Transparency and Transactionality
[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2823708]Don't know if my original comment regarding this was misconstrued. But I'm all business and aware of what male and female relations are about. Your comment describes most western men, basically paying to play in dating and marriage to make themselves feel like they're really not paying for it. Mongering is much healthier and real. It's a business transaction at the end of the day and most mongers want exactly that.[/QUOTE]I'm right there with you CaliGuy33.
First, let's establish the baseline reality of transactionality.
Ehs183 puts it very well:
[QUOTE=Ehs183;2823839]I look at it as hiring temp labor. Once a person understands that 95% of personal relationships are transactional in some way, the more free they are. Since I like to hire a lot of temp labor when I am shopping in a country (2-3 X day), Thailand offers great value / availability and exceedingly good price / performance ratios. Greece is one of the only other countries that I have found that compares with the availability / value and price / performance.[/QUOTE]Most conventional romantic relationships are transactional. We all have a "market value" in this sense and assortative mating works well to pair us with compatible mates, I. E. Create fair market transactions. Pair bonding facilitated by oxytocin and other neurobiological processes, combined with cultural programming acts to dull the feeling of this transactionality. The illusion is so complete, that when a man loses his job, becomes ill, or takes some other hit to his market value, he is often shocked to see how quickly he is abandoned. Even friendships are transactional- but obviously the stakes are lower because the goal is not direct reproduction and evolutionary success- although community ties assist in this in a holistic way.
Some pay for play relationships are more transparent in their transactionality than others.
A [B] Beach Road/ Soi 6 hit it and quit ST [/B] is the most naked in its pay for play- but even then the tenterhooks can begin to penetrate. I know of a guy who wifed up a Soi 6 girl and tried to move her back to Scotland fully aware of her body count. Not sure how that's working out because she blocked me on social media. Usually, however, strong emotions are not generated in these experiences and the transaction is mostly sexual. The downside here is that a hedonic stasis is difficult to avoid, and constant novelty is required to achieve the same effects. Running to stand still and all that.
Less transparent is the [B] LT Experience.[/B] Part of what is being sold is the simulation of having a girlfriend and so the Bar Girl clothes come off and the street clothes come on. Dinner, drinks, massages, strolls through the mall, approximate the feel of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. The primary thing to notice is that as transparency of transactionality goes down, emotional investment goes up as does the associated ability for the lady to manipulate the man using this button. As I've mentioned, my current repeat LT is trying to hook me in with the "I love you" crap which other men (as evidenced by the beta males on her social media sending her money) have fallen for. Some Western men are so starved for love and attention they will blind themselves to the screaming reality of their own exploitation.
Next to a conventional relationship, the least transparent is dating the [B] semi-pro from Seeking or Thai Friendly.[/B] This type of monger appreciates the fact that the girl is much lower volume and feels more comfortable in something that has the feel of a real relationship, with a modicum of baseline chemistry and a bit of genuine attraction. The monger who dates "semi-pro's" is in most danger of being emotionally manipulated, and often cannot square the fact that his girl is seeing other men as well. This type of monger often undergoes extreme emotional swings during his affairs with these ladies, and that's the price he is willing to pay for his preferred experience. Remember that there are no real "semi" pro's, only girls that are lower volume, and in the end you need to square the fact that she is sucking other dudes' dicks one way or the other.
I do not wish to cast judgment on any of these methodologies. The ST monger and the SemiPro monger have found ways of achieving intimacy that work for them and neither should feel more smug or satisfied than the other. The ST monger has the problem of needing to feed the beast with constant novelty, and the Semi-Pro monger musty deal with the extreme emotional swings that come with indulging in his particular illusion.
My point here was to illustrate the relative levels of transactional transparency with each method.
In other news, I walked into Club Excite in the middle of some kind of party last night. Several girls were topless and a punter was up on the stripper pole area getting his dick sucked in full view of the entire crowd. I finally found my provider from last Summer, but she seemed so ran through and just out of it, that it was too depressing to take her for a BJ. When she started last summer she was new and fresh and we had a great time, but I think 1 year in Pattaya has changed her in obvious ways. She remembered me, but her glassy eyed stare had none of the connection of our previous encounters. Also I didn't feel particularly welcome as none of the guys at the party were friends. Moving on, I found a cute girl at Pleasure Lounge on Soi Boomerang who does a great BJ so the night was still a success.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2823603]No way! You can still find girls for 1,000 to 1,500 easily enough and I would not go higher. It's not that long ago when 1,000 was standard and it's only the past year that prices have gone up to 1,500.[/QUOTE]I responded on the call for 'high quality ladies' . You might not find those on BR or any Beerbar (not anymore)! So I referred to AGOGO ladies, who then might be of his liking. Especially girls from PinUp Agogo. IF you want to take a girl from a WS agogo, yes. Expect to pay 3 k for ST. They might ask 4 or even 6 k (!), but that's up to you and your negotiation skills!
Yes, That's what I mean to say
[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2823687]Franky was refering to GOGO-GIRLS. Not the normal ladies in bars / freelance and all. 1000-1500 is standard but in some gogos it can go to 3 K easily for ST.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your understanding and clarifying.
