FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[QUOTE=Jackyo]When the natives (read this to mean "non-tourists") start raving about this place, it will be time to return.

Hope springs eternal though. Why do you think we continue to read this thread?

Maybe one day this club will be stocked with proverbial "hookers with a heart of gold".

In the meanwhile, each person has to decide for himself what is best.

There are so many clubs and so little time and money to throw around.

I've taken the point of view that one should pick an "orbit" and stick with it. My orbit is NRW and it centers on certain small clubs which provide a sure thing, are a good value, where the women recognize me as a [i]Stammkunde[/i] (I'm not into impersonal experiences) and where the women speak German (My Polish consists of a few phrases and my Romanian and Bulgarian is non-existent).

I have no expectations that anyone else shares my view of the world.[/QUOTE]


Well, Jackyo, I ain't no native, aber ich bin oft im Club. In fact I've just returned from a several days journey through clubs both in Frankfurt and in NWR. I was at Palace two nights ago (Weds) and I can tell you I saw/experienced the best line-up of girls from any of the clubs I visited...the best BY FAR!!! I was at Oase, World, F39, Living Room and GoldenTime in addition to Palace. All clubs had pretty good selections given the time of year and current economy, etc. However, Palace on that Weds night stood out as one of the best collections of hot, ethnically diverse and ever so cute/sexy girls I've seen since the heyday of Atlantis. Yes, there was a huge Messe event on, and this obviously contributed to the better than average selection that night. But unlike last year when the place just became over-run and very bad mongering conditions, this time they seemed to get it right and it was not an unpleasant experience at all!

My advise to anybody Fkking in Frankfurt tonight: Head to Palace to check it out! There were girls from all over the FKK universe, not just Palace regulars!

I was really happy at both Oase and World, but when I stepped into Palace last Weds night, I was just blown away by the choice and quality there!

Now having said all that, let me add that I was also at Palace last Sunday night and it was terrible. So you have to take into account the ebb and flow from day to day in these clubs.

I tend to agree with Radler et al who believe that Palace is targeted by people as a club with just bad girls. Yes there are some extreme cases here, but as I and others have consistently maintained: You must select the right partner and take advantage of the opportunities to test the chemistry in Kino or on couch. I wish to add: If you scroll back a few days on the World thread, you will see a discussion of one of the top girls there charging a guy for time waiting for a room! The truth is that you can be ripped off in any club, just there are more reports about it at Palace and because it is easy to reach more newbies go there thus more sad cases of guys not knowing how to "pick the correct fruit from the trees."

Ortos

[QUOTE=Radler]I checked your 2008 reports and could not find any mention of these incidents. Care to help us out with names and details so we mongers that like the place can avoid the ladies in question?.[/QUOTE]

Sure, no problem:
- Sabrina, Venezuela/Colombia
- Daniela, Colombia (should not be confused with Daniela, Romania, who, at least in my eyes, has a good rep.).

Sorry for not reporting before, but they are both reported by others as scams in this very thread, so repeating it seems to me to be pretty abundant. But here goes:
Both rip-offs were very similar: Superfriendly outside the room, great DFK, but once in the room they insisted on charging EUR 100/150 per half hour for "good service" (which only included standard services). When I said I knew the pricing for standard services and wanted to pay the standard fee of EUR 50, they did everything to ruin my mood and cut the session short. Eventually I gave in after 15 and 25 mnts. respectively.

[QUOTE=Radler]Or is the point simply to bash Palace? To paraphrase one of our distinguished senior members, one has to wonder if some of the Palace bashers have a financial interest in competing clubs. Not that I believe that, but that's how crazy this whole discussion gets.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Yeah, I know these discussions get out of proportions and should have known better. But trust me, I tried only to give a balanced and honest response to Mahaba's questions - based on my own 2008 experiences. I am completely aware that one man's experience does not give the whole picture, but at least I shared my experience.

