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[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1302940]Norjan: I've been lazy so I haven't, but due to all the negative reports recently maybe I should; the good times are still rolling.[/QUOTE]Right on Zimmerbaby!
We do need some reliable volunteers to go visit Art and report.
I'll be up on the 25th / 26th so there's still a lot of time to wait, unfortunately.
Rb and Angus are too busy with the car valet startup thing so we can't count on them. LOL.
Norjan when is your next visit in magic Berlin?
Ciaooo
[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1302954]Being infected at these levels as I am, you could never know who actually wrote this message; Zimmerbaby or the dominant Chlamydia trachomatis Infection. I'll probably undergo a Azithromycin or Doxycycline treatment before my trip to Hessen next summer.[/QUOTE]I have always used condoms for actual sex but love OWO. In women at least Chlamydia can be often symptom free, but I heard that is rarer in the case of men.
It is one of the most contagious STDs out there. I just wanted to ask you something, how did you know that you had Chlamydia?
Did you have any symptoms or did you get tested?
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1302971]Right on Zimmerbaby!
We do need some reliable volunteers to go visit Art and report.
I'll be up on the 25th / 26th so there's still a lot of time to wait, unfortunately.
Rb and Angus are too busy with the car valet startup thing so we can't count on them. LOL.
Norjan when is your next visit in magic Berlin?
Ciaooo[/QUOTE]I will be in Berlin from Saturday. After a few days in Frankfurt. Going to hit Oase and one other FKK there. I will be happy to TOFTM and do a few days at FKK Artemis. And report back. I still think I will be able to get laid in said brothel though!
I am a fan of "long in the tooth" old hags so will give ELLA a run for her money. Especialy if she has big bolt ons. Woo hoo.
"Party on Wayne"
I've had chlamydia twice. First time got it from my girlfriend (so who's the real *****, not the WG at Artemis) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] was unpleasant but not unbearable. There´s also excessive smell, but symptoms may vary from person X to Y. No discharge, and easily cured by medication, but then several infections will require harder drugs, broad spectral antibiotics. But chlamydia can be transferred by OWO, imagine 20 % of the guests at Artemis are probably contaminated, and 97 % of the ladies perform BBBJ. The microorganisms are existing in their throat, and I can not imagine that the girls are taking medication several times each month! Look at Jane from Hamburg, she's sucking 140 dicks a week. Think about the distance from mouth to throat. I think some people have to be more realistic regarding risk/return.
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1302971]Norjan when is your next visit in magic Berlin?
Ciaooo[/QUOTE]Early August.
Weekend of July 19 to 23 in Berlin.
The reports of a decline in the level of talent at Artemis during these summer weeks when some of the best girls at Artemis take vacation are not encouraging. To begin with, I was not impressed with the number of hotties present at Artemis on my first visit there earlier this year when I overnighted in Berlin on April 18, in comparison to the numbers of pretty girls I saw at FKK Oase and FKK Palace when I spent the weekend of April 20 to 22 in Frankfurt. I only was able to lay my hands on one doable girl at Artemis on the night of April 18th, but since I had spent that very afternoon during my stopover in Vienna, fucking the brains out of Joanna for two hours, my favorite girl in FKK Goldentime Vienna, I did not go to sleep without a smile on my face when I called it quits that night. So I'm not encouraged about what I might have in store for me at Artemis for next weekend. But it's my only opportunity for a mongering trip to Europe during this summer due to an unusually low airfare to Berlin that just popped up, so Artemis and Berlin it is.
However, I will have a full day stopover in Zurich on the way into Berlin. And although normally I gather the feeling is that the costs of the girls in the FKK clubs in Zurich, like FKK Globe or BumAlp, being double what the costs for sessions are at FKK Artemis are, it isn't worth mongering in Zurich, because you can get the same thing at the FKK Artemis for half the price, I am wondering if any of you agree that there is an exception in this instance?
In other words, does anyone on this thread agree that since there is currently a decline of the number of high level beauties available at FKK Artemis at the present time of the summer vacation period, as observed on a number of reports on this thread, combined with the fact that at places like FKK Globe in Zurich it is generally felt that there is normally a higher concentration of high level beauties compared to the German FKK's, that this might constitute a situation which is an exception and where it is worth it to monger in Zurich in order to get to some high level beauties?
