FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

In terms of what I've gleaned (from the 25% increase to the thread volume in the last few days alone) :

[U]Lesson 1[/U]

You cannot rely on past reports with respect to the optical quality of the women at these AO clubs in NRW and elsewhere. YMMV (Your mileage may vary). So one man's tender loins may well be another man's mutton rough cuts.

Also, the girls tend to come and go with new girls joining frequently and leaving just as quickly. Some may move between clubs and back again even in the same week. Trends in better looking women residing at one club can quickly go into reverse.

So it may be best to do what Dreams suggest and choose some clubs that are relatively close to each other so that you can cut and run if there is a bad lineup at a particular club on a given day. Rather than find that you are stuck with a bad lot because the nearest other venue is half a day's commuting time away. Don't end up ruining your day.

[U]Lesson 2[/U]

Surprisingly there may be some (fake) GFE to be had in these bargain basement 'spunk and go' places even though these girls are supposed to be the lowest of the low, bottom feeders in the food chain, who have little choice other than to allow their bodies to be inseminated for 2 to 3 ten euro notes a time.

The GFE works for the girls as well as the guys. These girls lead incredibly boring lives been cooped up inside the gloomy four walls all day. A spot of melodrama breaks up the monotony.

Also the more tricks these girls turn then the more money they make. Ergo, if they can get repeat business from the same guy then it is worth angling for and probably a little less soul destroying than watching a continually revolving door of point and squirt cum dumpsters.

Women have to rely on emotional mind games because they can't control men physically. So make men feel guilty works. This doesn't change just because they have become ho's.

If they can keep guys dangling on the end of their dicks then that means they are free to go off and turn some bigger sausages on the griddle before returning. Using your dick like some sort of joystick, controlling you like a computer game.

The term 'Money no. 1' translates for ho's in any language.

You should work by your own mantra. Try,

'Fuck and Forget'

'You can never miss the girl, you will only lose your turn'.

Wasn't it Mike Tyson who once said 'I'll fuck you till you love me, bi@tch'? Well you are likely to run out of money long before that happens.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1454152]she played me like a muppet[/QUOTE]Ha, ha. It was worth wading through all of the recent gumph just for that one comment alone.

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1456543]Tjohoo.

It seems to me that you want to "defend","believe" and "justify" her, you are right that we are all humans, but we don't know if and how sincere she was, and "unfortunately" it wouldn't make any difference. As Optimist understood, anyway we wouldn't end up getting married, so maybe we are keeping pointlessly alive this soap-opera, which might even be an inflated misunderstanding, a stupid illusion, a missed fishing, an exaggerated imagination's fruit, etc.[/QUOTE]Hello East Going!

No I don't want to justify that type of behavior. But when we meet a teenager in a club we can't expect them to react, or act, in any other way then other teenagers do. So what I am trying to say to you is, don't read to much into her behavior and therefore don't judge her to hard.

It's easier said then done. I know!

T

Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention) that I had shown her, yes, unbelievable and stupid, but I never did. Since none of the about 330 000 members of this board could go there and / or bother to report in these days, I genially decided to see what those posters were saying.

Well, apart from kissmarking intentions with a very little result and some nice talks about possible further meetings, the rest of the service I got seems not to be anything too personal, being available to other 2 punters (out of 2 posters) just on the day after our 2nd meeting, inspite of declarations like "I can refuse customers" or "I don't / didn't do this with others", which anyway, being an AO provider, doesn't exclude those many things. I copy and paste some highlights with a good or reasonable translation:

Punter 1 :

"This time she enjoyed it thoroughly, but wanted to turn away before she came. But since I had her legs nice to the touch and that she could not she let herself go completely and was shaking all over my body as she came. Then even more extensively missionary and doggy style. From behind, it holds great contrast and circling her pelvis, so that what was going on had to come deep inside her. And then, surprise, no clean quickly and cuddle from the shower but only once and relax. Has the go out of the room actually still thanks for the leak."

