Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2724282]I concur with Elvis.

What my hypothesis is that some women are not asking for the money is that they are playing the long game. They are either physically attracted or find that we could be a suitable partner long or short term that can provide the physical / emotional and lifestyle they want.

I have no issue with those that want the money also. Because, I want the sex.

I'm 48, look about 35 and really have the lifestyle that they see on Instagram / tik tok. The 20 yo I'm fucking from Montreal has told me that I'm such a "flex" and her friends all commented when we met them at bar that my "BDE".

Was dripping on floor. I had no idea what that meant but had to google it when she left.

So even though SA is not a dating website, many women still want a secure, well spoken, real man.

From 2017 -2020 I was fucking 2 girls, one from Globe Club and the other from Aphrodesia for free while they were still working there. Actually, they both are still working, except now both are at Aphrodesia, LOL. There was no long courtship, just one night on one of my trips and exchanged numbers. They would fly to wherever I was in Europe, one even came to NYC. I would reimburse their flight and paid for all of our dinners etc. But, no other payments, I bought them birthday gifts and Christmas etc but no allowance, PPM etc. These were professional WGs at 2 of the most famous sex clubs in the world.

Ended up paying for an abortion, but that's a different story on what not to do, LOL.[/QUOTE]Haha. BDE. I think us old guys just call it charisma. And it sounds like you have that in spades (haha another old guy reference!) plus maybe some looks or youth to go with. But yeah def charisma / BDE is 90% of winning in the Sugar game.

P.S. Hope folks don't need to look up DNFTT but that seems pretty relevant in this thread at the moment! Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2724196]How is this even a question? Based on your criteria, then everyone here on this forum is a sex addict.

A few years ago, I had sex with seven women over a span of 12 hours in Germany, not including the countless sessions prior during my week long trip. No one would say that I am a sex addict and I surely don't need help on this.

If anything, I would need help to get me back to form so that I can bang that many women again in a single day.[/QUOTE]Please read:

[URL]https://www.verywellmind.com/treatment-options-for-sex-addiction-5210412[/URL]#citation-2.

You are / may be a sex addict if you are:

Spending an excessive amount of time-consuming pornographic content or masturbating.

Paying for sex.

Cheating on partners.

Habitually visiting strip clubs.

Some of the most common indicators that you might have sex addiction include:

Being unable to stop yourself from engaging in certain sexual behaviors.

Becoming distressed when you are prevented from engaging in sexual activities and behaviors.

Neglecting essential aspects of your life, such as work and personal relationships, to engage in sexual activities and behaviors.

Engaging in risky sexual activities like having sex in public.

Continuing to engage in risky sexual behavior at the expense of your physical and mental health.

Masturbating compulsively and frequently.

The most common course of treatment for mental health conditions like sex addiction involves psychotherapy and medication. Do you need help?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2724196]How is this even a question? Based on your criteria, then everyone here on this forum is a sex addict.

A few years ago, I had sex with seven women over a span of 12 hours in Germany, not including the countless sessions prior during my week long trip. No one would say that I am a sex addict and I surely don't need help on this.

If anything, I would need help to get me back to form so that I can bang that many women again in a single day.[/QUOTE]Who Is a Sex Addict?

Although sex addicts may act out sexually in many different ways, there are common elements that seem to characterize our addiction:

Powerlessness over addictive sexual behavior.

Resulting unmanageability of his / her life.

Feelings of shame, pain, and self-loathing.

Failed promises and attempts to stop acting out.

Preoccupation with sex leading to ritual.

Progressive worsening of negative consequences.

[URL]https://saa-recovery.org/am-i-a-sex-addict/[/URL] Find a meeting! You may need help!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2724290]I have lost count, but I have been on a major hot streak in the CDMX. I did get stood up Saturday night, at my favorite restaurant by one of my regular girls. Kind of sucked, I was the only person by myself at the restaurant, but I still had fun with the staff and I was busy texting new girls. I left a big tip, too make up for taking a table, everybody was happy.

