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What about kids?
[QUOTE=Frequent Flier]Could be it is another American influence on the Philippines here. This is very similar to the instant gratification situation in the USA. Difference in the USA is that the government props up too many families here and the availability of credit here is staggering.
Not many people in the USA save even a dime, we are just a wealthier nation.
I love the health care debate here in the USA. They go on and on about families not being able to afford health care when the truth is they choose not to buy health care and instead buy lottery tickets, eat out every night of the week, buy a car that is way over their ability to afford and then let the children go without insurance. I saw a relative do this. I could not believe it.
FF[/QUOTE]
FF, I don't want to get into some tedious liberal/conservative debate on the merits of universal health care in that I doubt you and I would ever agree, and it's way off topic to this forum at any rate. I would point out however, that the US is the only developed country in the world without universal health care which ought to provide some indication of the strength of America's social compact in relation to other countries. Certainly you would not advocate, I assume, denying health care to the children of poor families? Children who bear no responsibility at all for the (alleged) profligacy of their parents?
I apologize for getting so far off topic here.
GE
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Earlier...Amavida writes....
"it just so happens that younger women are more likely to be cherry "
So, can I assume you target "younger women"? You sound like an intelligent guy, so I assumed you don't need to tell us that younger women are more likely to be virgin. I assume the message is that you're corresponding with younger women because you like younger women. We all know that, to a certain degree, they could be more "likely to be cherry", so I assume you're not trying to belittle our intelligence.
I'm using your words above, but to be honest I don't ASSUME (your capital letters) anything about the situation. And I certainly don't ask " 'uh by the way are you a virgin?"
But I do find out one way or the other. For example, "Where's your boyfriend tonight?" Usual respons is somewhere along the lines of "he's gone". If it's too vauge, I ask in a joking way, "OH, still innocent?"
And to be fair, I have found myself, much to my own surprise, much too intimate with a woman who was (or claimed to be) a virgin. In those cases, she ended up an experienced woman by the end of the episode -- most often by admitting she was exagerrating in the first place.
X man
[QUOTE=Amavida]First of all you're ASSUMING I set out to shag virgins...
HELLO! does anyone on a dating site ask 'uh by the way are you a virgin?'. No of course not!
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[QUOTE=X Man]Earlier...Amavida writes....
"it just so happens that younger women are more likely to be cherry "
So, can I assume you target "younger women"? You sound like an intelligent guy, so I assumed you don't need to tell us that younger women are more likely to be virgin. I assume the message is that you're corresponding with younger women because you like younger women. We all know that, to a certain degree, they could be more "likely to be cherry", so I assume you're not trying to belittle our intelligence.
I'm using your words above, but to be honest I don't ASSUME (your capital letters) anything about the situation. And I certainly don't ask " 'uh by the way are you a virgin?"
But I do find out one way or the other. For example, "Where's your boyfriend tonight?" Usual respons is somewhere along the lines of "he's gone". If it's too vauge, I ask in a joking way, "OH, still innocent?"
And to be fair, I have found myself, much to my own surprise, much too intimate with a woman who was (or claimed to be) a virgin. In those cases, she ended up an experienced woman by the end of the episode -- most often by admitting she was exagerrating in the first place.
X man
[QUOTE=Amavida]First of all you're ASSUMING I set out to shag virgins...
HELLO! does anyone on a dating site ask 'uh by the way are you a virgin?'. No of course not![/QUOTE]
I think you are being argumentative for the sake of it.
I date younger women because they are less likely to be husband hunting & more likely to be looking for a casual relationship.
I have good success because I'm young, good looking & honest about wanting a casual relationship.
Think what you like.
Im going to ignore this thread, its been done to death by you.
Happy mongering
Amavida
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Not buying it
Amavida:
You consider yourself a good looking guy by whose standarad? A deseperate Filipina? Cmon, you even said yourself you are a middle aged bald guy with a beard. Sure, Filpinas dream all day about scoring a guy like that. Not saying it's easy to shage Filipinas meeting them over the net, it's easy. Some of them are camgirls that will not tell you about it and some are hooking on the side. Some are normal girls and some are experienced girls claiming to be cherry.
On the other side of the coin, these girls say they are looking for a bf so I assume you are giving them some sort of promises that it might happen. For a Filipina, "I am looking for a bf" translates to "I am looking for some fun and a guy who will sponsor me and send money Western Union". I am assuming that you are sending these girls cash before you get there to grease the wheels a bit. I still find it amazing that guys send money to girls they never met in person. Lastly, any girl willing to give up there cherry to a guy that promises them zero is probably a girl so unattractive that even local guys won't fuck them after drinking 10 Red Horse's. If that is the case, then you are likely 100% telling us the truth. She is giving up her cherry because its likely nobody else wants it and she isn't getting any younger.
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Correction
I mixed up Amavida with another guy but I still doubt the guy is good looking as stated or he wouldnt be going all the way to Phils to bang girls.
