Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=TheCane;2685913]Well, you're well-entrenched on this site, and you pay for it. Right? So, why are you here (with your thousands of posts), and why do you pay for it too then? Not that I believe you put pussy on a pedestal. You don't. But you do pay for it too, and yet you seem to be critical of those who use the site when you yourself are one of the most prolific posters of all time here. You know what they say. We are the company we keep.[/QUOTE]I pay hookers because that is their job. I do not pay normal chicks that are not hookers. I have always said that.

I am not critical of someone paying for pussy, but I am skeptical when someone claims that another person is in love with them when they are the one footing the bill and that person declares that in order to have someone love you in a real relationship it is going to require your money.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2685918]Being in "romantic love" for females is usually a pretty "good deal".

For modern men its an archaic con game, that only the lamest betas still engage.[/QUOTE]There you go. You frequently find this with chicks in Latin America. They see themselves as the prize and say you need to win me over (conquistarme). I say bich you are grown and this is real life, not a fantasy or a movie. If we like each other then we like each other. No need for the childish conquistarme games. And while I am winning you over what are you doing besides soaking it all up? I have more money than you and anybody you know. If anything you are the one who needs to be trying to win somebody over. They have some fucking nerve.

Just like in Thailand they are able to trick some foreigners into giving the woman's family a dowry. If anything they need to be giving you the dowry because you are taking on an extra mouth to feed and freeing them of the burden.

I do not know why the shit seems so clear to me, but others seem to be led around by the heart and wallet. Next thing he knows is the shirt on his back is all he has left to his name. If your bich has really turned out to be a bill then you need to re-evaluate. A fool in love and his money as they say.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2685942]That says I am no dummy and that the women I meet are adults that are miraculously able to support themselves. My own daughter is 25 and asks me for nothing. You think I am fool enough to monetarily support some other grown woman? Hell no. Not my style. But more power to whoever sees fit to do it.[/QUOTE]You have talked yourself into a corner:

My seeing my woman in Bogota at $100 a night hotel costs for seven nights in a month: $100 a day or $700 per month for hotels. None for her. This is your definition of a stud.

Seeing her now for 7 days in Cartagena: $700 apartment, $500 living expenses. $1200 total. Now this is your definition of a john.

But what if you go to 14 days?

Seeing her for 14 days in Bogota: $1400, but I am a stud.

Seeing her now for 14 days in Cartagena: $1200 but I am a John.

So how can it be that I am a john when I am actually paying less?

Now what if I give up my place and stay more in Cartagena and switch from a house and go to a hotel / living with friends model in the USA. That would be +$1500 for 2 weeks.

Cartagena cost now for 2 weeks: I am actually ahead $100, and she would love it if I stayed 14 days a month.

Furthermore, you are so obsessed with not paying you are not seeing the bigger picture. What are the costs of a no-show for me? The Plane ticket, hotel expense, time off work are in the thousands for dollars.

So $500 a month is peanuts for me in the grand scheme of things. Your notion of "not paying for a grown ass woman" is holding you back, and this is the problem with most ISGers. If you pay $10 more for a woman, guys freak out. Pay $200 more a night for a hotel room and everyone yawns. That is a dumb ass mentality here I have never understood.

And you are paying in ways I am not: no shows, asking for marriage, scrolling through your phone. That is a waste of time, and time is money, and the emotional turmoil costs you as well. You are just so enamored with "not paying for it" you discount those costs.

And you are still seeing hos and I am not? Why? I am not seeing hos because sex with any of them would be a disappointment. How much are you paying per month for that?

Your take on that is you are ahead of me because you are not paying for it, and I am? LOL. Okay, keep telling yourself that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2685947]I am skeptical when someone claims that another person is in love with them when they are the one footing the bill and that person declares that in order to have someone love you in a real relationship it is going to require your money.[/QUOTE]You are skeptical of a guy paying $500 a month so he can see the woman he loves more often? WTF is wrong with you? You keep insisting this money is for pussy, and it is not. You keep painting yourself in a corner. No woman is worth $500 a month so you can spend more time with them? If you cannot do that, I question the quality of the women you are seeing and your feelings with them.

You got all this money for hos but not for the women who supposedly love you?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2685888]No we do not all pay. That is a cliche. If you are paying then it is because you are choosing to pay, not because you have to pay. Nothing wrong with a paid arrangement, but some people mistake their paid arrangement for love.

Funny that a topic today in a facebook group that I am in is:
Ladies: Why is it that most women feel theyre giving the gift of sex when its a mutual act, and in a lot of cases women want it just as much as we do(men)?

One woman answered: Because men look at pussy as a prize and women took that and ran with it.

