Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1969992]I agree completely. Its easy to get a non fetish 3 some or 4 some, but Thai girls in general are not that kinky to do the fetish stuff. So special clubs for it are best.

I know great girls for bisexual 3 somes but they show no signs of being really kinky.

Girls at Eden do the strap ons and stuff but I thought their acting skills were pretty weak when I tried. I. e. They are paid to do certain routines but but I don't detect eagerness.

I will take a 3 some soon but my specs are different. I just need a 3rd girl with good tits who likes both dick and pussy. A lot easier to meet this criteria at Suzie Wong bar most likely, using one of the lesbian show girls. Anne and Pat have big tits so perhaps one of those two. Unfortunately many of the lesbo show girls have small tits.

Hancuffs should be for the customer. Girls would be very wary of wearing them. Bargirls have been murdered by Psycho guys before in Hotel rooms.[/QUOTE]They really don't get seduction or eroticism either. This was evident to me from day 1 in Thailand. But they were cheap, plentiful, and available. That is why I always say they are all still worth about 1 k Baht ST.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1970036]No, I am on the falangs side on this one. 80 baht for pad ka prao? It's a scam, she wouldn't have ordered it knowing it costs roughly 2 x the price it should. It also sets a proper examlpe: working girls are employees, not girlfriends. This isn't date night, and you shouldn't be paying for diner. They're working girls, treat as employees. With respect, but with barriers. These issan farm girls are so used to walking all over white men and japs.[/QUOTE]Agree with Parkville 100%. Did she ask him if he would pay before she ordered, or did she just assume? If did not ask; serves her right. Yep, they are not dates.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1969318]I agree that romance is greatly over rated and brings few benefits, certainly does not seem to bring a great sex life.

I am a sex addict and so I need a lot of sex, and preferably of a good quality, and preferably from girls with well above average face and body looks. The looks seem to enhance my excitement greatly and make it easier to cum. From a single girlfriend, it is very hard to get sex consistently frequently for many years even if quality is good. Hence forced into P4 P or Giks.
[/QUOTE]Well the first step is admitting it. But seriously, the problem with that kind of addiction is that it is a rabbit hole. You have to keep digging deeper and deeper to fool your mind. I think taking a 6 month hiatus, go fishing / etc, will allow your mind to reset. Don't jerk off to porn either or you'll just be feeding the addiction. 6 months to reset, you'll find you pop much sooner, it's more enjoyable, and all kinds of girls are more attractive. In fact, I kind of want to get out of Thailand and come back just for that reason. Everyone says Thailand is worst in 10 years, nothing like the good old days. It's because their sex addiction is destroying their lifes. Got to give it a break, alternate your hobbies. Take up gambling or heroin (just kidding) then switch back.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1969557]I had the idea there was a BJ bar there and strolled up and down looking for it. By the 3rd pass, some of the girls out front were getting pissed at me passing them by, and one in front of After Skool shouted something at me that I am was not nice at all. [/QUOTE]Karma is a *****.

After Skool is the bar that is closest to a BJ bar in Soi Cowboy. They have the "naughty boys corner" in the back of the bar, where you can get your BJ. Not a separate or closed-off space, just a bit out of obvious sight and thus definitely not for the shy among us!

I'm not shy at all and although a BJ does not need luxurious surroundings, I find this a bit too much on the sleezy side to really enjoy it.

[QUOTE=BellBottomsDJ;1969894]I have never been to Thailand before, but I am considering going early next year to see what it is all about. I have a couple questions that I have not been able to find much detail about and if anyone can advise or point me in a direction, that would be great. If a solo guy is looking to find two girls at a time (maybe even 3), and having them go to my hotel or and basically act out a porn show with handcuffs and double dildos (haha) for example, is this something that can be commonly found? Is it just a matter of asking the first girl you would meet in a gogo or bar and tell her you are interested in her and a friend or another girl I would pick out and telling her exactly what you want? Just curious.[/QUOTE]I think the language barrier would make it quite difficult to arrange that. Handcuffs and double dildoes are most certainly not household items for common Thai bargirls.

Your best bet is probably to go to Eden Club and talk to management. They have lots of "toys" and their girls (if they can still be called "girls" as most are well beyond a "girlie" age) don't seem too shy to play out some pretty kinky scenarios. Dildo-play is probably one of their more innocent pass-times.

A biit of general advice for the "Thailand virgin" you are.

