Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2725998]Whole theory on depression, low serotonin, has come under fire lately. I took Prozac for weight loss one time, and it didn't do much good with weight but I had a hard time getting hard. Then I took fenfluramine for weight and could not cum. I could fuck for days and days. Both pills supposedly raise serotonin but the effects were as different as you could imagine.

The funny part is when a Colombiana stole one of my Viagra. When we fucked, she had an orgasm where she screamed so loud I think she broke glass. I am not sure if it was a placebo effect or not, but they do make pink viagra type pills in India. I cannot imagine the FDA approving a pill for enhanced orgasm but if they did, maybe women would not have to take so many pills for depression and anxiety.[/QUOTE]OK, you have to share links to this pink viagra!

There has been talk about girls falling for their "john's". I feel sorry for these girls, for they have forgotten to keep in mind that the act they get from the man is fake. It's the same situation than when a guy falls for their paid girl, but he big difference is that the paying client. Who becomes a non-paying client. Is willing to take advantage of the situation and keep the act going, without compensation. Girls won't do it, they either will want to have the payment or they will be nice persons and cut it off.

It's no surprise that a girl can fall for a guy in paid situation, because people fall for each other all the time. Man can remind them of their father, their brother, their uncle, or their ex. Or the guy they never had, but wanted to have. Or the man represents the culturally adopted ideas that the girl fancies about a man. Or, the man is like a mirror image for the girl, being such a personality that they resemble each other or fit together as a hand and a glove. These are the seeds that will start to grow, when given the chance. And when the girl is promised to have money for spending time with a man, there comes the chance. It can't be pre-planned, it just happens if it happens. But as you know, the more years you spend with your regular, the more it becomes a possibility that you will start to have a place in her fantasy life. Surely, or at least hopefully, it's just a passing phase. For example, thinking about if she should choose you to be the father for her child. But since we are all so human, these things happen. Otherwise it would be just cold, robotic meetings with nothing but acting.

I have noticed that after the initial 'crush phase' fades out, the arrangement can get back to normal. To make this happen is to not change anything in the relationship. Not to feed the wishes and fantasies and hopes of the girl. Otherwise, it will become the doom of the relationship. Maybe some would like to have that brief time of being in a relationship with a young hot girl, rather than keep her as a regular for years to come or at least as long as she is available. Well, each to his own. I have found so few girls to be such that I will not get bored to have sex with them, that I hope selfishly that they'd stay available for five more years rather than go start a family.

Now, I don't use SeekingArrangements. I've preferred amateurs, who have had an ad somewhere, but not where the pro's advertise. However, it's interesting to read how people speak about one's "game", when they are actually having paid meetings with a girl! It's like going back 20 years in life and doing it all over again (or the first time? But now with much better chances of scoring. With the help of the money. I can understand why this is interesting and addictive to men at any age. But my question is, what are you really after? There is the sex. There is the young woman. There is the situation of being the older guy with the younger woman, which feels special. And then there is the company, the attention one gets from the young woman. All of these are reasons to do it and pay for it, but some of them could be filled with a non-paid woman, also.

And then there's the fact that this one, not-so-humble (and probably not so secure, as he claims to be) guy wrote: paying is a way to have a psychological defence against real emotional involment with the girl. Sure, one can like her and all, get all worked up how great she is. But with payment, it's different. It's so different from doing all the same without any word about possible payment, without any thought about it from either of the people involved. Money makes it safe and secure. For me, money is the key in these relationships: it makes them possible to stay as they are. Sex, and then nothing until the next time, when it's time to have sex again. I can fantasize about the girls meanwhile, I can think how lovely they are, but I won't go for it. They won't expect from me anything more, either (when the relationship is as it should be). This is what I pay for. What do you pay for?

There are several reasons why I pay an SB.

First and most obvious is because a hot young thing in her twenties is not going to give a mediocre looking guy in his fifties the time of day in some other setting. If she's on Seeking she has self qualified as willing to accept the age gap / flaws and doesn't find it creepy (at least the ones I date).