If I am generally only interested in very pretty girls at the FKK's of 8's and 9's, should I keep my pants zipped in Zurich and wait to monger in Artemis where it is half the cost, or will I regret passing up nailing some very pretty girls in Zurich when I see the depressing line up at Artemis?
I am generally ok to spend more to get much prettier girls, when the situation warrants it, such as I have done when I am in Kiev. So it isn't the spending of $300 / hour in Zurich by itself which is an issue for me. I just don't want to spend double unless there is a good reason to do so.
I'm interested in hearing the viewpoints of any of you who have experienced both mongering destinations and have an insight which can help me decide whether to keep it zipped in Zurich, or try to nail one or two very high level hotties when I'm there, lest I regret missing out on such high level girls later, if I don't find their equal in Berlin.
Best regards,
LJ
[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1302993]I've had chlamydia twice. First time got it from my girlfriend (so who's the real *****, not the WG at Artemis) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] was unpleasant but not unbearable. There´s also excessive smell, but symptoms may vary from person X to Y. No discharge, and easily cured by medication, but then several infections will require harder drugs, broad spectral antibiotics. But chlamydia can be transferred by OWO, imagine 20 % of the guests at Artemis are probably contaminated, and 97 % of the ladies perform BBBJ. The microorganisms are existing in their throat, and I can not imagine that the girls are taking medication several times each month! Look at Jane from Hamburg, she's sucking 140 dicks a week. Think about the distance from mouth to throat. I think some people have to be more realistic regarding risk/return.[/QUOTE]Why not using old remedies (that are far better than ordinary chemistry)?
Sodium carbonate in powder to wash genitals (male or female) with warm and cold water; the quantity to use is 2 tea spoons for a small sponge;
And by the way, Soda ash is also good for mouth-washing; 1 glass of water (25 CL circa) 1. 5 tea spoons of this powder and 1 tea spoon of sea salt;
All the bacterias are fucked-up in a matter of a minute.
Cheers
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1303199]Weekend of July 19 to 23 in Berlin.
The reports of a decline in the level of talent at Artemis during these summer weeks when some of the best girls at Artemis take vacation are not encouraging. Help me decide whether to keep it zipped in Zurich, or try to nail one or two very high level hotties when I'm there, lest I regret missing out on such high level girls later, if I don't find their equal in Berlin. LJ[/QUOTE]LJ haviing read some of your reports elsewhere, you will expect THE answer in some detailed management cuntsultancy, benefit-cost anal-ysis breakdown. Well you are in luck, because the answer, once we examine the system drivers is fairly simple, me thinks.
Your grand plan assumes that the same vacation behaviour may not occur or apply in Zurich. In fact, think it may. Hot girls with enough money will likely say, I don't need this shit for a few weeks and replant their bods in Ibiza. But there are 2 other problems. Comparing mellons with mellons ( Globe has little or no food, and the beauty bit always subjective) , and uncertainty as what ever generalisations might apply may not on the particular day. You could of course PM some Zurichers. But, in short, there no good way to decide based on the "facts", given the uncertainties.
So you decide if it worth potentially wasting the entrance fee at Globe and leaving un-gepopped just to have the no-regrets feeling. I would say, do it.
The mark of the true profi monger is whether he is willing to just walk, unsatisfied, vs lowering his standards. Then same applies at Artemis. Worst case, you have sussed out the Globe scene and have a one day data point, and if Arts disappoints, you still have plenty of good bordellos where as you say the costs will be lower. Then of course there are always private bordells in Zurich also. Or the un-charted waters that Sir Wanking explores with reckless abandon.
i have a little different take on this. all due respect lj but last time you came through a couple of us spent some time and effort helping you with logistics and opinion, for what that is worth. no doubt were i to come to kiev you would do the same. however, i sort of expected in the weeks following your short visit at least a perfunctory report of your adventures.
did i miss something?
if i did, my apologies. but as far as i could see we never heard a peep out of you concerning berlin. this forum is supposed to work as a give and take, we take, we give. while acknowledging your prodigious out put in the kiev thread, still i expect a little in return here for our efforts.
