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I overextended my visa by 10 days without renew what is the cost or penalty?
[QUOTE=Sammon][QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Hesekiels,
I know a few place than is better than AC on mongering.
I've been to AC 5 times just not much to do during the day.
The city below that you can get FS for 20 usd or less if you know where to go and qualtiy is better than AC.
Pattaya Thailand Changping dongguan China shenzhen China zhu hai China Jarkata indo Phnom penh Cambodia
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTEPattaya- Thai girls have become more mercenary. It is hard to find GFE
Changping- Chinese girls are generally not good in bed. English is a problem.
Shenzhen- same problem as changping.
Zhu hai- Same problem.
Jakarta- can find some nice girls but requires lot of legwork.
Phnom penh- All the pretty girls have a attitude problem.
Where else you can find thousands of willing girls crammed into 2 square mile area except AC?
Where else you can find barfine includes sex? No need to negotiate.
Where else you see the bars managed very well without cheap scams?
If you want sex round the clock go to Ac.
If you want beach destinations take your favourite girl from AC.
If you want to explore Philippines take a girl from AC without any strings attached.
Nothing beats AC.[/QUOTE]
to Sammon
I do agree that for GFE AC is the best, but the last one I got at the Blue Nile got an attuide.She only stay 4 hr only, offered one shot.
China is a little bit tough for newbie and laowei, but I am Chinese and speak good Mandarin and know where to go.
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Ekspat]20 USD? Let's see.
Okay, can agree somewhat that you might find a good deal for 700 baht.
But some search necessary.
Never been there, since I'm not interested in the China dolls.
Communicaion might be a major problem without Mandarin.
Less than 20 uSD??? Even TC and ST in Stadium is more nowadays.
Somewhere in Jaksa? Yeah, there are some doing it for 200k.
Come on, thats a freak show there.
BlokM? Maybe possible for uglies. But IMHO unlikely for better looking ones.
Or somewhere in the tents near the river banks or the railway tracks?
Yeah, you can get an excellent job there for 50k Rupiah,
but will you go with the girl through the lobby of LeMeridien?
It's a shame since a few years.
Agree, it was fun before 2004 or so, but nowadays?
Even Sophie is closed.
C'mon..... HOD, LeCrc, Shanghai Bar etc is BS as well.
Me in AC now.
I went shopping in SM mall in AC just in the afternoon.
On my way back to LGH I took some SMB in Cherry's Club, Gentlemens Club, TOC and Emotions.
At least 10 immediately barfinable girls there, around 20y/o, no kids, reasonable english speaking, nice boobs, nice attitude.
It took 1 hour.
Can you make it anywhere else?[/QUOTE]
to Ekspat,
I just checked the exchange rate for USD vs IND rupiah" 1 usd is 12k
There are many brothels at Loposari Plaza area, included TC for under 20 USD.
Yes mongering at PP and Pattaya have been going up in price the last few yr but so is p4p cost in AC,I get more GFE from freelance in LA cafe in Manila than anywhere in the world ,the new girl is much better after they are in the business for a few month their atttuide get worst is the same everywhere.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Dcand4]I overextended my visa by 10 days without renew what is the cost or penalty?[/QUOTE]
Hi Dcand4,
My friend always overextends his 21 day visa and just pays the penalty; that is if they even notice. It has happened to me as well. The cost is usually what it would be to extend to a 59 day visa. No worries!
Cherry Girls:
All the girls working in the bars are required to get a health screen, think it is once a week, maybe every two weeks. Not recommending this as a form of safe sex. In that process the girl is designated as Non-virgin or virgin (Cherry Girl). No one would suggest this process of Health screening or designation of virgin/non virgin is 100% fool proof or accurate. Every girl working in the bar is required to wear a badge that identifies her and whether she is authorized to work and also whether she is working as a Cherry Girl. There is no scam about the designation of the girl, either the mamasaun or the badge will tell you before hand what the girl is. If you don't ask or check, well then maybe you are buying drinks for Cherry Girls without your knowledge. Shame on you greenhorn.
