Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1963976]Super report EihTooms, sounds like a lovely evening. So in the end, you paid just shy of 5000 baht for BBBJ, CIM, uncovered sex, cuddling, no drama. Well worth it, IMHO. One question: this was the Mandarin at the top of the escalator to the right (blueish color scheme)? Not the one where you walk up the stairs (redish color scheme), right? I've avoided that one for quite some time because of their strong drinks hustle, though the upstairs one hustles a lot too. Good to hear that you did not get the rough treatment from the mama san or her minions.[/QUOTE]Well, I am only a one pop guy for ST these days. So I didn't experience her full BBBJ+CIM skills and so I don't really know what would have happened at crunch time in that regard. It was agreed that if I wanted to finish that way, it would be done, but who knows. However, her BBBJ as mere foreplay skills were quite nice and effective. I would probably go for the BBBJ+CIM option next time with her. Otherwise, you are correct in your description.

This was the first Mandarin go-go bar you find at the top of the escalator, not the one you have to take another flight of stairs to get to, although I have more often taken "special" girls from that upstairs one, too.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1963986]This was the first Mandarin go-go bar you find at the top of the escalator, not the one you have to take another flight of stairs to get to, although I have more often taken "special" girls from that upstairs one, too.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I have never been to the one adjacent to the escalator landing. I always go to the one up the extra flight of stairs. I will have to check out the 2nd FL place. Thanks ET.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1964006]Interesting. I have never been to the one adjacent to the escalator landing. I always go to the one up the extra flight of stairs. I will have to check out the 2nd FL place. Thanks ET.[/QUOTE]Yes, good luck with it, Natty and everyone else. As long as the bars are going to do it, and some always will, I for one would like to see the concept of higher barfine prices for Coyotes, "Special" girls or whatever actually MEAN something in terms of higher quality of service, lower hassle and doubt, Special treatment for the customer and so on rather than just some third party's idea of which ones are cuter or prettier. Hell, they are all young and mostly within a year or two of one another. Therefore, I am into spreading the word about where that principle seems to be taking place.

I can only say "seems" because I have no idea if these Special girls are up for the treatment I have gotten with the next guy or the next one after that. A friend of mine took one of the Special girls from the extra upstairs Mandarin bar a few months ago, one I had never met, and he later said she was adamant about coverage back in the hotel room and pretty much a dud in other respects. I asked him if he had cleared the subject with her in the bar beforehand and he said no. Maybe that is the key.

Of course, clearing such a thing beforehand would probably help in all cases. But I have found that broaching the subject with the Special girls in Mandarin, in the way that I cited in the report post, is not met with the kind of feigned big deal recoiling in horror that one might find or fear one might find with other girls. My impression is they appreciate that the customer is being asked to pay more and that it is reasonable for him to ask for more, whatever that might be, whether a particular girl is up for it or not. That is a refreshing new approach to the two tiered barfine rate concept, wouldn't you say? I applaud it and am happy to spread the word about it.

Of course, she can always say no in the bar and some will, to me as well. No problem. Next!

Also, I hope everyone understands that, due to the nature of what I consider worthy of recommendation or mention in these matters, I will not be sharing specific names, badge numbers and identities of the girls in question on the internet. The topic is just too fraught with controversy and potential harrassment. But I can at least narrow down certain pools of likely participants if or when I encounter them.

Bangkok Trip Report – Day 1.

Just completed an 11 night stay in Pattaya for my 4th trip to LOS over the last 19 months. Visited with many girls and ladies there and had some great times, with some frustrations. I am now in Bangkok for two nights in Bangkok before seeing my Thai GF who will be arriving at BKK Sunday. We will go to Phuket before returning the Bangkok, then I will return home a few days later.

I have never mongered in Bangkok, with my only experiences in Phuket and Pattaya. So far, Pattaya is my favorite, due to the sheer number and availability of hot Asian women, but I feel I need to give Bangkok, particularly the Sukhumvit area, a chance.

I am staying at the Key hotel, off of Soi 19, practically next door to Terminal 21. It is a bit of a hole in the wall hotel that my taxi driver and I totally missed, but keep your eyes open and you will see the sign and the entrance. It is actually a pretty nice hotel. I booked a normal room but was upgraded to an executive room, and it is quite nice. Big king sized comfortable bed with nice pillows. It has a microwave over for cooking and separate sink for dishes, with a small breakfast table. There are few kitchen utensils as well. The bathroom, however, is too narrow. It has a small sink with no vanity, though there is a ledge to put toiletries on. The AC is remotely controlled and there is an LED TV and writing desk. The window view is worthless. The windows are behind outside signage. They let in some light, but you can't see anything.