If you read my report again, you will find that I do not bash Palace. One major point for me was to illustrate in figures what the rip-off risk is (for me, an average Joe). I think this is relevant, as the genuine Palace basher will say that it is nearly impossible to get a decent session in Palace, while the Palace defender will say it is at least as good as any other place (if not better). My experience: 70- 75% of my sessions there were satisfactory (average to great). In previous years maybe 80- 85%. If your background is RLD business from Reeperbahn in Hamburg, these rates should be good news. If you firmly believe that FKK in a place like Palace is a risk-free environment, then think again. And in case you wonder, I am still a regular Palace visitor (although not as frequent as before). Why? Because it is so damn conveniently placed close to the Messe and a major international airport (FRA), and it still is the better alternative to the RLD when time is too short to go elsewhere.

Rip-offs can happen everywhere. But it just does not happen that often - to me - in Oase and World. I dont have the exact figures for my four years in Hessen, but let's say the chances of rip-off there is less than 5%. I am sure others have different experiences.

Again, I have only reported my own experience and the reader of this thread need to read more reports to get the whole picture.

I wish the bashing and anti-bashing will come to an end. What this thread needs is honest reports of what we experience at this place - without the hysteria.

[QUOTE=Dreams]You will have noticed that most of the most extreme Palace-bashers have not put feet in it in the last couple of years....[/QUOTE]

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Yes I have. I have two theories. The first is they are still trying to punish the club over the price increase from 65 E to 75 E. The second is that they need validation for their judgements from others.
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Time to head over to the Bernds thread and rekindle the Omas of Bernds flame war.

Or maybe I can ask about the photography policy at Villa Vertigo.

[QUOTE=Shark16]I wish the bashing and anti-bashing will come to an end. What this thread needs is honest reports of what we experience at this place - without the hysteria.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. More data on the ladies is in everyone's interest, or at least in the interest of those that actually go to the club. The endless Palace good/evil back and forth seems to be of interest only to those that don't go there.

I mean, really, if you want to know what any of the ISG members who regularly post think of Palace, do a search. It's there (at least five times over).

I think if this revives one more time I may have to do the "What does (fill in the blank) think of Palace" FAQ.

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I think and this is just me thinking - the girls are independent contractors and the management cannot ask them to perform since it would suggest some control (maybe even pimping) over the girls. The rate seems to be what the girls charge and if the guys are happy to pay extra €50 for kissing and performing 69 then that becomes the going rate asked of all punters. [/QUOTE]

For the record, I've never had a girl ask me for 50 Euro for kissing/GFE or any non-standard extra at Palace or any other club. I have had girls at both Palace and Oase ask for 100 Euro for CIM. I alway politely say I know the standard price and decline.

I'm not sure why this tactic is not used on me (I don't doubt the posters such as LBC which run into it). I think it is either the women I select or it is that I have been there enough and have repeated with enough women that I am considered a regular.

I've got to say that if you agree to non-standard pricing, I don't have much sympathy. You are free to say no (and encouraged to do so). Sometimes saying no snaps the girls back into line. And sometime it doesn't.

[QUOTE=Ortos]My advise to anybody Fkking in Frankfurt tonight: Head to Palace to check it out! There were girls from all over the FKK universe, not just Palace regulars![/QUOTE]
I will echo this point of view, by the way.

I would call myself a "native" and I do visit Palace regularly. Line-up this week was great cause of the "Heimtextil". Not to busy regarding men, but lots of great girls. Found Monika from Hungary (Ex-World, Arte, Paradise) now working there.

HB

[QUOTE=Mahaba]So, whats the story? Is the place more risky than other FKK's or not?[/QUOTE]Mahaba,

may I summarize? Yes. Riskier. Doesn't mean you'll not have a great time with what are considered by many - including me - to be the best looking girls in FKK-land.

