Seoul

Itaewon can be very cheap. I have been a repeat customer at Rosie's in the past (right next to debut). Two very nice girls were there before, not sure about now. One of them was a bit GFE. Both I could get BBJ for 30-50k, once had them both taking turns for 80k. The hill has a lot of small couches/booths so I don't usually go for FS, it's just not comfortable.

I went to the Yongsan RLD last night for the first time. It wasnt as big as the other RLDs, so the selection wasnt as great. I would say I saw about 2 or 3 really hot girls, and the rest were average. I did notice that the back alleys, or the be-rows, were filled with older ladies, not even worth looking at!

Anyway, decided on what I thought was a tall, busty chick. But when she took off her shoes, her height fell about 6 inches. Regardless, she had a really nice body, 5'2, at least 34C, and a nice face. Overall, id give her an 8. As for the services, cost was 70K for short time. This includes BBBJ and c/FS.

Her name was bou-me, I think, she was one of the first girls on the right hand side. Wow, she gave some great head. Started off on top, and then I finished doggy. Seriously, I think I might have busted in 2 minutes! Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by the good service.

You must be Korean then, cause the A row normally doesnt even "look" at us whities. LOL -- good show !

[QUOTE=Halcyon901]I went to the Yongsan RLD last night for the first time. It wasnt as big as the other RLDs, so the selection wasnt as great. I would say I saw about 2 or 3 really hot girls, and the rest were average. I did notice that the back alleys, or the be-rows, were filled with older ladies, not even worth looking at!

Anyway, decided on what I thought was a tall, busty chick. But when she took off her shoes, her height fell about 6 inches. Regardless, she had a really nice body, 5'2, at least 34C, and a nice face. Overall, id give her an 8. As for the services, cost was 70K for short time. This includes BBBJ and c/FS.

Her name was bou-me, I think, she was one of the first girls on the right hand side. Wow, she gave some great head. Started off on top, and then I finished doggy. Seriously, I think I might have busted in 2 minutes! Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by the good service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Clarkmtc]You must be Korean then, cause the A row normally doesnt even "look" at us whities. LOL -- good show ![/QUOTE]Seems to be happening more and more. Since the last time I wrote, I have been asked in another of the A-row girls (on the south end). She did tell me, though, that she's seen me walking through there a lot and since I was a familiar face and we'the chatted once or twice, she'the have a go. When she did, it was at 9:30 am (for 70, 000 won), and she wanted me to dash in and dash out so the other girls didn't see that she had taken me.

Hi Dizz,
total time must've been over an hour since she insisted on doing the massage first. No time pressure at all.
Also, I did ask her for her personal number, but no dice on the first try. did get the impression she would've given it to me had I booked her again the following night, but alas, I was on a plane back to the US by then.
Also asked her if she did overnight or brakfast appointments, but she still lives with her family and has to go to school in the morning.
Have Fun!
CA

CA,

Thanks for the feedback! Post like these are truly appreciated!

DH

[QUOTE=Koyangi]Seems to be happening more and more. Since the last time I wrote, I have been asked in another of the A-row girls (on the south end). She did tell me, though, that she's seen me walking through there a lot and since I was a familiar face and we'the chatted once or twice, she'the have a go. When she did, it was at 9:30 am (for 70, 000 won), and she wanted me to dash in and dash out so the other girls didn't see that she had taken me.[/QUOTE]That has been my experience as well... The "A" row chickies seem to be getting less picky for us "round-eyes"... My suspicion is that business is slow...

N_R

I will be staying in Seoul for 3 days, and I am looking for some GFE. Is there any good suggestions for GFE similar to AM in Tokyo?

Thanks,

Can't Sleep

I will be in Seoul for 3 days. Can anyone suggest some good outcall GFE similar to AM in Tokyo?

Thanks. Can't Sleep.

[QUOTE=Captain America]Hi Dizz,

Total time must've been over an hour since she insisted on doing the massage first. No time pressure at all.

Also, I did ask her for her personal number, but no dice on the first try. did get the impression she would've given it to me had I booked her again the following night, but alas, I was on a plane back to the US by then.

Also asked her if she did overnight or brakfast appointments, but she still lives with her family and has to go to school in the morning.

Have Fun!

CA[/QUOTE]CA,

Thanks for the report.

I will be in Seoul for 3 days. Aside from massage, I am also interested in GFE. Can anyone recommend some outcall GFE service similar to AM in Tokyo?