am
[QUOTE=Belvaros;1302991]I am a fan of "long in the tooth" old hags so will give ELLA a run for her money. Especialy if she has big bolt ons. Woo hoo."[/QUOTE]I certainly do not mean to "dis" Ella in any way with my comment. When I did my sessions with her I remember them as high octane and very satisfying. Her BJ skills are second to few and indeed she has a pair of crafted breasts and a voluptuous bubble butt. To top all this off she is a genuinely nice woman who is actually fairly interesting to talk to if you should feel so inclined in post orgasmic haze.
There is a faceless pic on the website and she is recognisable by the platinum page boy cut (though sometimes she curls it) and the open fishnets she often wears. Also she has a tattoo above her ass. Ella is not hard to meet as she certainly does the rounds and while not shy, she will not pester you if you turn her down. She is a pro in the good sense and has plenty of business new and old to keep her happy.
You might also be on the look out for Jenna if you like man mades. She has a huge pair and knows her way up and down a penis. She has a way of massaging the penis with her pussy which is positively tantric. Though I would also say there is a good chance she will be on vacation at the moment. But you never know. f there she often sits at the northern end of the main bar.
AM
thanks for the reply, rocketboy0. your point that my assumption that the zurich globe hotties will be there might be mistaken, and that globe, like artemis, might be suffering a "vacation" slump in the line up, may well be exactly correct. if so, it introduces another uncertainty into the situation. i would have no problem investing the payment of the entrance fee at globe and the time involved to investigate the line up at the time of my visit, thinking of it as an entertainment fee for the day. but then i am back to my initial question of, assuming i see some very pretty girls in globe when i am there next friday, should i nail them at $300 / hr rate (because i'm unlikely to find a really pretty girl at artemis next weekend) , or should i hold on to my sperm in zurich and wait until the evening to bang till i drop at artemis? i know it's a hard question to decide, because the decision must be based on taking a gamble on the uncertainties. i was only hoping to hear the thought process of some mongers with experience about their take on the possibilities.
i have in the interim found what i believe might be an intermediate path that might be good for zurich. on the zurich thread i read about club dream, which has something like an "all you can eat" policy offered at some restaurants. basically, what i understand goes on there, is that after paying their entrance fee of 160 chf plus 40 chf for the use of the facilities and a robe and slippers, a total of 200 chf, that you can then session with as many of the girls as you wish for 25 minutes each, with no additional fees save a 20 chf fee for room cleaning each session, and any small similar fee each girl might ask for any "extras". it was stated on the thread, in a review of the club from a few years ago linked to on the zurich rod thread, that the "extras" fee was nominal, as in maybe another 10 to 20 chf. so that even though the basic session under the "all you can eat" plan after paying the entrance fee did not include bbbj, or maybe not daty, that these "extras" could be gotten for an additional nominal tip of up to 20 chf. (if one wanted to extend a session past the 25 minutes permitted, it would be possible, but only upon payment of an additional 70 chf for 40 minutes more, or 130 chf for 70. maybe this club has an option that will end up being not so expensive after all. the review says that the girls at club dreams are very good looking too.
