Montreal

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2333994]There are two types of Indies.

I noticed Dasha was spending time in Toronto. Surprise, surprise, Dasha has the same flaky, undependable reputation there.[/QUOTE]There is always a third type, the desperate, non service-oriented, quick cash upsell ones.

All of the shilling and mod cleanup can only do so much for her reputation on that green board so she went and tried to clean up her image and reinvent herself in Toronto. Her ads crack me up with mentions of sophistication, no drugs and wanting respect and dignity yet she's expanded her extras to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url] and filming. I met her over a year ago but that's like a 180 on who I saw and her face and body has shown the wear and tear since then.

[QUOTE=TNewton;2333858]Their excuses were they were tired from a long day or personal issues at home etc. "I really need the money. " I am starting to think that maybe Indys spread their appointments out more so that they are not too tired. [/QUOTE]Most of them have issues and still need the money even after working for years. They either have no other options in life, never found a committed sugar daddy to keep the same life style, or spent most of it on shiny objects. You can't exactly go white collar without a college degree or do better than an assistant if you have no actual job experience. Indys charge 350+/ HR on average where as the agency girls take home 140-160/ HR on average. Even if you account for the indy's expenses the indy still makes at least 2 x more per hour. The indy doesn't need to see as many men plus if she's a successful indy her life is probably more together than your average 20 year old.

[QUOTE=TNewton;2333858]This is an interesting discussion of Indys vs. Agency. Over the last year in Montreal, I have a few disappointing meetings with Agency girls who just didn't seem to be in the mood. Their excuses were they were tired from a long day or personal issues at home etc. When I asked them why they didn't just take the day off, the answer was always the same -"I really need the money. " I am starting to think that maybe Indys spread their appointments out more so that they are not too tired. Maybe because they are running their own business they are more committed to it?[/QUOTE]I think that all of us (guys and girls) can have a bad day. Can you imagine having to be at your best for 3- 4 appointments a day, 4-5 days a week?

I too think that Indies may spread their appointments out a bit better or take fewer appointments overall. However, there is no guarantee of this. Some like Gabrielle and Maria Star will hire people to take their calls. Some, like Isabella Desrosiers used manage her own calls and she used to take several appointments a day. I think the vision of an Indy only seeing one or two guys a day is mostly a myth.

I also remember an agency owner telling me that one of his girls insisted on X appointments a day and he tried to talk her out of it but she was saving up to take some time off in Europe. What he said was "those had to be terrible appointments. " he tried to talk her out of it but she insisted and what are you going to do?

I like agencies because I've had better luck with agencies keeping their promises to me. You have two heads thinking for you instead of 1 and if something happens, agencies have options. Also, most of the time, agencies cost less and you can see 2 or even 3 agency girls for the price of one Indy.

[QUOTE=Hacsek;2334039]I have always thought of agency girls as being one of many on a production line, probably the wrong way of looking at it totally..[/QUOTE]Don't dismiss agency girls so quickly. As a matter of fact your favourite Indy spent several years at an agency, honing her people skills. Some of the best Indies today are former agency girls (SP's or MP's). The famous Maria Star who has worked both in agencies and as an Indy, started out as a stripper.

You can find coal and you can find diamonds among Indies as well as Agencies.

BTW I've never found an Indy who was worst on a subsequent date than on a first date. They are very protective of their reputation.

I have found a few agency girls, just a few mind you, who felt that they've figured me out and cut back on their service level on repeat dates.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2334063]
I too think that Indies may spread their appointments out a bit better or take fewer appointments overall. However, there is no guarantee of this. Some like Gabrielle and Maria Star will hire people to take their calls..[/QUOTE]Just to set the record straight, I've heard from a very reliable source that Gabrielle Garnier does her own booking. When I saw her circa 2016 she did have someone who helped with bookings but the last few years she has handled her own bookings.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2334153]Just to set the record straight, I've heard from a very reliable source that Gabrielle Garnier does her own booking. When I saw her circa 2016 she did have someone who helped with bookings but the last few years she has handled her own bookings.[/QUOTE]Hungry you are right, Gabrielle does it all on her own for a long time now.

I see her often and talk to her even more, that lady has communication down to a science, I have never waited for her more than an hour or two to respond whether by email or text, she does not take phone calls, and on the day of the meet it is within minutes.

She did have someone help her and Jezabelle around the time you mentioned, they were I think using the same person and incall if I remember right he was called Phil.

Now she is completely Indy has her own stylish incall and manages it all.

[QUOTE=TNewton;2333858]This is an interesting discussion of Indys vs. Agency. Over the last year in Montreal, I have a few disappointing meetings with Agency girls who just didn't seem to be in the mood. Their excuses were they were tired from a long day or personal issues at home etc. When I asked them why they didn't just take the day off, the answer was always the same -"I really need the money. " I am starting to think that maybe Indys spread their appointments out more so that they are not too tired. Maybe because they are running their own business they are more committed to it?

(Not that I want to be accused of being a shill. LOL).[/QUOTE]I prefer indies by far!