Nothing other than drinks are openly for sale. True Cherry Girls, and almost every bar has a couple, may decide to lose their cherry to you if: 1) they like you, 2) you pay the price (generally between 40, 000 to 60, 000 P), 3) they are ready to lose it so they can start doing regular barfines, that is where the money is for them. It generally takes time to get to the finish with a Cherry Girl, long bar fine of days or even weeks, maybe several trips, she falls in love or sees money in a sponsor. Many of the Cherry girls lose it, not for money, but because they see a long-term boyfriend, and give it up for free. You can't just go into a bar as a newbe and ask to buy cherry girls, it does not work like that. But if you really want to pursue one, have the time, potentially the money, you can get one. The asians are big into this. I've not seen the bars scamming with fake cherry girls, the bar will not allow a girl to pretend to be a cherry girl, once they know she is broken, they will force her to change her designation. But when a girl comes to them new, says she is a Cherry girl, behaves like a cherry girl, gets the health screen saying she is a cherry girl (again don't know how accurate that is), then they assume she is. The girls co-workers if they find out she is not Cherry would not keep it secret, Filipina's love to gossip. The bar owner could get shut down for selling fake cherry girls cause they don't have the full health screening as required for the other girls.
Nudity:
As with prostitution nudity is forbidden by law. But most newbe's won't know how to find what they want. Big spenders in the right bars, get the doors closed and the clothes come off. There are events at certain venues where they all get naked. There is nothing as professional as a "strip club" with good pole dancers, etc. No shows like in Pattaya. But if you just want to see naked, its frequent enough if you know where to go and you are not a cheap charlie. The only thing official and openly displayed are the body paint shows, which is kind of nudity. None of the girls in AC would know how to put on a professional strip show.
There are a couple of sites, not allowed to mention here, that have weekly photo's of these events. Its an open secret, just not what you might call a "strip club".
Scams:
Of recent a couple of posters have surfaced who seem intent on painting AC as one big rip off, where the tourists are repeatedly subjected to scams, theft and danger. One suggests there is no sex for sale in AC, that the whole area is set up as one big scam. That comment, if intended, is just plain wrong. More so, it appears to be intentional dis-information perhaps by someone with a social agenda.
I've had girls who did not want to go with me, and it may have cost me a drink to discover that. I can afford the $2. Generally the excuse will be the mens, but almost all girls would tell you that before accepting a barfine. The girls make their "big" money by the barfine. Its also why the Cherry Girls eventually become not cherry girls. The bar owners are not in the business of ripping off their customers. I've seen though, a couple of customers that are absolute pigs, scare the girls to death, have a bad reputation on how they treat the girls on a barfine, and the owners try to discourage those customers from repeat business.
Its not hard to be successful in AC, regardless of your age, physical condition or race. No one can have any girl, any time, but you can have 90% of the girls any time. But presentation helps a little also. How about wearing a nice shirt and long pants. Perhaps being a gentleman, keep your voice down, your language clean, smile and be courteous. Treat the girls with respect when you go out, buy them a drink before you ask them to go out on Barfine. Almost all will tell you of any conditions, no sex, on mens, only bar hopping before you do the barfine.
For the newbe to AC perhaps understanding the girls code will help you be more successful. Do you have family or married or girlfriend--potential boyfriend or sponsor potential. How long are you here--can I get a long time barfine or is it only for one night. The last night is always hell in AC as they know the money ends in the morning and that is when you most likely will get the runners. What hotel are you staying at--they know the hotels, is it a low budget, no money room and bed.
How do you present yourself. Heard the term two week millionaires. If you look well healed, your success rate goes up. Posts that suggest there is no sex for sale in AC, is similar to there is no rice in China. Its pure and simple dis-information. Its not a report of distinction, its crap. If you can't find a one night stand, a GFE, three-some, ST, LT, anal, BBJ, DATY or whatever flips your switch, then there is no hope for you and stay home. I've spent in total many months in AC, I've never been disappointed in the trip, never. I will be there again in May. I've never been scammed or robbed by a bar. I walk down the streets at night, but use good common sense and keep a low profile. Don't be drunk in pubic or in the bar. Don't go off with or talk to street hustlers or street girls. Don't flash money in public places. Watch your bar tab, when they put the paper in the cup on your table. Its all standard stuff for those who have been doing this awhile.
Good fun to you
Matius
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[QUOTE=Benzedrine]Guys,
It's all fun and games in AC, however, there are times when the girls that you select do not hold up their end of the bargain.
Allow me to elaborate. I stayed in Hotel Amsterdam, in the Panorama suite. It's a pretty sizable setup with hot tub living room, bar, kitchen, etc. Therefore, I decided that I needed a few girls to fill up the space.
So I set out to Golden Nile and ended up barfining 4 studly looking lesbians and 4 regular girls.
Two of the girls ended up not being totally down with the girl-on-girl action, so we decided to head down to Blue Nile to select two more girls. Total damage in Blue Nile; 2700 piso.
We stopped at 7-11 and bought some drinks, and also grabbed some food from the shiny new fields McDonalds. Total damage there; 3000 piso.
