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[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]I know but I'm probably guilty of cultural arrogance![/QUOTE]
To the contrary. I would say that this is exactly the attitude and behavior that's necessary to enjoy this country to it's fullest. It's all about recognizing that our disgust/anger/frustration only harms ourselves and ain't gonna change a thing. Once you accept the latter, it's possible to enjoy a very nice life here, whether for a short while or for the longer term.
GE
[QUOTE=Vaughnyb1]Kinda figured bar girls all over the world lie. I am in Medellin Colombia now and these women are incredible liars, I'm talking about the regular girls. Its part of their culture here in S. America so I can't trust um. I'm the type of guy that likes to monger once in a while but 'its the exception not the rule'. So I would like to find an honest girl when I arrive in Asia in Dec. Or Jan. But it sounds like the regular girls lie alot there too and its part of their culture also. I wonder if its like that in Cambodia, Thailand or Jakarta. Any suggestions where I might find an honest and submissive woman?[/QUOTE]
As I said, Thai women are habitual liars, it is part of their culture, you are a falang and when you are in their country it is within their right as a Thai citizen to lie, cheat and exploit you and every other Thai is obligated to help out vice versa, they even have a saying in their native toungue that says basically "Thai shall help Thai" that is a code for a pending rip off. Viets I've also noticed are practised liars.
One thing I've noticed about Filipina's (non bar girls and such) is they tend to exaggerate, this isn't considered lying but sort of a cultural thing. For instance if you buy her a P5000 watch for a present she will brag and show it off to her friends and tell them you paid P10,000 for it. Stuff like that.
SpamHog
[QUOTE=Vaughnyb1]I'm the type of guy that likes to monger once in a while b[/QUOTE]
And, of course, you plan on being honest about that with this "submissive" woman you find, right?
I am amused by the number of guys who visit either AC or other monger destinations who continually criticize filipinas as being liars and cheats and thieves etc.
How many of these same guys tell the girls that they are not married (when they are); divorced (when they are not) don't have kids (when they do), looking for a possible pinay wife (when they are not), plan to settle here (when they aren't and cannot anyway) and so on?
I know 2 guys whose whole life here is described to women as the complete opposite of the truth. When I go out with one of these guys he relies on me to go along with his charade and not "blow his bullshit stories". Yet he is one of the same people who uses the old corny "if her lips are moving then she is lying" line.
He doesn't see the hypocrisy when I challenge him about this. He says it is "different".
I am not suggesting that we have to divulge everything about ourselves to the girls but I do wonder about telling them absolute bullshit lies. I tend to fall into the category of not telling them anything rather than telling them straight out lies. I don't subscribe to the theory that says "they tell me lies so I will lie in return".
Just wondering if any readers are the same as my mate. That is, you think pinays are liars but it's OK to tell them a heap of lies about yourself too.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Just wondering if any readers are the same as my mate. That is, you think pinays are liars but it's OK to tell them a heap of lies about yourself too.[/QUOTE]RK,
I was wondering why the thread degenerated into a load of name calling about filipinas. And the culture and what not. Till you enlightened the masses.
Damn, I wonder why people over analyse such stuff.
If you are looking for a wife. Look for a wife in nicer places. Darker places such as bars only have people who have dark intentions. Either knowingly or unknowingly (in the knowingly category. They plan to make money. In the unknowingly category. They are made to make money by their circumstances / family /bf etc.)
If you are looking for a screw. Just do it and get over it.
If you are looking for a long term relationship. Don't look for it in the bars. Now can you guys also reveal how many women in the west marry guys for the money and then call it quits? You could add in the load of sham marriages almost everywhere.
For some, it is filipinas ripping them, for Singaporeans, it is China girls ripping them, for Malaysians, it is Indonesian girls ripping them. So. It is everywhere.
Just pay the girl to leave, and move on.
If you are psycho analysing stuff, let me quote this little joke, that applies for all women.