But I really do establish a deep connection with my favorite girls. And maybe I am delusional but they seem to truly enjoy the sex meaningful and long with attention to her needs and the affection and companionship all NSA and no drama. Would they still date me with no $$? I know at least a handful that would.

So at that point why pay? Because I care about these girls. Really do.

1. They need it way more than I do.

2. I don't want them seeking alternatives. If they can't pay the rent they might like me but they are going to get with a guy who helps them out.

3. They totally deserve to be paid! We all pay our wives and girlfriends with free housing and food and jewelry. And they don't do shit! The cost per fuck in my marriage was probably about $10K per for a lot of our marriage! WTF. How is that fair. These girls DESERVE our money. Goddamn bargain compared to being married! LOL

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2726244]There are several reasons why I pay an SB.

First and most obvious is because a hot young thing in her twenties is not going to give a mediocre looking guy in his fifties the time of day in some other setting. If she's on Seeking she has self qualified as willing to accept the age gap / flaws and doesn't find it creepy (at least the ones I date).

But I really do establish a deep connection with my favorite girls. And maybe I am delusional but they seem to truly enjoy the sex meaningful and long with attention to her needs and the affection and companionship all NSA and no drama. Would they still date me with no $$ I know at least a handful that would.

So at that point why pay? Because I care about these girls. Really do.

1. They need it way more than I do.

2. I don't want them seeking alternatives. If they can't pay the rent they might like me but they are going to get with a guy who helps them out.

3. They totally deserve to be paid! We all pay our wives and girlfriends with free housing and food and jewelry. And they don't do shit! The cost per fuck in my marriage was probably about $10K per for a lot of our marriage! WTF. How is that fair. These girls DESERVE our money. Goddamn bargain compared to being married! LOL[/QUOTE]Honestly I would rather pay, then I do not feel guilty for my lifestyle. If feelings change you can always change the relationship down the road.

I had one girl ask me to buy her gifts instead of money, I declined. Gifts have more emotional meaning for me vs. Money. Not to mention the time that would go into buying gifts every meeting, hell no.

[QUOTE=SethiatSpace;2725091]Oh and I'm now in Riga. There are 5 girls I'm interested in. And again same shit, they see my messages, read it, sometimes check my profile (which obviously need work) and then never bother to reply. And this baffles my mind, you live in a low income country, you are on SA and you don't even care to reply to a polite offer for a PAID platonic dinner date? What kind of world is this? Ah yes, one replied with three words "Dinner date? -500". I'm sure she even just meant platonic. Platonic dinner date for 500? Get the fuck out of here. And these girls are all like "don't just say Hi, or how are you, please talk to me first" and then they reply with maximum two words.[/QUOTE]And how about the ones who demand [B]read my profile first[/B]! So then you scroll down and see they didn't write virtually jack shit anything about themselves! What is there to read? You're not telling anybody anything about yourself! GTFOH LOL!

[QUOTE=Edk750;2726181]OK, you have to share links to this pink viagra![/QUOTE]I have used all day chemist without a problem in the past. They sell pink versions of my favorite generic Viagra, Kamagra.

[QUOTE=Desin;2726186]I feel sorry for these girls, for they have forgotten to keep in mind that the act they get from the man is fake. Now, I don't use SeekingArrangements. I've preferred amateurs, who have had an ad somewhere, but not where the pro's advertise.[/QUOTE]My current gal got on the site not because she knew what arrangement meant or the site headlines (not sure if they are even translated to Spanish). She got on the site because her friends told her to. One of her friends married a guy from seeking and lives in Spain and the other is a fianc of some Greek tycoon who owns a jet. And you feel sorry for them? I could be wrong but I do not think they need your sympathy.

And you have not used seeking but feel sorry for the women based on all men being fake and all the women being too stupid to know it? That is a very sexist POV IMO.

From what I have seen, the men get fleeced way more often than the women but the damage is much less harsh.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2726244]There are several reasons why I pay an SB.