Anyway, upon arriving I checked in then walked down all the way to the Nana district to get the lay. I walked by the Nana hotel but saw no signs of the venue itself. But upon exiting, I walked by a small alley that was blocked off my a couple of trucks and then I notice a bunch of shops or whatever down that street and realized that was the place. Wow, nothing like Walking Street. I headed back east and stopped by a massage place with a really cute girl outside for a legit foot massage. She was cute and gave a nice massage. I then left and continued heading east, then walked up the sky train overpass and was able to see how to get to Soi Cowboy, which was also basically a hole in the wall. From my hotel, you simply could walk across the street. It was a busy street but had walking lights. Or you go up to the sky train (MTS) and walk over the via the overpass. Either way.

I had dinner at Terminal 21. Lot of hot women there! I then later headed over to Soi Cowboy. Wow. My first impression was that of disappoint. This was one of the most infamous red light districts? This hole in the wall? It was a fraction of Walking Street in Pattaya! The passageway was narrow. I poked my head into a couple of agogos and was not impressed, but it was still early. I walked all the way down and all the way back in just a few minutes. I turned to head back down and was impressed with a band playing on the south side very near the entrance. I went inside, figuring I would relax there for a bit, then continue my journey. Inside, though, a pretty girl comes to me and I let her sit with me. Not a great beauty, but she was funny, slender, great legs, very pretty and had that girl next door look. Sorry, never understood her name. She was affectionate in a nice way, and before too long I bar fined her for the night for 700. No discussion about her fee, but I was not even sure if I wanted sex (just leads to frustration for me, as my Pattaya reports discuss), but to have a cute girl to walk with and maybe even just spend the night with would be fine. We stayed in the bar listening to the music for an hour or so, then we left. But then I got hammered for tips. Heck, a working girl at another table wanted me to tip her. I said no. Later, a dude at the table she was standing by leans over to me, saying they are wondering why I don't tip her, then exclaims "why don't you just tip her, man?" I just stared at him for a few seconds, like why would I tip a girl who isn't doing anything for me? Then after I paid the BF, she wanted me to tip the woman who arranged it, who I thought was the manasan. I sighed as I paid. But as we exited the door, she pointed to another woman I had never seen and told me to tip her, as she was the manasan. I grumbled about why am I tipping these people?? I at least refused to tip one!

She led me to the far end of the street, turned right, went down a bit and enterd a door. Inside was a strip club full of naked women. She led me upstairs, and there were naked women giving lap dances with guys fondling all over them. We sat down and got drinks, but she was looking disgusted. After 5 minutes she grabs me and rushes out of there. Her English is turning out to be horrible, but from what I can decipher, a friend of hers works there and wanted her to work there. She was curious and wanted to go see the place, and she was repulsed by it. She said she was shy and could never do stuff like that. She realized she had to make a living, and sleeping with men was acceptable, but she didn't even want to dance up on a gogo stage dressed, let along dance naked and have men grope her like that, even though the money is apparently very good.

We leave the place then she finds some friends outside and talks to them for a bit. I am starting to get a little upset, and close to walking away. But she is cute and returns to me and asks where my hotel is. It is a just a short walk and we end up there. She has forgotten to bring her ID but the hotel says it is ok. In my room, she sits down and gets on her phone. Fine, I will catch up on emails. I work for a while then when she seems to be off the phone and just lying there on the couch, I say I need a shower, but she says she is fine. I come out of the shower and she seems to be asleep. OK, I don't really need sex, so I will let her be and I will go to bed, as I am very sleep deprived. I climb into bed and turn off the lights. She awakes a little while later and comes to the bed, but she has restless energy, tossing and turning a few times, banging her head on mine a few times from her wild gyrations. And she gets phone calls. I guess it was her sister's birthday, and she even had me wish happy birthday. She hangs up and I tell her I am really tired but I understand it is probably early for her so she can leave or whatever. She then decides she needs to leave, but says she will come back. She gets my phone number and heads out. But I decide I don't really want to see her anymore. She totally changed after we left the club, from a nice girl to a crazy girl. I had not paid her a single baht yet, and figured she would not be worth spending a baht on now. A few hours later she calls and I ignore it. She calls 2 more times then I turn off the phone. It was after 2 am so I am sure she could go back and possibly get another man, but she turned out to be too freaky for me. I figure she would come back and we would have sex, but I doubt it woud all that good, and why spend the money if I know it won't be good. I have been having plenty of sex in Pattaya that has been good, rattled with frustrations as I can only come into a condom every few days. I am due, but did I want to waste one with a crazy women? But really, she was really nice in the club. I know that these girls will do that to get you hooked, then may change attitudes after the deal is done. Maybe I am exaggerating things. I was obviously tired and she was wide awake, so it was not totally unreasonable for her to go do a few things then come back later when she was starting to tired, wake me up for a quickie, then finally go to sleep touching each other. In fact, in bed in between her wild gyrations, she was being quite loving. I don't know. Part of my decision was that I learned she was a mommie and I could tell she had flat, probably floppy breasts, which were probably ugly. I don't know, but I don't regret too much ignoring her calls. I don't think she was trying to take advantage me, and she probably has a good story that I stiffed her and didn't pay her anything for her time. All I could say to that is she left me, I didn't leave her.

