Pattaya Reports

90-99% Indians behave like scavengers anywhere they go. Be it within India or abroad. I don't like the Indians coming to my place to visit either and of course people overcharge Indians because when you got to deal with people you don't want around you.

So stop your complaining and get on with it. Stop acting like cheap scavengers and maybe people wouldn't want to tell you to piss off all the time.

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]I'm brown with a beard (not Indian) and I don't recall experiencing any racism of this sort in Thailand. I smell good, I'm respectful and I like a good deal but I'm not cheap.

When it comes to dating and pay for play do Thai and Asian girls in general prefer white men over other races? Yes. It is what it is, deal with it. If one doesn't show you interest than move onto to the next. Ultimately, we're mongers, so a girl's preference in skin color shouldn't matter because you're paying for it. As long as you don't smell, are respectful and carry yourself well and are willing to pay a fair price, 90 plus percent of Thai working girls will have no problem getting smashed by you.

It's clear it wasn't a good trip for you.

I too have noticed creeping anti Indian sentiment worldwide as more Indians migrate and travel everywhere in the world. It used to be the yellow peril but now it's the brown peril. I think politically we are seen as easy targets, mostly due to cultural differences and experiences. Many brown mongers report no issues but often they are those who live in the west.

That said don't give up on Thailand. Thailand is generally speaking a pretty accepting country. Maybe the girls you picked have preconceived notions about indians but by carrying your grudges it'll only make it harder for you (what you feel becomes what you think, what you think becomes what you see).

Also don't expect a dot of sympathy here. This is an western board where the majority of vocal users are from USA Australia or Europe and they will only agree with the girls and provide generalisations of why Indians are the worst people in the world.

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]It's nothing to do with the bar owners. Non-westernized Indian mongers who travel behave like savages. They don't use deodorant and therefore stink. They also treat women, especially hookers, disrespectfully. Then they bargain to ridiculously low levels. Once in the room with the hooker, they try to renege on the deal, underpay her or are particular violent. Soon, all Indian mongers are judged the same by the girls.

Even in Australia, some hookers in brothels won't see Indian mongers. They treat the girls like shit. Choking, slapping, punching and wanting multiple shots on goal when they only have paid for one.

It will probably take a generation for these negative attitudes against Indians to settle.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762335]90-99% Indians behave like scavengers anywhere they go..[/QUOTE]Setting aside the treatment Indians get in Thailand, where did you get these numbers from?

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]If you are Indian and have the expectation for BBFS on your first encounter with a girl, I also believe you would be better off in some other place than Pattaya or Thailand in general (maybe somewhere in Indian subcontinent?) as the combination of your requirements really make your odds pretty slim. And I don't think that has anything to do with bar owners being or not being racist at all. I do not go bars though, so no personal experience on that, just an assesment on encounters with ladies outside of bars.

Over the years (goes way beyond 2015), walking past WS Indian clubs or riding thru southern part of 2nd road on way to / from home with a girl, I have had a habit of jokingly testing the girls' views about Indian customers. Out of all cases I can recall two cases where the answer was not downright negative. Last case was about a week ago (young girl from Insomnia said she's okay as long as they pay good and not smell bad), and the previous case was few years ago (a girl who had negative preconception of Indians, but in a club had met an Indian born and living in US that she said was 'polite, clean and not smelly', I. E a guy who ethnically was indian but culturally not. And ended up spending a week with him). I believe my sample size is good enough to make some decent generalisations about ladies working outside of Indian clubs or indian areas. Vast majority of girls who work in farang oriented areas are really not into Indians at all. Having said that, some sure do. However I would think for Indian mongers would be far better off targeting providers in Indian clubs or hanging in Indian areas (like the streetwalkers near Nova Platinum) as they clearly are looking for Indian customers. If you like beef steaks or blonde girls, you probably shouldn't go looking in India, rather go for place where you are likely to find what you looking after.

Can not comment on their inclination for BBFS though. But as generalisation would say that BBFS at first date is not a given for farang either, is minority at least for me. And we might be better off if they indeed would skip BBFS with the majority of Indian mongers in Pattaya.

Personally, I have nothing against Indians per se, but not difficult to understand the girls' point of view either. I have had quite a few Indian colleagues in the past and had no issues with them, however they have been mostly pretty westernised / educated. However I also lived in a condo building next to Indian embassy in Beijing, with quite some embassy staff living there as well. Every now and then, waiting for elevator in ground floor, some of those Indian people coming before the elevator arrived. I quietly left and waited around the corner until they got the elevator and took off, and took the next elevator as they simply smelled too bad to voluntarily share time in elevator cabin with them. Can only imagine that causing preconceptions among girls as well. Esp if you top it up with the reputation of expecting to share the time with 2-5 Indian guys with discounted service fee. Not to speak about BBFS.

