American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2577782]Lol. "fleeing"? California has had roughly 1.5 times the population of Texas, 2 times the population of Florida and 20+ times the population of Idaho since forever and for plenty of very good reasons.[/QUOTE]The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the heritage Americans and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2577795]Where were they born? My understanding is the vast majority were British citizens born in the British colonies.[/QUOTE]The colonies were not part of Britain, which was the entire point that Washington and co were making. If they had been part of Britain, they would have had representation in the British parliament.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2577795]Where were they born? My understanding is the vast majority were British citizens born in the British colonies.[/QUOTE]The colonists were British "subjects", not citizens. They were affected by British law but they had no say in it. That was partly why they rebelled.

George Washington born in Virginia.

John Adams born in Mass.

Thomas Jefferson born in Virginia.

James Madison born in Virginia.

John Hancock born in Mass.

Patrick Henry born in Virginia.

I didn't research more but I'm pretty sure they were all born in the colonies.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2577854]The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the heritage Americans and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.[/QUOTE]Fine. We'll take all the people of color and all the immigrants. You can have all of the white supremacists. The simple facts are that there won't be anybody left in your utopia who will work in slaughterhouses or pick your crops for minimum wage. No more cooks, busboys, garbage collectors, hospital orderlies, janitors, etc. Good luck in finding low wage workers. We have them all and we're going to treat them better.

You can have all the guns you want. We're going to build a wall around you and, because walls work (your words) nothing will get into your utopia nor out of it.

Without the "red state drag" on the our economy, our economy will prosper. Yours, on the other hand, without the money you have always received from the feds, will wither. Unless, of course, you (gasp) raise taxes.

You will eliminate all regulations on all businesses so they will be free to pollute you rivers, lakes and groundwater. Have fun drinking the bottled water that you mock us for drinking.

20 years? Right.

[QUOTE=Jckgmn;2577861]The colonists were British "subjects", not citizens. [/QUOTE]The term "citizen" wasn't in use at the time in Britain. They were all "subjects" of the crown. Your typical colonist considered themselves to be English.

[QUOTE=Jckgmn;2577861]They were affected by British law but they had no say in it. That was partly why they rebelled. [/QUOTE]This part is true as the colonists didn't have representatives in Parliament.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2577854]The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the heritage Americans and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.[/QUOTE]It is rather remarkable to me that someone who think he is such a patriot, doesn't know anything about US history. Those illegals you are so concerned about are the equivalent of the peoples who came here 100's of years ago. Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, Russians, Chinese. They all came here to make a better life for their families. They were willing to work hard not to become rich but to give their children a safe place to grow up and to prosper. They made incredible sacrifices working 2 or 3 jobs, getting no sleep just so their kids could be Americans. Those 'illegals' you are so concerned about are doing the same thing except a bunch of you clowns wanted to limit their access to the American dream. As Bill Clinton used to say. "I got mine, you are on your own."

I'm a heritage American, at least on my father's side. A lot of us are very selective in who we live near. And I'm not a fan of living near White Supremacists or Hillbillies. So, you take your attitudes, your guns and your oil and build a wall around your little land. Just don't ask for any help. Because you're on your own.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2577854]The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the [b]heritage Americans[/b] and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.[/QUOTE]This is the first time I've heard this term.

My initial research came up with [URL]https://medium.com/@dgbarnes/the-heritage-americans-e330a0947603.[/URL] The best quote from the article is "Heritage Americans are so shallow in personality that they seek out things to shape them."

Further research yielded this [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ancestry.[/URL] The best quote was "Although USA Census data indicates "American ancestry" is most commonly self-reported in the Deep South, the Upland South, and Appalachia."

In other words, "heritage Americans" are insecure hillbillies. In other words, trumpers. ROFL.

[QUOTE=Canada;2577801]It appears that only the Republicans have patriotism in the USA now. This forum proves that. Not sure why democrats aren't patriotic anymore. I guess supporting BLM and Anitifa eliminates their patriotism.[/QUOTE]Your lord, savior and most popular Republican so-called president of all time (among Republicans), Donald J. Trump, surveyed the graves of USA soldiers who died defending American democracy and was credibly reported to have referred to the dead as "suckers and losers" for having done so.