Anyway, as I write this it is late afternoon and I think I will visit Nana tonight. I have been advised that the Rainbow 4 is the only place there worth visiting. He said Baccara was the only place on Cowboy. I passed it by but didn't visit.

So, not a great first night at Soi Cowboy, but not exactly bad either. I will try to get out my 2nd and final report out tomorrow. If I don't it may be a while. Heck, think I still owe a final days trip Pattaya report from last May.

Not farang friendly now.

After the passing of the King and the raid previously, Sephan Kwai is mostly back to normal. However last Thursday night I experienced awful racism in all the bars accept The Best which is now RCA but with no sign. The girls in all the places were rude and wouldn't even look at me. I was dressed in a suit with decent Thai skills and had money to spend.

Finally I found a good girl in one of the bars but she excused herself to go to the restroom and a minute later, was sitting with some Thai guy giving him a lap dance. When she returned I told her to take a hike.

I was able to salvage the night when the moma there phones a previous lady I had taken from Harlim and I went off to meet her and had a great session. Be warned guys that this area is now not farang friendly for the time being, hopefully it will change back in the near future.

I'm getting completely bored with the go go and bar scene these days. I'm sticking to the ladies in my address book mad making P4 P dates with ladies from the Internet and chat apps. Even the massage places are getting old. My 10 K date nights have been fabulous with some real stunners and performers.

FL, at least walk in and out of Thermae while you are there. Best time between 8 pm til 12 am. Have fun at R4. My girls are #37 and #88. Both pretty faces for me, tall, with a touch of curves. It's a decent place and more or less the only BKK gogo that can challenge some of the top Pattaya gogo clubs.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1964108]Bangkok Trip Report Day 1.

Just completed an 11 night stay in Pattaya for my 4th trip to LOS over the last 19 months. Visited with many girls and ladies there and had some great times, with some frustrations. I am now in Bangkok for two nights in Bangkok before seeing my Thai GF who will be arriving at BKK Sunday. We will go to Phuket before returning the Bangkok, then I will return home a few days later.

I have never mongered in Bangkok, with my only experiences in Phuket and Pattaya. So far, Pattaya is my favorite, due to the sheer number and availability of hot Asian women, but I feel I need to give Bangkok, particularly the Sukhumvit area, a chance.

I am staying at the Key hotel, off of Soi 19, practically next door to Terminal 21. It is a bit of a hole in the wall hotel that my taxi driver and I totally missed, but keep your eyes open and you will see the sign and the entrance. It is actually a pretty nice hotel. I booked a normal room but was upgraded to an executive room, and it is quite nice. Big king sized comfortable bed with nice pillows. It has a microwave over for cooking and separate sink for dishes, with a small breakfast table. There are few kitchen utensils as well. The bathroom, however, is too narrow. It has a small sink with no vanity, though there is a ledge to put toiletries on. The AC is remotely controlled and there is an LED TV and writing desk. The window view is worthless. The windows are behind outside signage. They let in some light, but you can't see anything.

Anyway, upon arriving I checked in then walked down all the way to the Nana district to get the lay. I walked by the Nana hotel but saw no signs of the venue itself. But upon exiting, I walked by a small alley that was blocked off my a couple of trucks and then I notice a bunch of shops or whatever down that street and realized that was the place. Wow, nothing like Walking Street. I headed back east and stopped by a massage place with a really cute girl outside for a legit foot massage. She was cute and gave a nice massage. I then left and continued heading east, then walked up the sky train overpass and was able to see how to get to Soi Cowboy, which was also basically a hole in the wall. From my hotel, you simply could walk across the street. It was a busy street but had walking lights. Or you go up to the sky train (MTS) and walk over the via the overpass. Either way.