That is absolutely what I see in the ISG threads. For some reason guys look at pussy as a prize greater than themselves that they must win or pay for in some kind of way. In other words they put pussy on a pedestal and deem themselves only worthy of it if they use money.[/QUOTE]Funny thing about cliches. When an obvious truth gets repeated year after year, it becomes a cliche. There are no cliches which aren't true.

Every thing you've done, since the doctor cut the cord, you've paid for and it will continue until the day you die. When you were bawling your head off to get mommy to give you the tit, you were paying for it. You paid with your breath, energy and tears, and the reason you paid was because taking care of your hunger was worth pitching a fit.

Everything is a trade. You pay your boss with time and effort, he pays you with money. To use your own line, stop showing up, stop doing your job and see how long the paychecks keep coming.

When you fuck a regular chick for free, you pay her. You're paying time and energy, not to mention the time and energy spent finding her and convincing her that fucking you was worth her time and energy. When you pay a hooker, you save some of the bullshit by throwing a bit of cash.

There's not a gnat's ass worth of difference between how you pay for sex and how Elvis pays for sex. You each just pay from different accounts. He uses cash instead of time and promises of a ring a and green card. He feels like he's getting a good return on his investment. You use time and whatever you tell the women to convince them that fucking you whenever you're in town is better than settling down with someone else, and you feel like you're getting a good return on your investment.

The only difference is that he thinks you would be happier doing it his way.

That in itself is silly. Why give a shit whether you're happy? If you're not happy, that's your problem. How does anyone know what makes a complete stranger happy?

The only thing any of us have which is worth a damn is time. You only get so much. If whatever you're doing with your time keeps a smile on your face, then keep doing it. If not, go pay some woman to put a smile on your face.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2685865]
So what if the doctor says she is dead? Not really dead? Just dead for a couple days, dead? Or what if he says "she" is actually a puppy? Or cat? Donkey? Take you pick.
![/QUOTE]As far as I know, having sex with a consenting woman is legal and in the interests of both parties, whereas bestiality is illegal and animal exploitation. Although you folks all condone it by eating meat, eggs and dairy. So don't criticise me for having fucked up morals, hehe.

Dead. Now that is a more interesting subject. I thiink that so long as the relatives don't know, its not immoral! I mean, who would be suffering, who would know?

A dreaded sunny day, so let's go where we're happy and I'll meet you at the cemetery gates.
Keats and Yeats are on your side while Wilde is on mine.

PS: I am not JK, I am TK ... Just TK.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2685959]There you go. You frequently find this with chicks in Latin America. They see themselves as the prize and say you need to win me over (conquistarme). I say bich you are grown and this is real life, not a fantasy or a movie. If we like each other then we like each other. No need for the childish conquistarme games. And while I am winning you over what are you doing besides soaking it all up? I have more money than you and anybody you know. If anything you are the one who needs to be trying to win somebody over. They have some fucking nerve.

Just like in Thailand they are able to trick some foreigners into giving the woman's family a dowry. If anything they need to be giving you the dowry because you are taking on an extra mouth to feed and freeing them of the burden.

I do not know why the shit seems so clear to me, but others seem to be led around by the heart and wallet. Next thing he knows is the shirt on his back is all he has left to his name. If your bich has really turned out to be a bill then you need to re-evaluate. A fool in love and his money as they say.[/QUOTE]Lets see.

When a female tells me she loves me, do you know what changes in my mind or in my life? Nada, nothing, not a damn thing.

What happens when some foolish beta monger tells a 3rd world puta he loves her.

Now she knows she owns that *****, next comes the ring then the wedding, and then the sweet ass "she won the lottery divorce".

Ever been in a divorce court courtroom whilst they are going over settlements of assets (his never hers).

Go to a major city find the county courthouse and watch a few hours of any courtroom any day of the week (cook county has a few dozen), it will blow your fucking mind.

BTW most of the judges in these courtrooms are "females" spoiler alert its all rigged.

Funny how they have cameras everywhere, but I'm never allowed to record shit.

They will tackle and taze your ass if you even think about it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2685967]Cartagena cost now for 2 weeks: I am actually ahead $100, and she would love it if I stayed 14 days a month.

Furthermore, you are so obsessed with not paying you are not seeing the bigger picture. What are the costs of a no-show for me? The Plane ticket, hotel expense, time off work are in the thousands for dollars.[/QUOTE]I get it now. You are not doing it for her, you are doing it for you. No more hotels to worry about and you do not have to track her down when you are ready for her. This is more about convenience for you than it is about love for her.

