Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463022]The only difference is:

I can mostly control getting STD's and most go away with antibiotics within days. I can control not getting an overdose or pregnancy. I can control a robbery situation if I only see chicas at my airbnb with security. Same goes for fake ID and getting drugged. Basically everything on this list can be mitigated or completely controlled with common sense. Covid cannot.[/QUOTE]Of course you can prevent covid, it's easy, just stay at home, don't talk or interact with anyone. Never open your window, get a filter for all the air that goes into your house or wear a spacesuit at all time. When you need food, get it delivered to your door, wear a spacesuit to get them from the door, but make sure you wait for an hour after the delivery guy leaves. Clean every bit of food that came from outside using soap for 40 seconds (20 seconds is what most experts recommend, but let's do 40 just to be on the safe side), this means you can only get food that are washable like salad, chicken breast, rice, apple. Etc. I'm pretty sure anyone who applies these measures will be covid free.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2462810]I have met more chics that are pregnant here in Colombia than I care to mention. So let that be a notice that they are having sex. On the other hand, remember to follow the American law of the girl being 18 years old or older. My girlfriend has given me a glimpse into the Vennie world that many may not see. These girls are prison time for foreigners and seen as a way of becoming a woman for Latin women in this culture. My girlfriend has been living with me for over 2 months and I can tell you that her son is also young and since others know that he is now living with a Gringo, he has been accused of being the father of about 7 babies by women who are up to 10 years his senior.

Many of these girls and their mothers are opportunistic, they will do anything to extort a gringo if the opportunity is there. If I give you no more advice, allow me to give you this, obey the American laws if you are a foreigner, the stigma attached to anything of the such is so horrible that even if you are not guilty of anything your fight to return to normal would be so expensive and embarrassing that the chances that you may be taking are just not worth it, don't do it. The amount of 18 yr old and older chics in this country is so plentiful that doing anything that goes against 18 yrs and older is plain stupid. If this country's men like chics, allow them to do what is normal for them, and you do what you know is legal for your, 18 and older! Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]What happens if you're a dual citizen of Colombia and the US. Who's laws would apply? Could you not claim you are a citizen and following the country's' laws.Age of Consent vs Age of Majority

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Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory rape.

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

Thanks,

Admin[/blue]

I think it's a wash unless anybody duct tapes themselves inside their house. I suppose it's easier to avoid crossing paths with other people in rural areas. I have to be honest, whenever the pollution spikes up (most recently when the Sahara sand covered the city) and I have respiratory problems, it give me pause. Full disclosure, I'm pretty sure I had coronavirus last January when I was in the US for Christmas holidays. It wasn't in the news yet so I didn't associate it with what everybody now knows. At the time I thought it was bad luck because I hadn't had the flu in something like four years. It lasted a good three weeks or so and they symptoms were body aches and severe respiratory distress of the flu variety. I did not quarantine but I did go to bed much earlier than I normally do.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463022]The only difference is:

I can mostly control getting STD's and most go away with antibiotics within days. I can control not getting an overdose or pregnancy. I can control a robbery situation if I only see chicas at my airbnb with security. Same goes for fake ID and getting drugged. Basically everything on this list can be mitigated or completely controlled with common sense. Covid cannot.[/QUOTE]

My understanding is that prostitution is legal, per COLOMBIAN law, when a chica is 18 or older, regardless of whether the partner is a Colombian or foreigner. And in defining prostitution, payments include not only cash, but gifts. I read this in the Colombian law two years ago, but was not able to find it tonight.

From what I have heard, most Colombians ignore this law. As I've had a number of Colombian girls says they had sex for money with Colombian guys when they were well under 18. It's a way of life for some.

However, if a Colombian is having consensual sex with a minor, the age is 14.

Not that anyone would care, but you have to be 18 to be married in Colombia, unless you get parental consent from the parents of the underaged party.

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I was ONLY asking if Colombian men are legally allowed to pay for 14+ or if there is another age for prostitution. It had nothing to do with me or any other American or foreigner. I had a feeling my question would be misconstrued, as it was, by many. However, it was pretty straightforward.

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[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463022]Basically everything on this list can be mitigated or completely controlled with common sense. Covid cannot.[/QUOTE]So what there are 50,000 active cases of Covid in a country of 50 million and of those 50,000, how many are asymptomatic? Say of the active cases, 10% are totally symptom free. So you are at what, a one in 10,000 chance of getting Covid even assuming a 100% transmission rate?

