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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1551563]Another chick has two kids and the father is Dominican but lives in Spain. He has a kid there now but no job. She said he was providing better when he was still in DR. I asked how much he sends and she said 70 euro / month but it's not enough. I said how much is enough. She said 12000 pesos. Then she got mad and asked why I'm asking all of this if I'm not going to help her. I said shit for general knowledge. Then she claimed I was playing with her and said that she wants a man who is going to give her what she doesn't have. I jumped in her shit and told her I was not that man. I am never going to give money to a woman. I told her that I know a chick in Santiago who has 3 jobs and she claims she can't get 1? She said if I keep that attitude I won't be able to find anyone. I blew up then and asked her how she could say that when her mindset is that she has to find someone to take care of her instead of finding a job so that she can take care of herself. She is a damn adult. I know over 100 countries and don't know any other culture where women think they have to find a man to pay their bills instead of finding a damn job. It's ridiculous. I told her that my ex girlfriend is a single Dominicana and has two young kids that she takes care of. She told me that if a Dominican woman ever asks you for money then RUN! It's just pure sorriness.[/QUOTE]But one has to ask how the one with three jobs takes care of her children, because that can be a full time job on its own. Presumably she has someone else like a mother who takes care of them while she is at the three jobs. I know a woman here is the US who has 3 kids and works up to about 70 hours a week with overtime, but she could not do this without her mother taking care of the kids including a baby of 6 months of age (obviously very demanding of phyical care, feeding, etc, and two others who have to be dressed for school and fed, etc, supervised, entertained, etc.

We don't know what extended family resources your 2-kid chica can rely on. If she has no marketable skills it very unlikely that she could earn enough to maintain an independent household, plus provide adequately for the kids, buy school supplies, medicines, plus pay for child care when she is at work.

Even in the US poor working women in a similar situation cannot do this without the support of a variety of programs including tax payer supported schooling, free transportation to school, free school meals for the indigent, CHIP, SNAP, Medicaid, EIC, and so on. Are you not aware of all these supports that single mothers get in in the US above the money they work for? These things are not available in the DR.

Obviously you are under no obligation to pay to support her or her children, but the solution is probably for you to either find a woman who is financially independent in the first place or stick strictly to pay for play, because the Dominican women whom you meet online will inevitably be those who don't have paid professions, but those who are looking for relationships that provide them with some kind of financial support for themselves and their children.

E was at one time a pimp, His opinion of women IMHO is quite warped. He has a lack of compassion for poor women. All male female relationships have a strong economic component. Women have always needed a man who provides while they took care of the children. When this model breaks down shit goes real bad fast. If a chica can get a guy to sponsor her she made out. Barring the Easter bunny and Santa that shit is not happening to often. O ya the 160 dollars a month they make will feed you for month.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1551591]But one has to ask how the one with three jobs takes care of her children, because that can be a full time job on its own. Presumably she has someone else like a mother who takes care of them while she is at the three jobs. I know a woman here is the US who has 3 kids and works up to about 70 hours a week with overtime, but she could not do this without her mother taking care of the kids including a baby of 6 months of age (obviously very demanding of phyical care, feeding, etc, and two others who have to be dressed for school and fed, etc, supervised, entertained, etc.

We don't know what extended family resources your 2-kid chica can rely on. If she has no marketable skills it very unlikely that she could earn enough to maintain an independent household, plus provide adequately for the kids, buy school supplies, medicines, plus pay for child care when she is at work.

Even in the US poor working women in a similar situation cannot do this without the support of a variety of programs including tax payer supported schooling, free transportation to school, free school meals for the indigent, CHIP, SNAP, Medicaid, EIC, and so on. Are you not aware of all these supports that single mothers get in in the US above the money they work for? These things are not available in the DR.

Obviously you are under no obligation to pay to support her or her children, but the solution is probably for you to either find a woman who is financially independent in the first place or stick strictly to pay for play, because the Dominican women whom you meet online will inevitably be those who don't have paid professions, but those who are looking for relationships that provide them with some kind of financial support for themselves and their children.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1551582]"Que malo" does not mean "what bad?" It means "what a villain!" or "what a bastard!" "how lousy" or something like that.