After doing a bit of recording for my friend's Youtube channel and writing up this diary (which takes me about an hour each time, I should learn to be more concise) I decided to visit a soapy massage parlour.

As I was walking up soi Diana I had a fortuitous encounter with a street vendor. A couple of days I cut myself in two places using a cheap razor, so I won't be able to shave until the cuts have completely healed. So I've been on the hunt for an electric razor. I'd tried a few shops without success but as if by magic I saw a man selling them in front of one of the small beer bar complexes on soi Diana. I got him to demonstrate the razor (just to prove it works) and it looked a good one, with loads of attachments I'll never use. He asked for 850 but accepted 700 instantly.

I took a songthaew up 2nd Road and disembarked outside the garish exterior of Sabai Dee, my favourite massage parlour on previous visits. My heart sank when I walked in though. There were only ten girls sat on the pink seats and the quality was average. A waiter handed me a card which explained the pricing, from 2300 up to 3800 depending on which colour badge they were wearing.

Those in the lower price bracket were the type of older girls you might see selling food at the side of the street, albeit with pushup bras. It was only once the girls were wearing pink 3300 badges that my interest stirred. 69 and 84 were pretty but not worth such a high price. All of the girls waved and smiled when I looked in their direction as I was the only customer.

I was disappointed. I've been with some beautiful girls from soapies in the past (Annie from Cristins in Phuket the creme de la creme) but the quality at Sabai Dee has nosedived. The prices haven't though!

I paid my chit and went to Honey 2, next block along. It was 2. 30 pm when I walked in and it looked much more promising with about 25 girls. I sat on a couch directly in front of the fishbowl and slowly scanned around as a waiter explained the prices. If they were wearing a red badge they cost 2200, blue 2700, black (M) 3300, white (V) 3900 and yellow (S) 4600.

My favourite girls were wearing the black M badges. The more expensive girls were no prettier, they just had paler skin and expensive hair-dos.

I saw a girl I liked with blond hair and a pretty smile but instead of the rather formal process of informing the mamasan, I walked over to the pretty girl, knelt down on one knee and took her hand like I was proposing to her. It makes the girls laugh and my choice feel special.

I paid the hefty 3300 fee at the counter and she introduced herself as Nan as we took a lift up to the third floor. As ever, the room was split in half, the far end looking like a decent midrange hotel room with a large double bed and the near side containing a bath and a tiled section on which lay an inflatable mattress.

I enjoy the whole process of soapies. Firstly we got in a warm bath together and she washed me. It's always a good chance to chat while admiring the girl's body, that will soon be sliding all over yours. She had small tits, but big nipples.

We stepped out of the bath and she invited me to lie on the inflatable mattress, and then covered me with soap suds. Then followed the kind of experience every man should get to enjoy at least once in their life. She lay on top of me and massaged my body using her tits, bum and pussy. It was extremely pleasurable when she hooked one of her legs under my body, in to the scissor sisters position, favoured by lesbians the world over, and grinded her pussy against me.

Of course the best part of any soapy is when she says the magic words 'turn over' and repeats the process on your front.

After drying off we went on to the bed and she gave me a nice blowjob before we fucked. She rode me as I squeezed her big nipples, then fucked her from behind. From doggy I like to ease the girl to lie flat and get them to put their legs together. You're still fucking them from behind but you can really slap in to their soft arse cheeks. She rode me to a climax to round off an enjoyable session. The only negative is she was an unenthusiastic kisser.

3300 is expensive but I love the body-to-body experience too much to miss out. We exchanged Line details so I could meet her again for a fraction of the price if I wanted. Honey 2 is open from 10 am until 2 am and Nan told me she worked the 10 am - 6 pm shift. I would suggest arriving at 6 pm for the best selection of girls.

I ate a tasty spaghetti bolognese from the stall on the junction of soi Buakhao and soi Diana and soon it was time for another night out.

We took advantage of a 2-for-1 offer at Mayfairs on soi Buakhao, which was called Zero Bar seven months ago. Afterwards we went to Annie Jacks where I saw a familiar face, the lovely Lek, who I enjoyed chatting to on my last trip.

In Vixen I bought a drink for a lovely looking girl with a slender figure, who had a Chinese look about her. She had beautiful lips and a radiant smile, definite bar-fine material. Owen leaned across the table and told me that he was getting a boner just looking at her! After I got her Line details, the four of us marched on to Joy Bar, where the girls took great pleasure in pointing out to Bob that his T-shirt was on back to front.