A man was walking along the beach in california, and saw a bottle. Rubbed it and as expected a genie popped up. The genie said he could ask for 3 wishes. The guy says "I want a million dollar in my bank account" and the genie says "done"
Then the guy says "and a beachfront property in florida, with a mini golf course and private marina". And the genie says "done
Then the guy says "I want to go to hawaii, but I am scared of flying. Can you build a highway from west coast to hawaii? " the genie says "no can do, it is thousands of miles away over the sea. Ask something else"
Then the guy says "ok, then can you tell me how to read the mind of a woman? "
The genie says "errr. The highway, you want it four lane or six lane? "
Get the drift?
Women are deceivers. In every culture. What do you think make up is? Nothing but deception Since Eve if you want to get philosophical.
I once challenged a missionary to ask his good wife is women deceive men. Her answer? "well if the men allow themselves to be deceived" Which meets my second point. Women are far better verbal creatures. They manipulate and manage and hurt men with words.
When a man sometimes finally retaliates physically. He wasn't the aggressor or the initiator. He is still WRONG, but often not the initiator.
I guarantee – they will see past your bald faced lies. And choose to ignore it, for their own benefit.
The fun part is when you call they bs: New shoes dear? Her" no I've had them for ages " Him " good that they are the new seasons colors" haha
Its a game A sport. Find one who is 100% straight and no natter how ugly marry her Or send her to me and I will
From a movie I like: Man u\is the head of the house- but the woman is the neck: and she can turn the head anyway she likes.
Pinays lie as a way of surviving. They live in large families and in close housing there is no privacy. Plus they are free Islander like people oppressed by old Spanish Catholic moralities. SO the ONLY way to survive, to stay sane, is to lie, lie alone. Lie in teams. I have seen it done as a way of life in 3 Filipino families and am convinced it's the norm.
Pretending to ignore the lie. Also seems to be part of how the game is played. I hate it.
Well as long as we are on the subject, I thought I would add. My live in GF here in Asia was a blonde from Texas with gigantic titties. When she would ask me questions like, "do you love me?", "how does this dress look?", "What do you think about ...", I would always reply with a truthful answer.
Finally she said to me one day, "We are going to have to work on your responses". She then went on to tell me, when a woman says this, you say this. Thus, I surmised it really did not matter at all what my opinion was, she was looking for a conditioned response, i.e. you are beautiful, not fat, I love you dearly, and you are the only one for me ever!
I wonder if this is what transcends all women, meaning, if you are talking to a bar girl then she has conditioned responses to questions that she thinks you want to hear that will make you happy. It only goes to reason. And the inverse might also be true, meaning if she is asking you questions then you are providing answers that you think she will want to hear. Is this lying outright? I am not sure. My guess is we should quantify what is exactly lying or not.
We are on vacation correct? So do you really want to hear, "I have three kids at home and support my Filipino husbands' drinking, cockfighting, and yaba addiction by fucking various foreign men throughout the month. Oh yea, and your number 35 this month so just short of fucking my ear I hope you don't get VD, warts, or Chlamydia because I was 'sick' the day I was supposed to go to hygiene".
Women are deceivers. In every culture. What do you think make up is? Nothing but deception. Since Eve if you want to get philosophical.
I once challenged a missionary to ask his good wife if women deceive men. Her answer? "well if the men allow themselves to be deceived" Se how they twist their didhonesty to mak it our fault? Which meets my second point. Women are far better verbal creatures. They manipulate and manage and hurt men with words.
When a man sometimes finally retaliates physically. He wasn't the aggressor or the initiator. He is still WRONG, but often not the initiator.
I guarantee – they will see past your bald faced lies. And choose to ignore it, for their own benefit.
The fun part is when you call their bs: New shoes dear? Her" no I've had them for ages " Him " lucky that they are the new seasons colors" haha
Its a game A sport. Find one who is 100% straight and no natter how ugly marry her Or send her to me and I will
From a movie I like: Man us the head of the house- but the woman is the neck: and she can turn the head anyway she likes.
Pinays lie as a way of surviving. They live in large families and in close housing there is no privacy. Plus they are free Islander like people oppressed by old Spanish Catholic moralities. SO the ONLY way to survive, to stay sane, is to lie, lie alone. Lie in teams. I have seen it done as a way of life in 3 Filipino families and am convinced it's the norm.