Punter 2:

"We have spoiled us as a couple in love with each other and had a very nice time. An important evaluation factor for me is always when there were "perceived" two hours. By Sabrina there were no announcements that now is the end, we still snuggled up nice after a great final and are just slowly back to reality";

"This little bunny has just unpacked everything on the sofa, knelt between my legs and blown, as there would be no tomorrow. The eye contact is great. You sink while she blows, literally in her jet-black eyes" then "The Second fairness bonus they receive for their honesty in advance. She said: In the room no fingers in the pussy and no anal. If that's ok, we go off if you do not agree, then you're free now, no problems."

Ok, we discussed and she showed me some "personal matters" of her, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised to know that other punters got personal contacts etc.

I apologize again for filling the thread with bullshit out of stupid behaviours of a childish 42 years old monger and a moody 19 years old AO provider. As already said, not only by me, this establishment provides great service, that added to being AO possible may cause misunderstandings or exaggerations in perceiving what you are given, especially when comparing to "normal" sessions, where you are not given that great service and you play covered. And bearing in mind that most of girlfriends and wives don't even get close to what we can get in these clubs, at least as far as I know from personal experience (apart from one) and discuss about with people I know, females included! For me, AO and DFK happened with girlfriends, not with providers (not because I'm too romantic but because of diseases fears and disgust towards probable sperm leftovers not mine).

There are a couple of guys in Artemis thread facing "doubts" like me, actually at more "advanced" stages, and the other posters are discouraging them from getting involved into troubles.

Tjohoo, whatever happens, the mistake is always of the man, to be blamed even more for falling (or risking to) after a teenie, in my case an AO at less than 1 euro / minute provider.

Myrrh, you can't imagine how much I appreciate (and share) what you express in your posts, and not just your recent ones about the ongoing soap opera built on clouds. You greatly point out facts, plain real bare truth, maybe with some cynicism, but always undisputable right things, concepts and facts. Normally I'm like you, I share and at times even preach all you say, but sometimes one gets involved (and / or fooled) by some inexplicable stupid pointless things and gets lost inspite of evidence or evident impossibility to get or change or get along with certain hopeless irresolvable matters.

In the specific case, what was out of place was the quality, not the service, of the girls. Those prices and services might make sense with the unfuckable, some really utterly unfuckable, providers I saw in VV. Angelique's chicks cost more, but are much better than VV. But those I saw, and especially those I sessioned with, in Arabella, are there inexplicably, they could absolutely stand in a "normal" FKK, even a high level one, especially my bloody "honey".

As I said in my first post, I couldn't believe my eyes when I wandered around, I was expecting the same or less than VV, instead I was in trouble in choosing! Ok, no real stunners but worth much much more than what is charged. They are not at all "the lowest of the low", nor "the bottom of the food chain", I've seen muuuuch worse in my career. I don't know if and what lays behind them, which desperation, drug addiction, blackmails, diseases, extortions, but those girls shouldn't even walk by there! The mentioned Gaby has a husband and a small child! She's reasonably pretty and surely fuckable, why she does AO, and for that price? Sabrina asked me if I knew that AO is a dangerous practice, I was astonished! I asked why she did it if she knew that, she answered she's alone and she can do what she wants, she just doesn't care! A fucking great beautiful superb 19 years old smart intelligent girl capable of speaking well (mine pratically perfectly) at least 3 other languages (read in the other forum) on top of her own!

Guys, by now I must have lost some reputation and credibility, but believe me, I'm very picky, which is why I pay. I'd never be happy with an average or less than average girl, unless circumstances really force me. In VV I couldn't fuck Alice, a tall slim girl with an ok (if not pretty) face, because of her falling drained boobs, I could have fucked her from behind not to see them, but still I didn't feel like, that's why I normally get much more oral sex than intercourses. I saw some 15 girls in Arabella, chose 4 among the best looking ones but could have still chosen others, and not among the "less worse" as I did in VV.

