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[Quote]I hope you arent advocating haggling over drink and BF prices. Because those are not negotiable. You arent going to talk mama/papasan into letting a spotlight dancer off for the night for anything less than 3000p. It aint gonna happen. [\Quote]Most of the time the drink prices are NOT negotiable but you can try and sometimes it will work. On the other hand, BF prices ARE negotiable. That "no less than 3000 pesos" BF price you posted is bullshit. Sounds like propaganda but whatever. Point blank. I don't care what you or anyone pays, it's your money, all I'm saying is that it is negotiable. [Quote]I can guarantee if you're wearing a cheap charlie tshirt, walk into a bar, point, BF, and go, you WILL get either a runner or shitty service. Or both. Not to mention the fact a girl is not REQUIRED to go with you. If she perceives you as an asshole, she won't go. Period. [\Quote]Yeah right, if a girl won't go with you then go to the next place. Girls will go with you. Bad attitude or not. Money is all that matters.

[\Quote]I appreciate the message you're trying to portray, but being demanding will get you no where. Except into an empty bed. [\Quote]I never said anything about being demanding. I agree that you should be respectful. Note I said "should". I don't advocate anyone being mean/hurtful towards anyone but at the same time I'm not going to tell someone to go out of their way to be overly courteous in any way to a fucking bar girl. I mean, come on, you're not bringing them home for dinner to meet mom and pops. That is how some noobs can get taken advantage of. They are so busy trying to be nice that they don't realize when they are being taken for a fool. With so much shit going on in PI, be yourself. Of course, don't be a jerk on purpose, these girls are still people but all in all just have a good time, be safe and remember to always stay in control.

Also you are probably correct in stating that if you treat the girls like crap then you will get crappy service. But in the grand scheme of things you still will have got your rocks off very cheaply and that's all that matters. I'd recommend ST to people who naturally have coarse personalities. This way who gives a fuck about shitty service, you bust a nut and kick'them the fuck out. Easy days in paradise.

Sorry, but BF prices are not negotiable. Freelancer prices are, but BF prices are not.

Unless someone else on here can confirm. Has it EVER happened? Probably. But to make a statement that its negotiable is false. If youre from the states do you haggle on prices in resturants? Or when you go buy a new pair of Levi's? Didnt think so.

[Quote]Sorry, but BF prices are not negotiable. Freelancer prices are, but BF prices are not.

But to make a statement that its negotiable is false. If you're from the states do you haggle on prices in resturants? Or when you go buy a new pair of Levi's? Didn't think so. [\Quote]PRICES. You’re comparing shopping in the USA and in the PI? ! LOL. Ok, whatever suites you. I’m not going to go back and forth on this but I hope all noobs find our discussion when they do a search regarding prices. (that’s why I put "PRICES" by itself and capitalized)

[Quote] Funny that Manila is also the Philippines and you don't get the Cherry girl Drink hustle there and it is only a hour away or so depending on trafic. Just further proof of the waste of time AC has become with nothing but drin pressure and no nudity or strip clubs allowed in that dump hole. [\Quote]I was just about to say that I despise Manila and re-emphasize how much I love AC but I just realized that I never went to a place where you could actually BF a girl like in AC. NOT freelancer. I never ever deal with freelancers. I think the next time I’m there I’ll have to do that before I can truly assess if I really hate Manila. I have gotten fucked over twice doing freelancers so I don’t go that route anymore. At least not in major cities like Cebu, Manila, or AC. I probably would in remote places like Davao, or the provinces (ilocos norte, etc.) though.

I have never heard of a bar haggling on anything. At best a mamasan/papasan may buy you drinks, but thats not haggling the price down. You can convince some girls from certain bars to meet you after their shift is over, therefore you negoiate only with her. But again thats not haggling with the bar.

Landed in Clark a couple of days ago.

The place is humming at night - quite a good feeling.

Costs:

Breakfasts 100-300 pisos.

drinks - beers 50-85 pisos. Lady drinks about double that.

Barfines - only had one (so far) 1350 Pisos.

BBBJ - 700 Pisos. (What a scam - they take 700 P off me, and then STEAL a couple of teaspoons of my precious seminal protein). :(

Hotels seem to be doing a good trade. Mine is full according to the front desk people. So probably best to book early for your next visit if it is sometime in the near future.

