Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=*****man;1931567]I don't get the fascination with Thermae. If a large number of girls are not open to non-East Asians then surely it would be better if we all withdrew our custom entirely (as I did years ago) and take our custom to places that appreciate it. You're totally losing face in front of the Japanese / Korean guys and they're laughing at you. Where's your sense of pride and self-respect? There are plenty of other places to get freelancers just as good as those who accept you in Thermae without feeling you're picking up the dregs not good enough for a 'superior' racial group.[/QUOTE]I don't come to Thermae to impress some random Japanese guy but to get some nice lookign girls and fuck their brains out. And Thermae has some good ones on offer.

I am confident enough in my own else of self worth that I could give a fuck less what some Japanese or Korean guy thinks. And I know that in many other places it will be me that has the upper hand in terms of girl's preference of customer / hookup.

In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931573]In my experience, the better looking girls have always been on the left side, particularly they used to congregate around the jukebox. I think the reason for this is simple traffic flow. As mongers tend to enter the front entrance, they will usually be "guided" by staff to buy a drink at that side corner. Once drink in hand, the visitor traffic flow tends to be a clockwise circuit starting from the bar. So the "lineup" has always seemed start there on the left side. If I was looking for customer, that is where I would perch myself. The other spot the girls tend to congregate is around the back exit, where they hope to make contact with guys going out for toilet breaks. I find the girls with the least interest in farang guys to be in that vicinity, but that may be my impression. YMMV. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Yes its the unforgiving "L" starting from the lefts side and up against the back wall.

Still I have had receptive girls from there too and even took a girl that always hangs out along the back wall (and that is apparently one of the most popular girls there).

I'm still amazed all you guys liked my girl so much, even my buddy in Thailand for the first time. She's a bit standoffish with me as well in the club but when she gets comfortable with you she can be wonderful. Tits are harder than they were before. She may have gotten them redone.

Left wall in general the youngest and the back wall not much older. Right side of club and front older but still some younger gems in there. Middle section is a write off with the old ladies.

Thanks for the great times this past month, Uncle V. I'm sure the two of us have made it very memorable for our girls as well. It was certainly a blast!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931583]
In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.[/QUOTE]Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931577]Or it could work the other way. We have a new generation of generation of clients and new generation of girls. I think it would be interesting if a group of us farang started frequenting the bar, occupying the back tables the same way that the Japanese guys did 10 years ago. Buy a few drinks. Take a few girls out. Treat them fairly but firmly. If the girls saw farang as a more "known quantity", they would change their perceptions and actions sooner than you think. 15 years ago Thermae girls would tell me that they don't like to go with the Japanese guys. Why? Because of poor communication and "unknown factor". Now that has all changed and farang are the unknown. We could change that. Of course this would take some effort, some solidarity and some reasonable expectation, which unfortunately are traits that most farang do not broadly display. But I believe it could be done. Every retreat you make is a victory for your opponent. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]It's a nice idea but in reality it's not going to happen. There are some girls who dream of a western guy taking them back to their country or sponsoring them and these can be found in discos where Japanese guys would struggle to get a top girl. There are other girls who sees themselves for whatever reason as for East Asians only and they consider Thermae as the place to be. Give it to them. If you're looking for victory the best way to get it would be if Thermae closed down or had another relaunch which I think it would if farangs stopped visiting it. Asian guys don't seem to spend much on drinks and as there's no bar fine I can't see it would make much of a profit as an Asians only place.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931589]Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.[/QUOTE]Mongering is like golf, you need to play your game solo, even if you are in a group or in a tournament. If you are fretting about what the other players are saying, thinking or doing, it will only distract from your performance. So what does a Japanese think when EihTooms, Syzygies, Banana Boi, etc. Take out one of the same girls they might take out? Hmmm. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931589]If you're looking for victory the best way to get it would be if Thermae closed down or had another relaunch which I think it would if farangs stopped visiting it.[/QUOTE]I don't see it quite that way. Since EihTooms reported that Thermae was "back" some weeks ago, at least 3 other members have reported that they have "pulled and poked" solid talent from this venue. If farangs stopped visiting, I don't think that anybody would take any notice except to concentrate more on the remaining Asian clientele. Farangs just don't matter as much as they used to. Best to accept that fact and optimize from there. Just my view. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931596]Mongering is like golf, you need to play your game solo, even if you are in a group or in a tournament. If you are fretting about what the other players are saying, thinking or doing, it will only distract from your performance. So what does a Japanese think when EihTooms, Syzygies, Banana Boi, etc. Take out one of the same girls they might take out? Hmmm. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]They probably think it's hilarious that white men who have been rejected by the top girls are now scraping the bottom of the barrel with the leftovers.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931596]I don't see it quite that way. Since EihTooms reported that Thermae was "back" some weeks ago, at least 3 other members have reported that they have "pulled and poked" solid talent from this venue. If farangs stopped visiting, I don't think that anybody would take any notice except to concentrate more on the remaining Asian clientele. Farangs just don't matter as much as they used to. Best to accept that fact and optimize from there. Just my view. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Farangs are at least half the available customers in terms of people who are in the area and would consider going in if the set-up was right, so it doesn't make any business sense to antagonise half your potential customers. If they saw that farangs were staying away they'd do more to attract them. Personally, I see no reason to go in and humiliate myself by getting rejections and picking up the leftovers while there are so many better venues in the area. Better to help those venues grow than patronise a bar where you're treated as second class.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931589]Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.[/QUOTE]I find your Orientalist reading of the scene at Thermae pretty amusing.

