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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1980159]Interesting. Over the years I have had some of my best sessions with gals I have barely spoken a word to. Back in the old Thermae and Nana Disco days I would look at a gal and say "bpa" and off we'd go to the PB Hotel. Once inside I would just start DFK and when they would say "shower shower" I would say "after. " We'd go at it like mad. Then I'd ask them their name as we left the ST hotel. Those are some of my best memories.[/QUOTE]While Namwan had many qualities, DFK wasn't one of them. But I do agree that DFK, if I had managed to dive straight into that, would have raised the temperature in the room.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1980165]While Namwan had many qualities, DFK wasn't one of them. But I do agree that DFK, if I had managed to dive straight into that, would have raised the temperature in the room.[/QUOTE]Amazing, a gal that will lick your keister but not DFK. What goes through that mind? "I'll lick his butt, but won't dare kiss him. " Wonders never cease.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980044]You seem to have a profound ability to be illogical, or bad jokes. Smoothy handle is also close. So what? As silly as the discussion about different Junes in different MPs potentially being the same girl.

Also you do seem to be wrong, Smooci posts started appearing 30 November in Escorts thread long before ET first mentioned it.[/QUOTE]What has logical to do with my question? Is it logical to use two nicknames on the same forum? I don't read the escort thread, the first time I read about smoocie was in the Bangkok thread.

As for the MP girl, it was not June but Angie so the one that seem to be wrong is actually you. You kept talking for days about a presumably wonderful girl named Angie that worked in Cherry a few years ago and I just tried to help you by telling you that there's a girl that actually works in another MP and who was a former worker of Cherry Massage with that particular name. She might not be your wonderful girl but I was not wrong by saying that she was one Angie from Cherry massage.

Just Google Angie Cherry massage twitter and you can still easily find some of her pictures on the web from the official Cherry's massage twitter Mister I know everything.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980107]Ha ha! Good one. I like that comment. Could apply to some PSE shop girls that go at it just a bit too frantically, and yet there is plenty of time. I prefer to start with very soft touching, moving into kissing. Nothing gets me going quicker than really beautiful kissing.

Things like BBBJ , DATY, and 69 can go for extended times. No need to keep changing positions too often.

All my regular girls at least understand that I am a very soft and slow customer. They know to go with the very slow flow. None of the Goat's "Intensity" is needed for me, more the slow build up, and I can go quicker if I want.[/QUOTE]At the risk of alluding to a point I have probably posted too much about recently comparing the term GFE in Western / USA culture vs GFE in Asia, particularly in this thread's context, Thailand, you know how DFK is almost universally cited among us Farangs as absolutely essential for a P4 P session to be considered a GirlFriendExperience? Well, of course, DFK isn't all that normal behavior for Thai girlfriends to engage in with their Thai boyfriends (ditto for DATY, BBBJ+CIM, BBBJ+CIM+Swallowing, etc.), which is why so many Thai girls are not particularly into it, with the obvious exception of DATY (LOL), or skilled at those other Farang-style GFE love-making activities. Hell, I would even include getting them to go SLOWER and more SENSUAL as one of those contrasting cultural challenges.

However, BBFS certainly is normal behavior between Thai girlfriends and their Thai boyfriends, as witnessed by so many 19 y.o. Thai girls with at least one kid but no 'baby daddy' within sight. Just one more reason I'm going with BBFS as being a far more indicative but not the only dividing line between getting a GFE or not with a Thai girl than the more romantic or emotional support part. Tell a Thai girl, P4P or non pro, that tonight you want to have sex with her like a long time boyfriend and girlfriend and she'll know you're talking about no condom sex. I doubt very much she's going to think you're talking about DFK, BBBJ+CIM or anything the least bit romantic and sensual.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1980064]LOL. No, I have no connection with [URL]smooci.com[/URL] (not really an app, BTW). As Syzygies said, the topic pre-dates my posting about it. In fact, I thought there was a thread for it here somewhere. Hmm. Maybe thinking of somewhere else. Anyway, I only became interested in it when I read about it on Stickman Weekly, had been toying with the idea of checking out the Escort scene for the first time in Bangkok and liked the idea of a customer feedback rating system. Which is not perfect, but at least provides the girls an incentive to up their game even though they have already pocketed the money, as is the general procedure and, I believe, spelled out even on the escort sites; that the customer is expected to pay the full amount to the lady before activities begin.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification, I just asked out of curiosity and it had nothing to do with any kind of joke. I think the smoocie thread appeared after your post in the Bangkok thread.

Regarding that site I don't know if the ratings will effect the service as it's not sure if the girls are aware of these ratings and even if they would be interested to check their ratings.

As for the pricing, I can see that the price is value for at least one of these girls. There is one particular girl on that site that I know and also works in an MP in Bangkok, the outcall price in the MP is the same as the one on smoocie. The difference is that the MP's price is for 90 min only while it is stated 2 hours on smoocie. Same for the number of shots, you can have 2 shots if you book her from smoocie while we cannot be sure of what we get if booked from the MP.

