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Does anybody have a good experience with other than Sousa and all the drama with single mothers?

Aren't there decent college non mothers there to have as a regular or non pro?

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1554111]Does anybody have a good experience with other than Sousa and all the drama with single mothers? Aren't there decent college non mothers there to have as a regular or non pro?[/QUOTE]Plenty. But those stories won't get the same ratings. I have a chick in Santo Domingo with no kids who lives alone and is studying at the university. She makes 20000 pesos / month working in a pharmacy. She is working overtime tomorrow doing inventory and that will get her an extra 2000 pesos for the day. See boring. The one thing that I have learned from reading these boards is that if most of these guys do meet a girl who is a non-pro then they will still try to force money on them. So what's the use in even trying to find a non-pro for most? Just cut to the chase and get a hooker or gold digger and all the drama that comes with them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1554126]The one thing that I have learned from reading these boards is that if most of these guys do meet a girl who is a non-pro then they will still try to force money on them. So what's the use in even trying to find a non-pro for most? Just cut to the chase and get a hooker or gold digger and all the drama that comes with them.[/QUOTE]Uh-oh! Forcing money? I just spent three nights with a 22 year old. I bought several restaurant meals as in the trip report, a few gifts valued at about 1500 pesos, a couple of beers, un helado and left her 2000+2000 pesos for the two times we met. She is studying Pharmacy so we discussed Alexander Fleming and the week after she told me she was the only one who knew about it when the subject matter was discussed in class. The quality of sex was very different other than the fact that she was available whenever I was in the mood. She even gave me her backside but it did not pan out as it was painful for her. No comparison but there is always a flip side. They are looking for a long term deal. I do not know about others, but I am not into it neither do I want to lie so there is a potential fuck up that people looking for non-pros should be aware of.

Are you looking for a girl friend? Most of us here are not. So you expect women to go out with complete a stranger from another country if she is not looking for something.. Are If you are 50 years old college girls are not throwing themselves at you. I have a great time in Sosua rarely any drama. I do not try make theses girls my novia. I prefer to e honest with them.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0; 1554111]Does anybody have a good experience with other than Sousa and all the drama with single mothers?

Aren't there decent college non mothers there to have as a regular or non pro?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Showdown; 1553297]My goodness. Sent $100 yesterday for food. Then she called today and said she needed $1500 pesos to go see her mom tomorrow (in a taxi about an hour or so away). I asked her why doesn't she use the $100 I sent. She said all of it was gone. Yet I never saw her spend $100 dollars in food in one setting before.

This girl is very sincere and honest but I think I have spoiled her. Time to run.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]Hey buddy,

Don't want to pile on here. But I want to give you a different look at it than some of my brother mongerers. I will assume that what you believe about her is true. She is a good girl that you have turned a bit bad by spoiling her and leading her down the path of the ungrateful consumption of your resources. The fact is none of us knows this girl so we can only really assume and could possibly be right that you have been being played from jump street. But the fact is you could also be right about her being virtuous and just caught up in your unfettered generosity. Both of these views, at this point IMHO, are irrelevant. This is why I post this statement: most people do things for some sort of purpose whether it 'd be nefarious or otherwise. When you started this relationship, and specifically the support part of it, you did it for a specific reason. Maybe it was love, the thought of having a sexy steady in the D.R. That is your "girl" and not like the putas that you have met in the past. You probably were expecting that, due to the fact that you essentially changed her lifestyle for the much better in a whirlwind, she would love you back and treat you with the reverence that is commensurate with your grand gesture. My question to you is has your purpose been realized. Has the reason that you began this endeavor been achieved. Are you getting what you want out of this. Hell is there even any compromise as is to be expected in any kind of healthy relationship? Only you can answer these questions and you need not reply to them in a response to my post but more importantly to yourself. You are clearly emotionally invested and in turn your thinking might be a bit biased, which is why I assume you opened yourself up to such scrutiny on this forum- to get unbiased opinions. But in the end you will have to make the decision, follow through on it and live with the consequences. I wish you all the best with whichever path you choose and hope that in the end you choose the one which truly serves you better. And to paraphrase many members on here including the great Mr. E she lived fine by the only standards she knew before you showed up and will do so again if you leave the scene so I think that your soul will be safe if your decision is to move away from this situation.

Just one black man's opinion.