We get to the hotel, amid looks of horror from the front desk staff. Evidently the hotel only allows 4 guests at a time due to previous bad experiences, but a quick call to the manager for reassurance enables me to take the girls upstairs.
After arriving upstairs, we ate, drank and enjoyed some music for about an hour, upon which I decide to visit the toilet and run the hot tub. When I return to the girls, something did not seem right. I counted my girls again and noticed that I had two missing. Apparently the two girls had left for no apparent reason!
Fast forward to the next evening...2000 sharp, back to Blue Nile! I was at the front door at opening time, ready to kick ass and take some names. Funny thing was, I asked around who the boss was, and nobody could seem to tell me! I finally track down one mamasan that tells me that she was away for a week, and that the mamasan in question does not get in until 2100, along with the girls. I'm told to return at 2300, which gives the mamasan ample time to interview the girls and get their side of the story.
2345.....a few minutes late due to a sexcapade...I am back at Blue Nile. I talk to a large bald headed pinoy gentleman who introduces himself as the head papasan/manager on duty. I explain my story and request my 2700 pesos back. I am told that he empowers his mamasans at the lowest level possible, and that she will make a decision on whether I get my barfine back or not.
I thank the gentleman and head back downstairs to search for my mamasan. I finally track her down after 20 minutes, and ask her if she had a chance to talk to the girls. She reports that Blue Nile is a big place, so she is having some trouble finding the girls. She offers me a choice of two other girls, "easiest course of action" she says, but I decline. How am I going to enjoy two random girls, especially after what just happened?
We confront the girls after an hour. Their story was apparently that I gave them permission to leave, which obviously was a load of baloney. In my presence however, the story changes to my hotel security guard banged on my door and made the girls leave, which is a big fat lie, as I talked to the HOTEL MANAGER on the phone and got permission BEFORE I brought the girls up. Last I checked, manager outranks security guard.
At this point my eyes bug out of my head, but I keep my cool. At this point, if I had my way, i would have my two hands around that little girl's neck, but I have too much to lose, so I control myself.
I offer to take mamasan and the girls to Hotel Amsterdam to verify that the security guard did not indeed kick the girls out. Head mamasan declines, and says that the girls and myself can go and sort it out on our own. I respond with a chuckle and tell mamasan "that's like going to court and being your own prosecutor, of course you win the case!" So I demand that she sends a mamasan to witness the confrontation.
Of course we get to the hotel and the security guard basically confirms that the girls are lying. At that point the girls apologize, to which I reply "I don't want an apology, I just want my money back" Mamasan offers me a free drink. I laugh in her face. I follow them back to the bar and declare that I will not leave until I am compensated.
I am told to wait while they decide. One hour later, I lose my patience and storm up the stairs to the manager's office. I ask him what in the world is going on, because I have been waiting for an hour. He tells me I have to go back downstairs and work it out with mamasan. I tell him, ok, I'll give it one more chance because I am being ignored.
I go downstairs and chase mamasan. She dodges me and tells me I need to find papasan and work it out with him. I tell her, irritatingly, that papasan just sent me back to her, and that I do not appreciate this game of ping pong.
I tell her to come with me and the three of us will talk together to resolve this problem. She tells me to wait, to which I respond "Miss, I have been waiting for 2 hours!" It is also at this point that mamasan loses it and starts yelling in frustration and saying it is not her job.
She runs into the changing room, and does not emerge for 30 minutes. I lose my patience and find the papasan again, and this time I DEMAND that he find this lady and we resolve this NOW.
Papasan tells me that he cannot give me my money back because he has sent it to Blue Nile Group already. I tell him to give me his boss' contact info so he is relieved of the matter. He basically replies that he is afraid of the boss in so many words, but that he would rather give me 2700 piso of his own money just to shut me up.
I am then offered 1200 peso, which alledgedly is the girls' cut. I respectfully decline. At this point it is 3 am, my night is basically finished, and finally I accept 1500 peso and promise a positive review on ISG.com forum.
The verdict: In the end, I have no one to for blame myself for allowing myself to be lied to and cheated, however, the bottom line still lies in the arena of customer service. In Blue Nile there is none.
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Great review ,
I have a question in regards to this type of situation . Who can someone avoid getting ripped off ? I always pay after , i dont know if its accepted in the Philipines
[QUOTE=Matius]Cherry Girls:
All the girls working in the bars are required to get a health screen ...
Matius
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Matius:
that's indeed an excellent evaluation! I do highly appreciate your post!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Cherry girls can be bar fined just as any other girls can. I and friends have paid regular bar fine and FUCKED cherry girls without paying 40, 000 pesos. The mamasans have no say, once the bar fine is paid, and the girl leaves with you nothing they can do. Its between you and the girl, and you can pay a normal BF to get them out of the bars. Just tell the mamasan you're going bar hoping and at most might try for a BJ (which they allow cherry girls to do). What happens then is between you and her.