Now he is working mightily to characterize his violent mob of Capitol Building-storming and desecrating insurrectionists who attacked, maimed and killed cops as well as some among their own mob on their way to overturning a free and fair election, overthrowing American democracy and assassinating duly elected officials (including his own VP) as "patriots" and the ones that died during the commission of their deadly anti-American crime as noble "martyrs."

Let's just say your assessment of who and what is patriotic vs unpatriotic to America is just as worthless as your assessment of typical and consistent Dem economic gains, recoveries and expansions vs typical and consistent Great Repub Crashes, Depressions, Recessions and massive USA job losses.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2577992]No more cooks, busboys, garbage collectors, hospital orderlies, janitors, etc. Good luck in finding low wage workers.

You can have all the guns you want. We're going to build a wall around you and, because walls work (your words) nothing will get into your utopia nor out of it.

You will eliminate all regulations on all businesses so they will be free to pollute you rivers, lakes and groundwater.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing: without an endless supply of illegal third world labour, wages will go up! While blue collar Americans are being replaced by Mexican illegals and white collar Americans by cheap Asians, putting the Americans out of work but giving the owners billions, in a country without immigration the economy would self-correct: nobody would work for shitty wages. So the owners would have to stump up more cash. For really basic jobs like car washing, teenagers can do it like they used to in the old days, instead of sitting around playing video games and jacking off to Twitch thots. Everyone's a winner, except the billionaires and screw them.

Nothing will get into our utopia from your shthole coastal cities? LOL. What do you have that we would want? Starbucks? Funny money? You don't actually produce anything. We will bring back manufacturing to the heartland from China and Mexico where corrupt politicians like Biden were bribed to send it. Oh, and we also grow all the food. Good luck with your CHAZ-style urban farms. A real-life Hunger Games will ensue once the soy runs out.

Oh and all the best on law and order. Another hundred gangbangers shot in Chicago this weekend? And they're moving into the suburbs now? Pity there are no longer any cops, but I'm sure the anti-racist social worker with a degree in gender studies will get everything under control.

As for taxes, once you've paid reparations for blacks who were never slaves; housing, health and welfare for illegals; the billions in remittances have gone back to the immigrants' home countries; and our bill for the food you will need to buy from us not to starve to death, there won't be a whole lot left. By then, most of the white and East Asian tax base will have fled across the border to freedom and stability, as they have fled from NYC in the past year. Will you introduce an East German-style shoot-on-sight policy at the border, as your fellow communists did before you?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2578063]Those illegals you are so concerned about are the equivalent of the peoples who came here 100's of years ago. Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, Russians[/QUOTE]But they aren't though, are they. By the second generation, those Europeans had largely assimilated into the American mainstream. There weren't Polish ghettoes set up in which nobody spoke English, or angry, hostile Americans of Irish descent turning their back on the flag and anthem when it played after they made the podium in a sporting event.

Speaking of which, in my earlier post I suggested names and a flag for your new country but I forgot to give a recommendation for your new national anthem, given that you hate the Star Spangled Banner. After some thought, I've come up with one which I believe fits the bill: Yakkety-Sax. I'm imagining it playing over footage of the mostly peaceful riots and battles that will occur between black and central American gangs, only increasing in scope when the welfare money and food runs out.

[QUOTE=Canada;2577801]It appears that only the Republicans have patriotism in the USA now. This forum proves that. Not sure why democrats aren't patriotic anymore. I guess supporting BLM and Anitifa eliminates their patriotism.[/QUOTE]If you honor the 4th of July, then you should investigate the 6th of January.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2578102]But they aren't though, are they. By the second generation, those Europeans had largely assimilated into the American mainstream. There weren't Polish ghettoes set up in which nobody spoke English, or angry, hostile Americans of Irish descent turning their back on the flag and anthem when it played after they made the podium in a sporting event.

Speaking of which, in my earlier post I suggested names and a flag for your new country but I forgot to give a recommendation for your new national anthem, given that you hate the Star Spangled Banner. After some thought, I've come up with one which I believe fits the bill: Yakkety-Sax. I'm imagining it playing over footage of the mostly peaceful riots and battles that will occur between black and central American gangs, only increasing in scope when the welfare money and food runs out.[/QUOTE]Wow you just make up the facts as you go. Is that it? There are sections of New York City that have specific names. Little Italy and even then (1970's-80's) there were old families in that section that spoke Italian in the homes. Sure the children grew up speaking Italian in the homes and English in the schools and workplace. Same is true of Chinatown and several other areas. In New Mexico there were many immigrants when I grew up there (1960's) same obvious pattern, Spanish was spoken in the home but the children spoke English in the schools and workplace.