We went to Blue Sky bar, followed by Area 52. The prettiest girl was stood nearby so I asked for her name and whether she'd like a drink. She told me she was already with a customer, an old Korean man who just sits there playing Connect 4 with the prettiest girls. He was the same man who I'd seen plying Nat with lady drinks seven months earlier at French Kiss. Still, I'd registered my interest and the pretty girl smiled to me several times when she passed.

Owen speaks Thai and gave me a phrase to say to a fun waitress he'd bought a drink for. After carefully repeating it, she screamed and pretended to slap me. Owen, fighting off tears of laughter told me I'd asked her 'do you like to eat sperm?

We went to at Lai next, which seven months ago was stocked with some pretty young girls, but not now. Opposite, are&see had four topless girls dancing on a stage and good old Bob got in to trouble for trying to take a photo of them.

I was lured in to Buzzin Bar by a pretty girl in school uniform and pigtails. I bought her a drink and she was a fun, flirty girl so I enquired about her bar-fine. It was only 300 but when I asked how much for her she said 'how much you give?' I don't like it when girls ask this question because you don't want to pay too much and you don't want to insult her by offering too little. I suggested 2000 for long-time which she agreed to.

But then another customer came in and bought her a lady-drink, so I was sat on my own. By this point Sam had left to find a girl from Oh Bar, Owen and Bob had drifted off and the time was 1. 20 am. I patiently waited for about 15 minutes and realised I was putting all of my eggs in one basket. If the other customer offered more (and of course it would be in her favour to play us off against each other) then I'd probably be looking for a girl after the bars have closed.

I put money in to my cup and when I stood up to leave she raced over, finally remembering I was there. 'Maybe I see you again' I said.

I backtracked to Booby Trap with the intention of bar-fining the pretty Lao girl and thankfully she was still there and without a customer. I bought her a drink and we had a nice chat before I enquired about her barfine. 'Cannot. My Auntie won't let me stay out after work hours' she typed in to the translation App on her phone. In other words she has a Thai boyfriend.

It was almost 2 am, closing time but I was determined to find a girl. I decided to dispense with pleasantries and get a sexy massage. The selection on soi Honey wasn't inspiring but I saw a pretty blond at a place on soi Pothole. Ten minutes later we'd both showered and she was massaging me with oil on a hard bed surrounded by curtains. She was a giggly girl with small pert breasts so I was pleased with my choice.

She began giving me a really good blowjob when suddenly all of the lights went off. She explained that it was a police check to ensure everywhere was closed. She resumed her business in the dark. It felt exciting to have such a highly illegal blowjob.

The sex was amazing, she loved to have her neck kissed when I was fucking her in mish and came to a loud climax when she was riding me. Sometimes girls pretend to climax for theatre but the way she bounced up and down, her moans getting progressively louder until she came loud enough to alert passing police officers, before slowly grinding her hips back and forth, gripping my dick in a vice-like clench in her pussy, softly groaning, before collapsing on top of me, giggling, suggested she wasn't acting. She returned the favour, sucking me to a bone-shuddering climax.

It cost just 1200 for the best sex of the trip so far.

The night had one amusing twist. It was 2. 40 am and I was walking back to my hotel. I turned off soi Lengkee in to an alleyway leading to my hotel when I saw a drunken figure approaching. I smiled to myself because it looked just like Bob. But when I got closer I realised it was Bob! He was lost and couldn't find his hotel. All he could remember was it had the word 'golden' in it. He was lucky he bumped in to me because I had an idea they were staying somewhere near soi Boomerang, so I walked him back to his hotel.

I'm from India, I live in India. I know how Indians whether in India or Indians born abroad or living abroad generally behave, think and act out. What can you expect when almost 80-90 % of the population from India is what we call here of lower caste origins. The remaining 19-10%also get influenced by the bad habits, behavior while living in a society with those people. It's just about 1-10% of the population of Indians ls which is roughly 10-100 million people (a huge number) which is refined and behave like human beings. Rest of them over 1.3 billion in India and abroad just are scavengers. Only way they know how to behave is when you smash them with a stick. Why do you think Indian police still carries centuries old sticks with them to control crowds in India LOL.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2762486]Setting aside the treatment Indians get in Thailand, where did you get these numbers from?[/QUOTE]

Asians in general are pretty racist in favor of white skin. Its not just against Indians or other brown skinned foreigners. Even within Thai society there is a clear hierarchy and preference for lighter skin. This is true in China, Philippines, India and every other country. Some of it is colonialism but also dark skin implied manual labor and farming and light skin implies wealth. So its not surprising that white people get better treatment. I don't think Indians are the only people with body odor. I have encountered countless fat white slobs wearing wife beaters and reeking of sweat and alcohol. Indians are not the only cheap charlies. There is a legion of low class white pensioners all over Thailand. I think no matter your skin tone, if you take a bit of effort to dress decently, throw on your cologne and be willing to spend a bit of money, you can have a great time in Thailand.

