East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Mock A Bee; 1158432]Not to be disrespectful, but I really don't understand why anyone would want to pay nearly $185usd for a Pilipino girl in China.

Based on today's current conversion rate. 1,200rmb = $184. 42usd.

IMHO, I would say this is way above market rate.

I would appreciate if someone would explain this to me.

MAB[/QUOTE]My experience is that when you do a LT take out at a bar / KTV its usually higher. I remember that I had friends who takes out elites at txrg KTV for 2k+. But it definitely depends on your negotiation skills. With that said, there is a bare min, and we all hope to get to that number unless she falls for your charm and its free. :)

I have taken out hot bbs girls before for about 800 for LT. But have not done so for a while, so maybe it a bit more now.

I have also tried feet wash girls, they will do it for free or min charge, but I always offer to buy them some stuff.

Not sure if any one who don't live in shanghai will have to time for this type of play.

Hey Sean,

Near People's Square, you can take subway line to Donchang Road and go to Sacrosa. Gather some data from ISG because the place is hidden at the 5th floor of a business building. Bodi can also be a good solution because it's easier to find, as you can see on my previous report, I recently went to Waves and really liked it but it's maybe a little bit too far from you.

Avoid all the massage parlors in the People's Square area because it's a tourist spot: some are legits and others will just rip you with a HJ for 1000+RMB (you will start with a 1 hours 300rmb something massage and the girl will try to make you add two more hours). In the same area, many people will ask if you want a "sex massaji", refuse politely, most of them are scams. Also, the usual recommendation: avoid Craigslist and other classified websites if you don't want end up with some way too expensive ugly girl.

As a long stayer here, I just would like to say to all the tourists coming to Shanghai, ISG provides comprehensive information regarding spas, BBS, massage parlors, their location, their price and all the dos and don'ts. If you don't follow everything gathered here and accept what we recommend here to refuse, then service will get worse but price will increase, what can be ok for tourists on holidays is not for settlers. Mock a Bee just gave a report about a BBS but doesn't want to share its location for this reason and I totally understand him.

Before I discovered this website I got ripped more than often (this is why I had so many bad experiences and can tell you about all the scams near People's Square) , now that I regularly read it, I have better mongering experiences. So I just recommend you to read previous reports and gather all the information you will need to get to one place and then, just enjoy your stay here.

By the way, I'm not really into Southern Asians so I've never been to Manhattan.

[QUOTE=Sean Casey; 1158453]Staying at the JW Marriott at Tomorrow Square on Nanjing Road.

Looking for the best sauna near there. Also, unfortunately, I am on there on a Sunday night if that makes a difference.

Also, isn't the Manhattan Bar close to me?

Thanks! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mock A Bee; 1158432]Not to be disrespectful, but I really don't understand why anyone would want to pay nearly $185usd for a Pilipino girl in China.

Based on today's current conversion rate. 1,200rmb = $184. 42usd.

IMHO, I would say this is way above market rate.

I would appreciate if someone would explain this to me.

MAB. [/QUOTE]MAB,

That's the going rate here. You pay it or go home alone. Of course you can get a pinay for less in the PH yadda yadda but Shanghai is not SEA. I could go to PH and get it cheap but add in plane fare and hotels and I would be well above the US$185 it cost me here. Further, I can't make even 1/3 of what I earn in Shanghai if I worked inPH and that's if I could even find a job in my profession there. Economics 101? And yes, I can go to a BBS for a 200rmb fcuk but there's a big difference between that and taking a girl home for an all nighter.

Are you in Shanghai or PH?

Ronin500

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow;1153681]Just a tip, but if you don't want to offend someone, you probably shouldn't call him fat and / or old.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry that I offended YOU.

[QUOTE=Mock A Bee; 1153758]Anyone who goes with a tout is a fool. No matter what they say or what price they advertise, they can't be trusted. This has been said on this forum pretty much FOREVER.

The chances of getting set up is very high, and nearly impossible to figure out if you are being set up before it is too late. You risk physical harm if you don't empty your wallet. Some people on this forum have even reported being strong armed into pulling money out of an ATM.

This goes for the Tea House Scam, the Buy me a beer Scam, the Sauna Scam, the Hottie for the too good to be true price Scam, the I am Learning English will you practice with me Scam, the I am an Art Student come see my artwork Scam, etc. You name it, it has been used as a line to draw you to a place where thugs will threaten to beat the living crap out of you. It simply isn't worth the risk. There are way too many safe options for pros not to mention freebies, to bother with the risk of a tout.

If you don't heed this advice, I hate to say it but you deserve what you get.

MAB[/QUOTE]I posted about being in such a predicament. If you are not a wussy and are well built and know how to fight then just don't let them intimidate you. Even the pla trained guys can't fight in a real brawl. If 6 of these 'thugs' walk into your room, then only if they have knifes or a gun will the force equation be unbalanced against your favour.

[QUOTE=Dirknblane;1153722]Those girls are there to sit, play games and drink with you. Your expected to tip them when you want to leave. You can negotiate to take them out but don't know current costs.[/QUOTE]Well anyone have a ballmark idea? They are so hot I think 2000rmb would be a reasonable 'starting' price.