1. They are a bit older and more mature. Less likely to cancel! I had 3 cancellations on the same day with an agency. You can get pissed, but really it's life. I would like to think I was a 20 yo some time ago and would cut out on work to hit the beach or go out on a Friday night!

2. With indy girls you can contact them directly and ask "this is my schedule, can you meet up", it's either a yes or a no answer, your not waiting around to see if the chic you want gets posted on the roster the day your available and passing up other potential great sessions.

The best is to get numbers from agency chics, even better. Cuts out all the uncertainty.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2334153]Just to set the record straight, I've heard from a very reliable source that Gabrielle Garnier does her own booking. When I saw her circa 2016 she did have someone who helped with bookings but the last few years she has handled her own bookings.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there's lots of great scheduling software out there.

Will be going to Montreal for 3 nights in September.

Use XO, Euphoria, and VOG.

Can I get any must see girls from these agencies?

I will post a short list of the girls I like later in the week but.

A must do list would really help.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=CloudSurf;2334112]Don't dismiss agency girls so quickly. As a matter of fact your favourite Indy spent several years at an agency, honing her people skills. Some of the best Indies today are former agency girls (SP's or MP's). The famous Maria Star who has worked both in agencies and as an Indy, started out as a stripper..[/QUOTE]Like I said I am probably wrong, but for now I like the personal contact and communication with the lady you are going to see.

I am not fond of middlemen.

As far as my ATF, I know her history quite well and her skills even better.

I do think however that indies are more mature and know the value of keeping a repeat customer happy.

If they don't develop these skills they won't last long and will be back at an agency LOL.

[QUOTE=Monger718;2334434]Will be going to Montreal for 3 nights in September.

Use XO, Euphoria, and VOG.

Can I get any must see girls from these agencies?

I will post a short list of the girls I like later in the week but.

A must do list would really help.

Thank you!.[/QUOTE]Between now and Sept. There will be changes at the agencies. So you may want to hold off on a list for a few more weeks.

In the meantime read up on reviews and see what you like.

For us to help we would need some more detail on your preferences. Body type, hair, type of service. Whatever info you can supply on what you are looking for.

[QUOTE=Monger718;2334434]Will be going to Montreal for 3 nights in September.

Use XO, Euphoria, and VOG.

Can I get any must see girls from these agencies?

I will post a short list of the girls I like later in the week but.

A must do list would really help.

Thank you![/QUOTE]Bro,

I think we have yet to receive s trip report from your last trip when you went?

Got another chance to be in Montreal.

Since BP is gone I only know agency, but the one I know is no longer in service (Girls4 U / MTLGFE). But I found Euphoria, VOG, MTL Love, etc. Tried to make appointments and finally got one with Katia. Wow. I am happy I picked her. Late 20's, bolt ONS, slim waist, cute face. GFE, asked me to shower first then we chat on the bed, with occasional kissing, and continue until we had nothing to wear. BBBJ, DATY, LFK, CG, Mish, and finish with K9. Very good personality, we click when talking. Total session went over 1 HR, hard to let go. She has tattoo, she smoke too. But not heavy smell.

The next one I meet Ruby. By surprise the real person is prettier than the picture. Her face looks familiar, white skin with tattoo, red head. She open the door in black underwear with make up on. Stunning looks. I didn't get the feeling as close with Katia, but Ruby is really pretty. She has some rule, no greek, no fingers, she asked me if I have rules, of course not. So I head to shower first while she waited on the bed. Wrapped myself in towel then approach the bed to kiss and chat a little. She wanted me to loose the towel and begin BBBJ. Maybe about 10 minutes doing awesome job then asked me if I am ready. I said I wanted DATY first and she smiled and lay on her back. Once I had enough I asked her to start CG. At some point I hold her up and pound her fast and hard. Then finally I asked her to lay on her back and I finished with mish. Overall, I have better connection with Katia but also not disappointed with Ruby. Good experience so far with Euphoria.

I used to find # to get Asian massage+FS in one of those apartments at BP, the one close to ALT Hotel. Where the girls washed me up first then massage and finish with FS. Is this service still around? Anyone has contact info?

One more thing, do you recommend MAE88? This is escort service only or with massage?

[QUOTE=Hacsek;2334478]I am not fond of middlemen..[/QUOTE]I'm not fond of some middlemen while others are helpful to their clients and try to protect their employees.

There are 2 types of middlemen. The bad type I'll call pimps. Their agencies are run by gangs and gangsters. They treat their girls bad. Abuse them, threaten them, sleep with them for free, steal their money and fine them for the most minor infractions, blackmail them when they try to leave. Their employees are treated like slaves. Luckily most of these agencies don't last long and eventually implode.

The good agencies, and there are about a half a dozen advertising on the green board, treat their girls relatively well. They are helpful to their clients by giving honest advice. The majority of escorts would never be able to manage the complexities of being an Indy. So these agencies serve an important service by removing the stress and loss of productive time and expenses from their ultimate job function.

[QUOTE=ChubzyMaximus;2334591]Bro,

I think we have yet to receive s trip report from your last trip when you went?[/QUOTE]Had really bad personal issues. I'll write them up this week I promise. Finally have better days and time. Very sorry for the delay.