Thanks,

Can't Sleep

[QUOTE=Koreahank]Itaewon can be very cheap. I have been a repeat customer at Rosie's in the past (right next to debut). Two very nice girls were there before, not sure about now. One of them was a bit GFE. Both I could get BBJ for 30-50k, once had them both taking turns for 80k. The hill has a lot of small couches/booths so I don't usually go for FS, it's just not comfortable.[/QUOTE]And loyalty gets you lower prices, worked for me anyway. My old haunts were the Boston and ABC clubs. Are they still around? I might be back in Seoul April '08, so I 'll be providing some intel for the board.

Three years in Korea and I find the site as I'm leaving, figures! I use to walk right by the Yongsan RDL on a regular basis, the one in Suwon too. After RTFF, when I get back I'll be posting a bit.

Hi monger team.

You may have noticed that recently my contribution to the South Korean Board was lacking compared to last year.

The reason is that my active mongering was limited to the occasional visit to Miari (my favourite RLD), which I didn’t bother with ever repeating stories, while in the last half year I was more involved in the freebee activities.

Here is my analysis, success prediction and advise about and around freebees:

Generally for a westerner there is not necessarily the need for P4P activities in Korea. There are plenty of pussy around you can get depending on your material status, the age, your looks and especially your attitude.

However it is clearly nothing you can count on necessarily and I will never recommend this to a short time visitors only 1 or 2 weeks in town. Those better rely on the p4p in form of RLD Anma or barbershop, or better combine their trip with a short stop over to Thailand when coming here.
The reason I say this is that the freebee isn’t something you find in hordes in the bars waiting for the guys showing up and then go into the pillows immediately. As maybe generally around the world and different from P4P you have to qualify first before you can score. On the other hand there are a lot of females potentially open for adventure, fun, boyfriend, love affair etc. It is more the matter to match and a huge portion of just luck or to be at the right time on the right spot.

[b][u] Freebee hunting grounds: [/u][/b]

I think the best promising hunting ground is Itaewon and the normal bars, but also the disco’s etc. My favoiurite’s are Gecko’s and Helios
There are a lot Korean females in Itaewon, but also the expat family members, many Thai and Philippinas (many have a daytime job as housemaid), Brazilians, GUS females etc.. The advantage in Itaewon is that most of the Koreans going there are able to speak enough English to communicate, so that Language isn’t Limiting factor. Generally I would say that all the females coming as single or in groups of 2-6 are somehow open to be approached. In the same way the guys are more or less looking for pussy. If I say generally open I don’t say that they will leave for sure with a guy for a one-night stand. That is wrong assumption. I mean they are open for discussion and as we are in real world you qualify and chemistry matches.

How far your mileage goes is rather unpredictable, because nobody (female and male) of course admits looking for the other gender. But what can be seen is, that the females are rather open to dance and communicate to almost everybody, not only to potential target.

Now what is your chance?
If you are young, attractive and even charming, looking like famous movie stars you don’t need to hunt. You will be hunted. You many not need any advise here anyhow.
Lets assume that this description doesn’t apply for many contributors of this board, including myself, I want to start with some of my observation (and some of them are rather common sense and nothing spectacular) about the chance to score a Freebee.

[b][u] Your Age/ age difference: [/u][/b]

Of course younger increase your chance, but Korean female are also accepting significant age difference if you compensate with other convincing attributes. So an age difference of lets say 20 Years is not necessarily a no go, 15 years doesn’t matter that much, and until 10-12 years absolute no issue. The more you are around the 20 years difference the more of course you must compensate with your attitude.

[b][u] Her Age: [/u][/b]

The best success you may reach with Korean female in the Age of 30-40. Even close to 40, Korean female in my view often look younger then the same aged western woman. Further figures are much less out of shape and average is clearly slimmer. I had a 38-Year-old Freebee with a body looking like 20 and a face like 28. Further in this age 1) the women already had some experience, 2) is divorced 3) is looking for some Love affair outside her marriage, 4) is hungry for sex as she doesn’t find it in her daily long office working hours. – Just to mention some.
Further if she is a divorcee or married or had some partners there is a huge chance that she has not experienced a great satisfying sex life, which allows you to qualify for long term if you act correctly (see later)

The girls around 20-25 are mainly looking for boyfriends and potential long term partner as a primary target and are more age sensitive, which is for Freebee success less a chance. Of course exceptions always ‘walk around’.

From about 27-28 it changes rise towards the 30-40 years groups.

Above 40: can be all variants but they are not necessarily your first choice target. (But an above 40 still can look like a 32 western woman.
So if I would find out that my almost scored new freebee is finally 43 while I would have thought she is around 35, I will not stop the session as she is shaped pretty well then. But I don’t have experience with above 40 freebees yet.