Sex is very easy to come by in Thailand, but 99% of it is of the most common "one boy - one girl" variety. Manual and oral foreplay, followed by full vaginal sex in the usual positions. Nobody ever made a statistic of it of course, but I'm guessing that most mongers still go for the missionary position, followed by some doggy-style and (when we are lazy or tired) some cowgirl. Nothing kinky or out of the kamasutra. Three or more-somes, orgies, gangbangs, playing with toys, BDSM, dress-up parties, . . . are not at all easy to come by in Thailand. For that kind of fun, Germany seems a better destination.

Just to give you one more example. Working girls have of course been exposed to our western style of sex and will not be surprised if you wish to lick their pussy, but with every Thai girlfriend I had, they were very reluctant at first to have their pussy licked. It doesn't seem something Thai boyfriends like to do, or at least not well and in any case not for more than a few licks. It took some persuading to convince them that I could make them cum by oral foreplay alone. Just to say that you should not project your Western porn ideas on to the Thailand scene. The beauty of the Thai sex scene is its simplicity and down-to-earth character; not its sophistication or kinkiness. If you are looking for those things, you will be disappointed.

[QUOTE=BellBottomsDJ;1969894]I have never been to Thailand before, but I am considering going early next year to see what it is all about. I have a couple questions that I have not been able to find much detail about and if anyone can advise or point me in a direction, that would be great. If a solo guy is looking to find two girls at a time (maybe even 3), and having them go to my hotel or and basically act out a porn show with handcuffs and double dildos (haha) for example, is this something that can be commonly found? Is it just a matter of asking the first girl you would meet in a gogo or bar and tell her you are interested in her and a friend or another girl I would pick out and telling her exactly what you want? Just curious.[/QUOTE]No first hand experience; but two fetish clubs in Bangkok are Demonia and BarBar, and in Pattaya there is The Castle.

SL.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1969671]My single biggest turn off is negotiation. I don't know how people do it. If a girl quotes me an unusually high price, I am instantly turned-off; it's almost a feeling of disgust. However, some of you handle it like studs. Mongers are a diverse set of individuals.[/QUOTE]I used to hate it, too. Then, after a few times of success with it, in fact, more success with it than without it, a Pavlov's Dog thing kind of took over. Knowing that if I play this little "game" many Thai P4 P girls like to test you with in the beginning, the process of getting the results I wanted were well on their way. That meant, and I am not kidding, my dick now knows where this little conversation is likely to lead and he more often than not begins to actually perk up as I launch into my usual reply and counteroffer. And there aren't many. It is a very short and sweet negotiation. Something like this:

Her: "3,000, Short Time. ".

Me: (with a slightly pained look on my face) "Oh, pang pang (expensive). (I give it a moment of thought, looking at her like I am studying whether she would be worth any baht at all) "Sweet Nam, if a lady did abc for me, then we did xyz, I would give her 2,500 baht. Will you do that for me?"

That's about it, really. "abc" and "xyz" pretty much represents the same fantasy dream result for me on the sexual level that her 3,000 baht request represents to her on the financial level. Now it is her turn. She might say yes to almost all of it. In fact, that is the response at least 50% of the time and my dick has learned that to be the case from experience. So now he likes to hear her say her words and me say my words and he enjoys waiting for the girl's reply instead of retreating in anxiety, fear or shame over it. Even if she is up for half of what I include in my very short and to the point list, my dick is happy to wait for it. Hell, even if she says no to all of it, my dick now knows it is just a matter of asking the next girl and we're on our way. Rarely does the process require discussing this with a third girl on a given night but even then it isn't a big deal.

Some might say only countering with 2,500 in this particular example instead of, say, 2,000 (or even less!) is poor gamesmanship in a negotiation. You know, we're supposed to reply very low and then meet in the middle and all that. But my feeling is I am not using this negotiation moment to save money or strike a memorable bargain basement score. If the girl said yes to all of it, it would make zero difference to my peace of mind to pay even her full 3,000 baht asking price vs something as low as 1,500 baht.

No, I am using this moment to tell her what I want from her sexually if I am going to pay her anything at all. And by not lowballing ridiculously from her initial dream request, the message is we are in the ballpark for both of us getting what we want tonight so this "negotiation" is not going to take more than a few more seconds, which is my preference. And it informs her that it is the level of service that matters to me, not saving 500 or even 1000 baht on some tedious standard level of service that, she could well assume based on my long searching look at her before I made my counter offer, might not even be worth 1,500 baht to me on this night from this girl. IMO, that is how you pass whatever "test" a P4P girl is throwing at you with a high initial asking price for an, at that point, unknown and unspecified level of service.

ET,

Your post made me go back and check the original post. I see he did not discuss negotiation beyond the money now. A very brief negotiation does not concern me too much, like what you refer to. It is not a big turn off if brief.