Sure if I had only 1 woman then that model would make a lot of sense. But I am a philanderer and choose not to go the one woman route. As a matter of fact there are several chicks that I deal with whose houses I stay in and do not have to worry about a hotel anyway. And the places that I do pay for a place to stay it is nowhere near the price that you do. I am a modest guy.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2685967]And you are paying in ways I am not: scrolling through your phone. That is a waste of time, and time is money, and the emotional turmoil costs you as well.[/QUOTE]Good. So you do not have to hide being on this website from your girl as most guys in a relationship probably would have to.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2685967]And you are still seeing hos and I am not? Why? I am not seeing hos because sex with any of them would be a disappointment.[/QUOTE]That begs the question: why are you wasting your time still being on ISG when you are not trying to see hos and you said that time is money?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2686003]The only thing any of us have which is worth a damn is time. You only get so much. If whatever you're doing with your time keeps a smile on your face, then keep doing it.[/QUOTE]You are definitely right about that.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686006]As far as I know, having sex with a consenting woman is legal and in the interests of both parties, whereas bestiality is illegal and animal exploitation. Although you folks all condone it by eating meat, eggs and dairy. So don't criticise me for having fucked up morals, hehe.

Dead. Now that is a more interesting subject. I thiink that so long as the relatives don't know, its not immoral! I mean, who would be suffering, who would know?

A dreaded sunny day, so let's go where we're happy and I'll meet you at the cemetery gates.
Keats and Yeats are on your side while Wilde is on mine.

PS: I am not JK, I am TK ... Just TK.[/QUOTE]Morals? We don't need no stinking morals?

I didn't judge your morality or lack thereof.

I'm not into moral judgments I may judge your sanity and / or intelligence or lack thereof.

But prob never your morals, I believe they are way too subjective (other than homicide / abortion), and this is a monger forum afterall.

Could you imagine if we judged morality here LMAO.

I'm a Buddhist at heart so take that for what its worth.

I love most men, just not sexually, I really like the line from "As good as it gets", Jack Nicholson is asked if he's gay.

He answers, no but if I was ID be the luckiest guy in the world.

I hate most women except for their bodies, espec those 3 holes that I love so much.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2686003]Everything is a trade. You pay your boss with time and effort, he pays you with money. To use your own line, stop showing up, stop doing your job and see how long the paychecks keep coming.

When you fuck a regular chick for free, you pay her. You're paying time and energy, not to mention the time and energy spent finding her and convincing her that fucking you was worth her time and energy. When you pay a hooker, you save some of the bullshit by throwing a bit of cash.[/QUOTE]Has been a while but here's another heaping helping of BS reasoning from JJBee62. Everything isn't a "trade." The effort you put into chatting up and scoring with a regular girl isn't a "payment" to her. Such has nothing to do with payment to an employer who profits from your efforts. The analogy of a baby "paying with screams" to it's mother for breastfeeding is equally ridiculous. This is a mere signal to the mother that a need exists so she can provide the attention she desires to give. Congratulations, your fallacy is "fake analogy."

[URL]https://fallacyinlogic.com/false-analogy-definition-and-examples/[/URL]

If anything would show us that everything isn't a trade it would be the outpouring of support for Ukrainians at this time. Many are following the dictates of their conscience by responding with compassion, and with no expectation of anything in return. To accuse them of any selfish motives would not only be presumptuous, but would betray a lack of familiarity with conscience or compassion. Many people do operate only with selfishness, but not everyone.

But maybe this goes full circle back to the "you pay one way or another" nonsense, what is just that, nonsense. There's plenty of women in developed countries that marry men equal to or even lower than their economic status. Many women just have their own money. These are facts and crying about "feminism" while growing a belly and letting one's looks go (Elvis) doesn't change the facts. It only complains about them. It's also true that horny women sometimes go with a guy that turns them on, and for no reason other than attraction and sexual pleasure. No, you don't pay one way or another. That concept is a monger forum salve for guys to make themselves feel better about being a client for hookers, IE. "everybody else does it anyway" which is nonsense. Most American men don't go near hookers. A high percentage of men in Asia do however.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2685912]The Washington Post reported "She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982, when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. ".[/QUOTE]And that proved to be accurate.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2685912]Do you know the source of what is on Wikipedia? It is users' reports. One of the original founders of Wikipedia recently said it has become a liberal-biased site. It most likely was her attorney, who told her to take the polygraph, who disclosed the results.[/QUOTE]It certainly was [B]not[/B] her attorneys who told her to take the polygraph. She took the polygraph in August of 2018 and she wasn't outed in the press until September of 2018. The attorneys volunteered to assist her once she agreed to testify in the Judicial Committee hearings which occurred [B]after[/B] she was outed in the press.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2685912]She is and has been a life-long registered Democrat.[/QUOTE]So? Are you trying to claim that she was a partisan? If so, you should note that Federal Election Commission records show that she made contributions to Democratic causes from 2013-2017 in the grand sum of $100. That isn't each year, that is in all 5 years combined. This from a woman that has a net worth estimated at $5 million. That doesn't seem too partisan to me.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2685912]That is not true. Her first claim that it was Kavanaugh, if you want to believe her husband, was in 2012. That was after she earned those degrees.[/QUOTE]Your making your own self-serving assumptions again. Her therapy acknowledgement of the assualt was in 2012. Her husband said she had told him about the assualt earlier. Of course, they were married in 2002 and the majority of her degrees were earned prior to the marriage. You're quibbling about the sequencing of events not about their factual basis.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2685912]Her motive was to prevent Kavanaugh from being on the Supreme Court.[/QUOTE]SO, Fun Luvr did she know him or not? Are you trying to say she read about his nomination and then made up the whole incident and it never really occurred? If that is your claim? (which is laughable) How lucky that she went to an all girls prep school in the same area when and where Kavanaugh grew up.

