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[QUOTE=Cruiser D]
B) It takes a lot for a girl to really interest me before I truly engage her on any level other then 'umm, uh huh, yeah, ok, really? thats interesting'.

C) Yeah, I escaped my 20's generally not using a condom. Then I found out how extremely lucky I was. CDC.GOV . Condom's don't bother me in the least and unless it's oral I don't understand why it would make a diff to her.

D) Hey, how did we end up with no girls at the SuperBowl party again? I did make a few attempts but the girls upstairs wanted no part of it. Next year I am bringing some with me. :) Wait..wait..Crusier D's mantra..never bring a girl to a club...never bring a girl to a club..


Ban RV-VV.[/QUOTE]
B) If I see the chance to score with a girl I like, I will search and find "that special something" in her... most have it. That's one of the reasons that if I am ever alone with a girl, even if that alone is one square meter of space in a nightclub, I usually do pretty well. Communication is the key.

C) you are of course right about the dangers, but I find many girls hate condoms as much as men do. I've never had 30 new girls in 60 days though, so you are playing Ukrainian roulette more often than I am, understandable that caution wins over habit.

D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.

By the way, it isn't bad being me either... :)

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]B) If I see the chance to score with a girl I like, I will search and find "that special something" in her... most have it. That's one of the reasons that if I am ever alone with a girl, even if that alone is one square meter of space in a nightclub, I usually do pretty well. Communication is the key.

C) you are of course right about the dangers, but I find many girls hate condoms as much as men do. I've never had 30 new girls in 60 days though, so you are playing Ukrainian roulette more often than I am, understandable that caution wins over habit.

D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.

By the way, it isn't bad being me either... :)[/QUOTE]Just curious about the story behind this girl, if your in the mood to tell.

Fox7717

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Umm, Fox, where did I say I fucked 100 girls. I said I met 100 new girls, actually it's probably slightly more considering I usually average 2 new meets a day - excluding chatting someone up on the street and getting their phone number, that doesn't count. New sex was kind of on the low count this trip. I ended up sexing mostly regulars this trip. I'd say in the last 60 days I probably exchanged DNA in one fashion or the other with 30 new girls and 20 regs. I broke my ban on RP this trip, and she ended up being the best sex of the trip. I am sure this will amaze and intrigue Uke Boy because he also knows another girl I fucked who was/is top notch. The best all around sex from the trip came from a RP/Nightflight Vet. The best oral sex came from a freebie. She is number 2 on my all time list. #1 on the list is an American girl, also a freebie (and before anyone asks, no you can't have her number).

Doc,

A) I used to average 1.5k-2k/month in my 20's eating out. In my 30's I probably cut that in half (factoring inflation). For a guy who isn't in sales I do indeed eat out a lot.

B) It takes a lot for a girl to really interest me before I truly engage her on any level other then 'umm, uh huh, yeah, ok, really? thats interesting'.

C) Yeah, I escaped my 20's generally not using a condom. Then I found out how extremely lucky I was. CDC.GOV . Condom's don't bother me in the least and unless it's oral I don't understand why it would make a diff to her.

D) Hey, how did we end up with no girls at the SuperBowl party again? I did make a few attempts but the girls upstairs wanted no part of it. Next year I am bringing some with me. :) Wait..wait..Crusier D's mantra..never bring a girl to a club...never bring a girl to a club..

Ban RV-VV.[/QUOTE]Cruiser: Interesting/ironic that the best fuck was a RP girl? I maintain there's a lot of luck in the 'fuck rating' although experience helps a lot?! The girl I mentioned a while ago from RP was great, probably because we hit it off.

Fox7717

[quote]money=power
power=fun
fun=girls[/QUOTE]Could not agree more, so how do you achieve this effect when you spend (and are proud) to so little loosening the pantie elastic?

Fox7717

D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.

Dr S may I ask you, on the night of the Super Bowl at RP were you and the Cruz sitting on the right hand or left hand set of couches as you walk into the Sports Bar or were you down the other end ? It's just that I was in that night and I couldn't figure out where you guys were and I didn't fancy asking if Dr Skank was in the house !