I am in one of the cheaper rooms in the Royal Amsterdam. About $45 US/day.

I am sort of bemused by the current debate about AC on this board. I am having a ball.

I wonder if those badmouthing the place are actually bar owners from Pattaya or somewhere in Thailand? The reason I think this might be the case is that they seem to be promoting what Thl is good at (nudity, point and f*ck), but downplay what PI is good at(GFE).

Perhaps we could ask Jackson to shine a light on IP addresses of posters so that we know where they are posting from?

To add some perspective, despite the global downturn, things are going gang busters in AC - so negative comments here and elsewhere are having less than zero effect. I doubt that local bar owners have time to frequent the boards in between serving drinks and servicing the waitresses. :)

Anyhoo, must head off to a bar somewhere so that someone can scam me into having a drink, or scam me into having a drink while cuddling a cute lady for the total price of the beer alone back home.

Life is hard, but someone has to make the sacrifices. Di ba?

In March? Gangbusters? If I recall, March is a slow month. Have you been to AC before? And if so, what month?

If it's "going gangbusters" now, maybe I should reconsider my next visit. In the summer it will be much too crowded for my tastes.

X

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]
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To add some perspective, despite the global downturn, things are going gang busters in AC - so negative comments here and elsewhere are having less than zero effect. I doubt that local bar owners have time to frequent the boards in between serving drinks and servicing the waitresses. :)

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[QUOTE=Thatguy865]I have never heard of a bar haggling on anything. At best a mamasan/papasan may buy you drinks, but thats not haggling the price down. You can convince some girls from certain bars to meet you after their shift is over, therefore you negoiate only with her. But again thats not haggling with the bar.[/QUOTE]

You can definitely negotiate with the girl to come to your room after she finishes her work around 3 am. I have done that few times.
It is difficult if the girl is staying at dormitory type of places the bars provide. The word gets around that the girl in question has not been barfined and did not sleep in her bed. There is lot of jealousy and back biting between the girls. They will let the mamasan know and girl will get into trouble.
In my case the girls lived off premises in a rented room in a house. So it was easy. Still they did not want to go out walking or to the mall together in daytime. Trick is you need to barfine them the first day. Find out if she is willing to meet you after hours. They will be quite happy to stay with you for 1000 pesos. If they have made money from lots of lady drinks they might even take less or free.
This arrangement is good. Gives you lots of time to barhop and do whatever you want before the girl comes to your room. They are more likely to stay with you all day till it is time for them to go back to work.
Another thing is if you want to take the girl away on a vacation there is no need to pay barfine for all those days. The girls can take off anytime they want saying they are going to the provinces.

In some cases if the lady was bfnd she needs to show up for work the next day or there is a penalty. I imagine that's to recoup some of the lost revenue from what is described in the last paragraph.

[QUOTE=Sammon]You can definitely negotiate with the girl to come to your room after she finishes her work around 3 am. I have done that few times.
It is difficult if the girl is staying at dormitory type of places the bars provide. The word gets around that the girl in question has not been barfined and did not sleep in her bed. There is lot of jealousy and back biting between the girls. They will let the mamasan know and girl will get into trouble.
In my case the girls lived off premises in a rented room in a house. So it was easy. Still they did not want to go out walking or to the mall together in daytime. Trick is you need to barfine them the first day. Find out if she is willing to meet you after hours. They will be quite happy to stay with you for 1000 pesos. If they have made money from lots of lady drinks they might even take less or free.
This arrangement is good. Gives you lots of time to barhop and do whatever you want before the girl comes to your room. They are more likely to stay with you all day till it is time for them to go back to work.
Another thing is if you want to take the girl away on a vacation there is no need to pay barfine for all those days. The girls can take off anytime they want saying they are going to the provinces.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]In March? Gangbusters? If I recall, March is a slow month. Have you been to AC before? And if so, what month?

If it's "going gangbusters" now, maybe I should reconsider my next visit. In the summer it will be much too crowded for my tastes.

X[/QUOTE]



Hi, I have been going to AC twice per year for years. Normally in Feb/March and Oct/November periods.

My impression of busyness is by comparing my memory with my trip this time last year. (Allowing for the beer soaked memory unreliability of an old fart).

However, in a bit more detail.

