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[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932109]There is no scam there.[/QUOTE]You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.

Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "

Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.

Scam or no scam?

Analogies are the device of weak minds, when it comes to proving something. For proof, they do nothing, they merely illustrate how you feel about a situation.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932126]So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?

If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.[/QUOTE]I signalled I would buy her a drink before any conversation started at all. I liked her fun playful dance style. I wanted to chat to her. I had no intention to BF her.

Girls do not start a conversation with "Hello, I'm not available for fucking". Never ever happened. If you start a conversation, and later suggest to order a drink for her, a percentage will warn you they are not available for sex, or already have a customer booking, but not all. Its probably well under 50% in any bar.

No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.

It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).

Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.

If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.

Banana Boi clearly got burned though. I wasn't exactly watching, but he indicated the girl downed the drink in two gulps and pissed off rapidly when he didn't want to buy another one immediately. Also he had the girl who did not say a word. Possibly did not speak English. My girl stayed with me. She did not even go dance on her rotation, since she said there were enough girls on the stage. I liked her. She seemed honest enough girl to me. I did not detect any bullshit.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932133]You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.

Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "

Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.

Scam or no scam?[/QUOTE]You do make some valid points but at the end of the day these bars don't guarantee or advertise that all their ladies do full service but thanks for coming out mate.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932157]No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.

It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).

Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.

If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.[/QUOTE]Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up. And on both of those counts, they would likely be 90%+ correct. It is the rare tourist that I meet who even knows there is such a thing as a "Coyote", but they all know you go to Nana Plaza go-go bars to take women out for sex.

My restaurant analogy was quite appropriate and fitting. Such a place would not just be innocently trying to provide a worthwhile service or product and, hey, it's on you if you misunderstood or jumped to a silly conclusion. Nonsense. They would be trying to "Take customers for a ride", which is a scam. And that is what Twisters is up to.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932165]Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up.[/QUOTE]A good number of girls are available. I don't know the exact percentage. Yes a guy could be unlucky and pick the wrong one. This applies to several bars in Nana Plaza. In an ordinary bar with no Coyotes you can still get the wrong girl who won't go for sex for one reason or another. Plenty of hot girls have a pre booking.

I remember buying a drink for Kratae in Crazy House (who looks like Rihanna) and she told me soon enough she would rather go out to a disco. I don't know if she was old enough or not for sex. She soon pissed off to some other customer. She was not a good choice clearly. Luckily did not waste a BF. One drink yes.

As far as I know, none of the girls in the "Arab's" bars are officially available for sex. Not everyone knows this. However you can be done for breaking the law even if you don't know the law. Ignorance is not bliss. Guys really need to find out what is going on.

First thing I do when entering Twisters is to try to find out all the things that are going on there as far as possible in the first visit. More to come in 2nd visit.

How does the newbie tourist know what goes on in these bars. By reading the internet? It should be explaining Coyote girls, surely. If I was a newbie in the bar with my experienced buddy, I am sure I would be asking him if all these girls can be fucked.

My very first bar was in Cowboy and called "Midnite Upstairs" (on the 2nd level) or something like that, 25 years ago and fortunately I was with a buddy who explained everything. He was a relative of the Farang bar manager. I forget the BF price, but first girl for the night cost 500 baht. Another night got one for only 400 baht and was hard to get to her leave my Hotel. She just wanted to stay.

The buddy also showed me the Thermae Coffee shop, the Grace Coffee shop and Massage places attached to each, and Pat Pong bars. Nana Plaza had not really got going yet in those days, if it had started at all.

I went on a whirlwind tour of southern Thailand with some Thai non P4 P friends that I had met in Thai Restaurants in the homeland. The pace was too much, so I soon split with them to have time to see Phuket properly.

My PI flight is delayed and sitting here reading these great post by S. The info in post#s 36490 & 36497 are so full of great insight I had to say thank you. I will save this because there is so much to remember. Thanks much! Flight is finally ready.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932126]So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?

If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932343]Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.[/QUOTE]I have said that one or two non-barfineables (as a matter of policy, that is, not because of their period, sickness, or even flat-out dislike of the customer) out of a couple of dozen girls might be ok vs what seemed like 1/3 of the girls on stage at Twisters and certainly most of the better looking ones. However, even that is a scam. It's just a scam on a somewhat smaller scale. And if it goes well, no reason not to expect the scam to grow to Twister proportions.