First and most obvious is because a hot young thing in her twenties is not going to give a mediocre looking guy in his fifties the time of day in some other setting. If she's on Seeking she has self qualified as willing to accept the age gap / flaws and doesn't find it creepy (at least the ones I date).

But I really do establish a deep connection with my favorite girls. And maybe I am delusional but they seem to truly enjoy the sex meaningful and long with attention to her needs and the affection and companionship all NSA and no drama. Would they still date me with no $$? I know at least a handful that would.

So at that point why pay? Because I care about these girls. Really do.

1. They need it way more than I do.

2. I don't want them seeking alternatives. If they can't pay the rent they might like me but they are going to get with a guy who helps them out.

3. They totally deserve to be paid! We all pay our wives and girlfriends with free housing and food and jewelry. And they don't do shit! The cost per fuck in my marriage was probably about $10K per for a lot of our marriage! WTF. How is that fair. These girls DESERVE our money. Goddamn bargain compared to being married! LOL[/QUOTE]I agree with what you have written. I know girls who are struggling specialy after Covid. Paying rent on time is a stress for some.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2726325]My current gal got on the site not because she knew what arrangement meant or the site headlines (not sure if they are even translated to Spanish). She got on the site because her friends told her to. One of her friends married a guy from seeking and lives in Spain and the other is a fianc of some Greek tycoon who owns a jet. And you feel sorry for them? I could be wrong but I do not think they need your sympathy.[/QUOTE]So this girl got on the site because she was looking for a serious relationship with a rich guy? And when a rich guy offers her money for meeting with sex, she falls for the guy and let's him fuck her for free. All good as long as the guy doesn't get bored. When that happens, the girl understands what went wrong. The guy might not.

Yes, there are women who really do wish to fulfill their childhood / teenage dream of marrying a rich guy. And people who are all about money and material. If these individuals find each other and get married, it's all great. As long as the girl doesn't have to sign a prenuptial agreement.

Yet, I do feel sorry for the women who are attached to the idea of money as the answer, and the men who are their counterparts in these relationships. It's really a sad thing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2726325]
And you have not used seeking but feel sorry for the women based on all men being fake and all the women being too stupid to know it? That is a very sexist POV IMO.[/QUOTE]Now you are using ridiculous rhetoric, putting words to my mouth instead of talking about the issue behind the words I wrote. This exposes only your own way of thinking and the lack of capacity or interest for solid argumentation.

When a girl falls for a guy in paid relationship environmenet, and the guy is willing to use this situation to his own advantage by, for example, not telling to the girl that "sorry, but I'm not going to marry you and we'll be together only for the time I feel happy to hang out with you and have sex with you", I do feel sorry for the girl. Some guys are able to perceive their own thoughts, feelings and motives, and some are not. Same goes for the women. But a person who is able to see the situation and decides to not act honestly toward the other person, is putting the other person in position which I feel sorry about. Be it in paid environment, or non-paid.

Rookie women are also less likely to be accustomed to these situations which have money and / or power dynamic inside them, and which consist for the young woman with being with an older man, who is possibly near his father's age. This has psychological meanings to the girl, who might not be familiar with them if she hasn't had enough of these relationships previously to get accustomed to her own feelings, reactions and ways of acting in these relationship. To find out that she "always falls for this type". The man is then in the position of taking advantage of the girl. Like you wrote (was it you? That you think it's necessary to anticipate the woman's feelings before she knows them herself, and to master your own. This sounds to me as calculative, manipulative way of acting towards other people, if it isn't guided by a moral principle based on openness, honesty and the good of the other person.

And lastly, by being fake I pointed out that men act in these situations differently than how they would act when they are on an "even level" with the woman they are interacting with. Money and the dynamics of the arrangement makes it more easy to act in a way that charms the girl. A young woman might very likely be unable to recognize this subtle things, maybe not until they are more than 30 years old or until they've met enough Sugar Daddies to take notice how these men really are, compared to the act they present. It's all good when used with the payment the girl gets. But if there is no payment, then it's an elaborate con act. Anyone finds out about another person after couple of years of being with him or her. And our normal relationships are based hugely on this, that we act on our best and mostly ignore the signals that reveal from the other person something that they are trying to cover up in their good act. It's fair when it goes both ways. But when there is money involved, the money should stay involved. If it's dropped out and the motive is still the same, to fuck a young pretty girl as long as it's fun, it turns into a con act.