1)
Those considered to be Palace-bashers have had bad experiences, and have reported their opinions, and generally given detailed reasons why they have come to these opinions. I belong to this group for my sins. I wish I didn't.
2)
Those considered to be Palace-basher-bashers have had good experiences and are clearly much better choosers than me, and they disagree. I accept that. Others can't, seemingly, and they are the Palace-basher-basher-bashers. This interestingly may make them simultaneously Palace-bashers and Palace-basher-basher-bashers, but the issue may in due course be open to more refinement. Watch this space.

Alles klar?

It's your call, so go there and join in the debate.

Hi,

I need some help. I have visited many FKKs but I have never visited World and Palace.

My questions:

Which one is better?

Are the girls totally naked in both clubs?

Can u get a BJ in the club before getting in the room?

Tks in advance for the tips!!

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]I would call myself a "native" and I do visit Palace regularly. Line-up this week was great cause of the "Heimtextil". Not to busy regarding men, but lots of great girls. Found Monika from Hungary (Ex-World, Arte, Paradise) now working there.

HB[/QUOTE]
Wassup HB,

Have you seen Mona? Missed her my last trip (early Dec).

[QUOTE=Radler]For the record, I've never had a girl ask me for 50 Euro for kissing/GFE or any non-standard extra at Palace or any other club. I have had girls at both Palace and Oase ask for 100 Euro for CIM. I alway politely say I know the standard price and decline.

I'm not sure why this tactic is not used on me (I don't doubt the posters such as LBC which run into it). I think it is either the women I select or it is that I have been there enough and have repeated with enough women that I am considered a regular.
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Czech Gina qouted the same prices when I did her last year. 50E for a regular session & 100E for a special session (kissing, daty, cuddling & etc.). She was an ok session, but a good sport fcuk. She is 1 hot babe & she seems to have plenty of customers.

A few women have also mentioned the 50E extra for kissing @ GT, Oase & World, but these were some seriously gorgeous babes. 50E extra for kissing is silly, but it did not stop me from having a good sport fcuk.

I think the reason this does not happen to you is because your taste in women is a little different from me & LBC. LBC & I generally lust after the same women, so this could be the reason why we sometimes experience the extra menu offer. Some of the women you sessioned with were not exactly my type. No knock on your desires, but there seems to be a remote chance of those women charging extra for kissing, daty & etc.

Your status as a regular could also be the case. Not quite sure what my FKK status is other than a guy who loves banging as many hot babes my legs & johnson can handle.

[QUOTE=Radler]
Or maybe I can ask about the photography policy at Villa Vertigo.[/QUOTE]
I know those guys that were involved & they most likely have more FKK cred than you & I combined. Great guys to hang & go FKK hoping with.

[quote=vito corleone]czech gina qouted the same prices when i did her last year. 50e for a regular session & 100e for a special session (kissing, daty, cuddling & etc.). she was an ok session, but a good sport fcuk. she is 1 hot babe & she seems to have plenty of customers.

a few women have also mentioned the 50e extra for kissing @ gt, oase & world, but these were some seriously gorgeous babes. 50e extra for kissing is silly, but it did not stop me from having a good sport fcuk.

i think the reason this does not happen to you is because your taste in women is a little different from me & lbc. lbc & i generally lust after the same women, so this could be the reason why we sometimes experience the extra menu offer. some of the women you sessioned with were not exactly my type. no knock on your desires, but there seems to be a remote chance of those women charging extra for kissing, daty & etc.