I had dinner at Terminal 21. Lot of hot women there! I then later headed over to Soi Cowboy. Wow. My first impression was that of disappoint. This was one of the most infamous red light districts? This hole in the wall? It was a fraction of Walking Street in Pattaya! The passageway was narrow. I poked my head into a couple of agogos and was not impressed, but it was still early. I walked all the way down and all the way back in just a few minutes. I turned to head back down and was impressed with a band playing on the south side very near the entrance. I went inside, figuring I would relax there for a bit, then continue my journey. Inside, though, a pretty girl comes to me and I let her sit with me. Not a great beauty, but she was funny, slender, great legs, very pretty and had that girl next door look. Sorry, never understood her name. She was affectionate in a nice way, and before too long I bar fined her for the night for 700. No discussion about her fee, but I was not even sure if I wanted sex (just leads to frustration for me, as my Pattaya reports discuss), but to have a cute girl to walk with and maybe even just spend the night with would be fine. We stayed in the bar listening to the music for an hour or so, then we left. But then I got hammered for tips. Heck, a working girl at another table wanted me to tip her. I said no. Later, a dude at the table she was standing by leans over to me, saying they are wondering why I don't tip her, then exclaims "why don't you just tip her, man?" I just stared at him for a few seconds, like why would I tip a girl who isn't doing anything for me? Then after I paid the BF, she wanted me to tip the woman who arranged it, who I thought was the manasan. I sighed as I paid. But as we exited the door, she pointed to another woman I had never seen and told me to tip her, as she was the manasan. I grumbled about why am I tipping these people?? I at least refused to tip one!

She led me to the far end of the street, turned right, went down a bit and enterd a door. Inside was a strip club full of naked women. She led me upstairs, and there were naked women giving lap dances with guys fondling all over them. We sat down and got drinks, but she was looking disgusted. After 5 minutes she grabs me and rushes out of there. Her English is turning out to be horrible, but from what I can decipher, a friend of hers works there and wanted her to work there. She was curious and wanted to go see the place, and she was repulsed by it. She said she was shy and could never do stuff like that. She realized she had to make a living, and sleeping with men was acceptable, but she didn't even want to dance up on a gogo stage dressed, let along dance naked and have men grope her like that, even though the money is apparently very good.

We leave the place then she finds some friends outside and talks to them for a bit. I am starting to get a little upset, and close to walking away. But she is cute and returns to me and asks where my hotel is. It is a just a short walk and we end up there. She has forgotten to bring her ID but the hotel says it is ok. In my room, she sits down and gets on her phone. Fine, I will catch up on emails. I work for a while then when she seems to be off the phone and just lying there on the couch, I say I need a shower, but she says she is fine. I come out of the shower and she seems to be asleep. OK, I don't really need sex, so I will let her be and I will go to bed, as I am very sleep deprived. I climb into bed and turn off the lights. She awakes a little while later and comes to the bed, but she has restless energy, tossing and turning a few times, banging her head on mine a few times from her wild gyrations. And she gets phone calls. I guess it was her sister's birthday, and she even had me wish happy birthday. She hangs up and I tell her I am really tired but I understand it is probably early for her so she can leave or whatever. She then decides she needs to leave, but says she will come back. She gets my phone number and heads out. But I decide I don't really want to see her anymore. She totally changed after we left the club, from a nice girl to a crazy girl. I had not paid her a single baht yet, and figured she would not be worth spending a baht on now. A few hours later she calls and I ignore it. She calls 2 more times then I turn off the phone. It was after 2 am so I am sure she could go back and possibly get another man, but she turned out to be too freaky for me. I figure she would come back and we would have sex, but I doubt it woud all that good, and why spend the money if I know it won't be good. I have been having plenty of sex in Pattaya that has been good, rattled with frustrations as I can only come into a condom every few days. I am due, but did I want to waste one with a crazy women? But really, she was really nice in the club. I know that these girls will do that to get you hooked, then may change attitudes after the deal is done. Maybe I am exaggerating things. I was obviously tired and she was wide awake, so it was not totally unreasonable for her to go do a few things then come back later when she was starting to tired, wake me up for a quickie, then finally go to sleep touching each other. In fact, in bed in between her wild gyrations, she was being quite loving. I don't know. Part of my decision was that I learned she was a mommie and I could tell she had flat, probably floppy breasts, which were probably ugly. I don't know, but I don't regret too much ignoring her calls. I don't think she was trying to take advantage me, and she probably has a good story that I stiffed her and didn't pay her anything for her time. All I could say to that is she left me, I didn't leave her.