But anyway, good luck to you. Maybe you'll get married or stay together for years. It's always nice when two people find each other, be it whatever the route.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2726244]There are several reasons why I pay an SB.

First and most obvious is because a hot young thing in her twenties is not going to give a mediocre looking guy in his fifties the time of day in some other setting. If she's on Seeking she has self qualified as willing to accept the age gap / flaws and doesn't find it creepy (at least the ones I date).

But I really do establish a deep connection with my favorite girls. And maybe I am delusional but they seem to truly enjoy the sex meaningful and long with attention to her needs and the affection and companionship all NSA and no drama. Would they still date me with no $$? I know at least a handful that would.[/QUOTE]I can believe this. I link it to idea that even though they might not (or might as well?) consider you a potential boyfriend if you would pass them on a street or have a chat on any daily situation, now that they have learned to know you and there has been all the opportunities for the emotional attachment to happen, you have gained a meaning for them in their emotional life. Also, the age gap is really a different thing for women than men. At this historical point in time, media teaches (or preaches) that women should go for men who are of their own age. Whereas this kind of thinking was very different just a century ago, and from that, for several thousands of years in the history of mankind. Now, when a girl thinks she is not supposed to get interested in "older men", be that age gap only 12 or 15 years, it's confusing when that actually happens. If she let's herself go and goes for it, the age gap that was previously taught to her as a sociocultural, if not moral imperative, will lose it's meaning. Then it's about the limit of how far is she willing to go with it, and what does she want from him, and life.

Outside of paid arrangements, I was hugely amused when a 12 years younger girl literally dropped her jaw when she heard my answer to her question of how old am I, and very soon was hitting me so god damn erotically (at my work place, when we were alone) that I felt I have never felt such a heat in my life. 15 year younger student made it clear that if I would be willing to consider starting a family with her in the future, we could resume to have sexual encounters. And I ain't a guy many girls notice for looks.

I can believe this is the thing that makes the difference between having good, fulfilling relationships in older age with younger (paid or non-paid) girls:

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2726244]Because I care about these girls. Really do.[/QUOTE]

Dramafree.

This is what I paid in June 2022. The one that refuses to take money. We first met Aug 2021. The other two. One I met in Jan and the other in Mar 2022.

I continue meeting them. Juggle them around. A bit boring to fuck the same but they are all super nice persons first and great fucks, second. So, just keeping them. But always looking for the fourth pussy.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2725857]I often wonder how many guys pays these rates, I bet it is very few. I had girls quote me $400-500 in CDMX, this never going to happen, I just laugh.

I think before Covid they might have been getting these prices, now I have my doubts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Desin;2726614]So this girl got on the site because she was looking for a serious relationship with a rich guy?[/QUOTE]LOL. Do you think the women see a guy's Amex card, spread their legs, and say "I love you"? Why would you think her being on the site was about money and not about her friends being happy, her being happy, and her daughter being happy?

[QUOTE=Desin;2726614]And when a rich guy offers her money for meeting with sex, she falls for the guy and let's him fuck her for free. All good as long as the guy doesn't get bored.[/QUOTE]A woman cannot do anything for a man such that the man needs her? It is just sex? She is incapable of being interesting enough such that a man does not get bored? My God, you are a sexist. Your opinion of women is nauseating.

[QUOTE=Desin;2726614]That you think it's necessary to anticipate the woman's feelings before she knows them herself, and to master your own. This sounds to me as calculative, manipulative way of acting towards other people[/QUOTE]And yet the women love it. Go figure. Maybe your problem with that is you are jealous that you did not think of it first.