I wax back Sunday with a new girl. Another great weekend, CDMX keeps exceeding my expectations.[/QUOTE]Not everyone's jam but since we are doing show and tell on tips:

I actually keep a password-protected document on my computer. It logs.

- who I am in contact with.

- pictures of them (since they often come down and up).

- their contact info (since sometimes girls leave SA).

- what offer I made them (since sometimes I do diff amt).

- what I thought of them if we met and whether I would do again.

Because once you get past 5 or 6 experiences they start to blend together. The registry helps.

Lord I pray nobody ever sees it tho. It's pretty explicit. Eg "let me do an-l but wasn't happy about it."

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2724104]Thanks for the response. How recently did you visit Madrid and got interest for 200 EUR? Which age group showed interest? Do you speak Spanish or English with them? I don't speak any Spanish (or French) so hopefully that won't be a problem.

As for money I usually hand it to them just before they head off, I found there was no awkwardness with this process but I usually make the ppm aspect very clear before we meet. Once or twice I did the envelope thing because the hotel had one available. And one time after the girl left I realized we both forgot about the money, ended up transferring the money online using our real names. She was very cool about it.[/QUOTE]Last in Spain. About 4 months ago. I pulled about 7 girls over to whatapp and with a week's time, I wasn't able to see them all (I tried). 200 EU was the number for these girls. Again, there were literally too many girls responding to chat them all up, so I chose the most promising and executed.

Age group: 20 - 27.

Language: I speak english with them. Even if you see a profile that you like in spanish, send her a message. She might speak english. In full disclosure, I've had quite a few girls respond that they are interested, but do not speak english. Those are a no go for me. But I'm a f*ck#ng hypocrite because one of the girls that I didn't' meet last trip (no time) doesn't speak english really at all (besides basic greetings) and we have been texting heavy over the past 2 weeks and making plans. I'm addicted to experiences and I need to experience all the girls. LOL. So sometimes, things may not be ideal, but it may become a hell of an experience.

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Hi all, will be in the Dubai this weekend I've already started my scouting but finding it hard to weed out the wg's and the genuine sugar babes any clues or hints for Dubai?

I have tried subscribing one month SA account but no matter how many times I try paying using hdfc credit card with enough credit balance in it. It logs me out and when I try to login again it says account suspended. Did anyone face it? Please help.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2724130]This is just so people know your history.

When I wrote the right of guy, it was in reference to these two encounters.

So Jack, things like this have happened to me too. Most times I met a seeking girl there was a price, but there were times when money was not discussed and when I tried to give a woman money, it was either refused or questioned. So having had years of contemplation on the matter, let me spill it out because I like FastMDster was initially confused. When a woman refuses money from a guy on seeking, it means she likes you and wants to date you. She cares more about you than your money.

Thing is we have been trained to think these 9,10 types like FastMD describes do not want guys like us; they want their Ken Doll types. Unlike other women, these 9,10 types have had said men and dealt with their insecurity and have seen them get by through life on their looks and charm. Worse, if you go out with a Ken Doll, you have to share him. The good Ken Dolls have been snatched up, and the left over guys are often boring, insecure, lazy, drug using, video game playing losers who despite their looks are lousy in bed.

Maybe you cannot say this about yourself but there are so many ways I am better than in my 20's, and a lot of women care more about those things than having Ken Dolls. Sexually speaking in my 20's, I used to be thrilled if I could make a woman cum. Now I think there is something wrong with a woman if she does not. I did not believe it when so many women said I was good in bed, but I realize that if the women were fucking 20 year olds who fucked like I used to, maybe it is true. Without seeking, these women would not be able to meet the right kind of men: worldly, intelligent, successful, secure non-asshole types who rock their world in bed.

Holding on to the belief that you are not going to care for a woman is a protective mechanism when you are dealing with a WG. It is confusing then when a woman is offered money and turns you down. All that is left is that she likes you or the long con. After that, when you fuck them again and again for no money and your expenses are the same as if you had a GF, the whole long con concept fades away.