The "They are not slaves!" defense of this scam takes the defense of Bangkok go-go bars scamming customers to a particularly high level. Of course, they are not slaves. I have never been in a Thai go-go bar (or a BJ bar or an MP or a beer bar, etc. , for that matter) since the first one I entered back in the 1990's where every girl or even any girl had to do whatever was asked of her by any customer. Even in the odd case where a customer might insist on taking a girl from whom he has gotten absolutely zero interest in being taken, they have all had the option of saying they're on their period, they don't feel well, they've got another customer coming any minute now, whatever. And if there are publicly accessible venues with P4 P girls anywhere in Thailand that require their girls to engage in BBAnal, BBBJ CIM, BBBJ CIM+Swallow and BBFS for any man who requests it because they are "sex slaves" who must obey every demand, I have yet to hear of it or witness it.

The individual power and right for the girl to say yes or no to anyone or for anything isn't what we're talking about with the Coyote scam in places like Twister in Nana Plaza and so many places on Soi Cowboy. That has always been the case anywhere I have been in Thailand or any other country I've visited. We're talking about a built-in scam as a matter of establishment policy and business model.

Back to my restaurant analogy where the waitress brought the customer a beautiful photo of food after he'd already purchased an exceptionally expensive drink to accompany his meal because, well, after all, that is what he pointed to in the menu so no harm intended for the customer by this fair and reasonable establishment, uh-huh; if the waitress had then excused and defended the scam by saying, "Sir, we are not slaves here. There is no law requiring us to sell you real food in this place," I suppose the scammed customer would at least have a huge laugh out of the scam to go along with his exceptionally expensive drink and beautiful photo of food. Lolol.

[QUOTE=Socker;1932298]My PI flight is delayed and sitting here reading these great post by S. The info in post#s 36490 & 36497 are so full of great insight I had to say thank you. I will save this because there is so much to remember. Thanks much! Flight is finally ready.[/QUOTE]Posts #36490 and #36497? Hmm. But the most recent post prior to this one is #35635. Are you talking about another thread or did I miss something?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931284]We then moved on to ... Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?

Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.

One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.

Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.

There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.

For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.

It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet.

After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.

Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]You certainly peaked my interest with this report Syzygies and I am looking forward to hearing about your return visit.

When I last went to this location, the 2nd floor at Nana, in late April, things were not looking good. 4 Bar or something like it, ie the reincarnated RB4 was in the former corner location where Fairy Bar and before it Candyland had occupied space. I walked in and it was like a ghost town with only 3 other customers and maybe 15 girls albeit 3 of those girls were very attractive. I bought a drink and chatted with one of the cuties, but since I had just come from the Lord, I knew it was just a get acquainted conversation. After I said goodbye I took a sneak peek inside the former RB4 location and there was nobody inside. A Ladyboy at the entrance tried to coax me inside, but I lied and told her I would come back later when they had more customers. Ha Ha. This was 2 or 3 days before my departure and I had no free time left in my schedule or I would have gone back to the 4 Bar (the corner reincarnated RB4 Go Go) that had the 3 hotties.

So from what I saw in late April to your up to date description the other night, there has been some marked improvement. I would go to Twisters to check it out for myself tonight if I were in BKK. 555. Not that I am a fan of all Coyote / Agency bars, but I do like quality. Some bars have "coyotes" in name only and their "coyotes" look no different to me or better than regular girls. The bars just charge more for them. That is real BS as far as I am concerned and I do not give these bars my commerce. But if a bar really has the higher quality like "What's Up" bar in Pattaya, then I am going to check it out to see if the girls want to show me a good time. I hope Twisters is the latter type bar.

Now if a Go Go girl I find attractive gives me a smile I will invite her over for a drink or two and if I like her and we seem to be getting along real good, I will pop the barfine question or maybe postpone it for our next meeting in her bar. In my experience, Go Go girls who are interested and free to barfine will give me the smile or the look most of the time although once in a while there is the shy girl. Girls that are not interested or unavailable for barfine tend to give me the "you are invisible look. " I remember one of my favorite CH girls gave me the "invisible look" the first time I saw her dancing on stage, but that was because, as I found out 10 minutes later, she already had a customer who was coincidentally sitting right next to me with a shot of Tequila waiting for her to return to his side. At the time it appeared that she hadn't even noticed me, but a couple nights later when I returned to CH and she was free, she bounced right off the stage onto my lap naked to say Hi, clearly remembering me from the previous night. Go Go girls see all!

Anyway, If Twisters has the quality GIRLS, I will be there and I won't mind spending some Bhat on a couple lady drinks per girl to find out exactly what the story is. If, however, as has been reported here on the forum by other BM's, that it is the management's policy that it's Coyote girls do not barfine, then I will find that out in two or 3 nights and will end all future commerce with the bar.

