FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=NotSavvy;2461644]On tour.

[URL]https://m.6annonce.com/escort/Bella-133985[/URL][/QUOTE]Ehhhh. Those photos are terrible. Evita looks much better in Sharks.

[QUOTE=NotSavvy;2461644]On tour.

[URL]https://m.6annonce.com/escort/Bella-133985[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I have not been with her in more than a couple of years, but still looks good. Aix-en Provence? Wow! She is moving around. 150 an hour is not bad, 250 for 90 minutes is a rip off though. Hopefully the 150 an hour includes everything and DFK, BBBJ are included; what about BLS, CIM, etc? Included or extras? Reviews were reasonable but did not translate into English on my iPad, was too lazy to do this on my laptop.

[QUOTE=NotSavvy;2461644]On tour.

[URL]https://m.6annonce.com/escort/Bella-133985[/URL][/QUOTE]New life in French countryside?

It's funny how people often just point on the obvious and comments about girls. Doesn't she deserve to work where she wants? If people wants someone. Just ring her up and write relevant reviews of experience rather than just about service you haven't tried or been years you haven't tried. Are we all desperate for sharks girl that all we need is rumors? I cannot wait for the club open as well. Let's keep the message relevant.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2461764]Thanks for sharing. I have not been with her in more than a couple of years, but still looks good. Aix-en Provence? Wow! She is moving around. 150 an hour is not bad, 250 for 90 minutes is a rip off though. Hopefully the 150 an hour includes everything and DFK, BBBJ are included; what about BLS, CIM, etc? Included or extras? Reviews were reasonable but did not translate into English on my iPad, was too lazy to do this on my laptop.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lovemayor;2461829]It's funny how people often just point on the obvious and comments about girls. Doesn't she deserve to work where she wants? If people wants someone. Just ring her up and write relevant reviews of experience rather than just about service you haven't tried or been years you haven't tried. Are we all desperate for sharks girl that all we need is rumors? I cannot wait for the club open as well. Let's keep the message relevant.[/QUOTE]Well, my comment was at least a first hand comment on a girl I had sex with in a club thread where she used to work; and the club has been closed for a few months now, so it is a certainty that no review is current.

The reviews are good. Just one dude says that she does nothing extraordinary but what she does is well done.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2461764]Thanks for sharing. I have not been with her in more than a couple of years, but still looks good. Aix-en Provence? Wow! She is moving around. 150 an hour is not bad, 250 for 90 minutes is a rip off though. Hopefully the 150 an hour includes everything and DFK, BBBJ are included; what about BLS, CIM, etc? Included or extras? Reviews were reasonable but did not translate into English on my iPad, was too lazy to do this on my laptop.[/QUOTE]Evita is at usual Romanian escorts rate in French big cities: 100/30 , 150/60, when Russian escorts are 150 to 200/30 and 200 to 300/60. Usually, CIM, anal are extra like in FKK.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2461875]Evita is at usual Romanian escorts rate in French big cities: 100/30 , 150/60, when Russian escorts are 150 to 200/30 and 200 to 300/60. Usually, CIM, anal are extra like in FKK.[/QUOTE]But everybody in France know about fake reviews on 6 annonce with so many fakers, same like in FKK land. Same on escortguide. I don't say anything about Evita services because I don't know her in bed, but I find her photos really not attractive, I saw her more sophisticated at Sharks. I think can find some Sharks girls in Switzerland now, not at Globe where only Megan since 3 years and Aurelia since end of 2016. Nor at Amesia nor Aphrodisia, but many girls look for business in small Switzerland with falling down business.

It is interesting that you quote Romanians va Russians as if the origins dictate market prices. I can also see plenty of Russian with similar prices. In the end it's about services. I think based on reviews both countries provides excellent ladies. Evita services is well known. So it isn't surprising she ets si il at reviews regardless of country she is in. What the ladies does outside of sharks isn't much of concerns. We should all wait and see when sharks reopens and happy to line up and enjoy. If you are so keen on the Russians you wouldn't come to sharks to get lesser quality wouldn't it? But you are coming meaning you feel the quality it has to offer compared to your prized Russians or whatever you desire.

We should be happy we get to enjoy such ladies regardless of where they are or what they do.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2461875]Evita is at usual Romanian escorts rate in French big cities: 100/30 , 150/60, when Russian escorts are 150 to 200/30 and 200 to 300/60. Usually, CIM, anal are extra like in FKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NotSavvy;2461644]On tour.

[URL]https://m.6annonce.com/escort/Bella-133985[/URL].[/QUOTE]Very pretty girl. I can see why Evita was such a great favorite in FKK Sharks. It was a few years ago now but I never forget my time in Sharks garden when Evita had to shout and scream at some loony love struck customer. Told him to go and take a hike! Lunatic was following her around, stalking her and potential customers in the club.

It can be a tough job and I wish her luck in France. All these girls deserve a chance.

[QUOTE=LoveMayor;2461986]It is interesting that you quote Romanians va Russians as if the origins dictate market prices. I can also see plenty of Russian with similar prices. In the end it's about services. I think based on reviews both countries provides excellent ladies. Evita services is well known. So it isn't surprising she ets si il at reviews regardless of country she is in. What the ladies does outside of sharks isn't much of concerns. We should all wait and see when sharks reopens and happy to line up and enjoy. If you are so keen on the Russians you wouldn't come to sharks to get lesser quality wouldn't it? But you are coming meaning you feel the quality it has to offer compared to your prized Russians or whatever you desire.

We should be happy we get to enjoy such ladies regardless of where they are or what they do.[/QUOTE]For me, I don't come to Sharks only for the Beauty of the girls, that a major factor of course, but not the only one, the other major factor is the whole experience, its because you see +100 naked girls for as long as you like, chat with girls before and after, so even if there are a more beautiful escort to come to my hotel room, even if its just 150 euro or 200 , I prefer the Sharks experience by a mile.

I think we always have to take reviews with a grain of salt. People will embellish their experience on how they are fare with girls. Perhaps you as well does that in a sense as many of your previous post makes you the ultimate lover in the bed for all these professional where you achieve 100% success rate in pleasing in what you might say is the best orgasmic night of their life. So I fully agree that we always have to use our own judgement when reading these boards or reviews. Including your sometime extravagant achievement towards working girls. Not to remove any 5-star achievement you have achieve with them. Just sayin'. I do appreciate your reviews and comments.

When we go back to Evia's profile picture, it is quite nice picture in showing a more natural side of her. We can't expect to have major photoshopped oiled body like so many other girls that are done in a professional setting. Not everyone might have the time to spend to get those shots done and prefer to show a more natural side of themselves. It is funny as recently so many people are pushing this Instagram filters where the reality greatly differ from what you see in images.

Megan is so often mentioned in these boards as one of the top provider of all time and all. Just as the overall achievement of Evita. I think both offer unique experience and if you are going to always compare the famous Megan to Evita in terms of beauty and services, it might be important to actually have been with Evita to make proper comparison otherwise its just a biased judgement. I think both girls offer unique take in the industry and I have enjoyed differently both.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2461955]But everybody in France know about fake reviews on 6 annonce with so many fakers, same like in FKK land. Same on escortguide. I don't say anything about Evita services because I don't know her in bed, but I find her photos really not attractive, I saw her more sophisticated at Sharks. I think can find some Sharks girls in Switzerland now, not at Globe where only Megan since 3 years and Aurelia since end of 2016. Nor at Amesia nor Aphrodisia, but many girls look for business in small Switzerland with falling down business.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that! The whole FKK experience is so unique. All men can enjoy the pleasure in looking at girls roaming around showcasing all their asset without the constrain of clothing. Specially a place like Sharks where the space is gigantic and girls are parading in a countless way. Each day bring new beauties and experience. Their facilities are so well done that each gets their own pleasure. I can move from having few drinks to get a nice real professional massage while I can steam myself in the sauna. Add that to being to flirt with these beauties, the experience is by far worth its entry point. I love each and everyone of my time spent there over the last few years.

That said, I think my initial comment was to properly handle the comparison of Russians vs Romanians where Russians can command more prices in escorting and FKK experience. FKK is so unique that offer more than beauty but a full experience that we can't give proper value enough to this otherwise, might as well stick to go to Russia or wherever that offer your right deal of beauty. So yeah, FKK land is great because it has that overall experience that escorting can't offer. The two co-exist for a reason as we each want different experience but can't just say Russians is better in general. Until the land of FKK is reopen and the infamous Sharks is reopen, we can only enjoy the beauties of escorting. One of those choice can be Evita or a Russian dream. Either way, that's the reality we have and can only dream about going back to the fairy land of FKK.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2462147]For me, I don't come to Sharks only for the Beauty of the girls, that a major factor of course, but not the only one, the other major factor is the whole experience, its because you see +100 naked girls for as long as you like, chat with girls before and after, so even if there are a more beautiful escort to come to my hotel room, even if its just 150 euro or 200 , I prefer the Sharks experience by a mile.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2462116]Very pretty girl. I can see why Evita was such a great favorite in FKK Sharks. It was a few years ago now but I never forget my time in Sharks garden when Evita had to shout and scream at some loony love struck customer. Told him to go and take a hike! Lunatic was following her around, stalking her and potential customers in the club.

It can be a tough job and I wish her luck in France. All these girls deserve a chance.[/QUOTE]You know the reason I recall (vividly) this incident, is that I was thinking the other day that under normal circumstances, I would be visiting the Sharks Garden several days during these summer weeks. At least that has been the case for the past several years, until this virus shit fcked everything. But this incident of Evita getting really pissed off at this over jealous customer, and yelling at the top of her voice to "F-off!" I shall never forget, whenever I think of the Sharks garden area.

Now somebody reports similar with another club in NRW.

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2462412]You know the reason I recall (vividly) this incident, is that I was thinking the other day that under normal circumstances, I would be visiting the Sharks Garden several days during these summer weeks. At least that has been the case for the past several years, until this virus shit fcked everything. But this incident of Evita getting really pissed off at this over jealous customer, and yelling at the top of her voice to "F-off!" I shall never forget, whenever I think of the Sharks garden area.

Now somebody reports similar with another club in NRW.[/QUOTE]I knew one very jealous about her, after about blond Raïssa before at World, but when she knows I went for Megan every week end, I was never jealous for Evita, nor Raïssa World who was a substitute, but not a perfect woman, despite really lovely, when she proposed me to diner, but I would have preferred with another one.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2461764]Thanks for sharing. I have not been with her in more than a couple of years, but still looks good. Aix-en Provence? Wow! She is moving around. 150 an hour is not bad, 250 for 90 minutes is a rip off though.[/QUOTE]Well maybe math is just not her strong side?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2462940]Well maybe math is just not her strong side?[/QUOTE]IKR, a little weird. She was supposed to be a brianiac too. Perhaps mongers confuse a nice ass for a working brain.

[QUOTE=LoveMayor;2461986]It is interesting that you quote Romanians va Russians as if the origins dictate market prices. I can also see plenty of Russian with similar prices. In the end it's about services. I think based on reviews both countries provides excellent ladies. Evita services is well known. So it isn't surprising she ets si il at reviews regardless of country she is in. What the ladies does outside of sharks isn't much of concerns. We should all wait and see when sharks reopens and happy to line up and enjoy. If you are so keen on the Russians you wouldn't come to sharks to get lesser quality wouldn't it? But you are coming meaning you feel the quality it has to offer compared to your prized Russians or whatever you desire.

We should be happy we get to enjoy such ladies regardless of where they are or what they do.[/QUOTE]I don't decide for escorting market in France, but Romanian girls are available for less expensive than Slavians or Czech. 150/60 is usual rate for Romanians, between 200 and 300/60 for Russians, and I like to have Russian beauties out of agency for 200/250 from 10.30/11 pm to 4 am. No matter of beauty or performance, but this is like this and I don t even know why. I'm sure Evita who is clever for her Asian business, know this, otherwise she would be for more expensive, when I m sure most of her Asian rooms at Sharks are for at least 150/60 , and she would not be more expensive as escort on Azur cost, versus in a German brothel. I had at Globe a wow Romanian who worked as escort in big Paris before, not small even beautiful Aix en Provence, for 150/60 in Paris, for 260/60 at Globe, what was Globe quality before. I had many Romanians in FKK land, meeting them weekly like Megan at Mainhattan then Sharks then Globe, a very faithful bad guy, for 50 per 30 mn and I don t pay extras because I m poor French. Some of my Romanian beauties could compete for look and in bed for my love sex with my Russian escorts from the most famous agencies in Paris and I learned to love Romanian beauties like Megan, with great enjoyment to make them improve for me. We also know in France most of 6 annonce or escortguide reviews are fake, I don t say this about Evita, I didn't even read her reviews, but would be easy to know from who post. But I wish Evita to enjoy France, Aix en Provence is a beautiful town and much more safe than Marseille for escorting, our good foods, our sun in South of France, Germans love so much. Already, some Western Europeans are back, good for our tourism. I m pretty sure Evita will return to her home Sharks when will reopen. I never noticed her tattoo but I don t look at her so much.

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2462412]You know the reason I recall (vividly) this incident, is that I was thinking the other day that under normal circumstances, I would be visiting the Sharks Garden several days during these summer weeks. At least that has been the case for the past several years, until this virus shit fcked everything. But this incident of Evita getting really pissed off at this over jealous customer, and yelling at the top of her voice to "F-off!" I shall never forget, whenever I think of the Sharks garden area.

Now somebody reports similar with another club in NRW.[/QUOTE]Yes a very attractive lady is Evita. But the ultimate Asian Queen. She specialized in soft soaping Asian boys out of serious amounts of cash. Every time I saw her in Sharks she seemed to have a Chinese, Korean or Japanese guy in tow and running around after her. They all ready and waiting to hand over fist-fulls of euros. Of course she told them all that she preferred Asians guys because they were such gentlemen. This translates as they tended to be easy marks and very often booked her for long GFE type lovey-dovey gentle sessions. They also tended to overpay her. You infrequently saw her with men of European origin and nearly never with men of African origin. More wear and tear on her pussy. How do I know? She told me. I was a pretty regular visitor to Sharks and when things were quiet she would often speak with me. I wasn't particularly interested in rooming with her and she didn't need me as a customer but I have good enough English and I think she liked to practice.

[QUOTE=SanchoPanza;2463516]Yes a very attractive lady is Evita. But the ultimate Asian Queen. She specialized in soft soaping Asian boys out of serious amounts of cash. Every time I saw her in Sharks she seemed to have a Chinese, Korean or Japanese guy in tow and running around after her. They all ready and waiting to hand over fist-fulls of euros. Of course she told them all that she preferred Asians guys because they were such gentlemen. This translates as they tended to be easy marks and very often booked her for long GFE type lovey-dovey gentle sessions. They also tended to overpay her. You infrequently saw her with men of European origin and nearly never with men of African origin. More wear and tear on her pussy. How do I know? She told me. I was a pretty regular visitor to Sharks and when things were quiet she would often speak with me. I wasn't particularly interested in rooming with her and she didn't need me as a customer but I have good enough English and I think she liked to practice.[/QUOTE]When she came to me on January 2015, she told me she was escort in UK, so she should speak English there. She might understand I m not Asian, even I love milky skin and despite my size, I was always careful not to hurt Megan or most of my girls. I saw her with Caucasians and some needed to tell me she is good, so she may be, and when most of girls are not clever for business, I m sure she is, reason why if she could charge more than 150/ h as escort in France, when I m pretty sure many Asians pay more expensive at Sharks, then she would do, and I m sure she will run to Sharks with Asians. But lying China is a real safety problem for us, when Germany try to control R0.

Hi!

Does anyone know when FKK Sharks opens.

[QUOTE=Senna93;2465825]Hi!

Does anyone know when FKK Sharks opens.[/QUOTE]Not sure, on my last visit on 15 March when I was leaving I asked them when would they reopen after the impending closure and they told me in two weeks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2467898]Not sure, on my last visit on 15 March when I was leaving I asked them when would they reopen after the impending closure and they told me in two weeks.[/QUOTE]They meant in two years HAHA.

Does anyone know when FKK Sharks opens.

Yes just got the info that Shark will open tomorrow Sunday the 19/07, more than 200 hundred girls will be present and to celebrate the restart of the business, we just have to pay 30 euros for 1/2 hour including all the extras. For sure I will be the first guy there tomorrow probably at 7 am I will start to queue, I don t want to miss this great opportunity.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2467931]Yes just got the info that Shark will open tomorrow Sunday the 19/07, more than 200 hundred girls will be present and to celebrate the restart of the business, we just have to pay 30 euros for 1/2 hour including all the extras. For sure I will be the first guy there tomorrow probably at 7 am I will start to queue, I don t want to miss this great opportunity.[/QUOTE]Anything new to report? New restrictions? How were the ladies / did they have any extra precautions?

I am planning a trip in late October which is a few months away so I'm hoping everything is back to normal by then for my first visit to this club.

[QUOTE=SoloTour;2468298]Anything new to report? New restrictions? How were the ladies / did they have any extra precautions?

I am planning a trip in late October which is a few months away so I'm hoping everything is back to normal by then for my first visit to this club.[/QUOTE]Let me play along. There is nothing new to report. There are no new restrictions. The ladies are mostly 7's and above. The only extra precautions is that you're required to wear mask to walk in. After you're in the room, everything goes. Happy days are here again. Go ahead. Book your flight now to take advantaage of the summer discount. Good luck!

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2468336]The only extra precautions is that you're required to wear mask to walk in. [/QUOTE]Seems like this would only protect the receptionist. If that's the case they should also simply install a Plexiglas window.

Anyway, good news all around. I wish I could visit sooner for the discount.

[QUOTE=SoloTour;2468298]Anything new to report? New restrictions? How were the ladies / did they have any extra precautions?

I am planning a trip in late October which is a few months away so I'm hoping everything is back to normal by then for my first visit to this club.[/QUOTE]No plan to reopen in Germany at the moment and with virus still in Germany and western Europe. At the moment, Switzerland and Austria for brothels, where I found real beauties being good for me. Just have to adapt.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2468336]Let me play along. There is nothing new to report. There are no new restrictions. The ladies are mostly 7's and above. The only extra precautions is that you're required to wear mask to walk in. After you're in the room, everything goes. Happy days are here again. Go ahead. Book your flight now to take advantaage of the summer discount. Good luck![/QUOTE]Is it really re-opened or just a prank I heard about some protests in Hamburg but have no idea if they had such quick success so as to say to re open all clubs in Germany.

[QUOTE=Traveller203;2468421]Is it really re-opened or just a prank I heard about some protests in Hamburg but have no idea if they had such quick success so as to say to re open all clubs in Germany.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it's a joke:

But there must be some info in German media about the situation? I mean now when. NL, . At, . Ch and others are open a good journalist must ask the politicians when they open in Germany?

[QUOTE=Kippen;2468541]But there must be some info in German media about the situation?[/QUOTE]No, I see nothing yet and I check regularly. NRW has banned prostitution, the ordinance has been extended repeatedly and will currently expire August 11, but I expect that it will be extended yet again.

What you can find open is erotic massages, most of them ending with an oily handjob. The few that provided full sex are also open but state only erotic massages on their web sites - although I bet it's business as usual though.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2468715]No, I see nothing yet and I check regularly. NRW has banned prostitution, the ordinance has been extended repeatedly and will currently expire August 11, but I expect that it will be extended yet again.

What you can find open is erotic massages, most of them ending with an oily handjob. The few that provided full sex are also open but state only erotic massages on their web sites - although I bet it's business as usual though.[/QUOTE]So You mean WGs can t escort in NRW? When they can in Hessen. Maybe why GT German superstars moved to Globe.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2468541]Unfortunately it's a joke:

But there must be some info in German media about the situation? I mean now when. NL, . At, . Ch and others are open a good journalist must ask the politicians when they open in Germany?[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, but opening FKK clubs so that a bunch of sex tourists can come monger and spread the virus. Is probably the LAST thing on the minds of German politicians. As for the local Germans: they are used to "following orders" and "blindly following politicians" so they won't wake up until it's too late.

On German boards, criticizing politicians is "verboten," and the way they are now deleting posts and banning people who dare criticizing the European (not just German) politicians for totally mishandeling the situation (and disrespecting the German constitution with totalitarian measures, is totally identical to the way they were deleting accounts and posts back in January-February when you mentioned Wuhan and the situation there, and voiced concerns that this will eventually also come to Europe and effect the FKK clubs. Back in January-February, I would like a post of someone who was concerned about the Wuhan virus, and a few hours later I would check to see what other people thought, but the post would be gone with a message that it was "off topic. " Hahaha! And when people would open a new thread, they would close the thread, saying something like "it has nothing to do with P6." And look at them now: everything closed for months and no end in sight.

Germans typically stick their heads into the sand when political trouble approaches (See their history of WW1, WW2, and the DDR), and they are doing the same now. They won't wake up until it's too late and their freedoms are gone, and FKK clubs and P6 are permanently forbidden because of "health reasons."

(in February, the Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI) was still maintaining "why the RKI estimates that the risk for the German population is small,' but it's "verboten" to mention this on German boards. See page 5: "Warum das RKI das Risiko füare die Bevölkerung in Deutschland aktuell noch als gering einschätzt" [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2020/Ausgaben/07_20.pdf%3F__blob%3DpublicationFile[/URL].

[QUOTE=Downandup;2468715]No, I see nothing yet and I check regularly. NRW has banned prostitution, the ordinance has been extended repeatedly and will currently expire August 11, but I expect that it will be extended yet again.

What you can find open is erotic massages, most of them ending with an oily handjob. The few that provided full sex are also open but state only erotic massages on their web sites - although I bet it's business as usual though.[/QUOTE]There are erotic massages that send the girl to your house / hotel for massage. 5 minutes massage and 55 minutes fucking.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2468749]Germans typically stick their heads into the sand when political trouble approaches (See their history of WW1, WW2, and the DDR), and they are doing the same now. They won't wake up until it's too late and their freedoms are gone, and FKK clubs and P6 are permanently forbidden because of "health reasons."[/QUOTE]P6 is used by a small percentage of the population. And if you are going to count the men who actually see a WG regularly (as in more than ten times a year), we are talking probably less than 1 percent of the population. Nobody gives a shit but us hardcore mongers. The problem is there are not that many hardcore mongers, and even less who would voluntarily relinquish their anonymity to participate in a protest. If prostitution were abolished in Germany tomorrow, very few people would put up a fight. Just like nobody really put up a fight when similar things happened in USA or France. Rather than protest the anti-P6 laws, these American and French men "blindly followed their politicians".

Since the closing of FKK clubs back in March, many local mongers quit P6. However, the more hardcore ones continue to engage in P6 either illegally in DEU or travelling to other countries where it is currently legal. Again no different to what American and French mongers have done for years.

With 1 K new cases in Romania daily with 19 M population, now think yourself when the ladies will get back. I don't think until March next year something will change much with current situation and virus itself. Is all about vaccine and FKKs will be the last thing to open. Eastern Europe is on the peak right now with new cases.

[QUOTE=Lover28X;2468879]With 1 K new cases in Romania daily with 19 M population, now think yourself when the ladies will get back. I don't think until March next year something will change much with current situation and virus itself. Is all about vaccine and FKKs will be the last thing to open. Eastern Europe is on the peak right now with new cases.[/QUOTE]A large amount of Romanian ladies who worked in German FKK, work now as escorts or went to Austria and Swiss. I believe at least 60 % of them are in business.

[QUOTE=Lover28X;2468879]With 1 K new cases in Romania daily with 19 M population, now think yourself when the ladies will get back. I don't think until March next year something will change much with current situation and virus itself. Is all about vaccine and FKKs will be the last thing to open. Eastern Europe is on the peak right now with new cases.[/QUOTE]Romania and Bulgaria may be put under quarantine, not good for castings in Austria and Switzerland.

Hello all,

I hope everyone is doing okay during this crazy time. I just would like to ask a very silly but very interested to know question. FKK Sharks are they open because I just called during normal hours and no one answered the phone. Thanks to all.

Reply EL: mongering is globally decreasing in Europe, when you look what is happening over the last years with a club like World, before always full with local guys may 100+ girls, now 30+ girls less and less local mongers, and the business is slowly coming to an end year after year. Obviously you have now new comers mostly with migration background but they can never spend so much on girls than the previous mongers.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2468864]P6 is used by a small percentage of the population. And if you are going to count the men who actually see a WG regularly (as in more than ten times a year), we are talking probably less than 1 percent of the population. Nobody gives a shit but us hardcore mongers. [/QUOTE]Meh, it's always been the oldest profession in the world and many many men, at one point in their lives, has paid for sex. Don't forget, what you see in the FKK clubs only represents a very small (and VERY international) portion. You're forgetting about the many RLD and the many smaller brothels in provincial towns, all across Germany. P6 is no big deal in Europe, and it's one of those things that many politicians in the past (incl. Christian democrats) have turned a blind eye to for hundreds of years, as it was accepted as a part of normal life. As I said: oldest profession in the world.

The true danger IMO comes from the hardcore "cancel culture" and the "me too feminists," and that's usually found on the left and extreme left of the political spectrum. People who want to regulate and control every aspect of once's lives, instead of just allowing people to muddle on and make their own decisions.

P.S. I'm really not that hardcore, I just visit once in a while when I'm bored and horny, and if no girlfriends are on the radar. Why always pay? We now see how vulnerable and completely at the mercy of politicians and authorities it can make us.

[QUOTE=Aquarius1981;2469036]Hello all,

I hope everyone is doing okay during this crazy time. I just would like to ask a very silly but very interested to know question. FKK Sharks are they open because I just called during normal hours and no one answered the phone. Thanks to all.[/QUOTE]All German brothels are closed. Panic on German forums. According to German girls, many Germans go to paid sex. Funny to hear them, when I ask them why they don't find a nice boyfriend. Different answer compare to Romanians.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2469118]The true danger IMO comes from the hardcore "cancel culture" and the "me too feminists," and that's usually found on the left and extreme left of the political spectrum. People who want to regulate and control every aspect of once's lives, instead of just allowing people to muddle on and make their own decisions.[/QUOTE]Feminists are actually divided on the issue of prostitution. And it seems at least in America, the liberals favor legalization, whereas conservatives do not.

[QUOTE]"Anti-prostitution feminists hold that prostitution is a form of exploitation of women and male dominance over women and a practice which is the result of the existing patriarchal societal order. These feminists argue that prostitution has a very negative effect, both on the prostitutes themselves and on society as a whole, as it reinforces stereotypical views about women, who are seen as sex objects which can be used and abused by men.

Pro-prostitution feminists hold that prostitution and other forms of sex work can be valid choices for women and men who choose to engage in it. In this view, prostitution must be differentiated from forced prostitution, and feminists should support sex worker activism against abuses by both the sex industry and the legal system."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution[/QUOTE][QUOTE]"More Republicans (52 percent) than Democrats (45 percent) or independents (37 percent) think it should be illegal to accept money for sex."

https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-men-women-poll..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2469090]Reply EL: mongering is globally decreasing in Europe, when you look what is happening over the last years with a club like World, before always full with local guys may 100+ girls, now 30+ girls less and less local mongers, and the business is slowly coming to an end year after year. Obviously you have now new comers mostly with migration background but they can never spend so much on girls than the previous mongers.[/QUOTE]Are you claiming a cultural change is going on and less and less people find appropriate to do P6? Or do you claim that for one reason or another a lot of people cannot spend as much as before on P6?

I've always found surprising how rare are very young Germans guys (eg 18 yo) in the FKKs. I understand that they perhaps don't have money to be regulars, but I would expect to see every time a group of 18 yo boys partying a birthday in a FKK. That would happens 100% probability if FKKs were in Italy. No doubt.

I'm scared by the idea that in a few years P6 in Europe will almost disappear and only survive in illegal and poor / uncomfortable contexta.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2469090]Reply EL: mongering is globally decreasing in Europe, when you look what is happening over the last years with a club like World, before always full with local guys may 100+ girls, now 30+ girls less and less local mongers, and the business is slowly coming to an end year after year. Obviously you have now new comers mostly with migration background but they can never spend so much on girls than the previous mongers.[/QUOTE]Part of the problem is the population growing older. Your typical monger is high 30's to 60. There are also far more clubs open and are bigger. You also have to look at specific countries. The scene in Spain looks better than a few years ago. Regulation has killed France.

[QUOTE=Rovereto;2469154]Are you claiming a cultural change is going on and less and less people find appropriate to do P6? Or do you claim that for one reason or another a lot of people cannot spend as much as before on P6?

I've always found surprising how rare are very young Germans guys (eg 18 yo) in the FKKs. I understand that they perhaps don't have money to be regulars, but I would expect to see every time a group of 18 yo boys partying a birthday in a FKK. That would happens 100% probability if FKKs were in Italy. No doubt.

I'm scared by the idea that in a few years P6 in Europe will almost disappear and only survive in illegal and poor / uncomfortable contexta.[/QUOTE]Italy is not too far from Germany. Milan or Venice to Munich is a 6 hour drive. If you would see so many 18 year old Italians if FKK was in Italy, you should be able to see a few of them in Germany as well, methinks.

But yeah, not too many young people. Sometimes I do see a few. A few years ago, I remember seeing 3 or 4 young fellers surround this really pretty blonde in GT. One of the dudes was really built and cute. The blonde was like 21 herself and it looked to me she was turned on. But they went back and forth for a while and she did not go with him. I would have paid 10 bucks to see them fuck LOL.

Reply from EL: you are right cheap P6 will remain, but the kind of erotic like in big FKK is too expensive for many guys now, young educate and wealthy people don't need and more importantly don't want to pay for a girl or for sex, they can use apps like Tinder.

[QUOTE=Rovereto;2469154].........I'm scared by the idea that in a few years P6 in Europe will almost disappear and only survive in illegal and poor / uncomfortable contexta.[/QUOTE]"The only constant in life is change"-Heraclitus. I remember my best mongering days back in the 1970's in New York City. Brothels all over the city and easy availability of cheap sex with hot American girls, some of whom were porn actresses. What is the situation like in America now? Is it Europe's turn?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2469134]All German brothels are closed. Panic on German forums. According to German girls, many Germans go to paid sex. Funny to hear them, when I ask them why they don't find a nice boyfriend. Different answer compare to Romanians.[/QUOTE]So is there any update on when all the FKK would most likely open? Including the big one's like Sharks and Oase.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;2469384]So is there any update on when all the FKK would most likely open? Including the big one's like Sharks and Oase.[/QUOTE]Despite Summer and hot weather, virus still strong in Western Europe, increasing in Romania and Bulgaria, when virus is strongest around 10 degrees, so what will be in Autumn, when even Germany is under crisis, they were already before virus.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;2469384]..... when all the FKK would most likely open?[/QUOTE]As long as we have to wear masks in public transport where regularly the loading factor (long distance trains) is 40% maximum, there is no need to think about a revival of clubs in Germany.

[QUOTE=Tedesco;2469577]As long as we have to wear masks in public transport where regularly the loading factor (long distance trains) is 40% maximum, there is no need to think about a revival of clubs in Germany.[/QUOTE]Man! That is like another 2 years at least.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;2470115]Man! That is like another 2 years at least.[/QUOTE]I imagine once a vaccine is out (2021, many of us will carry around an immunization card to permit entry to clubs, gyms, restaurants, etc.

[QUOTE=SoloTour;2470512]I imagine once a vaccine is out (2021, many of us will carry around an immunization card to permit entry to clubs, gyms, restaurants, etc.[/QUOTE]What would be an immunization Card?

Thank-you! Do you have any recommendations?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2469134]All German brothels are closed. Panic on German forums. According to German girls, many Germans go to paid sex. Funny to hear them, when I ask them why they don't find a nice boyfriend. Different answer compare to Romanians.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2469134]All German brothels are closed. Panic on German forums. According to German girls, many Germans go to paid sex. Funny to hear them, when I ask them why they don't find a nice boyfriend. Different answer compare to Romanians.[/QUOTE]What was the German girl's answer to that question? Its interesting to know. Haha.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2470949]What was the German girl's answer to that question? Its interesting to know. Haha.[/QUOTE]As I wrote: German guys are not faithful, so easy to go to brothels, kind of cultural, when Romanians say: he would want more my money than me, not so wrong.

Reply EL: I have some contacts with ex working girls, most of their friends are not working now, for many girls it is not so easy to work outside the FKK, you need to find a place, mostly impossible in a standard apartment just because of the neighbors after you have to make a deal with some bad guys who can help you to find a place and control more or less the operations, but again the nice and clever girls don t want to start this kind of relation knowing that there is a difficulty to cut it latter on. You need also to know that the girls are getting government financial support, and I know that some find a normal job.

Hammertime:

So basically the pro-prostitute women are good looking women, while the anti-prostitution women are ugly?

Your definition of the two can easily be summed up into that. And I tend to agree. Especially considering how women choose themselves to dress up nicely, put on makeup, and flash hot pictures of themselves on Instagram and other new media sites as soon as the technology has arrived.

As long as they are good looking ofcourse.

As soon as they get fat, old or ugly, their minds change polarity like an electric circuitry turned on. And they try to impose their new paradigm of ideas on the more beautiful women.

In the end it is all about competition. And if some women start to feel inferior in terms of beauty, they will not want other women to capitalise on that.

With Artemis planning on opening on 1st September (providing there is no huge surge in further infections) does anyone have any info for the Hessen local government regards Sharks reopening?

I understand there has been some improvements undertaken at Sharks during the closure so it's likely they do plan to open. Whenever that date is.

Personally I would prefer to visit Sharks but if the Artemis opening goes ahead and it's a relative success after a couple of weeks I might just take a trip there rather than wait for Sharks to open. It's been three years since I was last at Artemis & unfortunately I have got use to the cheaper prices in Hessen Clubs!

EL: in Europe the situation is getting worse and worse so I don t believe the FKK will open soon, on the contrary new travel restriction are being implemented in more and more countries. Sorry to repeat, visiting prostitutes is at high risk, need to wait for better times.

[QUOTE=Canary;2475030]With Artemis planning on opening on 1st September (providing there is no huge surge in further infections) does anyone have any info for the Hessen local government regards Sharks reopening?

I understand there has been some improvements undertaken at Sharks during the closure so it's likely they do plan to open. Whenever that date is.

Personally I would prefer to visit Sharks but if the Artemis opening goes ahead and it's a relative success after a couple of weeks I might just take a trip there rather than wait for Sharks to open. It's been three years since I was last at Artemis & unfortunately I have got use to the cheaper prices in Hessen Clubs![/QUOTE]Lets wait and see if Artemis will really be allowed to reopen, when Finca was refused. If they open, after my climbing and when I get new engine, I will make a run to discover, because my new Globe girl is from Artemis and really pretty with good manners.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2475106]EL: in Europe the situation is getting worse and worse so I don t believe the FKK will open soon, on the contrary new travel restriction are being implemented in more and more countries. Sorry to repeat, visiting prostitutes is at high risk, need to wait for better times.[/QUOTE]I agree and I still can't understand how Artemis is celebrating the opening on September 1st.

Sorry to say but you have to be really desperate -not to mention sick to take the risk in this situation. Sex addict can be much worse than we think.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2475106]EL: in Europe the situation is getting worse and worse so I don t believe the FKK will open soon, on the contrary new travel restriction are being implemented in more and more countries. Sorry to repeat, visiting prostitutes is at high risk, need to wait for better times.[/QUOTE]Exactly, unfortunately there is much "wishful thinking" here, and many commenters either don't live in Europe or don't bother to check the European news. As I said before: "seeing is believing," and I remain sceptical that Artemis will open in September, because Rheinland Pfalz was going to open brothels in July but was reprimanded by the other German federal states and cancelled the openings.

Whether there is actually any real significance to all these "new cases" remains to be seen, as deaths and ICU patients, as a percentage of cases, continues to decrease, but fact is that the media and the politicians love to create drama for power and money.

Tony Heller about CV19 and explaining percentages, media manipulation, comparing CV19 to the Spanish Flu, and comparing Sweden's approach to other countries: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVLCsbZpak[/URL].

Tuesday the 18 August, Merkel in Dusseldorf explain that there can't be further measures taken to come back to normal, probably Artemis and all the FKK will not reopen this year.

It is impossible that Artemis will open, Merkel told yesterday in Dusseldorf that the situation is getting worse and that no new measures can be taken to come back to normal.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2476597]It is impossible that Artemis will open, Merkel told yesterday in Dusseldorf that the situation is getting worse and that no new measures can be taken to come back to normal.[/QUOTE]Needless to say, I'm not surprised.

Any updates on when Sharks is expected to open? I heard that Artemis and other ones are open already.

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2480738]Any updates on when Sharks is expected to open? I heard that Artemis and other ones are open already.[/QUOTE]Berlin, Saarland and Bavaria are trying, with mask, but not Hessen nor NRW. What is the interest and pleasure to have sex with mask? At 6 ens NL, You have to have mask in the club, I can t survive with a mask, can t have desire, even I put in public places for respect for others.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480915]Berlin, Saarland and Bavaria are trying, with mask, but not Hessen nor NRW. What is the interest and pleasure to have sex with mask? At 6 ens NL, You have to have mask in the club, I can t survive with a mask, can t have desire, even I put in public places for respect for others.[/QUOTE]So FKK clubs in Bavaria and Saarland are open? I know about Artemis.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2480999]So FKK clubs in Bavaria and Saarland are open? I know about Artemis.[/QUOTE]Paradise Sarrebrucken claim to open on 7. Wait and see.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480915]Berlin, Saarland and Bavaria are trying, with mask, but not Hessen nor NRW. What is the interest and pleasure to have sex with mask? At 6 ens NL, You have to have mask in the club, I can t survive with a mask, can t have desire, even I put in public places for respect for others.[/QUOTE]It should be suggested to clubs to let girls wear transparent plastic visors for protection as you can see the face.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2481585]It should be suggested to clubs to let girls wear transparent plastic visors for protection as you can see the face.[/QUOTE]Seeing is good point, but I like to kiss and touch their face, then you feel how they react about hair, make up, from your way to behave. Mask is killing pleasure for me. Except for a attractive girl I know, I won t go.

The girls take off their mask when they sit and when they talk to you so basically, you can clearly see their face.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2481592]Seeing is good point, but I like to kiss and touch their face, then you feel how they react about hair, make up, from your way to behave. Mask is killing pleasure for me. Except for a attractive girl I know, I won t go.[/QUOTE]The transparent face shield would be worn in the public area so customers can see the face clearly. Obviously in the room the shield should come off.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2481872]The transparent face shield would be worn in the public area so customers can see the face clearly. Obviously in the room the shield should come off.[/QUOTE]Well, has anyone here tried yet?

Transparent mask is for sure the good solution not to get the covid 19, as we are all aware the infection rate is going strongly down in the recent weeks so it is really the right time to visit again the FKK and prostitute.

Visors are useless, that has been proven, zero protection.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2481970]Visors are useless, that has been proven, zero protection.[/QUOTE]Saying so is not sufficient, you need to say why.

No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2482201]No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.[/QUOTE]Some girls don't smoke, few even stopped to smoke. Girls with no business need to kill boredom and stress to wait.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2482201]No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.[/QUOTE]Haha good question. They will take you to the room and smoke on your time and dime.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2482201]No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.[/QUOTE]Haha LOL so true!

They're allowed to remove the mask when sitting down in a sofa etc.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2482201]No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.[/QUOTE]They take it off for smoking like they do for drinking, eating.

I saw theft problem in Sharks on the Net such as Google.

Some Japanese said that their money which was posted in the security box was stolen at sharks.

They said theft problem to sharks reception and wanted to watch security cameras but the reception said 'NO'.

They suspect the sharks staffs are thieves.

One Japanese asked these questions to sharks by e-mail but sharks ignored.

Do you know this problem?

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2482201]No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.[/QUOTE]I read somewhere that when you walk around in club both men and girls have to wear mask, but when you sit in sofa you can take it off.

Of course it makes no sense to me unless you don't catch covid when you sit, but to answer your question they will smoke when they sit.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2482280]I read somewhere that when you walk around in club both men and girls have to wear mask, but when you sit in sofa you can take it off.

Of course it makes no sense to me unless you don't catch covid when you sit, but to answer your question they will smoke when they sit.[/QUOTE]When you walk you spread little viruses of covid everywhere. When you sit they stay close to you.

[QUOTE=Naghoge4;2482272]I saw theft problem in Sharks on the Net such as Google.

Some Japanese said that their money which was posted in the security box was stolen at sharks.

They said theft problem to sharks reception and wanted to watch security cameras but the reception said 'NO'.

They suspect the sharks staffs are thieves.

One Japanese asked these questions to sharks by e-mail but sharks ignored.

Do you know this problem?[/QUOTE]Was never stolen my money at Sharks, and first time I hear about this.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2482201]No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.[/QUOTE]This is the truest statement I've read on ISG for months & it made me laugh.

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When you sit with a girl, chatting with her, you share virus.

[QUOTE=Canary;2482316]This is the truest statement I've read on ISG for months & it made me laugh.
[/QUOTE]LOL, happy to oblige!

[QUOTE=Naghoge4;2482272]I saw theft problem in Sharks on the Net such as Google.

Some Japanese said that their money which was posted in the security box was stolen at sharks.

They said theft problem to sharks reception and wanted to watch security cameras but the reception said 'NO'.

They suspect the sharks staffs are thieves.

One Japanese asked these questions to sharks by e-mail but sharks ignored.

Do you know this problem?[/QUOTE]Last year, just as I left the club to eat dinner, I saw an Asian reporting theft to the reception.

I don't know the detailed situation.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2482301]Was never stolen my money at Sharks, and first time I hear about this.[/QUOTE]Same here. I never had any of my things or money stolen in any FKK in Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2482201]No one is asking the real question -- how will the girls smoke if they have to wear masks? I've never known an FKK girl who could go more than 10 minutes, often 5, with a cig.[/QUOTE]I knew few. For example, Sharks Aylice never smoked.

[QUOTE=Naghoge4;2482272]I saw theft problem in Sharks on the Net such as Google.

Some Japanese said that their money which was posted in the security box was stolen at sharks.

They said theft problem to sharks reception and wanted to watch security cameras but the reception said 'NO'.

They suspect the sharks staffs are thieves.

One Japanese asked these questions to sharks by e-mail but sharks ignored.

Do you know this problem?[/QUOTE]Last year, just as I left the club to eat dinner, I saw an Asian reporting theft to the reception.

I don't know the detailed situation.

Does anyone have any up to date news on the district of Hessen relaxing the law on closure of sex establishments like Sharks?

I ask as some districts have or intend to allow sex venues to reopen.

Personally I'm not too worried as continued closure of Sharks & other Hessen FKK Clubs requires me to make no decision whether to risk return however if & when they do open I will be tortured as to what to do.

I've already started to contemplate going to Artemis which I've avoided visiting for about three years due to the declining service & high prices. However a reopening of the Hessen Clubs specifically Sharks would be harder to resist with or without Covid.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2482402]I knew few. For example, Sharks Aylice never smoked.[/QUOTE]I am generally terrible w / WG names, who can remember so many girls anyway! But yes, I have seen a few girls here and there who did not smoke.

I do remember girls named Alyse, Alice etc in Sharks though. One was a blonde if I remember right but she did smoke like a chimney. Perhaps you may have some other girl in mind -- Alice is such a common name.

One time I saw a group of young guys probably with migration background opening several lockers in Shark, but I do nothing just because I don t want to get in trouble with those guys and it is the responsibility of Shark to guarantee the safety of the belongings. The same took place in Paradise Saarbrucken again with a group of French aggressive guys but that time a knew a security guy, a black guy from Senegal extremely impressive (may be 2.10 high, 120 kilos) I spoke to him and he went to the lockers and through all the guys out.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2482481]I am generally terrible w / WG names, who can remember so many girls anyway! But yes, I have seen a few girls here and there who did not smoke.

I do remember girls named Alyse, Alice etc in Sharks though. One was a blonde if I remember right but she did smoke like a chimney. Perhaps you may have some other girl in mind -- Alice is such a common name.[/QUOTE]Helli was a natural beauty with perfect tits with pointing nipples, but put silicon. Aliz had Marilyn look and stockings. Aylice was a small Bulgarian brunette. I'm not into Bulgarians, but I loved Aylice beautiful smile and so lovely. She was what was Sharks quality before, like Sandra. De.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2482402]I knew few. For example, Sharks Aylice never smoked.[/QUOTE]Or Manuela from Bulgaria.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2482557]Helli was a natural beauty with perfect tits with pointing nipples, but put silicon. Aliz had Marilyn look and stockings. Aylice was a small Bulgarian brunette. I'm not into Bulgarians, but I loved Aylice beautiful smile and so lovely. She was what was Sharks quality before, like Sandra. De.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. Somehow my experience is always way better with Bulgarians than Romanians. Another great example of service excellence is Maria BG in Bernds, so lucky to meet her when she was in early 20's. Manuela BG Sharks and most of her Bulgarian friends are great too. There are few awesome Bulgarians in Oase and World too. Oh man, so much good memory!

BTW Siri, have you met Selena RO in GT Vienna?

[QUOTE=DistSelgate;2482423]Last year, just as I left the club to eat dinner, I saw an Asian reporting theft to the reception..[/QUOTE]In club I take with me one credit card only and I leave the cash in both small and big lockers, most in small of course. But I don't trust them to be honest, it is very easy for them to have a partner 'dressed' as monger checking the lockers when no one is looking. I am sure that when the real monger comes back to check the locker how much money he has left after several drinks he won't be sure why 200-300 euro are missing. And even if he ask to see the video how do you know if the video suddenly 'stopped'recording during the mugging?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2482539]One time I saw a group of young guys probably with migration background opening several lockers in Shark[/QUOTE]How were they opening the lockers? Picking the locks or forcing them etc?

[QUOTE=Canary;2482468]Does anyone have any up to date news on the district of Hessen relaxing the law on closure of sex establishments like Sharks?

I ask as some districts have or intend to allow sex venues to reopen.

Personally I'm not too worried as continued closure of Sharks & other Hessen FKK Clubs requires me to make no decision whether to risk return however if & when they do open I will be tortured as to what to do.

I've already started to contemplate going to Artemis which I've avoided visiting for about three years due to the declining service & high prices. However a reopening of the Hessen Clubs specifically Sharks would be harder to resist with or without Covid.[/QUOTE]NRW clubs are reopening. Also Paradise Sarrebrucken.

It is a very good idea to visit prostitute and FKK, just a small problem is that the second wave of covid has already started in Europe, but so many mongers don t care like when the same are doing AO, there is a long way to go for many guys just to let them understand that they have to control their libido and not the contrary.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2482818]It is a very good idea to visit prostitute and FKK, just a small problem is that the second wave of covid has already started in Europe, but so many mongers don t care like when the same are doing AO, there is a long way to go for many guys just to let them understand that they have to control their libido and not the contrary.[/QUOTE]But virus lost strength and fortunately, now in most part of the world, much less deaths. Of course, still dangerous for old, fat, diabetic, suffering from cancer, heart or lungs problems.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2482836]But virus lost strength and fortunately, now in most part of the world, much less deaths. Of course, still dangerous for old, fat, diabetic, suffering from cancer, heart or lungs problems.[/QUOTE]According to an expert in business insider that is too early to tell. Partly because of the incubation period. If deaths still haven't accumulated 3 weeks from now like we saw in March / April, then I agree. But this second wave just begun a week or so ago.

You also have to consider two factors:

1. Hospitals are now better at handling the sick.

2. The average age of the people with positive cases have gone down quite dramatically. And younger people have a much higher survivability rate.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2482894]You also have to consider two factors:

1. Hospitals are now better at handling the sick.

2. The average age of the people with positive cases have gone down quite dramatically. And younger people have a much higher survivability rate.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. This long but informative FT article reinforces your points, plus some.

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2482893]According to an expert in business insider that is too early to tell. Partly because of the incubation period. If deaths still haven't accumulated 3 weeks from now like we saw in March / April, then I agree. But this second wave just begun a week or so ago.[/QUOTE]More cases because much more tests, now about 1 million made per week in France, some people made many tests, I didn't any, but we have now around 10 deaths per day in France, not more than any infection, when we had up to 800 in April. Just have to protect old and weak health people, what don't do Sweden which kill many of their old people.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2482772]How were they opening the lockers? Picking the locks or forcing them etc?[/QUOTE]The locks are not high security. Very easy for someone to copy a master key or even to copy the same key they were given to come back later and open the locker.

Any guidelines from the Hesse government on when Sharks and other places might open, given that Artemis and others are already open?

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2483120]Any guidelines from the Hesse government on when Sharks and other places might open, given that Artemis and others are already open?[/QUOTE]While a court in another federal state ruled that an all-out closure of all brothels is not appropriate give that other businesses can open, this does not automatically means that the large clubs will be able to operate.

It is likely that smaller brothels will be able to operate legally, but its quite easy to setup rules such that FKK clubs (many people in a large room) will not be able to operate economically. E. g. By limiting the number of people so 10-20 per room. And to be honest I would consider it sensible to keep the FKK clubs closed. Same reasons why restaurants can open but music club style establishments can't.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2482903]Totally agree. This long but informative FT article reinforces your points, plus some.

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371[/URL][/QUOTE]Informative article, yes. But I did not see anything in that article to "reinforce" or refute Piston's two points.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2482894]You also have to consider two factors:

1. Hospitals are now better at handling the sick.

2. The average age of the people with positive cases have gone down quite dramatically. And younger people have a much higher survivability rate.[/QUOTE]What surprised me was the last graph. It shows the infection rate per million in the Scandinavian countries. Is Finland still in lockdown? Their current numbers are about the same as France and Spain's at the peak of the lockdown. Scandinavians are either (1) extremely skilled at isolating themselves and keeping physical distance, or (2) they are so healthy that they can get infected, be asymptomatic, and thus never need to visit a doctor to receive a positive test.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2483177]Informative article, yes. But I did not see anything in that article to "reinforce" or refute Piston's two points.

What surprised me was the last graph. It shows the infection rate per million in the Scandinavian countries. Is Finland still in lockdown? Their current numbers are about the same as France and Spain's at the peak of the lockdown. Scandinavians are either (1) extremely skilled at isolating themselves and keeping physical distance, or (2) they are so healthy that they can get infected, be asymptomatic, and thus never need to visit a doctor to receive a positive test.[/QUOTE]Denmark, Norway and Finland is running the same strategy it seems. The reason why you see an increase in Norway and Denmark is linked to partying students when returning after the vacation. I guess Finnish students are more abiding by the rules.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2483177]
What surprised me was the last graph. It shows the infection rate per million in the Scandinavian countries. Is Finland still in lockdown? Their current numbers are about the same as France and Spain's at the peak of the lockdown. Scandinavians are either (1) extremely skilled at isolating themselves and keeping physical distance, or (2) they are so healthy that they can get infected, be asymptomatic, and thus never need to visit a doctor to receive a positive test.[/QUOTE]Being Norwegian, I can only confirm that we've always preferred social distancing, even pre-Corona. LOL! But the main reason why we have a low infection and mortality rate is because Norwegians trust the government and apply the social guidelines given without protesting. Most of the infected are also younger, hence the low mortality rate.

There has to be some club / establishment in Hessen that had the foresight to launch some kind of legal action in recent days, especially now that we have openings in Berlin and NRW?

For me, Sharks has always been my favourite club, so I look forward to return especially now that the weather is still great.

I went to the supermarket a short while ago and heard what I refer to as Shark's anthem which they play so often in the club, "Let me love you" by Justin Bieber, and almost teared up. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euCqAq6BRa4[/URL].

[QUOTE=Turgid;2484550]I went to the supermarket a short while ago and heard what I refer to as Shark's anthem which they play so often in the club, "Let me love you" by Justin Bieber, and almost teared up. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euCqAq6BRa4[/URL].[/QUOTE]So true, brought back great memories!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2484550]I went to the supermarket a short while ago and heard what I refer to as Shark's anthem which they play so often in the club, "Let me love you" by Justin Bieber, and almost teared up. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euCqAq6BRa4[/URL].[/QUOTE]Haha there are a few songs which always remind me of these clubs. Rihanna's Diamonds was played so many times, especially when a dancer wanted to go up to the pole; Teka lali Shprit by Silva always always reminds me of these clubs. Lately in the last few years, I heard Nicky Jam's Travesuras a whole bunch of times in these clubs. Some Manele songs (I can't remember the words) unfailingly remind me of Oase. One hip-hop by Priscilla called John Dough reminds me of Artemis so much from the 2013/14 period.

It is unclear why a given song is so tied with a specific club memory. I mean, I heard those specific songs by Rihanna and Nicky Jam even before I went to the club, but it may be that I was having a particularly good time or may be I liked a dancer who went up the pole and it created positive memory or what not. I can't analyze it but some songs are so imprinted, when I hear them I immediately think of the club.

One other thing. It just struck me that I have never had sex so many times with music that loud blaring across except in FKKs. It is a weird thing. Super loud music and huge din of so many people talking and shouting and laughing, tons of smoke. Not necessarily the best ingredients to make your wood hard, but at this stage of my life nearly a quarter or more of my best sex sessions ever were in those conditions. Weird world I am living in, LOL.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2484877]Haha there are a few songs which always remind me of these clubs. Rihanna's Diamonds was played so many times, especially when a dancer wanted to go up to the pole; Teka lali Shprit by Silva always always reminds me of these clubs. Lately in the last few years, I heard Nicky Jam's Travesuras a whole bunch of times in these clubs. Some Manele songs (I can't remember the words) unfailingly remind me of Oase. One hip-hop by Priscilla called John Dough reminds me of Artemis so much from the 2013/14 period.

It is unclear why a given song is so tied with a specific club memory. I mean, I heard those specific songs by Rihanna and Nicky Jam even before I went to the club, but it may be that I was having a particularly good time or may be I liked a dancer who went up the pole and it created positive memory or what not. I can't analyze it but some songs are so imprinted, when I hear them I immediately think of the club.

One other thing. It just struck me that I have never had sex so many times with music that loud blaring across except in FKKs. It is a weird thing. Super loud music and huge din of so many people talking and shouting and laughing, tons of smoke. Not necessarily the best ingredients to make your wood hard, but at this stage of my life nearly a quarter or more of my best sex sessions ever were in those conditions. Weird world I am living in, LOL.[/QUOTE]There is a song by a metal group called W. A. S. P. It is called 'I fuck like a beast ' should be anthem in all clubs haha.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2484877]Haha there are a few songs which always remind me of these clubs. Rihanna's Diamonds was played so many times, especially when a dancer wanted to go up to the pole; Teka lali Shprit by Silva always always reminds me of these clubs. Lately in the last few years, I heard Nicky Jam's Travesuras a whole bunch of times in these clubs. Some Manele songs (I can't remember the words) unfailingly remind me of Oase. One hip-hop by Priscilla called John Dough reminds me of Artemis so much from the 2013/14 period.

It is unclear why a given song is so tied with a specific club memory. I mean, I heard those specific songs by Rihanna and Nicky Jam even before I went to the club, but it may be that I was having a particularly good time or may be I liked a dancer who went up the pole and it created positive memory or what not. I can't analyze it but some songs are so imprinted, when I hear them I immediately think of the club.

One other thing. It just struck me that I have never had sex so many times with music that loud blaring across except in FKKs. It is a weird thing. Super loud music and huge din of so many people talking and shouting and laughing, tons of smoke. Not necessarily the best ingredients to make your wood hard, but at this stage of my life nearly a quarter or more of my best sex sessions ever were in those conditions. Weird world I am living in, LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't mind having sex to sexy tunes sung by women. But I suppose Sharks likes to mix it up a bit especially when they play this one which every Sharks aficianado would have heard in the club: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BV37Dcxj9s[/URL].