your status as a regular could also be the case. not quite sure what my fkk status is other than a guy who loves banging as many hot babes my legs & johnson can handle.[/quote]

i remember, about a year or so ago, the first time i laid eyes on gina from czech at palace. sure i was interested, though physically she had that "i am so hot aren't i" type of vibe around her. when she chatted me up for a session at the high bar --which is her mo-- she immediately started to pitch this 50e extra for gfe-type session. until this point we spoke in english. but when she mentioned that extra-for-kissing scampoint, i immediately switched to deutsch and said: "das ist kwatch!" and explained to her that i was not a newbie and had dozens of girls here who provided me with gfe sessions without the 50e surcharge. on all my subsequent visits to palace, she always smiled at me, but never, ever came back to chat me up again. i think she knew she was trying to pull something over on me, and knew i could see right through her. by the way, in recent times, she tends to hang out with other czech (or slovakian???) so-called top acts lina and angelina back by the whirlpool deck behind the bar. this trio are in my book all a bit sharky in their sessioning approach and i feel myself that i would never get the type of "semi-authentic" gfe i seek from any of these girls. (funny, i do get it from czech linda, though, big-time!)

vito speculates above that part of the reason he (along with lbc) gets hit for these extra bits by some girls whilst guys like radler and others do not is because of the type/category of girl they go after, i.e. optifucks types. well i tend to fall more into radler's girl type myself and am not necessarily an optifuck man. (however, vito, we do share some girl interests, like lena of sk at oase, for example). but there are other similar points between you and lbc that radler and others of us do not share: a)both you guys do not speak much german; b) both of you share broadly similar ethnic features to the eyes of many ee girls at least; c) both of you are probably spoken about in the girl-to-girl grapevine as "big spenders" and/or easy session targets. one of you is known to take certain girls for multi-hour sessions, etc.

these factors may all combine to make certain girls try this extra-for-kissing scam. this is pure speculation on my part, but it may make sense. i bet if you spoke german more fluently, than these girls might not try it on you. or am i out of order here...?

anyway, for fans of czech gina at palace, fwiw, i did not see her working at palace last week, but she sure was there before x-mas in early december.

ortos

[quote=ortos]i remember, about a year or so ago, the first time i laid eyes on gina from czech at palace. sure i was interested, though physically she had that "i am so hot aren't i" type of vibe around her. when she chatted me up for a session at the high bar --which is her mo-- she immediately started to pitch this 50e extra for gfe-type session. until this point we spoke in english. but when she mentioned that extra-for-kissing scampoint, i immediately switched to deutsch and said: "das ist kwatch!" and explained to her that i was not a newbie and had dozens of girls here who provided me with gfe sessions without the 50e surcharge. on all my subsequent visits to palace, she always smiled at me, but never, ever came back to chat me up again. i think she knew she was trying to pull something over on me, and knew i could see right through her. by the way, in recent times, she tends to hang out with other czech (or slovakian???) so-called top acts lina and angelina back by the whirlpool deck behind the bar. this trio are in my book all a bit sharky in their sessioning approach and i feel myself that i would never get the type of "semi-authentic" gfe i seek from any of these girls. (funny, i do get it from czech linda, though, big-time!)

vito speculates above that part of the reason he (along with lbc) gets hit for these extra bits by some girls whilst guys like radler and others do not is because of the type/category of girl they go after, i.e. optifucks types. well i tend to fall more into radler's girl type myself and am not necessarily an optifuck man. (however, vito, we do share some girl interests, like lena of sk at oase, for example). but there are other similar points between you and lbc that radler and others of us do not share: a)both you guys do not speak much german; b) both of you share broadly similar ethnic features to the eyes of many ee girls at least; c) both of you are probably spoken about in the girl-to-girl grapevine as "big spenders" and/or easy session targets. one of you is known to take certain girls for multi-hour sessions, etc.

these factors may all combine to make certain girls try this extra-for-kissing scam. this is pure speculation on my part, but it may make sense. i bet if you spoke german more fluently, than these girls might not try it on you. or am i out of order here...?

anyway, for fans of czech gina at palace, fwiw, i did not see her working at palace last week, but she sure was there before x-mas in early december.

ortos[/quote]

hey professor, my esteemed first guide to fkk world, long time no see. miss ya.