Great report Sir Lancelot. All but confirms that Honey2 does as close to nuru as you can get.

That said, if anyone knows any other standalone massage shop that does nuru with the hot oil and whatnot in Pattaya, please share. The only places I've found that are actual nuru are in Bangkok and not Pattaya.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2762416]I'm brown with a beard (not Indian) and I don't recall experiencing any racism of this sort in Thailand. I smell good, I'm respectful and I like a good deal but I'm not cheap.

When it comes to dating and pay for play do Thai and Asian girls in general prefer white men over other races? Yes. It is what it is, deal with it. If one doesn't show you interest than move onto to the next. Ultimately, we're mongers, so a girl's preference in skin color shouldn't matter because you're paying for it. As long as you don't smell, are respectful and carry yourself well and are willing to pay a fair price, 90 plus percent of Thai working girls will have no problem getting smashed by you.[/QUOTE]There's all types of racism floating around Pattaya, just got to ignore it. Indians are the current face of bad behavior towards girls, but historically your favorite Thai MILF has been screwed over heavily by a British or Aussie baby daddy that dropped them like a bad habit or used to pee on them or beat them. I've seen the girls treated bad by all types of guys whether it Indian, black, aus, british, chinese, or korean. I've seen mongers treat each other like shit, especially the Aussies towards blacks / africans. Nowadays they like to play the "reverse racism" card when the thai girls prefer to go with black guys because historically the black guys don't treat them as bad. ALL races of guys have the cheap charlie reputation amongst girls, so that's not even a factor.

Just find the girl that likes you and ignore all the rest of the nonsense.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2762320]I call bullshit. Thai people are kinda racist. Thats for sure. Most Thai don't like Indians. The way they smell, the amount they are willing to pay etc etc.

Of course this affects ALL Indians. Same goes for races or people from certain countries.

That some barowners are assholes? Yeah of course. The amount of alpha-males in Pattaya is skyhigh. Thats why everybody fucks for hours and many guys think they are the best thing since slides bread.

But blaming the white farang is kinda racist from you mate.[/QUOTE]LOL that last sentence is exactly what I just mentioned. Reverse racism victim mentality is hilarious to me. Thais generally have opinions about all races including white farang. But a the end of the day, whie farang has colonized and brutalized the majority of planet earth, so of course as with anything else, whoever is in charge will get blamed for anything that goes wrong.

this is one of the reasons I laugh at Indian guys complaining in Thailand because I've spent enough time in Kenya and India to see all of the brutally racist nonsense that Indians to to Africans and to each other in the Indian caste system. Listening them complain in Thailand is a joke.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762335]90-99% Indians behave like scavengers anywhere they go. Be it within India or abroad. I don't like the Indians coming to my place to visit either and of course people overcharge Indians because when you got to deal with people you don't want around you.

So stop your complaining and get on with it. Stop acting like cheap scavengers and maybe people wouldn't want to tell you to piss off all the time.[/QUOTE]I suspect that 90-99% is too high a percentage, it should be much lower. I know more about Indian women than the men. In India you can get the extremes. I have been with women where you will negotiate a price for agreed services before the deed and after you pay and are in the room and ready to get down to business (e.g. BJ, DATY) the girl would say something like "that is not allowed sir" - a total mood killer. On the other hand you can meet girls who can give the best GFE ever. India is a country of extremes.

I am not wrong with the 90-99% quote. 1-10 % of India's population means 10-100 million people that's a lot of people.

As for girls scamming / flaking or changing agreed terms that's the standard way of doing business in India. So always be prepared. They say yes to everything before to lock the deal but once the deal is locked then those 90-99 % indians start changing the terms or flaking on you or downright scam you.

Rest of 1. 3-1. 4 billion people of Indian origin in India or even abroad do live the way I described.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2762633]I suspect that 90-99% is too high a percentage, it should be much lower. I know more about Indian women than the men. In India you can get the extremes. I have been with women where you will negotiate a price for agreed services before the deed and after you pay and are in the room and ready to get down to business (e.g. BJ, DATY) the girl would say something like "that is not allowed sir" - a total mood killer. On the other hand you can meet girls who can give the best GFE ever. India is a country of extremes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2762181]After breakfast I went for a foot massage. I intended to go to a massage-with-extras place but didn't see any girls to my liking. The prettiest was Nico from Paradise who I fucked seven months ago.[/QUOTE]I saw Nico in March and again in September. Beautiful lady; I'm glad I got her Line. Much more fun in my room than that tiny massage stall.