I think you and a lot of other guys suffer from cognitive dissonance on this matter.

[URL]https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-cognitive-dissonance-2795012[/URL]

The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so this conflict causes feelings of unease or discomfort.

Everyone experiences cognitive dissonance to some degree, but that doesn't mean that it is always easy to recognize.

So how do I know that I am not suffering from cognitive dissonance and you are? Because I have felt what you have felt and get why you are like you are. It is emotionally protective.

But for your POV to be right in this case, I have to be lying and there is no way you can know that and so does FastMD, and you have to somehow know the motivation of every woman on seeking. In short, you have no facts to back up your beliefs. Your contention that all the women on seeking are WGs and men who think otherwise are fools is not supported by anything other than your wanting it so. That is classic cognitive dissonance.

Guys should hold onto their belief that many if not most women on seeking are WGs, but they should be open to the fact that there are women out there that like them for more than their money. One thing women do that men need to copy is shit testing. Tell a woman that this hat / dress ETC would look great on you and see if she tries it on and wants you to buy it for her. My gal passed so many shit tests I do not bother with them anymore. A good productive gal will love to do things for you and prove her worth. A WG type will always be looking to take.

The reason I spent so much time on this is my gal is a 9,10 type, and I almost talked myself out of the possibility that she liked me for me. That is why Jack holding onto your belief can be incredibly destructive. Not all women want Ken Dolls.[/QUOTE]Wow, guess I hit a nerve.

I didn't read all of the above wall of text, but one of the women to which you referred in your second paragraph specifically said she was on SA because "real estate has slowed down" and because "Vancouver guys are cheap," so I'm not buying the whole "I offered her $800 but she wouldn't take it" story.

The name of the site is Seeking Arrangement. The idea that nice girls are on there looking for nice guys is just utterly delusional.

As I said a year or two ago in my old posts you found, stop paying and see how long any of these really special relationships last.

[QUOTE=FuckPussy;2724468]I have tried subscribing one month SA account but no matter how many times I try paying using hdfc credit card with enough credit balance in it. It logs me out and when I try to login again it says account suspended. Did anyone face it? Please help.[/QUOTE]Have you been previously suspended? They have their own database of emails, names and addresses which they check against before sending to your credit card for processing. The times I have hit this wall the card operator is not seeing any traffic. So, I think you have a black mark in their database. Here is what I would do:

A) get a different email address (free gmail).

B) get a different card number.

C) Use a different street address but same Town & Postcode as your card.

Last time I had problems signing up I tried changing each of the above individually and was unsuccessful until I had all three changed. You will get very good at signing up gmail accounts.

[QUOTE=JackMiami;2724502]Wow, guess I hit a nerve. The name of the site is Seeking Arrangement. The idea that nice girls are on there looking for nice guys is just utterly delusional. As I said a year or two ago in my old posts you found, stop paying and see how long any of these really special relationships last.[/QUOTE]Oh that's just Elvis LOL! Let me clear this up. They're "nice girls" (soft-core to hard-core tutes) looking for "nice guys" with money. And the more money those "nice guys" hand over to them, the "nicer" those guys become! LOLOLOL!

My definition of a working girl is a girl who makes living off selling pussy. A girl, whose only (or main) income comes from prostitution. You can call her a puta, a prostitute, a prepago, or whatever you want to call her. She could be a freelancer working the streets or online platforms, SA included, or employed at a brothel, strip club, terma, etc. Out of every 10 girls that I contact at least 3-4 are prepagos, another 2-3 are selling videos and shit, the rest are semi pros or non pros, which is my main audience. Semi pros are those who sell pussy part time to supplement their main income, single moms, college students, etc. They don't do it for living and are not employed at a casa, brothel, and the like where they get fucked daily. These girls are low volume and usually provide GFE, this is why I try to target them specifically. Some semi pros do it because they want to travel places, wine and dine, and have a good time. Non pros are hard to find on SA, these are usually new girls who just joined and have no clue what they are looking for, and no prior experience selling pussy. So, not all girls on SA are working girls, we can't just generalize, however, the majority, at least 9 out of 10, are looking for a mutual benefit. Let's not be delusional!