I remember very beautiful voice coming from Norway Isolin Solheim: where are you now? Compare to ridiculous Bieber or Timberlake. At Samya, staff ask me why I stay in entry, but I don t want to kill my ears with bad manele DJ.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2484877]Haha there are a few songs which always remind me of these clubs. Rihanna's Diamonds was played so many times, especially when a dancer wanted to go up to the pole; Teka lali Shprit by Silva always always reminds me of these clubs. Lately in the last few years, I heard Nicky Jam's Travesuras a whole bunch of times in these clubs. Some Manele songs (I can't remember the words) unfailingly remind me of Oase. One hip-hop by Priscilla called John Dough reminds me of Artemis so much from the 2013/14 period.

It is unclear why a given song is so tied with a specific club memory. I mean, I heard those specific songs by Rihanna and Nicky Jam even before I went to the club, but it may be that I was having a particularly good time or may be I liked a dancer who went up the pole and it created positive memory or what not. I can't analyze it but some songs are so imprinted, when I hear them I immediately think of the club.[/QUOTE]It is also great they usually put will. I. am's It's My Birthday song whenever one of the girls celebrates her birthday: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuM7hObGjWI[/URL] .

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485076]I remember very beautiful voice coming from Norway Isolin Solheim: where are you now? Compare to ridiculous Bieber or Timberlake. At Samya, staff ask me why I stay in entry, but I don t want to kill my ears with bad manele DJ.[/QUOTE]Yeah, great voice. But like world Idol Kurt Nilsen (also from norway), she doesn't have the looks. And as Simon Cowell put it, "would be better on the radio."

Unfortunately singers are not singers today. They are put there due to looks 95% of the time.

And that is why Ariana Grande, Zara Larsson and Tove Lo with her nipple flashes on stage pull more crowds at concerts like I saw up close once. And apparently everyone in the crowds were talking about how famous she was from pulling that. And how that was the highlight of the night. LOL!

And can we blame them? Here on a sex forum? And even if they do have fairly good looks, and a great voice. But still refuse to play on sex, they do not get fame. Like Ina Wroldsen who has a measly 266 k subscribers on her Youtube channel and doesn't even get mentioned as the voice on how deep is your love by that American jukeboxer I forgot the name of.

[URL]https://youtu.be/otoGymJcE7E[/URL]

Haha I also get memories from Sharks when hearing some songs. But I don't get it from other clubs, idk why.

The last time I was there I actually put the Shazam app to identify songs during my whole visit so I was able to find all these Romanian hits and make a Spotify playlist LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXQoUTOJeGc[/URL] Especially this song always makes me think of all the good memories from Sharks <3.

Ah yes, here is that old video from the world idol:

[URL]https://youtu.be/sIF-AMLe71s[/URL]

Another loss for the USA by the way. Kelly Clarkson was the first loser (2nd) after Kurt Nilsen. So the US broadcasters couldn't take the chance of a 2nd run of the world idol contest. So it got scrapped.

I don't know if we are keeping tracks here, but that is like another one. We should probably be at 6384 - 0 between me and takedown by now.

The judges comments are towards the end by the way.

Think I mentioned Tove Lo and her nipple flashes here. Wait, that is probably not legal in USA. Same as foul language on TV.

Please let me know if this YouTube video is blocked for you:

[URL]https://youtu.be/wEWBI7GXJPo[/URL]

And from 0:35 here.

[URL]https://youtu.be/8RQDPwODja4[/URL]

+2.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2485171]Haha I also get memories from Sharks when hearing some songs. But I don't get it from other clubs, idk why.[/QUOTE]Because they only have 1 playlist which rarely gets updated, and that playlist has been on "repeat" for years! LOL!

It drives the girls crazy having to listen to the same playlist every day, because they know by memory which song will come next.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2485175]Another loss for the USA by the way. Kelly Clarkson was the first loser (2nd) after Kurt Nilsen. So the US broadcasters couldn't take the chance of a 2nd run of the world idol contest. So it got scrapped.

I don't know if we are keeping tracks here, but that is like another one. We should probably be at 6384 - 0 between me and takedown by now.[/QUOTE]Obsession is the ultimate form of flattery. But also a bit creepy.

When I close my eyes and listen to this song I can almost hear sexy Romanian voices in the background. Then I open my eyes and am not in Sharks. Bummer. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUak2C_KEeU[/URL].

[QUOTE=Pistons;2485164]Yeah, great voice. But like world Idol Kurt Nilsen (also from norway), she doesn't have the looks. And as Simon Cowell put it, "would be better on the radio."

Unfortunately singers are not singers today. They are put there due to looks 95% of the time.

And that is why Ariana Grande, Zara Larsson and Tove Lo with her nipple flashes on stage pull more crowds at concerts like I saw up close once. And apparently everyone in the crowds were talking about how famous she was from pulling that. And how that was the highlight of the night. LOL!

And can we blame them? Here on a sex forum? And even if they do have fairly good looks, and a great voice. But still refuse to play on sex, they do not get fame. Like Ina Wroldsen who has a measly 266 k subscribers on her Youtube channel and doesn't even get mentioned as the voice on how deep is your love by that American jukeboxer I forgot the name of.

[URL]https://youtu.be/otoGymJcE7E[/URL][/QUOTE]You can't compare her voice with his, he is far below, but 2 others sent can compete. I saw her on live video, with her face, I think I would go to her in FKK, when Ariana Grande play vulgarity which pay with most, same like in brothels, when I m in love for elegance and chic which give charm for me. I love women, not porn.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2485189]Think I mentioned Tove Lo and her nipple flashes here. Wait, that is probably not legal in USA. Same as foul language on TV.

Please let me know if this YouTube video is blocked for you:

[URL]https://youtu.be/wEWBI7GXJPo[/URL]

And from 0:35 here.

[URL]https://youtu.be/8RQDPwODja4[/URL]

+2.[/QUOTE]I think Janet Jackson showed nipple on superbowl. Revolution in country of porn. Porn valley CA.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485076]I remember very beautiful voice coming from Norway Isolin Solheim: where are you now? Compare to ridiculous Bieber or Timberlake. At Samya, staff ask me why I stay in entry, but I don t want to kill my ears with bad manele DJ.[/QUOTE]Good one. Really brought back the memories. This is the first time I've heard it outside of Sharks. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DbC5DR7pU[/URL].

Ok, just checking in to see what's going on. Guess Sharks is still closed. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485384]Good one. Really brought back the memories. This is the first time I've heard it outside of Sharks. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DbC5DR7pU[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks for link. She doesn't need to be vulgar, to show her ass or tits, just her voice. Same like in brothels, rare elegance versus vulgarity.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2485607]Ok, just checking in to see what's going on. Guess Sharks is still closed. Sigh.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Sad. Let's get back to our new normal: Remembering Sharks by it's songs playlist.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485384]Good one. Really brought back the memories. This is the first time I've heard it outside of Sharks. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DbC5DR7pU[/URL].[/QUOTE]The keys player is wearing a mask in 2016. He was predicting the future!

BTW I love this song and for a strange reason I have it connected to a girl in Sharks, Mandy.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485380]You can't compare her voice with his, he is far below, but 2 others sent can compete. I saw her on live video, with her face, I think I would go to her in FKK, when Ariana Grande play vulgarity which pay with most, same like in brothels, when I m in love for elegance and chic which give charm for me. I love women, not porn.[/QUOTE]It is hard to compare any male voice with a female voice. Female voices are just a lot more fluid, and has higher potentials. But even so, he did beat kelly clarkson and he is not really good looking. Which were the two reasons I brought him up. Not to show the best singers. The two I sent you would be better fits if that was my goal.

There are good singers in usa also, as seen occasionally on some talent show. But usually they look weight half a ton and look like a 2 out of 10. So no record contract. Australian Sia is one singer that pulled through without many people ever having seen her in person. Perhaps it is different in Australia. It seems so to some degree at least. The country from where sexy Kylie Minogue came from. But let's be honest here, we'd all rather have gone to a Kylie Minogue concert than a Sia concert. When Kylie was 25 or 30 years old at least Hell, she looked great even at age 40!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2482301]Was never stolen my money at Sharks, and first time I hear about this.[/QUOTE]Same here. Doesn't seem to be a common problem.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2485384]Good one. Really brought back the memories. This is the first time I've heard it outside of Sharks. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DbC5DR7pU[/URL].[/QUOTE]Well, the US music industry is infamous in europe for only showing local artists on tv and radio. More nationalistic in that regard than any other country in the world. That is probably why you haven't heard it outside of sharks. I've heard that song so much that I don't find it that good any longer. Especially the drops in Alan Walker's music style gets tiring after a million listens and 50 songs that are somewhat in the same style. I suppose that goes with all artists. They all run on one style, and are unable to switch it up.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2485333]Because they only have 1 playlist which rarely gets updated, and that playlist has been on "repeat" for years! LOL!

It drives the girls crazy having to listen to the same playlist every day, because they know by memory which song will come next.[/QUOTE]At Oceans some of the girls sometimes goes back to the dj booth to pick their own songs. But when I asked for one song once, they didn't find it. Not sure if they had Spotify, or if the selection was just from songs they had on the PC. But at Sharks I suppose the girls have less of a say. At Artemis some girls get to choose the songs too as well.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2485665]The keys player is wearing a mask in 2016. He was predicting the future!

BTW I love this song and for a strange reason I have it connected to a girl in Sharks, Mandy.[/QUOTE]Where is she now?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2485765]It is hard to compare any male voice with a female voice. Female voices are just a lot more fluid, and has higher potentials. But even so, he did beat kelly clarkson and he is not really good looking. Which were the two reasons I brought him up. Not to show the best singers. The two I sent you would be better fits if that was my goal.

There are good singers in usa also, as seen occasionally on some talent show. But usually they look weight half a ton and look like a 2 out of 10. So no record contract. Australian Sia is one singer that pulled through without many people ever having seen her in person. Perhaps it is different in Australia. It seems so to some degree at least. The country from where sexy Kylie Minogue came from. But let's be honest here, we'd all rather have gone to a Kylie Minogue concert than a Sia concert. When Kylie was 25 or 30 years old at least Hell, she looked great even at age 40![/QUOTE]Listen to Klaus Nomi. Freddy Mercury had voice potential. Yes, Kylie Minogue, like Olivia Newton John, were super sexy without needing to be vulgar.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2485784]At Oceans some of the girls sometimes goes back to the dj booth to pick their own songs. But when I asked for one song once, they didn't find it. Not sure if they had Spotify, or if the selection was just from songs they had on the PC. But at Sharks I suppose the girls have less of a say. At Artemis some girls get to choose the songs too as well.[/QUOTE]I visited Oceans just once tempted by the idea of seeing a new club, think it was within the first six months after it opened, and was a pretty disappointing experience. I think I had a single session and only because I don't like to leave a club with no fuck sessions. Do you like Oceans? Has it improved at all (I am talking pre covid).

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485806]Where is she now?[/QUOTE]This is why I like the song.

Where are you know I am also asking her. She was one of the best girls in Sharks, German and super sexy and awesome sex. She had a small heart tattoo on her ass.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2485838]I visited Oceans just once tempted by the idea of seeing a new club, think it was within the first six months after it opened, and was a pretty disappointing experience. I think I had a single session and only because I don't like to leave a club with no fuck sessions. Do you like Oceans? Has it improved at all (I am talking pre covid).[/QUOTE]I shouldn't say as of now since I haven't been there in about a year now (And things change rapidly, but there was a bunch of girls there exactly of my preference for a few years. And more 8+ girls than any of the other nrw clubs if you ask me. But 6 months after a club opens is never a good idea. I heard the hot ones didn't arrive before 1.5-2 years or so after the club opened. So there was a great generation there. But only time will tell if any of them are still there. 3 of them (Bulgarian group except big titted Annie who was still there) have moved to Artemis though, but the romanians were still left last I was there. And they get some short time visiting girls from time to time also. So more girls test out the club than say Aca, Samya or even GT I'd say.

The club itself is not so important for me, but it is new and not run down. And easy to keep distance in as opposed to Samya if that's a big deal now too.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485812]Listen to Klaus Nomi. Freddy Mercury had voice potential. Yes, Kylie Minogue, like Olivia Newton John, were super sexy without needing to be vulgar.[/QUOTE]Yes Freddy Mercury is decent, but he never tries to go really deep with his voice. Just keeping it like a tenor.

Still, the fluidity is not even close to a good female singer. A completely different level! Compare him to this for example:

[URL]https://youtu.be/nyEN3MyXtrg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2485812]Listen to Klaus Nomi. Freddy Mercury had voice potential. Yes, Kylie Minogue, like Olivia Newton John, were super sexy without needing to be vulgar.[/QUOTE]Or this one for a bit different tone:

[URL]https://youtu.be/xN8vWlH0kPE[/URL]

I visited several times Ocean mostly at the opening, I liked the beautiful premises, good food but the girls were always to aggressive for me, there were more used to Turkish guys coming emptying their balls and leaving. As usual for me I left many times without a room, never returned since mid 2017.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486000]Yes Freddy Mercury is decent, but he never tries to go really deep with his voice. Just keeping it like a tenor.

Still, the fluidity is not even close to a good female singer. A completely different level! Compare him to this for example:

[URL]https://youtu.be/nyEN3MyXtrg[/URL][/QUOTE]Listen to him with Montserrat Caballe for Barcelona. When sometimes girls ask if I want music, I always switch off, I prefer girls natural music, but UK Kate Bush wuthering heights could inspire me for erotism and sensuality. US Tori Amos also has talentuous voice.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2486267]Listen to him with Montserrat Caballe for Barcelona.[/QUOTE]I actually thought that fat woman sang better than Freddie there. But maybe that's just me. Either way, seems this discussion ended then, seeing as the fat woman just sang.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2486511]I actually thought that fat woman sang better than Freddie there. But maybe that's just me. Either way, seems this discussion ended then, seeing as the fat woman just sang.[/QUOTE]Of course, Montserrat Caballe sings better, she is one of the most famous voice in the world. Like was Maria Callas. A bit higher quality than FKK music where DJ manele is just torture for ears. I was so happy on my 12 September visit at Samya, casting and foods were not on top, even I ate twice kebab and some girls could compete with Globe casting, but no DJ, so quiet, I could stay in lounge.

Is Hesse just not going to allow the brothels to open anytime soon, unlike Berlin and other states?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2486617]Of course, Montserrat Caballe sings better, she is one of the most famous voice in the world. Like was Maria Callas. A bit higher quality than FKK music where DJ manele is just torture for ears. ........[/QUOTE]At one time Oase had two genres of music playing in the club. In the bar area you got popular current music while in the men's changing room there were songs by the likes of Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Tony Bennett, Perry Como et al. I used to enjoy the changing room music.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2487072]At one time Oase had two genres of music playing in the club. In the bar area you got popular current music while in the men's changing room there were songs by the likes of Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Tony Bennett, Perry Como et al. I used to enjoy the changing room music.[/QUOTE]In Oase restaurant, usually Italian songs, but not the best. No Vivaldi.

Why would you want classical music in a fuck club? Well, in the wellness area where I want to get a quick sleep, Chopin Nocturne or Ravel piano concerto or Beethoven Moonlight sonata is would be OK. Out there in the middle. In the lounge or even the cafeteria of Oase and hot tub, I want blood circulating and juices pumping; I want to hear manele, even bad manele or salt and papa or 50 cent or terror squad. The idea is to see the girls get into the mood, shake their booty and get the dick hard seeing all those naked chicks strutting their stuff.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2487202]Why would you want classical music in a fuck club? Well, in the wellness area where I want to get a quick sleep, Chopin Nocturne or Ravel piano concerto or Beethoven Moonlight sonata is would be OK. Out there in the middle. In the lounge or even the cafeteria of Oase and hot tub, I want blood circulating and juices pumping; I want to hear manele, even bad manele or salt and papa or 50 cent or terror squad. The idea is to see the girls get into the mood, shake their booty and get the dick hard seeing all those naked chicks strutting their stuff.[/QUOTE]I believe the songs we mentioned has a pop version as well as a classical style version. But voices are normally better in the slowed down classical style.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2487202]Why would you want classical music in a fuck club? Well, in the wellness area where I want to get a quick sleep, Chopin Nocturne or Ravel piano concerto or Beethoven Moonlight sonata is would be OK. Out there in the middle. In the lounge or even the cafeteria of Oase and hot tub, I want blood circulating and juices pumping; I want to hear manele, even bad manele or salt and papa or 50 cent or terror squad. The idea is to see the girls get into the mood, shake their booty and get the dick hard seeing all those naked chicks strutting their stuff.[/QUOTE]I told in restaurant, not in lounge, and I prefer real musicians, even for rock, than so shit Romanian music. One of the best music, from 70's, is Villa Venus, more interesting than casting.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2487202]Why would you want classical music in a fuck club? Well, in the wellness area where I want to get a quick sleep, Chopin Nocturne or Ravel piano concerto or Beethoven Moonlight sonata is would be OK. Out there in the middle. In the lounge or even the cafeteria of Oase and hot tub, I want blood circulating and juices pumping; I want to hear manele, even bad manele or salt and papa or 50 cent or terror squad. The idea is to see the girls get into the mood, shake their booty and get the dick hard seeing all those naked chicks strutting their stuff.[/QUOTE]I'm old school. I would enjoy opera especially sung by females, in the cafeteria / restaurant area. I would enjoy while eating. Not necessarily in the bar area, you could have your popular music there, good for drinking and groping.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2487202]Why would you want classical music in a fuck club? Well, in the wellness area where I want to get a quick sleep, Chopin Nocturne or Ravel piano concerto or Beethoven Moonlight sonata is would be OK. Out there in the middle. In the lounge or even the cafeteria of Oase and hot tub, I want blood circulating and juices pumping; I want to hear manele, even bad manele or salt and papa or 50 cent or terror squad. The idea is to see the girls get into the mood, shake their booty and get the dick hard seeing all those naked chicks strutting their stuff.[/QUOTE]The kind of chicks whose nipples stiffen upon hearing Chopin are exactly they type I don't want to be fucking. My kind of girl doesn't even know how to pronounce "Chopin" hahahaha! We be "choppin" in the room LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487428]The kind of chicks whose nipples stiffen upon hearing Chopin are exactly they type I don't want to be fucking. My kind of girl doesn't even know how to pronounce "Chopin" hahahaha! We be "choppin" in the room LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]When most of girls walk like duck on heels, I remember German Janine walking with her feet going inside, even she had evening heels, not platform 25 cm heels, when real dancers are so erotic the way they move. Erotic but not vulgar shaking ass, much more desirable for me. Only problem for real dancers, when they know better about their body, is they usually have bad care feet because of dance. Cut them as I told them, so they look at me with round eyes, saying: but you are crazy, if I cut my feet, I can't dance anymore. But give great firm, flexible, sexy bodies moving with grace.

Have any of the resident German members booked any Sharks girls as an Escort?

Being based in the UK I'm unable to even consider the option but I was wondering which girls have remained in Germany & are still working?

[QUOTE=Canary;2506752]Have any of the resident German members booked any Sharks girls as an Escort?

Being based in the UK I'm unable to even consider the option but I was wondering which girls have remained in Germany & are still working?[/QUOTE]Some Sharks or Oase girls are working in hotel or apartment.

[QUOTE=Canary;2506752]Have any of the resident German members booked any Sharks girls as an Escort?

Being based in the UK I'm unable to even consider the option but I was wondering which girls have remained in Germany & are still working?[/QUOTE]There are quite a few girls working in Germany as an escort. You can find more than ten names in Lustscout. Some girls like Anika, Melody, Roxi, Vanessa do not show their faces and therefore not easy to identify right away. They don't stay in Germany all the time either.

[QUOTE=Canary;2506752]Have any of the resident German members booked any Sharks girls as an Escort?

Being based in the UK I'm unable to even consider the option but I was wondering which girls have remained in Germany & are still working?[/QUOTE]Just go to ladies. De or kaufmich. De, you will probably find some of the girls from Shark, Oase, World, most of them will not have change job just because they can only open their holes to everyone willing to pay 50 euros for it.

[QUOTE=Canary;2506752]Have any of the resident German members booked any Sharks girls as an Escort?

Being based in the UK I'm unable to even consider the option but I was wondering which girls have remained in Germany & are still working?[/QUOTE]Some moved to Austria for now, you can find them in BookSusi.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2506881]Just go to ladies. De or kaufmich. De, you will probably find some of the girls from Shark, Oase, World, most of them will not have change job just because they can only open their holes to everyone willing to pay 50 euros for it.[/QUOTE]But not for 50 € in hotel or appartment.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2506917]Some moved to Austria for now, you can find them in BookSusi.[/QUOTE]Just curious, anyone have an insight into why these gals hustle so hard? I get that in normal times they were making German wages when the pay and cost of living in Romania was lower, and many of them probably continued out of inertia since they had a network in the clubs.

But I wonder what it means that some of these girls are still at it, since they're no longer locked in by the social network, and the risk of sickness is higher. Sure, there's still the arbitrage to be made in Austria as much as Germany, so does that mean they're aware of their depreciating looks and trying to hustle for as much cash as they can while they still can?

Or do we assume that the ones still working are either super-ambitious, or have a drug habit or pimp to support?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2507119]Just curious, anyone have an insight into why these gals hustle so hard? I get that in normal times they were making German wages when the pay and cost of living in Romania was lower, and many of them probably continued out of inertia since they had a network in the clubs.

But I wonder what it means that some of these girls are still at it, since they're no longer locked in by the social network, and the risk of sickness is higher. Sure, there's still the arbitrage to be made in Austria as much as Germany, so does that mean they're aware of their depreciating looks and trying to hustle for as much cash as they can while they still can?

Or do we assume that the ones still working are either super-ambitious, or have a drug habit or pimp to support?[/QUOTE]Same reasons you and I hustle in our jobs, not much different.

I doubt many Hessen girls are working in Austria which is locked again since a while. Clubs are closed, even their national first sport is not open.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2507119]Or do we assume that the ones still working are either super-ambitious, or have a drug habit or pimp to support?[/QUOTE]No skills, no savings, pimp (choose one or more) If you've been to RO you'll often times see all three applies. When you have a nice house and car how willing are you to work at the supermarket for 3-400/ month? Kind of hard to explain how you got the house and car. Idk about ambitious there was one sharks girl that would just sit around she wanted 250/60 from a friend and 150/60 from me she can be found now at 50/15 with poor reviews.

Hi,

Does anyone know if Brenda does any escort now?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HotSauce691;2516121]Hi,

Does anyone know if Brenda does any escort now?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You like the big sagging boobs.

[QUOTE=HotSauce691;2516121]Hi,

Does anyone know if Brenda does any escort now?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I just asked locally about Brenda but sorry, I have got no info. I have info on maybe a couple of dozen girls from various clubs, but not much about Sharks girls, apart from Patrizia and Betty. Mostly it is a question of local contacts and watching the escort sites (Betty however is not advertising publicly as far as I know so I cannot put info here) but of course, I am not in Germany now so I can't make use of it.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2516357]I just asked locally about Brenda but sorry, I have got no info. I have info on maybe a couple of dozen girls from various clubs, but not much about Sharks girls, apart from Patrizia and Betty. Mostly it is a question of local contacts and watching the escort sites (Betty however is not advertising publicly as far as I know so I cannot put info here) but of course, I am not in Germany now so I can't make use of it.[/QUOTE]For sure she is somewhere doing escort and spreading wide open her legs, what can she otherwise do than fucking and sucking? Nothing or she will not be a prostitute.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2516462]For sure she is somewhere doing escort and spreading wide open her legs, what can she otherwise do than fucking and sucking? Nothing or she will not be a prostitute.[/QUOTE]Do you know amazing body Brenda / Lea / Leya? Maybe and I wish her, like for many others, she returned home in Romania. Most returned home, only few work escorting, some moved to Switzerland like miss GT 2019, or few LR girls. 5/6 Romanians from Oase which had higher looks in Germany, moved to Globe, and not even wow Ela or Alma, unfortunately for me.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516648]Do you know amazing body Brenda / Lea / Leya? Maybe and I wish her, like for many others, she returned home in Romania. Most returned home, only few work escorting, some moved to Switzerland like miss GT 2019, or few LR girls. 5/6 Romanians from Oase which had higher looks in Germany, moved to Globe, and not even wow Ela or Alma, unfortunately for me.[/QUOTE]May be but it is not the info I am getting, a lot of girls are doing escort in private apartment in Germany. Just advice you to go to Giessen (near FKK World) to see it by your own.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2516746]May be but it is not the info I am getting, a lot of girls are doing escort in private apartment in Germany. Just advice you to go to Giessen (near FKK World) to see it by your own.[/QUOTE]Brenda never worked at World, she may not even know Giessen. She would rather be in Darmstadt or Frankfurt, because most of Germans only go to their garden. When clubs are open, more than 500 girls in brothels around Frankfurt, not only big 5. How many do You know working in hotels or apartments? Not even sure 10% , when I m happy most returned home. I m always happy when girls return home because if they are not pimped and stolen money, then they should have better life than being fucked by everybody.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516971]Brenda never worked at World, she may not even know Giessen. She would rather be in Darmstadt or Frankfurt, because most of Germans only go to their garden. When clubs are open, more than 500 girls in brothels around Frankfurt, not only big 5. How many do You know working in hotels or apartments? Not even sure 10% , when I m happy most returned home. I m always happy when girls return home because if they are not pimped and stolen money, then they should have better life than being fucked by everybody.[/QUOTE]I know that Brenda never worked at World it was just to give a example of what the World girls are doing. I personally know 0 girls doing escort but I still have very trustful info's coming from ex FKK girls and it seems that many of them can t wait 1 year in Rumania without money, as you are aware, BF. Need money no money no love.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516648] not even wow Ela or Alma, unfortunately for me.[/QUOTE]Alma the girl with the tattoo I think on the arms? I forgot where exactly is the tattoo. But if that's her, she is a cute nice girl. Told me she is French when we first met. The next time I meet her again I ask her if she is Romanian, she said yes. Lied to me from where she is from, can't even keep a lie, haha. But nice girl, did not try to cheat me, only lied to me from where she is from.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2517122]Alma the girl with the tattoo I think on the arms? I forgot where exactly is the tattoo. But if that's her, she is a cute nice girl. Told me she is French when we first met. The next time I meet her again I ask her if she is Romanian, she said yes. Lied to me from where she is from, can't even keep a lie, haha. But nice girl, did not try to cheat me, only lied to me from where she is from.[/QUOTE]Her Mother is French and she lives in Paris, she was brought up in romania with her Father I believe. Now has a baby in Paris.

She is called Alma after the park in Paris, named after a battleground in Crimea.

Really good girl as you say. Pretty, and a little pocket dynamo.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2517122]Alma the girl with the tattoo I think on the arms? I forgot where exactly is the tattoo. But if that's her, she is a cute nice girl. Told me she is French when we first met. The next time I meet her again I ask her if she is Romanian, she said yes. Lied to me from where she is from, can't even keep a lie, haha. But nice girl, did not try to cheat me, only lied to me from where she is from.[/QUOTE]Alma I missed after discovering her on September 2019, but at Oase, not Sharks, and half German half Spanish, crazy in bed like can be some German girls. Only met Stefani for real French at Sharks, when some claim to be exotic French when they speak French after they worked in France, like many claim to be Spanish or Italian. One also claimed to be French at Oase, but not with me. When Oase had prettiest girls I saw on 2019, even higher looks than at Globe, 6 Oase girls moved to Globe on Summer 2020, but didn't see any from Sharks, 3 Germans from GT, 1 from Artemis, and these Oase girls were not even the prettiest I saw at Oase, with 2 wow Ela. Ro and Alma and really sexy Miss. Ro too much love with You. Only Elisa was really pretty, but put silicon between Oase and Globe and when she was not busy at Oase, she seems to get better business at Globe where she is one of the prettiest and Swiss are not so demanding for looks, most thinking expensive is good quality. Unfortunately, since 2016, Sharks casting fell for beauties, wish will higher with new beauties on reopening. Wait and see. Will be more than 1 year when clubs will reopen, so except few living in Germany, turning around for new business, should have new girls who need money when economic crisis will be after covid.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2517122]Alma the girl with the tattoo I think on the arms? I forgot where exactly is the tattoo. But if that's her, she is a cute nice girl. Told me she is French when we first met. The next time I meet her again I ask her if she is Romanian, she said yes. Lied to me from where she is from, can't even keep a lie, haha. But nice girl, did not try to cheat me, only lied to me from where she is from.[/QUOTE]Yes you speak of Alma the small of 1 m60 who speaks French half Romanian half French who claimed to have her father from Paris where she lived and her Romanian mother not the same girl that Sirioja mentions. Little Alma was doing great blowjobs but wouldn't let her pussy lick because she didn't like it and she was only 19 years old. Indeed tattoos on the arms but super cute and nice girl.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2517552]Alma I missed after discovering her on September 2019, but at Oase, not Sharks, and half German half Spanish, crazy in bed like can be some German girls. Only met Stefani for real French at Sharks, when some claim to be exotic French when they speak French after they worked in France, like many claim to be Spanish or Italian. One also claimed to be French at Oase, but not with me. When Oase had prettiest girls I saw on 2019, even higher looks than at Globe, 6 Oase girls moved to Globe on Summer 2020, but didn't see any from Sharks, 3 Germans from GT, 1 from Artemis, and these Oase girls were not even the prettiest I saw at Oase, with 2 wow Ela. Ro and Alma and really sexy Miss. Ro too much love with You. Only Elisa was really pretty, but put silicon between Oase and Globe and when she was not busy at Oase, she seems to get better business at Globe where she is one of the prettiest and Swiss are not so demanding for looks, most thinking expensive is good quality. Unfortunately, since 2016, Sharks casting fell for beauties, wish will higher with new beauties on reopening. Wait and see. Will be more than 1 year when clubs will reopen, so except few living in Germany, turning around for new business, should have new girls who need money when economic crisis will be after covid.[/QUOTE]Yes, I first met Alma in Oase, then on my last day in Germany before going back, she told me she will be working in Sharks after that day. Such a nice girl. Pretty. But not as pretty and good looking as Vicky from Oase.

[QUOTE=Nicky12;2517707]Yes you speak of Alma the small of 1 m60 who speaks French half Romanian half French who claimed to have her father from Paris where she lived and her Romanian mother not the same girl that Sirioja mentions. Little Alma was doing great blowjobs but wouldn't let her pussy lick because she didn't like it and she was only 19 years old. Indeed tattoos on the arms but super cute and nice girl.[/QUOTE]Might be the same one though, girls lies about where they come from, but I'm not sure LOL. What a time to have nostalgia of FKK when I already left FKK a long time and discovered Brazil LOL.

One say her mother is French, other say her father is, so who is really French? Or she just worked in France? When Alma is a bridge in Paris. Where Alma did stay in Sharks? When my Alma met, seemed to enjoy to fuck in Oase garden in day, but we went in room. Unfortunately, never saw her again at Oase when she told she would come back. Same for Ela who asked: You will come again for me when I will come back? For sure I would have for such pleasure with wow aura who became so girlfriend, but also never came back. But Oase had best looks for me in 2019. In 2020, could also find few attractive looks when clubs were open, prettier girls than most escorts, mostly Ukrainians, now in Paris.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2517879]Yes, I first met Alma in Oase, then on my last day in Germany before going back, she told me she will be working in Sharks after that day. Such a nice girl. Pretty. But not as pretty and good looking as Vicky from Oase.[/QUOTE]I don't think we speak about same girl, mine being small brunette with pretty face but didn't claim about France, but typical German behavior and fireworks for sex with no limit for DATY nor full foreplay and kissing. At least on our discovery, and really lovely for behavior after. It was on September 2019 during IAA. I remember a blond girl who spoke quite fluent French at Oase, friendly behavior but no attraction for me. I also remember a super sexy brunette, nearly 1,70, with pony tail, curvy round ass, Viki on April 2019, miss too much love with you, but didn't see her later on my many visits, unfortunately. Saw around 10 real beauties at Oase on 2019, Globe and Aphrodisia couldn't compete.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2518003]I don't think we speak about same girl, mine being small brunette with pretty face but didn't claim about France, but typical German behavior and fireworks for sex with no limit for DATY nor full foreplay and kissing. At least on our discovery, and really lovely for behavior after. It was on September 2019 during IAA. I remember a blond girl who spoke quite fluent French at Oase, friendly behavior but no attraction for me. I also remember a super sexy brunette, nearly 1,70, with pony tail, curvy round ass, Viki on April 2019, miss too much love with you, but didn't see her later on my many visits, unfortunately. Saw around 10 real beauties at Oase on 2019, Globe and Aphrodisia couldn't compete.[/QUOTE]Alma was a small size of about 1 meter 60 she was rather a scum of cited around the edges she told me that her father came from Seine-Saint-Denis from 93 in France. She spoke French perfectly. I don't know if she works in sharks because I have never been there however the few times I went to Oase I saw her there.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2517882]One say her mother is French, other say her father is, so who is really French? Or she just worked in France? When Alma is a bridge in Paris. Where Alma did stay in Sharks? When my Alma met, seemed to enjoy to fuck in Oase garden in day, but we went in room. Unfortunately, never saw her again at Oase when she told she would come back. Same for Ela who asked: You will come again for me when I will come back? For sure I would have for such pleasure with wow aura who became so girlfriend, but also never came back. But Oase had best looks for me in 2019. In 2020, could also find few attractive looks when clubs were open, prettier girls than most escorts, mostly Ukrainians, now in Paris.[/QUOTE]I met only 1 real French woman in FKK, it was in 15 or 16, in FKK Flamingo near the French boarder. Not to stay she was not a stunner and probably her parents (at least one) were from Morocco, Tunisia or Algeria.

[QUOTE=Nicky12;2518168]Alma was a small size of about 1 meter 60 she was rather a scum of cited around the edges she told me that her father came from Seine-Saint-Denis from 93 in France. She spoke French perfectly. I don't know if she works in sharks because I have never been there however the few times I went to Oase I saw her there.[/QUOTE]Is she dark blond and quite white skin?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2518003]I don't think we speak about same girl, mine being small brunette with pretty face but didn't claim about France, but typical German behavior and fireworks for sex with no limit for DATY nor full foreplay and kissing. At least on our discovery, and really lovely for behavior after. It was on September 2019 during IAA. I remember a blond girl who spoke quite fluent French at Oase, friendly behavior but no attraction for me. I also remember a super sexy brunette, nearly 1,70, with pony tail, curvy round ass, Viki on April 2019, miss too much love with you, but didn't see her later on my many visits, unfortunately. Saw around 10 real beauties at Oase on 2019, Globe and Aphrodisia couldn't compete.[/QUOTE]Yes we are not speaking of the same Alma. But we are talking about the same Viki. Very sexy, and my type. Last time I met her she was occupied by 1 guy for a whole day from evening till closing. But at the end when I meet her and other girls again after my trip to Brazil, I did not feel or see the fireworks or chemistry anymore, as they are all very businesslike in FKK. Would still visit just for the atmosphere though.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2518359]I met only 1 real French woman in FKK, it was in 15 or 16, in FKK Flamingo near the French boarder. Not to stay she was not a stunner and probably her parents (at least one) were from Morocco, Tunisia or Algeria.[/QUOTE]I met real French girls in Prestige Neunkirchen, Sharks, Amesia, but unfortunately no wow look, never went with any. Only went with 1 French escort, lovely but lack of exotism.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2518514]Yes we are not speaking of the same Alma. But we are talking about the same Viki. Very sexy, and my type. Last time I met her she was occupied by 1 guy for a whole day from evening till closing. But at the end when I meet her and other girls again after my trip to Brazil, I did not feel or see the fireworks or chemistry anymore, as they are all very businesslike in FKK. Would still visit just for the atmosphere though.[/QUOTE]I never saw again Viky after April 2019, unfortunately, when I visited many times after. If she wanted, I would have repeated when super sexy and also super GFE for me. I would also have run for Ela or my Alma.

What about the whole bunch of the MILF ladies that used to populate the left side of the bar?

Any of them seen in escort sites?

I had great time with a couple of them during my only Sharks visit in summer '19.

Really wish I could find them again when this whole thing blows over.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2519404]What about the whole bunch of the MILF ladies that used to populate the left side of the bar?

Any of them seen in escort sites?

I had great time with a couple of them during my only Sharks visit in summer '19.

Really wish I could find them again when this whole thing blows over.[/QUOTE]Usually this was the place for the German ladies, not my cup of tea at all, yes for sure they are doing some escort somewhere, what can they do else than open their legs or mouth to everyone willing to put 50 euros on the table.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2519404]What about the whole bunch of the MILF ladies that used to populate the left side of the bar?

Any of them seen in escort sites?

I had great time with a couple of them during my only Sharks visit in summer '19.

Really wish I could find them again when this whole thing blows over.[/QUOTE]If she is not in Bruggen, maybe plastic Sylvana back.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2519485]Usually this was the place for the German ladies, not my cup of tea at all, yes for sure they are doing some escort somewhere, what can they do else than open their legs or mouth to everyone willing to put 50 euros on the table.[/QUOTE]One might have been German, one was Baltic ex-soviet, not sure about the other.

I had great luck with them and I'm so lazy I just don't want to start over working on my network once all is back to normal.

For those who are interested I was told earlier during the pandemic by a German friend there was some refurbishment work going on at Sharks.

He mentioned new carpets, I think he said downstairs in the bar area. However I can definitely remember he said they were doing work upstairs in the cave room area, creating new rooms. Don't know how unless they were demolishing the whole fake caves?

Also he said they doing work to the rooms in the old cinema which suddenly made me think that despite numerous visits to Sharks I had never used those rooms. All the ladies I've been with always thought they were "below standard" for them to work in??

I've not spoken to my friend for a while as there's not much hope in the near future I will be making the trip so I'm unsure if the work has been completed or is ongoing.

A possible indication that the Sharks owners (at least at the time of construction) intend to reopen whenever they receive the green light.

Just passing on the info to those interested.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2519765]One might have been German, one was Baltic ex-soviet, not sure about the other.

I had great luck with them and I'm so lazy I just don't want to start over working on my network once all is back to normal.[/QUOTE]Lovely Latvian multi orgasmic Marina, Anjelika also Slavian, maybe Serbian? Silicon Kaira, and some Germans like long time Lara, when Sandra stopped since long time. Mandi stayed there. Best for me in this place was Polish Agnes, what a desirable woman type, even turned complicated between us, but great rooms, what a pleasure to play in bed with such beauty with elegant look.

[QUOTE=Canary;2519860]For those who are interested I was told earlier during the pandemic by a German friend there was some refurbishment work going on at Sharks.

He mentioned new carpets, I think he said downstairs in the bar area. However I can definitely remember he said they were doing work upstairs in the cave room area, creating new rooms. Don't know how unless they were demolishing the whole fake caves?

Also he said they doing work to the rooms in the old cinema which suddenly made me think that despite numerous visits to Sharks I had never used those rooms. All the ladies I've been with always thought they were "below standard" for them to work in??

I've not spoken to my friend for a while as there's not much hope in the near future I will be making the trip so I'm unsure if the work has been completed or is ongoing.

A possible indication that the Sharks owners (at least at the time of construction) intend to reopen whenever they receive the green light.

Just passing on the info to those interested.[/QUOTE]Thanks for an update! Regarding the old cinema rooms: those rooms are basic beds surrounded by 3 walls, with no wall on the hallway side. Instead, a simple rag curtain. Each wall is featuring a mirror similar to room 7 LR, but smaller size room. Some girls like these rooms, most don't. I agree, below standard because you hear the noise happening in other rooms on your left and on your right and across the corridor, and people talking as they pass by. Some passer-by girls may shamelessly pull the curtain to look inside pretending they are looking for a free room while you are fucking, and even make a comment about your performance or a joke about the size of your dick, etc. Somewhat informal atmosphere. Reminds me of an old times railroad car with no-door sleeping compartments you see in a train museum. I wouldn't recommend staying in such "room" more than 20 minutes. Ok for a quick 50 euro BJ and finish, maybe your first super fast room of the day. Today, however, that would be a train to a paradise during the pandemic LOL.

[QUOTE=Canary;2519860]For those who are interested I was told earlier during the pandemic by a German friend there was some refurbishment work going on at Sharks.

He mentioned new carpets, I think he said downstairs in the bar area. However I can definitely remember he said they were doing work upstairs in the cave room area, creating new rooms. Don't know how unless they were demolishing the whole fake caves?

Also he said they doing work to the rooms in the old cinema which suddenly made me think that despite numerous visits to Sharks I had never used those rooms. All the ladies I've been with always thought they were "below standard" for them to work in??

I've not spoken to my friend for a while as there's not much hope in the near future I will be making the trip so I'm unsure if the work has been completed or is ongoing.

A possible indication that the Sharks owners (at least at the time of construction) intend to reopen whenever they receive the green light.

Just passing on the info to those interested.[/QUOTE]They changed the bar and around not long ago, with also no more kino, but small, dark, low level, killing desire, rooms instead, when good rooms with window to see skin quality in daylight, I remember contemplating Megan beauty and her skin quality in sunny light, upstairs, and I also love chalets in garden, when I don t like much at Bruggen except 15. I don't know when, but I m pretty sure Sharks will reopen, like World or Mainhattan or Finca. Just have to wait, when Germany is a bit down under covid for second wave.

[QUOTE=Canary;2519860]Also he said they doing work to the rooms in the old cinema which suddenly made me think that despite numerous visits to Sharks I had never used those rooms. All the ladies I've been with always thought they were "below standard" for them to work in??[/QUOTE]Yes those rooms were rubbish and very cramped, very similar to those little 'rooms' in GT in the wellness / sauna area, near the cinema. Only the scam artist girls like to take customers to those little 'rooms' get in, suck-fuck, and get out.

The 'room' is no more than a queen size matras with mirrored walls on the side, a curtain in front of it, and a few square centimeters of space for your flip flops.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2519864]Lovely Latvian multi orgasmic Marina, Anjelika also Slavian, maybe Serbian? Silicon Kaira, and some Germans like long time Lara, when Sandra stopped since long time. Mandi stayed there. Best for me in this place was Polish Agnes, what a desirable woman type, even turned complicated between us, but great rooms, what a pleasure to play in bed with such beauty with elegant look.[/QUOTE]Also nice Lilliana. Lit / De was sitting there sometimes. Very nice attitude and slender body.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2519968]Some girls like these rooms, most don't. I agree, below standard because you hear the noise happening in other rooms on your left and on your right and across the corridor, and people talking as they pass by. Some passer-by girls may shamelessly pull the curtain to look inside pretending they are looking for a free room while you are fucking, and even make a comment about your performance or a joke about the size of your dick, etc.[/QUOTE]Obviously the girls I take are more refined LOL! LOL! Literally not one has suggested we use these rooms and when I've occasionally mentioned them I received a polite, "lets use the better rooms upstairs". Quite a statistic considering the amount of rooms I've taken at Sharks.

From everyone's comments I don't think these rooms are "my thing" but I'm very intrigued and might try to give them a go when I return. Whenever that is!! Of course if they have been refurbished they might be somewhat different now?

I've used the "caves" upstairs which I never particularly liked but it was preferable to a long wait for a room upstairs.

If they have redesigned the caves & "created" more rooms I can't imagine the ambiance will have improved?

[QUOTE=Canary;2520428]Obviously the girls I take are more refined LOL! LOL! Literally not one has suggested we use these rooms and when I've occasionally mentioned them I received a polite, "lets use the better rooms upstairs". Quite a statistic considering the amount of rooms I've taken at Sharks.

From everyone's comments I don't think these rooms are "my thing" but I'm very intrigued and might try to give them a go when I return. Whenever that is!! Of course if they have been refurbished they might be somewhat different now?

I've used the "caves" upstairs which I never particularly liked but it was preferable to a long wait for a room upstairs.

If they have redesigned the caves & "created" more rooms I can't imagine the ambiance will have improved?[/QUOTE]My "kino" room was with Melanie. It was her idea, she asked if I wanted to try kino. I didn't care, it was my last session of the evening. Mirrors were helpful. I wish Sharks had more mirrors upstairs like they have in many Samya rooms.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2520563]My "kino" room was with Melanie. It was her idea, she asked if I wanted to try kino. I didn't care, it was my last session of the evening. Mirrors were helpful. I wish Sharks had more mirrors upstairs like they have in many Samya rooms.[/QUOTE]They do have the 2 mirror rooms though. The fish tank one and the one upstairs on the right hallway opposite the window rooms. Unfortunately those seem to be 2 of the hottest rooms in the club with no airflow.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2520563]My "kino" room was with Melanie. It was her idea, she asked if I wanted to try kino. I didn't care, it was my last session of the evening. Mirrors were helpful. I wish Sharks had more mirrors upstairs like they have in many Samya rooms.[/QUOTE]Very small dark rooms with no wall nor door, in ex kino have mirror? When really dark.

I went to the supermarket yesterday and heard this song and thought I had walked into Sharks.

Close your eyes and listen to it and you will think you are in Sharks.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9a4geJGsjU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2521513]I went to the supermarket yesterday and heard this song and thought I had walked into Sharks.

Close your eyes and listen to it and you will think you are in Sharks.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9a4geJGsjU[/URL][/QUOTE]Not quite, you miss the 'zimmer baby' or 'I tell you what I make in the room' noises! LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2521513]I went to the supermarket yesterday and heard this song and thought I had walked into Sharks.

Close your eyes and listen to it and you will think you are in Sharks.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9a4geJGsjU[/URL][/QUOTE]Walking through the fruit and veg section with a hard-on...

[QUOTE=Turgid;2521513]I went to the supermarket yesterday and heard this song and thought I had walked into Sharks.

Close your eyes and listen to it and you will think you are in Sharks.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9a4geJGsjU[/URL][/QUOTE]This is for French, bon appetite. Girls saying gut appetite.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2521574]Walking through the fruit and veg section with a hard-on...[/QUOTE]Hahaha. "Excuse me sir, your zucchini is showing."

[QUOTE=RockyV;2521533]Not quite, you miss the 'zimmer baby' or 'I tell you what I make in the room' noises! LOL.[/QUOTE]I swear if any girl here says to me ¨Where you go?¨ I'll discharge.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2521865]I swear if any girl here says to me Where you go? I'll discharge.[/QUOTE]Of course. Almost forgot the 'Where you go?' or the slightly more endearing version 'Where you go, baby?' LOL.

Any guesses on when Sharks and other places might open again?

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2531796]Any guesses on when Sharks and other places might open again?[/QUOTE]Here we go again. Look no one knows for now, it's still a waiting game.

At least Germany has decided some targets to open up when the number of cases drop, it looks as if when cases drop to 35 per 100,000 then they will start to open schools, then if the cases don't rise after two weeks then the distancing rules will be relaxed. After another two weeks if the cases are still below that number then restaurants and hotels, group sports will be allowed. That's all that has been said so far. Look at Easter as the earliest possible date but don't count on it and certainly don't book a trip.

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2531796]Any guesses on when Sharks and other places might open again?[/QUOTE]Of course, just now Merkel hold a conf. And she was explaining that the opening of the FKK and especially Shark were her first priorities therefore opening will take place next Monday take it easy. There is life without FKK and P6, sex is still available everywhere you just need to seduce a person.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2531988]Here we go again. Look no one knows for now, it's still a waiting game.

At least Germany has decided some targets to open up when the number of cases drop, it looks as if when cases drop to 35 per 100,000 then they will start to open schools, then if the cases don't rise after two weeks then the distancing rules will be relaxed. After another two weeks if the cases are still below that number then restaurants and hotels, group sports will be allowed. That's all that has been said so far. Look at Easter as the earliest possible date but don't count on it and certainly don't book a trip.[/QUOTE]When Germany is thinking to close borders with cousin Austria and Czech Republic, to protect better.

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2531796]Any guesses on when Sharks and other places might open again?[/QUOTE]You seem to have plucked a nerve with other members by asking about Sharks reopening. We can only wait and follow the news about re-opening public places at the moment. The situation in Germany is improving and vaccinations are taking off well. There is the highest number of people fully vaccinated (I. E. Two full doses) and they may introduce vaccination passports to enter public places. On the Sharks front, some people have reported some renovation works going on-site, but I don't have any other information on that. Let's hope they will re-open by Summer and, in the meantime, save money, keep fit and prepare for the grand re-opening!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2532385]You seem to have plucked a nerve with other members by asking about Sharks reopening. We can only wait and follow the news about re-opening public places at the moment. The situation in Germany is improving and vaccinations are taking off well. There is the highest number of people fully vaccinated (I. E. Two full doses) and they may introduce vaccination passports to enter public places. On the Sharks front, some people have reported some renovation works going on-site, but I don't have any other information on that. Let's hope they will re-open by Summer and, in the meantime, save money, keep fit and prepare for the grand re-opening![/QUOTE]Obviously an opening date for Sharks or any FKK is purely down to speculation at this early stage.

However anyone who lives in Germany who can give relative updates on the Corona / lockdown situation over there are always appreciated as any first steps towards normality can only bring the reopening of these venues a step closer.

Living in the UK the return of regular flights without quarantine to Germany or indeed to anywhere is a few months away and only then could I turn my attention to returning to watching dozens of naked women vying for my body. Or more specifically my wallet!

Ok- I am german resident. No 15 km-radius restrictions for most of us. While some things are opening (e. G. Schools) - this opening is likely only temporary. Consensus is that there is a 3rd wave of the british mutant piling up. Numbers just start to increase yet again and since our politician are very slow, it will be likely severe. Vaccination effort is immensely slow, BTW in relative percentage points we are lagging behind UK, US etc tremendously.

If I had to guess, there won't be an re-opening of amusement parks, nightclubs and FKK land before May 1. Maybe June 1 if we are lucky. My bets is currently on Aug 1.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532826]Not going to get first hand info about the situation in Germany right now on this forum. Not many German residents posting here right now. I only know one currently active poster who lives there. Perhaps that poster can shed some light. It sounds like the biggest restraint is the 15 km leash that people have.

A female friend in Bavaria says that border restrictions with Czech and Western Austria are due to rising case numbers in Eastern Europe and some fears of the be. 1. 1. 7 variant that is prevalent in that region. As of now, current restrictions were extended until 7. March. Their safe threshold is 35 cases per 100,000 people per week. Their current weekly incidence rate is around 65 cases per 100 K per week. Basically that's about 7000 total cases per day when they need to get to about 4000 total cases per day. Hopefully the trend of decreasing cases continues and they start easing restrictions.

My personal opinion is that the best case scenario is some clubs opening in May but that's likely too optimistic. But with vaccines distribution surely to improve, it's hard to see a situation where German society isn't mostly open by the end of the summer. Opening venues such as sex clubs obviously has the highest threshold so it is difficult to predict.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2532893]Ok- I am german resident. No 15 km-radius restrictions for most of us. While some things are opening (e. G. Schools) - this opening is likely only temporary. Consensus is that there is a 3rd wave of the british mutant piling up. Numbers just start to increase yet again and since our politician are very slow, it will be likely severe. Vaccination effort is immensely slow, BTW in relative percentage points we are lagging behind UK, US etc tremendously.

If I had to guess, there won't be an re-opening of amusement parks, nightclubs and FKK land before May 1. Maybe June 1 if we are lucky. My bets is currently on Aug 1.[/QUOTE]Clubs opened on September when Germany managed much better on 2020 than under second wave, and if Bavarian is elected after Angela, not sure will help brothels, when closing border with Austria.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2533027]Here's a reminder for Mursenary, our Big Pharma and Deep State sponsored mercenary troll, LOL![/QUOTE]I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2533142]Clubs opened on September when Germany managed much better on 2020 than under second wave, and if Bavarian is elected after Angela, not sure will help brothels, when closing border with Austria.[/QUOTE]Big Hessen never reopened since mid March. Only escorts. NRW reopened for less than 3 months. Even everything for money Switzerland which helped to spread UK mutant with ski on Christmas / new year is almost closed for big brothels. Only few opened until 7 pm and not on Sunday.

As an Israeli resident, we get vaccinated and speak to their hearts to those people who refuse to vaccine.

Recommend to take active and get vaccine and bring with you group people to get it also.

And persuade to explain the importance of the vaccine, this active will make fast to bring back business to operate normally.

[QUOTE=Canary;2519860]For those who are interested I was told earlier during the pandemic by a German friend there was some refurbishment work going on at Sharks.

He mentioned new carpets, I think he said downstairs in the bar area. However I can definitely remember he said they were doing work upstairs in the cave room area, creating new rooms. Don't know how unless they were demolishing the whole fake caves?

Also he said they doing work to the rooms in the old cinema which suddenly made me think that despite numerous visits to Sharks I had never used those rooms. All the ladies I've been with always thought they were "below standard" for them to work in??

I've not spoken to my friend for a while as there's not much hope in the near future I will be making the trip so I'm unsure if the work has been completed or is ongoing.

A possible indication that the Sharks owners (at least at the time of construction) intend to reopen whenever they receive the green light.

Just passing on the info to those interested.[/QUOTE]They might as well just do something completely new with that old cinema room. The cinema as it was in Sharks was always too dark though. So sex there never happened. As far as I saw at least. And the room cubicles are the worst excuse for rooms ever. I'd love for them to make it into some comfy relax area where you could also have sex. Perhaps with some big 85" TV for sports instead of a porn cinema. Because let's face it, once the girl is by your lap, you focus on her, and not on the movie anyway. And while girls are not always big fans of sports on TV because it causes men to make excuses on waiting, I believe part of that is just due to the location of where the sport is being shown. But say we get to the half time while of a football match, it would be perfect timing to get a quickie done there and then.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2537388]They might as well just do something completely new with that old cinema room. The cinema as it was in Sharks was always too dark though. So sex there never happened. As far as I saw at least. And the room cubicles are the worst excuse for rooms ever. I'd love for them to make it into some comfy relax area where you could also have sex. Perhaps with some big 85" TV for sports instead of a porn cinema. Because let's face it, once the girl is by your lap, you focus on her, and not on the movie anyway. And while girls are not always big fans of sports on TV because it causes men to make excuses on waiting, I believe part of that is just due to the location of where the sport is being shown. But say we get to the half time while of a football match, it would be perfect timing to get a quickie done there and then.[/QUOTE]On end of 2016, Sharks had sometimes more than 200 girls and except Megan, became difficult for me to find a attractive one, but they needed more rooms for numerous girls business, made new rooms close to SM and in ex kino. I liked elephant room, joking with a girl about my twin friend. Many screens in lounge and veranda to watch sport. When I arrive in a room with porn on screen, I ask girl to switch off, most seem surprised, when I prefer to play love sex. Fortunately, they never play ski, because I would say to the girl: wait, I watch ski. You prefer ski, as told Megan on beginning of 2017.

My last visit to Sharks was exactly one year ago the day before they closed. There were few girls and fewer gents. I did two girls and wanted to do Ester but she was too busy even though there were so few patrons. It was my weirdest day at an FKK. The atmosphere was eerie. If you told me then that a year later they would still be closed and the opening date unknown I would not have believed you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2540995]My last visit to Sharks was exactly one year ago the day before they closed. There were few girls and fewer gents. I did two girls and wanted to do Ester but she was too busy even though there were so few patrons. It was my weirdest day at an FKK. The atmosphere was eerie. If you told me then that a year later they would still be closed and the opening date unknown I would not have believed you.[/QUOTE]That's strange as my last Sharks visit was four days before yours and it was quite full.

I nearly cancelled the trip (glad I didn't!) as I was concerned about the then fledgling reports on Covid but luckily I still went and had a great time as usual until 4 am.

I can remember the girls I spoke to didn't feel too concerned about Covid (well that's what they told me) and nothing was off limits in the room.

As to who I saw I can't clearly remember, it seems like a bloody long time ago but I can remember there was no hot food available.

