Jakarta

So the second part of my Jakarta report. After my not wonderful Kartika experience, I decided to have a walk in Lokasari Plaza. I could see the place but no girls around in the streets nor in the bars. I waited for about 30 minutes then I decided to change and went to Hard Rock Café area. Nicer place. But again nobody in the HRC nor in the nearby. I climbed upstairs and had a walk. Looking in the bars. Few nice girls there but, before I found the way to approach them, arrived their friends, in some cases boys in other girls. So I decided to leave the game. I had a very good fish dinner downstairs at Fish & Co for 181, 038. And then I went back to my hotel, in the hope to find something at least there. Not lucky day for me. Or maybe I was just blind and so I went to sleep. The following morning I tried to have a look at ISG from the Hotel pc but I found out it is banned for pornography. So I had a swim in the hotel pool and a good lunch there, then a nice walk in Fatahillah area. Where I could see the really interesting Wayang Museum, the ceramic museum and the fine art place as well. Had a talk with a nice Swedish girl found there about Indonesia and Stieg Larsson novels and then I was ready for a new experience. I got a taxi and I went to Travel Hotel. No problem in finding it. Just a bit embarrassing since I entered the hotel main door to find out that the sauna entrance is first door on the left. Had to leave my bag at the front counter and then I came in. A good number of nice, great, young girls on the left under a good light. Mamasan drove me to the darker area on the left (about 6/8 men there) and, after refusing her drink for the usual reasons, we had a talk and explain me the fare was 300.000 for one hour, girl and room included. Then she introduced me about 6 babies, all good. And I chose the best one (the usual mistake of choosing the better body instead the warmer smile and I have been punished for that). Her name is Emy. So we go upstairs and I enjoy from behind the walk of this gorgeous beauty. When we enter the room (nice, big, clean) I have a shower and she has as well. Then she starts speaking (in Indonesian I guess). And went on for a couple of minutes in spite of my nodding and gesturing and telling her I understood zero of it nd of the fact that I undoubtedly look not Asian. But it was so nice to hear that wonderful toy to speak in a mysterious language, showing her ivory teeth on her amber skin. But that was all. Because at the end of her short talk she said "condom". And dressed my little brother even if there was no erection at all. And she rolled on her back widening a bit her leg and indicating her pussy. It was more funny than exciting. I tried to push her to do something or to allow me to something to her. But she stopped me and tried to introduce my weak friend in her dry pussy. I do not know whether she did not really understand that it was not possible or if she was just trying to do her job. Anyway, after a couple of minutes of this funny but not satisfactory game, I decided to put condom off (she looked really upset) and to dress up and go downstairs. Mamasan was really surprised to see me so early and asked me why. I told her. She invited me to chose another girl but I was not in the mood any longer. So she drove me to the way out where I had a polite talk with a man who checked my words through some calls and then he offered me to pay the room only. It means 150.000. Strictly speaking it was fair since I used the room and had a shower and dried with the towels. Even if I considered it a bit too much, since I was not there for a shower. Anyway, I was not there to argue with anybody. Nor to argue for just 10 of my euros. So I paid and left. Took a taxi and quickly went to the Stadium. Entered and climbed to the elevator. Do not remember the 3rd or 4th floor. Where I could see much less but also much better babies. Two of them were really really sexy. Not beautiful, not classy, but sexy. Just a couple of mongers there. Mamasan introduced me a nice good looking girl, good English speaking. After 20 seconds about 10 more girls came to me, shaking hands, smiling, hugging and so on. I did not know what to do. And the English speaking girl whose name I did not understand nicely explained me that I had to chose a girl. So I chose her and all of them went away. We had a short talk. And she explained me that the fare was 310.000 and what were the services granted. And asked me twice to go, what I do not like. So after a bit more talk I told her it was time to go. I had to pay in advance and we went to a nice, big, clean room. She undressed. I attach here some pics of her. IMHO she is great even if better dressed than naked. 23 years old, a boy of 5, Christian, just a bit too thick on her hips for my taste and not so long legs. But she fulfilled great. Shower then some hugging and good BBBJ. She made comments for my size. And seemed really paining when I fucked her cow girl. But she did not openly complain. So I calmed down and tried other classical position. Mish and all 4 I mean. And I had a good 30 minutes with her. After popping some nice talk. Shower and bye bye. Got the taxi and went to the airport. To go back to Manila. I hope SM consider that I am fulfilling my part of promises as he asked for when he gave me the requested information about Kartika and Tc and Hotel Travel. Tomorrow I will start writing the other reports. Guangzhou, Angeles, Manila and Macau in this order. If interested search for them in the proper forum. While attaching this report I see that my pics are too big for this forum. Sorry about that. I will do my best to resize them asap. But no time now and I do not know when.