Anyway, as I write this it is late afternoon and I think I will visit Nana tonight. I have been advised that the Rainbow 4 is the only place there worth visiting. He said Baccara was the only place on Cowboy. I passed it by but didn't visit.

So, not a great first night at Soi Cowboy, but not exactly bad either. I will try to get out my 2nd and final report out tomorrow. If I don't it may be a while. Heck, think I still owe a final days trip Pattaya report from last May.[/QUOTE]Dude, I'm guessing you are an older guy so I will try and give you some advice. Head into Suzy Wong and CW at Soi Cowboy. In Nana, head into Billboard on the top floor or Angel Witch on the second floor. Bangkok has some amazing oily massage places, Snow White on Soi 26, a bunch on Soi 24/1 and some decent ones down Soi 24 and then take a quick left onto a side Soi. A trip up Ratchada will reveal some great soapies and Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers.

Bangkok has a lot to offer but you can't compare it to Pattaya where every street is full of beer bars, massage shops, and of course there is walking street. In Bangkok, the red light areas are spread out into small sections. Even give the Soi 4 beer bars a try, many cuties in there. Of course there are other places and clubs like Mixx, Insanity, and the famous Thermae. Read the Bangkok forum more and you will see. I would like to however apologize in advance for some of the clutter from posters talking about absolutely nothing and their bickering.

Regards,

Dog.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1964121]Bangkok has a lot to offer but you can't compare it to Pattaya where every street is full of beer bars, massage shops, and of course there is walking street. In Bangkok, the red light areas are spread out into small sections. Even give the Soi 4 beer bars a try, many cuties in there. Of course there are other places and clubs like Mixx, Insanity, and the famous Thermae. [/QUOTE]Dog what are your thoughts about Patpong? I visited there during my trip to Thailand and had to ditch an annoying tout, but there were a lot of bars in that part of town.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1964121]Dude, I'm guessing you are an older guy so I will try and give you some advice. Head into Suzy Wong and CW at Soi Cowboy. In Nana, head into Billboard on the top floor or Angel Witch on the second floor. Bangkok has some amazing oily massage places, Snow White on Soi 26, a bunch on Soi 24/1 and some decent ones down Soi 24 and then take a quick left onto a side Soi. A trip up Ratchada will reveal some great soapies and Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers.

Bangkok has a lot to offer but you can't compare it to Pattaya where every street is full of beer bars, massage shops, and of course there is walking street. In Bangkok, the red light areas are spread out into small sections. Even give the Soi 4 beer bars a try, many cuties in there. Of course there are other places and clubs like Mixx, Insanity, and the famous Thermae. Read the Bangkok forum more and you will see. I would like to however apologize in advance for some of the clutter from posters talking about absolutely nothing and their bickering.

Regards,

Dog.[/QUOTE]BKKDog, let me come back to your sentence "Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers. ". I will be in town next week but during my previous visits I did'nt go to Climax, although I had dinenr very clsoe at Oskar (very few girls). The reason was that from reading and watchign videos abotu Climax I alwasy got the feeling that only this place is only really for young or middle-aged men. I am 68, although looking bit younger let's say 60), neither I am Apollon! Now who can tell me if guys of my age will be welcome (I mean, not ridiculous! For picking up a FL here?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1964108]Bangkok Trip Report Day 1.

Just completed an 11 night stay in Pattaya for my 4th trip to LOS over the last 19 months. Visited with many girls and ladies there and had some great times, with some frustrations. I am now in Bangkok for two nights in Bangkok before seeing my Thai GF who will be arriving at BKK Sunday. We will go to Phuket before returning the Bangkok, then I will return home a few days later.

I have never mongered in Bangkok, with my only experiences in Phuket and Pattaya. So far, Pattaya is my favorite, due to the sheer number and availability of hot Asian women, but I feel I need to give Bangkok, particularly the Sukhumvit area, a chance.