I'm praying that the situation drastically improves in Germany so that I can return during the latter part of the summer & enjoy the sun rays in their garden.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2540995]My last visit to Sharks was exactly one year ago the day before they closed. There were few girls and fewer gents. I did two girls and wanted to do Ester but she was too busy even though there were so few patrons. It was my weirdest day at an FKK. The atmosphere was eerie. If you told me then that a year later they would still be closed and the opening date unknown I would not have believed you.[/QUOTE]You were on Sunday or Monday 16 March? I was at Oase then Sharks on Friday 13 and Saturday 14 , not so few girls but business seemed quite slow at Sharks and slow on afternoon at Oase. I remember they took our temperature at Sharks, with less than 36 degrees on Saturday evening, I joked telling desk: I m nearly dead. Discovered on Saturday evening a just arrived from Switzerland German who was enjoyable for her first room at Sharks. When I returned to Paris, I felt with cramps and sweating on a night, on Tuesday it was lockdown in France, so I was the only one to go to work to put safety.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541133]You were on Sunday or Monday 16 March? I was at Oase then Sharks on Friday 13 and Saturday 14 , not so few girls but business seemed quite slow at Sharks and slow on afternoon at Oase. I remember they took our temperature at Sharks, with less than 36 degrees on Saturday evening, I joked telling desk: I m nearly dead. Discovered on Saturday evening a just arrived from Switzerland German who was enjoyable for her first room at Sharks. When I returned to Paris, I felt with cramps and sweating on a night, on Tuesday it was lockdown in France, so I was the only one to go to work to put safety.[/QUOTE]I was in Sharks on Monday 16 March, 2020. I did Leandra who is half Pakistani, half German, a very fun girl who likes to party. Afterwards I did Patricia from Moldovia, both for EUR 50 for 1/2 hour. When I returned to my hotel I began to seek a one way ticket home. I got numerous cancellations on Tuesday and finally got a flight leaving Wednesday on the craziest journey home I've ever had.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2541368]I was in Sharks on Monday 16 March, 2020. I did Leandra who is half Pakistani, half German, a very fun girl who likes to party. Afterwards I did Patricia from Moldovia, both for EUR 50 for 1/2 hour. When I returned to my hotel I began to seek a one way ticket home. I got numerous cancellations on Tuesday and finally got a flight leaving Wednesday on the craziest journey home I've ever had.[/QUOTE]Sweet with little voice, long time, blond Patricia who put silicon?

[QUOTE=Canary;2541003]I'm praying that the situation drastically improves in Germany so that I can return during the latter part of the summer & enjoy the sun rays in their garden.[/QUOTE]Don't count on it, and don't believe all the misinformation, scaremongering, and vaccine propaganda that Nursenary-Paul in Zurich-BigBuddy69 (and all his other usernames) tells you.

Germany remains locked down and more and more people become suspicious of the "vaccine. "

The US and UK usually have very little regard for their own health (just look at the enormous obesity levels and the opioid crisis) and after decades of poor education they believe every get-rich-quick and get-healthy-quick advertisement on TV. In short: Americans and Brits are lazy and believe in the quick solution in the form of a pill or vaccine. The European population tends to be much more cautious and aware that quick-and-easy solutions are just a sales tactic.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541732] In short: Americans and Brits are lazy and believe in the quick solution in the form of a pill or vaccine. The European population tends to be much more cautious and aware that quick-and-easy solutions are just a sales tactic.[/QUOTE]Technically (and geographically) speaking, Brits are Europeans.

You couldn't find the info in 'conspiracy 101' ? Or maybe there is a new definition of Europe among paranoid weirdos.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541732]Don't count on it, and don't believe all the misinformation, scaremongering, and vaccine propaganda that Nursenary-Paul in Zurich-BigBuddy69 (and all his other usernames) tells you.

Germany remains locked down and more and more people become suspicious of the "vaccine. "

The US and UK usually have very little regard for their own health (just look at the enormous obesity levels and the opioid crisis) and after decades of poor education they believe every get-rich-quick and get-healthy-quick advertisement on TV. In short: Americans and Brits are lazy and believe in the quick solution in the form of a pill or vaccine. The European population tends to be much more cautious and aware that quick-and-easy solutions are just a sales tactic.[/QUOTE]US and UK results to fight the pandemy are just terrible the worst in the world, they have lessons to give to nobody. Today life expectancy in the US is lower than in Algeria or morocco.

When, after 16 years of love, Angela politics is falling under virus with more than 72000 deaths, I really wonder who would dare to allow brothels reopening in Germany before elections. Not so sure Germans who like safety and rules, would be happy to have covid playfiels all over Germany with Germans bringing back home.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541874]When, after 16 years of love, Angela politics is falling under virus with more than 72000 deaths, I really wonder who would dare to allow brothels reopening in Germany before elections. Not so sure Germans who like safety and rules, would be happy to have covid playfiels all over Germany with Germans bringing back home.[/QUOTE]With covid passport, many elderly being vaccinated its possible to open EVERYTHING, so brothels might be open with some restrictions maybe.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2542115]With covid passport, many elderly being vaccinated its possible to open EVERYTHING, so brothels might be open with some restrictions maybe.[/QUOTE]Would be nice, but I don't think they will reopen until a good chunk of the population is vaccinated and assuming there is no new variant against which the vaccines are ineffective.

The more the virus circulates around, the more variants will pop up. That is why it's important that people get vaccinated even the ones for which the virus is not a direct high risk.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2541839]US and UK results to fight the pandemy are just terrible the worst in the world, they have lessons to give to nobody. Today life expectancy in the US is lower than in Algeria or morocco.[/QUOTE]They have done poorly so far, but they lead in vaccination rates.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2542115]With covid passport, many elderly being vaccinated its possible to open EVERYTHING, so brothels might be open with some restrictions maybe.[/QUOTE]At the moment, when lack of vaccine, no passport for EU, Germany and France don t agree. And I don t think reopening risky brothels is the best to be elected after Angela who is falling under too many deaths despite strict lockdown since 3 months. UK being still forbidden in Germany which don t seem to welcome their mutant.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2541839]US and UK results to fight the pandemy are just terrible the worst in the world, they have lessons to give to nobody. Today life expectancy in the US is lower than in Algeria or morocco.[/QUOTE]Indeed, that's because they lead incredibly unhealthy lives, full of sugary junkfood, huge amounts of carbohydrates, GMO food, and chemicals sold as 'medicine. ' They are so stupid that they think they can lose weight by ordering 'diet' drinks with their hamburgers or fish and chips, or that they can get into shape 'with-just-5-minutes-per-day' by using some garbage plastic fitness tool. LOL!

Just look at that documentary "Supersize Me" what the US / UK food culture does to your body: [URL]https://youtu.be/wSZWxjeua3g[/URL].

Needless to say, but the US is dominated by big lobby groups who push their garbage down people's throats, and now they want to do the same with vaccines: pump your bodies full of poorly researched chemical shit in order to 'fight Covid.'

Complications? Side-effects? Oh, no problem! The Big Pharma lobbyists made sure that the vaccine manufacturers are not liable for any side-effects! That's how 'confident' they are of their Frankenstein Products!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542148]UK being still forbidden in Germany which don t seem to welcome their mutant.[/QUOTE]It's irrelevant as UK Citizens are not allowed to leave the country anyway, whether to Germany or anywhere in the world.

Besides now that things are vastly improving in the UK they don't want to import more virus too.

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[QUOTE=Canary;2542168]It's irrelevant as UK Citizens are not allowed to leave the country anyway, whether to Germany or anywhere in the world.

Besides now that things are vastly improving in the UK they don't want to import more virus too.[/QUOTE]Many Brits still travel in continental Europe at the moment, for business or else. France can't close tunnel which works in 2 ways, but Germany, Spain and now Italy don't welcome because of mutant, but I wish UK now to control better their mutant they spread too much and killing more than original. EU now situation is mostly due to UK mutant, even Portugal is now getting better, but not Italy nor France, when Germany and Spain chose to protect.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2541839]US and UK results to fight the pandemy are just terrible the worst in the world, they have lessons to give to nobody. Today life expectancy in the US is lower than in Algeria or morocco.[/QUOTE]I know it's the cool and hip thing to hate on America but it seems that the latter is another false statement.

US / Alg / Mor.

78.9/76.9/76.7.

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy?yScale=log&time=2019..latest&country=DZA~USA~MAR[/URL]

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2541839]US and UK results to fight the pandemy are just terrible the worst in the world, they have lessons to give to nobody. Today life expectancy in the US is lower than in Algeria or morocco.[/QUOTE]Also, while US execution of public policy leaves much to be desired, our lessons are how to save the lives of the people who actually contract the disease. Despite criticisms of our unhealthy, obese population and poor care of the underserved; when shit hits the fan, we still maintained a much lower fatality rate per COVID case. 1.82 death rate in the USA compare to the EU's 2.36.

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_deaths_per_million&Metric=Case+fatality+rate&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~GBR~FRA~European+Union~SWE~DEU~OWID_WRL[/URL]

And just to reiterate. USA life expectancy compared to Algeria and Morocco:

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy?yScale=log&time=2019..latest&country=DZA~USA~MAR[/URL]

Could you guys please move the Covid discussions where it's appropriate?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus[/URL]!

Now let's get back to talking about Sharks reopening, its facilities, Darmstadt, its girls and those MILFs working there I'm missing so much!

Hi,

If you know how to contact the club (couldn't find) feel free to share them my little message for them.

It's been one year the club is close and almost the same time from my last visit in this place, and this place mean so much for me, this is my paradise on earth, and having the Sharks close for so long make me in a sad mood and I feel life is not so beautiful now.

I just want to send my best positive energy to all the people making living this place, all the wonderful women who come work here, the Staff & Directions and of course all the members who come visit to have a wonderful time. FKK Sharks I am one of your biggest fan and I just count the day until I can come again visit you, with love, Jason from France.

[QUOTE=Jasonsho;2543461]Hi,

If you know how to contact the club (couldn't find) feel free to share them my little message for them.

It's been one year the club is close and almost the same time from my last visit in this place, and this place mean so much for me, this is my paradise on earth, and having the Sharks close for so long make me in a sad mood and I feel life is not so beautiful now.

I just want to send my best positive energy to all the people making living this place, all the wonderful women who come work here, the Staff & Directions and of course all the members who come visit to have a wonderful time. FKK Sharks I am one of your biggest fan and I just count the day until I can come again visit you, with love, Jason from France.[/QUOTE]Jason,

I share your feelings and frustrations but we should have a bit more patience. From what I can read, it will reopen and they have used this time to renovate the club. It has been a long and stressful year for everyone, but we are still standing and the vaccinations will bring us back to normality soon! If European countries manage to vaccinate most of the over 50 by mid July, I believe they will reopen everything. In the meantime, keep healthy, save money and prepare for the big return in our favorite bathrobes!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543507]Jason,

I share your feelings and frustrations but we should have a bit more patience. From what I can read, it will reopen and they have used this time to renovate the club. It has been a long and stressful year for everyone, but we are still standing and the vaccinations will bring us back to normality soon! If European countries manage to vaccinate most of the over 50 by mid July, I believe they will reopen everything. In the meantime, keep healthy, save money and prepare for the big return in our favorite bathrobes![/QUOTE]Just one small problem is that in Europe more and more people under 50 are getting seriously sick even children, Merkel was not very positive yesterday saying the worst is coming.

Well, Jessica is available even if Sharks isn't...

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/darmstadt-jessica-10103803[/URL]

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543507]Jason,

I share your feelings and frustrations but we should have a bit more patience. From what I can read, it will reopen and they have used this time to renovate the club.[/QUOTE]I was just wondering if you or anyone has further information on what exactly the renovation work has involved?

Several months ago I posted on here that a friend told me he understood that there has been / going to be new carpets downstairs in the bar area and creating more rooms by altering the cave rooms upstairs. Whether this meant demolishing them I don't know.

Also he said they doing work to the rooms in the old cinema which suddenly made me think that despite numerous visits to Sharks I had never used those rooms as the ladies I've taken always thought they were "below standard" for them to work in.

Unfortunately I've lost touch with my friend to confirm the info so maybe other posters have better sources than myself?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543507]Jason,

I share your feelings and frustrations but we should have a bit more patience. From what I can read, it will reopen and they have used this time to renovate the club. It has been a long and stressful year for everyone, but we are still standing and the vaccinations will bring us back to normality soon! If European countries manage to vaccinate most of the over 50 by mid July, I believe they will reopen everything. In the meantime, keep healthy, save money and prepare for the big return in our favorite bathrobes![/QUOTE]When Hessen didn't open on September, when NRW did, do you really think they will reopen before elections after Summer? When now lengthening strict lockdown until 18 April, when Germany is now under UK mutant. I m not sure it would be so good to be elected. I afraid not much German brothels on this year. More probably in Switzerland or Austria.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2543572]Well, Jessica is available even if Sharks isn't...

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/darmstadt-jessica-10103803[/URL][/QUOTE]Of course do you really believe those girls can do something else than open their legs and mouth? Take it easy.

[QUOTE=Canary;2543587]I was just wondering if you or anyone has further information on what exactly the renovation work has involved?

Several months ago I posted on here that a friend told me he understood that there has been / going to be new carpets downstairs in the bar area and creating more rooms by altering the cave rooms upstairs. Whether this meant demolishing them I don't know.

Also he said they doing work to the rooms in the old cinema which suddenly made me think that despite numerous visits to Sharks I had never used those rooms as the ladies I've taken always thought they were "below standard" for them to work in.

Unfortunately I've lost touch with my friend to confirm the info so maybe other posters have better sources than myself?[/QUOTE]No I don't have further news, but someone who's been in Darmstadt lately for work told me he saw some building material outside Sharks. I know Sharks managers were thinking of acquiring the car dealer next door, which is no longer there BTW, to make it into a sort of Sharks hotel for guests, but I don't know if that is what the works are for.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2543608]When Hessen didn't open on September, when NRW did, do you really think they will reopen before elections after Summer? When now lengthening strict lockdown until 18 April, when Germany is now under UK mutant. I m not sure it would be so good to be elected. I afraid not much German brothels on this year. More probably in Switzerland or Austria.[/QUOTE]I don't think the opening is necessarily linked to elections as the main focus is the economy. If you don't open up by end of summer or something like that, things can get very ugly in terms of jobs losses and economic crisis.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543611]Of course do you really believe those girls can do something else than open their legs and mouth? Take it easy.[/QUOTE]Never generalize nor degrade the dignity of anyone. They are still human beings with their own stories and dramas.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543611]Of course do you really believe those girls can do something else than open their legs and mouth? Take it easy.[/QUOTE]Why are you on this forum again? If the girls disgust you so much maybe this is the wrong place for you. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=McGrath;2543889]Why are you on this forum again? If the girls disgust you so much maybe this is the wrong place for you. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]Well to practice his English! Remember? LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543611]Of course do you really believe those girls can do something else than open their legs and mouth? Take it easy.[/QUOTE]It's very sad when you read comments like this, I really pity him.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543821]I don't think the opening is necessarily linked to elections as the main focus is the economy. If you don't open up by end of summer or something like that, things can get very ugly in terms of jobs losses and economic crisis.[/QUOTE]Germany just decided to extend strict lockdown until at least 18 April and maybe later, because of UK mutant which spread everywhere around Germany. Beloved Angela fell on recent elections in Saarland and Rhein Palatine, because of covid and lack of vaccine, even thinking about sputnik V. Bavarian who seems to be one of the favorite for after Angela, wanted to close border with Tirol under UK mutant. When so many deaths and strict lockdown since Christmas, do you really think one will take risk to open brothels, thinking it could be good to be elected? Do you think Germans will think this is safe to open brothels attracting foreigners from all over the world? When Germany was big brothel of Western Europe. Which employment? When most of clubs staff are foreigners and most WGs are Romanian or Bulgarian, brothels not even paying real tax and same for girls of course. I may mistake, but when UK mutant is killing so many, lack of vaccine in EU, and to get safe behavior to be elected when Germans like safety, I really doubt for reopening before elections and even just after, I think more when heat will return on 2022, heat being best vaccine versus this killer virus, but I don't know for mutants when I see in Brazil.

[QUOTE=McGrath;2543889]Why are you on this forum again? If the girls disgust you so much maybe this is the wrong place for you. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]Daily telling not worth visiting, but daily here to speak about brothels.

[QUOTE=Canary;2543913]It's very sad when you read comments like this, I really pity him.[/QUOTE]I agree with you.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543832]Never generalize nor degrade the dignity of anyone. They are still human beings with their own stories and dramas.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=McGrath;2543889]Why are you on this forum again? If the girls disgust you so much maybe this is the wrong place for you. Just a thought.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheCane;2543893]Well to practice his English! Remember? LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Canary;2543913]It's very sad when you read comments like this, I really pity him.[/QUOTE]Glad to see so many who can see the girls outside of the prostitute monolith and all of the stereotypes attached to it. It's a job that takes as much skill as many other customer service jobs. The fact that so many come from disadvantaged societies might make one withhold a bit of criticism, but apparently he does not see looking down on people with less means as a personal character flaw. I see that trait in my peers, but seeing someone who has lived so many more years retain this attitude is disappointing. Most people who live into their golden years attain a much kinder view on humanity.

That being said, be careful as some of these ho's will take you for everything you're worth!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543821]I don't think the opening is necessarily linked to elections as the main focus is the economy. If you don't open up by end of summer or something like that, things can get very ugly in terms of jobs losses and economic crisis.[/QUOTE]I think that once the 50+ population is vaccinated and if the numbers go in the right direction things will open up. What better bump for a government to open a few weeks before the election.

This scenario is playing out in Israel. Netanyahu can say "forget about all the corruption stuff, look at the covid situation in Israel compared to other countries".

Denmark also said they will open 'everything' once 50+ have been vaccinated. Obviously with vaccine passports etc but the need to open is there.

I'm afraid Germany will be last because there's a streak of hysteria in their population at times. Look at what happened after Fukushima for example. Merkel is also not much of a leader and is slow at making decisions. Their current debacle with lockdown over Easter is because they can't make up their mind.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2544254]I think that once the 50+ population is vaccinated and if the numbers go in the right direction things will open up. What better bump for a government to open a few weeks before the election.

This scenario is playing out in Israel. Netanyahu can say "forget about all the corruption stuff, look at the covid situation in Israel compared to other countries".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ararat;2544308]Denmark also said they will open 'everything' once 50+ have been vaccinated. Obviously with vaccine passports etc but the need to open is there.

I'm afraid Germany will be last because there's a streak of hysteria in their population at times. Look at what happened after Fukushima for example. Merkel is also not much of a leader and is slow at making decisions. Their current debacle with lockdown over Easter is because they can't make up their mind.[/QUOTE]German politics will shout: vote for me, I reopened very safe brothels, for husbands to bring back killer gift at home. For sure, Germans should be appreciate and trust such good idea.

Turning the conversation back to Sharks, Melissa. Ro has been escorting in Darmstadt for a while now and I've just seen the video she posted on her ladies profile:

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/darmstadt-melissa-red-10106749[/URL]

She makes the money gesture when her hand reaches her pussy. I miss her!

[QUOTE=Ararat;2544308]Denmark also said they will open 'everything' once 50+ have been vaccinated. Obviously with vaccine passports etc but the need to open is there.

I'm afraid Germany will be last because there's a streak of hysteria in their population at times. Look at what happened after Fukushima for example. Merkel is also not much of a leader and is slow at making decisions. Their current debacle with lockdown over Easter is because they can't make up their mind.[/QUOTE]Very possible that Germany will open later than others. To clarify, I don't say that FKKs will be open before the elections, FKKs will be in the very last category of businesses to open.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2544315]Turning the conversation back to Sharks, Melissa. Ro has been escorting in Darmstadt for a while now and I've just seen the video she posted on her ladies profile:

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/darmstadt-melissa-red-10106749[/URL]

She makes the money gesture when her hand reaches her pussy. I miss her![/QUOTE]If she is red hair Melissa sitting close to SM room, if she made this gesture, I would have never gone with her, she would have killed my desire, too prostitute for me. Fortunately for me, she was charming on our introduction and even higher level than average to chat, but no wow in bed worthing 150/60, so no repeat for me, even one of the prettiest at Sharks with model body and friendly. But too professional even she tries to please You, but if I could touch the woman with words but not for sex, what I look for and interest me to worth repeating. I also need prettier face. My subjective taste of course.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2544315]Turning the conversation back to Sharks, Melissa. Ro has been escorting in Darmstadt for a while now and I've just seen the video she posted on her ladies profile:

[URL]https://www.ladies.de/sex-anzeigen/huren-hostessen/darmstadt-melissa-red-10106749[/URL]

She makes the money gesture when her hand reaches her pussy. I miss her![/QUOTE]The girl who all the guys ran after making her fancy herself. I wonder how her service is as an escort.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543820]No I don't have further news, but someone who's been in Darmstadt lately for work told me he saw some building material outside Sharks. I know Sharks managers were thinking of acquiring the car dealer next door, which is no longer there BTW, to make it into a sort of Sharks hotel for guests, but I don't know if that is what the works are for.[/QUOTE]I never stayed at the Contel which is the closest to Sharks as the reviews were not good. If Sharks management is indeed constructing a hotel next door I could consider staying there if it is good and affordable.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544549]The girl who all the guys ran after making her fancy herself. I wonder how her service is as an escort.[/QUOTE]Yes, indeed. She's always been very sweet and fun in the room. If I was a local, I would call her for an escort session.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544549]The girl who all the guys ran after making her fancy herself. I wonder how her service is as an escort.[/QUOTE]I sometimes saw red hair Melissa not so busy, friendly behavior, more interesting than average to chat with. I liked our introduction. Even not natural enough for face and hair, even no wow in bed for me, but I would be happy to see many Melissa in clubs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544551]I never stayed at the Contel which is the closest to Sharks as the reviews were not good. If Sharks management is indeed constructing a hotel next door I could consider staying there if it is good and affordable.[/QUOTE]A small piece of advise, don't ever book at The Content Hotel, it's truly awful. I stayed once but never again.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544551]I never stayed at the Contel which is the closest to Sharks as the reviews were not good. If Sharks management is indeed constructing a hotel next door I could consider staying there if it is good and affordable.[/QUOTE]If they do build a hotel next to Sharks and it's safe & clean I will certainly stay if it's not overpriced.

So that's two possible customers already!

[QUOTE=Canary;2544591]If they do build a hotel next to Sharks and it's safe & clean I will certainly stay if it's not overpriced.

So that's two possible customers already![/QUOTE]Breakfast will be served after you have taken a sit and a girl on your lap!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2544315]Turning the conversation back to Sharks, Melissa. Ro has been escorting in Darmstadt for a while now and I've just seen the video she posted on her ladies profile:[/QUOTE]The German forums reported that on the afternoon of the 25th, the authorities visited one of the Darmstadt hotels where many ex-Sharks WGs were working. No idea which hotel or if Melissa worked there. Or if it was just a "slap in the wrist" offense. But it was reported that some WGs scattered, relocating to other cities in the vicinity or started their holiday early.

Hessen brothels are closed since 1 year, but prostitution is also forbidden?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2544989]Hessen brothels are closed since 1 year, but prostitution is also forbidden?[/QUOTE]States have their own rules but I see a lot of girls on sites. But I will wait for the third wave to end and all the FKK's to open before I return.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2544885]The German forums reported that on the afternoon of the 25th, the authorities visited one of the Darmstadt hotels where many ex-Sharks WGs were working. No idea which hotel or if Melissa worked there. Or if it was just a "slap in the wrist" offense. But it was reported that some WGs scattered, relocating to other cities in the vicinity or started their holiday early.[/QUOTE]Melissa was not available for a few days and then she reappeared on the ladies website. Ruby. Ro (petite girl with glasses) was also incall / escorting in Darmstadt, but she has disappeared from the site, maybe she went back home or she got busted by the police. Not an easy time for the girls but, hopefully, we will soon be able to support them again!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2544674]Breakfast will be served after you have taken a sit and a girl on your lap![/QUOTE]That wouldn't be a problem for me LOL!

If they had the finance to construct a small hotel on site I think it would be a commercial success. But whilst in a pandemic with no current cashflow it may be a pipe dream.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2545233]States have their own rules but I see a lot of girls on sites. But I will wait for the third wave to end and all the FKK's to open before I return.[/QUOTE]Even I look forward testing new engine to improve it and send GPS speed I take on photos, to Audi, but I don t plan to go for escorts in Germany when I saw many looks claiming they were escorting, but far below my past Russians in Paris, unfortunately no more wow now for me in Paris, only 3 times on this year. When I read about Polizei raid in Darmstadt hotel, I wondered if prostitution is allowed or forbidden in Hessen? I think allowed in NRW.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2545246]Melissa was not available for a few days and then she reappeared on the ladies website. Ruby. Ro (petite girl with glasses) was also incall / escorting in Darmstadt, but she has disappeared from the site, maybe she went back home or she got busted by the police. Not an easy time for the girls but, hopefully, we will soon be able to support them again![/QUOTE]Did Melissa suddenly become unavailable starting on the 25th?

I know for a lot of people, their return to the land of FKK is still off in the far known future, but I just bring up these news events, because I believe the aggregate of their positive (whale customers) and negative experiences (police busts) while working underground will factor into their decision whether they wish to return to FKKs for 50 EUR 30 min rate, whenever clubs reopen that is.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2545312]Did Melissa suddenly become unavailable starting on the 25th?

I know for a lot of people, their return to the land of FKK is still off in the far known future, but I just bring up these news events, because I believe the aggregate of their positive (whale customers) and negative experiences (police busts) while working underground will factor into their decision whether they wish to return to FKKs for 50 EUR 30 min rate, whenever clubs reopen that is.[/QUOTE]A lot of variables, and too many to make confident predictions, but I suspect that many of the top quality providers will be able to keep the incall business model. As you mentioned, business from their whales might be able to keep them profitable without the club stress. I can see the good providers building more intimate relationships with their clients this past year, extracting much more money per client than before. The poor providers will likely have to go back to relying on the quantity of customers at the clubs. They will rely on "walk-in" business.

One possible issue for the incall providers, how many whales are local Germans? I've noticed that most whales are foreigners visiting for either business or are dedicated hobbyist from abroad. From what we know about German clubbers, they are mostly frugal. Would the frugal locals be willing to sacrifice the variety found in the clubs for one or two favorite girls. Would whales travel to Germany just for an in call visit? Good in-call providers can be be found anywhere in Europe and for roughly the same price if not cheaper than what's found in Germany. If hobbying for incall, why would I choose cold and rainy Germany over warm Southern Spain or Italy with better food and scenery.

But also, will there still be enough fly in business travelers when we return to "normal"? We know of the Asian hunters and their business model, but will the Asian business mongers continue to come? Most Americans clubbers are there on business also. Will they resume their previous work schedules?

My overly optimistic-best case scenario is that perhaps the scene returns to where it was 10 years ago due to higher proportion of German clients with German price to service expectation. Less clubs and less girls, but with less foreign mongers. If that is the case, could we revert back to those average price to service levels?

With my very small knowledge about this business, I m pretty sure most of WGs will return to their home club rather than keeping on escorting, which is just to survive in Germany. I remember funny stories about Elen working at Sharks rather than Dubai, or Evita who never returned to escort in UK since her arrival at Sharks on January 2015. Clubs may also be more safe places to work, according to some German girls, also telling they made better business, even 50/30, than when escorting, and furthermore for those who moved to Switzerland, for 140/30 at Globe = more than 130€.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545430]A lot of variables, and too many to make confident predictions, but I suspect that many of the top quality providers will be able to keep the incall business model. As you mentioned, business from their whales might be able to keep them profitable without the club stress. I can see the good providers building more intimate relationships with their clients this past year, extracting much more money per client than before. The poor providers will likely have to go back to relying on the quantity of customers at the clubs. They will rely on "walk-in" business.

One possible issue for the incall providers, how many whales are local Germans? I've noticed that most whales are foreigners visiting for either business or are dedicated hobbyist from abroad. From what we know about German clubbers, they are mostly frugal. Would the frugal locals be willing to sacrifice the variety found in the clubs for one or two favorite girls. Would whales travel to Germany just for an in call visit? Good in-call providers can be be found anywhere in Europe and for roughly the same price if not cheaper than what's found in Germany. If hobbying for incall, why would I choose cold and rainy Germany over warm Southern Spain or Italy with better food and scenery.

But also, will there still be enough fly in business travelers when we return to "normal"? We know of the Asian hunters and their business model, but will the Asian business mongers continue to come? Most Americans clubbers are there on business also. Will they resume their previous work schedules?

My overly optimistic-best case scenario is that perhaps the scene returns to where it was 10 years ago due to higher proportion of German clients with German price to service expectation. Less clubs and less girls, but with less foreign mongers. If that is the case, could we revert back to those average price to service levels?[/QUOTE]I will love to see your last sentence come true! If FKKs go back to how they were 10 years ago, like it was in Atlantis and World back then. That would be like going to back to the golden ages of FKKs. Amen!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2545312]Did Melissa suddenly become unavailable starting on the 25th? [/QUOTE]I can't say for certain as I don't check that site daily but, yes, I would say around that time.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545430]One possible issue for the incall providers, how many whales are local Germans? I've noticed that most whales are foreigners visiting for either business or are dedicated hobbyist from abroad. From what we know about German clubbers, they are mostly frugal. Would the frugal locals be willing to sacrifice the variety found in the clubs for one or two favorite girls.[/QUOTE]German clubbers, yes we can observe their behavior, because they visit clubs. My contention is there a category of local mongers who have never set foot in the clubs before, an untapped market that Melissa had never been exposed to prior to working independent. A local monger who has their professional, social, family network within a thirty minute radius of Darmstadt, probably would prefer something more discreet and is willing to pay higher prices for the ability to monger incognito.

Now an unmarried, mid-50's local German with no kids living 100 km away, has the luxury of spending all day at the club, with very low risk of seeing someone he knows. That said, I have met three guys at Sharks who live in Darmstadt. The two younger ones do not visit as often or stopped. The older one is married but has grown children late 20's, early 30's. He mentioned to me that is wife does not know or ask when he disappears for hours. Perhaps at that age, the wife does not care anymore, and is happy someone else is performing her wifely duties. Or he is too old to care.

Wait and see like anything else.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2545498]I will love to see your last sentence come true! If FKKs go back to how they were 10 years ago, like it was in Atlantis and World back then. That would be like going to back to the golden ages of FKKs. Amen![/QUOTE]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545713]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.[/QUOTE]I'm really not interested to spend time out of clubs with girls who are ready to be fucked by everybody for money. While break, like 1 year ago, I see how normal women are so much more interesting, with higher level and much more charm. When clubs are only for easy, fast and with no consequences when your brain is leading you, but I know how it will be complicated again, like on last June, when will return, about lower level of charm. Image really count for my desire.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545713]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.[/QUOTE]What FKK lovers like me miss the most is the whole atmosphere of the clubs and the opportunity to watch and talk to naked girls in a relaxed atmosphere. Escorts have been available throughout this pandemic, but it is not the same experience.

From what I understand, the clubs will open on October 2022 scenario.

I have not seen a report that people are moving themselves to get vaccinated.

I saw infected 10,000 people +/- each day, Angela Merkle lost her steering wheel on Germany.

She has come to terms with the situation that she is ending her role and going, Whoever comes after her will take at least a year to heal the economy.

Sorry guys, I also love shark club.

Lets pray for better hope.

And how do you find them? You had there private numbers from before?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545713]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.[/QUOTE]

Of course. From before when he was going to clubs to return home with full balls because they are only overfucked prostitutes in those clubs.

And now since he lives in China, he has lots of appointments with women living in Central Europe. It really makes sense in those times where it is so easy to travel from a continent to another.

[QUOTE=TomRifle;2545962]And how do you find them? You had there private numbers from before?[/QUOTE]Always the same story, when you invest in your relations you get pay back and this is also true with prostitute. When you respect them and don t treat them like a piece of meat, they start to trust you and even after they retire from the job you can become friend. I kept very good contact with very few girls and even some of them invite me to visit her parents. The things are very clear, I will not marry them, they will not marry me but why not having fun together. Sorry but you don t have the phone number from your best friends or whatsapp?

[QUOTE=Admon;2545949]From what I understand, the clubs will open on October 2022 scenario.

I have not seen a report that people are moving themselves to get vaccinated.

I saw infected 10,000 people +/- each day, Angela Merkle lost her steering wheel on Germany.

She has come to terms with the situation that she is ending her role and going, Whoever comes after her will take at least a year to heal the economy.

Sorry guys, I also love shark club.

Lets pray for better hope.[/QUOTE]Sorry nobody is able to predict what will happen with this pandemy, may be the FKK could open in October, may be not. I am afraid that praying or not will not change the things. God doesn't exist, the religion is just a mean to control the people and to make them go in the direction you want.

[QUOTE=Admon;2545949]From what I understand, the clubs will open on October 2022 scenario.

I have not seen a report that people are moving themselves to get vaccinated.

I saw infected 10,000 people +/- each day, Angela Merkle lost her steering wheel on Germany.

She has come to terms with the situation that she is ending her role and going, Whoever comes after her will take at least a year to heal the economy.

Sorry guys, I also love shark club.

Lets pray for better hope.[/QUOTE]Not an expert on German politics but for those familiar, am I right to say that this post reflects a specific political partiality? From what I understand, the German scene is very strategic, with parties forming coalitions and breaking out of them while going back and forth between serving as opposition and accepting the majority / plurality party.

Is Merkel and her coalition of parties really doing all that bad with the covid response compared to other nations? From a cases and deaths standpoint. Germany still remains one of the best performing European nations. I'd imagine their economy can withstand the pandemic's impact better than most of Europe.

Apparently the CSU / CDU union still holds a plurality of the votes. Is there another coalition that can challenge Merkel?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2545922]What FKK lovers like me miss the most is the whole atmosphere of the clubs and the opportunity to watch and talk to naked girls in a relaxed atmosphere. Escorts have been available throughout this pandemic, but it is not the same experience.[/QUOTE]Yup, exactly that. The atmosphere of having a drink while deciding which girl to pick up for the day. Plus the steady supply of new girls. Even the best performers, after I was with them 2-3 times I want somebody new. I might return to them later, but I enjoy the change.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2545922]What FKK lovers like me miss the most is the whole atmosphere of the clubs and the opportunity to watch and talk to naked girls in a relaxed atmosphere. Escorts have been available throughout this pandemic, but it is not the same experience.[/QUOTE]Atmosphere? Usually hard job to succeed to find a desirable image. I remember being more exhausted than after my climbing, turning around for 15 hours, but no spark. I prefer when no guy make me lose my time, preferring to focus to try to find what I drive for.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545993]Sorry nobody is able to predict what will happen with this pandemy, may be the FKK could open in October, may be not. I am afraid that praying or not will not change the things. God doesn't exist, the religion is just a mean to control the people and to make them go in the direction you want.[/QUOTE]I agree that predictions have gone out of the window. No sooner do we think it is over than another wave comes. The secret is all about the vaccines. The fact that the UK has seen its numbers crumble to almost nothing is no coincidence. Until the EU sort out the utter shambles about getting its people properly vaccinated the FKKs will remain closed. That said, Spain and Gibraltar are now doing really well. Very odd.

We all miss the FKK experience very much and fur sure it makes us value it all the more. I have little doubt that as prostitution is legal in Germany and generates good revenues from taxes, the FKKs will indeed reopen. And what a party that will be for all. Whenever that may be.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546095]Atmosphere? Usually hard job to succeed to find a desirable image. I remember being more exhausted than after my climbing, turning around for 15 hours, but no spark. I prefer when no guy make me lose my time, preferring to focus to try to find what I drive for.[/QUOTE]Why do you go every weekend when the FKKs are open if you don't like them?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546133]Why do you go every weekend when the FKKs are open if you don't like them?[/QUOTE]Not for atmosphere when usually bad music for my ears and I m not a guy to sleep with nose in beer on the bar. No beer nor alcohol for me, fortunately for Switzerland where I would have my head cut. For sure not to meet guys even I had pleasure to meet a German at Sharks and I quite often meet a Swiss, in Germany or ZH. FKK are just easy, fast with no consequences, and when I succeed to find a desirable image, then I like to meet weekly, met some who were busy superstars for 5/6 years, in different clubs, met Megan in 3 different clubs, met my best FKK girl for 70/80 hours for only 7 months when she worked and when no more desirable image for me, I stopped even I knew she was my best pleasure. You don't like me anymore? As she said. I also used famous GT Bruggen to watch ski or Formula 1, or Globe to prepare on my way to my real sports, pastas are good for climbing or ski, Fritz saying: I prefer when you find a good girl for you. No problem, as said Miss Scarlet, tomorrow will be another day, no hurry when you can go more often than a local, even you live and work far, it would be more complicated about job at the moment, but I didn't even think to go to Zeus or Cleo, when no foods, then no sex. When I hate to waste my money for average, I drive to find wow and spark, and only 1 desirable image is even better for a bad faithful guy like me who is only interested by girls choosing me first, but they can go with others if they prefer. Fortunately for me, facts talk, because I would not be able to run again after discovery or to wait, which kill my desire. I don t know when will reopen, even pretty sure before Summer for Switzerland, ZH, when I think Germany could wait heat return on 2022, meaning around June, because not good point to be elected and cold will arrive after elections, then wish for a new desirable image when one would just be enough for me. Just easy playfield for me, even I sometimes left more exhausted or with more pain in back than when bumping for whole day or climbing Zoncolan, not finding any wow, when visiting 3 clubs in the day, or turning around for 15 hours when around 200 girls at Sharks. Too picky as say girls.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2546122]I agree that predictions have gone out of the window. No sooner do we think it is over than another wave comes. The secret is all about the vaccines. The fact that the UK has seen its numbers crumble to almost nothing is no coincidence. Until the EU sort out the utter shambles about getting its people properly vaccinated the FKKs will remain closed. That said, Spain and Gibraltar are now doing really well. Very odd.

We all miss the FKK experience very much and fur sure it makes us value it all the more. I have little doubt that as prostitution is legal in Germany and generates good revenues from taxes, the FKKs will indeed reopen. And what a party that will be for all. Whenever that may be.[/QUOTE]"The secret is all about vaccine" this is at least what the world leaders try to make us think, so life can come back to what it was before for the full benefits of the same leaders. So people will again buy electrical cars which in fact are more polluting than the others, Iphone which Apple produces for 150 USD and sell 1000+ USD, Louis Vuitton plastic bag for 1500 USD and so on and all of this with credit because the banks also need to take profit from us.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546095]Atmosphere? Usually hard job to succeed to find a desirable image. I remember being more exhausted than after my climbing, turning around for 15 hours, but no spark. I prefer when no guy make me lose my time, preferring to focus to try to find what I drive for.[/QUOTE]Siri,

If going to FKK clubs is so tiring for you, try to relax a bit more when you are there and maybe be less selective with girls. Some of them may not give you a brilliant first impression but they will surprise you in the room.

[QUOTE=Canary;2545255]That wouldn't be a problem for me LOL!

If they had the finance to construct a small hotel on site I think it would be a commercial success. But whilst in a pandemic with no current cashflow it may be a pipe dream.[/QUOTE]If they have the finances they should go ahead and construct a hotel. Now is the best time as customers will not be affected by noise and activity. They will certainly recoup their expenses when FKKs reopen.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2546277]Siri,

If going to FKK clubs is so tiring for you, try to relax a bit more when you are there and maybe be less selective with girls. Some of them may not give you a brilliant first impression but they will surprise you in the room.[/QUOTE]I don't care about technic, fucking, nothing except beauty, I only pay for beauty just because the best sex is never the sex you pay for. Fortunately even in my 60 I don't need to pay to fuck average looking girls.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546382]I don't care about technic, fucking, nothing except beauty, I only pay for beauty just because the best sex is never the sex you pay for. Fortunately even in my 60 I don't need to pay to fuck average looking girls.[/QUOTE]Let's start with the statement that you are 60 and you claim you don't need to pay for "girls", does that mean let's say under 30 ? Not very believable.

Then there's uhm, "nothing except beauty" and "fuck average girls". Kinda contradictory, isn't it?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546230]"The secret is all about vaccine" this is at least what the world leaders try to make us think, so life can come back to what it was before for the full benefits of the same leaders. So people will again buy electrical cars which in fact are more polluting than the others, Iphone which Apple produces for 150 USD and sell 1000+ USD, Louis Vuitton plastic bag for 1500 USD and so on and all of this with credit because the banks also need to take profit from us.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct on all points.

1. world leaders try to make us think, so life can come back.

2. electrical cars which in fact are more polluting than the others.

3. I phone which Apple produces for 150 USD and sell 1000+ USD.

4. Louis Vuitton plastic bag for 1500 USD and so on and all of this with credit.

5. because the banks also need to take profit from us.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2546277]Siri,

If going to FKK clubs is so tiring for you, try to relax a bit more when you are there and maybe be less selective with girls. Some of them may not give you a brilliant first impression but they will surprise you in the room.[/QUOTE]Some girls are lovely, but if I'm not attracted, I hate girls touch me, when many want to touch my hair or face, and I don't even say about those coming to rub on you, even when you stand up, or trying to touch your dick. Sometimes, at Sharks with 200 girls, or at Globe, couldn't find any attractive, but fortunately for me, I find few sometimes. Found few real beauties who were on escort level.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2546369]If they have the finances they should go ahead and construct a hotel. Now is the best time as customers will not be affected by noise and activity. They will certainly recoup their expenses when FKKs reopen.[/QUOTE]If the clubs were currently open, I suppose Sharks customers could be inconvenienced by the activity, but why would Sharks customers be bothered by noise of construction, when there is always loud music playing 16 hours a day and moaning sounds from adjacent rooms?

The only FKK with an on-site hotel that I am aware of is Wellcum in Austria. Wellcum is more like a secluded resort (probably 15 minutes drive from nearest hotel), whereas Sharks is in an industrial area with many competing hotels nearby within a 3 km radius. The food at Wellcum is also significantly better. If I were to book a 7-day package, where I would not be leaving the confines of the club, Wellcum would be the better choice from a "resort" perspective. I don't think I could survive on seven days of Sharks food without ordering delivery.

The hotel at Wellcum is adjoining, so you do not have to constantly change in and out of your street clothes. You simply stay in your robe, walk past reception and up the stairs to your hotel room any time you want to sleep or take a Zoom call (someone correct me if I am wrong on that). Can you take a WG to your private hotel room for a session at Wellcum? That would seem outside of the range of club security. But if that is possible, I would get a BBBJ for every Zoom call.

Deviating from the discussion of on-site hotels, if work from home becomes the norm post-CV19, will we start seeing many fly-in mongers doing month long visits to FKK land 3-to-6 times a year? That would ruin the pricing for the locals!

Hi McAdonis,

I wish I could have PMd you for this but I don't see the option to do it. Nice seeing your review about Wellcum. Is this club actually open? Is it worth it to take a weekend trip there with friends? (we are coming from Zurich). Any other club open you might recommend? I really wish Sharks was open:

Thanks for your help bro and stay safe.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2546471]If the clubs were currently open, I suppose Sharks customers could be inconvenienced by the activity, but why would Sharks customers be bothered by noise of construction, when there is always loud music playing 16 hours a day and moaning sounds from adjacent rooms?

The only FKK with an on-site hotel that I am aware of is Wellcum in Austria. Wellcum is more like a secluded resort (probably 15 minutes drive from nearest hotel), whereas Sharks is in an industrial area with many competing hotels nearby within a 3 km radius. The food at Wellcum is also significantly better. If I were to book a 7-day package, where I would not be leaving the confines of the club, Wellcum would be the better choice from a "resort" perspective. I don't think I could survive on seven days of Sharks food without ordering delivery.

The hotel at Wellcum is adjoining, so you do not have to constantly change in and out of your street clothes. You simply stay in your robe, walk past reception and up the stairs to your hotel room any time you want to sleep or take a Zoom call (someone correct me if I am wrong on that). Can you take a WG to your private hotel room for a session at Wellcum? That would seem outside of the range of club security. But if that is possible, I would get a BBBJ for every Zoom call.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=USboy2020;2546498]Hi McAdonis,

I wish I could have PMd you for this but I don't see the option to do it. Nice seeing your review about Wellcum. Is this club actually open? Is it worth it to take a weekend trip there with friends? (we are coming from Zurich). Any other club open you might recommend? I really wish Sharks was open:

Thanks for your help bro and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Wellcum was open on last Summer but closed now, but pretty sure should reopen under heat with wonderful Carinthian mountains around, like ZH should also, when really not sure for Germany. I was proposed by some girls for the night at Wellcum, but I preferred to go to sleep with my friend bicycle in my car. At the moment, Zeus. Sz and Cleo. Be are open in Switzerland.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546411]Let's start with the statement that you are 60 and you claim you don't need to pay for "girls", does that mean let's say under 30 ? Not very believable.

Then there's uhm, "nothing except beauty" and "fuck average girls". Kinda contradictory, isn't it?[/QUOTE]I think it was more or less clear, I only pay for natural, beauties which means for me around 20 YO, with my age 60 this is more or less impossible in normal life so I have to pay for having sex with this kind of girls. Fortunately, I can still have sex for free with woman in the 33+ but of course I will pay some restaurants, hotels but not for sex.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2546471]If the clubs were currently open, I suppose Sharks customers could be inconvenienced by the activity, but why would Sharks customers be bothered by noise of construction, when there is always loud music playing 16 hours a day and moaning sounds from adjacent rooms?

The only FKK with an on-site hotel that I am aware of is Wellcum in Austria. Wellcum is more like a secluded resort (probably 15 minutes drive from nearest hotel), whereas Sharks is in an industrial area with many competing hotels nearby within a 3 km radius. The food at Wellcum is also significantly better. If I were to book a 7-day package, where I would not be leaving the confines of the club, Wellcum would be the better choice from a "resort" perspective. I don't think I could survive on seven days of Sharks food without ordering delivery.

The hotel at Wellcum is adjoining, so you do not have to constantly change in and out of your street clothes. You simply stay in your robe, walk past reception and up the stairs to your hotel room any time you want to sleep or take a Zoom call (someone correct me if I am wrong on that). Can you take a WG to your private hotel room for a session at Wellcum? That would seem outside of the range of club security. But if that is possible, I would get a BBBJ for every Zoom call.

Deviating from the discussion of on-site hotels, if work from home becomes the norm post-CV19, will we start seeing many fly-in mongers doing month long visits to FKK land 3-to-6 times a year? That would ruin the pricing for the locals![/QUOTE]FKK World in Pohlheim-Garbenteich offers rooms for overnight stay, but I have never tried that myself. I have seen a couple of reports on World thread about mongers staying a few days in the club.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2546661]FKK World in Pohlheim-Garbenteich offers rooms for overnight stay, but I have never tried that myself. I have seen a couple of reports on World thread about mongers staying a few days in the club.[/QUOTE]It's completely different at Welcum. I've stayed at World and you basically get a room to sleep for 8 hours or less. It's just another sex room, albeit one of the nicer ones. You "check in" to your room towards the end of the night but have to be out when the club opens. I stayed there for the novelty of it but it's actually not a very good deal. 100 euro for a short time, during which you may not get very good sleep because the club has music playing until late and blasts the music when they open.

At Welcum, it's an actual hotel attached to the club but separated by a shared lobby and front desk. Like he said, you can literally go in and out of the club, back and forth to your room and even session with the girls in your own room. It's nice to be able to take a few hours away and come right back. Or even just be able to wake up, come downstairs for breakfast, and have girls ready to go.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2546369]If they have the finances they should go ahead and construct a hotel. Now is the best time as customers will not be affected by noise and activity. They will certainly recoup their expenses when FKKs reopen.[/QUOTE]I don't know for hotel, but Sharks, World, Mainhattan, Finca, should find finances for the washing machine.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546727]It's completely different at Welcum. I've stayed at World and you basically get a room to sleep for 8 hours or less. It's just another sex room, albeit one of the nicer ones. You "check in" to your room towards the end of the night but have to be out when the club opens. I stayed there for the novelty of it but it's actually not a very good deal. 100 euro for a short time, during which you may not get very good sleep because the club has music playing until late and blasts the music when they open.

At Welcum, it's an actual hotel attached to the club but separated by a shared lobby and front desk. Like he said, you can literally go in and out of the club, back and forth to your room and even session with the girls in your own room. It's nice to be able to take a few hours away and come right back. Or even just be able to wake up, come downstairs for breakfast, and have girls ready to go.[/QUOTE]I know one thing. From having read these recent posts. When life returns to normality. And it will. I'm headed to Wellcum. The idea of a hotel slightly attached you can go in and out of the club from appeals.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2545498]I will love to see your last sentence come true! If FKKs go back to how they were 10 years ago, like it was in Atlantis and World back then. That would be like going to back to the golden ages of FKKs. Amen![/QUOTE]If you think about it, that may not neccesarily be an entirely unrealistic scenario. Theres bound to have been a lot of shakeup among the girls, many going back to their origins. So new ones hopefully entering the scene, break-up of the Ro gangs of girls whos been lazy and bad providers. You never know.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546727]
At Welcum, it's an actual hotel attached to the club but separated by a shared lobby and front desk. Like he said, you can literally go in and out of the club, back and forth to your room and even session with the girls in your own room. It's nice to be able to take a few hours away and come right back. Or even just be able to wake up, come downstairs for breakfast, and have girls ready to go.[/QUOTE]Is wellcum an FKK similar to the main german ones, ie. Full nude girls?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546801]I don't know for hotel, but Sharks, World, Mainhattan, Finca, should find finances for the washing machine.[/QUOTE]And GT a bathroom for the Ro. LOL.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2546859]I know one thing. From having read these recent posts. When life returns to normality. And it will. I'm headed to Wellcum. The idea of a hotel slightly attached you can go in and out of the club from appeals.[/QUOTE]You go to your room from same desk you enter the club. You should find some girls proposing you for the night for 1000. For club, same like in Germany, but for 70/30 and entry 85. Pretty sure should open for Summer like on last Summer, when I really doubt for Germany. In Austria, but everything is written in Italian. Bad, no more foods at night after midnight.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2546866]And GT a bathroom for the Ro. LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't know if same finances for GT German boss, but yes, as I often wrote, when now closed since more than 1 year, when didn't reopen like LR, and don't know if will reopen same after a polizei control but not about WGs, but wish girls will get private shower for reopening, and I think more about Germans than Romanians who are usually higher level for hygiene, rather than cat washing in toilets behind desk and tasting toilets on foreplay. As told one here and I liked his: eau de toilets, for GT perfume. A LR then GT cooker moved to 6 ens NL like few GT girls. When I don t think so much for German brothels on 2021 which is worst than 2020 for Germany, but maybe NL could reopen under heat, and beautiful YY is really missing, would be great if allowed to reopen and I m sure many NRW WGs would move for freedom to work there, like some WGs like Sharks for same. YY is more attractive to work than 6 ens for WGs from Germany, and I don t mean only for Germans.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2546860]If you think about it, that may not neccesarily be an entirely unrealistic scenario. Theres bound to have been a lot of shakeup among the girls, many going back to their origins. So new ones hopefully entering the scene, break-up of the Ro gangs of girls whos been lazy and bad providers. You never know.[/QUOTE]The only but major difference is that girls nowadays are extremely lazy and assume that a minimum of 100 euros is required to cover the right to be with them in a room, to kick on actions, they want more and each bit of action cost you 50 euros. OK I barely exaggerate but old good times of FKK are gone when girls were happy to be fully yours for 75 euros / h all inclusive and more. Todays generation has grown up with too much attention, care and money so they can't be efficient prossies.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2545498]I will love to see your last sentence come true! If FKKs go back to how they were 10 years ago, like it was in Atlantis and World back then. That would be like going to back to the golden ages of FKKs. Amen![/QUOTE]I think Atlantis shut up shop in 2004 but I've always loved the irony of how we view it as this mythical lost club given it's name.

[QUOTE=USboy2020;2546498]Nice seeing your review about Wellcum. Is this club actually open?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately website reports that is has been closed since November 3rd. You can try reading the Austria threads for their predictions or which way the government is leaning towards re-opening. Massimo Potente posts a but I think just in Vienna thread.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2546859]I know one thing. From having read these recent posts. When life returns to normality. And it will. I'm headed to Wellcum. The idea of a hotel slightly attached you can go in and out of the club from appeals.[/QUOTE]From overhead view of property, you can see that that the club is easily 2-3 km from civilization. You leave civilisation at Karntnerstr and Stossau. It would be a nice, uphill 42 minute hike from Arnoldstein station: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/3hsj76PzwbTZwXA9A[/URL].

Not shown is that you are at the foot of mountains which can be backdrop for some photos. I imagine many Italian men, both married and "mammoni" (middle-aged bachelors living with mama) sell this off as a ski trip or a summer trip to the mountains. Wellcum, however, has as lot of moving advertisements and billboards, so maybe the Italian women do know what their men are up to when they cross the border: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/bvvezEuaoECGUn727[/URL].

Stair access to hotel room from FKK lobby: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/DG9ohuErwBVm2Hww5[/URL].

Hotel suite: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Fia5uXNBa59n5o6L8[/URL].

Buffet: [URL]https://thehotel.cc/hotel-und-club/[/URL].

You are paying a little bit more than you would in Darmstadt. WGs cost 70 EUR per 30 minutes. Entry is 85 EUR. Hotel starts at 62 EUR night. But during low season, it looks like they have sales promotions and packages: [URL]https://wellcum.at/clubhotel-only-85-euro-all-days-in-march/[/URL].

Given its remote location, I would say that most visitors are driving a few hours. Unless you greet them with English or German first, reception will just start speaking Italian to you (just to give you a general idea of the tourist to locals ratio). Eyeballing the clientele, many Italian mongers arrive in groups, so I suspect some of these Italian men are just casual mongers who monger 1-2 times a year. These Italian men may splurge more, because for them mongering is an "occasion" as opposed to something they do on a weekly basis. As such, their demands in the room might be lower. That is not to say that Wellcum has a lot of rip-off girls. To be fair, I have not had a high opinion of the average service level of Sharks WGs since 2016.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2546980]The only but major difference is that girls nowadays are extremely lazy and assume that a minimum of 100 euros is required to cover the right to be with them in a room, to kick on actions, they want more and each bit of action cost you 50 euros. OK I barely exaggerate but old good times of FKK are gone when girls were happy to be fully yours for 75 euros / h all inclusive and more. Todays generation has grown up with too much attention, care and money so they can't be efficient prossies.[/QUOTE]Can still find some girls who don t speak about money, some giving their rate on introduction, but no more money talk after, when I can t desire a grocery nor play grocer nor asking for the menu, just killing desire for me, when so enjoyable to discover surprise, to play to receive, same like I prefer when girls are not full naked, I love so much to put off their underwear, stockings, so funny to see their round eyes looking at me doing, they don t seem so used to, and really erotic game. I love to surprise these girls fucked whole day, some in business for years, like Alissa on Summer 2017 at LR, or wow Iranian at GT Vienna on last Summer.