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[QUOTE=X Man]Somehow I think that teenagers getting it on is the best way for teenagers to lose their virginity and learn about sexuality.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with you X Man. Now, IMHO...I have talked to no less then 100 Filipinas in the last seven months on this subject. I would say that 60% of them had at least one baby and some had two. When I asked, "Who is the father?" each one replied, "My first true Filipino love". When I asked if they knew of safe sex (condoms) when they got pregnant they replied, "No!”. Most told me that if a girl is from the province and she is cherry, it is considered a sin to mention sex. One girl said that her mom told her that now she had her period that she should stay away from men. She said that she kept asking her mom why, but her mom wouldn't tell her. Most of the girls told me that they didn't know that they would get pregnant from having sex. If you have spent any time in the Philippines, then you know how many girls get pregnant and the guy runs away and they end up in the bar to support their baby.
I am leaving the Philippines in a week :mad: after living/working here for 7 months. Good news is, I think that I have a new job here starting in Feb 08:cool:
When I return home, I will have time to post many photos and reports from my time here.
Stay safe,
Robb
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Virgins?
Gentlemen,
Luvulooongtime here. According to my relatives not many girls are virgins anymore. LOL. Even in the province. I scored with a few "nice" girls 22 years and younger and they were not inexperienced; ). So I think this cherry girl debate bit academic. My understanding is that premarital sex is common now. I did go with a virgin to Baguio once, will never do it again, she was nice but frigid, or at least to me; ) My cousins set me up with her because they knew she was "marriageable". Personally, there is no thrill to deflower a young maiden unless she is hot, and she is hot for me. Luvulooongtime
PS. I enjoy reading the moralist arguments of whorists like us. The irony is so?
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[QUOTE=OptimusPrime]Amavida:
You consider yourself a good looking guy by whose standarad? A deseperate Filipina? Cmon, you even said yourself you are a middle aged bald guy with a beard. Sure, Filpinas dream all day about scoring a guy like that. Not saying it's easy to shage Filipinas meeting them over the net, it's easy. Some of them are camgirls that will not tell you about it and some are hooking on the side. Some are normal girls and some are experienced girls claiming to be cherry.
On the other side of the coin, these girls say they are looking for a bf so I assume you are giving them some sort of promises that it might happen. For a Filipina, "I am looking for a bf" translates to "I am looking for some fun and a guy who will sponsor me and send money Western Union". I am assuming that you are sending these girls cash before you get there to grease the wheels a bit. I still find it amazing that guys send money to girls they never met in person. Lastly, any girl willing to give up there cherry to a guy that promises them zero is probably a girl so unattractive that even local guys won't fuck them after drinking 10 Red Horse's. If that is the case, then you are likely 100% telling us the truth. She is giving up her cherry because its likely nobody else wants it and she isn't getting any younger.[/QUOTE]
Against my better judgement Im responding one last time...
You and Xman are making A LOT of assumptions about me & then criticising me based on those assumptions.
Believe it or not the women I date are not naive vulnerable poor girls from the province. ( a subject you both seem to be very knowledgeable about.. ahem) The women I date are sophisticated (by PI standards), educated, financially stable & attractive who live in the big city. They are the ones who have choices.
Do I detect a whiff of jealousy here?
It disgusts me to walk around the phils & see fat ugly old foreigners dragging around tiny young province women. I know these young women are out of options. They are prostituting themselves out of sense of overwhelming sense of debt to their families (utang na loob). I dont usually say anything because in thirty years time I'll be a fat old guy too (maybe).
Enough already!
Happy mongering
Amavida
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Ama
I am not one of those old fat guys, I am relatively young at 34 and I like mongering for the sheer fun of it but I see lots of delusional guys who think they are better looking than reality. If you were truly a good looking guy, you wouldn't be flying half way around the world for poontang, you would be getting it for free in your own backyard. Plenty of Pinay no matter where you are in the world. Charm is a relative term in the PI as the girls are sweet but dumb as rocks. Zero challenge to find regular girls Try doing that in Thailand or Jakarta where the girls are hotter and smarter.
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Has someone been taking potshots at me when I wasn't here?
In my much earlier post, the one labeled as argumentive, I clearly showed why Amavida's words led me to some assumptions. He never clearly showed me what assumption was false. And I challenge anyone to find a point where I "criticized" this guy. I was just trying to enjoy a good debate.
And then after he provides his weak arguements, he ends up with "we must be jealous". Well, that kind of statement just reinforces some of my "assumptions" which is he targets virgins and then is proud of his, ummm, achievements. And since the ladies detect this, in fact already expect it from the Pinoys, they tell him what he wants to hear. I suspect all that virgin blood that AV spilled was just a monthly period.
And now we hear that he hates "fat old ugly foreigners" who date young Filipina. Since I'm the only one who clarifed things about my appearance, I'll assume that was pointed toward me. I regularly date women 15 years younger than me here in the first world country I live in, so who is making the wrong assumptions?
Anyway, can we get back to conversation about chat girls?
X Man
[QUOTE=Amavida]Against my better judgement Im responding one last time...
You and Xman are making A LOT of assumptions about me & then criticising me based on those assumptions.