I am staying at the Key hotel, off of Soi 19, practically next door to Terminal 21. It is a bit of a hole in the wall hotel that my taxi driver and I totally missed, but keep your eyes open and you will see the sign and the entrance. It is actually a pretty nice hotel. I booked a normal room but was upgraded to an executive room, and it is quite nice. Big king sized comfortable bed with nice pillows. It has a microwave over for cooking and separate sink for dishes, with a small breakfast table. There are few kitchen utensils as well. The bathroom, however, is too narrow. It has a small sink with no vanity, though there is a ledge to put toiletries on. The AC is remotely controlled and there is an LED TV and writing desk..[/QUOTE]FL Hawk,

Thailand is a place in the world were people do not tip here. It is the culture here. If they sense you are a newbie they look at all of us as walking ATM machines. They will just hound you for tips even if they were just on the same street as you. I always politely say so. Sometimes an independent in Pattaya mostly will ask for a tip after the short time and I will always say the 1000 baut or whatever was agreed apron was the tip they always smile and leave. Never any heard feelings and actually they respect you more for not being a sucker. Even with lunch and dinner you are not required to tip. As we are global citizens the media tells us. They have to accept us in their culture of not tipping the same as if the Thai went to a country that requires tips they would be required to tip. It is only fair.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1964225]BKKDog, let me come back to your sentence "Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers. ". I will be in town next week but during my previous visits I did'nt go to Climax, although I had dinenr very clsoe at Oskar (very few girls). The reason was that from reading and watchign videos abotu Climax I alwasy got the feeling that only this place is only really for young or middle-aged men. I am 68, although looking bit younger let's say 60), neither I am Apollon! Now who can tell me if guys of my age will be welcome (I mean, not ridiculous! For picking up a FL here?[/QUOTE]I am 70 going on 55. Live in Hawaii so I am in great shape surfing and windsurfing for over 20 years. I have stayed in the Ambassador many times because of location. The ladies don't care about your age. The younger ones might resist but most never do. If you look really old, with a beer belly and your bent over and have a lot of hair growing out of your ears, you can still get laid. Like they say "Money talks, bullshit walks". Go for it and don't look back.

RL.

Trip Report – Day 2 (Final).

Got ready to head to Nana at about 8 PM but it was pouring rain. I checked the radar and felt it wouldn't last must longer, and sure enough it soon stopped. I walked all the way down and the plaza was more favorably impressed than with Cowboy. I walked around all the levels while also searching for Rainbow 4, which I had been told was the current best. I see Rainbow 1, Rainbow 2, Rainbow 3 and Rainbow 5, but no Rainbow 4. Strange. I notice a lot of ladyboys. I peek inside a few clubs and some are full and others have lots of room. I figure I need to go inside one and check things out. I pop into Strip. Well, I quickly realize I made a mistake. This is a ladyboy bar! OMG. I laugh at myself, marvel at over a dozen of these people staring and smiling at me in a nearly empty bar, before getting the heck out. Wow. I ran to a nearby bar that I knew had real girls, and I believe it was Rainbow 2. I didn't see a great line up, but I needed to be surrounded by real women!

I ran in and took a seat on the other side, where the girls were better looking. A short while later a new girls takes the state, #40, and she is beautiful. She has a woman's body. Not a spinner, but slender with some curves and breasts. Really hot – possibly model material. I want this one. After watching her for a while I request she come over. English not so good, but she is hot and she is being affectionate. Her name is Ann. The BF there is 700, but they say she will cost 3000. Yikes. I hesitant and think for many minutes. I ask how long. They say I can take her upstairs, or to hotel. I am thinking LT, and say hotel and how long. The mamasan says 4 hours. I ask about overnight but they either didn't understand or simply didn't answer. I think I really need to leave and check some more bars, but I doubt I will find anyone hotter and this is my last mongering day in Thailand and I want sleep, so I go ahead and agree. 3000 for 4 hours with a sexy hottie.

It had started to lightly rain and we walk out to the main road, crossed the street and hailed a taxi. We tell the driver the hotel is on Soi 19, and I add that it is near Terminal 21. He misunderstands and thinks I want to be dropped off there, and before I realize the mistake we are at the terminal. Charge is about 40 baht, not bad. The rain is just a light sprinkle so we walk the rest of the way to the hotel. I comment that the rain is romantic and she laughs. Inside, I take shower then she takes a shower. She has been playful and the resumes some of that in bed. But she soon starts to go down on me and I say no, go slow. Yes, we have 4 hours and I don't want to rush. I give this beautiful woman a massage, then we hold each other and start some nice DFK. It is nice and I am believing there is no way I won't be able to release with this girl (followers on the Pattaya forum know about my severe problem being able to come with a condom). I am getting rock hard. She calls for a condom but I say I want her to smoke me, and she does and is pretty good. She takes me deep and it is excellent. Then I allow the condom and she climbs on in Cowboy and is very tight. We change positions and it is all wonderful but my problem surfaces again. I can't believe it. I am dripping with sweat again trying to get over the edge. But I can't and I collapse next to her, saying I need to rest a little She wants to take a shower but I say I am not finished, but I lose half the erection. Dern, should have take that Viagra! I try to enter her with a new condom but it just isn't working. She had rolled over when I went to the bathroom and when I tried to get things started again she said she was tired. Well, I was horny and wanted to come and we still have several hours for her to nap! But I am defeated and feel we need some time to recharge, so I let her take a shower to clean up.