[QUOTE=Mattsh; 1158393]I decided to follow my fellow mongers advices and tried waves on Zhongshan road. First of all, do not trust Google map, it will just mislead you. You can find clear indications on ISG.

I've been living in Shanghai in a while and I like to go to massage places with HE. Occasionally, I'll go to Sacrosa, I tried Bodi once but didn't like to have a camera in front of my head. Because I was in the area, I wanted to give Waves (Hailang) a try. And, oh man! What a sweet idea!

Generally speaking, the place is very clean. The usual routine: take off your clothes, get a bracelet, take a shower, dry and put a bathrobe. It was 5. 00pm, I guess they weren't that busy, I didn't need to wait and they took me directly to the fishbowl.

The line up was massive, young girls and more mature (but nobody older than 30). Tall girls, busty girls, petites, I even saw one dressed like a air hostess. It was personally the best line up I've ever been in front of (when I went to Bodi, I was in front of a very poor line-up, maybe I went there at a bad moments because I read so many good reviews from that place). There's a glass between you and the girls, I'm not sure whether they can see you or not, so I took all my time and finally picked up a very young one.

I'm bad with numbers she was something63. The papasan wanted me to get a stunner but her face wasn't as cute as my choice. Something63 happened to be a new-comer (1 month only in Shanghai and I guess 1 month only in the business).19 years old, from Dongbei, she was a real petite. Her boobs were a regular B-cup but very good looking and she had a very nice pussy not too hairy. She asked me how I found this place and I said "a friend told me to come here" (golden rule: never say that you found that place thanks to ISG).

She mentioned that her previous customer was also a white guy, I don't really like this kind of information (girl, I know you have sex with tons of guys as a living but picturing it won't turn me on). Then, I had all you can expect from a spa: nuru-nuru, catbath, I refused rimming, BBBJ and mish. She was very playful and childish, I guess this is some kind of role playing they have there. She had a great attitude, she took it but admitted she had strong stomachaches only after I was done.

As I said before, she seemed to be a rookie, she wasn't mechanical (still, she supplied many fake orgasms) , a bit lazy (mish only, she even cuddled me for 15 long minutes before getting down to business) but still, she happened to have a nice attitude. Compared to other "masseuses" that I had before, she wasn't clingy asking me to call for her at the cashier desk next time I'll be there.

I'm very satisfied by my experience at Waves. I was in front of a very attractive line-up with very different kind of (Chinese) girls + with the glass, you don't need to play eye-contact, you just pick what you want. It's slightly more expensive than Sacrosa or Bodi (800) but I really like their facilities. I will definitively go there again. And again and again.

Usually, I always have some kind of disappointment: when I go to massage+HE I feel like I always have old masseuses (I'm 26, so this is why it matters so much to me to be touched by young girls) , the time I went to bodi the line-up wasn't amazing and I had to do it with a camera on my head, when I go to Sacrosa there's always #206 in the line-up staring at me with sad eyes like "why didn't you ask for me at the cashier desk so that I could get a commission?" so I always ends up fucking her. [/QUOTE]"I tried Bodi once but didn't like to have a camera in front of my head."

You're on camera at Bodi? Is this known for sure? If so. What is done with the footage?

First time at Manhattan:

As described in earlier posts, easy to find, just around the block from the Portman Ritz Carlton Hotel. It was Monday and I got there early 9. 30 pm, I was the first guy in there. Not many girls to choose from, only 4 Vietnamese in there early 20's. 2 of them were stunners though so I started to negotiate with one of them (she arrived at the same time I did). I've read the Manhattan posts and knew LT would be from 800 (perhaps cheaper for an older Flipper) and up. I wanted something young, fresh, and I set my limit at 1200.

She said 2500, I offered 800 for LT but she said impossible this early at night. She said maybe if you come back in 3-4 hrs (also described in earlier posts) , more dealing, I turned down drinks, more negotiation, we settled at 2hr for 1000. I made sure upfront that OWO, unlimited sex, massage, the whole shabang was included.

2 minute walk back to the hotel, both showered, down to business at 9. 50pm. FANTASTIC. 3 pops of which 2 CIM (I don't think she liked it but she was a trooper, borrowed my toothpaste really quick). GFE, great kisser, soft, soft, skin, tight, no fake sounds what so ever wow, great massage in between sessions. As I said fantastic time.

2 hrs later she left my room, it took her about 20 minutes to clean up, put make-up on, get dressed etc

I fell a sleep within in 10 minutes, woke up at 7. 30 next morning. Energized and ready for work! Looking back – perhaps I over-paid but I felt like I got 'LT value' for money.

Is there a better way beat a jet-lag I wonder?

/Peter

[QUOTE=EsotericHuangpu; 1158827]"I tried Bodi once but didn't like to have a camera in front of my head."

You're on camera at Bodi? Is this known for sure? If so. What is done with the footage? [/QUOTE]What? There are cameras at Bodi? Where?

Since Hailang (Waves) is owned by the same people who own Bodi, chances are there are also cameras at Waves if you found cameras at Bodi.