Believe it or not the women I date are not naive vulnerable poor girls from the province. ( a subject you both seem to be very knowledgeable about.. ahem) The women I date are sophisticated (by PI standards), educated, financially stable & attractive who live in the big city. They are the ones who have choices.
Do I detect a whiff of jealousy here?
It disgusts me to walk around the phils & see fat ugly old foreigners dragging around tiny young province women. I know these young women are out of options. They are prostituting themselves out of sense of overwhelming sense of debt to their families (utang na loob). I dont usually say anything because in thirty years time I'll be a fat old guy too (maybe).
Enough already!
Happy mongering
Amavida[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=OptimusPrime]I am not one of those old fat guys, I am relatively young at 34 and I like mongering for the sheer fun of it but I see lots of delusional guys who think they are better looking than reality. If you were truly a good looking guy, you wouldn't be flying half way around the world for poontang, you would be getting it for free in your own backyard. Plenty of Pinay no matter where you are in the world. Charm is a relative term in the PI as the girls are sweet but dumb as rocks. Zero challenge to find regular girls Try doing that in Thailand or Jakarta where the girls are hotter and smarter.[/QUOTE]
Once again you're making assumptions about someone you never met & then criticising me based on your assumptions...
Oh behave will you!
Why so grouchy?
BTW I have fucked women in every country of Asia & also in my home country. Since I have a business in PI Im there a lot & so thats where I have most gf's....
Happy mongering
Amavida
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[QUOTE=Luvulooongtime]Gentlemen,
Luvulooongtime here. According to my relatives not many girls are virgins anymore. LOL. Even in the province. I scored with a few "nice" girls 22 years and younger and they were not inexperienced; ). So I think this cherry girl debate bit academic. My understanding is that premarital sex is common now. I did go with a virgin to Baguio once, will never do it again, she was nice but frigid, or at least to me; ) My cousins set me up with her because they knew she was "marriageable". Personally, there is no thrill to deflower a young maiden unless she is hot, and she is hot for me. Luvulooongtime
PS. I enjoy reading the moralist arguments of whorists like us. The irony is so?[/QUOTE]
he he he :) the irony is not lost on me either LL!
Happy mongering
Amavida
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I went back and read a few posts just in case I had COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN something. Below is what I wrote and then what Amavida wrote. So this is the scenario, he brags about doing virgins and I ask him why he does virgins (while pointing out that I avoid them). He then goes into a little snit fit. Every time I try to debate him on his own quotes and points, he gets a little more illogical with his arguements. And now he's up to underhanded insults.
And LUV, what are you on about when you write: "PS. I enjoy reading the moralist arguments of whorists like us. The irony is so?" The only thing I read here that is even close to some moral "arguement" is the part below which I preceded by asterisks. Is that what you are referring to?
I'm impressed!
X wrote: Neverhtheless Amavida, why you doing virgins? Do you think you're doing them a favor? You seem like a pretty articulate guy, but I understand if you don't want to answer. Or better yet, give the short answer here and the long answer to my pm.
***Somehow I think that teenagers getting it on is the best way for teenagers to lose their virginity and learn about sexuality
If my teen-son was done by a generous middle-aged woman I would worry about his new perspective.
Amavida wrote: First of all you're ASSUMING I set out to shag virgins...
HELLO! does anyone on a dating site ask 'uh by the way are you a virgin?'. No of course not!
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Has anyone tried?
CB girl tells me that her profile is "unavailble" because she has dedicated herself to me.
C00549356
I may have told her that I plan to visit the Philippines in December, but I have not made any promises, nor have I asked her to make herself exclusive to me. In fact, I do not have the any intent to visit her in that part of Mindanao.
So, if anyone here has CB subscription, please send her a quick message. I'm sure she'll be polite and respond. Nevertheless, I'd love to see how "unavailable" she is. (common sense, but please be polite....no one knows her situation)
X Man
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[QUOTE=X Man]Has anyone tried?
CB girl tells me that her profile is "unavailble" because she has dedicated herself to me.
C00549356
I may have told her that I plan to visit the Philippines in December, but I have not made any promises, nor have I asked her to make herself exclusive to me. In fact, I do not have the any intent to visit her in that part of Mindanao.
So, if anyone here has CB subscription, please send her a quick message. I'm sure she'll be polite and respond. Nevertheless, I'd love to see how "unavailable" she is. (common sense, but please be polite....no one knows her situation)
X Man[/QUOTE]
Hi X Man
Done this and I was nice and polite. Maybe she has found another guy...shock and horror :D
As for the ongoing chat re virgins et al....who cares, each to their pussy type. I like a mix but find the cherries bit too demanding on time and effort at times but still nice and tight :)
My cherries are all CB girls naturally or those I find working in the hotels I stay at or malls.
As for the FR regarding the girls not knowing abiut condoms, getting pregnant, I think that is fair comment IMHO, have had similar chats with ladies and am amazed sometimes. Many also have kids...
Will let you know if C00549356 replies X Man