I am pretty sure that the East Asian guys are, like the rest of us, primarily there to get laid.

If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirit".

And white guys are not the only one s getting rejected. I'v seen plenty of East Asian guys get rejected by the top girls too.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931613]I find your Orientalist reading of the scene at Thermae pretty amusing.

I am pretty sure that the East Asian guys are, like the rest of us, primarily there to get laid.

If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirit".

And white guys are not the only one s getting rejected. I'v seen plenty of East Asian guys get rejected by the top girls too.[/QUOTE]Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931616] No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.[/QUOTE]I never said they would.

And I don't think anyone is sitting in a corner getting off on watching me get rejected either.

In any case if they are and I want to indulge them by going to Thermae and picking up girls then that's my fucking business. Isn't it? Why are you so worried about it in the first place?

If you have some paranoia about Asians then it is best that you stay away.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931611]They probably think it's hilarious that white men who have been rejected by the top girls are now scraping the bottom of the barrel with the leftovers.

Farangs are at least half the available customers in terms of people who are in the area and would consider going in if the set-up was right, so it doesn't make any business sense to antagonise half your potential customers. If they saw that farangs were staying away they'd do more to attract them. Personally, I see no reason to go in and humiliate myself by getting rejections and picking up the leftovers while there are so many better venues in the area. Better to help those venues grow than patronise a bar where you're treated as second class.[/QUOTE]Thermae has not been worth it to me since the invasion of the East Asians after the closing of their "Thermae" on Petchaburi road. Before then it was actually a fun bar. Gals would grab your junk and ask to go with you, most were drinking and partying, and always gals dancing by the jukebox. Now it's boring with the dudes just running laps around the place with very little interaction. Of course again, back in the day every gal was happy with 1 K (25 USD) at the time. And service was pretty good. Pulled over 100 gals from there between 99 and 06. Bet I have pulled one or two in the last 10 years. My experience is that the best looking gals won't go with the white man. It's forbidden. If their friends or the East Asians see them going with the white man they are done. Had a friend here back in about '10, young good looking dude, who would take one of the better looking gals out of there on occasion. She would not be seen leaving with him and would meet him about 50 mrts up the street.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1931621]Thermae has not been worth it to me since the invasion of the East Asians after the closing of their "Thermae" on Petchaburi road. Before then it was actually a fun bar. Gals would grab your junk and ask to go with you, most were drinking and partying, and always gals dancing by the jukebox. Now it's boring with the dudes just running laps around the place with very little interaction. Of course again, back in the day every gal was happy with 1 K (25 USD) at the time. And service was pretty good.[/QUOTE]I have to admit it does get pretty boring. Not a lot of interaction with the girls before you leave with them.

[QUOTE=*****man;1931616]Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. If your at place that makes you have low confidence level, just go somewhere else. For all of us it's just one of venue.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931613]If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirIt.[/QUOTE]Bushido? Samarai kamikazi? Don't know about that, but most of the Japanese there look like Toyota assembly line workers to me. Yukki. You actually have the delusion that shooting Thermae fish in a barrel takes some kind daring courage balls?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931583]I don't come to Thermae to impress some random Japanese guy but to get some nice lookign girls and fuck their brains out. And Thermae has some good ones on offer.

I am confident enough in my own else of self worth that I could give a fuck less what some Japanese or Korean guy thinks. And I know that in many other places it will be me that has the upper hand in terms of girl's preference of customer / hookup.

In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.[/QUOTE]I am with you on this, UV. Who gives a damn about a Japanese or Korean dude. They don't like us and don't want us to fuck their girls anyway. Thermae has definitely eye candy on offer, and I was at times successful in picking up some of that eye candy, at a resonable cost. The rest does not matter, like pride and self respect. These words tend to be abused and it becomes just bull crap.