I'm trying to add the pics of Carmen to my post, if I succeed, given my impairment with computer stuff, I'll be proud! I got them from that other forum with reports of VV, where she obviously worked before, like Sabrina and probably other ones, therefore justifying the changes of likings in reports. In the same way, pics of last year show that many girls from Arabella moved to VV, like Bianca.

If you can see the pics, be informed that Carmen was the less fuckable of the 4, and not by little, and that she was at level with other ones.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1456463]Jimmy Boy - maybe it is wise for EG not to foster the illusion that a girl is not a working girl?. I have often reminded girls very bluntly of the business relationship in order to try to break down any undue closeness. Unfortunately it does not work. I suspect Sabrina has her own internal drivers which lead her to behave as she did - rational reasons are often irrelevant. usually it is more a question of their emotional history.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree, as I almost always tell the girl, smilingly, especially the first time I am with her, that it's just business, usually in the context of me telling her not to do fake moans as that will not make me come any faster but rather have the opposite effect. It was, perhaps, though an inopportune time, place, and manner for EastGoing to do it.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1457042]Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention) that I had shown her, yes, unbelievable and stupid, but I never did. Since none of the about 330 000 members of this board could go there and / or bother to report in these days, I genially decided to see what those posters were saying.[/QUOTE]Well there may well have been several recent reports which you may not have come across because reports about Arabella are spread across many different sub-forums.

There are several reports in:

'Bareback AO (Alles Ohne). Flat Rate Clubs, Parties and Events' in 'Germany. AO Clubs'

'Bochum' in 'Germany' thread (because Arabella happens to be in Bochum)

Also of course reports in this thread, 'Fkk Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg. NRW AO Clubs' in 'Germany-FKK clubs'

Then of course there is:

'Red-Carpet Clubs' in 'Germany-FKK' clubs (because Arabella is a member of that unique small group of clubs that are known as red carpet clubs as the clubs essentially have red carpets inside (doh!). Although there some other aspects like these clubs are considered to provide 'traditional' standards of service).

[B][Jackson: Just one more type of club to add to your growing list which already includes partytreff, FKK, sauna, pauschal, brothel, etc. ][/B]

And probably some reports in 'other FKK clubs' in 'Germany-FKK clubs' because Arabella is an FKK club which does not have it's own individual thread like many other FKK's.

I know, it's a mess! And I despair.

BTW, here's a link to my own report of about a year ago which I stuck in the 'Bareback-AO- (Alles-Ohne). Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events'

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3215-Bareback-AO-(Alles-Ohne).Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events&p=1334787&viewfull=1#post1334787[/url]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1457251][B][Jackson: Just one more type of club to add to your growing list which already includes partytreff, FKK, sauna, pauschal, brothel, etc. ][/B][/QUOTE]No! Red carpet clubs are just regular FKK clubs. Some with BB openly advertised, others without. No need for another useless category.

HB

Hello, EG! I just had gotten around to finally read the reports about your last trip. Keep up the good work!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1457042]Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention)[/QUOTE]I received a message from Jackson on this matter a while back: You are not allowed to post links to other fora or blogs which are in ENGLISH! If it's in another language, which your use of Google translate suggests, then it's no problem.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1458117]Hello, EG! I just had gotten around to finally read the reports about your last trip. Keep up the good work!

I received a message from Jackson on this matter a while back: You are not allowed to post links to other fora or blogs which are in ENGLISH! If it's in another language, which your use of Google translate suggests, then it's no problem.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the patience and for the appreciation, to you and to the other fellas. Next month I'm planning to go back in NRW, the culprit always returns to the crime scene!

The forum was [url]www.freiercafe.com[/url] (or de?). Thanks for explaining about Jackson's answer. I recently had asked in Oase thread to HB about posting other forums names because he had mentioned a few, he had answered with "IMHO" when saying that foreign forums can be mentioned. The site couldn't afford to lose other top members after Angus Magee!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1458324]The site couldn't afford to lose other top members after Angus Magee![/QUOTE]The problem with Angus was that his site IS in english!