Yes the girl has to like you, but to me it doesn't seem to take a long time to convince them to lose the cherry, I had one who let me pop the cherry, the second time I saw her. The first night was a night of DFK, drinks and meals and a BJ. Then the next time I saw her it was all mine for the taking.
Believe me you can talk them out of the pootane. These girls (especially newbies) are very gullible, if you have some game about yourself.
Too often mongers only think about paying and forget to try to swoon a babe out of the pussy. JMHO
[QUOTE=Thatguy865]Cherry girls can be bar fined just as any other girls can. I and friends have paid regular bar fine and FUCKED cherry girls without paying 40, 000 pesos. The mamasans have no say, once the bar fine is paid, and the girl leaves with you nothing they can do. Its between you and the girl, and you can pay a normal BF to get them out of the bars. Just tell the mamasan you're going bar hoping and at most might try for a BJ (which they allow cherry girls to do). What happens then is between you and her.
Yes the girl has to like you, but to me it doesn't seem to take a long time to convince them to lose the cherry, I had one who let me pop the cherry, the second time I saw her. The first night was a night of DFK, drinks and meals and a BJ. Then the next time I saw her it was all mine for the taking.
Believe me you can talk them out of the pootane. These girls (especially newbies) are very gullible, if you have some game about yourself.
Too often mongers only think about paying and forget to try to swoon a babe out of the pussy. JMHO[/QUOTE]
Wow!
Eh and you are so special. they like you.
By the way have you been to Angeles?
[QUOTE=X Man]Wonderful post by AV, the expert at all things AC.
"two week millionaires" is in quotes, so where does this come from?
Millionaire? Peso millionaire?
According to XE.com
one million peso is about....
... 21,000 US$
...16,000 euro
...2,000,000 yen
...31,000,000 won
Two weeks in the Philippines and I don't think I've ever spent more than $8,000 (ticket included). Even using yen, which I sometimes do, I don't come close to the two-week millionaire club.
AV, are you Korean?
X[/QUOTE]You ALREADY know that I am an Aussie X-Man.
Jesus! What a pointlessly nit picking argumentative post... I rest my case..
In my country I would give you a mouth full about this crap you go on with but since this is an online forum I remain polite. Im too busy enjoying my life here to give you another thought you silly person.
AV
[QUOTE=Thatguy865]Cherry girls can be bar fined just as any other girls can. I and friends have paid regular bar fine and FUCKED cherry girls without paying 40, 000 pesos. The mamasans have no say, once the bar fine is paid, and the girl leaves with you nothing they can do. Its between you and the girl, and you can pay a normal BF to get them out of the bars. Just tell the mamasan you're going bar hoping and at most might try for a BJ (which they allow cherry girls to do). What happens then is between you and her.
Yes the girl has to like you, but to me it doesn't seem to take a long time to convince them to lose the cherry, I had one who let me pop the cherry, the second time I saw her. The first night was a night of DFK, drinks and meals and a BJ. Then the next time I saw her it was all mine for the taking.
Believe me you can talk them out of the pootane. These girls (especially newbies) are very gullible, if you have some game about yourself.
Too often mongers only think about paying and forget to try to swoon a babe out of the pussy. JMHO[/QUOTE]
Oh boy! you must have a charm of Brad Pitt.
You are full of shit. The girls depend on their so called "cherry" to make some big money from gullible people. It is highly unlikely they will give it for free.
Ofcourse there are many times I have heard a story from them that somebody forcibly took their cherry when they were drunk. I think it is a ruse to make you feel sorry for them and try to get more money. Whether real cherry or not , the purpose is to make money.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Oh boy! you must have a charm of Brad Pitt.
You are full of shit. The girls depend on their so called "cherry" to make some big money from gullible people. It is highly unlikely they will give it for free.
Ofcourse there are many times I have heard a story from them that somebody forcibly took their cherry when they were drunk. I think it is a ruse to make you feel sorry for them and try to get more money. Whether real cherry or not , the purpose is to make money.[/QUOTE]My experiences tally with Sammon.
If you are younger, well groomed, polite & well off you have no problems getting lot'sa sweet fresh pussy voluntarily impaling itself on your 'titi'!
Cherry pricing is just for fleecing cashed up Koreans & Japanese who are there to spend as much money as possible as quickly as possible in their short vacation time.
Hey, the bars are just catering to a need. Its just market forces at work.