Before you vector off in some new silly direction, I am not in favor of blanket open borders. Clearly, we don't want gang members coming in from Central America and we don't need any terrorists coming in from the Middle East or any criminal elements from Eastern Europe. But I think our country is sophisticated enough to separate those people out of the process. Maybe as a lesson in American history you might want to reread "The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus. Don't worry it's not a book it will only take you 4 to 5 minutes but it might open your cemented shut eyes. It's a poem and it's on the plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty. I'm sure it directly referenced some of your predecessors. (and mine too, that wasn't a slight).

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2578097]Here's the thing: without an endless supply of illegal third world labour, wages will go up! While blue collar Americans are being replaced by Mexican illegals and white collar Americans by cheap Asians, putting the Americans out of work but giving the owners billions, in a country without immigration the economy would self-correct: nobody would work for shitty wages. So the owners would have to stump up more cash. For really basic jobs like car washing, teenagers can do it like they used to in the old days, instead of sitting around playing video games and jacking off to Twitch thots. Everyone's a winner, except the billionaires and screw them.

Nothing will get into our utopia from your shthole coastal cities? LOL. What do you have that we would want? Starbucks? Funny money? You don't actually produce anything. We will bring back manufacturing to the heartland from China and Mexico where corrupt politicians like Biden were bribed to send it. Oh, and we also grow all the food. Good luck with your CHAZ-style urban farms. A real-life Hunger Games will ensue once the soy runs out.

Oh and all the best on law and order. Another hundred gangbangers shot in Chicago this weekend? And they're moving into the suburbs now? Pity there are no longer any cops, but I'm sure the anti-racist social worker with a degree in gender studies will get everything under control.[/QUOTE]Why is everything you write wrong.

According to you, "blue collar Americans are being replaced by Mexican illegals and white collar Americans by cheap Asians". According to you and the rest of the fascist trumpers, the only people with "skills" are white. Immigrants, illegal or not, are "unskilled". In what world can unskilled labor replace skilled labor? Fascists are the ones saying "get an education" if you want a better job. Fascists are saying now that a higher minimum wage won't work. How much education, etc is necessary to pick crops or to cut up beef / pork / poultry? Wages will go up in your fascist utopia? Not likely.

I realize that you don't know this, and likely never will, but California leads the US in farm revenue. Almost half of the top 10 farm revenue states are blue: Which are the top 10 agricultural producing States? In 2019, the top 10 agricultural producing States in terms of cash receipts were (in descending order): California, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Indiana. We will be just fine.

Remittances? Isn't the fascist line that all immigrants are lazy and don't work? Or is that only blacks? Speaking of shoot-on-sight at the border, we'll only do that to fascists trying to escape fascism.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2578111]If you honor the 4th of July, then you should investigate the 6th of January.[/QUOTE]Get a life. It has been investigated 3 times by FBI, CIA and DOJ and investigation is still going on. We don't need a $1.9 billion expense for a democratic witch hunt. That money can be used for better purposes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2578088]Your lord, savior and most popular Republican so-called president of all time (among Republicans), Donald J. Trump, surveyed the graves of USA soldiers who died defending American democracy and was credibly reported to have referred to the dead as "suckers and losers" for having done so.

Now he is working mightily to characterize his violent mob of Capitol Building-storming and desecrating insurrectionists who attacked, maimed and killed cops as well as some among their own mob on their way to overturning a free and fair election, overthrowing American democracy and assassinating duly elected officials (including his own VP) as "patriots" and the ones that died during the commission of their deadly anti-American crime as noble "martyrs."

Let's just say your assessment of who and what is patriotic vs unpatriotic to America is just as worthless as your assessment of typical and consistent Dem economic gains, recoveries and expansions vs typical and consistent Great Repub Crashes, Depressions, Recessions and massive USA job losses.[/QUOTE]Trump and Reagan probably the two most patriotic presidents that we had in the last 40 years. Both made America better and created great economies. I know every anti American, unpatriotic, hating USA democrat on this forum will deny it.

Now we have the weakest anti police, open border loving president ever. A joke to the rest of the world. Trump and Reagan were respected. Biden is the laughing stock.