You might ask "Cual cosas malas tienes en tu vida?".[/QUOTE]Well seeing the question mark after "que malo" should make the woman think a bit but many would not notice it or know the difference say, with an exclamation mark. Which would lead her to "que malo (que eres)". In general, I agree,"cual cosas malas" rather than "que malo" may obviate such confusion.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1551591]Even in the US poor working women in a similar situation cannot do this without the support of a variety of programs including tax payer supported schooling, free transportation to school, free school meals for the indigent, CHIP, SNAP, Medicaid, EIC, and so on. Are you not aware of all these supports that single mothers get in in the US above the money they work for? These things are not available in the DR.[/QUOTE]When I see the gramophone record of asking DR women to help themselves, I shake my head in disbelief. I find some males here have real short memories. Some went to college thanks to Govt programs and quotas in colleges and not because they scored 1600 on their SAT. Those that could not or did not make college, saw the good life including travel abroad thanks to another popular Government program called the Armed services. When someone who grew personally and professionally thanks to Government handouts becomes a Reaganomics professor, there is something amiss. If nothing else, compassion I thought is a good Christian value, even though I am not a Christian.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1551563]I had to explain to her that just because we are foreigners does not mean we are rich. We have our own bills and our own families (mom, dad, kids, aunts, uncles, cousins) that need help to. How would I look sending money to a chick overseas when I know I have a cousin who I grew up with that is struggling to put food on the table?[/QUOTE]So how much a month are you sending to your cousin? And why do you not post in a public forum suggesting that your cousin gets a job, or two jobs, or food stamps if struggling to eat?

Basically you are endorsing the idea of a person who has some spare money sending it to another who does not, but you are just saying that you prefer to send it to your cousin who you grew up with than to this chica who presumably is giving you sex. Well, it is your money and it is your decision, and you can do what you want with your money, but I am sure you are not posting on some other board to complain about your cousin asking you for money for food, so why complain about Dominican women doing it?

Surely Dominican women are just as likely, or more likely, to have food security issues as your cousin whom I assume must be in the US and able to collect US benefits such as SNAP, EIC, CHIP, AFDC, unemployment benefit, Social Security disability benefit, Medicaid, free school meals, and so on.

Actually, what I am endorsing is the idea that some chick in a foreign country is far down my priority list of the direction my money is going to go. And I can't understand why I wouldn't be way down their list of people to enlist help from when they have family and friends whom they have known way longer than me. And as far as my family is concerned, they would never ask for help (and if they did it would not be as brazenly as these chicas do) , but if I know they need it and I have it, then it is theirs. That is the reason I gave my cousin $200 when we unexpectedly ran into each other the other day. Now if I was to do that with some random chica what is going to happen next week? As I said earlier, it will be some other problem that they will ask their personal walking atm to help out with. It's not like the solicitation will stop after the first donation. That is why I nip that shit in the bud before it can even get started.

What other country do you know of that chicks beg like they do in DR? I was down in Santiago Chile the other day and had not had a chance to change money. My girl bought me a bus pass with $8 worth of credit on it. When I finally changed money I tried to give her the equivalent of $10 to repay her. She refused to accept it. Now if that shit would have happened in DR, first of all I would have been walking because the woman would not have come out of her pocket with anything. And if she did and I went to pay her back, then she would have asked for extra.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1551637]Actually, what I am endorsing is the idea that some chick in a foreign country is far down my priority list of the direction my money is going to go. And I can't understand why I wouldn't be way down their list of people to enlist help from when they have family and friends whom they have known way longer than me. And as far as my family is concerned, they would never ask for help (and if they did it would not be as brazenly as these chicas do) , but if I know they need it and I have it, then it is theirs. That is the reason I gave my cousin $200 when we unexpectedly ran into each other the other day. Now if I was to do that with some random chica what is going to happen next week? As I said earlier, it will be some other problem that they will ask their personal walking atm to help out with. It's not like the solicitation will stop after the first donation. That is why I nip that shit in the bud before it can even get started.