I had originally assumed the negotiation he referred to would be protracted and include discussions all the details of exactly which things would be done in the room. Perhaps that was not intended.

I have bever been a great discussor of services in advance, but am starting to consider adding that for certain situations where girls are not likely to provide DFK if not agreed to. I don't like to negotiate services.

So simply if she wants the business DFK should be included rather than avoided. I think if a girl is happy to suck dick, then sucking my tongue a little too is fairly harmless.

[QUOTE=Axiata;1969976]Spent a few days in Bangkok and tried a few different hunting grounds. First night did the Soi Cowboy thing and visited Cowboy 2. Usual group a girls and while there were a lot to try and take my cash, few caught the eye enough for me to buy. Headed out to Climax instead. Found the crowd there to be very disappointing and the quality somewhat under par. Finally met a familiar face that saved the night. One thing I did notice was that the girls of quality all rolled in around 3 am and I suspect that they were looking for their second or third customer for the night. Took my familiar face back for a great GFE that made the first night worthwhile.

The second day I spent in Hilary 2. Good bar with some pretty faces. Played pool all day and managed to get a few numbers for the next trip. Headed out at night to the line up at Thermae. My observations confirmed a very heavy Asian male presence and the girls very much favoring them over non Asians. Did manage to talk to a few but the feedback was that Asian is their flavor. Left Thermae feeling that it is likely to become an exclusive Asian pickup bar. Went to Mixx and found the quality of the girls there to be much superior to anything else. A lot of eye candy and dressed to thrill. Found a cute Thai girl that was built to perform. Took her back for what turned out to be a great night that lasted into the later part of the day...[/QUOTE]Hi Axiata,

Thank you for an informative report. Too bad with Thermae I'm into the Japanese look myself so I too regret their bias towards non-Asians.

Any tips on how to close the deal at Mixx? I'm not very comfortable in clubs so I normally avoid them, but I have had trouble finding nice girls for overnight stays in Bangkok so I am willing to give it a go.

You left out info on prices, was that on purpose?

Thanks again for tips.

I definitely meant a protracted negotiation. Two or three sentences about what will happen isn't a negotiation to me, it's just agreeing to a service. If it takes more than 60 seconds though, I'm disgusted by the whole affair.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1970160]I have bever been a great discussor of services in advance, but am starting to consider adding that for certain situations where girls are not likely to provide DFK if not agreed to. I don't like to negotiate services.

So simply if she wants the business DFK should be included rather than avoided. I think if a girl is happy to suck dick, then sucking my tongue a little too is fairly harmless.[/QUOTE]Yes, Syzy, I just went with the assumption that the original post was about negotiating price and not for quality or level of service because that seems to be the predominant if not the only factor mentioned whenever someone says they negotiated with a P4 P girl. It seems almost always to be about "How much?" and rarely if ever ALSO about "For what?" And that is a bad sign, imo. Maybe we didn't have to spell out certain important acts with these girls in the past because we and they just assumed, correctly, that that is what makes for a good sexual experience. But that was then and this is now. And these days I think so many customers just worry about scoring a victory on the cost as though the "For what?" they are paying for does not matter. Consequently, the girls have every reason to assume that whatever she doles out to him in the room in fact does NOT matter.

Well, much more often than not, it does matter to me. So I am now on the "spell it out" plan UNLESS, as I have alluded to before, I am so smitten by a girl that I am willing to pay whatever it takes get her in my room and give Good Luck a shot with the help of some dedicated DATY and would honestly not feel ripped off if it turned out she is a total dud when it comes to my pleasures. After all, if I have not spelled out with a girl the "For what?" part of the deal and we only settled on the "How much?" part, there is technically no such thing as my getting ripped off by a girl who won't do this, won't do that, cannot do this and would rather die than do that. Buyer beware and no refunds allowed in that case. Still, sometimes I can see not even giving a certain girl the chance or reason to say "no" in a bar when the payoff for her to potentially feel more comfortable in saying "yes" in the room is worth it.

I also wanted to help dispel any newbie impressions that negotiating both price AND quality or level of service with these girls means some long, drawn out, complex back and forth discussion sure to put off anyone who hoped to have sex at all that night. It doesn't have to be and it shouldn't be. If DFK and / or CIM is important to someone, just mention that those are the kinds of things you would be willing to pay the 3,000 baht she stated for or, better yet, a number lower than that. Same with LT vs ST, covered vs uncovered, whatever is an important element to you and then some. The "and then some" being an item or two that you would be happy to get that night but in reality are expendable items in the brief negotiation if it is an absolute no go for the girl. In my case, that is almost always LT vs ST. I throw LT into the 2-3 things I would be willing to pay baht for tonight but truth be told I really don't need her to stay LT all that much and, if something in my short list of requests gets eliminated in order for her to feel that she won one for her side, that's the one I am most agreeable to letting her eliminate.