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1458470]The problem with Angus was that his site IS in english![/QUOTE]I know. The joke was that the the forum simply couldn't afford to lose another top member, regardless of the reason. And that was supposed to be me (not HB or you or others). :-)

It is different each my visit. Now they retorned to their old scheme and you have to choose upfront:

1 session = 60€

2 sessions = 90€

3 sessions = 110€

If you pay 90€ for two sessions third session will cost 60€.

BTW lineup was worse than my last visit in June. Did two sessions and left. First room with very new Bulgarian girl. Absolutely no neither German nor English. Most of Bulgarian girls understand basic words in Russian, so I can communicate. This one didn't even try to understand. But very nice young body. Zero skills in the room, so I used her as a inflatable doll. Second session with Bianca as good as usually.

[QUOTE=Jymondor;1458672]BTW lineup was worse than my last visit in June. Did two sessions and left. First room with very new Bulgarian girl. Absolutely no neither German nor English. Most of Bulgarian girls understand basic words in Russian, so I can communicate. This one didn't even try to understand. But very nice young body. Zero skills in the room, so I used her as a inflatable doll. Second session with Bianca as good as usually.[/QUOTE]Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?

I am guessing VV?

[QUOTE=Myrrh; 1458676]Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?

I am guessing VV?[/QUOTE]Sorry. Villa Venus of course.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1458676]Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?[/QUOTE]Maybe it's time to get seperate threads on those 3 clubs in the AO-Clubs forum, in order to avoid further mix-ups?

[U][B]Friday 16 August, Villa Venus[/B][/U]

[U]Flight / Accommodation[/U]

After flying into Dusseldorf airport I made sure to check into my hotel rather than follow my dick and head straight to Villa Venus (learning from a previous trip where I had come back from a partytreff event at 9pm only to find the reception desk closed and I had to spend the night sleeping in an armchair in the reception area).

I had used some BA air miles and so the flight in only cost me 17 gbp (this was the payment for the airline tax). I also used some points from a large 4 star hotel chain (Park Inn) and stayed at their hotel in Dusseldorf Reisholz for free. So a pretty low cost start to my trip.

Unfortunately by the time I had travelled out to this hotel which was a bit off from the centre of Dusseldorf by train / bus from the airport, checked in, messed around in the hotel and then travelled to VIlla Venus it was around 6pm in the evening.

[U]Getting to Villa Venus[/U]

Now from reading previous reports I had always believed that this place was in Duisburg and therefore that Duisburg was the closest train station. Not so as the nearest train station was in fact Oberhausen. So you had to go from Dusseldorf, through Duisburg and then on to Oberhausen train station.

I couldn't work out if there was a tram that went anywhere near the club so I thought that I had no alternative but to take a taxi from Oberhausen station to the club which cost 12 euros.

[U]Villa Venus is really a car spare parts shopping outlet? [/U]

There was slight cause for concern when the taxi driver dropped me off at the address:

Konrad-adenauer-ring 17, Neumuhl, Duisburg.

It was a place called something like getränke arena.

[url]http://getraenkearena.de/index.php/10230.html[/url]

And it looked like it was a supermarket specializing in selling car spare parts. It was only when I was halfway up to the entrance that I did a double take and ran back to the taxi driver in near panic as I saw someone coming out of the place with a shopping trolley overloaded with what I believe was car exhausts and other bits. The taxi driver insisted it was the right place and pointed to the number 17 clearly painted on the wall of the building. I got the driver to wait, as I didn't want to be stranded with no way of calling another taxi, whilst I asked somebody in the supermarket if the taxi driver had got the address wrong.

When I mentioned the name Villa Venus a woman shop assistant rolled her eyes and gave a knowing look to her colleague. It turned out that Villa Venus was next door but shared the exact same street address as this getränke arena place. WTF?