C-Rex

[quote=tempoecorto;1554146]uh-oh! forcing money? i just spent three nights with a 22 year old. i bought several restaurant meals as in the trip report, a few gifts valued at about 1500 pesos, a couple of beers, un helado and left her 2000+2000 pesos for the two times we met. she is studying pharmacy so we discussed alexander fleming and the week after she told me she was the only one who knew about it when the subject matter was discussed in class. the quality of sex was very different other than the fact that she was available whenever i was in the mood. she even gave me her backside but it did not pan out as it was painful for her. no comparison but there is always a flip side. they are looking for a long term deal. i do not know about others, but i am not into it neither do i want to lie so there is a potential fuck up that people looking for non-pros should be aware of.[/quote]i agree with this. it was cary grant who was asked why he, a movie star who could have any women, preferred escorts, he said "i don't pay them to sleep with me, i pay them to go away afterwards."

you simply make it clear to them that you don't want the relationship to continue, but you give them some money so they don't feel that they were exploited or that it was all for nothing. that makes it win-win and both leave having gotten something out of it.

us older guys understand this, because if we get to spend a few nights having passionate sex with beautiful women less than half our age, the pleasure far outweighs any financial cost as it was already budgeted for.

too many younger guys (under 50) on this board suffer from the romantic delusion that these dominican women love them for themselves, and try to interact with them as if they are part of their dating peer group at home, only in another country. in reality, these women either want money, or they want travel opportunities, even if they don't say so initially. if you are just honest with them about what you want and about what they want, you can have a great time with no drama.

[quote=frannie;1554514]too many younger guys (under 50) on this board suffer from the romantic delusion that these dominican women love them for themselves, and try to interact with them as if they are part of their dating peer group at home, only in another country. in reality, these women either want money, or they want travel opportunities, even if they don't say so initially. if you are just honest with them about what you want and about what they want, you can have a great time with no drama.[/quote]what is your explanation for the women who have stayed for years and have seen no sign of neither money nor travel opportunities?

[QUOTE=Showdown; 1553297]My goodness. Sent $100 yesterday for food. Then she called today and said she needed $1500 pesos to go see her mom tomorrow (in a taxi about an hour or so away). I asked her why doesn't she use the $100 I sent. She said all of it was gone. Yet I never saw her spend $100 dollars in food in one setting before.

This girl is very sincere and honest but I think I have spoiled her. Time to run.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]The danger of spoiling them is great. While I have not issues sending money to my main girl, I have recently realized that I've spoiled her. So to correct that I've been taking some steps. When I'm gone on business, my main Novia takes care of my place (she's there all the time anyway). I have bought her all the amenities and DR girl would love. Tablet, Samsung, etc. I use the internet for work, however, the internet is a bit slow if there are too many devices on my network. I've explained that she needs to ask permission to use the internet while I'm working. She constantly forgets. She get's upset when I complain, the fix is change the password on my router. I have an account that she can use to pay the house bills when I'm gone. Recently I noticed she had some clothes that I did not buy her. She took some money from the account without permission. So the card is no longer in the house.

I am now in the states for business and will be back on Wednesday. Over the weekend, she wanted to go to a party for a mutual friend, she had no money as I left her very little (enough for food) she called me in that passive aggressive Domincan way:

Her: I want to go to the birthday party for Yudelka this Saturday.

Me: I said very good, wish her a happy birthday from me.

A little later she states: I can't go.

Me: Why?

Her: I don't have any money.

Me: OK, we'll visit her when I get back.

Conversation continues, we are talking about semana santa and the things we are going to do. Her nieces were supposed to come over this weekend.

Her: You know my nieces are coming for Semana Santa.

Me: I know that's fine.

Her: But they can't come now.

Me: But Why.

Her: I can't pay for their passage (about 300 to 400 pesos).

I have basically cut her off, because she abused the privileges I have afforded her. She will now have to ask me for any bit of money she wants or needs. She had free reign, she was the queen until she abused it. She will not complain directly and I will hold my ground for quite some time. If she disrespects me or complains about the situation she will be reminded that everything is mine, paid for with my money and it is because of my generosity that she and her family have some nice things. Or she can leave. The last time this something like this happened was about 4 years ago and I gave her the boot for about 4 months. During that time she constantly tried to get back in good with me, which she finally did.

I have a lot of time invested with the girl and she is willingly open to my perversions and I don't want to lose that. However, they need to be reminded who butters their bread.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1554622]What is your explanation for the women who have stayed for years and have seen no sign of neither money nor travel opportunities?[/QUOTE]I am talking about the Dominican women who are putting themselves on Internet dating sites, or seeking work in places where they are likely to have opportunities to interact with tourists.