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Good and clear report about your first soapy.

On a side note: when the answer to your question is RTFF, that includes the use of the "search" button. That way you wouldn't have to read postings that are not interesting.

Did you stay in Novotel at jalan Gunung Sahari? In that WTC Mangga Dua? If so, you were ripped by the taxi driver. He should not only know where and what Kartika is, but the fare would have been between 10K and 15K if not less.

[quote=mongerxx]here is a secret tip, if you want the super milf experience like kartika or berlian but with girls with much better attitutudes,service and clean (but rather open) rooms, try shinta massage one alley south of the kartika/berlian alley. here they have the photos selection at the desk, but you they will call down a girl for you to check out if you ask. the price here is 230k all in and some of the girls are extremely wild and skilled. note, the girls here are all older and none of them real hotties - so don't be dissapointed if don't get a syt. probably not a good place as well if you are a bit shy too. but i think of this place offering the same class of service as kartika and berlian, but they are much more deserving of your business.[/quote]mongerxx, since my last post and this one, i took the opportunity to make a quick trip down to kota. inspired by your words, i decided to forego the certain pleasures of rena or poni or wiwiek or nini or what's-it at berlian and try shinta instead.

it's pretty much exactly as you said. i walked into a brightly lit lobby area with a friendly, charming, quite pretty mami behind the desk, with one or two male security guards and/or gophers to the side. there was a front desk with a bunch of photos of the various girls, with numbers next to them. i never find this a very good way of choosing a girl, so i asked the mami for her recommendation, and just said, someone who isn't going to be shy with a bule. she laughed at the idea that any of the girls were going to be shy with bule, chinese, batak, greek, japanese, arab or martian, but suggested yani no. 40. "have a look and see for yourself. if you don't like her, i'll call another one," she said, or indonesian words to that effect.

her choice seemed reasonable enough. like mongerxxx implied, she wouldn't win a beauty contest, but she seemed friendly and eager to please, which was a good start. at least 30 years old, i'd say.

again, i concur with mongerxxx about the rooms. tiny little cublicles, no doors, just a piece of cloth hanging down, and the paper thin walls don't go up to the ceiling. no bathrooms in the actual room. mirrors and a single bed and a few nails in the wall to hang your daks sums it up.

but the service was really good. first of all, yani - or was it yeni? - started off with a really good, solid massage. to be honest, i thought that was a bad sign - just as topless waitresses don't usually pull a good beer, full service providers often don't really give good massages. still, yani proved to be quite an exception.

when i indicated that we should move on from the therapeutic massage stage to the more advanced stages of the program, she willingly complied. she was quite willing to let me stick a couple of fingers up her, and then did an excellent 'mandi kucing' - "cat bath". she was sucking my toes, then licking all the way up to my arsehole and sticking her tongue in. i encouraged her to concentrate on that region for a while, which she was happy to do, only bobbing up her head every now and again to anxiously enquire whether she was doing the right thing. occasionally she'd depart from the established routine to do a bit of a blow job - but i didn't want the programme to end too quickly, so i encouraged her back to that sensitive piece of skin just behind the testicles.

none of this "rushing to get you out in 30 minutes" rubbish.

i finally decided to end it up, and had her sit on my dick, facing me. after a few final minutes, i blew my load.

the end bit was quite funny. like i said, no attached bathroom - you have to wrap a towel around your waist and make it a few metres to the shared shower. yani came with me to soap me down and wash me, and then pushed me out of the cubicle to have some space to herself. getting out, i ran into her friend, nani, also wrapped in a towel. we exchanged a few pleasantries and flirted mildly, as one does under such circumstances. definitely wouldn't mind doing her next time.

so, as i said: i pretty much concur with mongerxxx on everything he said. yani did have a sagging belly, and skinny, droopy tits, even if her face was pretty enough in a pembantu-ish kind of way. where she stood out was outstanding service. i'm quite happy to give her number out and steer some business her way - a sincere, hard working girl like that deserves our support.