If Koreans did'nt fall over themselves to throw fist fulls of pesos at the idea of having sex with a virgin for money then it would not be available.
AV
1. Enter the bar of your choice. Immediately you will be seated and asked about your drink of choice.
2. Look around at all girls including dancing girls , waitresses, mamasans.
3. Sometimes some girls will come and chat with you. They will ask for a drink.
If you like to buy them a drink the charge is 150 or 300 pesos in most bars.
Just say no if you do not want to buy them a drink. It is ok.
4. Start searching for your type of girl. If you find one ask your waitress to
call that girl. The girl will come and sit with you.
5. When you call the girl it is customary to buy her a drink.
6. There are some girls who are "virgins". They are on sale for highest bidder
to deflower them. You can check on this by talking to the waitress or
mamasan.
There is a big debate whether these girls are really virgins which I am not
going to get into. Most young Philippino girls bleed in sex because of the
western penis size or if the lubrication is not enough. Is it an indication
of virgin status? I do not know.
Anyway if you want to deflower the girl the cost is anywhere from 20,000-
100,000 pesos. This is negotiated between you and the girl. Girl gets all
the money but you need to pay the bar before for safekeeping.
7. If you want to take the girl with you it is called barfine or EWR ( early work
release ). The cost is 1000-1500 pesos for many girls. There are spotlight
dancers whose barfine is 3000 pesos.
Just ask the waitress or mamasan and pay.
8. If you do not like the bar or girls pay for drinks and move to the next bar
and repeat the process.
9. It is a silent understanding that your barfine includes sex and companion
ship for the night. You can take her to barhop, dancing or straight to
your room. You are in charge here.
But my advice is if it is not too late take her bar hopping and dancing at
disco. This will kind of break the ice and sex will be better.
10.
There is no such thing as St (short time) . One barfine which is supposedtobe for all night although if the girl leaves after one time sex there is
nothing you can do.
Remember you paid for her EWR only.
If the girl refuses sex at all you can complain to the management of the
bar and try to recoup your money. I have never done that so cannot
give advice.
11. There are literally more than a thousand bargirls in AC. You will always
find the one which you like best.
Thatguy is right. Cherry girls from the bars or non-bar girls can be seduced into giving up their cherry.
What I really hate is when the guy gives any girl, let alone a cherry, a lot of BS false hopes just to get free sex. Almost all of the girls there want a nice guy who will take care of them and their family – their white knight in shining armour or at least help them.
Seduction if it is being nice and romantic and caring is good, but bola bola can be very damaging.
A bargirl I met last month was seduced when she was just 17 by a Westerner into giving up her cherry for free. The guy told her and emailed her stuff like “when we are married” and “I love you” before the deed and also talked about helping her financially.
But after this “guy” got her cherry, his attitude changed and he was very cold. And this girl is really lovely. A classic was an email from him when she did need some money saying that he had bills to pay and would not send money. She was really hurt by this guy. Basically she was scammed.
No wonder the girls get toughened up and want to get the most from a foreigner!
Life is so much better and easier if you are straight with these girls. Last year I started barfining a cherry girl just cos she was such good company and really cute.
I told her at the beginning I was seeing other girls and she was very happy to be barfined so she wouldn’t have to work all night. It worked pretty well. I would have a fun short time and then cuddle up with her at night.
After a few nights the inevitable happened (and yes we discussed it and she wanted). No money was ever discussed.
I was always nice to her and gave her a fair amount of cash plus a camera and computer and some other stuff to help her (she was a student working in the bar for some cash for her school fees).
And to preempt the inevitable kuripot responses, both of those girls were genuine and there was no bola bola from them or me. Sure I enjoy the “benefits” of being with these lovely girls, but I also enjoy helping their lives wherever I can.
What's the point of "playing the game" with a girl in the Philippines and risk hurting her? Is it an ego thing or do some people just enjoy hurting "gullible newbies"?
"Believe me you can talk them out of the pootane. These girls (especially newbies) are very gullible, if you have some game about yourself."
[QUOTE=Victorian]Thatguy is right. Cherry girls from the bars or non-bar girls can be seduced into giving up their cherry.
What I really hate is when the guy gives any girl, let alone a cherry, a lot of BS false hopes just to get free sex.
Seduction if it is being nice and romantic and caring is good, but bola bola can be very damaging.
Sure I enjoy the “benefits” of being with these lovely girls, but I also enjoy helping their lives wherever I can.
[/QUOTE]Yes there is a difference between being nice to them & lying your head off. Guys don't need to lie to them, they just appreciate a little consideration.
I think its really bad karma to run all over the PI 'meeting the parents', stealing the one thing of value they have & then pissing off.
AV