Definitely want to go to Wellcum Next Summer.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546916]I don't know if same finances for GT German boss, but yes, as I often wrote, when now closed since more than 1 year, when didn't reopen like LR, and don't know if will reopen same after a polizei control but not about WGs, but wish girls will get private shower for reopening, and I think more about Germans than Romanians who are usually higher level for hygiene, rather than cat washing in toilets behind desk and tasting toilets on foreplay. As told one here and I liked his: eau de toilets, for GT perfume. A LR then GT cooker moved to 6 ens NL like few GT girls. When I don t think so much for German brothels on 2021 which is worst than 2020 for Germany, but maybe NL could reopen under heat, and beautiful YY is really missing, would be great if allowed to reopen and I m sure many NRW WGs would move for freedom to work there, like some WGs like Sharks for same. YY is more attractive to work than 6 ens for WGs from Germany, and I don t mean only for Germans.[/QUOTE]If DE still shut down, hope that owners of YY can work things out with local po po and reopen, take advantage of pent up demand for FKK. Good wellness there, good girls too!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2547112]If DE still shut down, hope that owners of YY can work things out with local po po and reopen, take advantage of pent up demand for FKK. Good wellness there, good girls too![/QUOTE]Germany won t reopen soon, but unfortunately YY is not welcome by Roermond female mayor. 2 g drugs was just bullshit, when I never saw so often a labrador searching, in any other club. For sure, would be great if could reopen, was high level club with shower in rooms.

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2547098]Definitely want to go to Wellcum Next Summer.[/QUOTE]Wish will open like on last Summer, my restaurant for Zoncolan, even not same level than on great level Summer 2017, with exceptional Lena. Ro for me. After discovery, I loved when she gave me pillow to put under her ass, opening her legs, behaving like: I wait for you to take care of me. GT Vienna may also worth for casting and some good level. Missing is Marina in Slovenia, not far from Wellcum, also close to Zoncolan, beautiful club where I enjoyed Mila. Ro on Summer 2018 and met a Swiss girl, super GFE Sandi speaking French, there.

Not far from Wellcum, also close to Zoncolan, beautiful club where I enjoyed Mila. Ro on Summer 2018 and met a Swiss girl, super GFE Sandi speaking French, there.

Do you remember the name of the beautiful club.

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2547221], not far from Wellcum, also close to Zoncolan, beautiful club where I enjoyed Mila. Ro on Summer 2018 and met a Swiss girl, super GFE Sandi speaking French, there.

Do you remember the name of the beautiful club.[/QUOTE]Written below, Marina in Slovenia was a very beautiful club, but unfortunately closed before covid. If You are in hurry, Zeus, Cleo, Aphrodite, History and Westside are open in Switzerland, starting around 120 € for entry with services and 30 mn with a girl. 2 Globe brothers are more expensive than Globe and only direkt zimmer.

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2547098]Definitely want to go to Wellcum Next Summer.[/QUOTE]In the Austria section you will find two threads 80% dedicated to only Wellcum.

Hi all,

I'm new here. I've been wondering for months if Dalma from Sharks is active. Does anybody have info about her?

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2547221], not far from Wellcum, also close to Zoncolan, beautiful club where I enjoyed Mila. Ro on Summer 2018 and met a Swiss girl, super GFE Sandi speaking French, there.

Do you remember the name of the beautiful club.[/QUOTE]Andiamo Men's club, Villach.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2548226]Andiamo Men's club, Villach.[/QUOTE]Wellcum gets most the attention and clients, but I've always enjoyed Andiamo and had good experiences there. Plus, it's easier to access if you're staying right in Villach (you can just walk to it).

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2548059]Hi all,

I'm new here. I've been wondering for months if Dalma from Sharks is active. Does anybody have info about her?[/QUOTE]Damn. Dalma has a lot of dudes wifed up. Tread lightly sir. I know of at least 2 men who have been funding her life.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2548226]Andiamo Men's club, Villach.[/QUOTE]My post was about club Marina in Slovenia, about 1h30 driving from Wellcum, but I also enjoyed Andiamo with inside and outside swimming pools which was better than Wellcum for me on 2016 and 2019, with more attractive girls, but unfortunately, when Wellcum had very average casting on last Summer, but Andiamo didn't open, when was reopened on 2019. When Wellcum is number 1 in Austria, Italians land.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548237]Damn. Dalma has a lot of dudes wifed up. Tread lightly sir. I know of at least 2 men who have been funding her life.[/QUOTE]I'm not wifed up, she's simply one of my favourite girls at Sharks (together with Scarlett, Alma, Kylie. Even though Kylie used to be much better a couple of years ago). Considering that many other girls from Sharks have been spotted working in private places, I was wondering if she's doing the same.

[QUOTE=TheRugdr;2548229]Wellcum gets most the attention and clients, but I've always enjoyed Andiamo and had good experiences there. Plus, it's easier to access if you're staying right in Villach (you can just walk to it).[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for your help, Planning my tripTo Vienna, When things open up, Hope to go to all these places.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548237]Damn. Dalma has a lot of dudes wifed up. Tread lightly sir. I know of at least 2 men who have been funding her life.[/QUOTE]I've never been a fan of Dalma, but I have also heard that she has 'external' support!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2548459]I've never been a fan of Dalma, but I have also heard that she has 'external' support![/QUOTE]Same, but I guess she's doing something right.

To the OP's question, I don't have any info about her escorting but I kind of doubt it. She must give awesome service due to her following but she does not seem to be the best suited for escort advertisements. She's obviously attractive to many men but I imagine that it would be hard for her to compete with the better lookers that went the escort route. Her skills seem better suited for the brothel environment where she can seduce men with her personality and service, earning loyal followers. I question her ability to get enough business in hotels in order to risk the legal consequences.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2548459]I've never been a fan of Dalma, but I have also heard that she has 'external' support![/QUOTE]Well it's put of doubt that she offers a good service even though she is maybe not the youngest or hottest one at Sharks. I like the time with her and it would be cool to have her as an Escort. Unfortunately I haven't found anything about her on the internet.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548498]She must give awesome service due to her following but she does not seem to be the best suited for escort advertisements. She's obviously attractive to many men but I imagine that it would be hard for her to compete with the better lookers that went the escort route. Her skills seem better suited for the brothel environment where she can seduce men with her personality and service, earning loyal followers. I question her ability to get enough business in hotels in order to risk the legal consequences.[/QUOTE]WGs often use fake photos (or old photos) in their advertisements. Over time, these bait-and-switch WGs will accumulate negative reviews, but many WGs just change their alias, city, and phone number whenever that happens. Personally, with independent escorts, I never really book a WG who has zero reviews. However, other mongers are either too lazy to do their research, or they do not mind being the first monger to review her, "taking one for the team."

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548498]Same, but I guess she's doing something right.

To the OP's question, I don't have any info about her escorting but I kind of doubt it. She must give awesome service due to her following but she does not seem to be the best suited for escort advertisements. She's obviously attractive to many men but I imagine that it would be hard for her to compete with the better lookers that went the escort route. Her skills seem better suited for the brothel environment where she can seduce men with her personality and service, earning loyal followers. I question her ability to get enough business in hotels in order to risk the legal consequences.[/QUOTE]She often told me about her Escort services and she also said that she would have done also for me (I simply did not want to spend that much money), that is why I was wondering if anybody had contacts with her. I honestly don't care of who is supporting her and what she is doing, I just like her service (especially her blowjobs) and I would like to meet her.

In one German forum, a user reported that she is now working in a casino in Frankfurt (I also knew this from her) but did not add much about her doing Escort.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2548514]Well it's put of doubt that she offers a good service even though she is maybe not the youngest or hottest one at Sharks. I like the time with her and it would be cool to have her as an Escort. Unfortunately I haven't found anything about her on the internet.[/QUOTE]Absolutely and you are right in trying to find her! Beauty is very subjective and I was also looking for Lena. De for a while, after she left Sharks (with no luck though! Sometimes we are also drawn by the girl's personality / attitude in addition to her beauty. I remember Sandra. Ro, Sophie. De and Lora. Hun as beautiful girls with a great attitude. Ahhh memories!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548498]Same, but I guess she's doing something right.

To the OP's question, I don't have any info about her escorting but I kind of doubt it. She must give awesome service due to her following but she does not seem to be the best suited for escort advertisements. She's obviously attractive to many men but I imagine that it would be hard for her to compete with the better lookers that went the escort route. Her skills seem better suited for the brothel environment where she can seduce men with her personality and service, earning loyal followers. I question her ability to get enough business in hotels in order to risk the legal consequences.[/QUOTE]Didn't see many wow beauties among girls claiming to escort in Germany. Never went with Shayen nor Coco at GT, not pretty enough for me, even wonderful tits for Shayen.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2548707]She often told me about her Escort services and she also said that she would have done also for me (I simply did not want to spend that much money), that is why I was wondering if anybody had contacts with her. I honestly don't care of who is supporting her and what she is doing.[/QUOTE]By telling you about her escort services, she might have been trying to groom you. Or at least see if you would take the bait. Based on what others are saying, it is likely that Dalma provides escort services but only to select few whales. If that is indeed the case, then she probably has no need to publicly advertise or seek new clients (until her whales stop supporting her). If she can live off just ten or so mongers, that lowers her risk profile with law enforcement. The only men who have her contact info would be her whales, and it is doubtful they would want to share. Best of luck with your search.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2548794]By telling you about her escort services, she might have been trying to groom you. Or at least see if you would take the bait. Based on what others are saying, it is likely that Dalma provides escort services but only to select few whales. If that is indeed the case, then she probably has no need to publicly advertise or seek new clients (until her whales stop supporting her). If she can live off just ten or so mongers, that lowers her risk profile with law enforcement. The only men who have her contact info would be her whales, and it is doubtful they would want to share. Best of luck with your search.[/QUOTE]I do have her contact (that I just used for knowing whether she was at Sharks those days I was planning to go there) but apparently she stopped answering when the pandemic started.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2548825]I do have her contact (that I just used for knowing whether she was at Sharks those days I was planning to go there) but apparently she stopped answering when the pandemic started.[/QUOTE]Some girls tell escorting to value themselves. Didn't you hear about Elen Sharks story about escorting in Dubaï? Some girls stopped business when clubs closed, maybe some will return on reopening, needing our money.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2548722]... I was also looking for Lena. De for a while, after she left Sharks (with no luck though! ...[/QUOTE]I encountered Lena, De. in Sharks in early 2020 after 4 years of not seeing her. She looked a lot less nice than in 2016 but I banged her anyway for old times sake.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549030]Some girls tell escorting to value themselves. Didn't you hear about Elen Sharks story about escorting in Duba? Some girls stopped business when clubs closed, maybe some will return on reopening, needing our money.[/QUOTE]It might be. I honestly hope that Dalma is anyway still in the business so that I can bang her before the reopening of the FKKs, but I've honestly lost my hope. I've tried contacting her twice since the pandemic started (and she used to reply my messages) but without success.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2549144]It might be. I honestly hope that Dalma is anyway still in the business so that I can bang her before the reopening of the FKKs, but I've honestly lost my hope. I've tried contacting her twice since the pandemic started (and she used to reply my messages) but without success.[/QUOTE]I don't know who Dalma is, never noticed her at Sharks. If you contact via whatsapp, do your message arrive or not?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2549091]I encountered Lena, De. in Sharks in early 2020 after 4 years of not seeing her. She looked a lot less nice than in 2016 but I banged her anyway for old times sake.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember you posted this some time ago. Did she say where she went when she left Sharks?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549187]I don't know who Dalma is, never noticed her at Sharks. If you contact via whatsapp, do your message arrive or not?[/QUOTE]Nope, I'm sending her SMS messages. She used to reply my SMS messages (I've never been intrusive, I just used to ask something like "are you going to be at Sharks today? But since the pandemic has started I've tried twice without success. That's why I'm wondering if anybody is in contact with her and maybe tell me whether she's still in the business and available for escort dates.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2549188]Yes, I remember you posted this some time ago. Did she say where she went when she left Sharks?[/QUOTE]I did not ask her and we did not chat long enough for her to go into those details. She was in Sharks for just a few days and then she was gone again.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2549378]Nope, I'm sending her SMS messages. She used to reply my SMS messages (I've never been intrusive, I just used to ask something like "are you going to be at Sharks today? But since the pandemic has started I've tried twice without success. That's why I'm wondering if anybody is in contact with her and maybe tell me whether she's still in the business and available for escort dates.[/QUOTE]Many of these girls have been out of work for a year. I wonder how many have resigned to live a normal life, dating men their own age, from their own culture. Many of the girls have never known normal adult life with normal healthy relationships, working in prostitution since they were 18, some even earlier than that. What will being home, living like a normal person in their own country, with money in their pockets do to their motivation to go back to work in a foreign country, often living in dormitory style conditions, sleeping in the same building in which they work.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2549378]Nope, I'm sending her SMS messages. She used to reply my SMS messages (I've never been intrusive, I just used to ask something like "are you going to be at Sharks today? But since the pandemic has started I've tried twice without success. That's why I'm wondering if anybody is in contact with her and maybe tell me whether she's still in the business and available for escort dates.[/QUOTE]I can't help you, but try maybe to send via whatsapp. Some don't use anymore sms, if she changed her phone contract, not meaning changing number.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549546]I can't help you, but try maybe to send via whatsapp. Some don't use anymore sms, if she changed her phone contract, not meaning changing number.[/QUOTE]Worth a shot. Also if not using iPhone or other read-receipt enabled messenger, WhatsApp could tell you if she received / read the message.

Stalker tip: Send 2 messages with one being a picture, forcing her to open it if she what is to read it. This way she can't just preview the message without a read-receipt. But bets off if read-receipts are turned off.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549546]I can't help you, but try maybe to send via whatsapp. Some don't use anymore sms, if she changed her phone contract, not meaning changing number.[/QUOTE]The whatsapp contact connected to that phone number seems to be deactivated, and anyway she suggested me to write her via SMS messages. As I said, she used to reply my messages before the pandemic, but afterwards not. It a shame because I find Dalma one of the best girls I've met in pay sex and I'd really like to meet her again soon.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548313]My post was about club Marina in Slovenia, about 1h30 driving from Wellcum, but I also enjoyed Andiamo with inside and outside swimming pools which was better than Wellcum for me on 2016 and 2019, with more attractive girls, but unfortunately, when Wellcum had very average casting on last Summer, but Andiamo didn't open, when was reopened on 2019. When Wellcum is number 1 in Austria, Italians land.[/QUOTE]My apologies to Siri. Thank you for the correction. BTW which languages do the girls and the desk staff speak at Marina?

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2549599]My apologies to Siri. Thank you for the correction. BTW which languages do the girls and the desk staff speak at Marina?[/QUOTE]In Slovenia most of the people can speak English or and German.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549514]Many of these girls have been out of work for a year. I wonder how many have resigned to live a normal life, dating men their own age, from their own culture. Many of the girls have never known normal adult life with normal healthy relationships, working in prostitution since they were 18, some even earlier than that. What will being home, living like a normal person in their own country, with money in their pockets do to their motivation to go back to work in a foreign country, often living in dormitory style conditions, sleeping in the same building in which they work.[/QUOTE]I don't believe any miss the working conditions, but how many can live off their savings, how many decide that they don't actually need Philipp Plein clothing and how many will tell their "iubi" that he should be getting a job and earn some money too.

Definitely some will not return. But every year there is a new crop of young girls who decide that living of a cashier salary at Carrefour is not good enough.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2549587]The whatsapp contact connected to that phone number seems to be deactivated, and anyway she suggested me to write her via SMS messages. As I said, she used to reply my messages before the pandemic, but afterwards not. It a shame because I find Dalma one of the best girls I've met in pay sex and I'd really like to meet her again soon.[/QUOTE]To all my girls who stopped, I always wished a better life and to be free about their money. I don t know when Sharks will reopen, but I m pretty sure it will reopen, when not sure for all clubs. Maybe she will need money and return. You will see, or find a new lover.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2549599]My apologies to Siri. Thank you for the correction. BTW which languages do the girls and the desk staff speak at Marina?[/QUOTE]Desk and WGs spoke English, mostly Romanians, at Marina in Slovenia on Italian border, but as I wrote, it closed before covid, nothing about covid. When heat will return in EU, like on last Summer, Wellcum on Italian border and GT Vienna and some other Austrian clubs should reopen. Switzerland and Spain also. Even vaccine get delayed in EU from lack and problems about AZ and maybe also about new Johnson, but heat should help organisms to become stronger. Let s see when opened when no vaccine on last Summer.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549703]I don't believe any miss the working conditions, but how many can live off their savings, how many decide that they don't actually need Philipp Plein clothing and how many will tell their "iubi" that he should be getting a job and earn some money too.

Definitely some will not return. But every year there is a new crop of young girls who decide that living of a cashier salary at Carrefour is not good enough.[/QUOTE]I believe many will return to the clubs. Just before the crisis started, back in March last year, I remember a couple of girls telling me that if the clubs were going to close, they would use that time to be with family or escorting, but they said they very much prefer the clubs as they feel safer there.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549703]I don't believe any miss the working conditions, but how many can live off their savings, how many decide that they don't actually need Philipp Plein clothing and how many will tell their "iubi" that he should be getting a job and earn some money too.

Definitely some will not return. But every year there is a new crop of young girls who decide that living of a cashier salary at Carrefour is not good enough.[/QUOTE]Do you know supermarket cashier salary in far deep Romania, let s say around Sibiu or Iasie? Furthermore when the girl got a baby, and guy ran away like so many. Didn t You hear such stories? Or maybe You think high level of life in Romania after the wall, girls just dreaming to be fucked by Western old fat. When most can t have good self image from their job, like I can be proud, maybe they need to show different image, even only fog. I wonder what they see in mirror, when I know what I see.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2549848]I believe many will return to the clubs. Just before the crisis started, back in March last year, I remember a couple of girls telling me that if the clubs were going to close, they would use that time to be with family or escorting, but they said they very much prefer the clubs as they feel safer there.[/QUOTE]Yes, many Germans told me working in brothels is safer than escorting in Germany, preferring, even lower rates, but not always lower earning at the end of their day. On mid 2020, mostly same girls returning, even some moved to Switzerland, many Oase girls at Globe, also 3 Germans from GT. Reina and Neli from LR in BTCCI.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2549848]I believe many will return to the clubs. Just before the crisis started, back in March last year, I remember a couple of girls telling me that if the clubs were going to close, they would use that time to be with family or escorting, but they said they very much prefer the clubs as they feel safer there.[/QUOTE]I heard from many FKK girls that they gave up escorting because of the perceived or real risk. FKK is hard work with tough hours, but they can screen most creeps by chatting for a few minutes or by getting intel from other WGs.

Could anyone suggest the way to reach FKK Darmstadt from Frankfurt Hahn using public transport Please??

[QUOTE=Adindas;2549907]Could anyone suggest the way to reach FKK Darmstadt from Frankfurt Hahn using public transport Please??[/QUOTE]Train from Frankfurt, bus from airport, to Darmstadt.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2549907]Could anyone suggest the way to reach FKK Darmstadt from Frankfurt Hahn using public transport Please??[/QUOTE]It was pretty unnerving the first time to Find sharks, after you do it it's fairly easy, There is an app for your phone For public transportation, Works really good, once to get the hang of it, This is a video on YouTube To help you find your way. Better than nothing [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rGXfzld88[/URL].

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549703]I don't believe any miss the working conditions, but how many can live off their savings, how many decide that they don't actually need Philipp Plein clothing and how many will tell their "iubi" that he should be getting a job and earn some money too.

Definitely some will not return. But every year there is a new crop of young girls who decide that living of a cashier salary at Carrefour is not good enough.[/QUOTE]Oh I agree. Just pointing out that we might not see some of the old favorites and hopefully due to the girls gaining some life perspective. A year is a long time, especially for a 20 something. Perhaps some girls have discovered other motivations besides making money and expensive habits. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

For sure, there will be new ones to replenish the old stock.

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2549915]It was pretty unnerving the first time to Find sharks, after you do it it's fairly easy, There is an app for your phone For public transportation, Works really good, once to get the hang of it, This is a video on YouTube To help you find your way. Better than nothing [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rGXfzld88[/URL].[/QUOTE]He's coming from Frankfurt Hahn Airport, not Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof, so that video doesn't really help. Quickest option by public transport is to take the bus from Frankfurt Hahn Airport to Frankfurt Airport.

[URL]https://www.flibco.com[/URL]

Then the bus from Frankfurt airport to Darmstadt HB.

[URL]https://www.rmv.de/c/en/tickets/your-ticket/tickets-overview/local-tickets/airliner-direct-bus-darmstadt-frankfurt-airport[/URL]

From Darmstadt HB take a taxi, or get the bus as explained here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=2240906&viewfull=1#post2240906[/URL]

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2549964]He's coming from Frankfurt Hahn Airport, not Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof, so that video doesn't really help. Quickest option by public transport is to take the bus from Frankfurt Hahn Airport to Frankfurt Airport.

[URL]https://www.flibco.com[/URL]

Then the bus from Frankfurt airport to Darmstadt HB.

[URL]https://www.rmv.de/c/en/tickets/your-ticket/tickets-overview/local-tickets/airliner-direct-bus-darmstadt-frankfurt-airport[/URL]

From Darmstadt HB take a taxi, or get the bus as explained here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=2240906&viewfull=1#post2240906[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks indeed, I already know how to get to FKK shark from Frankfurt HB. If you fly budget airlines in Europe many budget Airlines (if not all) are landing on Frankfurt-Hahn airport not Frankfurt Am Main Airport.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2549970]Thanks indeed, I already know how to get to FKK shark from Frankfurt HB. If you fly budget airlines in Europe many budget Airlines (if not all) are landing on Frankfurt-Hahn airport not Frankfurt Am Main Airport.[/QUOTE]My mistake, Anyway, The app that I used for Frankfurt transit Was RMV, You can download it on your phone, Works well.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549742]To all my girls who stopped, I always wished a better life and to be free about their money. I don t know when Sharks will reopen, but I m pretty sure it will reopen, when not sure for all clubs. Maybe she will need money and return. You will see, or find a new lover.[/QUOTE]As I probably already mentioned, somebody on a German forum said that Dalma is back to the job she was doing while not working ad Sharks in a Casino in Frankfurt, but not sure if she's accepting people for escorting.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2550122]As I probably already mentioned, somebody on a German forum said that Dalma is back to the job she was doing while not working ad Sharks in a Casino in Frankfurt, but not sure if she's accepting people for escorting.[/QUOTE]I would be surprised casino are open in Germany when strict lockdown since Christmas, when brothels never reopened in Hessen since 13 months, only Saarland starting to reopen a bit. Or do You mean supermarket brand Casino we have in France? My advice: don t believe all what is written on forums, laughable what I read sometimes about girls I know. NL and Germans are not really reliable for me.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549917]Oh I agree. Just pointing out that we might not see some of the old favorites and hopefully due to the girls gaining some life perspective. A year is a long time, especially for a 20 something. Perhaps some girls have discovered other motivations besides making money and expensive habits. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

For sure, there will be new ones to replenish the old stock.[/QUOTE]On mid 2020 reopening, mostly same girls, some moving to other club, didn't see many newbies, when business was quite slow. Pretty sure will be same on next reopening, when business will be difficult for new girls, easier for regular girls when business is slow.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550224]I would be surprised casino are open in Germany when strict lockdown since Christmas, when brothels never reopened in Hessen since 13 months, only Saarland starting to reopen a bit. Or do You mean supermarket brand Casino we have in France? My advice: don t believe all what is written on forums, laughable what I read sometimes about girls I know. NL and Germans are not really reliable for me.[/QUOTE]I live in Germany (even though I'm not German) and I can witness that Germany's had a real and hard lockdown only since December (or end of November). Before that time, many things have always been open, including entertainment places, gyms, restaurants, museums. Even brothels have reopened for some weeks in autumn and prostitution itself has never been forbidden in private places. What I have read on a German forum (about Dalma working in an amusement hall, a Spielhalle in German) dates back to months ago, therefore it is plausible, considering also that she had mentioned that job many times when I've met her. Now everything is closed and she obviously can't be working there.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2550122]As I probably already mentioned, somebody on a German forum said that Dalma is back to the job she was doing while not working ad Sharks in a Casino in Frankfurt, but not sure if she's accepting people for escorting.[/QUOTE]Man you are persistent LOL. I was the one provided the information before they closed the thread of course. I don't have direct contact with Dalma but just happened to know it when chatting with another girl. And it was of course before the second lockdown in Germany. What happened now, I don't know. But those girls read the forum (this one, not the German one) when they are working in Sharks. So maybe she or one of her friends can see it as you post here. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549917] Perhaps some girls have discovered other motivations besides making money and expensive habits. [/QUOTE]Motivations? Really? Is that the key word in this pandemic? In Romania? 2021?

[QUOTE=PonyBoy;2550338]Man you are persistent LOL. I was the one provided the information before they closed the thread of course. I don't have direct contact with Dalma but just happened to know it when chatting with another girl. And it was of course before the second lockdown in Germany. What happened now, I don't know. But those girls read the forum (this one, not the German one) when they are working in Sharks. So maybe she or one of her friends can see it as you post here. Good luck![/QUOTE]Haha I'm sorry, it was not my intention to be persistent, I was just replying all the messages.

[QUOTE=MikAlbert;2550330]I live in Germany (even though I'm not German) and I can witness that Germany's had a real and hard lockdown only since December (or end of November). Before that time, many things have always been open, including entertainment places, gyms, restaurants, museums. Even brothels have reopened for some weeks in autumn and prostitution itself has never been forbidden in private places. What I have read on a German forum (about Dalma working in an amusement hall, a Spielhalle in German) dates back to months ago, therefore it is plausible, considering also that she had mentioned that job many times when I've met her. Now everything is closed and she obviously can't be working there.[/QUOTE]Differences between landers and Hessen brothels never reopened, when NRW or Berlin did, but I wish You to find her if she still works this business, or maybe will return when reopening, girls usually returning to home club, but nobody know when. Many Sharks girls and not only at Sharks, but also at LR, GT, Gold, Oase, Globe, read us, telling what we write.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550486]Differences between landers and Hessen brothels never reopened, when NRW or Berlin did, but I wish You to find her if she still works this business, or maybe will return when reopening, girls usually returning to home club, but nobody know when. Many Sharks girls and not only at Sharks, but also at LR, GT, Gold, Oase, Globe, read us, telling what we write.[/QUOTE]I was referring to her working in a Casino. That is totally plausible because such things have been open for long time in many German regions.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550262]On mid 2020 reopening, mostly same girls, some moving to other club, didn't see many newbies, when business was quite slow. Pretty sure will be same on next reopening, when business will be difficult for new girls, easier for regular girls when business is slow.[/QUOTE]Summer 2020 was only 3 months after lock downs. We are now over 1 year removed from initial restrictions. If you do not think many things will change in the life of a 20 something year old after 1+ year away, then you might not be in tune with the fickle nature of young people.

I think most girls will come back, but it is not exactly going out on a limb to expect many girls to never return.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550262]On mid 2020 reopening, mostly same girls, some moving to other club, didn't see many newbies, when business was quite slow. Pretty sure will be same on next reopening, when business will be difficult for new girls, easier for regular girls when business is slow.[/QUOTE]I'll even add that Kate of GT has already told many regulars that she does not plan to return to work. Perhaps it will only be temporary and maybe she will change her mind when she needs the money. Who knows. But it is interesting that she made that decision shortly after we spoke about her new Dutch (Belgian?) "boyfriend" last year.

To not be open to the possibility that some attractive girls in their 20's will not settle into long term relationships and leave the business is wishfully ignoring the normal life events of normal people. Or perhaps it is just being argumentative and contrarian.

Heck, one of my regulars has stopped contacting me when she used to do so every few weeks just to chat. Coincidentally, she has been posting pictures with a man close to her age when she has never posted a picture with a man in the 4 years that I've known her.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2550451]Motivations? Really? Is that the key word in this pandemic? In Romania? 2021?[/QUOTE]When high level of life in Romania, with their high level of education, they should find well paid job in Iasie. Only peste are not able to find a job, to feed beloved GF and baby, when they could buy a dacia to make work Romanian business and give employment.

Since the clubs in Germany are closed, I went to Switzerland last week. The Cleo Club in Bargen, near Bern, was recommended to me. There would also be some Sharks girls working there. I went there last week. Well, it's not like the Sharks. The club is a bit smaller. But the line-up with 40 ladies was absolutely great. I felt very comfortable and who did I see there. Elif and Amalia. The two sweet horny sisters from the Sharks. It was a great reunion and the three of us were very happy. Elif works at the club under the name Chloe. My joy was so great that we enjoyed a hot threesome. 1 hour.

Full of eroticism and lust with these two wonderful and personable sexy girls. The way is long, but I will come again. It was 100% worth it for me.

[QUOTE=Hugo100;2554822]Since the clubs in Germany are closed, I went to Switzerland last week. The Cleo Club in Bargen, near Bern, was recommended to me. There would also be some Sharks girls working there. I went there last week. Well, it's not like the Sharks. The club is a bit smaller. But the line-up with 40 ladies was absolutely great. I felt very comfortable and who did I see there. Elif and Amalia. The two sweet horny sisters from the Sharks. It was a great reunion and the three of us were very happy. Elif works at the club under the name Chloe. My joy was so great that we enjoyed a hot threesome. 1 hour.

Full of eroticism and lust with these two wonderful and personable sexy girls. The way is long, but I will come again. It was 100% worth it for me.[/QUOTE]I am not great on names. If it is the two "sisters' that I have in mind, one being a pale blonde, then they were barely worth it even at Sharks' (pre-Covid) price. Not sure how much you had to pay; glad you liked it though and had a good time. That is all that matters.

Cleo is only around 95 € for entry, I think foods now and 30 mn in bed, less expensive than in Germany. When Germany, NL and Austria are closed, when Swiss brothel ZH is also closed, but other Swiss clubs need to make discount offer. This business must really be slow only with Swiss. Many WGs moved to Switzerland.

Just finished reading the last 18 pages since my last post here on 09-21-2020. Yours is the only post with real monger info abet it's Switzerland. Thanks.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=Hugo100;2554822]Since the clubs in Germany are closed, I went to Switzerland last week. The Cleo Club in Bargen, near Bern, was recommended to me. There would also be some Sharks girls working there. I went there last week. Well, it's not like the Sharks. The club is a bit smaller. But the line-up with 40 ladies was absolutely great. I felt very comfortable and who did I see there. Elif and Amalia. The two sweet horny sisters from the Sharks. It was a great reunion and the three of us were very happy. Elif works at the club under the name Chloe. My joy was so great that we enjoyed a hot threesome. 1 hour.

Full of eroticism and lust with these two wonderful and personable sexy girls. The way is long, but I will come again. It was 100% worth it for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hugo100;2554822]Since the clubs in Germany are closed, I went to Switzerland last week. The Cleo Club in Bargen, near Bern, was recommended to me. There would also be some Sharks girls working there. I went there last week. Well, it's not like the Sharks. The club is a bit smaller. But the line-up with 40 ladies was absolutely great. I felt very comfortable and who did I see there. Elif and Amalia. The two sweet horny sisters from the Sharks. It was a great reunion and the three of us were very happy. Elif works at the club under the name Chloe. My joy was so great that we enjoyed a hot threesome. 1 hour.

Full of eroticism and lust with these two wonderful and personable sexy girls. The way is long, but I will come again. It was 100% worth it for me.[/QUOTE]Happy to hear some of you are enjoying the Saunas still in this dry season. Missing the Saunas in FR, Klon and Dusseldorf. Keep going friend and upload the experiences.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554889]I am not great on names. If it is the two "sisters' that I have in mind, one being a pale blonde, then they were barely worth it even at Sharks' (pre-Covid) price. Not sure how much you had to pay; glad you liked it though and had a good time. That is all that matters.[/QUOTE]2 Sharks looking like sisters, but not twins. At Sharks since few years, usually staying close to stairs to rooms.

I don't know if these are these sisters. In any case, the two sisters. Elif - new Chloe and Amalia. Who used to be at the Sharks and now at the Cleo Club in Switzerland are great for me.

In Switzerland, some clubs are open to a limited extent. Club History, Club Westside, Club Zeus, Club Cleo, Club Freubad etc. And everywhere.

Distributed it to Sharks girls. For me the visit was worth it and.

I will go to the Cleo Club again and also visit other clubs in Switzerland. The prices in the Cleo Club are fair. It's worth checking out the homepage.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554889]I am not great on names. If it is the two "sisters' that I have in mind, one being a pale blonde, then they were barely worth it even at Sharks' (pre-Covid) price. Not sure how much you had to pay; glad you liked it though and had a good time. That is all that matters.[/QUOTE]Olif and Amira?

Can't remember the pale, blonde one's name for sure. She had a nice body and good tits but not that skillful, yet not bad for young, civilian girl sex standards.

Most people say her sister was a better performer. Wouldn't know myself. She eventually put on some weight and dropped out of my P6 standards before trying her. And from some angles, her face was a bit butter.

[QUOTE=Hugo100;2554822]Since the clubs in Germany are closed, I went to Switzerland last week. The Cleo Club in Bargen, near Bern, was recommended to me. There would also be some Sharks girls working there. I went there last week. Well, it's not like the Sharks. The club is a bit smaller. But the line-up with 40 ladies was absolutely great. I felt very comfortable and who did I see there. Elif and Amalia. The two sweet horny sisters from the Sharks. It was a great reunion and the three of us were very happy. Elif works at the club under the name Chloe. My joy was so great that we enjoyed a hot threesome. 1 hour.

Full of eroticism and lust with these two wonderful and personable sexy girls. The way is long, but I will come again. It was 100% worth it for me.[/QUOTE]I had many wonderful sessions with these 2 sisters at Sharks. I first met them at Sharks around 2017. I am glad that they have found gainful employment in CH. I know some Sharks girls are escorting in DE.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555200]Olif and Amira?

Can't remember the pale, blonde one's name for sure. She had a nice body and good tits but not that skillful, yet not bad for young, civilian girl sex standards.

Most people say her sister was a better performer. Wouldn't know myself. She eventually put on some weight and dropped out of my P6 standards before trying her. And from some angles, her face was a bit butter.[/QUOTE]Elif and Amalia. Both average face for me, I can't say more.

[QUOTE=Hugo100;2555177]I don't know if these are these sisters. In any case, the two sisters. Elif - new Chloe and Amalia. Who used to be at the Sharks and now at the Cleo Club in Switzerland are great for me.

In Switzerland, some clubs are open to a limited extent. Club History, Club Westside, Club Zeus, Club Cleo, Club Freubad etc. And everywhere.

Distributed it to Sharks girls. For me the visit was worth it and.

I will go to the Cleo Club again and also visit other clubs in Switzerland. The prices in the Cleo Club are fair. It's worth checking out the homepage.[/QUOTE]ZH which is big brothel of Switzerland is closed since December. But Freubad and Zeus worth and less expensive. Only 99 CHF discount at Cleo, Swiss may not make good enough business.

Some Sharks girls seem sharking behavior now at Cleo. Be for discount 99 CHF for entry, foods and 30 mn in bed, or 229 with 1 hour in bed. Discount, Swiss business may not be enough, even when they are the only opened. I control easy not to go to take risk and nothing about covid which don t worry me much after my Summer 2020 and my few escorts, even too rare attractive now.

Found these while cleaning. Present one on Mondays and Tuesdays and you get EUR 20 off, they take it and give you another. Wonder if they will still be valid when Sharks reopens.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2558597]Found these while cleaning. Present one on Mondays and Tuesdays and you get EUR 20 off, they take it and give you another. Wonder if they will still be valid when Sharks reopens.[/QUOTE]I have one in my travelling bag and I will keep it until I know whether it is still valid or not.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2558597]Found these while cleaning. Present one on Mondays and Tuesdays and you get EUR 20 off, they take it and give you another. Wonder if they will still be valid when Sharks reopens.[/QUOTE]They gave another only on Monday, not Tuesday. Pretty sure they will accept on reopening, but I don't know when it will be in Germany. I don't see brothels scanning QR code, but in Switzerland they ask your data, some checking phone and ID, so brothels will be less crowded with some so good guys who don't want to give their data, and discounts are offered in Switzerland. At Sharks, entry and 30 mn in bed = 115 € or 95 on Mondays / Tuesdays. At Cleo. Be. Ch, 99 CHF = less than 95 € , for entry, foods, drinks, wellness and 30 mn in bed.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2557596]Some Sharks girls seem sharking behavior now at Cleo. Be for discount 99 CHF for entry, foods and 30 mn in bed, or 229 with 1 hour in bed. Discount, Swiss business may not be enough, even when they are the only opened. I control easy not to go to take risk and nothing about covid which don t worry me much after my Summer 2020 and my few escorts, even too rare attractive now.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report, but sorry I only visit FKK in Germany and GT in Vienna. More and more I really don t care about prostitutes so difficult to find young natural beauties and I don't go with those kind of professionals switching from Germany to Switzerland and to Spain.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2555271]I had many wonderful sessions with these 2 sisters at Sharks. I first met them at Sharks around 2017. I am glad that they have found gainful employment in CH. I know some Sharks girls are escorting in DE.[/QUOTE]Ok you fucked them in 2017 now we are in 2021, let us imagine they got fucked 5 to 10 times everyday for sure I will never fuck them, I am only looking for young, natural beauties but nice to see that we still have so many men ready to pay for those overfucked prostitutes.

Good News in Germany, Cases are dropping fast, Vaccination rate +30% and increasing fast.

Any hope for Sharks reopening in July?

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2558657]Good News in Germany, Cases are dropping fast, Vaccination rate +30% and increasing fast.

Any hope for Sharks reopening in July?[/QUOTE]If UK and other places reaching 50% is anything to go by, cases drop dramatically at that level. And given the rate of jabs in Germany, the rates could be down seriously already by June.

Fingers crossed!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558617]Ok you fucked them in 2017 now we are in 2021, let us imagine they got fucked 5 to 10 times everyday for sure I will never fuck them, I am only looking for young, natural beauties but nice to see that we still have so many men ready to pay for those overfucked prostitutes.[/QUOTE]"I am only looking for natural beauties" - in a Sharks thread?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558695]"I am only looking for natural beauties" - in a Sharks thread?[/QUOTE]Don't worry he's just constantly doing 'copy' +'paste'.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2558657]Good News in Germany, Cases are dropping fast, Vaccination rate +30% and increasing fast.

Any hope for Sharks reopening in July?[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that there's a very slim chance, as FKK's will be at the back of the line of openings and if the UK is a good indicator then it's going to be at least 3 months of lowering of restrictions. I'm waiting for a September opening and that could still be optimistic. It really depends on how cautious the government (and states?) will be.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558617]Ok you fucked them in 2017 now we are in 2021, let us imagine they got fucked 5 to 10 times everyday for sure I will never fuck them, I am only looking for young, natural beauties but nice to see that we still have so many men ready to pay for those overfucked prostitutes.[/QUOTE]OK, so you think the young and natural beauties prostitutes that you fucked in the past chose you as their first client? Ohhh that's so cute!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558695]"I am only looking for natural beauties" - in a Sharks thread?[/QUOTE]This was possible several years back, I remember the time when every weeks new girls arrived directly with the bus from Romania and starting to work in World, Shark, Oase but probably this will not come back. Now we can fuck veteran girls with porn look, fake boobs, lips. I think that the offer adapt to the demand this is what the guys of 2021 are looking for.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2558657]Good News in Germany, Cases are dropping fast, Vaccination rate +30% and increasing fast.

Any hope for Sharks reopening in July?[/QUOTE]Only in Marseilles, 350 fully vaccinated people got the covid, the efficiency rate is more around 50%, but how can we trust companies like Pfister. Which were all condemned for bribery.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2558604]I have one in my travelling bag and I will keep it until I know whether it is still valid or not.[/QUOTE]I also have one, since years, because each Monday, they gave me new 20€ voucher.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558811]Only in Marseilles, 350 fully vaccinated people got the covid, the efficiency rate is more around 50%, but how can we trust companies like Pfister. Which were all condemned for bribery.[/QUOTE]Marseille is beautiful place, but on another planet, like alien Raoult. Not reliable for example.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558810]This was possible several years back, I remember the time when every weeks new girls arrived directly with the bus from Romania and starting to work in World, Shark, Oase but probably this will not come back. Now we can fuck veteran girls with porn look, fake boobs, lips. I think that the offer adapt to the demand this is what the guys of 2021 are looking for.[/QUOTE]Megan on end of November 2015 , Florentina. Ro, Madi 2. Ro, wow Tamara. Ro on June 2018 , but more and more porn looks. New culture, but not for me. Globe became silicon contest, some girls putting silicon between Oase or Artemis and Globe.

Agree. Weather prediction seems easy. But predictions of policians / public policy? I am personally a no-covid believer. So with that logic we could open in 4 weeks.

But that would require a super-sharp lockdown for 2-3 weeks. Like those we saw in NZ, AUS, TAIWAN etc. Since this isn't happening.

Sep-opening is realistic. I am even hoping for August! But I am an optimist.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2558788]I'm guessing that there's a very slim chance, as FKK's will be at the back of the line of openings and if the UK is a good indicator then it's going to be at least 3 months of lowering of restrictions. I'm waiting for a September opening and that could still be optimistic. It really depends on how cautious the government (and states?) will be.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2560761]Agree. Weather prediction seems easy. But predictions of policians / public policy? I am personally a no-covid believer. So with that logic we could open in 4 weeks.

But that would require a super-sharp lockdown for 2-3 weeks. Like those we saw in NZ, AUS, TAIWAN etc. Since this isn't happening.

Sep-opening is realistic. I am even hoping for August! But I am an optimist.[/QUOTE]I hope so! I'm hoping the EU opens back to Americans without needing to show proof of vaccination. I need to get my Sharks fix!

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2560761]Agree. Weather prediction seems easy. But predictions of policians / public policy? I am personally a no-covid believer. So with that logic we could open in 4 weeks.

But that would require a super-sharp lockdown for 2-3 weeks. Like those we saw in NZ, AUS, TAIWAN etc. Since this isn't happening.

Sep-opening is realistic. I am even hoping for August! But I am an optimist.[/QUOTE]Hope you're right. I'm confident that SixSense, Switzerland, and Austria will be mostly open by August, maybe even July. Germany however is a big question mark. It will be quite interesting how these places will handle vaccination status.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2560921]Hope you're right. I'm confident that SixSense, Switzerland, and Austria will be mostly open by August, maybe even July. Germany however is a big question mark. It will be quite interesting how these places will handle vaccination status.[/QUOTE]Sixsens opened yesterday but on a degraded mode.

Only three hours of presence for 50 euros.

[QUOTE=PokePro;2560769]I hope so! I'm hoping the EU opens back to Americans without needing to show proof of vaccination. I need to get my Sharks fix![/QUOTE]That won't happen for a long time. The EU has agreed to allow visitors back from counties on a safe list with low cases but the final decision will include a requirement that visitors are fully vaccinated.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2560921]Hope you're right. I'm confident that SixSense, Switzerland, and Austria will be mostly open by August, maybe even July. Germany however is a big question mark. It will be quite interesting how these places will handle vaccination status.[/QUOTE]According to a post on the Graz thread, Paradise is opening tomorrow. Let's hope this marks the beginning of the end of the FKK drought.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2561024]According to a post on the Graz thread, Paradise is opening tomorrow. Let's hope this marks the beginning of the end of the FKK drought.[/QUOTE]Not the same. I was in FKKs in Switzerland and Austria many times last summer but most FKKs in Germany, particularly Hesse, were closed. The way Markel and Germany is handing Covid, I doubt Sharks will open until next year. Germans need to wake up and vote correctly in September if they want their lives back.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2561333]Not the same. I was in FKKs in Switzerland and Austria many times last summer but most FKKs in Germany, particularly Hesse, were closed. The way Markel and Germany is handing Covid, I doubt Sharks will open until next year. Germans need to wake up and vote correctly in September if they want their lives back.[/QUOTE]Well Merkel is already out so you won't have to worry about her.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2561333]Not the same. I was in FKKs in Switzerland and Austria many times last summer but most FKKs in Germany, particularly Hesse, were closed. The way Markel and Germany is handing Covid, I doubt Sharks will open until next year. Germans need to wake up and vote correctly in September if they want their lives back.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree Markel was Obsessive, but I hope with the fast vaccination rate and low cases and death in June, she will not be able to justify her decisions to close the economy, I hope everything will open is Summer including FKK.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2561412]Yes I agree Markel was Obsessive, but I hope with the fast vaccination rate and low cases and death in June, she will not be able to justify her decisions to close the economy, I hope everything will open is Summer including FKK.[/QUOTE]Germany just put UK as risky area with 2 weeks quarantine, even you are vaccined and even if negative test on arrival, ranked mutants area. They seemed to understand vaccined can still spread, when UK mutant killed EU on this year and now Indian mutant spreading in UK, maybe black mushroom will also follow. Germany just seem to think they already had enough deaths, around 90 000 and not finished, I won t blame them to try to protect their citizens. When we have now in France a UK mutant mutation. When 80% cases in India were under UK mutant and now Indian mutant is spreading in UK, kind of tennis.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2561412]Yes I agree Markel was Obsessive, but I hope with the fast vaccination rate and low cases and death in June, she will not be able to justify her decisions to close the economy, I hope everything will open is Summer including FKK.[/QUOTE]The infection rate is dropping fast because of the vaccination program, 67 per 100,000 now. It could be another month, more likely two before FKK's will be allowed to open so August is starting to look a little more promising.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2561515]The infection rate is dropping fast because of the vaccination program, 67 per 100,000 now. It could be another month, more likely two before FKK's will be allowed to open so August is starting to look a little more promising.[/QUOTE]Just before elections? Really suicidal politics. And I wonder how it will be after holidays, when cold will return.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2561333]Not the same. I was in FKKs in Switzerland and Austria many times last summer but most FKKs in Germany, particularly Hesse, were closed. The way Markel and Germany is handing Covid, I doubt Sharks will open until next year. Germans need to wake up and vote correctly in September if they want their lives back.[/QUOTE]I fully agree, but even IF Germans will vote differently, it will take many years to rebuild much of the nation and get Germany back to the economic foundation that FKK clubs are built upon.

Here (in German) are some videos from NDR German State TV highlighting the complete FUCK UP that Germany made of the Covid1984 situation. It's not just government bureaucracy, but also a total lack of customer service and local authorities that could not organize a binge drinking party in a brewery.

Local nonsense: [URL]https://youtu.be/L_z-YW5Io7g[/URL].

More local madness: [URL]https://youtu.be/ZOeGCVXAaHE[/URL].

Hamburger business owner going bankrupt, getting no financial assistance: [URL]https://youtu.be/V24C5mHPpuk[/URL].

Unable to get vaccinated + guy told on 17th Jan that he should have quarantined 3 weeks ago: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tpI9BHEA0[/URL].

Unable to get an appointment for vaccination + chaotic Covid rules: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKxccdNYLNU[/URL].

Police detectives working from home (taking criminal investigation dossiers home! But not allowed to print out anything at home: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HRol45GUBI[/URL].

The list goes on and on and on. You really couldn't make this shit up, even if you tried. LOL!

And yet people think that Germany is the country of the Autobahn, high tech, and where everything is super-organised!

Expect this chaos to continue, and heaven forbid, if the Green Party wins in September, this will mean the end of Germany as we know it. They already are talking about "Klima-Lockdowns" in Germany: shutdowns for environmental reasons! This is NOT a joke, as the German Constitutional Court in Karlshuhe has ruled that:

[QUOTE]The judges ruled that young people’s “fundamental rights to a human future” were threatened and that the law in its current state jeopardised their freedom because the goals set were too focused on dates too far in the future.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/29/historic-german-ruling-says-climate-goals-not-tough-enough[/URL]

It's a far swim across the Atlantic back to the USA for American FKK Lovers (fully vaccinated, no doubt, hahaha) who will suddenly find return flights cancelled and FKK clubs closed again because Germany locked down another time, this time to 'save the planet. ' The European radical left has tasted blood and lockdowns in combination with Covid-Ecological scaremongering are effective tools to implement their neo-Marxist world views through the backdoor.

[URL]https://www.die-gdi.de/en/the-current-column/article/from-covid-19-to-climate-action/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2560951]Sixsens opened yesterday but on a degraded mode.

Only three hours of presence for 50 euros.[/QUOTE]Wow. Do they allow you to spend another 3 hours if you pay up 50 more? Or do you have to exit, stand in the line again and pay 50 to get back in?

Unless you want to meet up w / a specific girl that you like very much it appears to me that you are better off paying some hooker outside the club, if you need a release that badly.

How is the 3 hour period monitored and enforced?

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2561696]I fully agree, but even IF Germans will vote differently, it will take many years to rebuild much of the nation and get Germany back to the economic foundation that FKK clubs are built upon.

Here (in German) are some videos from NDR German State TV highlighting the complete FUCK UP that Germany made of the Covid1984 situation. It's not just government bureaucracy, but also a total lack of customer service and local authorities that could not organize a binge drinking party in a brewery.

Local nonsense: [URL]https://youtu.be/L_z-YW5Io7g[/URL].

More local madness: [URL]https://youtu.be/ZOeGCVXAaHE[/URL].

Hamburger business owner going bankrupt, getting no financial assistance: [URL]https://youtu.be/V24C5mHPpuk[/URL].

Unable to get vaccinated + guy told on 17th Jan that he should have quarantined 3 weeks ago: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tpI9BHEA0[/URL].

Unable to get an appointment for vaccination + chaotic Covid rules: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKxccdNYLNU[/URL].

Police detectives working from home (taking criminal investigation dossiers home! But not allowed to print out anything at home: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HRol45GUBI[/URL].

The list goes on and on and on. You really couldn't make this shit up, even if you tried. LOL![/QUOTE]Well done.

An astute assessment on the current conditions.

Good resources of information and facts that back the sentiments in Germany.

Slightly on the negative side but good to know how a "segment of the population" lives in the current situation in German.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2561757]Wow. Do they allow you to spend another 3 hours if you pay up 50 more? Or do you have to exit, stand in the line again and pay 50 to get back in?

Unless you want to meet up w / a specific girl that you like very much it appears to me that you are better off paying some hooker outside the club, if you need a release that badly.

How is the 3 hour period monitored and enforced?[/QUOTE]If the max number of people allowed inside is not reached yes you can stay 3 hours more for 50 euros.

There is another rule, they divided the club in two zones, a green one and a red one. If you want to see a girl in the other zone you have to ask the reception to let you change.

For the monitoring, there are only 15 guests allowed in each time slot so it must be rather easy for them to keep track of who's inside.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2561412]Yes I agree Markel was Obsessive, but I hope with the fast vaccination rate and low cases and death in June, she will not be able to justify her decisions to close the economy, I hope everything will open is Summer including FKK.[/QUOTE]Merkel perfectly knows what is important for the German economy and people: brothels, FKK, Doner Kebab. Are not. First of all mostly are not controlled by German people, even the employees are not German, and contrary that what some are writing here, they can get corona support but they need also to declare their real revenues in the previous years, but all those business have a lot of cash payment and always try to escape the taxes.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2562088]If the max number of people allowed inside is not reached yes you can stay 3 hours more for 50 euros.

There is another rule, they divided the club in two zones, a green one and a red one. If you want to see a girl in the other zone you have to ask the reception to let you change.

For the monitoring, there are only 15 guests allowed in each time slot so it must be rather easy for them to keep track of who's inside.[/QUOTE]Thank you, that is really helpful. However, even with just 15 guests, they have to keep an intrusive eye on their guests or even potentially badger them "hey, your 3 hours are up" which I imagine would be very irritating to most guys.

On the other hand, must be great for the girls. Johns will be looking to make the most of their 3 hours and will be in a rush to get their sessions in and not negotiate too hard.

Until conditions / service / prices /#girls revert to pre-Covid normal levels, it is totally futile for any fly in tourist. I will be a slow follower when it comes to this, I guess.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2562094]Merkel perfectly knows what is important for the German economy and people: brothels, FKK, Doner Kebab. Are not. First of all mostly are not controlled by German people, even the employees are not German, and contrary that what some are writing here, they can get corona support but they need also to declare their real revenues in the previous years, but all those business have a lot of cash payment and always try to escape the taxes.[/QUOTE]FKKs play a very important role in German society. They prevent thousands of German men from becoming rapists and perverts which in turn makes those men more productive and hence more profitable for the German economy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2562485]FKKs play a very important role in German society. They prevent thousands of German men from becoming rapists and perverts which in turn makes those men more productive and hence more profitable for the German economy.[/QUOTE]A happy cow, is A productive cow.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2562088]There is another rule, they divided the club in two zones, a green one and a red one. If you want to see a girl in the other zone you have to ask the reception to let you change.

For the monitoring, there are only 15 guests allowed in each time slot so it must be rather easy for them to keep track of who's inside.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a lot of fun. / sarc.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2562094]Merkel perfectly knows what is important for the German economy and people: brothels, FKK, Doner Kebab. Are not. First of all mostly are not controlled by German people, even the employees are not German, and contrary that what some are writing here, they can get corona support but they need also to declare their real revenues in the previous years, but all those business have a lot of cash payment and always try to escape the taxes.[/QUOTE]Merkel has no clue, but her (and her party's even after she goes away) advantage is that the current bunch of German voters are even more clueless. Read this: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-economy-hit-harder-than-expected-by-covid-crisis/a-57650920[/URL].

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-coronavirus-incidence-hits-lowest-091525328.html[/URL]

((The coronavirus infection rate in Germany has fallen below 50 per 100,000 people for the first time since October, data showed on Wednesday, and the health minister said the country can have a summer of peace from the virus if it keeps pushing it down.)).

((Health Minister Jens Spahn told NTV television: One goal is clear: as many vaccinations as possible, as few infections as possible, until the end of June, then it will be a really good summer)).

((After a slow start compared to Britain and the United States, Germany's vaccination rollout is picking up speed. About 40% of the population of around 83 million people have received at least one dose and about 14% are fully vaccinated.)).

So there is Hope this Summer for FKK.

Anyone as antsy as I am and who are curious about Austria clubs instead as they appear to be opening soon? Have been to a club in Graz about 5 years ago. It was a decent time.

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2562775][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-coronavirus-incidence-hits-lowest-091525328.html[/URL]

((The coronavirus infection rate in Germany has fallen below 50 per 100,000 people for the first time since October, data showed on Wednesday, and the health minister said the country can have a summer of peace from the virus if it keeps pushing it down.)).

((Health Minister Jens Spahn told NTV television: One goal is clear: as many vaccinations as possible, as few infections as possible, until the end of June, then it will be a really good summer)).

((After a slow start compared to Britain and the United States, Germany's vaccination rollout is picking up speed. About 40% of the population of around 83 million people have received at least one dose and about 14% are fully vaccinated.)).

So there is Hope this Summer for FKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoTaWorry;2562889]Anyone as antsy as I am and who are curious about Austria clubs instead as they appear to be opening soon? Have been to a club in Graz about 5 years ago. It was a decent time.[/QUOTE]You might find what you're looking for in the Austrian forums.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?621-Vienna&p=2562434&viewfull=1#post2562434[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2562775]So there is Hope this Summer for FKK.[/QUOTE]I want to be wrong in my prediction, but I predict Merkel won't let Germany open. Read this: [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/health-minister-urges-caution-berlin-095926068.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2561696]I fully agree, but even IF Germans will vote differently, it will take many years to rebuild much of the nation and get Germany back to the economic foundation that FKK clubs are built upon.

Here (in German) are some videos from NDR German State TV highlighting the complete FUCK UP that Germany made of the Covid1984 situation. It's not just government bureaucracy, but also a total lack of customer service and local authorities that could not organize a binge drinking party in a brewery.

Local nonsense: [URL]https://youtu.be/L_z-YW5Io7g[/URL].

More local madness: [URL]https://youtu.be/ZOeGCVXAaHE[/URL].

Hamburger business owner going bankrupt, getting no financial assistance: [URL]https://youtu.be/V24C5mHPpuk[/URL].

Unable to get vaccinated + guy told on 17th Jan that he should have quarantined 3 weeks ago: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tpI9BHEA0[/URL].

Unable to get an appointment for vaccination + chaotic Covid rules: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKxccdNYLNU[/URL].

Police detectives working from home (taking criminal investigation dossiers home! But not allowed to print out anything at home: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HRol45GUBI[/URL].