Your question is akin to: "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

However in any country women usually enter into sexual relationships out of a desire, conscious or unconscious, to profit in terms of affiliating themselves with a powerful man, bearing his children, becoming part of his family grouping, or even obtaining benefits for themselves such as housing subsidies for single parents. It is hardly ever for purely altruistic reasons.

It is true that relatively recently in human history, with the invention of the birth control pill in the 1960s and the widespread movement of women into higher education and the workforce in the developed economies that there is a subclass of women who are economically independent and thus able to avoid pregnancy and use men purely as sex objects for their pleasure. Women like Jennifer Aniston or Rihanna or Wendy Deng come to mind, perhaps, but the vast majority of women would still much rather not work and enjoy an affluent lifestyle courtesy of a man, usually the father of her children if possible.

Even your woman who asked for no money drove you away by repeatedly insisting that she was lonely, so you can't say she was without needs for affiliation, and if you formed a household with her and you wanted air conditioning to sleep at night, then she would get it too.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1554749]I am talking about the Dominican women who are putting themselves on Internet dating sites, or seeking work in places where they are likely to have opportunities to interact with tourists.[/QUOTE]Frannie it is 2014; join us here. People all over the world put themselves on internet dating sites to find people for a genuine traditional relationship. The Dominican Republic is no exception. In this day and time people no longer just date people in their same geographical, racial, political, social area. People no longer have to settle for someone they met at church or that a cousin introduced them to. You can't assume that Dominican women are out to scam or have ulterior motives just because they know how to use a computer or work in the tourist arena. Really? People who work with tourists are out for money from men too now? There are tourism majors at the university. You mean women are going through four years of school, doing all kinds of research and writing papers in order to work in an industry just so they can find a foreigner to get money from? You sound like my aunts who say someone is going to kill me because I met them through the internet or the people who are ashamed to tell their friends and family that they met someone through the internet.

Internet dating has become a staple in today's dating world and is no longer a novelty. The same way people seriously look for a job on the internet they can seriously look for friends or a mate. Are there bad apples? Of course. There are bad apples in everything. Just because a few banks gave out sub-prime mortgages knowing that people were going to default does not mean that every bank did it and that people should no longer trust in banks. It only means that a person needs to be more selective and not jump all over or have their heart set on the first thing they encounter. Then you have to look in the mirror as well. If you are only looking for hookers then hookers are all you will think you see. (Just like the guys who always stayed on the one corner of Copacabana in Rio where all the hookers hung out, so they assumed all women in Brazil were P4P. You are taking the same attitude with DR.)

I'm telling you from first hand experience that there are many Dominicans on internet dating sites who are looking for real relationships and not someone to financially support them. I can't remember who the guy was on the Santo Domingo thread that said he was trying to find women on the website before his trip, but all the women he kept bringing up sex for money to told him to fuck off because they were not like that, so he considered it a waste of time because all the women he contacted wanted something serious. It makes me question if you have even tried find a Dominican woman through internet dating or are just basing your statements on what someone else told you or on your assumptions.

[QUOTE=Cagep1967;1554632]If she disrespects me or complains about the situation she will be reminded that everything is mine, paid for with my money and it is because of my generosity that she and her family have some nice things. Or she can leave.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a broke chick I met recently in Santo Domingo who thought she was going to be the one to say how things were going to go down. I asked her if she had ever heard of the golden rule. She said no what is that. I said the person who has the gold makes the rules. You don't have any money and the last time I remember a person without money trying to make rules for a person with money was never. So stay in your lane and we will do things how I say or not do them at all. She finally got a clue.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1554777]People no longer have to settle for someone they met at church or that a cousin introduced them to. You can't assume that Dominican women are out to scam or have ulterior motives just because they know how to use a computer or work in the tourist arena. Really? People who work with tourists are out for money from men too now? There are tourism majors at the university. You mean women are going through four years of school, doing all kinds of research and writing papers in order to work in an industry just so they can find a foreigner to get money from?[/QUOTE]No I don't think that women looking for material gain from relationships with men is scamming. I think it is entirely natural and the end product of millions of years of evolution.

Yes, women who do four year degrees in tourism and learn foreign languages know very well that this may enable them to, for example, join multinational corporations and travel overseas and extend the range of possible partners they might meet.