mongerxxx, sorry if i've over-promoted your secret destination, and i hope the place isn't flooded with tourists who complain about the bad english or whatever. i thought it was a lot of fun ....

ps oh, pricing: i asked yani whether to pay her or downstairs, and she said: "pay rp85,000 for the room downstairs." "and for you?", i inquired. she paused for a fraction of a second and said: "rp 200,000." so, mxxx, was she trying it on? i would have given her that much as a tip anyway, so i handed it over - without any extras - with a smile and peck on the cheek. still good value.

the place is of the left side of the gang, the next one along from berlian-kartika, away from mangga besar.

last orders at 9:30pm in the evening, yeni said.

[QUOTE=Dorman]If you're a long term resident or generally know the scene Ramadhan doesn't pose insurmountable problems (but it still does make things tricky) but if you're a first time visitor then I think you'll find it tough, your visit pretty much coincides with the fasting month, so you can write off two weeks (at the beginning and at the end) completely and if you haven't already made the connections and know where to go then I would seriously suggest rescheduling your visit.[/QUOTE]Thanks Traveler1234 and Dorman for your advices

I can't reschedule, too bad. anyway, tough is not impossible.

[QUOTE=Menteng]Good and clear report about your first soapy.

On a side note: when the answer to your question is RTFF, that includes the use of the "search" button. That way you wouldn't have to read postings that are not interesting.

Did you stay in Novotel at jalan Gunung Sahari? In that WTC Mangga Dua? If so, you were ripped by the taxi driver. He should not only know where and what Kartika is, but the fare would have been between 10K and 15K if not less.[/QUOTE]I was in Mangga Dua. I agree to be ripped off, but the driver had to drive around long time before finding Kartika. And he looked really ignorant of its location and all the people he asked did not seem too aware of where it was exactly. When he eventually got clear indication he drove me there. Maybe it is the only taxi driver in Jakarta who does not know where Kartika is, but he seemed honest and sincere.

I was told 230 but each time I have given 280-300 because I was very pleased. So I don't there was anything funnier than a strong tip suggestions. Not perfect form but after taking care of biz not worth getting concerned about.

I am glad you tried it and found it as described, I hope others who like that kind of place will enjoy as well. And I hope they report the good and bad of the numbers they try.

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PS Oh, pricing: I asked Yani whether to pay her or downstairs, and she said: "Pay Rp85,000 for the room downstairs." "And for you?", I inquired. She paused for a fraction of a second and said: "Rp 200,000." So, MXXX, was she trying it on? I would have given her that much as a tip anyway, so I handed it over - without any extras - with a smile and peck on the cheek. Still good value.
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[QUOTE=Morepoonhound]Thanks, Hung Man. This is useful background on Ray. I think I will still like to taste her poon, but maybe I will try inviting her for afternoon delight short-time. Definitely I won't pay 750k though. So far 500k has been my top (and usual) price for BATS poon, and the wenches have to pay their own cover to get in. Maybe since Ray can still head for BATS that nite after I plow her, and since I won't charge her cover to get into my room, or to drink my alcohol (grin) - maybe I can persuade her to be more reasonable on my wallet. If not, well . . . then not.

Anyone else have a Ray story to share. Is her pussy as hot as the rest of her package ?
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For those of you without long memories, you may need to go back to May of 2008 (around 90 pages back - good job on the reports here, gentlemen). Anyway, I had taken the phone number of a seriously hot-looking lady called Re (I spelled it Ray originally), and Hung Man replied helpfully that she had quoted him 1.5 juta. Hmmm . . .

Well, it took me a few months to get around to connecting with Re - although I kept her "warm" with the odd phone-call every month or so, looking for a nooner. She was generally busy, but we finally connected over a long lunch hour and I gotta say she was one of the hottest fucks in memory. Elegantly turned out in tight jeans and a form-fitting black sweater, long shiny hair and a fresh face.

