[QUOTE=Jambo]Say, is that the In-famous Winston Wu?[/QUOTE]I think so my good man.
Winston Wu Chang. =)
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[QUOTE=Jambo]Say, is that the In-famous Winston Wu?[/QUOTE]I think so my good man.
Winston Wu Chang. =)
[QUOTE=Romeo0310]Is this an accurate assessment of pros and cons about the Philippines?
I read this list of pros and cons and it seems there are a lot of negatives, including the weather, and the shamelessness of the people there. Is that true?
[url]http://www.*************.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7009[/url][/QUOTE]
Looks like a long list of cons but they're basically 4 or 5 cons stretched out in painstaken detail lol ...but he's kinda right with most of them. Of course you can argue against them for example you can't expect someone on a miniscule amount of pesos to be overly generous. Though I have experienced filipinos on pitiful incomes show great generosity towards me...
I would diagree with 'most' filipinos being rude and inconsiderate, maybe that's a manila or city thing, out in the provinces I would disagree.
I would also add to that list 'safety on the road'. Outside Manila in the provinces you do not need to wear a crash helmet, and what with the way 'pinos drive?! If all F1 drivers were filipino it'd be a hell of lot more exciting... nothing like driving head on into a truck before slipping back into lane again to overtake some farmer on a carabao...
The list is not only redundant, but contradictory in some of its statements as well.
As with most generalizations, there's some truth in the various items on the list, but many of these are semi-truths, and not what I've observed with any consistency. The whole discourse on "greed," for example, may be true when applied to individual Filipinos, but--again in my experience--is not a cultural truism here. I've been to very poor communities that most Westerners will never see, and been treated with generosity and kindness. I've had families willingly share with me all that they had, and I've seen people go out of their way to exhibit kindness.
While the comments about the general cluelessness of waiters and waitresses as well as sales people is true, it should have been put into context. The major reason that most low-level service people do a poor job is simply that there's no training and no job security. Most employers invest nothing in training employees, on the one hand, and most employees are given six-month employment contracts and have no expectation of a permanent job. Though this doesn't alleviate the frustration one feels at consistently poor service, it does make it understandable.
As to the "general stupidity" that runs as a consistent theme throughout the list, it's due not to genetic inferiority but to the generally wretched educational system and the overwhelming poverty that prevents many children from completing even the inadequate system that's offered to them.
Most Filipinos are trapped in a feudal-like, self-perpetuating socio-economic system that they cannot escape: locked into ignorance and poverty. It's consistently astounding to me that, given the general hopelessness of social and economic conditions, people can retain a general air of happiness and optimism.
GE
[QUOTE=Red Wine]I think so my good man.
Winston Wu Chang. =)[/QUOTE]And Somebody who is frustrated with life.
Maybe the hollow end of a something may settle the dispute.
[QUOTE=Jambo]Say, is that the In-famous Winston Wu?[/QUOTE]Thank you for pointing that out. I had no idea that a Winston Wu exists but since you called him infamous I thought I just do a 5-second google search on that name as due diligence. I have since wasted at least an hour on his site as well as that of his arch-enemy and their endless blood feud laughing my ass off. Pure dumpster diving comedy plutonium.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]As to the "general stupidity" that runs as a consistent theme throughout the list, it's due not to genetic inferiority but to the generally wretched educational system and the overwhelming poverty that prevents many children from completing even the inadequate system that's offered to them.
Most Filipinos are trapped in a feudal-like, self-perpetuating socio-economic system that they cannot escape: locked into ignorance and poverty. It's consistently astounding to me that, given the general hopelessness of social and economic conditions, people can retain a general air of happiness and optimism.
GE[/QUOTE]Well said GE. Sadly everyone sits there right now with faith that Noy2 will solve all these problems.
The fact that hes from the elite and therefor has his own self interests in preserving the system (as was Gloria) means very little will change in next 6 years. If he truly interested in change Hacienda Luisita would have been reformed decades ago in keeping with the Land Reform act.
He will create some window dressing changes, but in reality, when a political system is set up to be corrupt (pork barrel for all elected officials) the system is self repeating and the means of escaping it are very low.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough].........It's consistently astounding to me that, given the general hopelessness of social and economic conditions, people can retain a general air of happiness and optimism.
GE[/QUOTE]
It astounds me too GE.
However many filipinas laugh at everything whether it is funny or serious and often they are not laughing with happiness but just laughing.
It seems to be a form of defence for them - if in doubt, make a sound like laughter. They often have no idea WTF is going on so they laugh. You watch them and see.
Sometimes you see groups having genuine fun with lots of laughter but often the fun is very much "child-like" fun. I am still amazed that a group of teachers can spend an hour playing "blindman's buff" or that inane game from Wowowee called "Hep hep hooray" where they have to alternately touch their heads or knees.
Aussie kids wouldn't play those games past elementary school.
[QUOTE=Romeo0310]Is this an accurate assessment of pros and cons about the Philippines?...[url]http://www.*************.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7009[/url][/QUOTE]My fiance tells me that family and friends constantly pester her for handouts as well, and do not easily accept when she has nothing to give. I am sure the "give me" mentality isn't exclusively reserved for foreigners. She tells me that she has begun to adopt a 5'6 plan - which I am told has nothing to do with height but is a loan structure - 5 pesos out, 6 pesos back. She says in this way she is able to keep the begging down and even manage to turn a sweet profit from it.
I will spend a weekend in manila end of July, can any of you help me out with advia lot. Will be glad to post a report later.ce, contacts or suggestions?
Please PM me, thanks
[QUOTE=Red Wine]Thanks mate.
I will definitely look into Blue Horizons Travel.[/QUOTE]If you need clean info I will get for you.
Just post a question here
Cheers
[QUOTE=Gallantnitez]She tells me that she has begun to adopt a 5'6 plan. Which I am told has nothing to do with height but is a loan structure. 5 pesos out, 6 pesos back. She says in this way she is able to keep the begging down and even manage to turn a sweet profit from it.[/QUOTE]Don't tell your fiance' is Indian.
If anybody cares, ask any Filipino about 5-6 and the answer will be "INDIAN MONEY LENDER". NO kidding.
But, overall, I am sure her business maybe running at a loss as most of the 'borrowers' have no intention of returning 'loans'.
[QUOTE=Mike0655]I will spend a weekend in manila end of July, can any of you help me out with advia lot. Will be glad to post a report later.ce, contacts or suggestions?
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I have some basic advice. Read this thread, the Manila thread, and the Makati thread.
[QUOTE=Mike0655]I will spend a weekend in manila end of July, can any of you help me out with advia lot. Will be glad to post a report later.ce, contacts or suggestions?
Please PM me, thanks[/QUOTE]
Welcome Mike.
As a new(ish) member you may not have yet realised there are hundreds of posts on this site to answer every question that you might have. Just look in the Manila, the Chat rooms & Pen Pals and the Gen Info threads.
It's all up to date, especially the last 4 week's worth
[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Don't tell your fiance' is Indian.
If anybody cares, ask any Filipino about 5-6 and the answer will be "INDIAN MONEY LENDER". NO kidding.
But, overall, I am sure her business maybe running at a loss as most of the 'borrowers' have no intention of returning 'loans'.[/QUOTE]
Yep 5/6 is pretty widely known. Its the Phil's version of a payday loan.
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