[Actually when I looked up this getränke place on the internet it was actually a beverages wholesaler. It just [B]looked[/B] Like a car spare parts supermarket from the outside]

[U]Villa Venus entrance[/U]

There was no sign saying Villa Venus but when I say these iron gates and some sort of small legal sign saying something like this was a private club, etc. Then I knew that I had come to the right place.

After pressing the bell I was buzzed through the gates and then a naked girl came to the door and waved me in. She took me as far as the reception desk and then disappeared. The receptionist or 'theke' as she was referred to was a fully dressed woman in her late 20's and spoke next to no English. She just pointed to a sign on the reception desk which said something in German like 30 euros entry and 30 euros per girl.

She became a little anxious as she thought that I had misunderstood the situation and thought that I could only pay 30 euros entry and no more whereas you had to pre-pay for at least one girl. But when I produced 60 euros she relaxed and gave me the wrist band with my locker key and a little slip of paper to put inside the little holder on the wristband to record which girls I took during the visit.

[U]Villa Venus layout[/U]

It is a medium sized club. Large enough thoughfor someone to hang out in for a few hours without feeling too bored or claustrophobic.

As you come in there are some steps leading upstairs where the bed rooms are and some steps leading downstairs to the wet area / locker room.

The locker room was spacious. With about 50 full sized lockers. The shower room was a decent size with 3 power shower heads plus another shower head for just cold water. The laundry room with dryer continually turning towels was also further along down here. You got given your two towels at reception and picked up your plastic flip flops from the shelves downstairs. I think there might have been a sauna down there as well but of course no one comes for the sauna at these places do they?

Upstairs there was the reception desk / bar which had the photos of most of the girls who were working that day along with their names and description written on them of what they did. They also had some safety deposit boxes for leaving your money in rather than the lockers.

This reception desk / bar was in the lounge area and there were several couches large enough to seat two or three persons arranged 'cinema style' facing towards the reception desk. There were low arches either side of the lounge area with a few more settees inside two smaller side areas as well.

The lounge area was quite spacious and there was one TV screen playing run-of-the-mill porn. Leading off from the lounge area was one gent's toilet room with one toilet inside. Then there was a small room with tables laid restaurant style which I am guessing given the nature of the place is never ever used.

There was also an outside back yard with a handful of sun loungers and a swing which could seat two people side by side.

[U]Smoking ban? What smoking ban? [/U]

You would never have realised that there was a smoking ban given the number of girls who frequently smoked inside the lounge right the way through the day even though there was an outside area where they could do this.

[U]The food and drink[/U]

Apart from some biscuits in a tray next to a machine which dispensed colas / sprite / water there was absolutely nothing to eat or drink in the club.

[U]The girls. [/U]

There were about 10-12 girls on duty with about 8 photos on display. Most of the photos had the same description in German. Something like 'I do everything, except anal'. But there were three which said something like I do everything. Surprise, surprise two of these girls who said that they did everything were the ugliest and fattest women in the club, LOL.

The girls were all naked except that they all wore a chain around their hips. This is sort of sexy but when you realise that all of the girls are wearing it then it becomes more like some sort of 'uniform'.

Of the 12 about half were significantly overweight with unattractive faces. I have listed below the names of only those who were plain to reasonably attractive with fairly in shape bodies as I am sure no one would be really interested in the others.

[B]Magda[/B]

A plain looking girl with a longish nose and long hair. Body was slim and reasonably nicely proportioned however certainly not a knockout.

[B]Maya[/B]

A plain ordinary girl with a beakish nose and similar body type to Magda.

[B]Dana[/B]

A small girl with a waif like body which I found arousing but was spoiled by her droopy tits. In fact most of these girls had droopy tits as if the life had been sucked out of them. Probably a reflection of the fact that they went around all day without a bra on. Dana's face was kind of cute looking except it had the look of someone who has had a hard life and her eyes were constantly restless and nervous. She chain smoked incessantly.