to flesh out the numbers, it would seem that since the club opens at noon, and since i must leave the club at about 4:30 pm to return to the airport for my flight to berlin, that i will have about four hours to play at club dreams. estimating that i could play with two girls each of the four hours i would be there would be a presumptuous assumption. i think a more reasonable number of 25 minute sessions to hope to achieve within the four hours would be 4 or 5 sessions, with the understanding that i do not intend to "finish" and shoot a load that many times, but rather to simply have sex, consisting of daty, bbbj and fucking in different positions, until my session time is up. i may allow myself to cum once or twice, but will control things as best i can, to save some sperm for the girls at artemis in berlin. since each girl at club dreams will require 20 chf room cleanup fee, plus an extras tip of 20 chf (assuming the report on the thread was accurate and things have not changed since the time of that reporting monger's visit) , that means there is an additional 40 chf cost associated with sessioning with each lucky girl. for 5 girls that's an additional 200 chf in these additional fees to be added to the 200 chf fees paid upon entrance. that means it will cost a total of 400 chf for five 25 minute sessions, which translates to (400/5 =) 80 chf per 25 min session. the swiss franc is about equal today to the usa dollar. the 80 chf per session is about 63 euros, which is less than the 30 minute sessions cost at artemis when you add in the cost of the artemis entrance fee. so mongering at club dream in zurich in the above manner is less, not more expensive than in berlin. if instead of the five 25 minute sessions at club dreams, i decided to forego the "all you can eat" approach, and to extend time, i could probably fit three one hour sessions, or two 1. 5 hour sessions into the four hours of playtime. the costs of doing three hour long sessions would be the initial 200 chf, plus 70 chf for each of three 40 minute extensions (another 210 chf) , plus 40 chf for each of the three girls for the room clean up fee and an extras tip (another 120 chf) , all totaling 530 chf for three hours of sessions, or 176. 66 chf per hour session, which is 147 euro / per hour session. artemis is comparable at 120 euro / hr plus the entrance fee. doing two 1. 5 hour sessions doesn't alter the conclusion, since the two extension fees of 130 chf each, added to the initial 200 chf, plus 40 additional chf for each girl for room clean up fee and tip, all totals 540 chf for 3 hours in the room, or 180 chf / hour, which is 150 euro / hr. and similar to artemis costs. of course if "extra" fees have give up, it will throw off these calculations. but it there is some decent looking pussy at club dreams in zurich, it costs the same as mongering in berlin, so no concern is raised. downside is if the line up is no good, it is a wasted 200 entrance fee.
or i may do as you suggest, rocketboy0, and just go to globe to take a chance on maybe shagging a high level beauty. it will have to be a gut decision made on the spot, i guess.
[quote=angus magee; 1303505]i have a little different take on this. all due respect lj but last time you came through a couple of us spent some time and effort helping you with logistics and opinion, for what that is worth. no doubt were i to come to kiev you would do the same. however, i sort of expected in the weeks following your short visit at least a perfunctory report of your adventures.
did i miss something?
if i did, my apologies. but as far as i could see we never heard a peep out of you concerning berlin. this forum is supposed to work as a give and take, we take, we give. while acknowledging your prodigious out put in the kiev thread, still i expect a little in return here for our efforts.
am[/quote]dear angus, with regard to the morning stopover in berlin on the way to kiev that i asked advice about, and you and others kindly responded, i appreciated your comments very much and thank you and the others for them. they will not go to waste. the upshot of that trip however, was that i ultimately decided to purchase a very portable automatically inflatable air mattress that could be stowed in my carry on, and if i was very tired after the all night flying into berlin, to simply find an area in the airport and sleep for a few hours until my outgoing flight. and if i felt good, then i would stow my stuff and go into berlin for a try of one of the bordellos we spoke of. ultimately, a combination of flight delay and fatigue determined that i would simply use the time to try to rest, so i inflated my air mattress and tried to sleep / rest in the berlin airport until my outgoing flight. so you didn't miss any report about mongering i had thought about doing during that stopover. it didn't happen. but i filed away the information for a future visit, which is about to happen now, and i will make good use of it. (in a subsequent trip on april 18 i did stopover again in berlin on the night of april 18. i was coming from vienna and had spent that day at goldentime vienna. i arrived late evening in berlin and decided to go to artemis. i had a lousy time there. i couldn't find any girls hot enough to want to session with. i ultimately took one girl who was ok, but it was nothing more than a lackluster suck and fuck. so rather than post a sour grapes report on the artemis thread, i felt it would contribute nothing, so i let it rest. i feel it is important to report when what i write can give some insight to someone else, or entertain. i didn't think i had given artemis a real chance because i only got there very late in the evening, didn't see anyone i liked the look of, and i had already given my best to joanna at goldentime vienna. so i hope i will have a better time at artemis next weekend, although i may try out some of the bordellos, and now wanking has me very curious about what's possible with sw's in berlin. some of his photos show sw's who were far better looking than what i saw in artemis on the night of april 18. we'll see. promise to report on a berlin weekend. the prior situations were pass through's and short stopovers. again thank you for your input.
lj
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1303506]I certainly do not mean to "dis" Ella in any way with my comment.