What other country do you know of that chicks beg like they do in DR? I was down in Santiago Chile the other day and had not had a chance to change money. My girl bought me a bus pass with $8 worth of credit on it. When I finally changed money I tried to give her the equivalent of $10 to repay her. She refused to accept it. Now if that shit would have happened in DR, first of all I would have been walking because the woman would not have come out of her pocket with anything. And if she did and I went to pay her back, then she would have asked for extra.[/QUOTE]Not so long ago you said you had a girlfriend in the DR who was financially independent and didn't ask you for anything.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1551791]Not so long ago you said you had a girlfriend in the DR who was financially independent and didn't ask you for anything.[/QUOTE]That would be the ex girlfriend I mentioned who said to get away as fast as you can if a Dominicana asks you for money. I recently broke up with her because I get tired of hearing "I feel so alone." It's not just her; I hear that from many women. Still friends though and she still wants us to be together. Just yesterday: No te imaginas las ganas q tengo de estar contigo.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1551810]That would be the ex girlfriend I mentioned who said to get away as fast as you can if a Dominicana asks you for money. I recently broke up with her because I get tired of hearing "I feel so alone." It's not just her; I hear that from many women. Still friends though and she still wants us to be together. Just yesterday: No te imaginas las ganas q tengo de estar contigo.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is really strange how a lot of these Dominican women who are on international lonely hearts Web sites are either lonely, horny, or looking for money or a visa to leave the island. Who'd have thunk it? Great job in using so much of your invaluable time researching and identifying this transnational social problem!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1551937]Yeah, it is really strange how a lot of these Dominican women who are on international lonely hearts Web sites are either lonely, horny, or looking for money or a visa to leave the island. Who'd have thunk it? Great job in using so much of your invaluable time researching and identifying this transnational social problem![/QUOTE]La vida es asi señor!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1551637]What other country do you know of that chicks beg like they do in DR? I was down in Santiago Chile the other day and had not had a chance to change money. My girl bought me a bus pass with $8 worth of credit on it. When I finally changed money I tried to give her the equivalent of $10 to repay her. She refused to accept it. Now if that shit would have happened in DR, first of all I would have been walking because the woman would not have come out of her pocket with anything. And if she did and I went to pay her back, then she would have asked for extra.[/QUOTE]I do not disagree with your assessment, the sense of entitlement Dominican women have is astonishing. Could be 100% flawed mentality, or 100% economic necessity (poverty). Or more likely 80/20 mix.

However, I will say that to my knowledge and experience, there is also no other countries where a foreigner who does not speak the language and is on a short vacation can have as much access to the local women.

These two factors go hand in hand. It's not important to find out whether the chicken or the egg came first.

I'll take it as what it is. As long as my middle-aged, no-game ass can get on the playing field I handle the curve balls coming my way. Versus another country where I may not get on the playing field at all. Again, I'm speaking as a foreigner who has little command of the local language and is short on time. Mr E you have more game than me.

Gents, I am enjoying this back and forth here especially between Mr. E and Frannie.

I kinda understand Mr. E's frustration with the constant money requests and the playing of the sad violin. Etc.

But maybe Mr. E is partly to blame for choosing the company of single mothers. Maybe it is not like that with college students or college age females who have no kids. Idk, never been to the DR. But planing on it.

Or maybe where in the DR you are has something to do with it. I know in Havana girls are like that but you go to the provinces and they are so happy and content with your kindness and simple gifts and some money.

Also, it could be that Dominicanas are more exposed to materialistic American / western popular culture that they subconsciously dream about it and when an American comes she sees: Better restaurants, brand name items, better transportation. Etc.

Mr. E, I have to tell you though, if you are sick of them looking at you as their salvation you have to think they are also sick of us looking at them as our hit it and quit it!

God, I hope it's not all as bad as mr. E makes it to be!

The average DR female that finds a job makes 160 dollars a month for working 6 days a week. Finding these terrible jobs is a great challenge. Most have is least one child by age 18 many as early as 15. DR men can fuck 14 and 15 yeAR OLD girls with impunity. From their perspective we are all very wealthy. We have the ability to solve all their financial problems. I know I am getting the pussy because I have money which is not a problem, for me.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0; 1552421]Gents, I am enjoying this back and forth here especially between Mr. E and Frannie.

I kinda understand Mr. E's frustration with the constant money requests and the playing of the sad violin. Etc.

But maybe Mr. E is partly to blame for choosing the company of single mothers. Maybe it is not like that with college students or college age females who have no kids. Idk, never been to the DR. But planing on it.

Or maybe where in the DR you are has something to do with it. I know in Havana girls are like that but you go to the provinces and they are so happy and content with your kindness and simple gifts and some money.

Also, it could be that Dominicanas are more exposed to materialistic American / western popular culture that they subconsciously dream about it and when an American comes she sees: Better restaurants, brand name items, better transportation. Etc.

Mr. E, I have to tell you though, if you are sick of them looking at you as their salvation you have to think they are also sick of us looking at them as our hit it and quit it!

