Panama City

[QUOTE=Mfins; 1397051]Garbage- Just as I think Panama is making a nice come back they pull this crap. Doesn't Veneto realize that 90% of the guys at the casino bar are only there and spending money because the girls are also there.

When I was there they didn't even have there show performing on the stage or the dancers in the carnival outfits.[/QUOTE]Not too big of a deal, plenty of girls still go in. Also, a smart operator can stand outside and pick out what he wants before they go in and have to pay the cover charge.

Is the Le Meridien Hotel in Panama City chica friendly? I will be with colleagues and we will be partying there. I don't want the girls to be turned away.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Tbuss;1397097]Not too big of a deal, plenty of girls still go in. Also, a smart operator can stand outside and pick out what he wants before they go in and have to pay the cover charge.[/QUOTE]I believe I did mention there are outside options (eg Manolo's) , my point was, inside or out, you hear the same complaint now about they have to make up (from you) for all the $ they've already spent on wasted entry fees. One reason why, as you pointed out, a $100 good time now has a $150 starting offer, and is pushing $200.

[QUOTE=MiamiKevin;1397460]I believe I did mention there are outside options (eg Manolo's) , my point was, inside or out, you hear the same complaint now about they have to make up (from you) for all the $ they've already spent on wasted entry fees. One reason why, as you pointed out, a $100 good time now has a $150 starting offer, and is pushing $200.[/QUOTE]If that's the case, when they started complaining about how many fees they paid in the past, I would tell them to go with my now before going in for $100 and then their next 5 nights entry would be paid for. There are currently a lot more girls than there are clients, it's a buyers market for anyone with even a little bit of game.

[QUOTE=Tbuss;1397546]If that's the case, when they started complaining about how many fees they paid in the past, I would tell them to go with my now before going in for $100 and then their next 5 nights entry would be paid for. There are currently a lot more girls than there are clients, it's a buyers market for anyone with even a little bit of game.[/QUOTE]Why has the price gone up to $150 or $200? Only last year you could offer $80 and agree a tip of $20 for good service, including BBBJ DFK etc, although not all would partake the offer. The majority of these Colombian girls would make MUCH LESS in Colombia and $100 is more than a weeks wage. When negotitaing one should point out they will make a loss if no one agrees to pay their ridicolus prices and will return home to their families with diddly squat. One can generally fuck the same girls in Bogota for around 30, 000-80, 000 COP.

For $150 I would expect CIM to be a starting point for negotitions and with perhaps anal included also.

Where did these Las Vegas prices come from? We must resist!

[QUOTE=Love Handler; 1398591]Why has the price gone up to $150 or $200? Only last year you could offer $80 and agree a tip of $20 for good service, including BBBJ DFK etc, although not all would partake the offer. The majority of these Colombian girls would make MUCH LESS in Colombia and $100 is more than a weeks wage. When negotitaing one should point out they will make a loss if no one agrees to pay their ridicolus prices and will return home to their families with diddly squat. One can generally fuck the same girls in Bogota for around 30, 000-80, 000 COP.

For $150 I would expect CIM to be a starting point for negotitions and with perhaps anal included also.

Where did these Las Vegas prices come from? We must resist![/QUOTE]Price also depends on the quality of girl you're looking for, AND what you want in her attitude once you agree to hookup (all business vs. A little mutual generosity) , BTW that includes getting her phone / e-mail for future trips. Of the four girls (all dropdeads) that I got down to talking $ with at Habanos, their starting offer usually was $200 / hr, sometimes $250 for 2 hrs. Each time, we agreed on less $ for a little less time, but never any hesitation about BBBJ, anal etc, and I know how to contact any or all of them next trip, for a beach date or a night out, and that guaranteed happy ending. You choose what you want, but I consider a young gorgeous girl who's happy to be on my arm & in my bed as an investment (within reason) well worth making anytime. What say you?

[QUOTE=MiamiKevin; 1396217]FYI to all: as of about 3 wks ago (was there President's Day wkend) Veneto charges a $20 entry fee to all Colombian girls, so you can be sure you'll hear how many nights of fees with "no sales" that she's paid as she tries to upsell you. This has also pushed some of the Veneto regulars over to Habanos, AND pushed up their takehome price of course. On the other hand, previous visitors will remember the old Doll House in same lower arcade as Oasis (next to Veneto) , its being renovated and should soon be open under new ownership. Will check as to status and takeout fees when I return on 18 April. Manolo's across the street also still worth a walkthrough in primetime.

Happy punting[/QUOTE]I am throwing the BS flag on this $20 entry fee for the ladies. I was just at the Veneto last weekend and didn't see or hear this new requirement for the girls. You were lied too.

[QUOTE=Love Handler; 1398591]Why has the price gone up to $150 or $200? Only last year you could offer $80 and agree a tip of $20 for good service, including BBBJ DFK etc, although not all would partake the offer. The majority of these Colombian girls would make MUCH LESS in Colombia and $100 is more than a weeks wage. When negotitaing one should point out they will make a loss if no one agrees to pay their ridicolus prices and will return home to their families with diddly squat. One can generally fuck the same girls in Bogota for around 30, 000-80, 000 COP.

For $150 I would expect CIM to be a starting point for negotitions and with perhaps anal included also.

Where did these Las Vegas prices come from? We must resist![/QUOTE]The girls have formed a kind of consortium and try to maintain the price point as best they can. They will pressure new girls and girls charging less to maintain the higher prices. That's one side of the problem, the other side is that there are a lot of guys who gleefully pay whatever is asked and many others still who proudly argue that it's their right to pay whatever they want and that it doesn't impact anyone else. They are correct on the first part but very wrong on the 2nd part. Until a much larger group of guys starts to refuse to pay the outrageous rates the girls are asking, they will confidently ask for it and many will refuse to go for less.