I had her naked in minutes, eating her lovely shaved pussy. Two comments there - one is that it was perhaps the smoothest "tunnel" I have ever felt (using my fingers as I licked) - not a bump or ridge or fold noticeable - nice though. Second was that she was clearly not into it at first. Oh, she moaned like a porn-star and acted like I was a seriously great licker, but it was perhaps 10 minutes in before she really started getting wet. By then she was pulling on my ears to fuck her (nope, sweetie - I like it best when it gets juicy), so I kept at it for another 15 minutes more or so before pulling on a condom and plundering that tasty poon with my prong.

Very tight, still wet and she had all the moves (and moans) down. Absolutely top-shelf fuck . . . and I fucked her for over an hour following the initial oral, interrupting once to ask her to go rinse the condom taste away so we could 69, before fucking her some more. I could tell she was a bit puzzled that she couldn't make me cum, but to her credit, she did a pretty good job of hiding her unhappiness over how long I was making her work for her pay. Very professional - if I hadn't done a bunch of working girls before, I might have thought she was really enjoying herself. Oh her body kept responding - she stayed wet throughout with no extra lube - and she kissed back and shifted positions flawlessly each time I wanted her on top again, or under me in doggie, etc.

But she had three strikes against her - one, I had fucked an old AFF friend long and hard both the night before and then again that morning, maybe 5 hours earlier - including cum-shot. Two, I have pretty good stamina when wearing a condom - besides the safety angle, that's the OTHER nice thing I can say for latex (grin again). And three, knowing I was going to taste Re's treats soon after fucking that morning already, I had popped a Viagra which somehow delays the money-shot most times. So she really was outa luck with her preferred wham, bam and out the door with the rupiah. By the way, she knew every trick . . . for example telling me to pull out and rip off the condom so that she could swallow my cum. I suppose some guys spurt just at the nastiness of the suggestion coming from the girl (instead of their own idea). Me - I did as requested, and then once her jaw got tired 10 minutes into a masterful suck . . . she really is good . . . I put on another condom and started rogering her once more . . . laughing . . . to her reasonably well-disguised dismay.

About 90 minutes into the session, she gave up and told me that she had to go. I didn't try to stop her - after all, who wants to fuck a woman . . . even a hot looking woman . . . who is unhappy to remain writhing on your rod. But I did dock her pay. I gave her 500k rups for the fuck and another 100k for her taxi, because she was a sensationally hot fuck before she decided enough. Of course she pushed back and said she never accepts less than a juta - though she was nice about the conversation - never a whining harpy, like some working girls can be.

I replied firmly but pleasantly that she needed to get back onto her knees and finish the job if she wanted full pay, but that I would expect to cum twice, just like I would if I had kept her overnight. I reminded her that this was a nooner . . . no BATS overheads . . . that she hadn't even been with me 2 hours yet. And then I praised her lavishly, telling her that sure I would see her again, and pay her a juta . . . provided it was for all night, or at least two orgasms, whichever came first. With a resigned shrug, she gracefully slipped the money into her jeans and let herself out.

Summary - Re is a remarkably hot and horny fuck. But I believe that the "horny" is her professionalism, and that she isn't really one of those girls that loves to ride the dick. Will I do her again - hmmm . . . I have never actually paid more than the 600 I gave her, so . . . maybe. But anyone willing to pay a juta for prime poon should be pleased to plow Re's pretty pudenda.

Her pic is attached - she sent this one to me, I didn't take it myself. But as she asked me to please be discreet, I cropped off some of her strikingly attractive face. She wasn't comfortable letting me take foto's, so I didn't press the point.

My maiden trip to Jakarta was indeed a fruitful one month ago. Armed with the info obtained here and also from another similar forum , I checked out the following places :

1. Hotel Travel ( Off Jln Mangga Besar ) - with vague information in my head, I checked the first outer hall with enthusiasm in my heart . overall , cool looking cewek . It was a weekday and at 3 pm it was rather half filled with patrons, so I slowlly check out . No hurry ... then went over to the inner courts where the pool table were . There I was introduced to a slim and big bookies , Harina .. Overall , SOP , but I noticed something here which is different from BKK, she keeps cleaning my dick head after a few slurps ! I guess my protein isn't good for her ! The hygiene level practised by Harina is commendable . Before and after BBBJ , brush her teeth and tongue .
WIR : Yes , I will return to check it out again on my next trip . Damage : less than RM 100, heard got spa facilities but didn't go for it !