as i mentioned recently i was hit up for this surcharge by a famous palace migrant to fkkworld, the famous charlie had gone to world for the rich feeding grounds of the christmas party. in my case though, we spent a good fifteen minutes by the vip room alcove making out and heavy petting against the wall in front of the holiday throngs as we waited for a good room. then it was a very dirty (in more ways than one) full 30 minute pse with dfk so i didn't mind too much paying 100. when she asked for another 100 for another half hour with kissing, i said enough is enough, beatch.

usually when a girl asks me for 50 euro for the "special session" and i am hot for her, i don't miss a beat and say- you mean nice relaxed kissing, licking and sucking and fucking for 1 hour, right, we take our time? usually works out great- that half hungarian (or was it czech) -half something else tall brunette supermodel- what was her name?? was one of those and i got a great hour out of her, quite geil but still professional though.

also andra, the gorgeous christina aguilera doppelganger blonde romanian teen, famous for trying on bogus extras, on our first date, hit me in the room with kissing is extra. when i protested that she should have told me before we came inside and i said ok for for 1 hour, she acceded and turned into a super gfe which i repeated twice and will always remember fondly lol.

on the other hand, if its a girl i'm only marginally interested in or a fugly one, i just laugh and say ok, bye. my point is, girls who try on the special session extra routine shouldn't be rejected out of hand, sometime one can turn this around for a great outcome.

[QUOTE=Mikedee]Hi, I need some help. I have visited many FKKs but I have never visited World and Palace. My questions: Which one is better? Are the girls totally naked in both clubs? Can u get a BJ in the club before getting in the room? Tks in advance for the tips!![/QUOTE]

Guten Tag Mikedee,

Can I answer your question with a question myself? Which are the many FKKs that you have visited? This piece of information may help guide the response.

My suggestion is take two days and visit both World and Palace or if you are up for it and maybe a motor vehicle to hand visit both in the one day if you are short of time taking one club in the day time and the other club in the night time. Some ijsberen I know did World until 9pm then went to Oase afterwards the same night arriving around 9:40pm with 7.25 hours still to go before close time as Oase closes at 5am that weekend night. Palace closes at 4am and tends to have its girl complement stay to the end. World seems to start having ladies filtering out earlier in my experience. Can others correct me on whether all the night shift girls at World stay right to the end.

I am not sure what criteria that you are judging better by - quality of girls, variety of girls, facilities like saunas, steam rooms, kino, food, music quality? If you want the fuller variety of girls then try Palace and if its beauty quotient then from the recent reports from Januar 2009 it seems that Palace has the edge as well. I think World and Palace do decent enough food - anything is better than Oase food. I give Palace the edge on being more international style in its food line up and World for hearty Deutsch fayre.

The girls in Palace and World are meant to be totally naked but tend to wear a waist wrap or towel around themselves. Girls at Palace seems to be more inclined to have some lingerie or other accoutrement whereas at World the girls tend to be more naked with only a smaller number with the full on waist wrap/skirt or towel. Oase girls tend to be totally naked with a few in waist wraps or skirts.

Yes you can get a BJ in the main room area but this tends to be the kino if in Palace. There can be kissing at Palace in the main room as well. It is rare to see someone get a full on BBBJ in Palace but you do see it.

In World it is rarer to receive public action apart from kissing in my experience. I do not know why - World is so big with so many places to hide that it si quite conducive to public action - but it does not seem to be the done thing there. The kino is almost always empty - it is a rare thing to see action on the couches in World.

Oase is the place if you want full on action in the main area but even there most action is confined to the kino. At times the kino is standing room only as all the couches are full of copulating couples. The Golden Time sauna club kino in NRW can be like National Geographic with like couples on each couch and mattress getting it on when the all the rooms are busy. In Oase I have had action in the main lounge area, the relax area, the hallway and the whirlpool area.

My recommendation is to go to Oase except if its the food that you term as the criteria for better.

Keep cool,

Londonbasketcase