For years the real price-point for a very pretty girl was $100- they are now trying to re-establish that at $150. Many are asking for $200 and then "settling" for $150 with a huff, like they are doing a favor. Always a shame to see the gringo's turn these girls into just the type of girls they are leaving the states to avoid but it's pretty inevitable.

Just have to go to where the large numbers of overpaying, tipping guys don't go yet.

[QUOTE=Joey Smith;1398750]I am throwing the BS flag on this $20 entry fee for the ladies. I was just at the Veneto last weekend and didn't see or hear this new requirement for the girls. You were lied too.[/QUOTE]First thought in my mind, Joey, so I checked with not one but two of the guys who screen the girls at the escalator, it's $20 and it's only charged to Colombian girls, not to any guys or any Panamanian women.

Hi All,

I'm visiting Panama city next week but I'm staying at the decameron up the coast. I'm renting a car and planning on making a few mongering visits to town.

Can anyone give a direction or intersection for where exactly los Arcos or any other push button is located? I'm looking for one that's on the west side of town (closer to my way back to decameron not on the other side like the mistica area where most are) I remember someone here mentioning los arcos as being close to venetto. I'm hoping to avoid having to ask anyone in Panama how to get there I've driven around latin countries before nobody knows nothing.

Thanks,

Remember, we're all in this together.

Tom Power

[QUOTE=Tom Power; 1399245]Hi All,

I'm visiting Panama city next week but I'm staying at the decameron up the coast. I'm renting a car and planning on making a few mongering visits to town.

Can anyone give a direction or intersection for where exactly los Arcos or any other push button is located? I'm looking for one that's on the west side of town (closer to my way back to decameron not on the other side like the mistica area where most are) I remember someone here mentioning los arcos as being close to venetto. I'm hoping to avoid having to ask anyone in Panama how to get there I've driven around latin countries before nobody knows nothing.

Thanks,

Remember, we're all in this together.

Tom Power[/QUOTE]The link below should bring up a pretty good map showing it's location.

[url]http://www.viajeros.com/alojamiento/hoteles/residencial-los-arcos-panama:fotos_y_mapa[/url]

[QUOTE=Tbuss;1397546]If that's the case, when they started complaining about how many fees they paid in the past, I would tell them to go with my now before going in for $100 and then their next 5 nights entry would be paid for. There are currently a lot more girls than there are clients, it's a buyers market for anyone with even a little bit of game.[/QUOTE]Agreed, More supply than demand at the moment however the top 10% was leaving with clients multiple times in a night so they are not hurting. Its the other 90% that is having to fight for clients.

[QUOTE=Tbuss; 1398952]The girls have formed a kind of consortium and try to maintain the price point as best they can. They will pressure new girls and girls charging less to maintain the higher prices. That's one side of the problem, the other side is that there are a lot of guys who gleefully pay whatever is asked and many others still who proudly argue that it's their right to pay whatever they want and that it doesn't impact anyone else. They are correct on the first part but very wrong on the 2nd part. Until a much larger group of guys starts to refuse to pay the outrageous rates the girls are asking, they will confidently ask for it and many will refuse to go for less.

For years the real price-point for a very pretty girl was $100- they are now trying to re-establish that at $150. Many are asking for $200 and then "settling" for $150 with a huff, like they are doing a favor. Always a shame to see the gringo's turn these girls into just the type of girls they are leaving the states to avoid but it's pretty inevitable.

Just have to go to where the large numbers of overpaying, tipping guys don't go yet.[/QUOTE]I remember about 3 years ago or so, in November one of my regulars told me "after the 1st of the year the price is going up from $150 to $200. 00 We had a meeting and we all agreed". I was laughing so hard. I thought it was hilarious. Like they had formed a puta union or something. Of course that price point didn't last. I am fairly confident the 8+'s are going for $150. 00 Most start at $200 but $150 is the price point. If someone is paying $100 or $80 they are getting something less than a 5.

[QUOTE=MiamiKevin;1399027]First thought in my mind, Joey, so I checked with not one but two of the guys who screen the girls at the escalator, it's $20 and it's only charged to Colombian girls, not to any guys or any Panamanian women.[/QUOTE]Visiting again this weekend so I'll investigate also. Hard to believe they would just charge the Colombians an extra $20. Been a semi-regular at Veneto over the years and have never seen this. The Veneto still draws a big crowd on the weekends. Can't believe their profit has dropped.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1399962]I remember about 3 years ago or so, in November one of my regulars told me "after the 1st of the year the price is going up from $150 to $200. 00 We had a meeting and we all agreed". I was laughing so hard. I thought it was hilarious. Like they had formed a puta union or something. Of course that price point didn't last. I am fairly confident the 8+'s are going for $150. 00 Most start at $200 but $150 is the price point. If someone is paying $100 or $80 they are getting something less than a 5.[/QUOTE]That's pretty much exactly what they did- formed a union, and it's been pretty effective. There is no reason on earth any girl in Panama should be getting more than $100. Only because enough guys pay the outrageous figures they ask for is the price what it is. In Colombia you can get the hottest girl around for $60-$70, go to cities the "over-payers" haven't found yet and it's less than $40 for a smoking hot girl. There are even some low-end local places in Panama where you can get the occasion hot girl for $60 an hour. Almost all of 8's and higher will go for $100 if you approach them the right way.