When people come forward in this type of situation there is usually a motive. Afterall, she was pretty successful in her life, teaching at Stanford Medical School and estimates of her net worth come in around $5 million dollars. So what are the typical motivations??

Justice / Revenge: The problem with these motivations are that she would have been telling the truth about the incident.

Money: Pretty clearly not in this case. She has a substantial net worth [B]and[/B] she didn't write a book or go on the lecture circuit to rake in the bucks.

Fame: Again not so much in this case. She didn't hit the talk-show circuit or take pundit gigs. She just went back to her quiet little life.

Partisan Hatred: I guess this is what you must think. But she didn't seem to be a very active partisan before 2018. She made what could be described as miserly contributions to the Dems and when she came forward about the incident she insisted on confidentiality. Not exactly something you would expect from a partisan true believer.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2686003]Funny thing about cliches. When an obvious truth gets repeated year after year, it becomes a cliche. There are no cliches which aren't true.[/QUOTE]Materially or intangibly.

Cliches are like generalizations, they are grounded in truth.

We all pay with some combination of the following: time, money, emotion, karma, self-worth, loss of self-respect, sleep, food, loss of emotion, STD's, physical health, sanity, compromise, etc. My list must be incomplete because it's off the top of my head. Those guys who don't see it are delusional because they have their ego invested into their sexuality. Keeping score, a need to compare to others, wanting others to monger the same way they do or implying their way is better.

There can be a mind-set of guys who invest their ego into thinking that the more freebies they get, the bigger studs they are. That's delusional. I've had it both ways. Projecting out to my expected lifespan, I will die having had way more "girlfriends" or novias than Pay for Play chicas.

Between the time I was in my mid teens until my first and only marriage in my mid-forties, 98% of what I did was girlfriends, a lot of girlfriends. If I was traveling and in a country where P4 P was legal, then I would partake. I was monogamous for 16 years in a marriage (she wasn't) and now I am predominantly into P4 P although I still have a few "serious" girlfriends. I have the money to pay when I want and I enjoy enhancing certain chicas' lives that way. If I really care for them, why wouldn't I pay them? They need the money way more than I do. Not paying them in my situation would be an insult, and sending the wrong message.

If I guy can't pay because he doesn't have the money and still get's laid, then more power to him. Just like my choice to pay, that by itself proves nothing or makes one mongerer "better" than the other. If there is a line that gets crossed, it's when the sexual behavior gets compulsive (guilty as charged) with numbers that are 2 or 3 standard deviations away from the mean, or the mongerer starts projecting the way he does things as better or the preferred way compared to other mongers (not guilty).

Some guys don't have any game or the money to get the sex they want and that can lead to frustration and resentment of other mongers. They basically have to learn how to ration or "budget" their sexuality in the P4 P world which is better than not having sex at all.

Some guys have the game but don't have the money and they are often compensating, again because of ego, to prove to themselves and others that they don't need the money to get laid. I happen to believe there are very, very few situations in life that are not improved with money. At the highest level, money in our world equals freedom.

Some guys have no game but have the money and they are generally the obnoxious ones who even fellow mongers will call out for their vulgar behaviors.

Some guys have the game and the money, and that is not a bad place to be if that person is well grounded without a lot of ego issues, but they can be just as obnoxious if not more than than the guys with no game and money.

And if you think what we do isn't a game, well, you are stepping up to bat with no balls (pun intended) and two strikes against you, jeje. The Bard may have said it best, "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players".

Joe Biden blames the record high gas prices in the US on Putin. If Putin is to blame, why haven't gas prices risen in Colombia? In Medellin, the current price for regular gas is from $2.25 to $2.45 a gallon. It has been around that price for at least the past two years.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686006]...Dead. Now that is a more interesting subject. I thiink that so long as the relatives don't know, ...[/QUOTE]I think the question is when you do it, do you know she is dead? LOL.