Another good thing is that we know what services a girl is ready to do with any customer, while it's something that we cannot be sure when taking her out of the MP. For example I can see that she accepts COF, something I didn't know during my session with her in the MP.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1980189]At the risk of alluding to a point I have probably posted too much about recently comparing the term GFE in Western / USA culture vs GFE in Asia, particularly in this thread's context, Thailand, you know how DFK is almost universally cited among us Farangs as absolutely essential for a P4 P session to be considered a GirlFriendExperience? Well, of course, DFK isn't all that normal behavior for Thai girlfriends to engage in with their Thai boyfriends (ditto for DATY, BBBJ+CIM, BBBJ+CIM+Swallowing, etc.), which is why so many Thai girls are not particularly into it, with the obvious exception of DATY (LOL), or skilled at those other Farang-style GFE love-making activities. Hell, I would even include getting them to go SLOWER and more SENSUAL as one of those contrasting cultural challenges.
[/QUOTE]Yes accepted that Thai girls may not be used to very full on DFK and CIM. My GF does full on DFK only really when very sexually excited, or possibly after drinking alcohol, and she can get slightly bitey with it on occasions and is also into mild slapping or scratching when very stimulated, like a wild cat. LOL. I don't have the same tendacies at all, but I just accept what she likes doing. She often has an excuse for no DFK outside of sex, like did not brush the teeth after smoking or after food.

I never asked her to do CIM, as I never cum from BBBJ. Her BBBJ skills would not be good enough and gets jaw ache too quickly. I assume most Thai girls are not doing CIM anyway, outside of P4P but don't really have the sample to know.

I don't think what is happening with Thai men is relevant to our discussion of GFE. It is from our point of view.

I have little doubt that the very best DFK comes from latino girls, e.g. Brazil

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1979833]I went there around 10 PM on a Thursday evening and the place was packed. Standing room only. About 15 guys in the room and girls lined along the wall. Slim chances for these girls, made even slimmer by their lack of motivation. They were wasting their time, and I would advise anyone going in there not to waste too much time either. I was staying at the Ruamchitt Plaza, so it was easy to take the girl up the stairs to check-in and up the elevator to my room. Otherwise, you are better off spending your time out on the streets picking up girls for 1000 baht ST. Okay, it is mildly amusing to watch Thai girls pitch absurd prices to clueless North Asian guys, but only for a the time it takes to drink a beer.[/QUOTE]YEs I also wondered why so many girls stand there completely demotivated, to the point some really attractive ones would bring the horniest punter to flee! WHy spend hours along the wall if they don't want to make money?? Or are they not necessarily FLs?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1980170]What has logical to do with my question? Is it logical to use two nicknames on the same forum? I don't read the escort thread, the first time I read about smoocie was in the Bangkok thread.

As for the MP girl, it was not June but Angie so the one that seem to be wrong is actually you. You kept talking for days about a presumably wonderful girl named Angie that worked in Cherry a few years ago and I just tried to help you by telling you that there's a girl that actually works in another MP and who was a former worker of Cherry Massage with that particular name. She might not be your wonderful girl but I was not wrong by saying that she was one Angie from Cherry massage.

Just Google Angie Cherry massage twitter and you can still easily find some of her pictures on the web from the official Cherry's massage twitter Mister I know everything.[/QUOTE]I remember Angie. Nice face, so-so body. Pretty lackluster performance. Skill set not very refined. I did not repeat.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1980038]A bunch of girls going in there trying vainly to nab some Japanese guy for 3000 for very short time.[/QUOTE]I asked a girl why they prefer Japanese. She said 333. I asked her what that meant and she said "3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1980328]I asked a girl why they prefer Japanese. She said 333. I asked her what that meant and she said "3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000".[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. In all of my visits to Bangkok (about 8 to 10 trips during the period from 2005-2012), I never pulled a girl from Thermae. I went in there about 4 times. I always saw that the only guys getting any interest at all from the girls were Japanese guys, and the girls just stood along the wall bored and rolled their eyes when any white guy, including me, would approach them. I never had the phenomena so clearly and concisely explained before.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1980321]I remember Angie. Nice face, so-so body. Pretty lackluster performance. Skill set not very refined. I did not repeat.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I've met her last year in another MP. I personally found that her face was so-so but her body was great. She had very big boobs but they were well done and felt great. For the service she was lazy and during my second session she made it clear that she would never give two fucks in the same session. I don't ask too much from the girls but at least I want 2 fucks during a 2 hours session. That day she lost a potentially good customer. Better go give my money to the ones that have a good attitude and the ones that have some consideration for their customer.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980239]Yes accepted that Thai girls may not be used to very full on DFK and CIM. My GF does full on DFK only really when very sexually excited, or possibly after drinking alcohol, and she can get slightly bitey with it on occasions and is also into mild slapping or scratching when very stimulated, like a wild cat. LOL. I don't have the same tendacies at all, but I just accept what she likes doing. She often has an excuse for no DFK outside of sex, like did not brush the teeth after smoking or after food.