But I must say a couple more things about the superior "How much?" and "For what?" combination negotiation. One is to do it with a smile (after registering a pained look in response to her initial baht number request, that is. LOL) as though this very brief discussion about money and 2-3 specific acts you would expect for the money is fun, not going to tear you or her up emotionally, just something to put out there and get it over with as quickly as possible so we can get on with the physical pleasures of it all. And, two, whenever you cite the 2-3 things you want her to do for you this night, close it with "Will you do that for me?" and WAIT for an actual audible "Yes" reply. Don't say "This is what I want tonight" and then accept a smile, a slight head nod, a really big head nod or any combination of those behaviors as a "Yes" reply. She does not count them that way and neither should you. A clear and unambiguous "Yes" is the only answer that actually (might) means yes in the Thai girl's' mind, nothing else.

Remember, that is how they speak to one another, it is built into their language; "mai?" at the end of their sentences is there for a reason. They are literally asking the other person to clearly state whether the thing they just said to them is true or not, agreed to or not, will be done or not. However subtle, they are a bit more confrontational about getting a clear answer to a yes or no question than many of us in the Western world are. So make sure you tack our version of "mai?" at the end of our sentences about whether they will do a thing or not and wait for a clear and unambiguous "yes" reply to it. Otherwise, you should not be surprised if she tells you later that she never agreed to such a thing. LOL.

The best experiences I have had are the ones where there was no discussion of price or services upfront. An experienced monger will learn how to see the signs of a starfish or bad service provider. For example asking for payment upfront or being too over the top all over you and extrememly effectiomate or dirty in the club or bar. These are all tell tail signs of a dud. Of course nobody is perfect at this and I have made some bad judgement calls in the past but there is an easy fix for that with minimal loss. If I end up with a dud, I cut her lose with only taxi money by calling off the session. You may be out taxi money and a bar fine if she came from a Go go bar but you saved yourself the fee and a lot of regret after a lousy session.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1970369]The best experiences I have had are the ones where there was no discussion of price or services upfront. An experienced monger will learn how to see the signs of a starfish or bad service provider. For example asking for payment upfront or being too over the top all over you and extrememly effectiomate or dirty in the club or bar. These are all tell tail signs of a dud. Of course nobody is perfect at this and I have made some bad judgement calls in the past but there is an easy fix for that with minimal loss. If I end up with a dud, I cut her lose with only taxi money by calling off the session. You may be out taxi money and a bar fine if she came from a Go go bar but you saved yourself the fee and a lot of regret after a lousy session.[/QUOTE]The problem with that is the dud doesn't know why she was a dud unless she had agreed to something she didn't deliver. So if you never asked her to deliver anything in particular, she has no reason to believe she didn't fulfill her side of the deal. She'll just chalk it up to either bad chemistry or you ripped her off instead of the other way around. In fact, never the other way around. Yes, the best experiences are when nobody talks about money or the exchange of any particular service. And that certainly works fine when it works out great but not so fine when it doesn't. For me, that would be the "smitten" thing I mentioned in my previous post.

But to approach the current Thai P4 P scene with a "whatever happens for whatever amount of money is all good" attitude is, imo, asking for a lot of money to be spent for rather crappy service and to contribute to this notion that whatever they deliver in the room no matter how crappy is "all good", too. YMMV of course.

I have also had the reverse of what you described. Watched and experienced some of the usual bad signs in the bar, but the girl was really hot so I hit her with my "For what?" style of negotiations figuring that was the only way I'd take her anyway and she said yes. The result was she meant it too. And then I had a great time with a girl I thought was hot but might never have been willing to take my chances with otherwise. Also, then if she hadn't delivered, I had the obvious ethical excuse to boot her out with only taxi fare. Otherwise, I wouldn't.

After seeing Liverpool go down 4 to 3, I decided to look in a few bars, not really intending to take a girl away unless I was too weak to resist, since already visited Mango earlier.

In hindsight, the choice of day may not have been good since today is a holiday (King's birthday). Traffic in Bangkok even from Saturday night has been extremely light in that I got from On Nut to Sathorn early Sat evening in 20 minutes.