In contrast you go to an event with a 1000 people in Colombia, and that means one person likely has Covid. So let us say that person infects 10 people at the event. The risk of getting infected at such an event is 10 in 1000 or 1%.

It's this kind of nonsense that bugs me. If I read another article about how going to BLM protests which involved 1000's of people marching didn't cause Covid to spike I am going to puke.

And how is being with an escort in Colombia riskier than being on an airplane with a 100 people on the ride down?

To me, it is funny how the pro-scare covid people have been saying "The world is going to be messed up until we have a vaccine. " When has there been any vaccine for a cold virus that has been 100% effective? I do not get the vaccine as Godsend.

A Wake Forest study came out today and showed the death rate of Covid to be 0. 1% same as the flu.

So tell me why is Covid so much more of a risk than the flu then?

People die from the flu every year. The difference is that there is not that much media attention with it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2463048]
And how is being with an escort in Colombia riskier than being on an airplane with a 100 people on the ride down?
.[/QUOTE]You're probably not making out with those 100 people with masks on the airplane, Lol.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2463020]All due respect, but nothing on your list is really "life threatening" like COVID can be, and a smart and experienced monger can avoid the items you listed as occurring, or lessen the impact of them if they were to occur by taking pre-cautionary measures like wearing a condom or carrying little money or anything of value while in El Centro. I don't consider any of your items as having the potential of being worse than having COVID because of it's "unpredictability" how someone may fare.

This is a rough topic for everyone right now, with lot's of differing views depending on how much risk somebody wants to take.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Lugnut;2463005]Maybe. Of course, COVID could kill you too.[/QUOTE]I don't want to down play the risk of covid, I'm in the low risk group, I should be more considerate about other people's concerns. My last point on this topic is to reveal my ignorance on raw statistics. I have no idea what is the likelihood of getting killed from mongering in the seedy part of Medellin. I guess one can do a rough estimate in their head. I just want to point out that the risky items I listed is only a small subset of all the possible dangerous associated with mongering, and they are relatively statistically independent (their occurrence is independent from each other, thus, the overall likelihood of anyone of them happening is much higher than the probability of a specific item takes place).

[QUOTE=SJobs;2463030]Of course you can prevent covid, it's easy, just stay at home, don't talk or interact with anyone. Never open your window, get a filter for all the air that goes into your house or wear a spacesuit at all time. When you need food, get it delivered to your door, wear a spacesuit to get them from the door, but make sure you wait for an hour after the delivery guy leaves. Clean every bit of food that came from outside using soap for 40 seconds (20 seconds is what most experts recommend, but let's do 40 just to be on the safe side), this means you can only get food that are washable like salad, chicken breast, rice, apple. Etc. I'm pretty sure anyone who applies these measures will be covid free.[/QUOTE]Your previous comment was about the dangers of mongering being more likely to happen than getting covid. I guess you could try and have sex in a spacesuit. Assuming one is mongering, the difference between getting an STD, robbed or drugged is that these are preventable with common sense. Getting covid from someone who appears healthy is not preventable *when you are mongering* (outside of a spacesuit).

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2463044]Question answered.

So, these girls in centro that stand out as being on the younger side are either using a fake ID (if they are under 18) while putting themselves and the client at risk, disregarding the law and going with clients who are also doing the same, or they are 18+.

Thanks,[/QUOTE]It's a bit of a paradox, but shouldn't be surprising in that some Hotels in Centro, specifically those in the pedestrian walkway like the Premier Plaza and Zona Rosa are very vigilant in checking ID's which has been my experience with them, and are good at knowing which ID's may appear to be fake, where as if you go on the street on the backside of the Church towards the Museum where the majority of the youngster's hang, they are being taken upstairs by Colombians into Hotels who know that many of these girls are under 18.

So yes, everybody is breaking the law, the girls, the clients, and the Hotels as well, but not a big deal for them.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2463048]So what there are 50,000 active cases of Covid in a country of 50 million and of those 50,000, how many are asymptomatic? Say of the active cases, 10% are totally symptom free. So you are at what, a one in 10,000 chance of getting Covid even assuming a 100% transmission rate?

In contrast you go to an event with a 1000 people in Colombia, and that means one person likely has Covid. So let us say that person infects 10 people at the event. The risk of getting infected at such an event is 10 in 1000 or 1%.

It's this kind of nonsense that bugs me. If I read another article about how going to BLM protests which involved 1000's of people marching didn't cause Covid to spike I am going to puke.