Pretending to ignore the lie. Also seems to be part of how the game is played. I hate it.
[QUOTE=Carmex]We are on vacation correct? So do you really want to hear, "I have three kids at home and support my Filipino husbands' drinking, cockfighting, and yaba addiction by fucking various foreign men throughout the month. Oh yea, and your number 35 this month so just short of fucking my ear I hope you don't get VD, warts, or Chlamydia because I was 'sick' the day I was supposed to go to hygiene".[/QUOTE]One word "GRABE"
This is getting hilarious. I wonder if the whiners are just out of college or have never had any experience with women. OR. Just assumed that since back home women are screwed up, Asian women will be as they are promoted "obedient, subservient, and never saying no, and always willing to oblige". Forgetting that people are people where-ever they are.
It is just. In Asia, when an Asian screws up, it is bad, but when a westerner screws up, just the tolerance is a bit higher, but that also has a break point.
The classic example I hear from my friends. When an Europeans talks about positions with Asian girls, the girls go "wow, you europeans are so open minded about sex. " and when an Asian guys pips in. With similar comments, the girls go "damn pervert. "
So. The grass is always greener. Doesn't mean anything else.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]..............
Just wondering if any readers are the same as my mate. That is, you think pinays are liars but it's OK to tell them a heap of lies about yourself too.[/QUOTE]
With all due respect to those who commented on "lies", I was not referring to the fact that filipinas tell lies. That is established as a very well-known fact.
My major point was that many of the guys who call filipinas all manner of names for being chronic liars also tell the most blatant lies to the girls too. I am bemused by this anomaly and even more amused by the way that it is rationalised away by the same guys when they are challenged about it.
Econotech knew what I was saying when he mentioned the tolerance levels.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]How many of these same guys tell the girls that they are not married (when they are); divorced (when they are not) don't have kids (when they do), looking for a possible pinay wife (when they are not), plan to settle here (when they aren't and cannot anyway) and so on?[/QUOTE]I have a friend who lies for social reason, because if he tells them the truth, that he is not married, he is met with incredulous comments and a barrage of questions as to "why" he is not married at his age. So he tells them that he is divorced, which spares him from this grilling.
If you are of a certain age and not married, Filipinas and Filipinos will think that there is something wrong with you (which in fact is true, since being a sex tourists is "wrong"). They will call you "butterfly" and "babaero".
If, on the other hand, you are married but also support several other women for sex, they will find this perfectly acceptable - even though it is in fact less commendable from a moral point of view.
There are, after all, not that many differences between Christians and Muslims. At the end, it amounts to the same. Muslims can have many wives, but often can't afford it. Rich Christians do have many wives, just like rich Muslims do. At the end, it just amounts to a matter of wealth. The difference is that Christians are hypocrite about it.
[QUOTE=Radoboy]
I once challenged a missionary...[/QUOTE]
There's something vaguely funny about this:). Like I've always wanted to meet a missionary and ask him if his position was safe.
Except that he had probably heard the same tired joke a million times.
I recently decided to invest in a HD Camcorder to record some of my recent exploits for posterity. I already had a reasonably decent video capability on my digital cam so hitherto I had thought it not worth getting a specialist camcorder.
I bought the cheapest Japanese branded one I could find with HD capability. The Chinese ones were about 30% cheaper but I prefer to go with a brand I'm familiar with. As I'm in the Phils I had to settle for a slightly out of date and over priced model cf that available in West. The Sanyo Xacti VPC HD700 for 11,000P here in the Phils.
Actually I'm very pleased with the results. Its a really compact easy to use machine. In good lighting the pics are excellent, in low lighting the pics are much more grainy so if you wish to spend more money this is a feature you should focus on.
I found its really better to have a spare person to take the recordings whilst you are fucking, another reason for getting 2 or more very open minded girls. LOL
[QUOTE=Denom]I have a friend who lies for social reason, because if he tells them the truth, that he is not married, he is met with incredulous comments and a barrage of questions as to "why" he is not married at his age. So he tells them that he is divorced, which spares him from this grilling.