I never asked her to do CIM, as I never cum from BBBJ. Her BBBJ skills would not be good enough and gets jaw ache too quickly. I assume most Thai girls are not doing CIM anyway, outside of P4P but don't really have the sample to know.

I don't think what is happening with Thai men is relevant to our discussion of GFE. It is from our point of view.

I have little doubt that the very best DFK comes from latino girls, e.g. Brazil[/QUOTE]In contrast to Syzygies, I can only come by BBBJ because otherwise it requires condom, which prevents me from coming. Also I am attracted by FLs rather than club girls because it needs a bit feeling and discussion. Thus I am a friend of beergarden on Soi 7 or Thermae. This year I was twice in BKK and could'nt get CIM from beergarden girls; at Thermae I found but not easy, I agree. My 1st trip to BKK was 1988, We went to Mona Lisa, a famous brothel with about 120 girls wearing different colours, which should tell you what they do or not. Out of so many girls only about 3 would do CIM ("smoke" as they said). So was much worse than now! We were told it was not in the thai culture, that's the reason. Nowadays it is more relax even though not common, at least on the sex market. Last November (see my post) I went to CLub 102 on Soi 24/1, a terrific place in my taste, looking like a old european brothel. ABout 15 mostly attractive girls, out of which only 2 agreed to CIM: fortunately it was excellent! So yes althoug times are changing and thai girls get more open-minded, it is still a bit difficult to get it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1980328]I asked a girl why they prefer Japanese. She said 333. I asked her what that meant and she said "3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000".[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, I've heard that one too. There is a natural time limit for that summation, however. It isn't really going to work out as nicely in the perhaps not too distant future when girls are routinely getting 8000 from Japanese customers. LOL.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1980267]YEs I also wondered why so many girls stand there completely demotivated, to the point some really attractive ones would bring the horniest punter to flee! WHy spend hours along the wall if they don't want to make money?? Or are they not necessarily FLs?[/QUOTE]The set-up in Thermae is such that virtually every approach, qualification and deal closing (or not) is very much on display for dozens of nearby patrons and girls to observe and possibly judge. Not only is it natural for anyone, customer or girl, to be intimidated by it, there is also the issue of "face". I see some posters in another thread being somewhat dismissive about the concept of Asian "face" in the context of P4 P, but this is a time and place where I believe it really is in play.

Some of the better looking girls are used to being fawned over and not being rejected. They have not developed the thick skin for possible public rejection that less attractive girls have developed over the years. Therefore, the better looking ones will be far less apt to toss out a first big smile or nod in a direction they have no idea will be returned. If not returned, they will perhaps for the first time in their lives be seen as "undesirable". Actually, that isn't so different from the way it is with beautiful women all over the world. But with the added issue of Asian "face" involved, it is very much in those girls' self-defense mechanism to appear utterly and totally indifferent to the proceedings. Now, if you toss out the first big smile and nod and it is not returned, that might be a clearer sign that they are not interested. But that might also be for reasons having nothing to do with your attractiveness or potential to be a good customer.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1980471]The set-up in Thermae is such that virtually every approach, qualification and deal closing (or not) is very much on display for dozens of nearby patrons and girls to observe and possibly judge.

But with the added issue of Asian "face" involved, it is very much in those girls' self-defense mechanism to appear utterly and totally indifferent to the proceedings. Now, if you toss out the first big smile and nod and it is not returned, that might be a clearer sign that they are not interested. But that might also be for reasons having nothing to do with your attractiveness or potential to be a good customer.[/QUOTE]Yes she is on display to all, so she is not going to be slutty or raunchy in there.

It does not bother me at all if a girl looks bored or indifferent. If she does not change when I talk to her, and indicate my interest, then there is a problem. If I show I am keen on her, and she reacts well, then a deal is possible.

Thermae is definitely a place where it is up to the man to be the aggressor and do the hunting. The girl is the prey waiting to be attacked.

So the girls' deadpan look from a distance should not be making the punters flee, only her reaction when approached.

Some of the more desperate girls (or non popular girls), do wink at me, and try to attract me, but the top girls are not needing to do that. I get some not so favourable reactions from the real popular beauties in the Thermae. I am not the model of the preferred customer I guess. I think a good percentage of girls are not looking for Farangs.

Remember the 5 4 3 rule. 5 inches 4 minutes, 3K, or did I get those mixed up a little.

Some day I will ask my stunner ex Crazy House, why she preferred to dance naked in Crazy House rather than work the Thermae. Could be she wanted Farangs more so than Japanese, could be she had in mind being BFed by 9.30PM at the latest. Does not go to be really late. Maybe was simply that her friends were working Crazy House. Maybe she wanted to dance really slow sexy showing off her fab body to help pull the customer very fast. Anyway she never had time to get bored hanging around waiting to get a customer. It is easy when you are the prettiest girl in the room. In a gogo bar it is allowed to make eyes at the customer and act slightly raunchy.