[b][u] Martial status: [/u][/b]

In any ‘opening’ discussion with a newly potential freebee candidate, the first questions to you as a foreigner will be around ‘what you are doing here’. Then if you are living here long or short time and in case you are resident soon they will ask if you are here with your family. This unveils quickly if you are married or not, if not directly asked.

To be clear: If you are married your potential candidates for the Freebee drops by 80% unfortunately, as all Freebees have some kind of long term relation in mind or in hope.
Now you could hide the fact e.g. if you are a resident here and your family isn’t always with you. I strongly advise not to be short sighted, aiming for short success and hide the fact. You will be in trouble later.
I never hide that I am married, even if this drops my potential targets drastically. But you still have the P4P option as a backup. So don’t lie in this point.

[b][u] Resident or Visitor: [/u][/b]

If you are visitor your chance is pretty lower, then if you are resident.
Residents clearly have better chances.

[b][u] Approaching tactics: [/u][/b]

(This assumes that you are in an entertainment pub where as well some food drinks are offered and some dancing is possible.).
First a ground rule that you should not forget and always keep in mind: At the very end you don’t select the girl, the girl will select you and decide solely what she allows you to do. Your mission is simply to qualify in the most charming way, but adjusted to your target.

Approaching a potential freebee is basically nothing else then you may have practiced in your life by contact with a woman. Several strategies may apply and lead you to your target. If you are to shy in usual life it may not work out here also.
This is how it works for me mostly and its probably a classic way many have done similar, but it works usually fine for me:
You place yourself near the girl you see as a potential target, however not directly approaching her (not staering), more showing ‘body attitude’ that you are on the way to order a drink. If there is a drink menu card on the table near your target then you may ask her for assistance to hand it over to you. Most of the girls don’t come alone, they are minimum two and probably up to 4 or 5 in a group. So some other member may be fine too for this. Approaching a group that way is probably even better as it contacts 2-5 at once.
Then check the menu and if some girl has something different then beer, ask about her drink (what drink, taste, if she recommend etc.). Take you selection and order. A cocktail is better then a beer, as it opens another reason for them to ask you later about it.
You made ground opening and in the following you may ask more questions (how do you like here, your first time, do you know similar places you can recommend etc.). They will most probably return questions and for sure will ask you what you are doing in this country, including the famous question about your family.

As you have broken the ice and are in communication now, you may continue talking, ask for dancing etc.
But don’t bee too pushy and don’t show yet obviously you are approaching her. It still should be a funny talk based conversation, best combined with some lough. You may add some funny stories about you, best where you felt agonizing, but can laugh about yourself now.
This brings you sympathy. The next dance you may be able to come a bit closer.

From this point its impossible to give further advise as YMMV and it is so situation dependent that general rules don’t exist. The more you are experienced in when it is the right time to move to next step, the better you will do.
However still be patient. Less push is better.

[b][u] Success prediction: [/u][/b]

The bad news is that it is almost impossible to predict your success until she is sitting in the taxi with you to continue the night at your or her place. (it may be mostly your place).

Even if I think I am rather good in prediction, I had situations where an almost scored target ‘escaped’ within 5 minutes due to some sudden event (such as a wrong phone call in a wrong minute). This is bad, but I gave up to be angry about it, and in the meantime I am relaxed and until they are not naked under my pillows I will not believe on success anymore. I would be even generous and wouldn’t push when she even decides different after she has already entered my apartment. Yes I can keep smart even with the dick already prepared.

Unpredictable also creates the opposite. Targets where inward I gave up already to score suddenly are successful and you wonder what changed her mind suddenly.

Be relaxed is the message. I expect nothing, but it can be everything.


[b][u] No No No’s: [/u][/b]

Some advise (probably also common sense):
Woman won’t like to be approached obviously. So forget to come up with early suggestions to leave.
Don’t start kissing her after only 30 min. talk. You may not even kiss her before she is in the taxi with you back home. I witnessed several guys having themselves not under control and acting rather stupid in the ‘when to kiss Prediction’.

Never target too drunk Korean girls. Some alcohol creates amore ‘open minded’ atmosphere clearly, but a completely drunk Korean girl can be dangerous.
It may look easy to approach, but be aware that a completely drunk Korean girl tends to change her mind in 2 min cycles and can turn rather aggressive within just a few minutes if suddenly ‘triggered’ by some simple issue. They are uncontrollable then and you may not be able to manage. Don’t want to happen something like this in my apartment.

[b][u] Maintain a Freebee: [/u][/b]

When once scored the first time it is all in your hands for a repeat or not.
It is all about how you deal in bed.

Again and this is my advise here, I am rather successful in stepping back the first night and put the girls satisfaction in the middle of action.