You might also be on the look out for Jenna if you like man mades. She has a huge pair and knows her way up and down a penis. She has a way of massaging the penis with her pussy which is positively tantric. Though I would also say there is a good chance she will be on vacation at the moment. But you never know. F there she often sits at the northern end of the main bar.
AM[/QUOTE]Thanks, I know you weren't dissing her. So I will give ELLA a whirl this weekend or next week. I am in Frankfurt for a few days and am trying Oase and one of the other clubs. Will try Oase tonight. Vibe here so far leaves me much hungrier for Berlin, but I have read good reviews of both places I am heading to here.
Berlin to me, is a much greater city than Frankfurt. Anyway. I shouldn't diss a place I have been in only for a day or so.
BTW I bought a phone card in Africa and rang FKK Artemis to find out of the girls I had a few weeks back are around including my fave the aforementioned JENNA. So here goes. Jenna is away (they do not know when she is back). Nina is away. Hillary is away. Gita is away but ELLA is there. So I intend to give Ella a few hungy Euros of my hard earned $$ and several other of the PSE babes there.
I will be in Berlin for 2 weeks or so, then will head to Denmark and down to Vienna, Budapest and if time permits I will give Romania a go at the beaches near Constanta. Staying at Apt Hotel Adina. Which I think is on the eastern side of the old wall."Well alrighty then".
Full match reports, my fantasy team and all star selections to follow.
"Party on Wayne"
[QUOTE=LilJoey;1303586]entrance fee of 160 CHF plus 40 CHF for the use a total of 200 CHF, you wish for 25 minutes each, save a 20 CHF fee other 10 to 20 CHF. So that er paying the entranctip of up to 20 CHF. additional 70 CHF for 40 minutes more, or 130 CHF for 70. 20 CHF room cleanup fee, plus an extras tip of 20 CHF (assuming the report on the thread an additional 40 CHF 200 CHF in these additional fees to be added to the 200 CHF fees total of 400 CHF for five 25 minute sessions, which translates to (400/5 =) 80 CHF per 25 min session. The Swiss Franc is about equal today to the USA dollar. The 80 CHF per session is about 63 Euros, which isfive 25 minute sessions at Club Dreams, or two 1. 5 hour sessions the initial 200 CHF, plus 70 CHF for each of three 40 minute extensions (another 210 CHF) , plus 40 CHF (another 120 CHF) , all totaling 530 CHF 76. 66 CHF per hour 147 Euro / per hour 120 Euro / hr plus Doing two 1. 5 hour sessions 130 CHF , 200 CHF, plus 40 additional CHF. totals 540 CHF for 3 hours in the room, or 180 CHF / hour, 150 Euro / hr wasted 200 entrance fee.LJ[/QUOTE]Please note: during swimming in the pool at Artemis you might get dizzy cause you have to swim in circles.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1303586]Thanks for the reply, Rocketboy0. Your point that my assumption that the Zurich Globe hotties will be there might be mistaken, and that Globe, like Artemis, might be suffering a "vacation" slump in the line up, may well be exactly correct. If so, it introduces another uncertainty into the situation. I would have no problem investing the payment of the entrance fee at Globe and the time involved to investigate the line up at the time of my visit, thinking of it as an entertainment fee for the day. But then I am back to my initial question of, assuming I see some very pretty girls in Globe when I am there next Friday, should I nail them at $300 / hr rate (because I'm unlikely to find a really pretty girl at Artemis next weekend) , or should I hold on to my sperm in Zurich and wait until the evening to bang till I drop at Artemis? I know it's a hard question to decide, because the decision must be based on taking a gamble on the uncertainties. I was only hoping to hear the thought process of some mongers with experience about their take on the possibilities.
Or I may do as you suggest, Rocketboy0, and just go to Globe to take a chance on maybe shagging a high level beauty. It will have to be a gut decision made on the spot, I guess.
LJ[/QUOTE]Is there such a thing as a brain hernia?. Because I might have one after reading this analysis, which I am pleased to note, I predicted you would offer. I always find it extremely gratifying when I can agree with myself.