If you are of a certain age and not married, Filipinas and Filipinos will think that there is something wrong with you (which in fact is true, since being a sex tourists is "wrong"). They will call you "butterfly" and "babaero".
If, on the other hand, you are married but also support several other women for sex, they will find this perfectly acceptable - even though it is in fact less commendable from a moral point of view.
There are, after all, not that many differences between Christians and Muslims. At the end, it amounts to the same. Muslims can have many wives, but often can't afford it. Rich Christians do have many wives, just like rich Muslims do. At the end, it just amounts to a matter of wealth. The difference is that Christians are hypocrite about it.[/QUOTE]Like they say, "cash is king."
the aug harry the horse issue is out. [url]http://www.harrythehorse.com/2010/august.htm[/url]
there is an open letter posted to honorable harry k. thomas, jr, american ambassador to the philippines, the chairman, commission of human rights, philippines, ms. elzadia, usaid philippines and mr. roger carlson, usaid philippines regarding the lac closing and addressing accusations that lac staff were pimping, whoring, and soliciting. its a decent read. it goes to great lengths showing the accusations are false, and address possible motives for the accusations.
a few highlights:
[quote]the employees of la cafe would like to address the fabricated press releases and totally untrue allegations coming from an american funded group called international justice mission (ijm) under the leadership of a certain atty carmela andal-castro, ijm field officer. ijm philippines an american funded group claim they donate large sums of money to philippine government organizations.
the general manager of la cafe once released from hospital filed a case against the american national mr. marc edward mc cabe / is # 06-h-16862/ address: 139 blk 7 sitio 3 zone 7 sto.nino a. bonifacio, western bicutan taguig – who claims he works for usaid philippines. mccabe, a us citizen claimed he was "un-touchable" in the philippines as he worked for usasid philippines and would use his infuence, connections and position of authority to cause problems for la cafe if a case was taken against him. this criminal case is# 06-h-16862 can be verified by the regional trial court of manila – the criminal case is still being processed and continued.
why did an american usaid supported group (ijm) start to harrass a legal filipino business that employs more than 190 filipinos as waitresses , bar tenders, utility, chefs, live bands ,dj's, security guards, and administrative and purchasing staff? workers who support their families and now have no employment!! thanks to the unfounded and untrue accusations and cases issued by ijm an american funded group, just a week after the case involving the usa national mccabe was elevated to court?
the american sponsored group international justice mission are the entity that filed a complaint against la cafe with the manila city hall, as verified by the newspapers. the manila standard newspaper even wrote in their article that mayor lim had previously closed la cafe which is un true and baseless. how would americans react if we filipinos marched into a hard rock café in new york, or tgi fridays in los angeles, a hooters bar in las vegas or any american owned restaurant and accused american waitresses of being sex workers, pimps and prostitutes writing un founded allegations to your beloved mayor!!
l. a. cafe has a very clear policy with our 12 security guards managed by an honorable decorated retiried filipino colonel that no minors are to enter the premises as ordered by manila city hall even though we are just a public restaurant and bar. the no minors policy is clearly shown at the entrance and throughout the premises with prominent signs. any minor who is out after 10 pm is a violation of manila city ordinance 8046 and responsibility of the parents, barangay officials and police. no philippine national is forced to work at l. a. cafe as claimed by the american ijm group. this idea is ridiculous, baseless and is a total fabrication!! the americans have their own history of slavery, we proud filipinos do not !!! (ok, ouch lol...comment mine)[/quote]
and this interesting note at the end:
[quote]harry, to give the truth, la cafe was just to give lim some promotion. i worked there for many years, all workers are over 18, they don't hire **** females. the boarding house out back is for girls who don't have a home and they can stay there, they have a security guard to keep out males. there were no **** girls there. this is usually a police setup as many times in the past, same here. la will reopen this month. that's a fact, mike (i know that the la cafe was a popular hang-out and that many, many lady customers were part of its popularity, but they were not employees. it will be interesting to see if your prediction comes true)[/quote]
we'll see!