Visited the Perimeter during the early to mid afternoon yesterday and did a quick recon of five bars - one drink in each, four of them had eight to ten people, one of them had only one guy apart from myself.

In Fields last night: Bar Hopping was standing room only, La Pasha had about three quarters of the seats occupied, Camelot was most seats occupied, but not quite standing room only, Typhoon about half occupied, Owls Nest was dead, four or five guys playing pool only, Roy's Pub had about six or seven guys around the bar/eating at the tables, Bunny Ranch had a comfortable seated load. However, the streets were full at midnight.

One thing of note was that Agasaya was dead as a dodo compared to last year. I was there just after midnight, and there were literally four Koreans and myself - I was joined for an in depth discussion of European History by a Brit who was probably as much under the weather as I was. The lack of Koreans may have something to do with their economy....or maybe they had already come, bar fined, left and were coming in their hotel rooms by the time I got there.

Hope that can give you some reference points.

(As you can see, I was conserving my protein last night after the previous two day's efforts).

Arrived at DMIA around noon, the last time I remember being this excited (other than previous AC trips) was when I was a kid visiting Disneyland. By now the drivers at Lewis Grand know me pretty well. The driver was quick to recognize me from the crowd at the arrival hall and waved. I check in. Ekspat also arrives around the same time and we head toward fields. First stop Emotions for some SMB. I spot a nice hottie with a perfect butt. I decide to keep my pistol holstered for now. We then continued towards fields, we don’t even walk 200m and Ekspat already spots 2 girls he’s “known” from his previous trips. What a ****! I reckon he has done possibly 90% of all bar girls in AC….LOL

I hit Agasya first, the girl I really want is not there, so I head to Carousel. Jocelyn and Lulu (the Zhang Ziyi lookalike, see previous posts for photo) spots me right away. I BF her without her friend Jocelyn and back we head. This time she has no “mens” so I do her at night and then morning and send her on her way.

Second night I hit Agasya again but this time I spot the girl I want but she has already been BF. This time I got her name, Kati. She is a showcase girl and BF for her is 1700p. I also find out the name of another nice looking girl Rina. I head back to Carousel and I BF Analyn # 208. I said I would come back for her when I was there the night before while Lulu was getting changed. She had a tongue stud that really appealed to me. I got reasonable service out of her at night then again in the morning.

Day 3 – I head back to Agasya for Kati. The waitress (I bought her a drink in exchange for intelligence) from the day before had already warned her that I was coming back for her. And this time she was available for a lady drink. She was so shy, I had to talk to her nicely without the normal questions I normally ask, finally she agrees to BF with me.

We head back to the hotel, have dinner, I then show her around and we amuse ourselves with the resident monkey. Then we head into my room and on TV, we watched a horror movie, a genre she really likes and hugged me as frightening scenes came up, that was a real ice-breaker. That night and the next morning we had a good session including short but good BBBJ. She stays until about 3 or 4pm, so I give her p500 she only gets p700 of the p1700 BF, I would have thought about half.

Day 4 – On the way to fields in the hotel car, we got stuck in a traffic jam, I spot a real cutie manning a fish and meat stall on perimeter, I tell the driver she is a hottie, he agrees and then said that he will get her mobile number for me. I decided to have a drink at Bedrock. Was meeting Ekspat there but he never really made it. I was only there for 1 drink while the girls played with my ding dong and they all marveled how big it was and had a good laugh. I already indicated that I was not buying anyone a drink as I was waiting for Ekspat. So they did not pressure me to buy them LD either. I then get a txt from Ekspat who was now at Golden Nile, saw a really nice hottie there. Had 1 drink with Ekspat then I went back to Agasya. I spot another real hottie, she had the nicest face a body I had seen in AC so far, I think she said her name was Chelsea or something like that. I decide to go with Kati for tonight and then maybe her the next day. Kati was so tired that night we did not do it until the morning. She leaves about 2pm. I told her that I would butterfly and she appreciated my honesty.