The list goes on and on and on. You really couldn't make this shit up, even if you tried. LOL!

And yet people think that Germany is the country of the Autobahn, high tech, and where everything is super-organised!

Expect this chaos to continue, and heaven forbid, if the Green Party wins in September, this will mean the end of Germany as we know it. They already are talking about "Klima-Lockdowns" in Germany: shutdowns for environmental reasons! This is NOT a joke, as the German Constitutional Court in Karlshuhe has ruled that:

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/29/historic-german-ruling-says-climate-goals-not-tough-enough[/URL]

It's a far swim across the Atlantic back to the USA for American FKK Lovers (fully vaccinated, no doubt, hahaha) who will suddenly find return flights cancelled and FKK clubs closed again because Germany locked down another time, this time to 'save the planet. ' The European radical left has tasted blood and lockdowns in combination with Covid-Ecological scaremongering are effective tools to implement their neo-Marxist world views through the backdoor.

[URL]https://www.die-gdi.de/en/the-current-column/article/from-covid-19-to-climate-action/[/URL][/QUOTE]The Greens also advocate for sex as a human right, and believe that persons on disability should have access to prostitutes at the State's expense. So the situation is a bit more nuanced than the doom and gloom Klima scenario.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2562949]The Greens also advocate for sex as a human right, and believe that persons on disability should have access to prostitutes at the State's expense. So the situation is a bit more nuanced than the doom and gloom Klima scenario.[/QUOTE]Show us examples of this. For example, how 'liberal' are the Greens and socialists in Sweden towards prostitution? Or the Fins? Or the Norwegians?

You make the typical American mistake to think that P6 is a political issue, while in reality it's probably more of a cultural thing. If anything, the left-green political parties are usually in favour of shutting everything down, or 'regulating' and taxing any business so heavily that they go bankrupt. See my example of Belgium below.

There might be some individual cases of 'socialists burning Other People's Money' (OPM) by subsidising a disabled person getting laid by a WG, but generally speaking P6 has been around in Europe for hundreds of years, long before the Green-Socialist agenda was invented by Marx & Co. (Hint: the Schipperskwartier in Antwerpen, or the famous RLD in Amsterdam, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, etc).

The Greens and socialists have ruled Amsterdam for last few decades so YOU (with your limited life experience and world view) might think that they are responsible for P6, but reality is that they have been cracking down on P6 for years. Why would that be if they are so 'liberal' towards P6? Here are articles from 2008, 2019 and 2021.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world/europe/24amsterdam.html[/URL]

[URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/19/its-legal-to-sell-sex-in-amsterdam-but-dont-expect-the-same-rights-as-other-self-employed-workers-netherlands-legal-prostitution-sex-workers/[/URL]

[QUOTE]The famously permissive Dutch city is cracking down on prostitution, relocating sex workers, and discriminating against those employed in the industry.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/amsterdam-to-move-sex-workers-out-of-city-centre-in-tourism-reset[/URL]

In Amsterdam this is just the first step towards the Swedish model. The socialists got their votes from horny voters and 'progressives' in the past during the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's, but now the "me-too" and radical feminists are in control and dictate the agenda, and not just in the Green parties, but also in the CDU, SPD, FDP and VVD.

Look at all the Labour Party mayors of Amsterdam, and look at who is the current mayor of Amsterdam: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Amsterdam[/URL]#Early_20 th_century.

Why do you think YingYang has been closed in Roermond? Or LR in Kaarst? Hint: radical feminist female mayors!

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rianne_Donders-de_Leest[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaarst[/URL]#Politics.

Here is another example: in the French speaking part of Belgium, the P.S. (Parti Socialiste) has been in power for decades, yet P6 is very limited and sparse: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_[/URL](Belgium)#Walloon_Parliament.

No big RLD or sex club with a good international reputation can be found in the Walloon region. Why is Belgium's biggest RLD located in the Dutch-Flemish speaking part of Belgium? Could it be because culturally speaking, the Flemish are much closer to the Dutch, and the Walloons much closer to the French? Why is GT in Brüggen full of French and Belgiums and even Luxemburgers?

Please save us your socialist propaganda, and stick to being the dumb uninformed American with his J&J jabs!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2562949]
The Greens also advocate for sex as a human right, and believe that persons on disability should have access to prostitutes at the State's expense. So the situation is a bit more nuanced than the doom and gloom Klima scenario.[/QUOTE]

Everyone needs to respect the human right. But nowadays people, politicians are using this word for personal or political gains.

Disabled people shall have the right to have sex with whoever agree to have sex with them. Disabled people like anyone else should have access to prostitute in the country where prositution is legal. But this has always been the case, is it not.

Suggesting the right to have sex with prostitutes using the taxpayer's money, is abusing the privilege of human right.

Politicians such as politicians from Green party are using this for political advantage to win more vote from particular society society. Where are they when the Femisist ambushed the FKKs filming the FKK visitors shaming the visitors by put the picture in the news. Where are they ? Keep in mind FKK is legal in Germany.

Everything is now a human right, nowadays. Does someone cease to exist if they are denied access to prostitute.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2563092]Show us examples of this. For example, how 'liberal' are the Greens and socialists in Sweden towards prostitution? Or the Fins? Or the Norwegians?

You make the typical American mistake to think that P6 is a political issue, while in reality it's probably more of a cultural thing. If anything, the left-green political parties are usually in favour of shutting everything down, or 'regulating' and taxing any business so heavily that they go bankrupt. See my example of Belgium below.

There might be some individual cases of 'socialists burning Other People's Money' (OPM) by subsidising a disabled person getting laid by a WG, but generally speaking P6 has been around in Europe for hundreds of years, long before the Green-Socialist agenda was invented by Marx & Co. (Hint: the Schipperskwartier in Antwerpen, or the famous RLD in Amsterdam, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, etc).

The Greens and socialists have ruled Amsterdam for last few decades so YOU (with your limited life experience and world view) might think that they are responsible for P6, but reality is that they have been cracking down on P6 for years. Why would that be if they are so 'liberal' towards P6? Here are articles from 2008, 2019 and 2021.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world/europe/24amsterdam.html[/URL]

[URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/19/its-legal-to-sell-sex-in-amsterdam-but-dont-expect-the-same-rights-as-other-self-employed-workers-netherlands-legal-prostitution-sex-workers/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/amsterdam-to-move-sex-workers-out-of-city-centre-in-tourism-reset[/URL].[/QUOTE]Oh you don't know that Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Finland and Norway are different countries? I'm so sorry for you!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2563139]Everyone needs to respect the human right. But nowadays people, politicians are using this word for personal or political gains.

Disabled people shall have the right to have sex with whoever agree to have sex with them. Disabled people like anyone else should have access to prostitute in the country where prositution is legal. But this has always been the case, is it not.

Suggesting the right to have sex with prostitutes using the taxpayer's money, is abusing the privilege of human right.

Politicians such as politicians from Green party are using this for political advantage to win more vote from particular society society. Where are they when the Femisist ambushed the FKKs filming the FKK visitors shaming the visitors by put the picture in the news. Where are they ? Keep in mind FKK is legal in Germany.

Everything is now a human right, nowadays. Does someone cease to exist if they are denied access to prostitute.[/QUOTE]The German Green simply proposed some years ago that a prostitute visit should be claimed back as a medical expense for people with certain disabilities. Chill out!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2563139]Politicians such as politicians from Green party are using this for political advantage to win more vote from particular society society. Where are they when the Femisist ambushed the FKKs filming the FKK visitors shaming the visitors by put the picture in the news. Where are they ? Keep in mind FKK is legal in Germany.[/QUOTE]Did you expect that a Green candidate would stalk a group of feminists and, as soon as these started a protest in front of a FKK, he would then tackle them to the ground and have them arrested? If you want that type of society, I'd suggest you to move to North Korea.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2563092]Show us examples of this. For example, how 'liberal' are the Greens and socialists in Sweden towards prostitution? Or the Fins? Or the Norwegians?

You make the typical American mistake to think that P6 is a political issue, while in reality it's probably more of a cultural thing. If anything, the left-green political parties are usually in favour of shutting everything down, or 'regulating' and taxing any business so heavily that they go bankrupt. See my example of Belgium below.

There might be some individual cases of 'socialists burning Other People's Money' (OPM) by subsidising a disabled person getting laid by a WG, but generally speaking P6 has been around in Europe for hundreds of years, long before the Green-Socialist agenda was invented by Marx & Co. (Hint: the Schipperskwartier in Antwerpen, or the famous RLD in Amsterdam, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, etc).

The Greens and socialists have ruled Amsterdam for last few decades so YOU (with your limited life experience and world view) might think that they are responsible for P6, but reality is that they have been cracking down on P6 for years. Why would that be if they are so 'liberal' towards P6? Here are articles from 2008, 2019 and 2021.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world/europe/24amsterdam.html[/URL]

[URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/19/its-legal-to-sell-sex-in-amsterdam-but-dont-expect-the-same-rights-as-other-self-employed-workers-netherlands-legal-prostitution-sex-workers/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/amsterdam-to-move-sex-workers-out-of-city-centre-in-tourism-reset[/URL]

In Amsterdam this is just the first step towards the Swedish model. The socialists got their votes from horny voters and 'progressives' in the past during the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's, but now the "me-too" and radical feminists are in control and dictate the agenda, and not just in the Green parties, but also in the CDU, SPD, FDP and VVD.

Look at all the Labour Party mayors of Amsterdam, and look at who is the current mayor of Amsterdam: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Amsterdam[/URL]#Early_20 th_century.

Why do you think YingYang has been closed in Roermond? Or LR in Kaarst? Hint: radical feminist female mayors!

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rianne_Donders-de_Leest[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaarst[/URL]#Politics.

Here is another example: in the French speaking part of Belgium, the P.S. (Parti Socialiste) has been in power for decades, yet P6 is very limited and sparse: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_[/URL](Belgium)#Walloon_Parliament.

No big RLD or sex club with a good international reputation can be found in the Walloon region. Why is Belgium's biggest RLD located in the Dutch-Flemish speaking part of Belgium? Could it be because culturally speaking, the Flemish are much closer to the Dutch, and the Walloons much closer to the French? Why is GT in Brggen full of French and Belgiums and even Luxemburgers?

Please save us your socialist propaganda, and stick to being the dumb uninformed American with his J&J jabs![/QUOTE]I might be "dumb" but at least I understand what "nuanced" means. Maybe you can google it. Yes, I make plenty of mistakes in life. There is no shame in making mistakes unless you fail to learn from them. And as for the hateful anti-American rhetoric, that just makes you look small my friend. We might have been late to the party, but we saved your sorry asses all the same. From both of my grandfathers who bled for you Euros, Cheers!

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2157873]Sally speaks German but has Turkish roots, a Turkish passport. An elegant looking beautiful woman. With regards to your "noble knight phantasies": it is her business, she really don't need you to help her, she knows how to help herself![/QUOTE]In Norway all the right wing parties are for legalizing it fully, even buying and not just selling (they even have it stated in the election program. But they had the same 4 years ago, and nothing happened even if they won the election. The greens are a left wing party and everything I can find relates to it is that the females of the green party are against legalizing it. The socialist party have always been handing out condoms to everyone, but both the socialists and the labor party on the left side are against prostitution. (because the voters cannot afford it?

So the divide is quite clear here. Yes and no on the political right-left axis.

But ideologically all the liberal parties should be for prostitution. Even the greens. But I suspect the greens have a lot of poor voters. And they cannot afford p6, or are afraid of their husband going to one. So they ditch the official liberal stance for selfish reasons.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2563362]I might be "dumb" but at least I understand what "nuanced" means. Maybe you can google it. Yes, I make plenty of mistakes in life. There is no shame in making mistakes unless you fail to learn from them. And as for the hateful anti-American rhetoric, that just makes you look small my friend. We might have been late to the party, but we saved your sorry asses all the same. From both of my grandfathers who bled for you Euros, Cheers![/QUOTE]I don't think HammerTime is saying all Americans are "dumb"; he's just pointing out the "dumb" ones who support failed "socialist propaganda", that's all. I am an American, and I agree with him. Do you?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2563289]Did you expect that a Green candidate would stalk a group of feminists and, as soon as these started a protest in front of a FKK, he would then tackle them to the ground and have them arrested? If you want that type of society, I'd suggest you to move to North Korea.[/QUOTE]Sounds more like you're the one who should move to North Korea if you think it's alright to act as the crazy feminazis did. You're such a tool. The feminazis were the ones harassing a legal business and it's customers, not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2158068]Some guys prefer companionship, some pay big money for this for hours, at LR. Some pay to sleep in room, or to drink and smoke, or to chat, to gossip, in couch or in room. Some prefer to massage girls rather than fucking. We are all different, we look for different services with girls.

As I always said to my past LR weekly regular: I don't pay for time out of room, she always answered: Do I ask you something for this? Liar but very honest about money, Romanian asking not to go with other girls after our fourth room, on our second day.[/QUOTE]

Some here I do not pay for the time outside the hours in the room, if I want to pay more I will normally take extra services for an extra fees. This is not because I could not effort to pay for it I just do not want to give a bad precedent for my other fellow mongers.

What a person do is his personal business, but keep in mind your action will affect other visitors and soon become an expectation. Tipping might be common in the country like in the US as the people like waitress are getting a very low wage and expect to top up their salaries with tips. But in Europe every worker even those who are doing menial jobs, get the same minimum wage.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2563289]Did you expect that a Green candidate would stalk a group of feminists and, as soon as these started a protest in front of a FKK, he would then tackle them to the ground and have them arrested? If you want that type of society, I'd suggest you to move to North Korea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2563400]Sounds more like you're the one who should move to North Korea if you think it's alright to act as the crazy feminazis did. You're such a tool. The feminazis were the ones harassing a legal business and it's customers, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]

Is it the way the green or other politicians do their moves? Have you ever seen the smart politicians do in that way??

Anyone sensible will know that Politicians are smart people and will raise the issue in smarter ways to get a better impact with less efforts.

What they will normally do is to keep the issue to become afloat and become a public awareness, so more people will subscribe to their policy for their own or party advantage. They will get more political gain hoping people voting for them. They then try to push it to become a law.

Like ShooBree you are the one who should move to North Korea if you think it is ok to do like what Feminists have been doing to destroy the FKK business and demonising those who visited the FKKs. Also, it is not the duty of politicians to ambush the protesters, push them to the ground and arrest people. It is the police duty. Do that in any civilised nation, you are the person who will get arrested or get sued.

Again keep in mind FKK and visiting FKK is legal in Germany.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2563461]Is it the way the green or other politicians do their moves? Have you ever seen the smart politicians do in that way??

Anyone sensible will know that Politicians are smart people and will raise the issue in smarter ways to get a better impact with less efforts.

What they will normally do is to keep the issue to become afloat and become a public awareness, so more people will subscribe to their policy for their own or party advantage. They will get more political gain hoping people voting for them. They then try to push it to become a law.

Like ShooBree you are the one who should move to North Korea if you think it is ok to do like what Feminists have been doing to destroy the FKK business and demonising those who visited the FKKs. Also, it is not the duty of politicians to ambush the protesters, push them to the ground and arrest people. It is the police duty. Do that in any civilised nation, you are the person who will get arrested or get sued.

Again keep in mind FKK and visiting FKK is legal in Germany.[/QUOTE]Also firing people and closing a factory is permitted by law, but you would never think that it is not right for people to protest against these actions. I feel we have similar views on the legality of FKK, but we differ in what you ad I expect politicians to do when people protest.

But in Europe every worker even those who are doing menial jobs, get the same minimum wage.

If you want to hire a butcher, a cook, a electrician,. If you only pay minimum wages you will not get very skilled one. You will be surprised about the salaries of many manual jobs in places like France, Germany.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2563385]But ideologically all the liberal parties should be for prostitution. Even the greens. But I suspect the greens have a lot of poor voters. And they cannot afford p6, or are afraid of their husband going to one. So they ditch the official liberal stance for selfish reasons.[/QUOTE]I don't know / understand the politics of Europe; but in the US, prostitution legalization is not an issue that plays to either right or left base. As such, no one is for it. It is just a question of who is against it the more. Politicians are in the business of gaining power; it is a career, it is a business. If I were a politician I too would do and say things that will get me elected and keep me elected (just as I would do and say things to maximize my income in any other profession). Being pro-prostitution legalization is not a vote maximization stance for either the left or the right.

Prostitution is an unsavory business, face it. Even on this forum, few people want to know all the details of how 18 year old girls magically appear naked in front of them at a fuck club. It is like meat. Few want to see the blood and gore at the butcher shop but would enjoy that fine meal at the restaurant. Very few men even on this forum would want to see someone from their family or friends circle become a prostitute. They might tolerate them, but almost no one would encourage their near and loved ones to become prostitutes nor wishes that they would grow up to become successful prostitutes in life.

It will always remain a local issue. Why should it become a national issue? Perhaps as a blanket ban or removal of such ban, as a matter of constitution of that nation. Once that principle is settled, much like abortion, the availability of prostitution and zoning, permits, enforcement, extent of prosecution, LE looking the other way etc. Are all local issues. And personally, I haven't see much correlation between prostitution and local politics. In NV, it has been legal and that is a state which is generally down the center: sometimes goes left, sometimes right. Regardless of how the politics of that state have changed, it has remained legal. In states that have swung from one side of politics to the other in the course of 3 to 4 decades, I have not seen a change in the legal status of prostitution either.

People on this forum like to fight and claim their side (left or right) is more in favor of prostitution, but the reality is that these mongers are not representative of their party's stance on this issue. None of their party stalwarts will ever articulate an election campaign around the "winning issue of legalizing prostitution". It is a fringe issue for most of the society and a hot button issue for some small sub-sections on both far left and far right.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2563396]I don't think HammerTime is saying all Americans are "dumb"; he's just pointing out the "dumb" ones who support failed "socialist propaganda", that's all. I am an American, and I agree with him. Do you?[/QUOTE]I try to be a kind and tolerant person. Sometimes I might fall short, but I do aspire to be open minded and tolerant. But I am not WOKE by any stretch of the imagination. That philosophy is too negative and small-minded, something just shy of book-burning. A true liberal strives for progressive thought while also respecting the history and achievements of his forbears. American politics has become too nasty and strident. Best to be apolitical, make bank, and rack up those frequent flier points. Cheers to all.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2563476]But in Europe every worker even those who are doing menial jobs, get the same minimum wage.

If you want to hire a butcher, a cook, a electrician,. If you only pay minimum wages you will not get very skilled one. You will be surprised about the salaries of many manual jobs in places like France, Germany.[/QUOTE]Some manual jobs make more money than working in office on computer close to heater, but these jobs are much more difficult, risky, can be in the cold, under rain, under high heat, exhausting health. When I started to work, some manual workers earned more than me when I ordered them, even I started with around French couple average salary in 2000's. I couldn't achieve my job without them who are mostly foreigners and I won't be able to do their job, I'm just better than them for cleaning.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2563571].... Best to be apolitical, make bank, and rack up those frequent flier points. Cheers to all.[/QUOTE]Being apolitical means allowing politicians to do whatever they want. Politicians control the taxes you pay. If all politicians had the interest of the people at heart then being apolitical would be okay.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2563506]I don't know / understand the politics of Europe; but in the US, prostitution legalization is not an issue that plays to either right or left base. As such, no one is for it. It is just a question of who is against it the more. [/QUOTE]I have visited USA a few times. The deepest parts. And my impression that it is still a generation or two behind Europe when it comes to giving the middle finger to religion. And the brainwashing that comes from religion is what makes prostitution illegal in USA.

Have Sharks reopened? Look like that on the website.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2564583]Have Sharks reopened? Look like that on the website.[/QUOTE]Not yet, if you click on the Home on the website you can still see the closure notice. They will probably announce the reopening well in advance and the news would spread like wildfire here!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2564587]Not yet, if you click on the Home on the website you can still see the closure notice. They will probably announce the reopening well in advance and the news would spread like wildfire here![/QUOTE]Yes probably they will open but with which LU, if it the same as in the last years, many thanks but it is not for me.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2564769]Yes probably they will open but with which LU, if it the same as in the last years, many thanks but it is not for me.[/QUOTE]There are enough reports of dozens of former sharks girls (literally dozens) still working privately in the area. Some of the higher tier Sharks girls are even still there. Guessing the club can open with 50+ girls easy.

Whether new girls arrive, who can say with any confidence?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2564899]There are enough reports of dozens of former sharks girls (literally dozens) still working privately in the area. Some of the higher tier Sharks girls are even still there. Guessing the club can open with 50+ girls easy.

Whether new girls arrive, who can say with any confidence?[/QUOTE]Girls returned to the Austrian clubs quite fast. So I doubt it is much of an issue. Only problem I read about was that a few girls had been lost to Dubai. Wonder how Dubai works these days with covid restrictions and if they have taken much of a hit there.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2565345]Girls returned to the Austrian clubs quite fast. So I doubt it is much of an issue. Only problem I read about was that a few girls had been lost to Dubai. Wonder how Dubai works these days with covid restrictions and if they have taken much of a hit there.[/QUOTE]Like Elen escorting in Dubai, but Asians hunting at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2565345]Girls returned to the Austrian clubs quite fast. So I doubt it is much of an issue. Only problem I read about was that a few girls had been lost to Dubai. Wonder how Dubai works these days with covid restrictions and if they have taken much of a hit there.[/QUOTE]Girls working in Dubai, is definitely a no go for me. I remember a first appointment with a escort in Frankfurt, as always it had take place in the bar from the hotel and already agreed if I am not ok I just will pay her the taxi. The girl arrived and told me that she prefers to work in Dubai, I told her that I don t go with girl working in Dubai and that I will pay her the taxi, she started to be aggressive and I told her there is no problem we will call the police and that I have a copy of the the mails. Of course it is an issue because there will be only the veteran girls around.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2565568]Girls working in Dubai, is definitely a no go for me. I remember a first appointment with a escort in Frankfurt, as always it had take place in the bar from the hotel and already agreed if I am not ok I just will pay her the taxi. The girl arrived and told me that she prefers to work in Dubai, I told her that I don t go with girl working in Dubai and that I will pay her the taxi, she started to be aggressive and I told her there is no problem we will call the police and that I have a copy of the the mails. Of course it is an issue because there will be only the veteran girls around.[/QUOTE]That's a weird rule not going with a girl that worked in Dubai hahaha.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2565568]Girls working in Dubai, is definitely a no go for me. I remember a first appointment with a escort in Frankfurt, as always it had take place in the bar from the hotel and already agreed if I am not ok I just will pay her the taxi. The girl arrived and told me that she prefers to work in Dubai, I told her that I don t go with girl working in Dubai and that I will pay her the taxi, she started to be aggressive and I told her there is no problem we will call the police and that I have a copy of the the mails. Of course it is an issue because there will be only the veteran girls around.[/QUOTE]The most important thing is always to believe what the hookers tell. How are the guys called who are screaming for the police, 38 ers or 81 ers?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2565568]Girls working in Dubai, is definitely a no go for me. I remember a first appointment with a escort in Frankfurt, as always it had take place in the bar from the hotel and already agreed if I am not ok I just will pay her the taxi. The girl arrived and told me that she prefers to work in Dubai, I told her that I don t go with girl working in Dubai and that I will pay her the taxi, she started to be aggressive and I told her there is no problem we will call the police and that I have a copy of the the mails. Of course it is an issue because there will be only the veteran girls around.[/QUOTE]Why calling polizei? You just don t go and don t pay, why do You need to call police? Same like guys who go to cry on desk at Bruggen, when they should better look in mirror. Even being paid, but some girls are not able to accept everything, like kissing bad breathe ugly.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2565568]Girls working in Dubai, is definitely a no go for me. I remember a first appointment with a escort in Frankfurt, as always it had take place in the bar from the hotel and already agreed if I am not ok I just will pay her the taxi. The girl arrived and told me that she prefers to work in Dubai, I told her that I don t go with girl working in Dubai and that I will pay her the taxi, she started to be aggressive and I told her there is no problem we will call the police and that I have a copy of the the mails. Of course it is an issue because there will be only the veteran girls around.[/QUOTE]I think Helen (RO) told me a couple of years ago that she tried or was thinking about trying Dubai.

Anyway, P6 is borderless, so why you would refuse a girl that has worked in Dubai is beyond me. Is Qatar okay for you? The US? The UK? Italy? China? Singapore?

Sounds as if you had a bad experience in Dubai, but veterans, up-sellers and gold-diggers can be found everywhere.

Totally agree. Every girl could have worked in Dubai. (even so if they say "no" So then this rules out every girl. Duh.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2565625]That's a weird rule not going with a girl that worked in Dubai hahaha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2565950]I think Helen (RO) told me a couple of years ago that she tried or was thinking about trying Dubai.

Anyway, P6 is borderless, so why you would refuse a girl that has worked in Dubai is beyond me. Is Qatar okay for you? The US? The UK? Italy? China? Singapore?

Sounds as if you had a bad experience in Dubai, but veterans, up-sellers and gold-diggers can be found everywhere.[/QUOTE]I am looking for fresh, and natural beauties, each time I met escorts or FKK girls who travelled a lot there were all far too pro for me. I know quite well China, I don't recommend to monger in China if you are used to the habits there, it can become very expensive.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2565786]Why calling polizei? You just don t go and don t pay, why do You need to call police? Same like guys who go to cry on desk at Bruggen, when they should better look in mirror. Even being paid, but some girls are not able to accept everything, like kissing bad breathe ugly.[/QUOTE]The girl was very aggressive, to make her calm down I treated her to call the police, after I gave her 20 euro for the taxi and told the reception not to let her go to my room.

[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2565655]The most important thing is always to believe what the hookers tell. How are the guys called who are screaming for the police, 38 ers or 81 ers?[/QUOTE]Sorry in Germany you are doing nothing illegal when you book a escort, we already agreed before that if I am not ok with her we will not go to the room and I will pay her the taxi. That was the contract. I am 60+ never had any problem with any police officer in my life, I respect them and they are here to help me in case of troubles, I will not fight with a hooker who is not willing to follow our agreement specially when she starts to become loud and aggressive it is the job of the police.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2565625]That's a weird rule not going with a girl that worked in Dubai hahaha.[/QUOTE]I am the customer I can decide the rules I want, and the girl can refuse to meet me. So many girls refuse to meet in the lobby or to accept just to get the money for the taxi if we don t go to the room, but the girls who accept are the most pretty one, and even the best escort will not go to the room before meeting you in the lobby or getting pictures from you. They are not desperate, they can choose their customer, so do I with the girls.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2565950]I think Helen (RO) told me a couple of years ago that she tried or was thinking about trying Dubai.

Anyway, P6 is borderless, so why you would refuse a girl that has worked in Dubai is beyond me. Is Qatar okay for you? The US? The UK? Italy? China? Singapore?

Sounds as if you had a bad experience in Dubai, but veterans, up-sellers and gold-diggers can be found everywhere.[/QUOTE]Evita claimed to come from UK escorting when she started at Sharks on January 2015. Same like Elen for Asian hunting.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2566032]The girl was very aggressive, to make her calm down I treated her to call the police, after I gave her 20 euro for the taxi and told the reception not to let her go to my room.[/QUOTE]So you asked your hotel desk not to let a prostitute following you? And wanted also to call polizei? You were so afraid of a real dragon? You should stop this business if you are so afraid of girls, like you seem about diseases. Risky business, but easier to win than in casino, when you are able to make the job to get what you enjoy.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2566031]I am looking for fresh, and natural beauties, each time I met escorts or FKK girls who travelled a lot there were all far too pro for me.[/QUOTE]The irony is that you post this in the FKK thread, and even the Sharks thread, which is one of the biggest fuck factories in FKK-land. LOL!

IMHO you'll never find a "fresh" girl in the P4 Sex business, unless your definition of "fresh" is "young, dumb, and naive."

I totally disagree with Sirioja's point about:

[QUOTE]"Same like guys who go to cry on desk at Bruggen, when they should better look in mirror. Even being paid, but some girls are not able to accept everything, like kissing bad breathe ugly." [/QUOTE]A girl can know all these variables before agreeing to go to a room with a guy, and I respect your decision to complain and refusing to pay for a refusal of service, although calling the police is perhaps a bit drastic IMHO. Too many idiots accept all up-selling and rip-off tactics from a WG and will pay regardless of how lousy the service was, but then again, these same spineless idiots are probably now lining up for "vaccines" and "vaccine passports."

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2566113]The irony is that you post this in the FKK thread, and even the Sharks thread, which is one of the biggest fuck factories in FKK-land. LOL!

IMHO you'll never find a "fresh" girl in the P4 Sex business.............[/QUOTE]I have mongered all over the world and my experience is that in FKK you can get hot stunners but not fresh girls. Those hot beauties have been around if you know what I mean. The best place for fresh girls is South East Asia where you can even get legal age virgins but you will have to pay more for them. Although it is rare it is still possible to get fresh girls in Latin America. I am yet to get a fresh girl in FKK; young yes, but have been quite sexually active.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2566113]The irony is that you post this in the FKK thread, and even the Sharks thread, which is one of the biggest fuck factories in FKK-land. LOL!

IMHO you'll never find a "fresh" girl in the P4 Sex business, unless your definition of "fresh" is "young, dumb, and naive."

I totally disagree with Sirioja's point about:

A girl can know all these variables before agreeing to go to a room with a guy, and I respect your decision to complain and refusing to pay for a refusal of service, although calling the police is perhaps a bit drastic IMHO. Too many idiots accept all up-selling and rip-off tactics from a WG and will pay regardless of how lousy the service was, but then again, these same spineless idiots are probably now lining up for "vaccines" and "vaccine passports."[/QUOTE]For sure I must be one of those idiot, just because I never negotiate something before going to the room, I don t care about service I only care about beauty which can not be fake, all the rest is cheating, fake. I don t understand the link with the vaccine but I don t believe in their efficiency and I will do it if not having it will but my daily life in trouble.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2566090]So you asked your hotel desk not to let a prostitute following you? And wanted also to call polizei? You were so afraid of a real dragon? You should stop this business if you are so afraid of girls, like you seem about diseases. Risky business, but easier to win than in casino, when you are able to make the job to get what you enjoy.[/QUOTE]I am not afraid at all, but I hate to argue with aggressive people specially with a girl who only skill is to open wide her different holes. I always go to this 5 stars hotel in Frankfurt and the receptionist was very happy to ask the guy from the security to make her leave the place. Each time when I meet again the 2 guys we are laughing about that. I don't agree it is not risky at all, it is legal in Germany.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2566185]I am not afraid at all, but I hate to argue with aggressive people specially with a girl who only skill is to open wide her different holes. I always go to this 5 stars hotel in Frankfurt and the receptionist was very happy to ask the guy from the security to make her leave the place. Each time when I meet again the 2 guys we are laughing about that. I don't agree it is not risky at all, it is legal in Germany.[/QUOTE]Refusing a girl because she worked in Dubai, is like refusing a girl because she is wearing something red, and you don't like red lololo.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2566220]Refusing a girl because she worked in Dubai, is like refusing a girl because she is wearing something red, and you don't like red lololo.[/QUOTE]Sorry I am the customer, I am paying and it was already agreed before, she never told me she worked in Dubai or I had refused to meet her. Why should I do things I don't like during by free time.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2566220]Refusing a girl because she worked in Dubai, is like refusing a girl because she is wearing something red, and you don't like red lololo.[/QUOTE]That's very rude and disrespectful to make a woman come to your hotel and to refuse her for such a futile motive, especially if you didn't ask her before.

What's the latest? Is Sharks open? My balls are blue and going to bust!

Funman13.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2568040]What's the latest? Is Sharks open?

Funman13.[/QUOTE]No, that will take a little longer. Sharks is in Hessen. The current legislation in Hessen won't allow them to open no matter how low the corona numbers drop.

We have to wait for the parliament to change that or for the clubs to successfully sue against it.

Last year Hessen was one of only two (out of 16) Germany country's that kept the clubs closed the entire year.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2568040]What's the latest? Is Sharks open? My balls are blue and going to bust!

Funman13.[/QUOTE]Darmstadt kreis is in their 4th day with an incidence of under 35 cases /100,000 and they need 7 consecutive days before they can be allowed to re-open. If they are still forbidden to re-open after the 7-day goal, then I would expect a storm of lawsuits forcing authorities to give the permission to reopen. This has already happened in lower Saxony (I think), where the judges have just allowed reopening with an even higher incidence than Darmstadt. I don't want to be overly optimistic, but in 3-4 weeks we may see a radically different situation.

[QUOTE=Thrymiir;2568071]No, that will take a little longer. Sharks is in Hessen. The current legislation in Hessen won't allow them to open no matter how low the corona numbers drop.

We have to wait for the parliament to change that or for the clubs to successfully sue against it.

Last year Hessen was one of only two (out of 16) Germany country's that kept the clubs closed the entire year.[/QUOTE]On end of September after elections?

Sigh, according to the State Department, US citizens still cannot enter Germany. However, we are allowed to enter Spain. I guess "Barcelona here I come!

Funman13.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2568578]Sigh, according to the State Department, US citizens still cannot enter Germany. However, we are allowed to enter Spain. I guess "Barcelona here I come!

Funman13.[/QUOTE]UK and India are under 15 days quarantine in Germany and France, but I didn't hear about US who can enter with negative test. Even European but I also need negative test to go to my beloved Italy, or to Spain, Germany, NL, Austria, maybe also for Switzerland. I don t know if US forbid their citizens to travel abroad, but they are not forbidden in EU.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2568682]UK and India are under 15 days quarantine in Germany and France, but I didn't hear about US who can enter with negative test. Even European but I also need negative test to go to my beloved Italy, or to Spain, Germany, NL, Austria, maybe also for Switzerland. I don t know if US forbid their citizens to travel abroad, but they are not forbidden in EU.[/QUOTE]Who will control you? I am travelling through Europe every week by car and was never controlled at any boarder. I have done my first test this week just to visit a relative in the hospital but even there nobody asked me something.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2568799]Who will control you? I am travelling through Europe every week by car and was never controlled at any boarder. I have done my first test this week just to visit a relative in the hospital but even there nobody asked me something.[/QUOTE]Samya seem to control.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2568799]Who will control you? I am travelling through Europe every week by car and was never controlled at any boarder. I have done my first test this week just to visit a relative in the hospital but even there nobody asked me something.[/QUOTE]Do you think US citizen now can enter Spain then travel to Germany through air / land without test / quarantine? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;2570037]Do you think US citizen now can enter Spain then travel to Germany through air / land without test / quarantine? Thanks.[/QUOTE]By car for sure just because you can take another border in case of problems. Concerning the plane I think there is no problem too but you never know now it seems that the Indian variant is increasing every where in Europe and could be a new point of concern.

[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;2570037]Do you think US citizen now can enter Spain then travel to Germany through air / land without test / quarantine? Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you read the German entry requirements it's all about where you've been in the last 10 days there is nothing I can see about a certain nationality being banned.

Every German club that has reopened so far says you need a negative test for entry in the last 24 hours or being full vaccinated. In the case of the later it isn't clear to me what proof they will accept.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2570279]If you read the German entry requirements it's all about where you've been in the last 10 days there is nothing I can see about a certain nationality being banned.

Every German club that has reopened so far says you need a negative test for entry in the last 24 hours or being full vaccinated. In the case of the later it isn't clear to me what proof they will accept.[/QUOTE]

Every region (Bundesland) has its own rules, until now only clubs in NRW did re-open under the condition that visitors and girls are either Tested (PCR or antigen), Cured (also proof required) and vaccinated (once by Janssen or twice for the other, using digital app, paper vaccin registration or "classic" WHO-approved yellow vaccin booklet as proof).

Per Kreis / area the 7-day incident rate has to be below 35/100 K to be able to re-open anyway.

Now also Ba-Wu starts to re-open (e. G. Sakura next Wednesday), Hessen and other regions (Bundeslnders) will be later, as always.

[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;2570037]Do you think US citizen now can enter Spain then travel to Germany through air / land without test / quarantine? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, but it is a long drive, better to take long train. Then you can drink beer and have a sleep.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2570314]
Per Kreis / area the 7-day incident rate has to be below 35/100 K to be able to re-open anyway.
[/QUOTE]Check the Bob Cock (Robert Koch Institute) dashboard:

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/[/URL]

Then look at the "7-Tage-Inzidenz" at the top of the page. Today it says 10.3 (Bundesweit), well below the 35 required to keep things open.

If you want to know the local score, click at the top, change from Bundesländer, to Landeskreis, then zoom around the map and see the 7-Day-Incidence for that local area.

[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;2570037]Do you think US citizen now can enter Spain then travel to Germany through air / land without test / quarantine? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can enter directly now. But still need a test. Testing seems easier than routing through Spain.

[URL]https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/germany-permits-non-vaccinated-americans-albanians-more-third-country-citizens-to-enter-for-tourism-from-sunday/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;2570037]Do you think US citizen now can enter Spain then travel to Germany through air / land without test / quarantine? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can enter directly now. But still need a test. Testing seems easier than routing through Spain. You have to test to get back in the States anyway.

[URL]https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/germany-permits-non-vaccinated-americans-albanians-more-third-country-citizens-to-enter-for-tourism-from-sunday/[/URL]

I saw this from [URL]www.Germany.info[/URL].

Does it mean that us citizen can fly in (fully vaccinated) without any PRC test?

"Requirements For Entry Via Air Travel.

All air travelers six years and older who are entering the Federal Republic of Germany must either show that they are fully vaccinated or fully recovered or have tested negative prior to departure.

Travelers who received all the required doses of a COVID-19 vaccine cited on the website of the Paul Ehrlich Institute are considered fully vaccinated. It must be at least 14 days since the last vaccine dose was administered. On entry, travelers must have proof of vaccination in written (E. G. CDC card) or digital form (a cellphone photo is not sufficient). Vaccinated travelers must additionally show no relevant symptoms.

Travelers who can prove they were previously infected with COVID through a positive PCR test, taken at least 28 days but no more than six months prior, and who show no relevant symptoms are considered to be fully recovered.

Travelers who are neither fully vaccinated nor fully recovered must continue to present a negative COVID test prior to departure. Both PCR tests and rapid antigen tests are accepted. A list of approved rapid antigen tests that meet the requirements of the Robert Koch Institute for entry can be found here. The PCR test must be taken no more than 72 hours prior to entering Germany; the rapid antigen test, no more than 48 hours.

Transit travelers with a destination outside the Schengen area who do not leave the international transit area of the airport do not need to present a negative test prior to departure.

United States No Longer Risk Area.

As of Sunday, June 13,2021, the United States is no longer categorized as a risk area according to the Robert Koch Institute. Thus, travelers are no longer required to register digitally for entry or quarantine on arrival in Germany."

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2570415]I saw this from [URL]www.Germany.info[/URL].

Does it mean that us citizen can fly in (fully vaccinated) without any PRC test?

"Requirements For Entry Via Air Travel.[/QUOTE]Sure sounds like it.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2570415]Does it mean US citizen can fly in normally like before covid?[/QUOTE]Not yet: [URL]https://de.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/[/URL].

Entry and Exit Requirements:

Are USA Citizens permitted to enter? No (with a few exceptions, see below).

Germany will currently only allow EU citizens, EU residents, and residents of certain other specific countries to enter. The United States is not one of those countries. USA Citizens traveling to Germany from the United States will not be permitted to enter unless they meet one of only a few narrow exceptions.

However this is likely to change on June 20!

[URL]https://thepointsguy.com/news/germany-reopens-to-americans/[/URL]

The German government confirmed on Friday, June 18 that Americans will be welcomed as of June 20,2021.

I keep my fingers crossed.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2570510]Not yet: [URL]https://de.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/[/URL].

Entry and Exit Requirements:

Are USA Citizens permitted to enter? No (with a few exceptions, see below).

Germany will currently only allow EU citizens, EU residents, and residents of certain other specific countries to enter. The United States is not one of those countries. USA Citizens traveling to Germany from the United States will not be permitted to enter unless they meet one of only a few narrow exceptions.

However this is likely to change on June 20!

[URL]https://thepointsguy.com/news/germany-reopens-to-americans/[/URL]

The German government confirmed on Friday, June 18 that Americans will be welcomed as of June 20,2021.

I keep my fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]20 June is literally tomorrow, LOL.

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;2570392]Check the Bob Cock (Robert Koch Institute) dashboard:

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/[/URL]

Then look at the "7-Tage-Inzidenz" at the top of the page. Today it says 10.3 (Bundesweit), well below the 35 required to keep things open.

If you want to know the local score, click at the top, change from Bundeslnder, to Landeskreis, then zoom around the map and see the 7-Day-Incidence for that local area.[/QUOTE]Bob Cock Index (RKI) today: 9. 3!! 10% Drop! Woot! Woot!

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;2570604]Bob Cock Index (RKI) today: 9. 3!! 10% Drop! Woot! Woot!

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is the '7 day Incident Rate" from the 20th on June 2020, last year, from the Robert Cock Institute.

See page 3: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-06-20-de.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/URL].

Notice anything? Doesn't it look extremely similar?

Last year in June-July-August it was more or less business as usual in Germany, all without any vaccine!

Look at the table at the righthand top of page 3:

143 Landkreise and-or Stadtkreise reported zero cases per 100 k citizens!

204 Landkreise and-or Stadtkreise reported between 0 and 5 "cases" per 100 k citizens!

The remaining 65 Lands-Stadtkreise reported higher levels.

Only one Landskreis (Guetersloh) had a really high Incident Rate, because of an outbreak in a meatpacking factory, and that was it in June 2020!

Again, all because of the natural immune system, no vaccine in 2020, so don't start cheering too soon because the 2021 trend so far is more or less the same as the trend for 2020. Lockdowns and "cases" during the winter months, dropping "cases" during the summer months: just like a normal flu!

And we all know what happened in the autumn of last year when lockdowns and "2nd, 3rd and 4th waves" were hyped in the media.

I stick to my prediction: 2021 will more or less be an exact replay of 2020: some 'relaxations' and some reopenings (like some FKK clubs were open last summer), but then again a hard lockdown in autumn 2021 because of "new mutations."

Lather, rinse, repeat, and with every step they take more and more of your freedoms and your constitutional rights with a hyped up seasonal flu as excuse.

No problem for US citizens to visit Germany this summer.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/european-union-plans-reopen-american-190612989.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2570742]No problem for US citizens to visit Germany this summer.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/european-union-plans-reopen-american-190612989.html[/URL][/QUOTE]When will Sharks and Oase open? That is another issue.

Really encouraging info on this German resource:

[URL]https://www.germany.info/us-en/covid-19/2321562[/URL]

The German Government is lifting all travel restrictions for persons residing in the United States, effective Sunday, June 20,2021. So starting Sunday, travel to Germany for all purposes will be permitted again. However, a proof of vaccination, proof of recovery from COVID-19, or negative test result is still required for entry via air travel.

Travelers who received all the required doses of a COVID-19 vaccine cited on the website of the Paul Ehrlich Institute are considered fully vaccinated. It must be at least 14 days since the last vaccine dose was administered. On entry, travelers must have proof of vaccination in written (E. G. CDC card).

How can I receive a digital COVID certificate / QR code?

No information is currently available about how those with a foreign vaccine card (E. G. From the US) can receive a digital COVID certificate which is recognized in Europe. Talks are currently underway regarding recognition of international vaccinations (I. E. Received outside the EU).

Totally agree with you, Europe and Canada are taking this too seriously, and I still can't figure out why.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2570632]Here is the '7 day Incident Rate" from the 20th on June 2020, last year, from the Robert Cock Institute.

See page 3: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-06-20-de.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/URL].

Notice anything? Doesn't it look extremely similar?

Last year in June-July-August it was more or less business as usual in Germany, all without any vaccine!

Look at the table at the righthand top of page 3:

143 Landkreise and-or Stadtkreise reported zero cases per 100 k citizens!

204 Landkreise and-or Stadtkreise reported between 0 and 5 "cases" per 100 k citizens!

The remaining 65 Lands-Stadtkreise reported higher levels.

Only one Landskreis (Guetersloh) had a really high Incident Rate, because of an outbreak in a meatpacking factory, and that was it in June 2020!

Again, all because of the natural immune system, no vaccine in 2020, so don't start cheering too soon because the 2021 trend so far is more or less the same as the trend for 2020. Lockdowns and "cases" during the winter months, dropping "cases" during the summer months: just like a normal flu!

And we all know what happened in the autumn of last year when lockdowns and "2nd, 3rd and 4th waves" were hyped in the media.

I stick to my prediction: 2021 will more or less be an exact replay of 2020: some 'relaxations' and some reopenings (like some FKK clubs were open last summer), but then again a hard lockdown in autumn 2021 because of "new mutations."

Lather, rinse, repeat, and with every step they take more and more of your freedoms and your constitutional rights with a hyped up seasonal flu as excuse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2570817]Really encouraging info on this German resource:

[URL]https://www.germany.info/us-en/covid-19/2321562[/URL]

The German Government is lifting all travel restrictions for persons residing in the United States, effective Sunday, June 20,2021. So starting Sunday, travel to Germany for all purposes will be permitted again. However, a proof of vaccination, proof of recovery from COVID-19, or negative test result is still required for entry via air travel.

Travelers who received all the required doses of a COVID-19 vaccine cited on the website of the Paul Ehrlich Institute are considered fully vaccinated. It must be at least 14 days since the last vaccine dose was administered. On entry, travelers must have proof of vaccination in written (E. G. CDC card).

How can I receive a digital COVID certificate / QR code?

No information is currently available about how those with a foreign vaccine card (E. G. From the US) can receive a digital COVID certificate which is recognized in Europe. Talks are currently underway regarding recognition of international vaccinations (I. E. Received outside the EU).[/QUOTE]Few opened clubs will ask you for less than 48 hours negative test and check your ID and ask you to write your private data, even if you are German living in Germany.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2570806]When will Sharks and Oase open? That is another issue.[/QUOTE]Not a issue at all for me, again sex is not forbidden, why not organizing your life differently than to wait desperately the opening of the FKK. I am having very great time.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2571020]Not a issue at all for me, again sex is not forbidden, why not organizing your life differently than to wait desperately the opening of the FKK. I am having very great time.[/QUOTE]Are you on a mission to convince us all to stop mongering? If so, that's a hell of a task!

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2570806]When will Sharks and Oase open? That is another issue.[/QUOTE]When Hessen will allow, when didn't on 2020. I'm not married with any brothel, I just adapt, when only beauties on my standard interest me, and to have some foods, when girls were so hungry for business on Friday afternoon at Samya which is biggest club opened in Germany, a bit difficult to have so many girls asking, but for me, sex is better after eating, I always eat first, even after 7 months, but no rush, really no hurry, had my first room after more than 5 hours spent in club. But I wish to Sharks which made big improvement works since 2014 I discovered, or Oase, or World where I would like to play bonobo in tree room with my Jane, or highest level Palace, to reopen one day, when I was really surprised NRW could reopen before elections, after not far from 100 000 deaths. Germany surprise me with their risky brothels business for health.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2571105]Are you on a mission to convince us all to stop mongering? If so, that's a hell of a task![/QUOTE]I am 60+ therefor no mission anymore, but why not trying to share some of my experiences. I consider in this time of pandemic may be we all have to think about what we have done great and not in our life. I don t consider that my extreme mongering time was the best time and the most beneficial for me. Specially all the mongers in fix relation or even married should think about how fucking prostitutes can bring anything positive in their relation. I am not saying it is good or bad, I am just saying that we all have limited energy, limited finances and why spending our so precious time to fuck prostitutes.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2571105]Are you on a mission to convince us all to stop mongering? If so, that's a hell of a task![/QUOTE]I think Expatlover has influenced me. I have not been with a hooker or any other woman or even ejaculated for the month of June so far. I think its the longest period of my life since my teenage years.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2571428]I think Expatlover has influenced me. I have not been with a hooker or any other woman or even ejaculated for the month of June so far. I think its the longest period of my life since my teenage years.[/QUOTE]Same for me from about 24 May to 18 June, too sick, really no libido, but after Samya where I tasted blood, now I want again blood and tasted again today a Siberian, when was quite easy since Ukrainian Rosie on January. Look forward 2 July to climb Iseran to start my Summer, my main aim.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2571420]I am 60+ therefor no mission anymore, but why not trying to share some of my experiences. I consider in this time of pandemic may be we all have to think about what we have done great and not in our life. I don t consider that my extreme mongering time was the best time and the most beneficial for me. Specially all the mongers in fix relation or even married should think about how fucking prostitutes can bring anything positive in their relation. I am not saying it is good or bad, I am just saying that we all have limited energy, limited finances and why spending our so precious time to fuck prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Well, I can see that when mongering goes out of control it may cause some serious damage to a person's life and I'm happy you can control yourself now, but I'm sure most people here do it according to their means. I'm not a millionaire and I can definitely control how much I spend in clubs. I have mongered in many places in Europe, which gave me amazing memories. I treasure the memory of a tall blond Czech stripper at Darling cabaret in Prague, which was a brothel / disco with the previous management. She was genuinely a good person, on top of being a stunner! Years ago, I even met one of the girls outside her FKK club a few times for dinner, spa and sex sessions. Amazing memories with her too! Sharks has been my first FKK and my first FKK was the famous Cosmina. I can still remember that night at Sharks and I feel really good when I'm there. As Carpaccio once said: 'FKK is the male equivalent of a wellness center' (or something to that effect! Nothing more and nothing less!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2571461]... I'm not a millionaire and I can definitely control how much I spend in clubs. I have mongered in many places in Europe, which gave me amazing memories. I treasure the memory of a tall blond Czech stripper at Darling cabaret in Prague, which was a brothel / disco with the previous management. She was genuinely a good person, on top of being a stunner! Years ago, I even met one of the girls outside her FKK club a few times for dinner, spa and sex sessions. Amazing memories with her too! Sharks has been my first FKK and my first FKK was the famous Cosmina. I can still remember that night at Sharks and I feel really good when I'm there. As Carpaccio once said: 'FKK is the male equivalent of a wellness center' (or something to that effect! Nothing more and nothing less![/QUOTE]Yes, I treasure my trips to FKK land. My first club, Mainhatten. My many trips to Sharks, my favorite club for girl watching. The incredible sessions at Oase, the quiet time at ROM, the depravity and joy of Dietz. The lusty lovelies of Finca. I remember them all, and I hope to visit again someday. I could name nearly every girl I took a room with, and had but one less than awesome experience. Exquisite German Lara, tho only girl I sessioned with multiple times. Alexa and Aubry, my first double. Irina at Mainhatten, my first FKK experience. I could go on and on; I never left an FKK without being incredibly happy.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2571461]Well, I can see that when mongering goes out of control it may cause some serious damage to a person's life and I'm happy you can control yourself now, but I'm sure most people here do it according to their means. I'm not a millionaire and I can definitely control how much I spend in clubs. I have mongered in many places in Europe, which gave me amazing memories. I treasure the memory of a tall blond Czech stripper at Darling cabaret in Prague, which was a brothel / disco with the previous management. She was genuinely a good person, on top of being a stunner! Years ago, I even met one of the girls outside her FKK club a few times for dinner, spa and sex sessions. Amazing memories with her too! Sharks has been my first FKK and my first FKK was the famous Cosmina. I can still remember that night at Sharks and I feel really good when I'm there. As Carpaccio once said: 'FKK is the male equivalent of a wellness center' (or something to that effect! Nothing more and nothing less![/QUOTE]I never spent more than 10% of my income for mongering. Human can't think 2 things at the same time, a good solution to go out of mongering is not to think about it, and each time you think about it to immediately think about another think that you like a lot. There is time in life for many different things I find it a little bit ridiculous at least for me, to spend so many hours in a close environment like a FKK just to try to find a girl. Now I have so much more interesting to do.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2571428]I think Expatlover has influenced me. I have not been with a hooker or any other woman or even ejaculated for the month of June so far. I think its the longest period of my life since my teenage years.[/QUOTE]Could be the vaccine. I've heard others who got the vaccine mentioning they stopped getting horny also.

Sharks has just announced on FB that they will re-open on the 25 June. Most probably they will require a negative test and / or full vaccination.

I expect re-opening of all the other Hessen club soon!

According to their website, Sharks will reopen on Friday the 25th with a number of hygiene conditions and restrictions.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2571741]According to their website, Sharks will reopen on Friday the 25th with a number of hygiene conditions and restrictions.[/QUOTE]To all the lucky bastards in the Hessen area: Have a great reopening day and, please, report back! I hope I will be able to enter Germany soon!

[QUOTE=LaBambaBoy;2571534]Yes, I treasure my trips to FKK land. My first club, Mainhatten. My many trips to Sharks, my favorite club for girl watching. The incredible sessions at Oase, the quiet time at ROM, the depravity and joy of Dietz. The lusty lovelies of Finca. I remember them all, and I hope to visit again someday. I could name nearly every girl I took a room with, and had but one less than awesome experience. Exquisite German Lara, tho only girl I sessioned with multiple times. Alexa and Aubry, my first double. Irina at Mainhatten, my first FKK experience. I could go on and on; I never left an FKK without being incredibly happy.[/QUOTE]I think a went probably several hundred times to FKK and 50% I left without any room, everyone has is own level of exigence.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2571745]To all the lucky bastards in the Hessen area: Have a great reopening day and, please, report back! I hope I will be able to enter Germany soon![/QUOTE]You sound jealous? Well I'm in the same position and I'm bloody jealous!

I've had two jabs but despite the promises I'm still restricted to practically travelling nowhere.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2571745]To all the lucky bastards in the Hessen area: Have a great reopening day and, please, report back! I hope I will be able to enter Germany soon![/QUOTE]Thank you, I probably will once I know what exactly is coming in terms of restrictions. I imagine you'll have to take quick corona virus test in advance, they will restrict how many customers and girls (given most of them haven't returned yet, this may not be an issue) can be inside at the same time.

Questions remain whether:

-the pools and jacuzzis will be open.

-sauna will be open? In a sauna club.

-how big the line-up will even be and what prices they will be asking.

Given however that I like the FKKs for the facilities, the former questions are just as important to me as the latter.

Also given that most vacation destinations like Thailand are still more or less shut down, an FKK vacation might not be such a bad idea, especially when its down the street.

Curious as well whether Palace, Oase and World will follow suit and when.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2571853]Thank you, I probably will once I know what exactly is coming in terms of restrictions. I imagine you'll have to take quick corona virus test in advance, they will restrict how many customers and girls (given most of them haven't returned yet, this may not be an issue) can be inside at the same time.

Questions remain whether:

-the pools and jacuzzis will be open.

-sauna will be open? In a sauna club.

-how big the line-up will even be and what prices they will be asking.

Given however that I like the FKKs for the facilities, the former questions are just as important to me as the latter.

Also given that most vacation destinations like Thailand are still more or less shut down, an FKK vacation might not be such a bad idea, especially when its down the street.

Curious as well whether Palace, Oase and World will follow suit and when.[/QUOTE]I totally agree, facilities are important to me too. In the meantime, this is a big step towards some type of normality. Some Sharks girls I met at History in Switzerland last year were looking forward to returning to Sharks.

[QUOTE=Canary;2571826]You sound jealous? Well I'm in the same position and I'm bloody jealous!

I've had two jabs but despite the promises I'm still restricted to practically travelling nowhere.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm jealous but I'm also happy about the reopening and for the locals! I'm also double jabbed but I'm also based in the UK, so it will take a while before EU countries welcome us back after the shitshow of our useless government with regards to the Indian variant!