God, I hope it's not all as bad as mr. E makes it to be![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1552421]God, I hope it's not all as bad as mr. E makes it to be![/QUOTE]I hate to tell you my man but it is just as bad as Mr E and other have warning. The upside is as Parkinson said there a lot of available young, Spanish and African descent, puta ready P4P. Mr. E has a big problem. He fucks with chicks all round the world. He's a chameleon. (Who goes to the DR with 0 hotel plan and is willing to sleep at the chica cheap ass room with her Aunt in the bed for the night.) What Balls! He almost fucked the Aunt. But even he can't hide from the DR downsides. When the average America gets over there we are in hog heaven. Because all we know is America and the DR. P4P ain't so great in the US. That's why we are in the DR. Some of us only know Sosua and are good with that. When I am on DC the average chica 25 is looking for a man 30-70. This is not Kansas. They are fishing for the Golden White Horse that can take them to economical freedom. These young 18, 19, 20 etc years think they have hit the jackpot when they get the interest of the land of the free- home of Obama American. Hell almost any nationality will due accept Haitian. Most of us are only Trojan horses. The ones that are not get played. There are a few successful stories but they are far in between. I complain too, but if I have take my $100 dollars in pennies- call me Ray Charles.

Mr. E is right about Dominican women incessantly asking for money. It never ends whether you have a "good girl (ie. Not a hooker)" or a "bad girl". Let me explain and others can learn from me as I have dealt with both types (still am).

As some of you may recall from my post last year (I think in Sosua thread) I had a girl I pulled out of the streets of Sosua. Spent alot of money on her and her four kids. Paid her rent, food, light bill everything. Would go every two weeks and see her and bring her 200-300 dollars worth of stuff from Wal-Mart (the things everyone in life needs). You would think she would be happy as pie.

This girl would still ask for money and minutes on her phone atleast 5 times a week. You would think that if you were sending someone money that they would atleast spend 100 pesos of it and top up there phone rather than asking me to use eztop to put minutes on their phone. I was going to Western Union so much the cashiers knew my name! It was ridiculous. It was unlike anything I had ever seen. Thai women were not that bad (and I lived in Thailand). This girl and all her friends were pre programmed to constantly demand money and things. I finally got fed up with her the day she demanded I give her 1k to fix her car. Between the constant money demands, her bad attitude, and the horrible place she lived (Boca Chica) I blocked her number and whatsapp and moved on. To this day every few months she will send me a whatsapp from a different phone number. I just delete and move on.

Fast forward to today. I have a gf in Santo Domingo. I like having a gf but I want my P4P also. Nevertheless I got her a house in Santo Domingo (rented for 7k pesos) after seeing and visiting her in that wretched apartment she was living in. She had no electricity 90% of the time and bathing with a bowl and all that stuff. Where the house is now it always has electricity and I bought her the water tank for the top of the house so she always has water. Got her a new fridge (the one she had before-and this is funny-it had no hinges on it and each time she opened it she had to use tape to close it back). Got her cable. Send her money for food. She is set. She's a "good girl". Met her through Tagged, she goes to church alot, sexy as hell and is very cautious (initially) about asking for money. Never had a problem out of her.

Now the problem is she knows if she ask for money she will get it. For example she recently asked for money for food. Ok I sent her 4k pesos. That night when I talked to her via Skype she pointed out the day before she had bought new paintings. Paintings? You don't have food and you bought paintings?

I had told her she was responsible for paying the internet and the electricity. I did this to give her a sense of responsibility. She has never payed either because she never has the money despite the fact that every time I visit there is something new (and irrelevant) she has purchased. And what has she bought me in the year I have been with her? 2 shirts. Now her family, who I have grown to dislike, realizes that the rich gringo is around so they are always asking her to ask me to buy things for them. In addition when I leave they all show up to use or eat or drink whatever I have brought her from the States. Now that she has cable they all show up to watch tv. Her dad, who I bought a phone for, will not travel the 10 minutes by motorbike to say hello to me when I am in town yet when I leave he shows up the next day to watch cable.

My girl works in a hair salon and I know for example she had about 10 clients this past weekend. Yet she called me today asking for more money for food.

My point is Mr. E is right. Whether you get a good or bad Dominican girl she (and her family) will constantly fleece you and beg for money. It will never ever stop. I am now trying to get out of this situation with the girl I am with now because I am tired of sending money let alone the airplane tickets and taxis in addition to the money I spend when I am there. No matter what morally I am on the hook for a year to pay the rent because I moved her out of her hell hole into a house. Still trying to figure out how to let this girl go because she does love me a great deal.

Moral of the story. Be like Mr E. Have sex with them. And then leave them. No money. If you do it the request will never end. And you will get nothing for it.