[QUOTE=Tremayne]D) Why didn't we score? Because we have priorities... and on Super Bowl night sports + beer + bros definitely before hos. I did score last year though with the B Team... this year I guess we weren't paying enough attention. I only tried to score when it was apparently too late.

Dr S may I ask you, on the night of the Super Bowl at RP were you and the Cruz sitting on the right hand or left hand set of couches as you walk into the Sports Bar or were you down the other end ? It's just that I was in that night and I couldn't figure out where you guys were and I didn't fancy asking if Dr Skank was in the house ![/QUOTE]
Cruiser and I and Maverick1 were sitting at the far end, together with 3 American guys we didn't know. Maverick did it the right way... he just walked up to us and announced: "ISG?"

:)

Bummer we missed each other... where were you, which couch?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Cruiser and I and Maverick1 were sitting at the far end, together with 3 American guys we didn't know. Maverick did it the right way... he just walked up to us and announced: "ISG?"

:)

Bummer we missed each other... where were you, which couch?[/QUOTE]

I ended up between the Night Club and watching snatches of the game in the Sports Bar

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]a) why go to dinner?

In most cases the only girls I take to dinner are ones I have already fucked and where I would actually like to enjoy a dinner with them. Conversation, intellectual stimulation, foreplay. I have (for the most part) stopped using the "dinner to impress" method. It is indeed a waste of money unless you really are there to enjoy the meal. It is sometimes fun to impress village girls with an "expensive" meal, but they can be impressed with much much less.

b) drinks in clubs

There is no reason to spend 150 euros on drinks for 2 people in Kiev unless you love the taste of alcohol more than the taste of pussy.

c) money

If you aren't willing to spend at least some money, you'll have a hard time getting laid.

money=power
power=fun
fun=girls[/QUOTE]


a) The "dinner to impress" works effectively with me. I think there 2 kinds of daters here in the forum. Guys that spend time in Kiev just to get laid as much as they can and guys like me that come often for very short business trips. I can spend how much I want for meals putting everything on my expense note and honestly 99% of times I brought a freebie (or even an RP girl the day after) to Concord, Da Vinci, Pena (CD thanks for the hint!), Nobu, Grand Cafe', Monaco I hit the target with no additional cash out... So what... Why should I stop this way? Maybe there is something also on my charme, but the truth is that in WE towns I need 3-4 dinners to get laid and this happens about 50% of times (still I enjoy the hunting)
Keep in mind that I work during the day in Kiev... So I have to play everything at dinner time (if I'm not caught in boring business dinners... in this case I have to play p4p if after I'm still able to stand up)

b) Agree... after dinner maybe a drink, to furtherly reduce inhibition (if any), but it's a waste of time (more important than money)

c)
money = power
money = fun
money = girls

If money is not enough, then power, fun and charme can fill the gap...but this is a game that doesn't end the same way for everybody :D

In general I'm aligned with CD. Kiev sex makes sense because of his quality and because it's easy to date girls 20 girls younger... Not because it's less expensive. Furthermore I'm spoiled and accept only girls that are at least 8 in my personal scale... even if there are many around here, still some effort is needed

[QUOTE=Hecker]Of course people who stay more than one week in Kiev will be laid for sure. However this week can cost
1) 50 euro minimum for apartment every day
2) 30 euro for each date on average which equals 100 euro almost if you date 3 girls every day (normal)
3) 30 euro every day personal expenses, taxis etc
4) 400 euro plane ticket

So a week can cost on average 350 euro for apartment, 700 euro on dates, 200 euro for personal expenses plus 400 euro for plane ticket. So it is 1650 euro for a week without any p4p and without any present (which is likely if you have slept with a girl). So if we add 2 p4p for 200 euro each and one present of 200 euro we get to 2300 euro for one week which is enough money and with that we can get two pros and one freebie or two freebies in best case.

We compare that to province where everything costs half, so the expense is 1400 euro for the same (plane ticket has the same price).

If you invite a girl to stay with you in your country, you may pay for her 100 euro maximum every day (accomodation, restaurants). So you need 700 euro for one week or 1100 euro if you pay plane tickets as well.