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2571741]According to their website, Sharks will reopen on Friday the 25th with a number of hygiene conditions and restrictions.[/QUOTE]Germany Eases Travel Restrictions for American Tourists.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/germany-eases-travel-restrictions-american-153952994.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2571678]Could be the vaccine. I've heard others who got the vaccine mentioning they stopped getting horny also.[/QUOTE]I have not been vaccinated yet and do not plan on visiting a foreign country in the near future. When I do decide to travel again I will do what is required. In the mean time I do hope that you and other mongers will keep me apprised of the goings on at Sharks.

It will be interesting how many girls return, they haven't been given much notice. Germany seems to have gone testing crazy unless you've had 2 jabs you need a negative test in the last 24 hours to check into a hotel or eat inside at a restaurant plus of course for visiting Sharks.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2572112]It will be interesting how many girls return, they haven't been given much notice. Germany seems to have gone testing crazy unless you've had 2 jabs you need a negative test in the last 24 hours to check into a hotel or eat inside at a restaurant plus of course for visiting Sharks.[/QUOTE]From scouting info from local forums and mongers in the area, many Sharks girls have been working escort and underground privates in the area. I bet there will be easily 50 girls on Day 1.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572071]I have not been vaccinated yet and do not plan on visiting a foreign country in the near future. When I do decide to travel again I will do what is required. In the mean time I do hope that you and other mongers will keep me apprised of the goings on at Sharks.[/QUOTE]Well news of the Hessen club openings arrived a bit late, so I made other plans. Maybe by fall. Maybe not considering covid. We'll see.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2571428]I think Expatlover has influenced me. I have not been with a hooker or any other woman or even ejaculated for the month of June so far. I think its the longest period of my life since my teenage years.[/QUOTE]It might be worthwhile to see a medical (or mental health professional). I suspect they might tell you that your libido is "normal" for someone your age. And that doctor's assessment might be correct for most average people your age. But what the unsuspecting doctor might not know is that 18 months ago, you had the libido of someone half your age.

I'm looking forward to returning! I bought plane tickets a couple weeks ago and it was a killer deal. I had covid back in February and my flight home is on the 6 month anniversary within my first positive covid test. Amazing! I will premise, my return is dependent on the reviews from now until August first (I'll need to cancel my Airbnbs and car rental).

Worst case is I go back to Brazil!

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2572112]It will be interesting how many girls return, they haven't been given much notice.[/QUOTE]I expect most of them to be rushing back. The ones working for at least a few years are pretty much hooked. Probably a backlog to getting themselves registered. Quite a few of them were escorting and now they're back in the club. Hard to get men to pay their rates when they can go to the clubs for a lot cheaper. More than a year without work and making 4-500 euros / month "if" they were able to find a job isn't going to finance their lifestyle. There's been a surplus of covid vaccine in RO for awhile and I'm sure the chance that another wave will happen in fall / winter will make them fly down the autobahn.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2571428]I think Expatlover has influenced me. I have not been with a hooker or any other woman or even ejaculated for the month of June so far. I think its the longest period of my life since my teenage years.[/QUOTE]I think you are mixing having sex and paying for it. I guess that in the world 99.99% of the men have sex without paying prostitute, it is exactly what is fortunately happening to me.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2572372]I expect most of them to be rushing back. The ones working for at least a few years are pretty much hooked.[/QUOTE]Got all of my fingers crossed for the Sharks MILF crew to come back.

Not going to be able to visit for a few more months but I'll sure be hitting that F5 button like it owed me money in hopes of reading good news about the line-up.

I really had a blast with a couple of these girls a couple of years ago and can't wait to meet them again.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2572017]Yes, I'm jealous but I'm also happy about the reopening and for the locals! I'm also double jabbed but I'm also based in the UK, so it will take a while before EU countries welcome us back after the shitshow of our useless government with regards to the Indian variant![/QUOTE]Don't forget that this shitshow is "World class". It's hard to get a trade deal if you force Indians to go into quarantine.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2572372]I expect most of them to be rushing back. The ones working for at least a few years are pretty much hooked. Probably a backlog to getting themselves registered. Quite a few of them were escorting and now they're back in the club. Hard to get men to pay their rates when they can go to the clubs for a lot cheaper. More than a year without work and making 4-500 euros / month "if" they were able to find a job isn't going to finance their lifestyle. There's been a surplus of covid vaccine in RO for awhile and I'm sure the chance that another wave will happen in fall / winter will make them fly down the autobahn.[/QUOTE]Hessen legend I followed at Globe, being busy superstar there, but always coming to a tramp like me at Globe, because I know how You treat me she said when 6 years after she started at World, less than 165, with gypsy Esmeralda look on her start, but she turned elegant with sophisticated look and chic manners, at least with me, playing woman for me. She made more than 25 000 CHF on her 3 weeks tours. Even my Velbert for 40/30 regular made 5000 € per week and she always welcome me, proposing me to take appointment when I refused to wait for her at Bruggen. Big fast money, why I don t worry for these girls who are ready to fuck with devil, even when they are little mum and letting baby at home. Not normal women.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2572425]Don't forget that this shitshow is "World class". It's hard to get a trade deal if you force Indians to go into quarantine.[/QUOTE]I worked several years in India, the problem with that people is that they always try not to follow any regulation, second they believe they are protected about most of the bacteria's and viruses due to there very poor living standard. They never could imagine being so hardly impacted by the covid.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2572277]It might be worthwhile to see a medical (or mental health professional). I suspect they might tell you that your libido is "normal" for someone your age. And that doctor's assessment might be correct for most average people your age. But what the unsuspecting doctor might not know is that 18 months ago, you had the libido of someone half your age.[/QUOTE]Ha ha, yes the doctor might make the correct assessment now but if he checks me during my next visit to Sharks, whenever that may be, he may be shocked.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2572415]Got all of my fingers crossed for the Sharks MILF crew to come back.

Not going to be able to visit for a few more months but I'll sure be hitting that F5 button like it owed me money in hopes of reading good news about the line-up.

I really had a blast with a couple of these girls a couple of years ago and can't wait to meet them again.[/QUOTE]Who are the Sharks MILFs? Like the Germans who usually sit next to the dining area?

Some more information has been added to the website.

You can get tested in Sharks.

No mask outside, when sat down or in room.

Sauna and steam closed.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2572681]Some more information has been added to the website.

You can get tested in Sharks.

No mask outside, when sat down or in room.

Sauna and steam closed.[/QUOTE]Thanks. That's a no go then for now.

Other clubs will have their saunas open, which I thought was the whole point of the word sauna in Sauna-Klub.
Masks inside is also equally a no go.
The RLD for a quick in and out, maybe. A club where you might stay for 8 hours? No way.

No wonder they're reduced the price.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2572684]Thanks. That's a no go then for now.

Other clubs will have their saunas open, which I thought was the whole point of the word sauna in Sauna-Klub.
Masks inside is also equally a no go.
The RLD for a quick in and out, maybe. A club where you might stay for 8 hours? No way.

No wonder they're reduced the price.[/QUOTE]Never made any sauna in any club. Mask only when moving, not when chatting with a girl. I don't like test.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2572684]Thanks. That's a no go then for now.

Other clubs will have their saunas open, which I thought was the whole point of the word sauna in Sauna-Klub.
Masks inside is also equally a no go.
The RLD for a quick in and out, maybe. A club where you might stay for 8 hours? No way.

No wonder they're reduced the price.[/QUOTE]Wonder if this can lead to more girls actually spending more time outside by the pool. If so, that's one positive.

The odd thing about sauna / steam room closure is that high temps and high humidity should actually reduce transmissibility. No reason to close the saunas. Bad science at play here.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2572681]Some more information has been added to the website.

You can get tested in Sharks.

No mask outside, when sat down or in room.

Sauna and steam closed.[/QUOTE]Great for quick test on site. Sharks made so much works for improvement with now beautiful garden with beautiful trees, even I can't play anymore football, and as I always think work deserve to be paid, so I wish them success, and maybe a beauty for me on my return.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572695]Wonder if this can lead to more girls actually spending more time outside by the pool. If so, that's one positive.

The odd thing about sauna / steam room closure is that high temps and high humidity should actually reduce transmissibility. No reason to close the saunas. Bad science at play here.[/QUOTE]That is why in India with very high temperature the Indian variant pop up at the beginning of summer. I don't believe temperature has something to do, just in winter the people stay more inside, with less renewal of the air. That is exactly what happen in the FKK but will not restrict the desperate mongers to go.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572581]Who are the Sharks MILFs? Like the Germans who usually sit next to the dining area?[/QUOTE]Not sure if that's the official name but yes, that crew.

Think I went with a German lady and 2 from the Baltic region. Repeated sessions.

Had the time of life those couple of days in the summer of 2019, right up my alley.

On your marks, set.....

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2572681]Some more information has been added to the website.

You can get tested in Sharks.

No mask outside, when sat down or in room.

Sauna and steam closed.[/QUOTE]But it is just regulations, the questions is are those regulations enough to protect you from getting sick, personally I don t believe even I am vaccinated I will not visit any prostitutes or FKK. I don t trust those rules or regulations we all saw that there were not efficient except in China and the 4 wave is already on our doors (Delta, Delta plus). It is not when it is allowed that I will do it, I can drink 3 litres coca cola every day but I will not do, and so on. I try to think with my head, WHO is still pushing for social distancing which is exactly the contrary when you meet prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572912]On your marks, set.....[/QUOTE]Please don't tease!

Merkel banned my Country's citizens from entering Germany so presently I'm in depressed mode with a large dollop of jealousy.

Of course I will read all the reports with huge interest, however with huge luck late August is the earliest I can see things improving for me.

Had it not been for this annoying inconvenience I would have been at Sharks within two weeks of its reopening.

My buddy at Sharks said there's no restrictions in place except for the fact that you need to wear a mask when walking. It's fine to not wear a mask when sitting down, in the room, and outside. They're not strict on enforcement either.

Lineup is around 30+ girls. Maybe an uptick in the next few weeks.

Patronage is busy so good amount of business for the girls.

I'll report back when I travel 7/6-7/11.

[QUOTE=Canary;2572933]Please don't tease!

Merkel banned my Country's citizens from entering Germany so presently I'm in depressed mode with a large dollop of jealousy.

Of course I will read all the reports with huge interest, however with huge luck late August is the earliest I can see things improving for me.

Had it not been for this annoying inconvenience I would have been at Sharks within two weeks of its reopening.[/QUOTE]You are not alone in this, mate! We need to sit tight and hope things will improve by mid / end of Summer.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2572978]You are not alone in this, mate! We need to sit tight and hope things will improve by mid / end of Summer.[/QUOTE]Yes so you have plenty of time to think if it safe to visit a FKK knowing that Delta and even Delta plus are around.

Any reports from how it is tonight? Usually there are 100+ girls, are there fewer today? If so, might be better to wait until it's back to normal again?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2572978]You are not alone in this, mate! We need to sit tight and hope things will improve by mid / end of Summer.[/QUOTE]I admire your optimism mate!

Although I predicted correctly Clubs would reopen during this summer I'm less confident about predicting our citizens return especially when we have a total idiot as a PM and a buffoon as a Health Secretary.

I would pull your arm off for a return in August but because the UK has the Worlds best surveillance system (IE we test ten times more people than Germany) we are picking up all the infection rates where other countries don't have that ability.

Our only hope is that double jabbed people (me!) are 80%-90% protected against catching or spreading the Indian variant so if UK continues to double jab more people (currently 60%) & Germany does the same (achieved 30%) we may eventually return.

Anyway that's enough virus talk from me, back to dreaming about my return.. whenever that is!

[QUOTE=Canary;2573009]I admire your optimism mate!

Although I predicted correctly Clubs would reopen during this summer I'm less confident about predicting our citizens return especially when we have a total idiot as a PM and a buffoon as a Health Secretary.

I would pull your arm off for a return in August but because the UK has the Worlds best surveillance system (IE we test ten times more people than Germany) we are picking up all the infection rates where other countries don't have that ability.

Our only hope is that double jabbed people (me!) are 80%-90% protected against catching or spreading the Indian variant so if UK continues to double jab more people (currently 60%) & Germany does the same (achieved 30%) we may eventually return.

Anyway that's enough virus talk from me, back to dreaming about my return.. whenever that is![/QUOTE]At the end of the end what matters really is the number of deaths, and on that front UK has terrible results and some are saying that London has the worst results in the world.

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2573001]Any reports from how it is tonight? Usually there are 100+ girls, are there fewer today? If so, might be better to wait until it's back to normal again?[/QUOTE]My friend is there said day started off with 30-40+ girls and 3:1 guys: girls ratio, but has gradually improved where there are more girls 40-50+ as the night progressed to Peak hours.

No restrictions on staying longer than 3-4 hours, I saw someone say that in another thread.

I'd expect the situation to improve over the next 2-3+ weeks as more girls come back.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2572995]Yes so you have plenty of time to think if it safe to visit a FKK knowing that Delta and even Delta plus are around.[/QUOTE]In 2017-2018 there was a big flu wave. Did you stay home and lock yourself into your house then as well? Better stop living, or buy a nuclear bunker and spend the rest of your life there. Or get married or get a girlfriend-sexfriend if you want to fight P6 addiction.

By creating and hyping a big 'Delta and Delta Plus drama' to prevent the rest of the entire planet from visiting FKK clubs because you can't control your FKK sex addiction is a bit selfish, don't you think?

Why are you here writing anyways, if you're too afraid to go fucking in an FKK club? Maybe get a new hobby (one you can do from your living room) and spend time on those forums?

[QUOTE=Canary;2573009]I admire your optimism mate!

Although I predicted correctly Clubs would reopen during this summer I'm less confident about predicting our citizens return especially when we have a total idiot as a PM and a buffoon as a Health Secretary.

I would pull your arm off for a return in August but because the UK has the Worlds best surveillance system (IE we test ten times more people than Germany) we are picking up all the infection rates where other countries don't have that ability.

Our only hope is that double jabbed people (me!) are 80%-90% protected against catching or spreading the Indian variant so if UK continues to double jab more people (currently 60%) & Germany does the same (achieved 30%) we may eventually return.

Anyway that's enough virus talk from me, back to dreaming about my return.. whenever that is![/QUOTE]You are not alone, I can fly to Germany today, I'm vaccinated and can enter Germany without any restriction, BUT I can't return to my country unless I get a Negative PCR test, I want to go 5 days and I have to return on day 6 , BUT if the PCR test is positive then I can't return! I don't blame Merekel I blame our stupid Prime Minister who wants PCR test for us to return.

[QUOTE=Canary;2572933]Please don't tease!

Merkel banned my Country's citizens from entering Germany so presently I'm in depressed mode with a large dollop of jealousy.

Of course I will read all the reports with huge interest, however with huge luck late August is the earliest I can see things improving for me.

Had it not been for this annoying inconvenience I would have been at Sharks within two weeks of its reopening.[/QUOTE]My personal opinion: I feel a lot more comfortable visiting the newly reopened Sharks, watching the LU slowly grow and come back to life, knowing there are no UK visitors right now, in the midst of the Indian / Delta Variant.

Brits are famous for their stiff upper lip, they can wait it out till next year for the benefit of we EU guys on whom the UK turned its back. Patience is a virtue for the greater good of all.

Specific Reasons:

-- Strong Increase in daily cases in UK now.

-- Large Indian community.

--Inferior Vaccine A / Z.

--Selected not to be part of the EU.

Danke and Maybe later, bloke.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2572978]You are not alone in this, mate! We need to sit tight and hope things will improve by mid / end of Summer.[/QUOTE]Indian variant spreading in the US too; I'll bet that DE is going to have second thoughts about letting Americans in the door and we'll soon be in the same boat as UK.

German forum reports that the first night was pretty miserable. Tons of guys, only about 20 girls (what did you expect though at such short notice?

Garden full of junk.

Obviously the girls then water down the service if you only pay 50 euros.

So Sharks needs to rebuild, but doesn't everywhere now after 15 months of inactivity?

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2573111]German forum reports that the first night was pretty miserable. Tons of guys, only about 20 girls (what did you expect though at such short notice?

Garden full of junk.

Obviously the girls then water down the service if you only pay 50 euros.

So Sharks needs to rebuild, but doesn't everywhere now after 15 months of inactivity?[/QUOTE]Thank you. New faces or mostly same old girls? Any restrictions on how long guys could stay inside the club?

I guess it is like watching the movie on the first day of its release, especially a blockbuster like a new Star Wars movie. You go for the thrill of saying you were there on the first day.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2573111]German forum reports that the first night was pretty miserable. Tons of guys, only about 20 girls (what did you expect though at such short notice?

Garden full of junk.

Obviously the girls then water down the service if you only pay 50 euros.

So Sharks needs to rebuild, but doesn't everywhere now after 15 months of inactivity?[/QUOTE]Thanks for relaying the info from the German forum. Nice to hear what's happening. I'm anxious to return but will wait a while until it's closer to normal especially the number of girls. Please continue to provide updates with info you are learning there. Awesome that we have reached the daylight at the end of the long tunnel!

I'm guessing I read the same reports as Lanthano, one of the quotes was "First impression: insane excess of men. Only occasionally do I see a woman. ".

Apparently you entry your contact details on a sheet and can look up the list to see the details of everyone else. It wasn't clear if there were any checks regarding if you've entered the correct information. ID checks were mentioned but only for checking the Covid part of your entrance.

The Sharks website says their Covid tests for entry cost 5 euros.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2572978]You are not alone in this, mate! We need to sit tight and hope things will improve by mid / end of Summer.[/QUOTE]What can this attitude change, the virus doesn't care about hope and wishes. The reality is that many people are not vaccinated even the efficiency is probably around 50% it is better than nothing, second so many people don t respect the social distancing, wearing a mask. So the risk is high to see a fourth wave. Sorry but fucking prostitutes is at very high risk concerning the spread of the covid.

[QUOTE=Canary;2573009]Anyway that's enough virus talk from me, back to dreaming about my return.. whenever that is![/QUOTE]After reading about the opening day at Sharks on the German forum I don't feel so bad that I'm not currently allowed access to Germany.

On reflection I think people were surprised that Hessen gave such short notice to allow sex establishments to open hence they were not totally prepared. I can understand why the entrance price has been reduced, for now.

Fewer girls, limited service for €50 compared to before, the garden needing attention etc etc are things you would expect but when having to use an "open register" to confirm your personal details on entry I found this surprising and reflects poorly on Sharks management. Giving personal info is understandable in the present climate and not an issue for me but allowing every Tom, Dick & Harry to view the register is appalling.

I'm sure all these things will improve in the coming days & weeks and still look forward to my return whenever Merkel allows me to.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572695]The odd thing about sauna / steam room closure is that high temps and high humidity should actually reduce transmissibility. No reason to close the saunas. Bad science at play here.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, you mean: bad science just like lockdowns and masks?

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2573111]German forum reports that the first night was pretty miserable. Tons of guys, only about 20 girls (what did you expect though at such short notice?

Garden full of junk.

Obviously the girls then water down the service if you only pay 50 euros.

So Sharks needs to rebuild, but doesn't everywhere now after 15 months of inactivity?[/QUOTE]"only" 50 euro's? There are enough clubs in Germany where you can pay even less for a decent and good service of a decent girl.

But ok, as I understand now, they made the common practice official: so 50 Euro for 30 minutes is only "fuck & suck", for 100 Euro /30 minutes (or 150 euro /60 minutes) you get "standard" saunaclub service with DFK, OWO, etc (that elsewhere in Germany is 60/30 or 50/30 or even less). Let's hope the men will vote with their wallet and avoid this club (as I did already for a long time, since you could not get decent service here for "normal" prices).

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2573188]Thanks for relaying the info from the German forum. Nice to hear what's happening. I'm anxious to return but will wait a while until it's closer to normal especially the number of girls. Please continue to provide updates with info you are learning there. Awesome that we have reached the daylight at the end of the long tunnel![/QUOTE]Are you waiting for UK travelers to be allowed back into Germany?

[QUOTE=Maxime;2573244]"only" 50 euro's? There are enough clubs in Germany where you can pay even less for a decent and good service of a decent girl.

But ok, as I understand now, they made the common practice official: so 50 Euro for 30 minutes is only "fuck & suck", for 100 Euro /30 minutes (or 150 euro /60 minutes) you get "standard" saunaclub service with DFK, OWO, etc (that elsewhere in Germany is 60/30 or 50/30 or even less). Let's hope the men will vote with their wallet and avoid this club (as I did already for a long time, since you could not get decent service here for "normal" prices).[/QUOTE]The basics are offer and demand, the price is a variable of adjustment. I don't believe that in Germany you can find a young, fresh, natural beauty for 50/30, because those girls are doing escort in VIP agencies, and they don t want to get fucked 10 or 20 times per day by guys coming from everywhere. They have something to loose at least their beauty.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2573244]"only" 50 euro's? There are enough clubs in Germany where you can pay even less for a decent and good service of a decent girl.

But ok, as I understand now, they made the common practice official: so 50 Euro for 30 minutes is only "fuck & suck", for 100 Euro /30 minutes (or 150 euro /60 minutes) you get "standard" saunaclub service with DFK, OWO, etc (that elsewhere in Germany is 60/30 or 50/30 or even less). Let's hope the men will vote with their wallet and avoid this club (as I did already for a long time, since you could not get decent service here for "normal" prices).[/QUOTE]Agree. You are speaking as an experienced member. I have long avoided Sharks as I can get better service for cheaper from equally attractive girls elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2573111]German forum reports that the first night was pretty miserable. Tons of guys, only about 20 girls (what did you expect though at such short notice?

Garden full of junk.

Obviously the girls then water down the service if you only pay 50 euros.

So Sharks needs to rebuild, but doesn't everywhere now after 15 months of inactivity?[/QUOTE]Thanks Lanthano for your on the ground updates. I heard via my own local contacts the same story, so I guess the miserable experience was common. But as you say, hopefully things in all clubs will get better.

Can anyone who was there last night report on how many girls were there, the quality of the girls, etc? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Maxime;2573244]Let's hope the men will vote with their wallet and avoid this club (as I did already for a long time, since you could not get decent service here for "normal" prices).[/QUOTE]Really? I think you are doing this wrong if you can't find the girls who give good service at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2573244]"only" 50 euro's? There are enough clubs in Germany where you can pay even less for a decent and good service of a decent girl.

But ok, as I understand now, they made the common practice official: so 50 Euro for 30 minutes is only "fuck & suck", for 100 Euro /30 minutes (or 150 euro /60 minutes) you get "standard" saunaclub service with DFK, OWO, etc (that elsewhere in Germany is 60/30 or 50/30 or even less). Let's hope the men will vote with their wallet and avoid this club (as I did already for a long time, since you could not get decent service here for "normal" prices).[/QUOTE]After 15 months, painful balls rush like everywhere, when in this business, my first rule is to never rush. But when fall in Switzerland for looks and even level in bed and even at Globe, when Switzerland is complicated for fresh new blood, as I chatted with new Virginia Globe, so I believe more in Germany than in Switzerland now. Beauties are more and more rare everywhere and even at Globe where no wow for new girls, when I had a great 2019 at Oase and manage sometimes to find a beauty at Sharks, Sharks and Oase being both less expensive than Switzerland. After few days, painful balls fucked by long time girls will stay at home, when brothels will be less crowded than before covid. Less old, less tourists, less Balkanians who don t like to give their data. Just have to be a bit patient, many Romanians in need of money will arrive soon.

Regarding Delta. I think we are are all (more or less) in the same boat soon. Germany has 14% delta-penetration. US has 20% . So its no big difference.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2573094]Indian variant spreading in the US too; I'll bet that DE is going to have second thoughts about letting Americans in the door and we'll soon be in the same boat as UK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Maxime;2573244]"only" 50 euro's? There are enough clubs in Germany where you can pay even less for a decent and good service of a decent girl.

But ok, as I understand now, they made the common practice official: so 50 Euro for 30 minutes is only "fuck & suck", for 100 Euro /30 minutes (or 150 euro /60 minutes) you get "standard" saunaclub service with DFK, OWO, etc (that elsewhere in Germany is 60/30 or 50/30 or even less). Let's hope the men will vote with their wallet and avoid this club (as I did already for a long time, since you could not get decent service here for "normal" prices).[/QUOTE]It's a business and they're allowed to charge whatever rates they choose. You as well can go find other clubs, not a big deal. Thinking "other men will not go" is equivalent to being out of touch with reality. The market has already spoken given that more men showed up than girls on opening night. Highly doubt that people traveling across Europe, Asia, USA are going to cancel a trip over 50 euros. You're too caught up in the money and not thinking about the experience and enjoyment. These girls are there to make money and they will upcharge for services because they can as long as people are willing to say yes. One shouldn't dictate how another spends their time and money.

I never quite understood this infatuation with being frugal towards mongering. So many people feel "entitlement" to DFK / BBBJ services being standard for 50 euros. It's a common tactic to have a Basic package and Premium package. Standards change over time especially now given the risks of COVID. Besides that have you ever heard of inflation? 50 Euros 1-2 years ago ain't the same as 50 Euros now. These girls were likely hit the hardest I'm sure they could use the extra 50-100 euros more than you. Quit being cheap and treating them like machines, instead have a bit of compassion and pay them a fair rate for their services.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2573316]Regarding Delta. I think we are are all (more or less) in the same boat soon. Germany has 14% delta-penetration. US has 20% . So its no big difference.[/QUOTE]Delta-penetration is what Cane is into. Need FKKs to be open in that case.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2573203]I'm guessing I read the same reports as Lanthano, one of the quotes was "First impression: insane excess of men.".....[/QUOTE]Sylvana should go make lots of money now before the influx of hot nubile Romanians.

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2573316]Regarding Delta. I think we are are all (more or less) in the same boat soon. Germany has 14% delta-penetration. US has 20% . So its no big difference.[/QUOTE]The problem is not the % but the really strong increase of cases, like in Australia, Bangladesh, UK, France. I am afraid that this delta variant could be prominent in several weeks. Also unfortunately I was right when I was expressing my concern about the real efficiency of the vaccines, more and more fully vaccinated people are getting sick.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2573339]Sylvana should go make lots of money now before the influx of hot nubile Romanians.[/QUOTE]I was always shocked to see how many (relatively young guys) she managed to 'score.'

Are people really that dumb, drunk, or have such poor taste?

Reports on regional forums and from people in Hessen say that the upsell level is high. Many more men than women at the moment. Hopefully the ratios balance out as girls return. That should help with the somewhat expected price gouging.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572695]Wonder if this can lead to more girls actually spending more time outside by the pool. If so, that's one positive.
[/QUOTE]I read the outdoor area is closed currently which surprised me.

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2573318]It's a business and they're allowed to charge whatever rates they choose. You as well can go find other clubs, not a big deal. Thinking "other men will not go" is equivalent to being out of touch with reality. The market has already spoken given that more men showed up than girls on opening night. Highly doubt that people traveling across Europe, Asia, USA are going to cancel a trip over 50 euros. You're too caught up in the money and not thinking about the experience and enjoyment. These girls are there to make money and they will upcharge for services because they can as long as people are willing to say yes. One shouldn't dictate how another spends their time and money.

I never quite understood this infatuation with being frugal towards mongering. So many people feel "entitlement" to DFK / BBBJ services being standard for 50 euros. It's a common tactic to have a Basic package and Premium package. Standards change over time especially now given the risks of COVID. Besides that have you ever heard of inflation? 50 Euros 1-2 years ago ain't the same as 50 Euros now. These girls were likely hit the hardest I'm sure they could use the extra 50-100 euros more than you. Quit being cheap and treating them like machines, instead have a bit of compassion and pay them a fair rate for their services.[/QUOTE]Some amount of resentment is understandable. The locals feel that they fought hard (legislatively and otherwise) for monger rights and to establish clubs with certain service levels. Guys from other countries invade these clubs and do not pay attention to the local prices and spoil the girls, destroy the pricing standards set in place. Foreigners come and go but the locals who had hoped to benefit from the fruits of their hard work are now left with a bungled pricing system, greedy girls with bad habits, and continuously declining standards.

It is like you cleaned up your local beach and then a bunch of spoiled children invaded the beach and spilled trash all over and the cleaning is left to you except these spoiled kids keep invading every day.

I am a foreigner and I have that entitled attitude as well and throw my money around but I can perfectly understand I am destroying a system (with my occasional thoughtless actions) that was won due to the hard work of the locals.

BTW, from reports on this site, quite a few girls have stashed away a good amount of money. It is possible many guys paying money to fuck these girls are poorer than them in fact. That is certainly the case when you consider the local men but even some of the guys driving from neighboring countries, or even the ones flying from across the oceans may have less wealth than some girls.

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2573318]
I never quite understood this infatuation with being frugal towards mongering. So many people feel "entitlement" to DFK / BBBJ services being standard for 50 euros. It's a common tactic to have a Basic package and Premium package. Standards change over time especially now given the risks of COVID. Besides that have you ever heard of inflation? 50 Euros 1-2 years ago ain't the same as 50 Euros now. These girls were likely hit the hardest I'm sure they could use the extra 50-100 euros more than you. Quit being cheap and treating them like machines, instead have a bit of compassion and pay them a fair rate for their services.[/QUOTE]I think you have to keep in mind what local rates are, what locals are paying. That isn't necessarily being frugal.

Plenty of Germans, and locals like me do not wish to go far beyond 50 euros for 30 minutes.

I would suggest that those, like you apparently, dead set on paying way above market rate might be better served waiting for Palace to reopen.

As far as I am concerned, the girls can earn less in clean, legal surroundings like in Germany, or try their luck for earning much more illegally in some of the other countries here in Europe. There's a trade-off even for Germany.
I however don't doubt that the upselling will be kept in check by supply when more of the girls arrive here, which they will.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2573416]I think you have to keep in mind what local rates are, what locals are paying. That isn't necessarily being frugal.

Plenty of Germans, and locals like me do not wish to go far beyond 50 euros for 30 minutes.

I would suggest that those, like you apparently, dead set on paying way above market rate might be better served waiting for Palace to reopen.

As far as I am concerned, the girls can earn less in clean, legal surroundings like in Germany, or try their luck for earning much more illegally in some of the other countries here in Europe. There's a trade-off even for Germany.
I however don't doubt that the upselling will be kept in check by supply when more of the girls arrive here, which they will.[/QUOTE]I will never understand this mindset of some German mongers, they buy expensive cars but don't have 10 or 20 euro more for the girls. If you have no money stay home.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2573416]I think you have to keep in mind what local rates are, what locals are paying. That isn't necessarily being frugal.

Plenty of Germans, and locals like me do not wish to go far beyond 50 euros for 30 minutes.

I would suggest that those, like you apparently, dead set on paying way above market rate might be better served waiting for Palace to reopen.

As far as I am concerned, the girls can earn less in clean, legal surroundings like in Germany, or try their luck for earning much more illegally in some of the other countries here in Europe. There's a trade-off even for Germany.
I however don't doubt that the upselling will be kept in check by supply when more of the girls arrive here, which they will.[/QUOTE]I find myself in agreement with your comments. Any who wish to pay more should travel to Zurich where they can pay €125 for 30 minutes. But I think this pay more argument is made here more for effect and not out of real belief.

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2573318]It's a business and they're allowed to charge whatever rates they choose. You as well can go find other clubs, not a big deal. Thinking "other men will not go" is equivalent to being out of touch with reality. The market has already spoken given that more men showed up than girls on opening night. Highly doubt that people traveling across Europe, Asia, USA are going to cancel a trip over 50 euros. You're too caught up in the money and not thinking about the experience and enjoyment. These girls are there to make money and they will upcharge for services because they can as long as people are willing to say yes. One shouldn't dictate how another spends their time and money.

I never quite understood this infatuation with being frugal towards mongering. So many people feel "entitlement" to DFK / BBBJ services being standard for 50 euros. It's a common tactic to have a Basic package and Premium package. Standards change over time especially now given the risks of COVID. Besides that have you ever heard of inflation? 50 Euros 1-2 years ago ain't the same as 50 Euros now. These girls were likely hit the hardest I'm sure they could use the extra 50-100 euros more than you. Quit being cheap and treating them like machines, instead have a bit of compassion and pay them a fair rate for their services.[/QUOTE]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.

Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.

Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2573027]At the end of the end what matters really is the number of deaths, and on that front UK has terrible results and some are saying that London has the worst results in the world.[/QUOTE]Yes UK Government has made a mess of things but you can't keep referring back to the whole of the pandemic. As sad as it is with all the deaths to get a proper perspective you have to look at the situation NOW and double jabbed UK folk as I stated before rarely get infected and when they do it's a milder form of disease.

[QUOTE=Canary;2573441]Yes UK Government has made a mess of things but you can't keep referring back to the whole of the pandemic. As sad as it is with all the deaths to get a proper perspective you have to look at the situation NOW and double jabbed UK folk as I stated before rarely get infected and when they do it's a milder form of disease.[/QUOTE]I am not so positive than you, mostly the same people will do again the same mistakes, and the average deaths toll also restarts to increase. So many people believe in the efficiency of the vaccines I don t, today all the medias and politicians are always speaking in the same direction: the solution is the vaccination and get vaccinated ASAP.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2573360]I was always shocked to see how many (relatively young guys) she managed to 'score.'

Are people really that dumb, drunk, or have such poor taste?[/QUOTE]Maybe that's a fetish. They want to bang the woman who is the same age as their grandma.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.

Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.

Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with paying for services rendered. I'm personally not a fan of haggling for 50 euros, thus I opt for a standard 100 Euros / 60 m session to get around that issue. However, my friend who's there right now mentioned that the girls have been more pushy on upselling BBBJ / DFK for an extra 50 euros and there's more guys and less girls so they can get away with it. The situation may change if there are more girls in the next coming weeks, however any guy willing to pay extra is going to regardless.

If a person chooses to tip extra for great service that's different IMO, but it's also their *money*. In an ideal world everyone is educated on local prices and customs, and nobody overpays. However, I wouldn't expect every international patron to know market prices and not fall victim to being upsold when they can barely speak English. It's the same aspect of 'tourists' in any country. I think over time after you've learned from multiple trips or research you get a better sense.

I respect the locals and am grateful for the existence of the FKK scene and everything involved to make this experience a reality. I'm just a bit more pragmatic in believing that it's wishful thinking to expect these girls not to upsell given their circumstances. They're in this business to make money. We are there for pleasure. Two fundamentally different motives. Bring any guy into a Strip Club for the first time and tell me they're going to care about getting ripped off. The same applies to first time mongers in the FKK Scene. We can spread the message and educate folks, and choose not to partake with the girls upselling, but that's about it.

Be respectful, don't overpay, but most importantly enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.

Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.

Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]My hats off to the German locals and deep respect for all the work to make the FKK scene a reality for us international mongers.

I'm a believer in paying for services rendered as well, and choose to opt for a 100 E /60 M session instead of haggling for a 50 E /30 M session. However, if they were to raise their price upon my next trip and say 150 E /60 M with DFK / BBBJ I'd try to at least bargain downwards based off past experiences. I'd at least want an extra like CIM or A. If unsuccessful I'd be upset momentarily, but would likely be forced to reconcile those differences and pay the higher rate. Traveling on a cross country flight and turning down a session over 50 euros doesn't quite make sense.

Tipping extra is different IMO, and I'm fine with an extra 10-20 E but it varies per person.

If you're a first time monger or international who can't speak English I doubt there's much that can be done to prevent them from overpaying other than their own experiences. Locals are entitled to the price inflation not being absurd due to gullible and inept tourists. Although FKK Sharks is a business, and the girls working there have a natural motive to make as much as they can in as little time as possible. Whereas patrons who enter the establishment are seeking pleasure and will pay what they can afford. It's wishful thinking to expect people not to overpay IMO. I'm not trying to cause inflation for locals, but I am trying to enjoy myself.

Be respectful, try not to overpay, but enjoy yourself. There's more to life than simply worrying over things out of your control.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.

Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.

Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]I agree pay for services rendered. I'm more of a fan of 100 E /60 M, but I'd expect at least DFK / BBBJ to be included. My hats off to the German locals and I'm grateful for everything that has happened to make FKK a reality.

Aside from mongers being more educated about negotiating down girls for standard services at market rates, there isn't much that can be done to address price inflation. You'll still have first time mongers and tourists who have no clue on what market rates are until they get price gouged on a couple of experiences. Americans and people who decide to tip extra for a great experience will still occur. Thinking more pragmatically there's a natural dynamic between the girls and guys and as long as supply and demand is there the market forces will work. 50 euros pre-pandemic might've been the standard, but nobody can guarantee that price and services like DFK / BBBJ will stay the same over the next 5-10 years.

End of the day be respectful, be grateful, and enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.

Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.

Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Mursenary is absolutely correct.

The newbie foreigners are disrupting the FKK ecosystem.

The FKK price of 50/ Marks now Euro for 30 minutes has been the culture.

Germany inflation rate has allowed Seniors over age 60 to continue to enjoy Life.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.

Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.

Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Precisely. I always avoid upselling at sharks by letting the girl know that I want a long, unhurried session, and then test the waters with drinks and couch time before heading up to the zimmer. Works for me every time. GFE extraordinaire.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2573499]Precisely. I always avoid upselling at sharks by letting the girl know that I want a long, unhurried session, and then test the waters with drinks and couch time before heading up to the zimmer. Works for me every time. GFE extraordinaire.[/QUOTE]That's actually a nice reminder for myself. The best girls where the ones who interviewed ME prior to the room over coffee or a cocktail. Even if only for a 1 hour room, the session always turned out well after doing this.

[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573254]Are you waiting for UK travelers to be allowed back into Germany?[/QUOTE]No I'm USA and waiting to have an experience similar to pre-covid visits.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2573360]I was always shocked to see how many (relatively young guys) she managed to 'score.'

Are people really that dumb, drunk, or have such poor taste?[/QUOTE]As all good sales people know it's a numbers game. She is relentless in her pursuit. I've never taken her of couse but still she continues to ask me every few hours.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2573360]I was always shocked to see how many (relatively young guys) she managed to 'score.'

Are people really that dumb, drunk, or have such poor taste?[/QUOTE]I saw Sylvana getting some of the best looking youngest guys and was amazed to see most going downstairs with banana on face. Maybe from geriatric sex, really feeling full naked inside old pussy, or screaming like a little dog from prostate massage. She is able to hunt from 11 am to 4 am, superwoman.

How many guys are telling that they have a small dick, they can t be hard and that they are a very bad lover. It is the same for the German mongers, they are saying they just paying 50 and get so much service. I can tell you this is mostly wrong. Many German mongers are overpaying the girls, give them gifts, invite them for holidays, restaurants. Some even have their second wife in the clubs, or are booking them for full days. I will also give you another info, when new girls are coming to FKK the boss of the FKK will contact the best clients to inform them, it is the same for the escort agencies in order to keep the best clients they will tell you when a new girl is there so you can be the first customer before she got overfucked.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573433]A good way to be generous /"compassionate" without fucking it up for others, especially the locals (whose contribution to checking price creep I greatly appreciate), is to pay for services rendered.

Instead of giving the girl extra, pay for a longer session. Or opt for an extra like CIM or Anal.

Respect the locals and their customs. Don't be the reason why many locals don't appreciate the international guys hurting the scene.[/QUOTE]Asians are said to be giving girls too much money.

But that's because Asians aren't familiar with market prices.

The receptionist also did not explain the system.

As a result, well-known Asian hunters like Vanessa have deceived Asians and robbed them of high prices, and the evidence now shows many reports of their damage.

I want you to know that Asians don't want to break the market, they don't like to pay high prices.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573502]That's actually a nice reminder for myself. The best girls where the ones who interviewed ME prior to the room over coffee or a cocktail. Even if only for a 1 hour room, the session always turned out well after doing this.[/QUOTE]This has always been my strategy ever since I first started going to FKK shops several years ago.

Although not fool proof I've rarely made a misjudgment & on the few occasions I have I made my excuses and cut the booking down to 30 minutes / €50.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2573554]As all good sales people know it's a numbers game. She is relentless in her pursuit. I've never taken her of couse but still she continues to ask me every few hours.[/QUOTE]Same here, unfortunately there is only one method that works with her: be quite rude, only then she will remember.

After refusing her on previous visits, after being asked every 30 minutes at Sharks on another day, I made is crystal clear to her that I would never room with her. When she saw me again in GT about a year later, she went: "oh, you again!" and walked away. She'll remember when she wants to, you just have to 'motivate' her a little bit. LOL!

I don't like being rude to an honest but ugly WG who simply wants to make a living but who does not meet my criteria to room with her, but sadly Sylvana's hyper-aggressive way of baiting suckers was simply too annoying for me.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2573415]Some amount of resentment is understandable. The locals feel that they fought hard (legislatively and otherwise) for monger rights and to establish clubs with certain service levels. Guys from other countries invade these clubs and do not pay attention to the local prices and spoil the girls, destroy the pricing standards set in place. Foreigners come and go but the locals who had hoped to benefit from the fruits of their hard work are now left with a bungled pricing system, greedy girls with bad habits, and continuously declining standards.

It is like you cleaned up your local beach and then a bunch of spoiled children invaded the beach and spilled trash all over and the cleaning is left to you except these spoiled kids keep invading every day.

I am a foreigner and I have that entitled attitude as well and throw my money around but I can perfectly understand I am destroying a system (with my occasional thoughtless actions) that was won due to the hard work of the locals..[/QUOTE]When the first FKK Clubs started around millennium, they would have 100 German mark per 30 min. Atlantis for example. With the introduction of the Euro this was translated into 50€.

This is 20 years ago and 50€ today would probably translate into 25 German Mark only.

During the millennium, girls from eastern European countries (not only Romanians) were taking advantage of the high rate and the selection of girls in a club was excellent. The men were also different. Only those who could affords it were going there.

With the opening of more clubs, more competition came into play and the prices stayed stable. In fact it became a lot cheaper over years due to inflation.

We need an elite club which charges 100€ entrance and 100€/30 min as standard to attract the best girls!

I do not know why I should share the best girls in a club with those who can not afford it.

In any case the current prices and service levels are no achievement by anybody except market competition.

They should be increased to be fair to the girls.

How were the first two nights? Can anyone report on how many girls there were and their quality?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2573554]As all good sales people know it's a numbers game. She is relentless in her pursuit. I've never taken her of couse but still she continues to ask me every few hours.[/QUOTE]I have always been civil to her and never roughly brushed her off but that may have been a mistake, the last time I refused her which was for the zillionth time she got angry at me.

[QUOTE=SobeLizard;2573498]Mursenary is absolutely correct.

The newbie foreigners are disrupting the FKK ecosystem.

The FKK price of 50/ Marks now Euro for 30 minutes has been the culture.

Germany inflation rate has allowed Seniors over age 60 to continue to enjoy Life.[/QUOTE]We foreigners must be sympathetic to the German mongers who have been quite courteous to us. The locals visit quite often and on a regular basis and can hardly afford to pay too much. On the other hand foreigners generally visit for a short period of time and can readily afford to splurge. It is important for us to keep in mind our local counterparts when we get the urge to squander.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2573553]No I'm USA and waiting to have an experience similar to pre-covid visits.[/QUOTE]Thought you might be UK based and in a similar position to myself.

You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce. They just don't have the holiday time to travel for long periods. 2 x 8-12 hour flights plus travel to and from the airport is normally too much for most who might try to consider a long weekend trip.

Most of the North Americans I have met have been based in Europe or occasionally have been visiting on business. It sometimes amazes me how many posting in Germany FKK are from the US and travel from the US.

With so many guys based in North American it certainly baffles me that no one is posting about the number one issue. Perhaps these guys are primarily on the keyboard and simply do not come but once in a blue moon and simply do not know. I guess they will figure it out in time. I am sure you are aware and good that you can travel.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2573744]We foreigners must be sympathetic to the German mongers who have been quite courteous to us. The locals visit quite often and on a regular basis and can hardly afford to pay too much. On the other hand foreigners generally visit for a short period of time and can readily afford to splurge. It is important for us to keep in mind our local counterparts when we get the urge to squander.[/QUOTE]Germans are not able to give enough business to WGs, same like Swiss in Switzerland. Some foreigners visit more often than Germans or even locals. At LR, no German could compete with me, as long I decided to go with superstar. More and more Balkanians making business, buying bottles, good for clubs, less for girls to go with drunk.

[QUOTE=Canary;2573617]This has always been my strategy ever since I first started going to FKK shops several years ago.[/QUOTE]Could any can one comment on Line Up, Quality, Nationality, Percentage of Returning girls v / s New Girls, Ratings 1 to 10, Young v / s Old, and Service Facror (not so important at least for now).

Price is always a personal preference and service and how deep your pocket is. No offense but there is always a balance and there is always something for everyone may be you are not the first one to get day virgin. If you prefer that than you have to pay.

[QUOTE=RichCandyMan;2573782]Could any can one comment on Line Up, Quality, Nationality, Percentage of Returning girls v / s New Girls, Ratings 1 to 10, Young v / s Old, and Service Facror (not so important at least for now).

Price is always a personal preference and service and how deep your pocket is. No offense but there is always a balance and there is always something for everyone may be you are not the first one to get day virgin. If you prefer that than you have to pay.[/QUOTE]My friend said lineup improved on Saturday. More girls arrived and a combination of new girls and returning girls. Girls upsold more during the re-opening compared to pre-pandemic. He mentioned that now that there's more supply the upselling should even out.

Still the usual Romanian lineup he mentioned 30+ on day 1 and 40+ on day 2. Not sure on any other specifics. He tried Oase for a bit they had around 30 girls but better lineup was at Sharks.

[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573756]Thought you might be UK based and in a similar position to myself.

You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce. They just don't have the holiday time to travel for long periods. 2 x 8-12 hour flights plus travel to and from the airport is normally too much for most who might try to consider a long weekend trip.

Most of the North Americans I have met have been based in Europe or occasionally have been visiting on business. It sometimes amazes me how many posting in Germany FKK are from the US and travel from the US.

With so many guys based in North American it certainly baffles me that no one is posting about the number one issue. Perhaps these guys are primarily on the keyboard and simply do not come but once in a blue moon and simply do not know. I guess they will figure it out in time. I am sure you are aware and good that you can travel.[/QUOTE]"You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce."

Where do you get this? Total BS.

[QUOTE=Toto001;2573686]When the first FKK Clubs started around millennium, they would have 100 German mark per 30 min. Atlantis for example. With the introduction of the Euro this was translated into 50.

This is 20 years ago and 50 today would probably translate into 25 German Mark only.

During the millennium, girls from eastern European countries (not only Romanians) were taking advantage of the high rate and the selection of girls in a club was excellent. The men were also different. Only those who could affords it were going there.

With the opening of more clubs, more competition came into play and the prices stayed stable. In fact it became a lot cheaper over years due to inflation..[/QUOTE]It is about destroying a pricing system that the locals worked hard to establish.

"In any case the current prices and service levels are no achievement by anybody except market competition. ".

Is that so? Why don't you organize to get these clubs set up in your own country and pay them as you please? Does market competition cease to exist in the boundaries of your native country?

You are a guest in their country and acting arrogant and screwing it up for the guys who made it possible in the first place.

If you have so much money, take more hours, more extras. Do 5 girls at a time if you please. You are rich and swimming in money as you say, so why not?

When outsiders destroy a pricing system that the locals worked to get in place, they are quite justified in banning all foreigners into their clubs.

Yes, there has been inflation. Not a huge amount but some. But it is up to the locals to adjust and upgrade prices when they see fit.

As someone pointed out, go the Swiss clubs if you please. But respect the local pricing systems and the guys who set them up.

[QUOTE=RichCandyMan;2573782]Could any can one comment on Line Up, Quality, Nationality, Percentage of Returning girls v / s New Girls, Ratings 1 to 10, Young v / s Old, and Service Facror (not so important at least for now).

Price is always a personal preference and service and how deep your pocket is. No offense but there is always a balance and there is always something for everyone may be you are not the first one to get day virgin. If you prefer that than you have to pay.[/QUOTE]Here was the Line Up on Saturday.

Dahely Nunez.

Anisha Sandhu.

Ajok Madel.

Hayley Ashton.

Barbara Valente.

Yilan Hua.

Nikki McGuire.

Malika El Maslouhi.

Get your Ass (Hole) on the Dance Floor and Dance Dance Dance.

[QUOTE=Toto001;2573686]When the first FKK Clubs started around millennium, they would have 100 German mark per 30 min. Atlantis for example. With the introduction of the Euro this was translated into 50.

This is 20 years ago and 50 today would probably translate into 25 German Mark only.

During the millennium, girls from eastern European countries (not only Romanians) were taking advantage of the high rate and the selection of girls in a club was excellent. The men were also different. Only those who could affords it were going there.

With the opening of more clubs, more competition came into play and the prices stayed stable. In fact it became a lot cheaper over years due to inflation.

We need an elite club which charges 100 entrance and 100/30 min as standard to attract the best girls!

I do not know why I should share the best girls in a club with those who can not afford it.

In any case the current prices and service levels are no achievement by anybody except market competition.

They should be increased to be fair to the girls.[/QUOTE]I think to remember I was told 50 marks /30 became 50 €/30 mn. I agree elegant beauties worth more expensive for me than average looks. I don't want to pay for looks who would not attract me outside.

Let's focus on Sharks lineup and any intel around the girls working currently.

Regulars in the Past 2019-2020 Lineup:

1. Ruby.

2. Kika.

3. Vivian.

4. Vanilla.

5. Lily.

6. Regina.

7. Zeynep.

8. Cora.

9. Corina.

10. Scarlett.

11. Emma.

12. Inca.

13. Brenda.

14. Ester.

15. Marlyn.

16. Evita.

17. Melissa.

18. Denise.

19. Loredana.

20. Sandra.

21. Elif.

22. Amalia.

23. Jessica.

24. Cheyenne.

25. Kyra.

26. Betty.

27. Cosmina.

28. Helli.

29. Serena.

30. Selina.

31. Anca.

32. Abi.

33. Mila.

34. Paloma.

35. Melanie.

36. Anastacia.

37. Vanessa.

38. Alma.

39. Loretta.

40. Alma.

41. Aimee.

42. Monica.

43. Helen.

44. Amanda.

45. Esra.

46. Elizabetta.

47. Sabrina.

48. Alina.

49. Connie.

50. Roxy.

If people have insights into any regulars working please share. As for new girls on the lineup that would be helpful too!

[QUOTE=Toto001;2573686]With the opening of more clubs, more competition came into play and the prices stayed stable. In fact it became a lot cheaper over years due to inflation.

We need an elite club which charges 100 entrance and 100/30 min as standard to attract the best girls!

I do not know why I should share the best girls in a club with those who can not afford it..[/QUOTE]Austria (Babylon in Vienna) and Switzerland await for you. Basically you'll pay twice the price (at least) for the same thing.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2573823]I don't know why some ISG users hate Asians or foreigners so much. Doesn't make any sense.

Asians' huge money actually maintain the FKK industries in Germany. Otherwise, locals money won't able to attract enough quantities and quality Romanian girls. Without Asians or America rich tourists, I believe most young girls will not come back or stay. The consequence is to left only old and ugly MILFs for locals. 50 per session.[/QUOTE]At Oase, desk say rate is 50/30 and extra are to negotiate with girls, but many Asians are fucked 150 for 10/15 mn with 1 baby kiss and some even with CIM in condom, finished before starting to fuck, saving vagina as say girls. Girls like easy, fast, small tool Asians business, some are even specialized in this business, like Evita or Elen.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2573823]I don't know why some ISG users hate Asians or foreigners so much. Doesn't make any sense.

Asians' huge money actually maintain the FKK industries in Germany. Otherwise, locals money won't able to attract enough quantities and quality Romanian girls. Without Asians or America rich tourists, I believe most young girls will not come back or stay. The consequence is to left only old and ugly MILFs for locals. 50 per session.[/QUOTE]You must be one of those who judges an industry by looking at only the tourist traps. There are hundreds of FKKs all over Germany, Austria and Switzerland, and except for few tourist traps like Sharks, Oase, Palace or Artemis, most FKKs see maybe 1 or 2 Asians or tourists in any given day. So your assumptions that FKKs cannot survive without tourists is a total bull crap. In fact the FKK industry started and flourished without Asian or tourist money. Some tourists (not all) by paying too much are just fucking up the wonderful market dynamics created and maintained by the locals. Read up some history and you will know.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2573825]It is about destroying a pricing system that the locals worked hard to establish.

"In any case the current prices and service levels are no achievement by anybody except market competition. ".

Is that so? Why don't you organize to get these clubs set up in your own country and pay them as you please? Does market competition cease to exist in the boundaries of your native country?

You are a guest in their country and acting arrogant and screwing it up for the guys who made it possible in the first place.

If you have so much money, take more hours, more extras. Do 5 girls at a time if you please. You are rich and swimming in money as you say, so why not?

When outsiders destroy a pricing system that the locals worked to get in place, they are quite justified in banning all foreigners into their clubs.

Yes, there has been inflation. Not a huge amount but some. But it is up to the locals to adjust and upgrade prices when they see fit.

As someone pointed out, go the Swiss clubs if you please. But respect the local pricing systems and the guys who set them up.[/QUOTE]Exactly! I absolutely agree with you on this.

Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up.

A maximum of 3 people are allowed in the indoor sauna, so no Dieter and sauna time. Mask control only applies to the house staff, no one pays much attention when the guests strut around without a mask. You can of course take the mask off while sitting.

I was hoping that after a long time something might change in the kitchen, but no still the same as before. Work is ongoing in the outside area.

The usual suspects were also there; it was great to renew old acquaintanceships again.

Then I went with a new girl. From hearing and saying she was noodled by at least a dozen guys today, but I still thought she was pretty cute. Nico was her name, about early 20's, about 1. 60 m on stilts which were so high that she fell down almost after every step. Back-length brown hair, sweet face, some baby fat, horny, beautiful see-size naturals.

Her first club, but her German was too good to be new to this business. Requested a surcharge for kisses and some other things. At least I was allowed to lick her tits. Blowjob was very hard and a bit monotonous. An ok session.

The influx of tripods did not stop. I decided to leave soon enough after the session. The LU is sure to get better soon. See you then!

HB.

[QUOTE=RichCandyMan;2573782]Could any can one comment on Line Up, Quality, Nationality, Percentage of Returning girls v / s New Girls, Ratings 1 to 10, Young v / s Old, and Service Facror (not so important at least for now).

Price is always a personal preference and service and how deep your pocket is. No offense but there is always a balance and there is always something for everyone may be you are not the first one to get day virgin. If you prefer that than you have to pay.[/QUOTE]Someone posted 18 girls name in lustscout. Not sure if I am allowed to copy the list here. It seems Most girls had been in Sharks before pandemic.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2573823]I don't know why some ISG users hate Asians or foreigners so much. Doesn't make any sense.

Asians' huge money actually maintain the FKK industries in Germany. Otherwise, locals money won't able to attract enough quantities and quality Romanian girls. Without Asians or America rich tourists, I believe most young girls will not come back or stay. The consequence is to left only old and ugly MILFs for locals. 50 per session.[/QUOTE]Can't say I agree. The scene was pretty good before 2010 when few Americans and Asian tourists were in the clubs.

On the flip, while Americans and Asians often do overpay or overtip, there just are not enough of them / us to warrant the scapegoating. It's easy to blame Asians tourist because they are very visible and when a bus load arrives, girls do salivate and attack. But they are not there every day and certainly not in large numbers enough to justify "maintain the FKK industry". I don't see Americans getting much blame on the German forums, only on here because there are more American posters.

The change from 10 years ago that I see which is not as often discussed, is the increased number of Turkish-German patrons. I don't think they over pay, but they do demand less from a standard session.

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2573892]Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up.

A maximum of 3 people are allowed in the indoor sauna, so no Dieter and sauna time. Mask control only applies to the house staff, no one pays much attention when the guests strut around without a mask. You can of course take the mask off while sitting.

I was hoping that after a long time something might change in the kitchen, but no still the same as before. Work is ongoing in the outside area..[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for this! Glad to know you had a good time.