Elvis, please stop bragging about your 9-10 girlfriend, you mention her all the time. If she is really a perfect woman in every aspect and is into you for real, well, my congrats to you, you hit a jackpot. But your case is an exception due to combination of factors and luck, I had said this before, chances that an average monger from the US or any other country finds himself a 9 or 10 freebie (heck, even an 8! While traveling for a short period of time, are close to zero, let's be realistic here. And I'm sure while you are not paying her directly, you provide her a good quality lifestyle, take her to nice places, restaurants, buy her nice gifts, etc.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2724282]I concur with Elvis.

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From 2017 -2020 I was fucking 2 girls, one from Globe Club and the other from Aphrodesia for free while they were still working there. Actually, they both are still working, except now both are at Aphrodesia, LOL. There was no long courtship, just one night on one of my trips and exchanged numbers. They would fly to wherever I was in Europe, one even came to NYC. I would reimburse their flight and paid for all of our dinners etc. But, no other payments, I bought them birthday gifts and Christmas etc but no allowance, PPM etc. These were professional WGs at 2 of the most famous sex clubs in the world.

Ended up paying for an abortion, but that's a different story on what not to do, LOL.[/QUOTE]Flying strippers to Europe and paying all related expenses is the exact opposite of "fucking for free," especially when legit 9's and 10's can be fucked in Europe for $200 or less. (Or literally for free, if you really have BDE.).

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2724519] Let's not be delusional!

Elvis, please stop bragging about your 9-10 girlfriend, you mention her all the time. If she is really a perfect woman in every aspect and is into you for real, well, my congrats to you, you hit a jackpot. But your case is an exception due to combination of factors and luck, I had said this before, chances that an average monger from the US or any other country finds himself a 9 or 10 freebie (heck, even an 8! While traveling for a short period of time, are close to zero, let's be realistic here. And I'm sure while you are not paying her directly, you provide her a good quality lifestyle, take her to nice places, restaurants, buy her nice gifts, etc.[/QUOTE]MB, I completely agree with you. That said, I do not think you get on what. You just called yourself an average monger and I completely agree.

My case was hardly luck, not a one time thing, and I have said what I did to up my game dozens of time, but you never learn. FastMD is playing the same game I did and having similar results. You are just doing the sour grapes thing and foolishly outted yourself an average monger. Maybe the problem is not realism but your lack of game.

If it was just my being lucky, which is the ultimate loser stance, why is someone else replicating what I did?

[QUOTE=JackMiami;2724544]Flying strippers to Europe and paying all related expenses is the exact opposite of "fucking for free," especially when legit 9's and 10's can be fucked in Europe for $200 or less. (Or literally for free, if you really have BDE.).[/QUOTE]You clearly have no experience in Europe and from your posts it stated, no experience with FKKs. I won't feed your troll posts.

But if you think paying for a flight and fucking 2-4 x a day for week and paying for eating is not free, I don't know what world you live in. You are not getting a 9/10 in Switzerland for $200 US.

I have no problem fucking for free, I want no attachments. True one night stands are rare. I could share the text messages and I from your post I know what type of person you are.

I will continue to post field reports for the benefit of guys traveling to the same places.

You can believe what you want.

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2724577]You clearly have no experience in Europe and from your posts it stated, no experience with FKKs. I won't feed your troll posts.

But if you think paying for a flight and fucking 2-4 x a day for week and paying for eating is not free, I don't know what world you live in. You are not getting a 9/10 in Switzerland for $200 US.

I have no problem fucking for free, I want no attachments. True one night stands are rare. I could share the text messages and I from your post I know what type of person you are.

I will continue to post field reports for the benefit of guys traveling to the same places.

You can believe what you want.[/QUOTE]Touche. Based on that guy's past posts, he has contributed nothing but just trolling, criticisms and solicitation of information.

Many of us have enjoyed reading your field reports.