2. Lokasari Total Country ! ... hell , went around Lokasari to look for this place. Up the wooden staircase and into a dimly litted place . I was a bit disappointed because the it's isn't what the cheongers here have described it to be. I couldn't find any cewet that caught my eye . Maybe wrong time ?? it was at 7 pm . !!! please let me know what did I miss ? Don't flame me ah .. that was the first time in TC !!!

3. Took a cab to Top Gun in Blok M . Truly a bule place lah .. weekdays . I think a bit slow. In my humble opinon, cannot compare to Soi Cowboy in terms of ceweks and atmosphere !.! then again . maybe it's the weekdays . .. but the live music was great !

Went back the next day to Travel's again but at night .... ! Jam packed .. got another slim boobsy called Oni .. SOP ... somehow , I am amazed at the superb proportion of the slim body and big boobs of these cewek .

I'll be back . Just booked myself back for another trip during Korban ( only available time ) , hope there are left overs to be feasted . Yeah I know , it's a lousy timing , but I'm gonna be optimistic

[QUOTE=Xerus]My maiden trip to Jakarta was indeed a fruitful one month ago. Armed with the info obtained here and also from another similar forum , I checked out the following places :

1. Hotel Travel ( Off Jln Mangga Besar )

2. Lokasari Total Country !

3. Took a cab to Top Gun in Blok M .[/QUOTE]

Xerus, glad you enjoyed Hotel Travel. The other places? For those who like it, TC's works best in the early afternoons on the weekends, for reasons you might deduce when you see what demographic the SPs fall into.

Blok M, on the other hand, doesn't really get going until quite late, unless you just want a few quiet drinks and a meal. After 11 or 12 it hits the stride.

Moorepoonhound,

Yep that seems like it's her. Skin tone gives her away. And her number was current for a year?? Wow.

Actually, I was interested in her paying a lunch time visit (about when I woke up!) but the fee was about 750k, and the terms and conditions were longer than the ones dealt out where I work. So I passed. Hmm oh well.

But I've done alright without Ray (?). Short trip coming up to Bali, contemplating a fly in from Jakarta that I've never met. Trying to weigh up the cost/ benefit stuff - is it cheaper to fly a hot freebie in than take a punt with the tourists on the isle? What if she is a dead lay/ runner? Will I have time for the good one I know on the island - if Mr infatuated isn't still on the isle (trust me, love sick puppy doesn't even come close to the dribble this guy types on her profile). And will she bring her friends? And how many more girls can I nail on balibum? :D And why is this in the Jakarta forum anyway?

Oh that's right - Ray was from Bali - I think. But I believe her, they never lie..

[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808]Short trip coming up to Bali, contemplating a fly in from Jakarta that I've never met. Trying to weigh up the cost/ benefit stuff - is it cheaper to fly a hot freebie in than take a punt with the tourists on the isle? What if she is a dead lay/ runner? And will she bring her friends? And how many more girls can I nail on balibum? :D
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Hung Man, just my opinion, but there's plenty of downside to flying a woman you have never met into Bali to meet you - especially if you're planning to taste pussy not belonging to her while you are there. No shortage of hot-looking women in Bali - whether professional working-girls, opportunistic semi-pro's, or holidaying Japanese girls on the prowl in pairs. Other flavors of tourists as well of course, but if you've got game, the Japanese holiday-makers are often up for bone-dancing.

The one exception might be if your prospective poon partner is aggressively bi- and enthusiastic about helping you hunt for ****. (grin) One more suggestion though if you have a couple of weeks before you land in Bali - work the social networking sites. AFF is my particular preference - with lots of attractive profiles (including obvious working girls if you are open to paying), but all of Friendster, Faceparty, and even Facebook are ripe with open-minded women who will play if you invest a bit of time on email and chat first. Enjoy Bali - practically paradise.

Jakarta poon hounds, what follows is about AFF, so skip this post if you don't have interest in woo'ing freebie fucks. I posted this a few minutes ago on the Singapore thread in response to a question. But actually most of my AFF action has been in Jakarta, so I thought anyone considering the freebie-fuck route in Indonesia might like some encouragement. I have had success on my travels with AFF dates in practically every city - Manila, KL, Singapore, HongKong, even Perth (!). But by far my happiest hunting ground has been Jakarta. If you're really keen on this topic, do a search on this thread as a handful of regulars here posted several times about freebie-fucking a year-or-so ago. All the bit that follows below the "___" line is a repeat from the Singapore thread.
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Valkyrie and others who wonder about AFF. The bad news is that the "get laid tonight" advertising is pretty much bullshit, unless you choose to hit on obvious working-girls profiles. And there are pro's with profiles up on AFF for sure - most are NOT working girls, so look carefully if you just want to see what you will be paying for from the comfort of your internet connection. Code-words are "seeking generous gentlemen", "looking for sugar-daddy" and the to-the-point "I like sex and money".