LJ I am sure you are a clever, top fellow but playing the "Fear and Loathing" role, as your attorney, I have to advise you that this kind of thinking is pretty over the top, edging toward certifiably, barking mad. But I know some people need to do it, and as you can see from the smoldering financial ruins all around us, there is some albeit unfathomable logic to it. Somehow, I thought fucking was meant to be the ultimate expression of passion, a connection to primordial roots, some inexplicable ancient urge to merge with another body to put out the fires in our loins, to receive by giving, to forget for a moment the whole money mad consumer calculating world and just be a passionate animal and hopefully strike the same spark in another, for a few brief moments (wait-I have to catch my breath) vs some optimal solution to a linear programming problem. WTF was I thinking?
Here is a really outside the box solution. You pay the entrance to Globe, you read your analysis to the hottest girl there, she then pays you who knows (you can make it a bidding thing) hundreds to stop reading and just fuck her. You might clear a profit on the whole (hole) deal. If not her, maybe just a fellow monger might pay if you announce a dramatic reading hour. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You think this is nuts? Try this, record yourself reading your previous note, using some suitable dramatic voice like I dunno James Earl Jones or something. Then just play it back - I bet you would pay yourself to stop. Incidently, a similar therapy worked with my occasional wingman Kimino, where I convinced him to put his fingers up his own butt vs paying for silly extras. Saved him a bundle. Of course this would not work with Wanking, but I digress.
If it was me (and it surely is not) I would just say, well you know RB, when you think about it, it's net net net 1-200 of some favorite currency here or there more than whatever Plan B is, so is it really worth worrying about, considering the bundles you have dropped in eg Kiev? Will the potential savings cover my medical expenses recovering from the brain hernia I got thinking about all this? I have always been curious about the Globe and if Billy Shakespeare really was the author etc. So I'll just go there and see what happens, being prepared to either walk without, or spend a few Frankelies on some damsel and know that whatever happens in Artemis, I went around the world at the Globe.
For what it's worth-a number of Artemis lovelies relocated to the Globe. I know that they are phenomenally strict about all sorts of rules and weight and makeup controls there and it can and does drive some of the girls crazy,but it may well lead to the illusion of great service. I know a few girls who have come back to Artemis. Is the Globe stupidly expensive like London-no, but close. It is a good place. It is expensive. Is it all worth it? Who can say.
I also think that the summer "weakness" will be obviously in effect at all the other places you mentioned (as well as a few cracking ones I know in Winterthur-all these seem to swap girls around a bit). With the "weakness", you can argue that going to a large club makes more sense just because no matter what, there have to be more choices. Just way too many variables and uncertainties to make the "right" call.
So, less thinking, more doing. I can see you just need a push so I'm giving it. Just get your ass to the Globe, and fucking go for it, and let us know what happens because all of Berlin will now be on edge, and even El Sniffo (Wanking) himself might be interested.
And if this I think pretty kick ass idea of mine above works and girls pay you to not read your analysis and you actually make money going there, well man, you have cracked it. With a little Bulgarian and Romanian translating (we were thinking of this as a natural side business to the Valets of the Dolls parking service) you could do the same in Artemis, and slowly become a cult monger figure throughout the world, with youTube vids and everything. (You know I'm just kidding on all this right?!. No real offense meant). Anyway I am sure you will work it out (in great detail). So let us know how it go wid de hos, bro, just be transparent about assumptions re hurdle rates, CAPM betas etc.
[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1303623]Please note: during swimming in the pool at Artemis you might get dizzy cause you have to swim in circles.[/QUOTE]LOL. Didn't mean to interrupt your chlamydia induced reverie with the number crunching. I noticed that when I wrote it out, it seems utterly clear, but somehow it got all jumbled when it was filtered through the prism of your keen mind and into your quote.
It's actually a worthwhile point being made as it debunks the oft repeated opinion that it's more expensive to monger in Zurich than in Germany, and demonstrates that isn't true as pertains to some Zurich venues.
Actually, I never entertained the idea of swimming at Artemis, primarily due to concerns as to hygiene. Who knows what has been spit or ejaculated or oozed into those waters.
Happy mongering whatever delights you.
LJ