This all reminds me of the night I walked into What's Up, the original Coyote bar in Pattaya, and saw the Princess dancing on stage for the first time. I instantly knew I wanted her and did not bother even looking around to see if there were any other girls, there were, who might also turn me on with their looks. The princess smiled at me and I invited her over for a drink. The rest is history yada, yada, yada. The year was 2012 and she became my favorite girl through my next 2 trips to LOS. We even got together in BKK a few times when she came up to see her daughter who lived with her mother here. Then I lost track of her for 3 years until we ran into each other again in Sapphire Go Go last fall. She told me she had been "engaged" to a British guy and he took her to Manchester or some place in GB.

Any way I mention her now because she was an Agency girl alright and her barfine was incredibly high for back then and it is still high by today's standards as well ie. 2000 before midnight and 1000 after. But she was a great girl. I can still recall being stunned by the barfine prices she quoted me that first night, but I was prepared to shell out 2000 to get her. I didn't care. She was one of the hottest girls I ever saw in a Go Go. It was around 10 pm and I began to reach down into my pockets for the cash, but she told me to hold off and wait until midnight saying 2000 was too much and I should not pay it. So we talked and held hands, drank a little and I watched her periodically dance on the stage until around 11:45 when she finally got the all clear to leave early with me. After that night we made prearranged dates when I wanted to see her and she would wait for me to show up around 11:30, buy her one drink, and then we would leave. We also used to have afternoon get togethers for lunch, bowling (yeah seriously), a movie, shopping (she always wanted something ha ha) and boom boom. At night I gave her 3000. In the afternoon I always bought her a "present".

So the question is: are the Twister girls actual coyote / agency quality or is that just a tag the bar stuck on them and do these girls want to party (shag). If the answer to either of these two questions is no, then count me out. I won't go to this bar more than the first couple of times to find out. But if the answer is yes to both questions, then count me in. Life is too short to quibble about money.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. " George Best.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1932343]Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.[/QUOTE]The line between being scammed and simply not being aware of how things work can be blurred but buying drinks for girls in a bar does not mean she will automatically leave with you. Should a customer be told this in advance, yes, should he check it out before buying drinks yes, if he doesn't goes ahead buys drinks and then finds out she won't go with him is it a scam, in my opinion no. The onus is on him to know the score.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931284]Today I was in Survey mode. Firstly in Thermae with Banana Boi.

I had to admit to finding about five or seven girls that were quite doable (meaning pretty for me). Would have been difficult to decide which one. Of course I don't know which of them would have accepted me.

Rat my previous girl from Thermae was there. She still looked mighty cute to me. However knowing she does not kiss at all, that is a stumbling block. She still makes it into the top half dozen for looks (my taste). Banana Boi did not take a girl either. His friend did.

We then moved on to Nana Plaza. Mackin had recommended to me Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?

Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.

The level of Saiyagum (Surgeries) was low enough. Not that many nose jobs and silicones. Again I would have great difficulty choosing a girl. Several very hot looking girls for my taste. Some even had big naturals, unfortunately covered.

One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.

Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.

There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.

For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.

It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet. Perhaps Banana Boi asked some girls how much? I don't know. Some girls might be worth 3 K or so due to being stunning, but there were also plenty of more average girls that would not be worth large numbers.

Clearly I will return another day to see if a very pretty girl can be obtained for a good price and give a good GFE. Otherwise my cute Billboard girl with fab GFE for a reasonable price may win out.

I can even go out to the Nana Carpark and get a very nice girl for 1500. Today met Aor in carpark, and noted to try her another day. Very cute for me. Not a 9 by any means but still looking nice. Maybe a 7 would be more realistic. Word has spread in nana Carpark, already by girls I took previously, that I am a nice guy and girls should like me.

After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.

Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]Good intel provided which now refutes the claim by another poster this bar is a scam. Scam scam scam, these guys who are scam scared call everthing a scam in life if it does not go there way. Great report my man.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1932382]Good intel provided which now refutes the claim by another poster this bar is a scam. Scam scam scam, these guys who are scam scared call everthing a scam in life if it does not go there way. Great report my man.[/QUOTE]Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and it is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts. Maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea. But when I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twisters' stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones.

Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "

And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1932387]Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts, maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. When I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twister's stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea.

Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "

And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.[/QUOTE]And in a few years when all the gals are making enough in salary and lady drinks (and perhaps at some point lap dances) to pay their bills, all these dudes will complain that there are no gals to be bar fined anymore. That day is coming. And sooner than most guys think.