Anyway first stop was Crazy House. Not a huge line up but it was pretty good standard at 10.30 PM or 11 PM, I forget. I liked the look of 133 and 93, and one other maybe 144 (who just returned from a ST I guess). I had to admit that even some of the tit jobs on display were fairly good jobs not over bulging on the top.

93 is the very slim sleek sexy girl with cute nose and small tits. She remembered me, and came over to talk. Her name was Jan (or Jun meaning depending how you like to spell it and means "the moon") and comes from Surin. Originally I was not clear that she was Thai as her Thai was hard to understand (loud music) and English also. Anyway seems she speaks Thai, Issan, English, Issan Khmer, and also Suay ( a bit).

I was undecided about pulling the trigger (very cautious these days) so allowed her to move to another guy that was interested after her dance set. I put her down as a probable for the future. Definitely her body is a big turn on for me (nude) and face very acceptable. Way hotter than all MP girls spotted today.

Moved to Nana Carpark. My possible girl was not there today. Her friend said she was very drunk last night. Went looking in Mercury for my skinny newbie Coyote girl who was also missing. Mercury line up was down from previous visit. Can't expect too much late on a Sunday before the holiday.

Went to Twisters. It was also down from previous visits. No girl was really grabbing my attention today. First set girls were very over dressed. Wearing bras and knickers underneath the bikinis. I asked the waitress (known to me) why they wear so many layers. The waitress was in a playful mood so indicated that they all would have big tits sag if did not have multi layers to hold the tits up. Just a joke of course, perhaps true for some. 2nd set had a few topless girls. This was better but still nothing stunning.

A quick peak in Rainbow 5 confirmed as from previous visits that the look of girls in there is very much the same as Baccara, with lots of surgeries and girls trying to look westernised. It does not work for me at all this look. The other bars I visited did not have this very fake alien or doll like look. So I know RB5 is for some guys, but definitely not for me.

Moved on to Billboard. The rotating stage line up was diabolical. I was shocked at how plain or ugly the girls were, compared to previous visit a few months back. I reminded myself that the good lookers would have been BFed earlier. One girl with see through top had great tits but her face did not measure up. Very flat nose. I am quite fussy about the whole package.

In the suds bath, two or 3 young things looked good. 795 looked very like CH 93 but tits were even less, to almost non existent. Her nearby friend 793 also looked cute with more tits, and another with good tits had okay Face. The later it got, the worse each bar line up was.

There was quite a party atmosphere at Billboard despite the crappy line up, with a group of Indian customers dancing around. Some customers were tossing wads of 20 Baht notes into the air causing pandemonium and others tossing ping pong balls. I don't subscribe to these behaviours really, but cash is better for girls than ping pong balls. I buy girls a drink or hand them cash tips, the girls I like, not indiscriminate money flinging which seems to be showing off. Thais also can consider mis treatment of money as showing disrespect to the image of the King, if they are extremely picky.

I remind myself 9 PM is the latest that I should come to bars if I want to see the best girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1970376]The problem with that is the dud doesn't know why she was a dud unless she had agreed to something she didn't deliver. So if you never asked her to deliver anything in particular, she has no reason to believe she didn't fulfill her side of the deal. She'll just chalk it up to either bad chemistry or you ripped her off instead of the other way around. In fact, never the other way around. Yes, the best experiences are when nobody talks about money or the exchange of any particular service. And that certainly works fine when it works out great but not so fine when it doesn't. For me, that would be the "smitten" thing I mentioned in my previous post.

But to approach the current Thai P4 P scene with a "whatever happens for whatever amount of money is all good" attitude is, imo, asking for a lot of money to be spent for rather crappy service and to contribute to this notion that whatever they deliver in the room no matter how crappy is "all good", too. YMMV of course.

I have also had the reverse of what you described. Watched and experienced some of the usual bad signs in the bar, but the girl was really hot so I hit her with my "For what?" style of negotiations figuring that was the only way I'd take her anyway and she said yes. The result was she meant it too. And then I had a great time with a girl I thought was hot but might never have been willing to take my chances with otherwise. Also, then if she hadn't delivered, I had the obvious ethical excuse to boot her out with only taxi fare. Otherwise, I wouldn't.[/QUOTE]Yes, seems that more and more we mongers are leaving with a bit less than satisfied and much lighter in the wallet. Agree, if we don't communicate what we want and don't express dissatisfaction, then performance will continue to decline.

Which brings me to expectations. If I were to layout the money many dudes are to GoGo gals these days; what would my expectations be? I recently read a report on the Dubai forum that I will link to here. This is spot on what I want from a P4 P gal. And it is really hard to come by with Thai gals. But again, for close to 125 USD when all is said and done; it should be what we all demand.

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