Day 5 – The driver comes over to me and informs me that the hot girl at the fish/meat stall already has a boyfriend, he gives me a number of another girl he assures me she is a “nice girl”. I txt her and we agree to meet at SM Clark for dinner. She was a nice girl with big tits and I was happy to have dinner with her just for some eye candy. I made no effort to bone her so I ditch her (I offered to pay her trike etc but she declined) and head back into Agasya for Chelsea (sounds like). However she was entertaining some other Koreans but they have not BF her yet. I spot another cute Chinese looking girl in the “budget range” who also catches me looking. That will be my Plan B. After about an hour or so the Koreans left, she was showing no interest in them, Kati and some of the waitresses had told her in front of the Koreans but speaking in Tagalog I was interested and waiting patiently. She sits next to me. She is 19 years old and hot. I agree to BF her. Apparently she has a kid, father of the kid, a gangster has died in a gun battle. If I did not ask I would not be able to tell that she has a kid from her tight body and tight pussy. I got everything from her including DFK but not BJ, not something she does.

Here is a horror story for you, Ekspat, next morning she had the mens! Bled all over my bed. At least she cleaned up what she could unlike my previous trip when the girls did not bother. An unfortunately end to my last day at AC.

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]One thing of note was that Agasaya was dead as a dodo compared to last year. I was there just after midnight, and there were literally four Koreans and myself - [/QUOTE]
Usually the Koreans barfine much earlier than that.
Then they may go barhopping with the girl, Agasya is better visited around 8-10pm.

Cheers!

[quote=poopbunny]here is a horror story for you, ekspat, next morning she had the mens! bled all over my bed. [/quote]
waaaah! yeah i can't stand that. terrible.
btw. just booked my flight for early may to dmia.
can join? :p :p

cheers!

Ok so at one time or another we all have heard that the American Hotel is haunted. According to many of the bar girls accounts. I have heard some girls have died there and haunt some of the rooms. I have also heard something about a woman that roams the hall ways. I have stayed there several times and for the price and what you get you can not go wrong. I actually think its the best bargain for decent hotel. Rooms are big and clean as well and has a decent pool. (P1200 a night). So back to the Ghost story, I finally asked 2 staff about the story and they just kind of laughed it off. So what is the real deal about the American Hotel? Frankly, I like it because its perfect location.

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Usually the Koreans barfine much earlier than that.
Then they may go barhopping with the girl, Agasya is better visited around 8-10pm.

Cheers![/QUOTE]


An update.

Went bar hopping round the area where Agasaya is, and alternated drinks with one bar then Agasaya, then another bar then Agasaya etc till 1030 when I got a b/f from Rhapsody and so my, ahem, 'research' ended. (My main aim was to catch all their different shows without having to sit through the lot - rather than be obsessive about answering your point - it was a good way of trawling through lots of bars and checking out lots of talent). ;)

Agasaya:
2030 hrs 7 Koreans + me
2120 hrs 2 Koreans + 2 Brits + me
2200 hrs 0 zero nil nix none Koreans + me + no-one else.

Other bars had fifteen - twenty customers at the same time. (Las Vegas, Blueberry Hill, Rhapsody, Bodyworks(?name?))

There was, however, one of the 'cultural dancers' at agasaya - a very petite spinner type who really had the moves, so maybe I might 'inquire' after her tonight - I always have wanted to go with someone who can do the splits. :)

[QUOTE=Blackangst][QUOTE=Laylow3]

It *can* be done in AC with either sneak outs or picking up girls at Skytrax or the mall, but its MUCH easier in Manila.[/QUOTE]

For long term visitors or repeat visitors with contacts this is viable.

However, for someone who is new or visits only infrequently, they come up with the problem of how to get to know the bar girls without going through the more expensive process the first time.

Sure, frequent fliers and local expats can easily get it for the prices quoted - both in Manila and Angeles - even cheaper. However, especially if one wants to butterfly, the situation is a lot more complicated, and for the difference in price (between say 1350 and 350 = 1000 Piso) for a cashed up, short time monger, it might be just as easy to pay the extra $20 USD.

OTOH in favour of what you are saying, I have picked up takeouts from the mall and one of the small shops in Fields and paid about 400P iirc - it wasn't difficult. However, given that I like a bit of butterfly action, it got awkward avoiding certain parts of the mall and sneaking past particular shops in Fields so I did not get the 'see how you are!!!!' scolding that I richly deserved.

Also, for those who are not fat unfit and fifties like me, then internet contacts can work out even cheaper.

Still, I like my booze (hence the fat and unfit bit above), then I still would go to the bars and enjoy the eye candy no matter what or where - so that is a fixed cost...and hotel prices are very reasonable in AC on a world scale as well.