[B]Bianca[/B]

This girl has been mentioned once or twice on this board. I saw her photo and mistook her for Dana as they both had a similar body type. Small girls and what you would call spinners. A girl so small that you could easily spin her around on your cock during sex if she was riding you cowgirl. She also had a fairly cute looking face and was probably in her early 20's unlike most of the other girls who were probably in mid to late twenties.

[B]Aida[/B]

A tall Bulgarian woman in her late 20's with dyed blond hair. She was the only girl who did 'everything' but who also happened to be reasonably attractive. However she had the body more like a tennis player, fairly well built, rather than a sexy body.

[B]Jenny[/B]

Perhaps the best looking girl there. She was on the small size but had a pretty, cute face and had her hair up in an interesting hair style with blonde / brown tints. Rather than the rest of the girls who tended to have the simple long, black hair down to their backs style. She also had some tattoos above her breast and on her stomach which made her look a little sluttish. She was similar age to Bianca.

[U]The look of love[/U]

As the seating was arranged cinema style and I was sat at the back of the lounge I was looking at the backs of the girl's heads most of the time as they sat on their couches. Some of them would occasionally turn round, catch my eye over the back of their chairs and then fix me with a longing, searching look as if they had seen something really interesting that they desperately wanted. It was a very rehearsed behaviour but still a little flattering to have women staring at you as you don't get this in normal life, even if not all of these women were attractive.

[U]The mating call[/U]

It seemed that the girls had been instructed to follow some specific rules of engagement. Apart from looking at them there is no hassling of the guys and you don't sit next to a guy unless you were clearly invited. Similarly if a guy comes and sits next to you on your couch then it is 'game on'. You can assume that the deal is effectively done. There seemed to be some sort of unwritten rule that a guy does not sit next to a girl unless he wants to go all the way.

So I witnessed that as soon as guys sat down next to a girl the girl would start caressing him, hugging him and then making out like they were teenagers in the back row of a cinema, sloppy kissing and exploring the inside of his mouth with their tongues. Then occasionally a girl's head would go down and because of the poor arrangement of the seating, if you were sat at the back of the lounge like me, then all you could see were the girl's heads bobbing up and down for a few minutes in the guy's lap.

Then after no more than 5 minutes the girl's heads would come up, they would make a gesture to the guy and the guy and girl would head to the room.

[U]The cut above[/U]

There were a couple of girls who seemingly thought that they were a cut above the rest of the girls and did not spend their time tamely sitting on their couch actively look around trying to catch the eye of a guy. Not surprisingly these were the two cuter and younger girls mentioned.

[B]Bianca[/B] : Never sat in the main part of the lounge but would be often seen flitting back and forth between what seemed to be regular customers in one of the smaller side areas of the lounge. She also seemed to have her mobile phone perpetually displayed in her hand whilst he laughed and joked around with two or three customers. This kind of put me off her and I was more interested in Jenny.

[B]Jenny[/B] : Sat in one of the couches towards the side of the lounge near the entrance and did not seem to be actively looking for customers either.

However despite this these two girls would regularly get taken to the rooms by the customers.

I was interested in taking Jenny but decided to study her 'form' first before making a decision. I noticed one guy who approached her and she sort of gave a gesture of 'why not' rather than looking pleased that she had been chosen like the other girls did. Whilst the other girls would be all over their guy like a wet blanket, Jenny would just be meekly patting the shoulders of her customer. She would allow the guy to try and kiss her but would keep her mouth closed so no tongues. She never moved in too close either. Then she suddenly realised that I was looking at her from the far side of the room and started looking at me for some of the time, and to see if anyone else was watching her, rather than the guy she was with. I decided there and then that she probably would not provide a particularly enthusiastic experience in the room.

[B][Next up, I come to a decision as to which of these girls (if any) to session with][/B]