How does the food section work? Do you got to pay extra to eat?

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2573892]Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up.

A maximum of 3 people are allowed in the indoor sauna, so no Dieter and sauna time. Mask control only applies to the house staff, no one pays much attention when the guests strut around without a mask. You can of course take the mask off while sitting.

I was hoping that after a long time something might change in the kitchen, but no still the same as before. Work is ongoing in the outside area.

The usual suspects were also there; it was great to renew old acquaintanceships again.

Then I went with a new girl. From hearing and saying she was noodled by at least a dozen guys today, but I still thought she was pretty cute. Nico was her name, about early 20's, about 1. 60 m on stilts which were so high that she fell down almost after every step. Back-length brown hair, sweet face, some baby fat, horny, beautiful see-size naturals.

Her first club, but her German was too good to be new to this business. Requested a surcharge for kisses and some other things. At least I was allowed to lick her tits. Blowjob was very hard and a bit monotonous. An ok session.

The influx of tripods did not stop. I decided to leave soon enough after the session. The LU is sure to get better soon. See you then!

HB.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2573744]We foreigners must be sympathetic to the German mongers who have been quite courteous to us. The locals visit quite often and on a regular basis and can hardly afford to pay too much. On the other hand foreigners generally visit for a short period of time and can readily afford to splurge. It is important for us to keep in mind our local counterparts when we get the urge to squander.[/QUOTE]If international mongers choose to go to Sharks this summer and pay 150 EUR per 60 minutes, then that is their prerogative. If you agree to that higher price, you should be more selective: do one room instead of three. Most international mongers reject at a 97 percent rate. Instead of just flatly telling the WG "No". Ask her what her price is. When she quotes you 150 EUR per 60 minutes, just feign a disappointed look and say "Maybe later", turn your back to her and walk away. The real reason you are rejecting her is because she is not attractive enough, but she does NOT need to know that. As a public service, do this 30 times per night. Approach some WGs you have zero interest in sessioning with, and reject them on the grounds of their pricing being too high.

Perfect excuse to explore some other options. Wellcum is 140 EUR per hour. You can stay on-premises, gorge on the best food in FKK land, and get a BBBJ in your hotel room while on a Zoom call. Why not go there? Go to Switzerland. Explore NRW. A lot of international mongers do two trips per year. If a year from now, 150 per 60 minutes becomes the norm in Darmstadt, then we should accept it. I just think accepting 150 per 60 min as the "market rate" during summer of 2020 is a little premature. Just a few weeks ago, Melissa and Helen, two Sharks superstars, were charging 150 EUR per hour incall. That price is acceptable for incall (even in 2012 this was the market rate for incall). But in a FKK club, where one is forced to pay 50-65 EUR entry and we have a meat market of other options, the rates should be lower.

As an aside, most of the Americans I have met are probably in the 80-95th percentile. $250 K per year is not exactly rich. What they share in common is a dedication to the hobby, as evidenced by their willingness to travel across an ocean. Many are single bachelors with no offspring and no alimony to pay. And if they are age 50 or older, they might have received some inheritance. These mongers spend probably a third (or more) of their disposable income on the hobby. Contrast that to locals who come from every income bracket and generally have lower dedication to the hobby.

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2573892]Hello guys,

Yes who would have thought, now the holy FKK Sharks has finally opened its doors again. I enter the hallowed halls and first fall on my knees and kiss the floor. Madonna Mia!

I arrive in the evening and of course had to park outside. Checked in the anteroom beside the entrance, I. E. Recovered, vaccinated or something like that with photo ID. Then a few steps further to the reception desk. Hand over 50 and then you sign yourself on a list where everyone should leave their name. Data protection sends its regards! I was told at reception that there were about 30 women in the house today.

Inside, of course, almost only three-legged friends, but at least there were a few hotties who got nailed in uninterrupted fashion. Melissa with the red bob already stands out as a supermodel. Some well-known Shark girls, but of course by no means the old standard line-up..[/QUOTE]Just want to compliment you on the great report and information. Sure makes a super change from all the argument about Covid, financial matters and all subjects which have nothing to do women and FKK Sauna clubs.

I was in Sharks same evening. Interestingly while waiting outside for a friend to catch up I observed two cars with Romanian number plates arrive. Each car deposited two working girls with luggage to the club. They looked like they had just arrived. I did not see the girls again in the club but then its sometimes difficult to recognize these ladies when they have their clothes off!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574083]If international mongers choose to go to Sharks this summer and pay 150 EUR per 60 minutes, then that is their prerogative. If you agree to that higher price, you should be more selective: do one room instead of three. (Summarized: As a public service, reject some girls you would never go with to give them a reality check)

Perfect excuse to explore some other options.

I just think accepting 150 per 60 min as the "market rate" is a little premature. Just a few weeks ago, Melissa and Helen, two Sharks superstars, were charging 150 EUR per hour incall. That price is acceptable for incall (even in 2012 this was the market rate for incall). But in a FKK club, where one is forced to pay 50-65 EUR entry and we have a meat market of other options, the rates should be lower.[/QUOTE]Sneaky little schemer. But not a bad idea to send the message that the 50 euro up charge is unacceptable. I'd be okay if just change the half hour rate to 60 e. Seems fair in keeping up with rising salaries in Germany. Upping to basically 75 per half HR is ludicrous. But yeah, if paying those rates, going to Austria or Switzerland is highly encouraged. At the very least, make sure you get an acceptable extra like CIM when paying 150/ HR.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574083]As an aside, most of the Americans I have met are probably in the 80-95th percentile. $250 K per year is not exactly rich. What they share in common is a dedication to the hobby, as evidenced by their willingness to travel across an ocean. Many are single bachelors with no offspring and no alimony to pay. And if they are age 50 or older, they might have received some inheritance. These mongers spend probably a third (or more) of their disposable income on the hobby. Contrast that to locals who come from every income bracket and generally have lower dedication to the hobby.[/QUOTE]Man, you have a tough definition of rich. 250 K USD puts a household in the top 6% of one of the richest nations on earth. By extension / extrapolation / estimation, an individual salary of 250 K USD likely puts you in the top 2-4% of one of the richest nations on earth, easily top 1%or even top 0. 1% in the world right? I suppose wealth should also factor into this definition of rich.

[URL]https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/tables/hinc-06/2020/hinc06.xlsx[/URL]

(7. 800.000 households out of 128.000. 000 total households making over $250 K).

P.S. The question of what is top 1% or 10% varies greatly so I stuck to US Census numbers.

I think the one third of the income on mongering might be a gross overestimate. I mean, I say I'm one of the more frequent fly in guys from overseas averaging somewhere around 50 club days a year (essentially 1 day a week dispersed over an entire year). And my annual expenditure is only around 25 K USD annual. My guess is that the average American in an FKK makes well over 75 K per year. I do travel with frugality opting for cheap flights, cheap hotels, or no hotel at all, but at my frequency, I doubt that the average fly in America visits even half as much to put their spending as close to mine.

Let's say this, on the low end, if an 80 percentiler brings in $150 K and spends $50 K on the hobby, that's either a lot of anal / rim jobs or they're flying first class and staying at a lot of JW Marriots. Perhaps the true addicts spend that much, either the average American monger spends a lot less than one third or make a lot less than $150 K.

[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573756]Thought you might be UK based and in a similar position to myself.

You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce. They just don't have the holiday time to travel for long periods. 2 x 8-12 hour flights plus travel to and from the airport is normally too much for most who might try to consider a long weekend trip.

Most of the North Americans I have met have been based in Europe or occasionally have been visiting on business. It sometimes amazes me how many posting in Germany FKK are from the US and travel from the US.

With so many guys based in North American it certainly baffles me that no one is posting about the number one issue. Perhaps these guys are primarily on the keyboard and simply do not come but once in a blue moon and simply do not know. I guess they will figure it out in time. I am sure you are aware and good that you can travel.[/QUOTE]Got to agree with ya. I'm a US citizen myself although living near Germany and have been FKKing for the best part of 2 decades. Primarily the big clubs. Although I do meet fellow countrymen from time to time, the majority are either service men stationed in Germany or guys based in Germany due to work. Have not come across many who travel across the pond on a regular basis. Just too far and too much hassle. There are many places closer and located on the correct continent.

Linda Evangelista.

Naomi Campbell.

Christy Turlington.

Cindy Crawford.

Claudia Schiffer.

Tatjana Patitz.

Kate Moss.

Tyra Banks.

Heidi Klum.

Kimora Lee Simmons.

Carla Bruni Sarkozy.

Amber Valletta.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574196]Sneaky little schemer. But not a bad idea to send the message that the 50 euro up charge is unacceptable.[/QUOTE]Point is to make the WGs believe that you were seriously considering a room with her, but the high price dissuaded you at that last moment. Only downside is many WGs may lower their asking price immediately, 30 minutes later, or two days later. And then you get harassed when they are desperate for business. But remember you told them, "maybe later". Just tell them that they missed out, because you already spent that money. Or you changed your mind.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574196]I think the one third of the income on mongering might be a gross overestimate.[/QUOTE]According to graph, I believe $100 K puts you in the 85th percentile: [URL]https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/[/URL].

After-tax income on $100 K is between $66-76 K depending on the state or city: [URL]https://moneywise.com/managing-money/taxes/take-home-pay-from-a-100000-salary[/URL].

Spending $22-25 K on the hobby is probably an over-estimate but I think mongers especially those over the age of 50 are able and willing to do that. Like I said, if they have inherited money or property from their parents and are childless, they can probably afford to spend a higher percentage. Throw in a health scare, and then it becomes a game of how much money can they spend in the next 10-20 years because they can't take that money to the grave with them.

Regretfully I cannot get to Sharks at the moment and I was wondering if the lucky ones who have already been can answer a few questions please?

1: Are the girls expecting their friends & colleagues to return to Sharks?

2: What improvements have there been at the club, there were stories of the old kino rooms being updated and the caves upstairs?

3: Have the showers improved?

4: Is it still very smoky?

Thanks.

I hope to return to the club as soon as I can.

I went to Sharks again last Saturday at 2 pm. When I walked in there was no woman to be seen in the bar area! Immediately went outside to enjoy the good weather at the pool, because I saw the first lady, namely the little Bonita from the Philippines.

Later at 4 pm, of course other women arrived. I counted around 20 women in the bar area. A pretty Romanian girl with silicone tits and lipstick lips caught my eye when I went back inside.

Later that evening I went to the room with her, her name is Aliya and she used to work in Wellcum. She had brown hair and as far as age is concerned I would estimate almost 30 (definitely over 25), thin girl, tattoo on her arm (can't remember what, sorry). A quick chat at the bar, and after 5 minutes we go into the room which was my mistake.

I should have asked what she does and under what conditions. In fact, when we were on the mattress and slowly stroking each other, she told me that she asked for 50 euro extra for DFK. Since I didn't want to pay 50 euro extra, I decided on the closed lips variant. So no DFK, but I have to say that she did very well with Little Jimmy and despite the rubber my cock got hard immediately! She blows deep and slow, and the sex was okay in and of itself. I was ready to leave the room after about 20 minutes!

From 9 pm, maybe 40 women in total in the club, which is still not a lot, we hope that 50 more will arrive very soon!

I will definitely go to Sharks soon gain, let's see how it develops.

According to posts in lustscout, WGs currently charge:

30 min sauna club standard 100.

60 min sauna club standard 150.

Now there are barely any foreigners, rich Americans and Asian around the club.

Who could be scapegoats for price increment?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2573602]How many guys are telling that they have a small dick, they can t be hard and that they are a very bad lover. It is the same for the German mongers, they are saying they just paying 50 and get so much service. I can tell you this is mostly wrong. Many German mongers are overpaying the girls, give them gifts, invite them for holidays, restaurants. Some even have their second wife in the clubs, or are booking them for full days. I will also give you another info, when new girls are coming to FKK the boss of the FKK will contact the best clients to inform them, it is the same for the escort agencies in order to keep the best clients they will tell you when a new girl is there so you can be the first customer before she got overfucked.[/QUOTE]Thank you for an excellent and honest post! That makes total sense. I have lived in Germany for a long time so I know that what you're saying is true. This is especially true in the smaller clubs where locals visit. This 50 euros for everything is a nice story but that's it. If you see a girl every day for 5 hours for 500 even though the half-hourly rate might still be 50/30 its not fair to compare the service you're getting to someone who sees her once a year on his travels to 50/30!

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2574274]According to posts in lustscout, WGs currently charge:
30 min sauna club standard 100.
60 min sauna club standard 150.
Now there are barely any foreigners, rich Americans and Asian around the club.
Who could be scapegoats for price increment?[/QUOTE]Don't worry, you can always find Frenchs, Belgians or Swiss willing to overpay.

Been a white knight is not going to get you any more pussy. Now that they just open up, thing are not normal. If there is not enough girl and too many guys, the law of market dictate that the girl can and will charge more. But when thing go back to normal, IE. The ratio of guy to girl are the same as pre-covid, and us guy are less desperate. The price will go back to normal. Pre-covid, I paid 50 for 30 min and 60 for 1 HR.

Now it is true that these girl go after Asian guy. I'm a California Asian guy. I remember my first time Sharks. An Italian girl smell new blood and ask for 2000 euro for 1 hour. "You are on vacation, why not just spend the money and have fun" LOL. I laugh so hard. Because I post a message on this forum asking what the price and services is. Thank you to all the people for answering my post.

And when I sit at the bar and talk to fellow Asian guy. I always tell them. Hey dude, the German guy here hate us Asian. We pay too much and demand very little. Causing the price to go up and the German rightful hate. The girl hate it when I talk to other Asian guys. When, I went to a room with this girl Ruby or Rudy "I think" blonde hair with glasses. We cross path with some girl. Rudy told me, those girl just say" don't go with him, he is an asshole" but she smile with a semi-evil look and say "I'm selfish, I don't give a shit, I just care about me".

To my fellow German guy" when you see an Asian, chat with them a little and tell them how thing work and what they can get.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574083]If international mongers choose to go to Sharks this summer and pay 150 EUR per 60 minutes, then that is their prerogative. If you agree to that higher price, you should be more selective: do one room instead of three. Most international mongers reject at a 97 percent rate. Instead of just flatly telling the WG "No". Ask her what her price is. When she quotes you 150 EUR per 60 minutes, just feign a disappointed look and say "Maybe later", turn your back to her and walk away. The real reason you are rejecting her is because she is not attractive enough, but she does NOT need to know that. As a public service, do this 30 times per night. Approach some WGs you have zero interest in sessioning with, and reject them on the grounds of their pricing being too high.

Perfect excuse to explore some other options. Wellcum is 140 EUR per hour. You can stay on-premises, gorge on the best food in FKK land, and get a BBBJ in your hotel room while on a Zoom call. Why not go there? Go to Switzerland. Explore NRW. A lot of international mongers do two trips per year. If a year from now, 150 per 60 minutes becomes the norm in Darmstadt, then we should accept it. I just think accepting 150 per 60 min as the "market rate" during summer of 2020 is a little premature. Just a few weeks ago, Melissa and Helen, two Sharks superstars, were charging 150 EUR per hour incall. That price is acceptable for incall (even in 2012 this was the market rate for incall). But in a FKK club, where one is forced to pay 50-65 EUR entry and we have a meat market of other options, the rates should be lower.

As an aside, most of the Americans I have met are probably in the 80-95th percentile. $250 K per year is not exactly rich. What they share in common is a dedication to the hobby, as evidenced by their willingness to travel across an ocean. Many are single bachelors with no offspring and no alimony to pay. And if they are age 50 or older, they might have received some inheritance. These mongers spend probably a third (or more) of their disposable income on the hobby. Contrast that to locals who come from every income bracket and generally have lower dedication to the hobby.[/QUOTE]Indeed, vote with your wallet (better avoid this club at all, then the message is even more clear!

It worked in Babylon, where some of the price increases are already reversed in the second week after re-opening!

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2574260]I went to Sharks again last Saturday at 2 pm. When I walked in there was no woman to be seen in the bar area! Immediately went outside to enjoy the good weather at the pool, because I saw the first lady, namely the little Bonita from the Philippines.

Later at 4 pm, of course other women arrived. I counted around 20 women in the bar area. A pretty Romanian girl with silicone tits and lipstick lips caught my eye when I went back inside.

Later that evening I went to the room with her, her name is Aliya and she used to work in Wellcum. She had brown hair and as far as age is concerned I would estimate almost 30 (definitely over 25), thin girl, tattoo on her arm (can't remember what, sorry). A quick chat at the bar, and after 5 minutes we go into the room which was my mistake.

I should have asked what she does and under what conditions. In fact, when we were on the mattress and slowly stroking each other, she told me that she asked for 50 euro extra for DFK. Since I didn't want to pay 50 euro extra, I decided on the closed lips variant. So no DFK, but I have to say that she did very well with Little Jimmy and despite the rubber my cock got hard immediately! She blows deep and slow, and the sex was okay in and of itself. I was ready to leave the room after about 20 minutes!

From 9 pm, maybe 40 women in total in the club, which is still not a lot, we hope that 50 more will arrive very soon!

I will definitely go to Sharks soon gain, let's see how it develops.[/QUOTE]When a girl tells you she worked at Wellcum, meaning with not demanding Italians, then not a quality reference. Got a quite pretty ex Globe girl at Cleo. Ch, low level for sex, couldn't even full enter in her little girl vagina. Was introduced by Megan who wanted I find a girl, to a new Globe girl, really lovely, but proposing 80/30 menu without kissing and guys at Globe go with her, when she looks like a woman among porn dolls, I told her I respect, but didn't go for low level service. Globe clients are not so demanding according to her. I don't even pay 40/30 if not kissing, no good sex for me without kissing. No more good reference now, but can find interesting girls in several places.

Good day my friends.

Because of work I find myself many kilometres from my homeland and not easy to travel home because of the virus. ISG give me much information about Germany and the fun that you could have in FKK pre-pandemic. Now clubs open again I can go and give back information.

I went to Shark on Friday June 25. I actually didn't intend to go, but in the evening I was restless (and between the legs). I got to the club late. Wasn't there until after 9:00 pm The check-in was relatively easy and quick. First impression: insane excess of men. Only occasionally do I see a woman.

It's stuffy, loud and looks like it did before the pandemic. But only at first glance. A little walk in the garden scares me. The garden, the whole area, is in a miserable condition. Parts of the garden furniture are lying around everywhere. Much is broken. Some pavilions will probably be under construction. There are glasses and dishes around everywhere. No effort was made to note the places that were obviously in urgent need of repair or anything like that.

Overall a very sad picture. So back inside.

As for the ladies, I mostly only discover familiar faces. Unfortunately few optical delicacies. I did see Nico (I had visited her in her Darmstadt apartment a few months ago and was not good). I also discover Melina, who worked in a Mainz apartment until the very recently. I also saw Melissa. The pretty one with the red hair.

It seemed like there weren't more than 20 women in the club. No news when it comes to new young and fresh girls from Southeast Europe.

I only booked one lady. Unfortunately, I forgot the name (Ina? Lina? Dina? 29 years old, very nice body, tanned, very pretty and wonderful boobies. She explained to me that the service that was included before the pandemic is no longer available. I paid Eur50 for 30 min (no kisses). Overall, the whole experience was not very special. I just wanted to get the shot (and Melina and Melissa not available).

A ray of hope! Before I left I saw a young black lady; estimated early to mid 20's. She had long black and purple rasta braids. Maybe someone can tell me the name of this cutie? I would like to book her next time.

At the moment I don't know when there will be a next time. Need to wait a while until the club is in better shape and until the girls are there. I am curious to see if the other big clubs paint a better picture?

Until then.

I understand that I need to provide a negative test (antigen is OK?) when entering the club. But if I bring my own it can be 1-8 weeks old, impossible for the reception to know how old my test is?

Hi Folks,

After I didn't have a Super Sex Guy session in the FKK Oase on Saturday (Jun 26), I needed to scratch an itch and I went to Sharks again the following day. The outdoor area is completely open again, the pool can be splashed about in again and in the evening there was an outside barbecue again, which I prefer. All the guys were outside because the weather was good and it was never too crowded inside. Rather quiet towards the evening, most of them had to go back to work on Monday (just like me). About 40 working girls were present on the day.

Since I like pretty and natural ladies, I immediately went for Ivette. Very pretty natural face with hardly any make-up, about 1.63 m in height with light brown hair, fair skin, a few small tattoos (on right shoulder and on the both arms. Not a big bust size, but so cute, sweet and beautiful!

Really beautiful girl. I fell instantly in love. Normal prices (kisses included). Bit kisses turned out to be a few gentle touches on the lips. So some room for improvement. Blowjob was fine and very pleasant. Fucking was rather calm and cuddly. I didn't necessarily have the feeling that the chemistry was great.

But at least I had a fuck.

Well there is a date on your test no? More than 48 h=you stay out.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2574632]I understand that I need to provide a negative test (antigen is OK?) when entering the club. But if I bring my own it can be 1-8 weeks old, impossible for the reception to know how old my test is?[/QUOTE]Test may only be 24 hours old.

[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573756]Thought you might be UK based and in a similar position to myself.

You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce. They just don't have the holiday time to travel for long periods. 2 x 8-12 hour flights plus travel to and from the airport is normally too much for most who might try to consider a long weekend trip.

Most of the North Americans I have met have been based in Europe or occasionally have been visiting on business. It sometimes amazes me how many posting in Germany FKK are from the US and travel from the US.

With so many guys based in North American it certainly baffles me that no one is posting about the number one issue. Perhaps these guys are primarily on the keyboard and simply do not come but once in a blue moon and simply do not know. I guess they will figure it out in time. I am sure you are aware and good that you can travel.[/QUOTE]Many tourist come to large Frankfurt FKK clubs. French Italian Dutch Danes Swedes Swiss, some Spanish, some English, some American who live locally. Rarely see American that fly long distance. Rare same as Japanese or Chinese tourist who overpay the women.

[QUOTE=Mechelen;2574686]Test may only be 24 hours old.[/QUOTE]Isn't 48 hours negative test?

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2574691]Many tourist come to large Frankfurt FKK clubs. French Italian Dutch Danes Swedes Swiss, some Spanish, some English, some American who live locally. Rarely see American that fly long distance. Rare same as Japanese or Chinese tourist who overpay the women.[/QUOTE]On 2017, Sharks became Asian, reason why girls ask for increasing rate. US also need to tip, from their culture, when best tip for high level girls is when you return to repeat and some are proud among their club and even about staff, when they have a very regular who come from far and everybody know in the club.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2574632]I understand that I need to provide a negative test (antigen is OK?) when entering the club. But if I bring my own it can be 1-8 weeks old, impossible for the reception to know how old my test is?[/QUOTE]You can take a test at Sharks for 5 euros of go to various places in Germany and take a test and they will give you a certificate. Showing a negative white stick won't get you in, as you point out knows when or indeed who took the test.

In Hesse you need a negative test within the last 24 hours to check into a hotel so I assume also for Sharks test needs to be in the last 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2574632]I understand that I need to provide a negative test (antigen is OK?) when entering the club. But if I bring my own it can be 1-8 weeks old, impossible for the reception to know how old my test is?[/QUOTE]Are you not ashamed to write things like that. If 1 day we want to go out of the pandemic we will have to follow all the rules and regulations and not trying to cheat, why are you cheating with your heath and with the health of the others?

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2573318]It's a business and they're allowed to charge whatever rates they choose. You as well can go find other clubs, not a big deal. Thinking "other men will not go" is equivalent to being out of touch with reality. The market has already spoken given that more men showed up than girls on opening night.[/QUOTE]I fear you are correct. But I think it is a little premature to declare the market has spoken based on opening night. Or even the next two-three months. Not everyone reads sex forums, so I suspect the majority of me men visiting Sharks are not aware of the new hourly rates until they speak to the WGs. My understanding is that attendance at most of the NRW clubs tapered off after the two weeks, and that is with prices in NRW mostly remaining constant. So this initial rush of clients at Sharks is to be expected after a lockdown. Plus watching the European football championship gives many men a convenient excuse to visit the brothel. Whether the customers regularly return remains to be seen.

On the German forums, there seems to be references to the nighttime clientele, the younger shisha bar clients from the Orient who always enter in groups with their supposed fake Rolexes from Istanbul and fancy cars. The German posters seem to imply that they believe this social dynamic leads them to spend more money to impress friends. And demand less services because they are drunk and will end end the room after 15 minutes to get back to socializing with their friends.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574805]On 2017, Sharks became Asian, reason why girls ask for increasing rate. US also need to tip, from their culture, when best tip for high level girls is when you return to repeat and some are proud among their club and even about staff, when they have a very regular who come from far and everybody know in the club.[/QUOTE]I've directly asked Germans if they tip the girls, including HessenBub via DM, and many say yes in the amount of 10-20 euro if the service is good. Just like when Germans dine out, it is common to pay more, up to the next 5 or 10 euro increment as tip. French are known to be the most tight with their money.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574902]I fear you are correct. But I think it is a little premature to declare the market has spoken based on opening night. Or even the next two-three months.[/QUOTE]I suspect that the upsell level will return to normal by September. There will be not be many business travelers or Messe clients. August as always will be slow with European holiday month. By the end of August, the fair market value will reveal itself.

There is a difference between tipping a waitress who makes 10 euros an hour and a WG who makes 100 euros an hour.

[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573756]Thought you might be UK based and in a similar position to myself.

You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce. They just don't have the holiday time to travel for long periods. 2 x 8-12 hour flights plus travel to and from the airport is normally too much for most who might try to consider a long weekend trip.

Most of the North Americans I have met have been based in Europe or occasionally have been visiting on business. It sometimes amazes me how many posting in Germany FKK are from the US and travel from the US.

With so many guys based in North American it certainly baffles me that no one is posting about the number one issue. Perhaps these guys are primarily on the keyboard and simply do not come but once in a blue moon and simply do not know. I guess they will figure it out in time. I am sure you are aware and good that you can travel.[/QUOTE]I am in a similar position unfortunately.

I have found like you that I meet relatively few Americans in Sharks, but am more likely to meet English guys there than in any other club. German customers also seem very friendly to English guys (regardless of football history) and have given me many tips about good service / good pricing girls.

On the separate discussion about tips, Germans readily give tips of 10 or 20 for decent service. No need to pay 100 for half-hour.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574951]I've directly asked Germans if they tip the girls, including HessenBub via DM, and many say yes in the amount of 10-20 euro if the service is good. Just like when Germans dine out, it is common to pay more, up to the next 5 or 10 euro increment as tip. French are known to be the most tight with their money.[/QUOTE]So, Germans lie when they ask not to pay more than rate? I almost never tip, but most of girls return to me. When girl is good, then I drive many kilometers for her.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2574632]I understand that I need to provide a negative test (antigen is OK?) when entering the club. But if I bring my own it can be 1-8 weeks old, impossible for the reception to know how old my test is?[/QUOTE]You can even provide your neighbor test, but they will ask to check your ID and check date of your test.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574902]On the German forums, there seems to be references to the nighttime clientele, the younger shisha bar clients from the Orient who always enter in groups with their supposed fake Rolexes from Istanbul and fancy cars. The German posters seem to imply that they believe this social dynamic leads them to spend more money to impress friends. And demand less services because they are drunk and will end end the room after 15 minutes to get back to socializing with their friends.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you brought up the German gripes about the Turkish Germans. Plenty has already been said about the international Asian presence. In a perfect mongering world for the mongering purist, the FKK scene would be the way it was pre 2008, back before it was well known to others besides ethnic Germans. But such is the result of having these places in a free capitalist nation. The demographics of Germany is fairly diverse and it was a matter of time that Germany's second largest ethnic group would make their presence known in the clubs. As well, mega clubs like Sharks and even Oase was built to attract international mongers. Look at Oase's pamphlets. I think they make like 6+ different ones in different languages. Sharks has been international since the club's infancy. The clubs themselves are not even own by Germans.

The guys on the regional forums complaining about these other groups and their behaviors are completely unaware of the business behind the scenes. Clubs like LR, Babylon, or even Dietz would be more to their liking as they obviously cater to the German pensioner tastes. They can't have it both ways. They can't have the most beautiful girls in one club while also expecting these premium girls to give the best service for a mere 50 euro without much possibility to extending to even a 100 e hour. Compare this the Brazilian terma where half hour rates are not even available. Yes, that's the way it was at the turn of the century when FKKs first took off, but that was hardly ever going to last in a first world country like Germany.

Chasing the 50 e all everything room, while a nice plus when you do find it, is a fools errand that will eventually lead to endless complaints, time wasted, more frustration, and in the end, fighting a losing battle.

But lastly as a caveat, a quality 50 e room means different thing to different people. Some people want full intimacy, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, and 3 different positions in exactly 29 minutes and 55 seconds. Others may just be happy with a somewhat full 30 minute room and BBBJ without requiring the GFE. The first is in for a world of hurt but the latter may stand a fighting chance of expecting these services for several more years. But even if so, the timer is still ticking and more and more time will be spend penny pinching and deal hunting and less time actually enjoying the hobby.

Me, I just want either a full hour for 100 euro with GFE or PSE, either is fine just not a dead fish. If the girl is elite, I may extend time as tip / good will gesture. Sometimes I may actually give a cash tip, but service must be exceptional, especially if they explicitly asks for it.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574991]So, Germans lie when they ask not to pay more than rate? I almost never tip, but most of girls return to me. When girl is good, then I drive many kilometers for her.[/QUOTE]Perhaps they are. But one can claim only paying the standard rate and still tip. Tipping an extra 10 e is not the same as being extorted with the 100 e half hour rate. The only place that I've ever heard claims of Germans not tipping is on this forum. Perhaps the old guys club that are at Sharks every Sunday will boast the same.

But I've never heard a German explicitly say in personal conversation that they never tip. In fact, the locals I speak to openly willingly say they sometimes tip for good service. Like I mentioned, HB who I think is German also says so himself. Times change, culture changes and the ethnic Germans I speak to (usually 50 years or under) don't have too much of a problem admitting to some tipping if the service is good.

On the flip, I never tip my regulars. They don't seem to care or even bother to count the money as they know I'll give repeat business. In fact, a few of those super regulars I notice prefer if I don't hand them money directly offering only their purse for me to stuff the money in it. Probably makes them feel less dirty.

[QUOTE=Blacktar1;2574967]I am in a similar position unfortunately.

I have found like you that I meet relatively few Americans in Sharks, but am more likely to meet English guys there than in any other club. German customers also seem very friendly to English guys (regardless of football history) and have given me many tips about good service / good pricing girls.

On the separate discussion about tips, Germans readily give tips of 10 or 20 for decent service. No need to pay 100 for half-hour.[/QUOTE]Yep, you come across the occasional Britisher right enough. My fellow Americans, not so much unless like me they are living locally.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2574966]There is a difference between tipping a waitress who makes 10 euros an hour and a WG who makes 100 euros an hour.[/QUOTE]Tipping is a voluntary gift (unless the girl badgers the monger who is cowed down who yields due to pressure). It should not be conflated with demanding extras for basic stuff. I have tipped in the clubs and I don't feel guilty about it nor do I think I am destroying the system. The girl provided the service w / o the expectation of a tip, she does not know a tip is coming, and had I walked away w / o giving a tip she would have been just fine. I don't tip every single girl either; I don't even tip a girl every time I session; it is when the service is great and meriting a tip that one will be forthcoming.

So, when I say "xyz is destroying a pricing system established by the locals" and the rejoinder is "yeah, but the locals are tipping too", honestly that is a BS rejoinder, which does not truly rebut anything. The local or I can tip when and who we want and as long as such tips are occasional, controlled, discretionary and voluntary, the pricing system is perfectly preserved. It is the uneducated, uncaring monger arrogantly declaring "I am so rich, I am full of myself, I am going to pay 100 or 150 for something that is normally costing 50 because I can and wtf can you do?" that is the culprit here. Not the tipping local who rewards good service when such a tip is deserved.

You know what is a lot better than tip. Seeing the a girl again. In normal time, most of them sit around with nothing to do. They are happy if I see them twice during my visit. With so many option, a lot of them are jaded and give shitty services, because they think we will not seen them again. Some don't believe it when, I said I have fun and will see her again. I guess they hear that a lot. Some, when I want them to do something, they said "if I do it, would you see me again later on".

So there you go. It is kind of smart that they think long term. But kind of shortsighted, to think this guy already go with me, I got his money. And fuck the other girl. Because over all, there will be less guy for all the girl.

[QUOTE=HessenBob;2574691]Many tourist come to large Frankfurt FKK clubs. French Italian Dutch Danes Swedes Swiss, some Spanish, some English, some American who live locally. Rarely see American that fly long distance. Rare same as Japanese or Chinese tourist who overpay the women.[/QUOTE]Thanks much for your reports Bob I enjoyed reading of your experiences. Understandable the weekends especially late in the day would be a poor ratio shortly after re-opening. Still you did well with Ivete and I look forward to hopefully finding her myself.

But yes some of us do fly over the pond just for your large clubs full of eastern european ladies. I'll be doing that again next month now that it's getting back to almost normal. Happy to meet up and share stories over a beer if you or anyone else would like. I'll be hitting Sharks and Oase every other day for about a week. Are there no entry promotions yet based on day of week or time of day?

Thanks to this forum I have never paid more than 100/hour and always required both kissing and BBBJ. No interest the Cane's obsession and don't CIM unless I try which I don't in FKKs. Only Melisa rejected my offer. I'll be willing to pay her price of 150 next time as I've often regretted not taking it last time. And I've never heard of tipping the girls. I feel like they should be tipping me LOL but yeah I'm sure it's all acting. Very talented acting though!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574902]I fear you are correct. But I think it is a little premature to declare the market has spoken based on opening night. Or even the next two-three months. Not everyone reads sex forums, so I suspect the majority of me men visiting Sharks are not aware of the new hourly rates until they speak to the WGs. My understanding is that attendance at most of the NRW clubs tapered off after the two weeks, and that is with prices in NRW mostly remaining constant. So this initial rush of clients at Sharks is to be expected after a lockdown. Plus watching the European football championship gives many men a convenient excuse to visit the brothel. Whether the customers regularly return remains to be seen.

On the German forums, there seems to be references to the nighttime clientele, the younger shisha bar clients from the Orient who always enter in groups with their supposed fake Rolexes from Istanbul and fancy cars. The German posters seem to imply that they believe this social dynamic leads them to spend more money to impress friends. And demand less services because they are drunk and will end end the room after 15 minutes to get back to socializing with their friends.[/QUOTE]No upselling experienced at Samya where girls were hungry for business. Samya who work a lot with Balkanians was not crowded on a Friday night, 1 week after reopening. Since few years, Sharks also turned Balkanian at night, buying bottles rather than girls, LR also became on 2018 In their culture, they have to be fast for sex to be powerful. When playing with belly muscles to enjoy to stay on the edge, I would be just a shame, but I love this game, full of blood pressure.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574993]You can even provide your neighbor test, but they will ask to check your ID and check date of your test.[/QUOTE]But double injection vaccination should be enough to enter the club.

Why then PCR-test?

What are they doing?

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2575162]But double injection vaccination should be enough to enter the club.

Why then PCR-test?

What are they doing?[/QUOTE]You can be vaccined, so You should be quite protected, but positive and giving, like in UK where vaccination high rate, but delta spreading and now after UK one, this new one also spreading in EU, reason why UK are under 15 days quarantine, despite vaccination high rate.

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2575017]Yep, you come across the occasional Britisher right enough. My fellow Americans, not so much unless like me they are living locally.[/QUOTE]In my 12+ years since first visiting FKKs, I've come across only about 20-25 Americans who live in America, and I strike up conversation with a lot of strangers in clubs. I'm sure that Americans make up less than 1% of all FKK visitors.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2575178]You can be vaccined, so You should be quite protected, but positive and giving, like in UK where vaccination high rate, but delta spreading and now after UK one, this new one also spreading in EU, reason why UK are under 15 days quarantine, despite vaccination high rate.[/QUOTE]I have vaccination certificate.

Do I need PCR-test or not to enter the club?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2575059]The local or I can tip when and who we want and as long as such tips are occasional, controlled, discretionary and voluntary, the pricing system is perfectly preserved. It is the uneducated, uncaring monger arrogantly declaring "I am so rich, I am full of myself, I am going to pay 100 or 150 for something that is normally costing 50 because I can and wtf can you do?" that is the culprit here.[/QUOTE]In some cultures, it is more socially acceptable to flaunt material wealth. There are stories of nouveau riche Chinese mongers traveling together as a group to Thailand and throwing money around. And it becomes a competition amongst friends over who spends more. In Middle-Eastern cultures, there is this social dynamic as well. You can find YouTube videos of violent altercations when two men are fighting over who will pay the restaurant bill. This is a game of one-upsmanship between male friends and has nothing to do with the WG. They have zero intention to win the WG over or even see her again. They might not even remember the WG's name. Club owners appreciate these men as well as they are buying the expensive bottles of liquor.

Then you have more lovesick-puppy SIMP mongers. These could be one percenters. Or these could be 85-percenters spending like one-percenters over a 2-3 year period, draining their retirement nest egg. Their intention is to win the WG over. Or impress the WG, believing she will appreciate him and fall in love with him. These men are buying expensive gifts, taking WGs shopping, and giving her a living stipend, so this goes well beyond just tipping at the money lockers.

I suspect WG exaggerate how much they receive from this second type of whale. Many WGs tell will openly talk about the sugar daddies sponsoring them. The subtext being "I am in high-demand so if you want my attention you better tip or long-room me". So they are not directly asking for a tip. But some mongers may feel pressured to tip to ensure continued good service on repeat sessions.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2575101]But yes some of us do fly over the pond just for your large clubs full of eastern european ladies. I'll be doing that again next month now that it's getting back to almost normal. Happy to meet up and share stories over a beer if you or anyone else would like. I'll be hitting Sharks and Oase every other day for about a week. Are there no entry promotions yet based on day of week or time of day?[/QUOTE]There are always a few adventurous souls who will make this journey from time to time. Some say unique. Others say oddities. Certainly crazy guys. Real basketcases.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2575223]In my 12+ years since first visiting FKKs, I've come across only about 20-25 Americans who live in America, and I strike up conversation with a lot of strangers in clubs. I'm sure that Americans make up less than 1% of all FKK visitors.[/QUOTE]The Americans who come to Germany often are the guys who come for AO and can't get it at home but they don't even go to the Fkks they go to the dirty RTC's and they eat at Burger King and Rewe. They could be in Brazil with beautiful women but prefer to spend the investment on ugly girls and AO.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2575223]In my 12+ years since first visiting FKKs, I've come across only about 20-25 Americans who live in America, and I strike up conversation with a lot of strangers in clubs. I'm sure that Americans make up less than 1% of all FKK visitors.[/QUOTE]I am not sure about that. I came to FKK land 3-4 times a year since 2015, Every time, I met some new guys either from Seattle, New York, LA or whatever.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2574966]There is a difference between tipping a waitress who makes 10 euros an hour and a WG who makes 100 euros an hour.[/QUOTE]Regardless, the point is that there is an urban myth that German locals only pay strictly 50 e and never a penny more while blaming international mongers for a "nasty habit". It's complete scapegoating garbage used to justify hanging on to one's wallet with an iron grip because it is untrue that tipping is a sin to the German monger, at least for the ones who were not of mongering age at the time the Berlin Wall fell.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2575162]But double injection vaccination should be enough to enter the club.

Why then PCR-test?

What are they doing?[/QUOTE]Because they know that the vaccines are not that efficient and less and less with the new variant. Just have a look about the how many vaccinated people got sick or died in the recent days, the figures are not far from the none vaccinated population.

[QUOTE=DistSelgate;2573613]Asians are said to be giving girls too much money.

But that's because Asians aren't familiar with market prices.

The receptionist also did not explain the system.

As a result, well-known Asian hunters like Vanessa have deceived Asians and robbed them of high prices, and the evidence now shows many reports of their damage.

I want you to know that Asians don't want to break the market, they don't like to pay high prices.[/QUOTE]My guest was also robbed of excess money by her.

He didn't know what to do.

That is one of the factors behind the soaring price of chips.

Asians need to avoid her.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2575253]I have vaccination certificate.

Do I need PCR-test or not to enter the club?[/QUOTE]You must have FULL Vaccination (so 1 x Janssen or 2 x other one) PLUS 14 days after last vaccin, you are free to go!
(and no, after 13 days, you can not enter, you need a test as well!)

If not, you need an Antigen Test (or PCR, but Antigen is much quicker and you can get everywhere in Germany for free, with certificate).

I was asked to show my negative test and controlled my ID, but can also make test just at entrance. Sharks is full open and outdoor with swimming pool also. They changed chalets positions and I think less chalets now. I love to have sex in chalets. They improved rooms in ex kino but no door, just curtain. No more caves upstairs, but curtains and beds. I think new rooms downstairs close to SM are open, where my room with my friend elephant, good souvenirs with Florentina. Ro. I ate good and I m happy about my belly, but didn't see any Melissa level of look. Not crowded and slow business. Painful rabbits balls must be already empty. Left at 8 pm for Oase where also full open, and same not crowded and slow business. A bit prettier looks, but none to wake up my desire. I will be fully heavy I wish for my first climbing in highest ranked Iseran if my belly keep going fine, please keep on when You ate good at Sharks and Oase. No more yellow tiger, so I slept alone.

So Sharks has been open for a week so what is the general consensus for those who have visited the shop since the reopening as reading the few reports specifically on Sharks they have painted a sometimes miserable picture?

Price increases, little interest in the girls sticking to the old standard payment / service and the lack of quality girls currently available is making me reconsider whether my planned return in a few weeks should be delayed until things improved?

The only positive aspect from the reports is that more girls are turning up to work everyday.

Do we think things will improve or is this the new norm?

Will the 50/30 & 100/60 days return shortly or has that era finished?

Many of my favorite ladies have either yet to return, will not be returning or are still operating as an Independent so I will have to look for new girls but it appears that "Sharky behaviour" has increased making it more difficult to find that gem who provides a good service at a decent price.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2575527]You must have FULL Vaccination (so 1 x Janssen or 2 x other one) PLUS 14 days after last vaccin, you are free to go!
(and no, after 13 days, you can not enter, you need a test as well!)

If not, you need an Antigen Test (or PCR, but Antigen is much quicker and you can get everywhere in Germany for free, with certificate).[/QUOTE]This is totally carzy.

They only want to earn money on tests.

If clients do not turn up, do not ask why.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2575598]This is totally carzy.

They only want to earn money on tests.

If clients do not turn up, do not ask why.[/QUOTE]I was recently in Germany for work and I observed quite a few of those "Schnelltest" places, usually in a tent on parking lots near a pharmacy (DM) or a big shop. Almost all of them are completely empty and you see staff loitering around looking totally bored. It appeared to me that most Germans do not go along with this madness, and I fully agree! Let all the businesses that happily participate in this corrupt fascist madness go bankrupt! Screw them!

There recently was a big scandal in Germany about hundreds of millions of Euros being wasted on those tests. Many scam artists setting up tents on parking lots, billing hundreds of tests per day to the government, while in reality almost nobody was there that day. The 'certification' of those test places is a joke, almost no training is required for the staff, and it's another perfect example of how the once thorough and precise Germany has evolved into a complete corrupt Banana Republic.

From Sueddeutsche Zeitung: [URL]https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-tests-spahn-1.5316946[/URL].

Tagesschau news: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JAiW9NZ8Ls[/URL].

Just like the rest of this PLANDEMIC, it's a complete farce and a paradise for scam artists and Big Pharma companies peddling 'tests' and 'vaccines' with an Emergency Use Authorisation.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2575527]You must have FULL Vaccination (so 1 x Janssen or 2 x other one) PLUS 14 days after last vaccin, you are free to go!
(and no, after 13 days, you can not enter, you need a test as well!)

If not, you need an Antigen Test (or PCR, but Antigen is much quicker and you can get everywhere in Germany for free, with certificate).[/QUOTE]When all clubs I visited: Samya, Sharks and Oase ask to check test, not sure You enter only being vaccined, when You can be positive. Switzerland and NL don t ask for test nor vaccine.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2575598]This is totally carzy.

They only want to earn money on tests.

If clients do not turn up, do not ask why.[/QUOTE]Did you read that Maxime wrote ' you can get everywhere in Germany for free'?

[QUOTE=Maxime;2575527]You must have FULL Vaccination (so 1 x Janssen or 2 x other one) PLUS 14 days after last vaccin, you are free to go!
(and no, after 13 days, you can not enter, you need a test as well!)

If not, you need an Antigen Test (or PCR, but Antigen is much quicker and you can get everywhere in Germany for free, with certificate).[/QUOTE]I've looked at a couple of testing centers around Koeln and on the web site they mention free for German citizens. I wonder if it's also free for foreigners.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2575342]I am not sure about that. I came to FKK land 3-4 times a year since 2015, Every time, I met some new guys either from Seattle, New York, LA or whatever.[/QUOTE]And when you do, don't you usually meet only one or two in a club of a hundred+ mongers?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2575631]Did you read that Maxime wrote ' you can get everywhere in Germany for free'?[/QUOTE]Some NL friends told me that got turned away at ACA Gold desk. One didn't have test. They were instructed to go to test center where they give out free tests. The result came within 20 minutes by email. So call ahead to reception and they should be able to advise you on where to go. The test were free to foreigners or at least neighbor EU country.

[QUOTE=Canary;2575569]

Will the 50/30 & 100/60 days return shortly or has that era finished?

Many of my favorite ladies have either yet to return, will not be returning or are still operating as an Independent so I will have to look for new girls but it appears that "Sharky behaviour" has increased making it more difficult to find that gem who provides a good service at a decent price.[/QUOTE]I don't think the good old-time with 50/30 will return quick.

Because the club can only have 1 guest / girl each 10 qm. And max 250 person at same time in each club.

To have the max 250 person, the club must be 2500 qm big.

That's why palace or Oase can't have too many girls.

So sharks can't have too many girls, because the max persons in club ist limited to 250. (if its 2500 qm big).

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2575627]When all clubs I visited: Samya, Sharks and Oase ask to check test, not sure You enter only being vaccined, when You can be positive. Switzerland and NL don t ask for test nor vaccine.[/QUOTE]Others have said the opposite if vax was completed 15 days prior.

But logically ask yourself, why even bother mentioning vax or previous infection status on the website if all guests still need to also have a negative test? Vax status would be irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Bonsai;2575760]I don't think the good old-time with 50/30 will return quick.

Because the club can only have 1 guest / girl each 10 qm. And max 250 person at same time in each club.

To have the max 250 person, the club must be 2500 qm big.

That's why palace or Oase can't have too many girls.

So sharks can't have too many girls, because the max persons in club ist limited to 250. (if its 2500 qm big).[/QUOTE]I heard that there are between 70 and 100 girls, most of them new at the club. Some girls even ask 150 euros /30 minutes for blowjob and DFK. Can some members who've been there confirm? Maybe more interesting to discuss about the girls, the actual line-up, their services than debate about the same eternal boring discussion about vax, tests, covid, etc. Sharks is open. Let's talk about it.

I don't understand all this ruckus over this test at the doors; more so because it is quite evident that it is mainly the foreigners who are not currently in DE asking these questions about this required test and getting twisted into pretzels.

By the time any of these guys are ready to fly into DE and attend the clubs, the door policy on these required tests might remain the same, might change, clubs might accept the CDC card re: US vaccinations (and equivalents from a few other countries that Germany does trust), etc. Etc.

And for argument's sake assume they don't accept the CDC card; just pay 5 bucks and take the fucking test, wait for 5 minutes and go inside. You can't fight the fucking system, it is what it is. To get to the club doors you would have flown thousands of miles, spent thousands of dollars on flight and hotels and car rentals and prepared to pay 100 bucks extra to smooch an Asian hunter on the lips and another 100 for the pleasure of BBBJ. But 5 bucks extra for a stupid test bothers you? Or is it the 5 minutes extra wait time before you can go inside that is killing you?

It is very clear that barring Hesse Bob and a couple of others, most are not currently in De from the tone of their postings but the amount of panic about this test is hilarious. If I am ready to travel (whenever that is) I would be far more worried about all the travel logistics, any required quarantines and how those policies might change as various governments are monitoring these new variants and when they go into a new round of panic and so on, and if the quality of service in the clubs and the looks / number of the girls is any good. Not about a 5 bucks test and 5 minutes extra wait.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2575766]Others have said the opposite if vax was completed 15 days prior.

But logically ask yourself, why even bother mentioning vax or previous infection status on the website if all guests still need to also have a negative test? Vax status would be irrelevant.[/QUOTE]Is there somebody on this forum who entered in a German club without showing or making on site test? Just with vaccine. When I see how they check test and ID. No test for Switzerland or NL.

[QUOTE=GuyFromParis;2575777]I heard that there are between 70 and 100 girls, most of them new at the club. Some girls even ask 150 euros /30 minutes for blowjob and DFK. Can some members who've been there confirm? Maybe more interesting to discuss about the girls, the actual line-up, their services than debate about the same eternal boring discussion about vax, tests, covid, etc. Sharks is open. Let's talk about it.[/QUOTE]I would say around 50 girls on this Thursday, many I never saw, but the fall for looks, when mostly same girls at Oase. I couldn't experience rate because didn't even find only 1 to chat with. No Melissa level. At Oase, I told: later, later, and went to sleep in relax room, despite Mady ex History Liestal smiles. Both not crowded and at Sharks, guys were really not running after looks. Good news is papy survived and still playing chess, when I watched under veranda report about competition between Bayern and Borussia Moenchengladbach on 70/75 with legend Rainer Bonhof, one of my model who made me play football, and Wolfgang Kleiff. At this time they ran, not rubbing on grass like dancers. At Samya, still 50/30 for my experience and even it was not on top 1 week after reopening, even more and more fat girls anywhere, but Samya was less worse for looks. Spent only twice 50 for entry, visiting Sharks and Oase. Should not rush to return. Other places to try. One blond with quite pretty face, I would say 175 and at least 70 kgs, maybe for you. When escorts are down in Paris, give a try with your own eyes, mine cried. Getting my bicycle prepared, I will start to climb heavy with full balls. With I can just open up to Tignes, I didn't know but just before tour de France tomorrow.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2575659]I've looked at a couple of testing centers around Koeln and on the web site they mention free for German citizens. I wonder if it's also free for foreigners.[/QUOTE]Depends a little, but the ones booked via Chayns app are free for all. Via Testbuchen dot de sometimes free, sometimes 20 euro for foreigners. Since an Antigen test normally (commercially) costs 40-60 euro over here, it is not that bad.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2575548]I was asked to show my negative test and controlled my ID, but can also make test just at entrance.[/QUOTE]When making test in club, then no ID is needed? Since they then know it is you who makes the test and the (negative) result applies to you only?

In many German clubs they write down your ID data on paper, a major reason many mongers stay at home for now.......

[QUOTE=Maxime;2575888]When making test in club, then no ID is needed? Since they then know it is you who makes the test and the (negative) result applies to you only?

In many German clubs they write down your ID data on paper, a major reason many mongers stay at home for now.......[/QUOTE]Why staying at home just because you have to give your ID data's? I have nothing to hide even when I am in China they can record all what they want, 1 time the police went to my hotel in a middle size city near Beijing and I just was with a girl they just ask us our ID, were laughing and wish us great time.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2575888]When making test in club, then no ID is needed? Since they then know it is you who makes the test and the (negative) result applies to you only?

In many German clubs they write down your ID data on paper, a major reason many mongers stay at home for now.......[/QUOTE]I had my test on my phone, so Sharks manager checked it and my ID, same than at Samya. They only checked my test at Oase. For sure, clubs are not crowded and business seem slow for most of girls. But papy is still at Sharks. At Sharks, desk also ask to write your data: name, address, mail, phone, no problem for me when worst in this business for me are some obsessed jealous of my followers.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2575766]Vax status would be irrelevant.[/QUOTE]Vax status *IS* irrelevant because it does not prevent transmission.

That's why it's not a real vaccine, duh! I'm surprised that took you so long to figure out, but I guess this goes waaayyyy above the pay grade of a CCP troll who claims to be a 'murse. ' LOL!

So I returned to Sharks last Thursday. Check in was straightforward and completed before I got to reception where I was met by a very cheerful Lisa to whom I paid the entry fee. The bar staff were also extremely friendly. I was actually made feel welcome as a guest. Well, what's going on here?

Already from noon there were quite a lot of three-legged friends. The women at this time were thin on the ground as is not unusual at this time on Thursday. Practically non-existent. There were significantly more men than women. It seemed to be the most unfavorable ratio between 12 noon and 2 pm and from around 6 to 7 pm During the afternoon there were quite a few ladies free. You could have hooked up with one if you weren't determined to find a particular lady. It was reasonably busy until evening (more crowded than on a normal Thursday before Corona). But then it got really full.

Line-Up: In general, I found the line-up to be very weak for Shark's standards. Some total optical failures, 2-3 optical crackers that looked "expensive" from afar and very, very much mediocrity in the room. There weren't many pretty ladies with a completely normal appearance.

Price level: I'm sorry to say that the time of 60 minutes for Eur100 (standard club service) is not currently to be had at Sharks. The price range for an hour of good fun was up to Eur250. Eur200 were even requested by a lady I had roomed with occasionally in pre-Corona times and who knows that I am a regular guest. I'm far away from the visiting frequency of some others, but I have been to Sharks about 30 times in 2019. I'm not just wellness-goer, but always make at least 1-2 rooms, sometimes longer than just 1 hour each time. The ladies watch things like that very closely.

There seemed to be an extra charge of Eur50 for this or Eur50 for that on top of the basic inflated price. In short, every lady does what she wants. Understandable with the rush of customers, there is a noticeable gold rush atmosphere among the girls. Currently, the 60 min for Eur100 fucker is at least as unpopular and uninteresting as the 30 min for Eur50 fucker used to be before Corona.

Of course, it could be different for regular guests of individual girls. I will find out as soon as my favourites ladies are back. There are one or two ladies in the line-up who actually still offers a complete service for Eur100 per hour, as in the past. But I didn't talk with any of them on the day.

I saw Aliya (RO, 29 years old, great body with the hottest tits ever) in the afternoon. It was clear to me that my resolve could not hold out against the proportions of her tits with the nipples so absolutely perfect.

She normally sits at the front of the bar towards the entrance. And comes from GT in Vienna. I'm in love with her shape and proportions. Or to put it another way; I have to get to her tits. After a short chat and price query (by the way, she likes the new price model in Sharks) she requested Eur100 for 30 min with her in one of the new rooms downstairs. As expected, the experience was average and not worth Eur100. But I didn't care because I got to play with her tits for almost the entire time, sucked the nipples and enjoyed the sight while I was banging them in missionary. Why change position? I might just lose sight of her tits. Even her somewhat monotonous and artificial moaning didn't bother me. But I had to do her. For my peace of mind.

Later and in order to calm my guilty conscience for paying over the odds, I wanted to get normal pricing from one of the pre-corona regulars. My choice fell on Hillary. I don't know her well, but I had 1-2 rooms with her before the pandemic-induced club break. Because back then I always paid Eur100 for an hour, I did not check her prices. A mistake, as it turned out in the room. Because she offered an hour for Eur150. But because some room time had already passed and because to some degree it was my fault that I didn't check, I gave her the Eur150 for an admittedly nice 1 h room.

Conclusion: Too many men, too expensive, price increases. I won't go back to Sharks until one or more of my regular ladies are back. And if they request fantasy prices, I'll take a Sharks break and go to NRW instead.

The Sharks don't need me. However, I definitely don't need Sharks with the current prices either.