And how is being with an escort in Colombia riskier than being on an airplane with a 100 people on the ride down?

To me, it is funny how the pro-scare covid people have been saying "The world is going to be messed up until we have a vaccine. " When has there been any vaccine for a cold virus that has been 100% effective? I do not get the vaccine as Godsend.

A Wake Forest study came out today and showed the death rate of Covid to be 0. 1% same as the flu.

So tell me why is Covid so much more of a risk than the flu then?

People die from the flu every year. The difference is that there is not that much media attention with it.[/QUOTE]Literally everything you wrote here doesn't make sense and is mathematically incorrect. You then stated and assumed a crazy amount of things that nobody has even mentioned here. I'm not getting sucked into making this forum a covid thread again. If you want to argue with people and be illiterate, there is another forum created specifically for this purpose.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2462789]Man,

Getting covid should be the last thing a monger care about, rationally, the amount of other risks involved in mongering in Medellin, especially in el centro, is much more severe both in terms of degree and likelihood. To corroborate my point, here is a short list:

Getting basic STDs.

Overdose on drugs.

Getting a girl pregnant.

Getting robbed..[/QUOTE]I plan on being in MDE as soon as things open up, and I'm not worried about anything on your list or C19 but if I were to worry, it would be C19.

That would worry me.

Nobody can say what will happen if we get it, and you could be unlucky and be dead in a few weeks.

That's a concern, if one doesn't fully appreciate that risk, they really need a shrink.

Somebody wrote Russian roulette I believe that is an apropos way to put it.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463056]Your previous comment was about the dangers of mongering being more likely to happen than getting covid. I guess you could try and have sex in a spacesuit. Assuming one is mongering, the difference between getting an STD, robbed or drugged is that these are preventable with common sense. Getting covid from someone who appears healthy is not preventable *when you are mongering* (outside of a spacesuit).[/QUOTE]I see, you are right, it's impossible to prevent covid during mongering. The way I see it, mongering is a dangerous activity already, most mongers are risk takers, there are a ton of other risks we have to worry about.

I've had a couple of drinks so this is funny because I'm patient from booze. There are no loopholes. The legal age is 18. In your example (which with all due respect is somewhere between silly and desperate) in spite of whatever other citizenship you may have you are subject to US law and you can be extradited where extradition treaty exist or prosecuted when you are in US territory. Try to prove me wrong at your own peril.

[QUOTE=Mateocast98;2463034]What happens if you're a dual citizen of Colombia and the US. Who's laws would apply? Could you not claim you are a citizen and following the country's' laws.Age of Consent vs Age of Majority

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Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory rape.

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

Thanks,

Admin[/blue][/QUOTE]

Dual Citizen. You will be held to Colombia's laws there but not sure as a Colombian citizen or USA Citizen. But when you get to USA you will face the law as a USA Citizen.

You think the lock down is tough. Multiply that by a few times worse and you get an idea what jail is like. Then subtract the women.

Even if you are 100% innocent, the legal system takes years. During that time you may not be in jail but you may have your passport taken as a flight risk. The USA Takes years to finish the legal gauntlet. Colombia will take longer. Even if you are 95% sure everything will be fine, that 5% will cause tons of stress, depression, anger, etc. As you play What-Ifs in your head for a minimum of 3 years before your case is finished.

Ignore advice from most old timers. Most laws are stricter now with more on the books. The stories or advice they are telling you are from a time long gone when laws were rarely enforced. It is far more rare to buy yourself out now unlike decades ago.

If you think the laws are black and white then you have never been through the legal system. It is all grey. Anything can happen. I learned that the ruling for or against you is 70% determined by the mood of the judge and whether he is friends with your lawyer or the other lawyer. People in industry talk. Your lawyer may hate you and tell the judge you are an ass and to send you up the schitts creek without a paddle. Never mind what your lawyer says in the courtroom.

In most cases of any sort nobody truly wins (except women in divorces). Avoid the legal system at all costs. Once in it is hard to get out.

Somebody (friend, family, foe) will let your story out on the web.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2462958]Well yes, I realize that.

I feel fortunate having recovered fairly easy and I don't recommend the virus to anyone (obviously).
Like you said, its very unpredictable how it will affect each individual.[/QUOTE]Glad that both of you recovered. This is probably the best outcome.

I think the doctors and scientists in US have found out a lot about the disease. As a result, the fatality rate will decrease due to improved method of treatment. People react differently to the same underlying condition. It could be more dangerous for people who show symptom late.