However the women I was thinking of were more those who work as office staff, waitresses, cooks, and chambermaids in the many hotels in the DR as a way of escaping the dreariness of life in flyover DR and possibly meeting a man who can offer more.

There are obviously gradations in those women you meet online. Some are willing to do sex for money and others are not, due to family and social pressures and so on, but there are very few who would categorically turn down the opportunity to get to the US on a fiancee visa.

On the one hand you are writing here on a forum that is mainly concerned with prostitution and complaining that so many Dominican women are looking for money, and on the other hand you are stating that most of the women online have no interest in personal gain from relationships. Make up your mind.

You are also saying that you tell them your name is Senor Tacano, so it seems likely that it is you just as much as them who tends to see relationships in terms of profit and loss.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1554783]Reminds me of a broke chick I met recently in Santo Domingo who thought she was going to be the one to say how things were going to go down. I asked her if she had ever heard of the golden rule. She said no what is that. I said the person who has the gold makes the rules. You don't have any money and the last time I remember a person without money trying to make rules for a person with money was never. So stay in your lane and we will do things how I say or not do them at all. She finally got a clue.[/QUOTE]But when two hearts beat as one, what does money have to do with it?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1554786]No I don't think that women looking for material gain from relationships with men is scamming. I think it is entirely natural and the end product of millions of years of evolution.[/QUOTE]That is absolutely right!

In the three years of my DR experience, I met one woman, not surprisingly at PUCMM, pursuing a law degree and very close to completion, seriously smart and able to hold a conversation in English that included Latina / Greek. She was one woman who spoke to me about having children and was looking for a better life in the US. It just so happens that I was not / am not interested in any of those and so a year and half into it, (and I have never met her for she declined to meet me on my visits to Santiago. She also never asked for anything) she just plain disappeared. Hopefully she met someone who was more generous than I was and I sure wish her the best. Interestingly I will always remember her.

Where do I start with my response.

This is going to be a long one.

I. On the surface.

On the surface I think I made a mistake discussing what is a genuine relationship (and it is) on a P4P forum. The relationship, though some of you insist otherwise, is not one where I have found a dedicated prostitute and taken her off the streets as I did with the Boca Chica chick a while back.

Second it seems some of your responses-especially-Wrx-2005-have an angry hateful tone to them. These types of responses seem to have, as background, an undertone of resentment toward women themselves. Perhaps a women burned you. I am not sure. Some folks like Mr. E. Are dedicated professionals when dealing with pros. But responses like Mr E are met to educate and not to belittle or be hateful.

With that said this will be my only response to this topic which has generated a huge response. And why has it generated a huge response? Because many of you have been in the same spot-or still are. You just don't want to admit it.

II. The facts of a relationship in the Western World.

Men in the western world are hardwired almost from birth to be the knight in shining armor. To rescue the damsel in distress. To be the hero. This is a fact and just because you go to a 3rd world country does not mean you can turn that off. Sure it is easy for some of you who are hardcore to bend a girl over, throw a $20 at her feet and walk away. She is a prostitute you say. She is nothing. You subscribe to the Charlie Sheen P4P ethic. But the problem is for most guys-and most guys who read this forum-its not that easy. Its easy to throw the $20 and walk away you say? Why do you think CubaDave, who was mentioned in another post, has to create a video telling guys how to not get in this situation and if you are in this situation how to get out of it? Because so many men do! We are hardwired and whether it is P4P or not some guys do not find it easy to climb on top of a girl, throw a $20 at her and walk away. Now I can see the most aggressive responders to my post saying"oh you and guys like you are just weak and the rest of us are strong like Mr. E or Wrk-2005 (no offense).

But lets be honest. It is the same 10 guys or so on this board who respond and post almost everything in the DR form. But that's less than 1% of the guys who read this forum. The other 99. 9% just read and do not respond or post. Those are the guys who are most interested in a post like mine because we, like most men in the west, are hardwired-whether it is P4P or not.