Jimmy.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2575886]Depends a little, but the ones booked via Chayns app are free for all. Via Testbuchen dot de sometimes free, sometimes 20 euro for foreigners. Since an Antigen test normally (commercially) costs 40-60 euro overhere, it is not that bad.[/QUOTE]Thanks, your info much appreciated, especially the app. I am going to need it end of this month and August in NRW.

Maybe some hobbyists should set up a testing center and then rake in the cash to use for the clubs.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2575620]I was recently in Germany for work and I observed quite a few of those "Schnelltest" places, usually in a tent on parking lots near a pharmacy (DM) or a big shop. Almost all of them are completely empty and you see staff loitering around looking totally bored. It appeared to me that most Germans do not go along with this madness, and I fully agree! Let all the businesses that happily participate in this corrupt fascist madness go bankrupt! Screw them!

There recently was a big scandal in Germany about hundreds of millions of Euros being wasted on those tests. Many scam artists setting up tents on parking lots, billing hundreds of tests per day to the government, while in reality almost nobody was there that day. The 'certification' of those test places is a joke, almost no training is required for the staff, and it's another perfect example of how the once thorough and precise Germany has evolved into a complete corrupt Banana Republic.

From Sueddeutsche Zeitung: [URL]https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/corona-tests-spahn-1.5316946[/URL].

Tagesschau news: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JAiW9NZ8Ls[/URL].

Just like the rest of this PLANDEMIC, it's a complete farce and a paradise for scam artists and Big Pharma companies peddling 'tests' and 'vaccines' with an Emergency Use Authorisation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2575766]Others have said the opposite if vax was completed 15 days prior.

But logically ask yourself, why even bother mentioning vax or previous infection status on the website if all guests still need to also have a negative test? Vax status would be irrelevant.[/QUOTE]General guidance is GGG, Geimpft, genesen oder getestet, vaccinated, recovered, tested. For vaccine, the last shot had to be at least 14-15 days ago. Recovery had to be within last six months. Negative test can only be two days old. Ultimately you should ask the club and double check prior to your trip, because all this could change. More accurate than what you will read here.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2575835]Is there somebody on this forum who entered in a German club without showing or making on site test? Just with vaccine. When I see how they check test and ID. No test for Switzerland or NL.[/QUOTE]Yes, two vaxxed posters a few posts down have visited Samya, no tests needed. They can speak up and contribute against the misinformation if they see fit.

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2575941]Price level: I'm sorry to say that the time of 60 minutes for Eur100 (standard club service) is not currently to be had at Sharks. The price range for an hour of good fun was up to Eur250. Eur200 were even requested by a lady I had roomed with occasionally in pre-Corona times and who knows that I am a regular guest. I'm far away from the visiting frequency of some others, but I have been to Sharks about 30 times in 2019. I'm not just wellness-goer, but always make at least 1-2 rooms, sometimes longer than just 1 hour each time. The ladies watch things like that very closely.

................

Conclusion: Too many men, too expensive, price increases. I won't go back to Sharks until one or more of my regular ladies are back. And if they request fantasy prices, I'll take a Sharks break and go to NRW instead.

The Sharks don't need me. However, I definitely don't need Sharks with the current prices either.

Jimmy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review Jimmy. So the Sharks even got more sharky then many of them were before Corona. Let's see what other clubs / girls in the area do, if they all do the same, Hessen can be ignored from now on and back to good old NRW (or maybe BW) or go to CH for same prices but better lineup imho.

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2575941]So I returned to Sharks last Thursday. Check in was straightforward and completed before I got to reception where I was met by a very cheerful Lisa to whom I paid the entry fee. The bar staff were also extremely friendly. I was actually made feel welcome as a guest. Well, what's going on here?

Already from noon there were quite a lot of three-legged friends. The women at this time were thin on the ground as is not unusual at this time on Thursday. Practically non-existent. There were significantly more men than women. It seemed to be the most unfavorable ratio between 12 noon and 2 pm and from around 6 to 7 pm During the afternoon there were quite a few ladies free. You could have hooked up with one if you weren't determined to find a particular lady. It was reasonably busy until evening (more crowded than on a normal Thursday before Corona). But then it got really full.

Line-Up: In general, I found the line-up to be very weak for Shark's standards. Some total optical failures, 2-3 optical crackers that looked "expensive" from afar and very, very much mediocrity in the room. There weren't many pretty ladies with a completely normal appearance.

Price level: I'm sorry to say that the time of 60 minutes for Eur100 (standard club service) is not currently to be had at Sharks. The price range for an hour of good fun was up to Eur250. Eur200 were even requested by a lady I had roomed with occasionally in pre-Corona times and who knows that I am a regular guest. I'm far away from the visiting frequency of some others, but I have been to Sharks about 30 times in 2019. I'm not just wellness-goer, but always make at least 1-2 rooms, sometimes longer than just 1 hour each time. The ladies watch things like that very closely...[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report Jimmy!

Curious how many girls total on the lineup?

2-3 stunners 9-10's?

5-10 average 7-8's?

10-20 mediocre 6's.

10-20 below average 5's?

Heading to Frankfurt Monday will be staying at Sharks and probably venture to Oase to see a mixed lineup.

New Lineup: 50-70 girls (More coming everyday).

1. Ivette.

2. Melissa redhead.

3. Amira.

4. Jessica.

5. Cosmina.

6. Nadia.

7. Stella (D).

8. Audrey (D).

9. Brenda.

10. Lina (ROM).

11. Ariella (BUL).

12. Michelle (BUL).

13. Bonita (PHI).

14. Nico (ROM).

15. Jenny 28, Bulgaria, AAA breast.

16. Esther.

17. Melina.

18. Denisa.

19. Esra.

20. Vanessa.

21. Chanel or chantal from Hungary.

22. Rafaella.

23. Cosmina.

24. Cleo.

25. Lena dark hailed ROM, often sits on or near the pole dance stage.

26. Alia / Aliah (RO, 29 years old).

27. Hillary.

28. LUCY, a bleached blonde lady from Czech Republic, often near the waterfall.

29. Filipino lady MARILYN.

30. Naomi.

31. Helen (24) from Nigeria. Slim, well proportioned, half-length, black hair.

32. Stella.

33. Audrey.

Old LineUp Sharks Saturday, March 14th, 2020.

Alina.

Anastasia.

Anca.

Ariana.

Beatrice.

Bella.

Carla.

Cassandra.

Chanel.

Cheyenne.

Conny.

Deborah.

Dilek.

Donna.

Emma.

Esra.

Esther.

Franceska.

Georgiana.

Greta.

Helen.

Ica.

Inka.

Iona.

Jasmin.

Joy.

July.

Kaira.

Katrin.

Lara.

Leana.

Lisa.

Lori.

Marina.

Melanie.

Melody.

Miriam.

Nora.

Roxy.

Sabrina.

Sally.

Scarlett.

Selina.

Sidonia.

Sorina.

Tila.

Vicky.

Viorica.

Zeynep.

Zoe.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2575935]Vax status *IS* irrelevant because it does not prevent transmission.

That's why it's not a real vaccine, duh! I'm surprised that took you so long to figure out, but I guess this goes waaayyyy above the pay grade of a CCP troll who claims to be a 'murse. ' LOL![/QUOTE]You're right. Vax does not prevent transmission. It does reduce the time for which you are infectious and thus reduces transmission / reproduction rate. Good catch!

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2576073]Thanks for your report Jimmy!

Curious how many girls total on the lineup?

2-3 stunners 9-10's?

5-10 average 7-8's?

10-20 mediocre 6's.

10-20 below average 5's?

Heading to Frankfurt Monday will be staying at Sharks and probably venture to Oase to see a mixed lineup.[/QUOTE]Whoever this "Jimmy" is: he won't be able to answer your questions as he has not been there. This is 1:1 my report which I wrote for the German speaking board "lustscout". He only translated it from German to English.

Greeting from the original writer of this report.

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[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2576087]New Lineup: 50-70 girls (More coming everyday).

1. Ivette.

2. Melissa redhead.

3. Amira.

4. Jessica.

5. Cosmina..[/QUOTE]No Melissa, nor Brenda, nor both Cosmina seen on Thursday. Many new girls with new look.

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2576087]New Lineup: 50-70 girls (More coming everyday).

1. Ivette.

2. Melissa redhead.

3. Amira.

4. Jessica.

5. Cosmina.

6. Nadia.

7. Stella (D).

8. Audrey (D).

9. Brenda.

10. Lina (ROM).

11. Ariella (BUL).

12. Michelle (BUL).

13. Bonita (PHI).

14. Nico (ROM).

15. Jenny 28, Bulgaria, AAA breast.

16. Esther.

17. Melina.

18. Denisa.

19. Esra.

20. Vanessa.

21. Chanel or chantal from Hungary.

22. Rafaella.

23. Cosmina.

24. Cleo.

25. Lena dark hailed ROM, often sits on or near the pole dance stage.

26. Alia / Aliah (RO, 29 years old).

27. Hillary.

28. LUCY, a bleached blonde lady from Czech Republic, often near the waterfall.

29. Filipino lady MARILYN.

30. Naomi.

31. Helen (24) from Nigeria. Slim, well proportioned, half-length, black hair.

32. Stella.

33. Audrey.

Old LineUp Sharks Saturday, March 14th, 2020.

Alina.

Anastasia.

Anca.

Ariana.

Beatrice.

Bella.

Carla.

Cassandra.

Chanel.

Cheyenne.

Conny.

Deborah.

Dilek.

Donna.

Emma.

Esra.

Esther.

Franceska.

Georgiana.

Greta.

Helen.

Ica.

Inka.

Iona.

Jasmin.

Joy.

July.

Kaira.

Katrin.

Lara.

Leana.

Lisa.

Lori.

Marina.

Melanie.

Melody.

Miriam.

Nora.

Roxy.

Sabrina.

Sally.

Scarlett.

Selina.

Sidonia.

Sorina.

Tila.

Vicky.

Viorica.

Zeynep.

Zoe.[/QUOTE]Man, you remind me of the great Syrigges who used to be on this forum many years ago. Good to see so many familiar names.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2576344]Man, you remind me of the great Syrigges who used to be on this forum many years ago. Good to see so many familiar names.[/QUOTE]I like many have heard of the great Syrigges it really seems like the greats have all stopped posting but maybe after the pandemic ends and the guys who actually go to the clubs return to Germany we will see guys of his caliber return and post again.

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2576087]New Lineup: 50-70 girls (More coming everyday).

1. Ivette.

2. Melissa redhead.

3. Amira.

4. Jessica...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the LU, seems we haven't lost all the Sharks, several of these ladies I know and am pleased I can now repeat with them.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2576061]So the Sharks even got more sharky then many of them were before Corona. Let's see what other clubs / girls in the area do, if they all do the same, Hessen can be ignored from now on and back to good old NRW (or maybe BW) or go to CH for same prices but better lineup imho.[/QUOTE]I wish more mongers adopted your mindset. Locals who live close to Darmstadt will continue to visit due to convenience. Driving two hours to save some money or hunt for new beauties is not something many mongers are willing or able to do. Frankfurt is still the hub airport of Germany, so while business and touristic travel levels are still low, many men might still attend Sharks due to this convenience factor. Casual mongers who do not read forums and are unaware of the new 100 EUR 30 min, 150 EUR 60 min pricing will continue to visit. These types of visitors make more sense to me.

I do know some Paris-based "seasoned" mongers who are planning three-day trips in the coming weeks, with full knowledge of the new pricing. This is more frustrating to hear. Because Paris is equidistant from NRW and Frankfurt. If I lived in Paris, personally I would wait it out and visit NRW exclusively for the next six months. Mix in Austria or Spain or even Switzerland, with the hope that Frankfurt pricing returns to "normal". If after six months, pricing remains inflated, then and only then would I accept it and work Frankfurt visits back into the rotation.

I haven't spoken more closely with them. I assume they believe their regulars might give them the grandfathered, legacy pricing. If that is the case, I hope they stay faithful to those regulars. Or the WGs might using the new pricing as leverage to get the mongers to agree to longer rooms. For instance, they can continue to get 100 EUR per 60 min pricing if and only if they agree to 3 hour bookings. The latter arrangement would be more of a compromise where both parties might feel like they came away a winner.

[QUOTE=AlbertBundy;2576349]I like many have heard of the great Syrigges it really seems like the greats have all stopped posting but maybe after the pandemic ends and the guys who actually go to the clubs return to Germany we will see guys of his caliber return and post again.

Thanks for the LU, seems we haven't lost all the Sharks, several of these ladies I know and am pleased I can now repeat with them.[/QUOTE]If you mean Sziggies, he seemed to return home and post in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2576039]Yes, two vaxxed posters a few posts down have visited Samya, no tests needed. They can speak up and contribute against the misinformation if they see fit.[/QUOTE]Read on Samya thread those who really visit, asked for a less than 48 hours negative test. What I heard on my whole visit, often staying in entry close to desk to escape bad DJ music. Better music on late night yesterday at Globe, 60's /70's blues / rock music, really good surprise.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2576344]Man, you remind me of the great Syrigges who used to be on this forum many years ago. Good to see so many familiar names.[/QUOTE]It's actually Syzygies.

[QUOTE=Nieimleben1234;2576240]Whoever this "Jimmy" is: he won't be able to answer your questions as he has not been there. This is 1:1 my report which I wrote for the German speaking board "lustscout". He only translated it from German to English.

Greeting from the original writer of this report.[/QUOTE]Many fakers, some with several profiles, in this business. Unfortunately for me, didn't see any impressive look on 1 July and same at Oase. Not at Oase, but saw many really not pretty and some really fat at Sharks, so far below Megan or Karina or Florentina or Tamara on June 2018 . Really wish castings will improve, when didn't even speak with any girl about room. Saw many guys not running for looks. Time will say for level and Globe rates for supermodels, king Globe where I needed 9 hours to find a good girl on Saturday which is best casting day. Maybe too picky, but I need to dream.

[QUOTE=AlbertBundy;2576349]I like many have heard of the great Syrigges it really seems like the greats have all stopped posting but maybe after the pandemic ends and the guys who actually go to the clubs return to Germany we will see guys of his caliber return and post again.[/QUOTE]Syzygies had already left Germany some years before Covid started when his posting to Germany ended. He then continued to be active in the Bangkok thread for some years before Covid struck Thailand. Maybe he is now back in the Australian covid prison.
I had found his 'starred' recommendations very helpful as his taste for slim girls coincided with mine.

Sharkshunter,

Thanks for the line up.

Is the Cosmina the 2019 or the original (Evita's companion) one? Or were both there - as there were 2 Cosminas (#5 and #23) in your list?

[QUOTE=Maxime;2576061]Thanks for the review Jimmy. So the Sharks even got more sharky then many of them were before Corona. Let's see what other clubs / girls in the area do, if they all do the same, Hessen can be ignored from now on and back to good old NRW (or maybe BW) or go to CH for same prices but better lineup imho.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it's best not to thank users that rip off reports from the German forums. For all I know he's sitting in Atlanta, Georgia somewhere and hasn't set foot in Germany for years.

"Jimmy Fiddle's" post (#24703) is an exact copy paste, and google translate of the report here on the German forums:

https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192453


Really pathetic.

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2576073]Thanks for your report Jimmy!

Curious how many girls total on the lineup?

2-3 stunners 9-10's?

5-10 average 7-8's?

10-20 mediocre 6's.

10-20 below average 5's?

Heading to Frankfurt Monday will be staying at Sharks and probably venture to Oase to see a mixed lineup.[/QUOTE]This user most likely wasn't there.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2576500]Perhaps it's best not to thank users that rip off reports from the German forums. For all I know he's sitting in Atlanta, Georgia somewhere and hasn't set foot in Germany for years.

"Jimmy Fiddle's" post (#24703) is an exact copy paste, and google translate of the report here on the German forums:

https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192453


Really pathetic.[/QUOTE]I clicked on that link on my laptop and didn't see where it was plagiarized. Is that the right link (lustscout)? Just wondering. I'm curious how you know he's in Atlanta, Georgia. I agree it'd be pathetic if it turns out to be plagiarizing.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2576409]Read on Samya thread those who really visit, asked for a less than 48 hours negative test. What I heard on my whole visit, often staying in entry close to desk to escape bad DJ music. Better music on late night yesterday at Globe, 60's /70's blues / rock music, really good surprise.[/QUOTE]Talk to your former French forum rival who posted here or our common Lucifer GT friend.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2576500]Perhaps it's best not to thank users that rip off reports from the German forums. For all I know he's sitting in Atlanta, Georgia somewhere and hasn't set foot in Germany for years.

"Jimmy Fiddle's" post (#24703) is an exact copy paste, and google translate of the report here on the German forums:

https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192453


Really pathetic.[/QUOTE]Well, a real report from a true ATLien will be coming up soon!

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2576491]Sharkshunter,

Thanks for the line up.

Is the Cosmina the 2019 or the original (Evita's companion) one? Or were both there - as there were 2 Cosminas (#5 and #23) in your list?[/QUOTE]I think to remember last Cosmina with fishnet stockings moved to Finca before covid, as Bibi? No both Cosmina, Evita, not even Melissa seen. New looks on new standard, not for me. Like locals, can visit Sharks to eat, wellness, relax, for only 50 for entry, and not the end of the world if no pretty girl for 100/60 , when less than 10% Globe looks worth 130 €/30 mn for me and Sharks looks seen are far below.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2576522]I clicked on that link on my laptop and didn't see where it was plagiarized. Is that the right link (lustscout)? Just wondering. I'm curious how you know he's in Atlanta, Georgia. I agree it'd be pathetic if it turns out to be plagiarizing.[/QUOTE]Its exactly the same, word for word. Just translated, probably via google.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2576438]It's actually Syzygies.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the correction. He posted during the Golden age of FKKs when he used to give an almost daily account of the girls who were available at FKKs. He subsequently moved to Thailand. He stopped posting when covid struck in March 2020 and Sirioja has since overtaken him in most posts on ISG.

I am planning a trip (July 16th and 17th) and would be very much interested in Ruby.

Does anybody know here or even better has any ideal where she is right now?

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2576087]New Lineup: 50-70 girls (More coming everyday).

1. Ivette.

2. Melissa redhead.

3. Amira..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Senex;2576698]I am planning a trip (July 16th and 17th) and would be very much interested in Ruby.

Does anybody know here or even better has any ideal where she is right now?[/QUOTE]Too add to this post I would appreciate any info on line ups at Sharks in the coming weeks as well as the current much discussed service levels & new pricing policies of the girls.

I am planning my first trip since lockdown early next month & the reports in the following few short weeks could have an influence as to whether I visit Sharks or venture to another Club.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2576542]Talk to your former French forum rival who posted here or our common Lucifer GT friend.[/QUOTE]I don't know your ghosts, but I heard on my visit and read exactly same than my experience by another who at least visited and wrote on Samya thread. A bit same than your French bald friend here writing about Samya without visiting, just fake. I answered you for early October before snow, to climb up to legendary Verbier. Ch, when Zoncolan is too far to drive for you, but I will be around mid August, for my holidays. Made driving runs very often up to Verbier, but never bicycle climbed. But I m sure much more difficult than Koln forrest. Good example is one of the best VTT racer, aiming Tokyo gold medal, but on only small mountains, not my highest ranked legends, not even Verbier, he exploded far behind, despite his yellow suit, not even going on next day. Not same sport, only marathon can compete with bicycle climbing when your heart will be in full charge for hours.

Now entry at Sharks is 65 Euro on Friday and Saturday. The other days 50 Euro.

[QUOTE=Senex;2576698]I am planning a trip (July 16th and 17th) and would be very much interested in Ruby.

Does anybody know here or even better has any ideal where she is right now?[/QUOTE]She used to escort in Darmstadt under the name of Anja, but her ad seems to have been deleted from ladies. De. So she may be back at Sharks now.

Gentleman,

Do I need test at entrance if I have fully vaccinated?

It used to be a train directly from Frankfurt HBF to Darmsdadt north every two hrs. Is it still valid? I could not find that route anymore from RMV site.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577189]Yeah, you do. And as the German slogan states, G, G, G. Tested, recovered, or vaccinated. Verified by all boots on the ground except for your claims. Germany later this month and anywhere in Europe in late early October. Just pick. I can travel anywhere.[/QUOTE]Up to Verbier in Wallis Switzerland on early October before snow risk and ask all your ghosts to come to support you. 2 hours from Cleo, 3 hours from Globe. I read for GGG, but not what I heard from Samya desk, when at least I really visited, not only hearing in corridors.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577273]Discussed thoroughly in this thread. Every source except Siri says just vax. Use that info how you see fit.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Prominent posters on some German forums have confirmed the 3 G policy at Sharks.

As per the 3rd last bullet point of the Hessen regulations, vaccinated and recovered people are freed from any testing obligation. [URL]https://www.hessen.de/sites/default/files/media/corona-regeln_in_hessen250621_final.pdf[/URL].

One of The VIP members from Lustscout, "DownToBuck", posted by far the most informative and detailed lineup info. Please go to website to view it.

[URL]https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=82631&pid=1084374[/URL]#pid1084374.

According to the post, even if it was Monday, there were about 50 WGs including some 20 new girls. Some pre-pandemic famous Sharks girls have come back.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2577216]It used to be a train directly from Frankfurt HBF to Darmsdadt north every two hrs. Is it still valid? I could not find that route anymore from RMV site.[/QUOTE]When I checked yesterday, it seems to be still available. Maybe VIA trains do not list on RMV site?

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2577366]When I checked yesterday, it seems to be still available. Maybe VIA trains do not list on RMV site?[/QUOTE]As an alternative, you can take a cheap fast bus from Frankfurt airport directly to Darmstadt.

Take "Airliner" bus from airport direct to Darmstadt.

PDF of the schedule:

[URL]https://www.heagmobibus.de/sites/default/files/media/Airliner_Faltblatt_2019.pdf[/URL]

Costs 11 E.

Bus Stops: T1:14, T2 Hall E, exit 8.

This is my info from a pre-COVID trip. Not certain it is still available.

[QUOTE=Mechelen;2577103]Now entry at Sharks is 65 Euro on Friday and Saturday. The other days 50 Euro.[/QUOTE]Really wish casting will really improve compare to 1 July, for entry increased to 65 on 2 best casting days, Friday and Saturday used to be. 150/30 or 200/250/60 are rates for elegant supermodels who are lovely super GFE for love in bed. When nearly had my first real wow since reopening, at Globe for 130 €, wait to find same level if same rate.

I am planning a trip (July 16th and 17th) and would be very much interested in Ruby.

Does anybody know here or even better has any ideal where she is right now?

[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2576087]New Lineup: 50-70 girls (More coming everyday).

1. Ivette.

2. Melissa redhead.

3. Amira.

4. Jessica.

5. Cosmina.

6. Nadia.

7. Stella (D)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2577417]As an alternative, you can take a cheap fast bus from Frankfurt airport directly to Darmstadt.

Take "Airliner" bus from airport direct to Darmstadt.

PDF of the schedule:

[URL]https://www.heagmobibus.de/sites/default/files/media/Airliner_Faltblatt_2019.pdf[/URL]

Costs 11 E.

Bus Stops: T1:14, T2 Hall E, exit 8.

This is my info from a pre-COVID trip. Not certain it is still available.[/QUOTE]Der Airliner yellow double decker bus.

In Terminal 1 Arrival area B, Gate 3 and stop 14.

T2 as mentioned by Shiny Hall E exit 8 outside the the arrival area D&E.

Every 30 minutes the buses come.

Stops in Damstadt Hbfmain, Darmstadt Luisenplatz convention centre.

Enjoy.

As said it is a precovid schedule. Please check the present situation.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2577366]When I checked yesterday, it seems to be still available. Maybe VIA trains do not list on RMV site?[/QUOTE]Where can I check the schedule? Besides RMV?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2577417]As an alternative, you can take a cheap fast bus from Frankfurt airport directly to Darmstadt.

Take "Airliner" bus from airport direct to Darmstadt.

PDF of the schedule:

[URL]https://www.heagmobibus.de/sites/default/files/media/Airliner_Faltblatt_2019.pdf[/URL]

Costs 11 E.

Bus Stops: T1:14, T2 Hall E, exit 8.

This is my info from a pre-COVID trip. Not certain it is still available.[/QUOTE]I am not coming directly from [URL]Airport.Com[/URL]ing from Frankfurt HBF instead.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2577576]Where can I check the schedule? Besides RMV?

Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bahn.com/en#slc.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577341]Okay! No ghosts, only me. Unless they want to come video. Now just a hard date and a wager. I propose 4th October. Entry and 1 hour room at Sharks.

No corridor, needed. Live humans who visited Samya say differently. Called Sharks directly, they say differently. Websites say differently. G,G,G Geimpft, genesen oder getestet. Key word is "oder," as in English "or," French "ou alors. " Vaccine, Recovery, [B]OR[/B] test.

Funny how so many questions can be answered by just picking up the telephone can calling the clubs directly.[/QUOTE]On Saturday 2 or 9 October, because can't plan job for October. Ask from Zurich to come to make his strava. If not raining, I should be topless. I was asked for negative test and they checked on my phone and also my ID when I really visited Samya, Sharks and Oase. No test asked in Switzerland.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2576569]I think to remember last Cosmina with fishnet stockings moved to Finca before covid, as Bibi? No both Cosmina, Evita, not even Melissa seen. New looks on new standard, not for me. Like locals, can visit Sharks to eat, wellness, relax, for only 50 for entry, and not the end of the world if no pretty girl for 100/60 , when less than 10% Globe looks worth 130 /30 mn for me and Sharks looks seen are far below.[/QUOTE]Seen ex Ester business sister, tall blond who put silicon and big lips, usually sitting close to pole.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2577354]According to the post, even if it was Monday, there were about 50 WGs including some 20 new girls. Some pre-pandemic famous Sharks girls have come back.[/QUOTE]German forums report that some Sharks WGs continue to try their luck with working private incall. There are at least four in the Frankfurt area: Annika, Dilek, Helen, Yvonne. None of them have face photos. But for a tits-fetishist, I suspect all four would hold appeal. The WGs that worked private during lockdown and were sighted at Sharks over the last few weeks seem to outnumber the previous list: Melissa, Esra, Esther, Chanel.

I expect some WGs may move back and forth before deciding on a work format that is more suitable for them. Some may have found that they made more working private. Some may have found that they made slightly less working private, but just preferred working private. And for the ones who are making more as a private, there is no guarantee that it will continue to be the case in the future.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2577216]It used to be a train directly from Frankfurt HBF to Darmsdadt north every two hrs. Is it still valid? I could not find that route anymore from RMV site.[/QUOTE]Line RB82 leaves Frankfurt Main station very two hours roughly, but about once a hour on weekdays during rush hours.

[URL]https://www.rmv.de/c/fileadmin/import/timetable/RMV_Linienfahrplan_G_80_ab_13.12.20_bis_11.12.21.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577632]On Saturday 2 or 9 October, because can't plan job for October. Ask from Zurich to come to make his strava. If not raining, I should be topless. I was asked for negative test and they checked on my phone and also my ID when I really visited Samya, Sharks and Oase. No test asked in Switzerland.[/QUOTE]Geesuz. Sharks desk literally says vaccine 2 weeks prior or other 2 G's.

Maybe they ask for test when you don't have vaccine. You're wrong. Everyone says otherwise. Please stop misinforming the board because of ego.

Don't worry about others. Worry about yourself. Okay 2nd October, Verbier. Now make a man's wager. Hell, let's just make it 1000 euro.

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2574825]You can take a test at Sharks for 5 euros of go to various places in Germany and take a test and they will give you a certificate. Showing a negative white stick won't get you in, as you point out knows when or indeed who took the test.

In Hesse you need a negative test within the last 24 hours to check into a hotel so I assume also for Sharks test needs to be in the last 24 hours.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2574851]Are you not ashamed to write things like that. If 1 day we want to go out of the pandemic we will have to follow all the rules and regulations and not trying to cheat, why are you cheating with your heath and with the health of the others?[/QUOTE]Ashamed to ask questions? No, I want to know because there is a big difference between just taking a test at home and show att the reception or having to go to a real place and get a certificate. With a certificate, it feels better because I know that no one will show old tests when they enter.

How are the Asian hunters coping without Asians?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2577935]How are the Asian hunters coping without Asians?[/QUOTE]They gather around isolated German Stammgaeste in groups of two with their line "2 Frauen?" before they are told to kindly fuck off.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2577935]How are the Asian hunters coping without Asians?[/QUOTE]Asians were rare on 1 July. Same at Oase.

What about re-entry policy now? Is it still active or suspended due to COVID restrictions?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577850]Geesuz. Sharks desk literally says vaccine 2 weeks prior or other 2 G's.

Maybe they ask for test when you don't have vaccine. You're wrong. Everyone says otherwise. Please stop misinforming the board because of ego.

Don't worry about others. Worry about yourself. Okay 2nd October, Verbier. Now make a man's wager. Hell, let's just make it 1000 euro.[/QUOTE]If clubs don't ask for negative test, with delta very fast spreading everywhere, then they make big mistake and take big risk to be closed as cluster, when many vaccinated are positive. Negative test is more safe than vaccinated who can still spread. I wait for 2 October, just for pleasure to discover my beloved Verbier climbing I m used to push with car, topless if not raining, impossible to miss me when no other topless, when guys have teams suit, but I'm not paid to wear.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2577896]Thanks for the clarification.

Ashamed to ask questions? No, I want to know because there is a big difference between just taking a test at home and show att the reception or having to go to a real place and get a certificate. With a certificate, it feels better because I know that no one will show old tests when they enter.[/QUOTE]I'm always wondering that the validation of the test is the only concern people seem to have.

Do you never have the unlikely event in mind that your test could be positive? As we all know, you don't have to feel sick when having Corona.

What's the fun in coming to Germany from abroad, looking forward to visit some FKK clubs, but ending up in 2 weeks quarantine in a hotel room that you have to pay yourself? Ok, the risk is small. But it's definitely there.

I'm serious with this question because it prevented me to travel anywhere abroad until I was fully vaccinated. (Hoping for an answer different to "My test has to be negative. It's god-given."

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2574825]You can take a test at Sharks for 5 euros of go to various places in Germany and take a test and they will give you a certificate. Showing a negative white stick won't get you in, as you point out knows when or indeed who took the test.

In Hesse you need a negative test within the last 24 hours to check into a hotel so I assume also for Sharks test needs to be in the last 24 hours.[/QUOTE]48 hours negative test for clubs. I don't know for hotels.

[QUOTE=Nieimleben1234;2578053]I'm always wondering that the validation of the test is the only concern people seem to have.

Do you never have the unlikely event in mind that your test could be positive? As we all know, you don't have to feel sick when having Corona.

What's the fun in coming to Germany from abroad, looking forward to visit some FKK clubs, but ending up in 2 weeks quarantine in a hotel room that you have to pay yourself? Ok, the risk is small. But it's definitely there.

I'm serious with this question because it prevented me to travel anywhere abroad until I was fully vaccinated. (Hoping for an answer different to "My test has to be negative. It's god-given."[/QUOTE]I'm definitely not worried about whether the test is positive or negative, the risk is so small that it's positive. 2020 and 2021 I traveled more than ever before, perfect to visit the tourist traps in Spain & Italy when there were almost no tourists there. Also the escorts were very nice. I do not care at all about this virus, but of course I follow the rules / laws in the country I'm visiting. If there is a law saying I need to quarantine in case of a positive test I will of course do it. If there is a law saying I need to provide a certificate to proof I have a negative test to enter Sharks I will do. But if it had been possible to bring my own test from home and show it I would have done it instead of having to go to a test center. I'm visiting Sharks in about 3 weeks, looking forward to it.

By the way, is it still dessuous tag on Tuesdays? I can't find anything about it on the website nowadays.

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Over the weekend I attended FKK Sharks. Reception told me that there were about 80 ladies present and that the Asian buffet would be served (as usual) but as it turned out there was no Asian buffet and there certainly were not 80 ladies present. Between 10 PM and 1 AM in the morning there was not a thing to eat. No pudding, fruit or cookies to be had, just a few slices of cake. At the grill I was informed the food was inside and inside was told outside. WTF?? The staff was just rude and later on the way out the receptionist blew smoke up my you know what feeding me a mound of manure. Just a debacle. The bar was packed, no seats and was so full of tripods that the poor bartenders couldn't keep up with demand. Bring an oxygen tank, the place has more smoke in it than even the Fire Department could take on if called.

I almost left early unfucked but a regular (Melanie) from Golden Time came out of the locker area (where all the locals sit) near the entry. Greed seems to be rife here as she demanded 100430 with BBBJ. I ended up squirting on her silicone mounds.

One would be hard pressed to find any Stammgast who could actually say that they had enjoyed FKK Sharks and to make matters worse I really got a goose egg for my entry fee. Finally I hit the shower, got my personal stuff and split only to force my way through a packed house in the front. The RLD would have been better; one of my worst club visits ever. Maybe in a few months I will return.

Its hard to keep a good guy down. Thanks for your support. I will report again soon. Sorry for interrupting all the Covid talk.

Jimmy.

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2578112]Over the weekend I attended FKK Sharks.
Its hard to keep a good guy down. Thanks for your support. I will report again soon. Sorry for interrupting all the Covid talk.

Jimmy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. This is what we all need! Real reviews rather than speculation. I only wish the news were good. Let's hope this is only a temporary bump in the road. If you find a club that has reopened with service oriented girls, please scream from the highest mountain!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2578108]Wrong. No negative test needed for Sharks. Just show you're not a COVIDIOT and show them you are fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]I answered not 24 hours test, but 48 hours, when I think negative test is more safe than vaccinated positive spreading. But I never said not to vaccine, nobody can say this, but many vaccinated are delta positive and can spread, when papy is back playing chess. I was happy to see him.

Back to Sharks: I plan my next visit within the next 1-2 weeks. You'll then get a real report from someone that really knows how the Sharks looks from the inside.

In general: Reports in German boards say the Line-Up improves day by day and that the standard prices are at least available for the well-known returning guests of the girls.

I also visited other FKK clubs in Germany recently. And my impression is that the first big (OK, really big) wave of male customers flooding almost every club after the re-openings already flattens a bit. There are still more men than normal, but it gets better slowly.

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2578112]Over the weekend I attended FKK Sharks. Reception told me that there were about 80 ladies present and that the Asian buffet would be served (as usual) but as it turned out there was no Asian buffet and there certainly were not 80 ladies present. Between 10 PM and 1 AM in the morning there was not a thing to eat. No pudding, fruit or cookies to be had, just a few slices of cake. At the grill I was informed the food was inside and inside was told outside. WTF?? The staff was just rude and later on the way out the receptionist blew smoke up my you know what feeding me a mound of manure. Just a debacle. The bar was packed, no seats and was so full of tripods that the poor bartenders couldn't keep up with demand. Bring an oxygen tank, the place has more smoke in it than even the Fire Department could take on if called.

I almost left early unfucked but a regular (Melanie) from Golden Time came out of the locker area (where all the locals sit) near the entry. Greed seems to be rife here as she demanded 100430 with BBBJ. I ended up squirting on her silicone mounds.

One would be hard pressed to find any Stammgast who could actually say that they had enjoyed FKK Sharks and to make matters worse I really got a goose egg for my entry fee. Finally I hit the shower, got my personal stuff and split only to force my way through a packed house in the front. The RLD would have been better; one of my worst club visits ever. Maybe in a few months I will return..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the update. How was the prices? 50/30 100/60 long gone?

[QUOTE=Kippen;2578282]Thank you for the update. How was the prices? 50/30 100/60 long gone?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2578166]Thanks for the report. This is what we all need! Real reviews rather than speculation. I only wish the news were good. Let's hope this is only a temporary bump in the road. If you find a club that has reopened with service oriented girls, please scream from the highest mountain![/QUOTE]

He wasn't there. The report he gave was plagiarised from the German forums. Could people please stop encouraging this?

Source is this report: https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192538

Google translated and posted here. 3rd time this user has done this. (check world thread)

The reports from the German forums on Sharks are largely very negative currently. If any of you decide to go (which I wouldn't advise), keep your expectations in check. Upselling is rampant and there are too many guests for the number of girls there.

Up to you, as always.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2578353]The reports from the German forums on Sharks are largely very negative currently. If any of you decide to go (which I wouldn't advise), keep your expectations in check. Upselling is rampant and there are too many guests for the number of girls there.

Up to you, as always.[/QUOTE]Guests will continue to attend. Some unaware of the new prices. And some able to tolerate the new prices (at least for time being) due to being away from the club so long and wanting to make up for lost time.

Wondering if this WSJ prediction for general consumer behavior applies to monger spending behavior:

[QUOTE]Some 48% of small businesses indicated that they raised average selling prices in May, the highest share since 1981, according to a survey conducted by the National Federation of Independent Business, a trade association.
The unique dynamics of reopening an economy that is powered by consumer spending are at play, Ms. Bostjancic said. Consumers are willing to shell out more than they might be normally, thanks to a year of being cooped up at home and the extra savings many households have amassed.

“That type of price increase won’t be with us next year because consumers will balk at it. We may even see prices revert back to a lower level,” she said, referring to the sharp rise in car-rental prices. “There’s only so much time people are going to be willing to say, ‘OK, I’ll pay a little more. I’ve gotten government assistance, and I’ve built up savings. I haven’t been out in a while. Whatever it takes, I’ll pay for it.’”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/us-inflation-consumer-price-index-may-2021-11623288303

Used: https://archive.is/..[/QUOTE]So perhaps some local mongers are willing to pay 150 EUR this summer, but will balk at it the next summer.

An VIP Member of German forum, " Spider1 hb" And "Hhlenschlumpf" posted current Sharks lineup.

We should appreciate their hard work!

Alma.

Amanda.

Angie.

Assia.

Audrey.

Brenda.

Chanel.

Cosmina.

Daria.

Emma.

Esra.

Helen.

Ica.

Jessica.

Kaira.

Katalina.

Lila.

Lulu.

Marina.

Melina.

Monica.

Olympia.

Ruby.

Sabrina.

Sandra.

Selma.

Serena.

Silvana.

Thea.

Viorica.

Yellis.

Another member, " Hhlenschlumpf", also added some new faces.

Alina (Ex World, secure back-up for service).

Debbie.

Luna.

Sara (h), red-brown hair, green eyes, light skin, slim but not skinny, new (back), very withdrawn to the left of the large staircase.

Sabrina (Ex World).

Florina 20 yo.

Ella (19 yo, very pretty, but caution, see some reports here, thanks for the warnings).

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2578353]The reports from the German forums on Sharks are largely very negative currently. If any of you decide to go (which I wouldn't advise), keep your expectations in check. Upselling is rampant and there are too many guests for the number of girls there.

Up to you, as always.[/QUOTE]Making my return in four weeks so I sincerely hope things greatly improve by then otherwise I will be leaving with a much fuller wallet than usual!

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2578353]The reports from the German forums on Sharks are largely very negative currently. If any of you decide to go (which I wouldn't advise), keep your expectations in check. Upselling is rampant and there are too many guests for the number of girls there.

Up to you, as always.[/QUOTE]I know I m different but Sharks really improved for looks with some new girls, I think I could go with around 6 looks, long time I don t find anymore 6 attractive looks at Globe, when I find one, this is Christmas day like on last Saturday when it was about to close. Sharks is back to 2019 with granny Sylvana who survived, like papy, long time since 2014 Cosmina, Viorica, friendly Madalina and Ester and her blond who turned silicon sister, friendly Sabina and Alina ex World, Brenda but with less impressive tits, I think Jellis now silicon, Kaira, Latvian Marina. And most important for me, some new natural beauties, only with flesh, no plastic, my 2 with almost no tattoos, but only fresh flesh to taste, twice for 1 hour, both telling 50/30 , rubbing clit on tongue helping to get pleasure, giving back with 2 really good BBBJ. Both were real pleasure, even I m sure could have reached exceptional with second one if I went with her when I noticed her, then I would have been her first at Sharks, rather than waiting for 9 hours, so bad hunter, I would die from starvation in jungle, when I was not able to jump on her like did others, so when she was full busy for 8 hours, I got her quite exhausted, my fault, too used my girls came to me, I hate to have to hunt, even for virgin, milky skin beauty like her, but our hour was a real pleasure. Maybe I will have to improve, maybe she will return to me, to repeat in better condition for both. Not able to hunt, couldn't get a German beauty who stayed only around 2 hours. When heard about 100/150/30 and 200/250/60 , my experience was fully different, being told basic is 50/30 , then just have to be able to play, my experience at Oase but easier game at Sharks, one good game being to give to receive. 240 for 2 hours in room with 2 beauties I would be happy to see same level of look at Globe. Entry 65 and I prefer their test for 5 € than for free in France. Even I was very tired from belly unfortunately again, but long time I didn't enjoy Sharks like this when I could go with 3 real beauties if I was a better hunter. Pist, 2 small cute babes, maximum 150 and 40 kgs, one blond with pony tail and so cute pear natural tits, reminding Angie 2018 before horror and 1 brunette with milky skin, but not my type when I need woman look. Also 3 black girls and 1 model type. Wish Sharks will keep on in good way like this for me, to repeat. Good day for 310 . They finish breakfast at 3 pm, I was just on time, eating salmon and can diner until after midnight.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578196]I answered not 24 hours test, but 48 hours, when I think negative test is more safe than vaccinated positive spreading. But I never said not to vaccine, nobody can say this, but many vaccinated are delta positive and can spread, when papy is back playing chess. I was happy to see him.[/QUOTE]I always wanted to challenge the chess players but I doubt I would be able to concentrate.

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2578112]Over the weekend I attended FKK Sharks. Reception told me that there were about 80 ladies present and that the Asian buffet would be served (as usual) but as it turned out there was no Asian buffet and there certainly were not 80 ladies present. Between 10 PM and 1 AM in the morning there was not a thing to eat. No pudding, fruit or cookies to be had, just a few slices of cake. At the grill I was informed the food was inside and inside was told outside. WTF?? The staff was just rude and later on the way out the receptionist blew smoke up my you know what feeding me a mound of manure. Just a debacle. [/QUOTE]Sharks's management team probably anticipates that it will soon be over again with the 're-openings,' so they are doing what the upselling sharky WGs are doing: squeeze as much cash as possible from all the suckers who believe the "just-get-vaccinated-and-then-all-be-normal-again" government propaganda! LOL!

Most FKK clubs are "open" in name only, almost all line-ups are crap, upselling is rampant, sausage fests everywhere, and with the exception of FKK World, almost no FKK club has used the more than 1 year downtime to make long-term improvements to the clubs.

Obviously most FKK clubs are not buying the "everything-will-be-normal-again-with-the-vaccine" bullshit either, and they just want to make some quick cash before everything closes again.

Yes also tattooed German Debbi, but 2 Romanian natural beauties for me, my best, when my expectation was high after so pretty Russian Lily on Thursday in Paris. I went to test engine, balance and grip, no pressure, if I didn't find, no problem, I would keep on test to Lörrach and Globe, but after really good surprise, no need for more expensive with less freshness Globe, only test today, thanks to German RS6 then RS5 in so fast, twice Swiss snails, curves between Kaiserlautern and Trier, despite fucking electronic quattro new generation, sliding 4 wheels on sunny dry. Really good game. I love Germany for this, when Switzerland is prison.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2578601]I always wanted to challenge the chess players but I doubt I would be able to concentrate.[/QUOTE]Papy come with his chess game, funny, but he doesn't seem to find a new small GF, like he used to before covid.

[QUOTE=Canary;2578530]Making my return in four weeks so I sincerely hope things greatly improve by then otherwise I will be leaving with a much fuller wallet than usual![/QUOTE]If you can come, Sharks really improved since 1 July and no upselling for me when I avoid to speak about money and play grocer. 240 € for 2 1 hour rooms, both girls really good for BBBJ for about 15 mn.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578545]I know I m different but Sharks really improved for looks with some new girls, I think I could go with around 6 looks, long time I don t find anymore 6 attractive looks at Globe, when I find one, this is Christmas day like on last Saturday when it was about to close.[/QUOTE]If Siri could find at least six girls to go with, the place must be absolutely rocking! I hope I will be able to visit in September.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2578448]An VIP Member of German forum, " Spider1 hb" And "Hhlenschlumpf" posted current Sharks lineup.

We should appreciate their hard work! .[/QUOTE]List appreciated. I'm hoping my two favorites return: Scarlet and Franceska (sp?) . If anyone sees them, I'd appreciate a post.

I'm diving back in this October. Thinking positive. Hoping for the best.

[QUOTE=ChuckZ;2578742]List appreciated. I'm hoping my two favorites return: Scarlet and Franceska (sp?) . If anyone sees them, I'd appreciate a post.

I'm diving back in this October. Thinking positive. Hoping for the best.[/QUOTE]If tall blond Francesca sitting at the bar close to German table, didn't see her on 1 and 9. Don't know who are Scarlet nor Ruby. Girls are returning, Sylvana of course and so long time Cosmina still on very few Asians business. Nothing change, fortunately enjoyable fresh new blood.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2578601]I always wanted to challenge the chess players but I doubt I would be able to concentrate.[/QUOTE]Speaking of chess, the girl in Queens Gambit is hot.

I always wondered how much the play of Kasparov or Magnus Carlsen would drop if they were to play while getting a blow job. Could they even beat an international master in such a match?

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578670]Sharks's management team probably anticipates that it will soon be over again with the 're-openings,' so they are doing what the upselling sharky WGs are doing: squeeze as much cash as possible from all the suckers who believe the "just-get-vaccinated-and-then-all-be-normal-again" government propaganda! LOL!

Most FKK clubs are "open" in name only, almost all line-ups are crap, upselling is rampant, sausage fests everywhere, and with the exception of FKK World, almost no FKK club has used the more than 1 year downtime to make long-term improvements to the clubs.

Obviously most FKK clubs are not buying the "everything-will-be-normal-again-with-the-vaccine" bullshit either, and they just want to make some quick cash before everything closes again.[/QUOTE]I didn't count because quantity is not quality for me, but more than 50 girls. Become gay party at 1/2 am.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2578702]If Siri could find at least six girls to go with, the place must be absolutely rocking! I hope I will be able to visit in September.[/QUOTE]Disappointing casting on Thursday 1 July, but good for my eyes on Friday 9 July. 2 pretty are too small little girls for me, but pretty little dolls, 1 blond and 1 black hair. First time since GT Vienna discovery on July 2020, I could go with 3 girls. First was easy, welcoming me. Then as a so bad hunter, needed more than 6 hours to get the busiest of this day and was not able to get fast German who stayed only 2 hours. After wow look Russian Lily and what I saw and got at Sharks, no need to take risk for Globe where less freshness, even my Swiss discovery was fresh for look and still in bed at 2.45 am and it will be complicated to meet her again with her schedule.

[QUOTE=ChuckZ;2578742]List appreciated. I'm hoping my two favorites return: Scarlet and Franceska (sp?) . If anyone sees them, I'd appreciate a post.

I'm diving back in this October. Thinking positive. Hoping for the best.[/QUOTE]Franceska is Rumanian, and she always tried to upsell anal to me. She's nice though, and she won't insist or give you bad service if you say "no thanks."

I really liked her friend, Steffi, also from Rumania. A real sweetheart, usually wearing a towel around her hips, but a great body. They would usually sit together at the bar, on the side towards the restaurant.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578690]If you can come, Sharks really improved since 1 July and no upselling for me when I avoid to speak about money and play grocer. 240 for 2 1 hour rooms, both girls really good for BBBJ for about 15 mn.[/QUOTE]Siri you have said so many times that you left FKKs with full balls when I found so many to session with. Now you had 2 one hour rooms with girls in one visit? Why am I here? I should be in Germany. Damn.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2578973]Siri you have said so many times that you left FKKs with full balls when I found so many to session with. Now you had 2 one hour rooms with girls in one visit? Why am I here? I should be in Germany. Damn.[/QUOTE]I was so often disappointed by casting since 2017, except exceptional rare Tamara. Ro on 2 week ends on mid June 2018, but she left after less than 2 weeks, when I couldn't find only 1 girl when was told more than 200 girls, so I often wrote my frustration in front of numerous casting but low level for looks and many Sharks girls hated me for my writings, I was threatened by a jealous German who tried to make me kicked out by staff, who told girls not to go with me, but failed as he was told by staff, being still welcome by desk, when no girl never complained after a room with me. I was even told I would be sent guys to make me stop, but I never did, but of course, I always much prefer to write positive from my visit when I spend money, at least entry and trip, and after real Russian beauty escort in Paris on Thursday and really enjoyable Swiss part timer at Globe on previous Saturday, on this standards, I got a really good surprise on this Friday at Sharks. I was just on time to get good breakfast with salmon and eggs, then unfortunately my belly turned not so good, wish will be good for my climbing tour start on 14 July if not raining, but seeing some new looks I was motivated by freshness you can't find at Globe except Swiss on her first day. Targeted 3 new looks, could get only 2 because I m really not a good hunter and enjoyed both. Will return to see if one can be exceptional when not exhausted. On this visit, Sharks worked for me and didn't speed to Globe but to Trier on next day. A good day for 310 including entry and test which is easier less deep at Sharks than in France.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578920]Franceska is Rumanian, and she always tried to upsell anal to me. She's nice though, and she won't insist or give you bad service if you say "no thanks."

I really liked her friend, Steffi, also from Rumania. A real sweetheart, usually wearing a towel around her hips, but a great body. They would usually sit together at the bar, on the side towards the restaurant.[/QUOTE]None seen on my 2 visits.

Any of the MILF squad back yet?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578690]If you can come, Sharks really improved since 1 July and no upselling for me when I avoid to speak about money and play grocer. 240 for 2 1 hour rooms, both girls really good for BBBJ for about 15 mn.[/QUOTE]Nice to hear that someone got to pay normal prices. Maybe after all I should not cancel my trip to Sharks in early August. I refuse to contribute to the increased prices.

Thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579087]....I was just on time to get good breakfast with salmon and eggs....[/QUOTE]Salmon for breakfast at Sharks? It gets even better. I've never seen salmon at Sharks. Other FKKs yes, but never at Sharks.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2579285]Any of the MILF squad back yet?[/QUOTE]Latvian Marina. A not pretty Thai , maybe from Bruggen. No Anjelika seen. Kaira silicon on German table.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2579366]Salmon for breakfast at Sharks? It gets even better. I've never seen salmon at Sharks. Other FKKs yes, but never at Sharks.[/QUOTE]Not new, I use to eat Salmon on Sharks and Oase breakfast since years, even on weekends at World before. When you are used to make sport, breakfast is the most important meal.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2579360]Nice to hear that someone got to pay normal prices. Maybe after all I should not cancel my trip to Sharks in early August. I refuse to contribute to the increased prices.

Thanks for the update.[/QUOTE]Don't believe all in FKK land. We are different so we have different experiences. Maybe like at Oase, long time girls upsell, but new ones who are more attractive for me, didn't. I saw my 2 girls having mostly fast rooms, only rabbits fault, when they didn't tell me they wanted we finish fast. If second was not so exhausted at 2.30 am and if I felt better, I would have kept on over 1 hour. We experience from what we are. Germans are not reference for me, we don t play same game.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578670]Sharks's management team probably anticipates that it will soon be over again with the 're-openings,' so they are doing what the upselling sharky WGs are doing: squeeze as much cash as possible from all the suckers who believe the "just-get-vaccinated-and-then-all-be-normal-again" government propaganda! LOL!

Most FKK clubs are "open" in name only, almost all line-ups are crap, upselling is rampant, sausage fests everywhere, and with the exception of FKK World, almost no FKK club has used the more than 1 year downtime to make long-term improvements to the clubs.

Obviously most FKK clubs are not buying the "everything-will-be-normal-again-with-the-vaccine" bullshit either, and they just want to make some quick cash before everything closes again.[/QUOTE]You seem to use citation marks a lot, I'm guessing to let people know reality is fake news.

Reality, however, is that people get back in FKK. And get fucked for real, by real girls and not in citation marks.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2578448]An VIP Member of German forum, " Spider1 hb" And "Hhlenschlumpf" posted current Sharks lineup.

We should appreciate their hard work!

Alma..[/QUOTE]Fabulous lineup report!

I am surprised that almost no one appreciates people Who collected useful information for all of us.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579424]Latvian Marina. A not pretty Thai , maybe from Bruggen. No Anjelika seen. Kaira silicon on German table.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2578973]Siri you have said so many times that you left FKKs with full balls when I found so many to session with. Now you had 2 one hour rooms with girls in one visit? Why am I here? I should be in Germany. Damn.[/QUOTE]For fans, 3 black girls. For one, if she was milky skin and if I was able to hunt, I would run after such look.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2579516]You seem to use citation marks a lot, I'm guessing to let people know reality is fake news.

Reality, however, is that people get back in FKK. And get fucked for real, by real girls and not in citation marks.[/QUOTE]They should have renovated to include gloryholes which are covid safe and after the gloryhole just shower down with a bleach solution. One customer at a time in the club with a six foot distance in a line to get in and everyone masked.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579433]Not new, I use to eat Salmon on Sharks and Oase breakfast since years, even on weekends at World before. When you are used to make sport, breakfast is the most important meal.[/QUOTE]I like salmon and have had it at all the other FKKs I've been to. I never saw salmon at Sharks. I will admit I went to Sharks on days when they did not serve salmon if other mongers say they saw salmon at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2579694]I like salmon and have had it at all the other FKKs I've been to. I never saw salmon at Sharks. I will admit I went to Sharks on days when they did not serve salmon if other mongers say they saw salmon at Sharks.[/QUOTE]It is there for breakfast, placed near cold, cured salami. If I recall imitation crab sticks and mozzarella balls are also there. Is it served only on weekends? No idea, I usually do not get it.

Breakfast salmon at Sharks is cured, cold-smoked. These would look pinkish and "raw". A lower quality supermarket version of Lox that you could find at a Jewish bagel shop or deli in NYC. I assume you mean the same, if you said you had it other clubs. I think I have only eaten cooked salmon filets at dinner time at YinYang, maybe Welcum.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lox[/URL]

[URL]https://www.eater.com/2014/6/30/6201785/the-classic-bagel-and-salmon-sandwich-at-russ-daughters-in-new-york[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2579694]I like salmon and have had it at all the other FKKs I've been to. I never saw salmon at Sharks. I will admit I went to Sharks on days when they did not serve salmon if other mongers say they saw salmon at Sharks.[/QUOTE]Before 3 pm. I go only for this. Same for Oase. I remember years ago, 2015, when one exotic claimed he preferred World salmon, to compete with me.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2579694]I like salmon and have had it at all the other FKKs I've been to. I never saw salmon at Sharks. I will admit I went to Sharks on days when they did not serve salmon if other mongers say they saw salmon at Sharks.[/QUOTE]It's breakfast salmon. They have it every morning to the point that I don't care all that much for it.

Perhaps you didn't notice because you are an afternoon to night goer.

[QUOTE=PlayToDef;2579285]Any of the MILF squad back yet?[/QUOTE]Man asking the real questions.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579424]Latvian Marina. A not pretty Thai , maybe from Bruggen. No Anjelika seen. Kaira silicon on German table.[/QUOTE]Danke. Any sightings of Lithuanian Karina?

[QUOTE=LMatador;2579839]Man asking the real questions.

Danke. Any sightings of Lithuanian Karina?[/QUOTE]I don't know who she is.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579847]I don't know who she is.[/QUOTE]She's one of the most iconic figures at Sharks, tall curvy strong built Lithuanian blonde, almost everyday at sharks for the past 10 years, sitting next to the aquarium with her tall skinny brunette friend.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579847]I don't know who she is.[/QUOTE]She's one of the most iconic figures at Sharks, tall curvy strong built Lithuanian blonde, almost everyday at sharks for the past 10 years, sitting next to the aquarium with her tall skinny brunette friend.