This is one helluva golden rule, my fellow mongers.

I'm a frequent visit of this one girl at Hailang, and have established a good rapport with her. I arrived in SH on the 19th of this month, booked 3 nights at the former Pudong Sofitel, now it's called the Oriental Jinjiang Hotel. Called her a few days in advance and asked her to meet me there. She's been out of work since the crackdown began. The first night was beyond terrific. I gave her a very very long DATY, which she enjoyed. The sex was incredible as well. For her, it's no work no sex. That night was her first sex in 2 weeks. Holy cow, she was moaning so loud that I was so afraid that the neighbors would hear her and call the cops on us. My room was right by the elevator bank, ya know. We spent a wonderful 4 hours together then I asked her to stay for the night. Thought she would say yes, but to my surprise she refused and mentioned something about a friend of hers had just quit Hailang and must take her to the airport in the morning. Ok, fine. How about some room service since we've been fucking each other for the past 4 hours. Her eyes almost popped out as she opened the menu. Everything was so expensive. I said it was ok, she could order whatever she wanted. Surprisingly she ordered the cheapest item on the menu, a fruit platter for 48RMB. She left afterwards. I stopped her as she was walking out and handed her 1500 RMB. After a few seconds of hesitation, she took the money and left.

The next morning I texted her and said that I would like to see her again that night. To my surprise, she didn't reply until almost 9pm saying that she was on her way to me. At that time I was just about to receive my HE from #12 at my favorite massage parlor. Being a little annoyed with her late reply, I turned off my phone. When I turned my phone back on a little while later, her text had already came through saying that since I turned my phone off, she went back home. Oh well, I spent another lonely night in that hotel room, very regrettful and annoyed.

Texted her again in the morning saying wanting to see her again that night, but won't return until late. She left me a message that afternoon stating that if for any reason I couldn't make it back to the hotel, I should call her. I texted her back with a positive reply then she said to text her when I'm done with my stuff. Cool, all settled then. So I went on about my business that day, and attened to my cousin's wedding that night. Texted her at 830pm saying that I was on my way back to the hotel. Her reply shocked me. She said she was sick so couldn't make it. Was it a lie or was she really sick? You decide. We exchanged a few text messages. She said she likes me and enjoys spending time with me and therefore she didn't quote a price for her visit the night before, and she cared about me so she ordered an inexpensive item from the menu. The reason she took the money was because she needed it to pay the rent. A few times she mentioned liking me and asked if I would go visit her hometown with her after she quit Hailang. Being boozed up at my cousin's wedding and the fact that my little guy was taking charge at the time, I was stupid enough to break rule #1, Never fall in love with a working girl. I texted her back saying I like her too and would like to start a relationship. No sooner than it started, her text messages stopped. She hasn't replied ever since. I'm puzzled. What do you guys think?

I went back to Hailang today but it was closed due to the raids. Tomorrow is my last day in SH. Oh well, whatever. Lesson learned. Never ever ever fall in love with a working girl. Any thoughts, please share.

[QUOTE=Peterkn; 1158847]First time at Manhattan:

. Is there a better way beat a jet-lag I wonder?

/Peter[/QUOTE]Do not sleep during the first half of your flight. Do whatever you can to fight the urge. Sleep during the second half. You'll feel a lot better. I'm a flight crew. My seniority is too junior to let me hold second break, so I always feel tired after we landed.

I have tried bodi and found one or two good looking girls. Never felt a camera over me. Tried to locate waves and could not. Came back and called few escorts. As expected ugly girls and rejected 3 of them. At about 23 hrs one escort was just ok but she was in such a hurry. Anyway I banged her and finished the search that day. Will try waves next time but can anyone post the address?

I was thinking of going to bodi again but this camera thought is bugging me!

[QUOTE=Carage; 1158866]What? There are cameras at Bodi? Where?

Since Hailang (Waves) is owned by the same people who own Bodi, chances are there are also cameras at Waves if you found cameras at Bodi. [/QUOTE]

Tonight finally had some time for playing. We called Sacrosa, Waves, and Bodi, and all said they were closed today for one reason or another! After dinner we walked to 999 and it was dead! Front door was wide open and an older man standing there said "we are fixing the showers tonight! Closed". Hmmmmm.

APAC Man

I went over to waves tonight, but found that it was closed today. Grabbed a taxi over to the chengjiaqiao area. It was 1:00am when I got over there. Most of the places were either closed today or closed at this time, but a couple places far in the back were still going. Usually BBS girls are into providing the least amount of service possible and upselling anything interesting, but I got lucky. She wasn't too hot, but she was 20 yrs and had a cute face. BBBJ, lots of it, mish, then talked for about 20 minutes after. I think I was there for 45 minutes. Damage 200.

Usually the tip for girls to sit and drink with you in shanghai is 300, other places in the south is only 200. I have never taken out from here but if your slick it could be free. 2000 is way to much, you can go to KTV and party with girls in prom dresses.

[QUOTE=Smirnoff;1158759]Well anyone have a ballmark idea? They are so hot I think 2000rmb would be a reasonable 'starting' price.[/QUOTE]