But when she comes out she is dressed and says she is leaving. What?! I said no, we still have at least 2 more hours. She acts like she doesn't understand. I say, fine, but I will only give your 2000 as I am only getting half my time. She doesn't object so I get up and go over by the door to give her the money. I do, she looks at it, and say she needs 3000. I say if you want 3000 then stay the 4 hours. Well, ok, you know how it goes when trying to renegotiate with a Thai who knows little English. She just wanted her 3000, and perhaps she felt the time was ST for 2 hours. I repeated the mamasan said 4 hours. No budging on her part. Argh. I started to get dressed, saying we could go back and talk to the mamasan, but then I realized what would happen if I did that? I would then be surrounded by Thai bar girls thinking I was cheating HER, so I just threw the remaining 1000 at her, then went to the door and opened it up in a symbolic kicking her out. Frustration. I am good natured and never get angry, but I was a tad upset here!

Then I looked at my phone and the girl from yesterday had tried to call me. Well, I only have enough money now to get to the airport tomorrow and eat, so I didn't think long at all about not calling the girl back. I did have plenty of time left that I could have visited an exchange machine, but I figured that the signs were all pointing to me to keep things buttoned up down there in preparation for my Thai GF arrived just 10 hours later. Yes. Maybe the Gods know I will be able to finally take her virginity and that I need to save all my juice for her. Haha Yeah, three trips to LOS before to see her and no reason to believe her Kevlar hymen has loosened up any since the last time.

So, not a successful time in Bangkok at all. I do think the first girl would have been fine had she stayed. I might be raving about probably Ann had I come with her. Well, no, I would still have expected her to say and have a nap. I don't know.

So I will pack up, head to BKK, and meet my Thai GF and hopefully, with the next 10 days with her, finally take care of her virginity problem. No more condom frustrations! I really have no regrets leaving Pattaya early for two nights here. But Pattaya has so much more. No one, really, should give up nights in Pattaya for nights in BKK. I never will again.

P.S. I have since received some advice about what I perhaps should be doing, but I saw none of it before I went out. I did want to see the main venues, and I have done that now, so if I even get stuck up here and can't get down to Pattaya, I will take that advice. Thanks for all the suggestions!

It may be at least 1-1/2 weeks before I am back on here, so if you have any questions or comments, be patient. Take care guys.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1964237]FL Hawk,

Thailand is a place in the world were people do not tip here. It is the culture here. If they sense you are a newbie they look at all of us as walking ATM machines. They will just hound you for tips even if they were just on the same street as you. I always politely say so. Sometimes an independent in Pattaya mostly will ask for a tip after the short time and I will always say the 1000 baut or whatever was agreed apron was the tip they always smile and leave. Never any heard feelings and actually they respect you more for not being a sucker. Even with lunch and dinner you are not required to tip. As we are global citizens the media tells us. They have to accept us in their culture of not tipping the same as if the Thai went to a country that requires tips they would be required to tip. It is only fair.[/QUOTE]Yes, in Pattaya now I rarely tip the girls, only if they gave really good service. For standard service I don't tip. But I AM a newbie in Bangkok and while I did say no to the one girl, I broke down for the other two who, also, really did nothing. Oh, the mamasan for Ann did ask for a tip as well, but I laughed her off! But good advice to remind us that we do not need to tip them. My Thai GF has also taught me to not tip or, if I do, just a little.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1964360]Trip Report Day 2 (Final)...

So, not a successful time in Bangkok at all. I do think the first girl would have been fine had she stayed. I might be raving about probably Ann had I come with her. Well, no, I would still have expected her to say and have a nap. I don't know.

So I will pack up, head to BKK, and meet my Thai GF and hopefully, with the next 10 days with her, finally take care of her virginity problem. No more condom frustrations! I really have no regrets leaving Pattaya early for two nights here. But Pattaya has so much more. No one, really, should give up nights in Pattaya for nights in BKK. I never will again.