Yes I am a nice guy and I know that as a married man, scoring is much more difficult for me (see 80% drop in chance), so maintain for repeat is primarily the goal.
Overall I can say that once in my hands and under the pillow, they won’t leave any more.

With Korean girls it is rather simple: You can assume that the divorced and ‘adventurous’ married women, as well as the younger girls may not have yet had an exciting pleasurable sex life. My observation is that the Korean guys don’t know or utilize the potential ‘snoozing’ in their woman (the Korean readers of this board may be an exception – so no generalization, but observation).
You can’t believe it, but not many girls got a DATY experience yet and if, it was a 10 second type one and never one with efforts to let them come.
They like to be ‘body eaten’ all over and can enjoy this forever.
Most did sex only in dark and under the pillow. I unveil the sex tiger from them.

So once experienced ‘my way of doing’, I usually get a long term freebee.

[b][u] Get rid of the Freebee: [/u][/b]

As I mentioned above the freebee once I scored her tends to stay and repeat. However this is in conflict with my spouse schedule showing up here each 3-4 months for about 4-6 weeks.
That is why I am always clear upfront that I am married and I rather step back or rely on P4P only before being in trouble and it took me a long time to take the remaining risk of ‘allowing myself to have a freebee’ from time to time.

The remaining risk is that under my ‘magic hands’ it is almost unavoidable the freebee develops feelings over time. They never had a great sex-life yet and having probably the first time an ok guy with different behave then a Korean average guy, creates wishes in them to maintain it or get them something like this to marry.

So far all freebees gave up with me after some time saying, if she doesn’t step back from me yet, she may never be able to find an appropriate boyfriend and husband.

This is how it ended so far with all freebees and probably I was lucky. It could bet quite nasty in case the freebee wants to compete with the spouse etc.
So be careful here guys. This is one of the reasons why I am still in the P4P scene and may not take necessarily any chance for a freebee unless they went through some ‘potential stress screening’.

[b][u] Freebee Free? [/u][/b]

As always and probably common sense: A freebee is never free. The only thing free is the sex itself. But until it comes to that and also during maintaining the freebee of course you will invite her for some diners, night outs etc. where you usually pay for meal, drinks etc.. My freebee costs have been limited to this kind of entertainment and I think this is unavoidable, but I have never been requested or created situations where we went for joint shopping etc. which may lead you to some gift expectation. However I have some friends with freebees who are definitely paying not all, but some clothes, shoes, rings etc. Their costs are close or above P4P costs.
They can’t give up, as a next freebee would take a lot of efforts first, as I could do in similar situation and that’s why they are kind of trapped.

So my last advise is: Better give up the freebee and return to P4P before accustomed to the freebee being around to much.

Regards

Brain666

Hi to all fellow mongers,

I will be in Seoul from Tuesday, staying at the Itaewon Hotel for 8 days. Saturday is booked but if anyone would like to share a couple of beers and talk about mongering / do some please P.M me as I've gone and got myself a subscription to this great board.

Thanks, and hope to hear from my fellow mongerers ;)

Small Dick

(and yes a full report will be forthcoming)

1. Sports massage ( the owner is guy, he always answers the phone) His job is a fortune teller, and he does this massage ad as a part time.

He charges 200,000 for one and a half hour, but the girls just leave in an hour.

2. Best massage ( the booker- I think she is the owner- is a woman who is around 40 somthing, she had worked for the Sports massage for a year and left him, started her business)

She charged 100,000 won for one and a half hour - for everything, whatever you call it, GFE or something- and now she charges 150,000 won, because her rivals were not happy with her, so they sent so many shit SMS to her phones. I think she still works sometimes but normally she sends her girls.

3. First class

She is independent, and chubby.

4. Posh massage

The girl who answers the phone says she sends a girl, but this is independent also, whenever I call, always same girl comes by, I am sure with her voice on the phone.

5. Ideal companion.

She is Yumi, and independent , also she used to work for the Sports massage, and she said she was not happy with her boss, even during session, he kept calling to move to other place, that's really not good, good for her to start her own business. and now she charges 300,000 won, she said she has also her ad in Internet, it really works as she said. She is nice if you are nice, but if you play games, she is really,, really.

6. Hue massage ( it's gone)

They got busted last year, not because of newpaper ads, but because of their web site ads, they accepted credit card, the police realized they do somthing illegal, and broke into their house. so it's not a good idea to use your credit card in those places.
Maybe next time, I will report more.

Hi all,

I've been away from Seoul for some time and I'm having a hell of a hard time accessing this site and other sex related sites in general. I get this completely useless splash page in Korean! Anyone has a translation and of course a checklist of actions to take to be free again?

We are in South Korea, right?

LOL (and appreciate the help)

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Thanks,