That is why I wrote that in Kiev you buy comfort with money if you are willing to do so. Not everybody wants to spend 2300 euro for one week. Another one may think it is worth the effort, it depends how much value you give to women and what appearance of women you accept and how much you are ready to pay for this. The money paid for one week in Kiev compared to the result you get is for me borderline, minimum accepted.
The money for province for one week is accepted. Anyway this is my view.[/QUOTE]


You back up my point that Kiev is very expensive!
Coming here it's all about the quality of sex you get and the appearance/age of what you can get. Nevertheless I never came to any of the CIS countries on vacation or just to meet girls. I'm just lucky I have some well-paid work to do here and no cap on my expense note. This makes everything easier (my only real cash out is a present from time to time and RP when I have no time for other options).
Maybe I contribute to spoil girls and to harden the market with expensive dinners and clubs, but honestly I get what I can in an easy way and without bothering about what this means for the ecosystem.

I agree that it's simpler to bring the girl to you or in vacation with you if you have some stunning looking sex-addicted that wants to reach you for a few days. If I'm on holidays I want relax and not the stress to chase girls around... I rather prefer to invite for a week in some tropical island the best date I had in the previous year in Kiev. I guess no bimbo here would say no :D

T66, there is a large subculture of professional daters (female) in Kiev. Generally under 25 and speaks English well. They are not going away until the economy crashes, so why not take 'advantage' of them. Two upscale dinners and 'oh by the way I am staying at the Hyatt' is all that you need. These girls are very easy to avoid (or find) so no one should really be complaining about it.

The only meal I ever had in Kiev that was worth the expense (quality and service) was at Pena.

It's looking to be quite the nice day in Kiev weather wise. The girls should be out in full force in the late afternoon-evening. Time to shine the shoes and work on 'privet dyevushka! kak dela?' ;)

Fox, RP sex. Practice makes perfect and you have to love a girl who likes her job. I paid $200 for the night - 6 hours. She seriously almost broke my leg.

One of the reason why the Doctor and I do well in the FSU is because the girl that he posted the picture of is just considered a B level girl. If I remember the deal correctly she and her friend cost the Dr $250 - not a bad deal in anyone's play book.

T, it was too bad we missed you at the SB party. You should have sent one of us a PM. Maybe next years turn out will be bigger. We'll get a banner made for the next one. 2nd Annual River Palace ISG Superbowl Ho Down. ISG stands for International Savings Group - we are bankers, baby. Girls are the currency.

Is Kiev the cheepest place in East Europe to find adult entertainment.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Fox, RP sex. Practice makes perfect and you have to love a girl who likes her job. I paid $200 for the night - 6 hours. She seriously almost broke my leg.[/QUOTE]Wow, you managed to find a $200/whole night in RP?? The last time I was there one of the girls asked for $200 for 1 hour! Or I made a bad search?

I have found this Tania [url]http://kiev-escorts.adultcompanion.co.uk/[/url]
She's a funny 'individulka' always telling me jokes about Kiev prostitutes :)

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]T66, there is a large subculture of professional daters (female) in Kiev. Generally under 25 and speaks English well. They are not going away until the economy crashes, so why not take 'advantage' of them. Two upscale dinners and 'oh by the way I am staying at the Hyatt' is all that you need.[/QUOTE]

Believe me, I take all the advantage I can! :D

Mav, I always find girls at RP interested in $200/night after a little chatting - all top notch. Brokered many a deal for friends there at $200/night.

The link you posted is just another site for the infamous GIA. ;)

James to sum it up in one word, no.

T66, I am curious, what place do you think is best for Italian food in Kiev?

The subject quote is from a girl I met at Avalon who thought that because I only spoke English I was looking for a prostitute. I came back about 20 minutes later and saw her tonguing her female friend. I love 'normal' girls like that. Oh, I had gotten her friend’s number earlier that night. :)

Hey, I didn't write this. But it was too good to pass up. Someone stole it from an English site (stealing something in Ukraine?! Impossible!) and changed all London references to Kiev ones, well except for the last one. Too funny.

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