But mostly AFF is about fucking freebies, and if you invest time and effort - and if you can string more than one sentence together coherently - then AFF is a target-rich environment with a wonderful pay-off. Much better for lining up regular/repeat fuck-buddies (my preference anyway), as very few females go out of their way to look for one-night-stands. With a pussy, they can score that any night in a bar anyway.

I will spare everyone my bragging - in this post at least (grin) - but if you are prepared to till the soil, plant the seeds, and water your fuck-buddy crop, you can get a serious amount of pussy. The pay-off for me isn't so much that it is free, as it is knowing that these women genuinely love to fuck rather than being clock-watchers letting you bone them only for the money.

I suppose you should forget about AFF if you are out-of-shape or you closely resemble a troll. But I am 50, very fit, happily-married (and honest about that on my AFF profile), only average-looking face . . . and I still bang at least one new AFF sugar every month, while adding the seriously fun fucks to my list of regulars. Some are only averagely-attractive married housewives, but others are in their early 20's to mid-30's and strikingly hot professionals (bankers, teachers, lawyers) who just want something discreet on the side.

The single girls will typically fade in and out as they hook-up with serious relationships, but treat them right and you can still get the odd shag with them. Married women have to be careful too, so sometimes I go a couple of months between repeat dates, but I have fucked several of them regularly for 2-plus years. That's why you want to develop a list of regulars.

About having to "pay" for AFF. Well, the site is full of bullshit scams and hard-sell marketing, but I pay exactly $99.95 per year of "silver" membership, and I do it via money-order so that there is no credit-card audit trail and no risk to me of games being played with my card. That's my advice to all of you as well. Plenty of stories of guys who had their credit-cards abused with auto-renewal and so on. So don't go there - buy a money-order and mail it in.

One more thing - in theory, you can have a "free" membership on AFF. But unless you are built like a Greek-God, have a dick the size of a porn-star, or look like George Clooney, your luck with a free profile will probably be slim to none. For the price of a single short-time hooker in Singapore, it's worth it to me to have a year's paid subscription to chase women who self-qualify themselves as loving to ride the dick. Your mileage may vary (of course).

[QUOTE=Morepoonhound]Jakarta poon hounds, what follows is about AFF, so skip this post if you don't have interest in woo'ing freebie fucks..[/QUOTE]

MPH, interesting post. I never really got into AFF: but I've used another site, asianeuro.com. At first blush, it looks quite different from AFF. Much more about love, romance, marriage, partnership and so on. In actual fact, the difference is probably a lot more marginal than you might think. To be sure, you can't just log on and start asking a girl if she does BBBJ, or something like that. They usually like to talk a bit about French literature first. You have to give them the opportunity to tell you that they are nice girls who wouldn't contemplate any disgusting free sex activities. Oddly, though, once they've got that off their chests, they usually still don't take more than one or two meetings before they deliver the goods.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two] You have to give them the opportunity to tell you that they are nice girls who wouldn't contemplate any disgusting free sex activities. Oddly, though, once they've got that off their chests, they usually still don't take more than one or two meetings before they deliver the goods.[/QUOTE]
You are not the first fellow to comment on the huge amount of fucking to be had from the so-called "mainstream" social networking sites, Gonzo. I like to read the blogs on AFF, and there have been several posts about meeting people on AFF or on Match, Facebook, etc. People who have profiles on at least AFF plus one of the others. And the comments are mostly that even though the profiles are VERY different in style, the dating (and fucking) behavior is pretty similar.

Standard (free) members on AFF can read the blogs. So I recommend a profile called "thedomo" and his blog is called "thebloggo". See his post titled "How to pork Shawn Johnson". Very funny and all about how using the attitude you develop from spending time on AFF can pay huge dividends when you start hitting on women from mainstream sites. Good for a laugh in any case.