P.S. I have since received some advice about what I perhaps should be doing, but I saw none of it before I went out. I did want to see the main venues, and I have done that now, so if I even get stuck up here and can't get down to Pattaya, I will take that advice. Thanks for all the suggestions!

It may be at least 1-1/2 weeks before I am back on here, so if you have any questions or comments, be patient. Take care guys.[/QUOTE]FL Hawk, Bangkok has more beautiful women who are much more skilled at bringing men to orgasm inside their pussies and mouths than Pattaya. IMO, you should have left Pattaya much earlier and spent more time in Bangkok if more successfully coming to climax inside beautiful women was your goal. Even though these things can naturally be a matter of opinion, the obvious greater income incentive for better looking and better skilled girls plying their trade where there is more money and opportunities available pretty much trumps mere "opinion", wouldn't you say? It just stands to reason better looking and better skilled girls would be more inclined to travel that extra 90 minutes up the coast to make a ton more money, no?

But I can't miss the more than obvious signs that your posts (which I really enjoyed reading, BTW) about one failure after another while wearing those dern condoms is a "cry for help" in terms of someone, somewhere giving you permission to STOP wearing those dern things! Therefore, I will gladly shoulder the responsibility of giving you full permission NOT to wear one ever again with any woman, P4 P or not, for the rest of your long and far more pleasurable life!

HOWEVER, I only give you that permission if you are willing to take a few simple steps to make sure you and your partners will be safer from unwanted pregnancy and life-altering disease than 99.99% of the guys and gals out there who claim to "always use condoms".

1. Get yourself circumcised, so there is less opportunity for creepy-crawlies to grow in the moist area under your foreskin.

2. Get yourself a vasectomy so it will be virtually impossible to father unwanted children. Condoms sometimes break and / or slip off. Vasectomies do not.

3. Always have in your possession a current, less than 3 months, clear and clean bill of health blood check document negative and / or non-reactive for HIV, syphilis and any other STIs you are concerned about. Yes, that doesn't mean you didn't suddenly acquire something in that relatively tiny window between infection and testing, but then we're talking about the likelihood of scoring a hole in one teeing off from the top of the Empire State building and to a cup dangling from the tip of the Chrysler Building. Don't lose sleep over the possibility of it. Again, condoms sometimes break and slip off. Clean blood test documents do not.

4. When you are finished cumming with glorious pleasure inside an actual vagina, don't lay there stewing in your and her juices for more than a few minutes before heading to the shower, washing off and peeing to flush out whatever.

Once you have resolved to incorporate those precautions into your barebacking life, then you can approach and chat up women all over the typical P4 P destination world, Pattaya and Bangkok included, armed with the confidence that YOU are safer for condom-free sex than 99.99% of the men who are planning to wear a condom tonight but have done nothing to rack up the actually much more reliable precautions against acquiring or spreading disease and fathering unwanted children that I have outlined above. Armed with that confidence (and documented proof if asked for it), it will be even easier for you to find beautiful women all over the place willing to have sex with you without a condom, which is already pretty easy to do around here as long as you are willing to ASK for it beforehand often enough.

Otherwise, I suspect you just might give yourself a fatal heart attack trying to cum inside a condom and the girl a heart attack when she realizes a dead man is laying on top of her with his dead dick in her pussy albeit fully encased in a tube of dern plastic.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1964360]Trip Report Day 2 (Final).

So I will pack up, head to BKK, and meet my Thai GF and hopefully, with the next 10 days with her, finally take care of her virginity problem. No more condom frustrations! I really have no regrets leaving Pattaya early for two nights here. But Pattaya has so much more. No one, really, should give up nights in Pattaya for nights in BKK. I never will again.

P.S. I have since received some advice about what I perhaps should be doing, but I saw none of it before I went out. I did want to see the main venues, and I have done that now, so if I even get stuck up here and can't get down to Pattaya, I will take that advice. Thanks for all the suggestions!

It may be at least 1-1/2 weeks before I am back on here, so if you have any questions or comments, be patient. Take care guys.[/QUOTE]If you sought a blueprint for an enjoyable P4P trip to Thailand one need look no further than reading FLHawk's posts. Full of incidental amusing details they show how to enjoy the moment no matter the outcome. His glass always half full, his respect for the ladies and his never say die attitude endlessly expecting the next encounter to be the one that rocks his boat is so refreshing. I don't envy his quest for the illusive orgasm but I sure envy his spirit and his energy. Will be interesting to see how the reunion with his girlfriend goes.