III. Girlfriends in the West.

Every guy on this board has, in his life, taken a girl out several times, costing God knows how much, just to HOPEFULLY get in a girls pants. Its the age old argument-in the end you are paying this girl / plying this girl with gifts and attention and money for sex. Its rarely about marriage or commitment and that usually happens because the girl pressures the guy into it or she gets pregnant. Its the truth. So an American girl from LA who has a large chest and big booty who fleeces you for everything you have (which is the bulk of USA women nowadays otherwise why are we getting together with women in the DR?) is different than a girl with a large chest and big booty that is from Santo Domingo? There is no difference. Just because you are dating a girl in LA does not mean she does not have another guy in Sacramento and San Diego that she sleeping with as well (just like many Dr girls do). And whats worse is you have NO CONTROL NO RECOURSE with these girls. Atleast in the DR, as one poster mentioned, you can control the purse strings. In the West you don't control anything. So a girl in the DR lies about another boyfriend or she is spending money she shouldn't? She is doing the same thing that chick from Boston and Chicago is doing. Why are so many of you so hateful and spiteful toward Dominican women? Just read your responses. Its the truth.

IV. A Prostitute.

Lets take an ordinary prostitute in the USA. Very very few go with or even can afford a "high class" prostitute. You prowl the streets and Asian massage parlors. So what types of women are in these places? On the street 9 out of 10 times she is on drugs. Cracked out, thin from drug abuse and haggard. Ugly. In the massage parlors you find 40+ year old Asian women who aren't worth the tip you give them. Now lets talk about a prostitute in the DR. Most are young, pretty and most of the time desperate not for that hit of meth or crack but to eat. To put clothes on their children backs. Sure you have your hardened pros but most of them are not. This prostitute is totally different than the prostitute you come across in the USA. And most of the time these DR girls are genuinely in need. Some of you may say"its not my problem". You throw the $20 at them and leave. But remember. Many of us are hardwired. The majority of us are hardwired to be the hero. And we play that out. We help them beyond the $20 we throw at them on the floor. That is what I did with the Boca Chica chick a while back. I learned from that. And furthermore the Boca Chica chick was a hardened pro. Most of these girls you meet in the DR for P4P are not hardened. Every girl I have hooked up with at GBP has been a young girl trying to do what-feed children. What are USA prostitutes trying to feed-their drug habit. If most USA prostitutes were trying to feed their children you would probably help them also.

V. A girlfriend / wife.

Whats the difference between a gf in the DR and a gf in the USA? In the beginning everything. In the end nothing. What is the divorce rate in the United States? 50+ percent. And what do men find out in the end? That women who they married is no different than a Dominican women, who, in the beginning, you know what her objectives are. That so called prom queen you married in the USA tries to take everything you have in a divorce, make you pay exorbitant child support and lies about everything in order to destroy you. I have never been married but I have seen this happen time and time again to friends. The Dominican gf lets you know the deal up front-I need a better place to live, cable, phone etc. I would argue the Dominican gf / wife is LESS deceptive than an American one. Because you know what the deal is from day 1 and with a whole lot less fuss than marrying that USA beauty queen who in the end is no different than that women you wifed up and knocked up in the USA.

VI. My girl.

In the end, with clear eyes and mind, I know my girl and what she is about. I learned mounds from the chick in Boca Chica-who I spent A LOT of money on. The girl I am with now I have spent nowhere near what I spent on the hardened pro I learned from. Yes my girl will test the limits. They all do. As a poster mentioned he had to take the bank card from his girl because she was irresponsible. Then she straightened up. My girl, who wanted the $1500 pesos to see her mom, did not get it from me. So then two days later she says she and her mom had an argument and she was not going to see her anyway. What did I learn? She will test the waters. But that does not make her or anyone else with a Dominican girlfriend (and BTW-because I met her on Tagged does not make her a prostitute; if that is your argument then half the women you met on OK Cupid and other USA dating sites are no better because they are after a sugar daddy as well) a dumb man who is taking care of a lifeless and lying Dominican women. All women in the end are the same. It just depends on how bad of a person they are.

VII.

In closing I have a gf. I like her. She has not made any waves. She has done alot less in the bad column than most women I have ever known in the US, Thailand and other places. I know she will test the waters and I am prepared for that. I pay the measly 6k pesos for her house because she is a nice girl and I care for her. And I think, in her own limited way, she cares for me as well. Have I spoiled her? Yes. But who has never spoiled the women they care for? I do not treat her like I would a P4P. I learned from the Boca Chica girl. I have as a result applied the following rules to PFP girls:

1. No phone number exchange.

2. No visiting their homes.

3. No repeats.

These four rules have kept me from making my previous mistakes.

In the future, as I stated in the beginning, I will use this board to discuss P4P only and not a relationship. I have come to realize that many of you are quite hardened when it comes to this game and more than likely will not have a gf or any other serious relationship. Your angry / hateful / spiteful responses (and within that the obvious attitude you have towards Dominican women) speaks volumes.

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