[QUOTE=Desin;2726614]Outside of paid arrangements, I was hugely amused when a 12 years younger girl literally dropped her jaw when she heard my answer to her question of how old am I, and very soon was hitting me so god damn erotically (at my work place, when we were alone) that I felt I have never felt such a heat in my life. If these individuals find each other and get married, it's all great. As long as the girl doesn't have to sign a prenuptial agreement.[/QUOTE]That is interesting. Did you speak with her about a prenuptial agreement? Or is that a second date thing?

Well, I had my fun. Desin, quit with all the pseudointellectual bullshit and moral dilemmas and get on the site and go on a few dates. You have strangled yourself with all these moral issues to compensate for your fear. The women are not as innocent as you think and the men are not as crude as you think. The truth is when you are on a date it is two people and you can set whatever rules you want to.

[QUOTE=TierdTraveler;2726530]I agree with what you have written. I know girls who are struggling specialy after Covid. Paying rent on time is a stress for some.[/QUOTE]If inflation continues to rise and money gets tighter, I think prices might drop.

Anyone know if the Diamond upgrade in seeking is good for anything?

Far as I can tell it only serves to signal that you paid more for the same thing. But maybe I'm missing something.

I guess I knew this but was very struck recently kissing Shayla how different it is from kissing a pro even one who provides good DFK. With a Seeking girl (at least the ones I adore who I would not even class semi-pro) like Shayla, Alexa, and Sylvia (of late) it's a completely different passion and "set of moves".

What I mean by that is it's not just tongue tangling. There is playful licking and lip biting. Tongue sucking both directions. Just no rules. Wherever that animal passion takes you you go there. It's so amazing and such a joint "dance" if you will.

And because it's real, it's part of the sex. Shayla is definitely more connected mouth to pussy than most girls. But no pro is getting wet from DFK. She's probably even getting out the lube after you eat her pussy. LOL. Cuz there is nothing going on downstairs when u kiss. With a real connection that animal kissing is getting her wet just like it gets you hard. Amazing stuff and one of my favorite parts. And I guess I don’t mind the ego boost either — knowing that kissing me make Shayla’s juice drip down her thighs is def satisfying to the self esteem!

So just returned from a week in Seattle and unexpected trip to Vancouver.

The normal SA leg work had started before the trip. Had a lot of responses from who I thought were attractive going on pics.

I target 8+ under 35, white women. After having multiple conversations and then video calls I was getting worried. They just didn't seem that attractive to me from what I have been used to lately.

The pros there are plentiful and also on SA. BBFS is out in the open in Seattle. After all the work set up 2 dates, one was decent 25 yr she was really into it, but for me no fire. 400. She wanted to stay the night, had dinner etc before but I told her I had an early call with NYC.

2nd, was just too enamored with my fit and accessories, was getting stalker vibes but pounded anyway. She is blowing up my phone still. She was 500. Both were my normal PSE experience, but not enough for me to continue further.

I just don't think the women are that attractive, now I'm a little different. I need their outfit, appearance, style, banter etc to match what I'm used too. I'm willing to upgrade the right one if they polish up, but even in the bars etc only saw a handful.

Bar pickups would be pretty easy there, from 2 experiences out during the night. Had two women who were dtf, but was with some business colleagues and didn't want to go full throttle.

Anyway, 2 of my previous hookups from Vancouver have been asking me return. The Finance mgr and realtor. Plus I have been texting with a real 9. 5 23 yr old law student (reminds of young Gal Gadot, with implants). So took the quick flight to Vancouver to hit the 3 of them. That was the best part of this business trip.

As was walking through the city with 23 yr old, she was telling me about her new apartment and dog. So bought her an espresso machine and stuff for her puppy. Totaled to about $550. After a full night of bed breaking sex and morning repeat I offered another 5, she said the presents were enough this trip. So $550.

Will be back in Seattle in 2 weeks, and MTL so report any updates.

Also, heading to Amsterdam at the end of the month and thinking of taking one of them. The sex is that good as is the connection in general.

Be well and good luck.