Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2985187]1. Your despicable ilk always cite Ukrainian corruption as a reason to stop the US military aid. Talk to them.

2. If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Talk to Putin.

3. You're a Russophile who doesn't give 2 shits about Ukrainian lives. Talk to your priest or shrink or whoever you put in charge of your immortal soul.[/QUOTE]No, I'm a pacifist who believes peace is preferable to a war that kills and maims hundreds of thousands. What are you? Would you prefer a nuclear war that kills millions to peace in Ukraine? Please feel free to talk to your priest or shrink about that.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2985532]No, I'm a pacifist who believes peace is preferable to a war that kills and maims hundreds of thousands. What are you? Would you prefer a nuclear war that kills millions to peace in Ukraine? Please feel free to talk to your priest or shrink about that.[/QUOTE]For sure, peace is better than war, but Putin attacked and Ukrainians don t want to be robbed lands by Putin and values by shameful liar Trump. Only Ukrainians can decide, and Europe will support them, when Europe gave more money to Ukraine than USA, whatever Trump lies and bullshitings, or maybe too senile dangerous?

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2985307]I like it. Never been a friend of the Americans, after having worked there for about 3 years in summary, blaming them just to be friendly with the mouth.

I feel confirmed now in my opinion by the POTUS himself.

America loosing any trust in Europe.

Actually, for me the "deal" between Trump and Putin looks a bit like the deal, Hitler had with Stalin, regarding Poland.[/QUOTE]Correct. Plus the Munich "deal" delivering Czechoslovakia to the Nazis. This Trump-Putin pact is a 2-for-1 deal.

America is losing trust of millions of Americans too, right now. I can only imagine the glow on Putin's mug. He couldn't have dreamed of royal gifts like this one just a few months ago.

Europe, however, is not immune to fascism. I wish it weren't the case, but cowardice and cynicism are not US inventions.

While the position of the RF is no foreign intervention and no ceasefire until the peace treaty is signed, I already can tell you how it would end:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXPR3Y465lA[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2985584]Correct. Plus the Munich "deal" delivering Czechoslovakia to the Nazis. This Trump-Putin pact is a 2-for-1 deal.

America is losing trust of millions of Americans too, right now. I can only imagine the glow on Putin's mug. He couldn't have dreamed of royal gifts like this one just a few months ago.

Europe, however, is not immune to fascism. I wish it weren't the case, but cowardice and cynicism are not US inventions.[/QUOTE]Putin hold Trump balls in his hand, with photos of with prostitutes party in Moscow and Trump wants to rob poor weak Ukraine. Such shame for USA which are really not great again. USA really had to be no brained to elect such shameful, when Putin fucked his elections, when Zelensky is legal, according to Ukrainian constitution, when Trump fucked USA constitution and capitol.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2985307]Actually, for me the "deal" between Trump and Putin looks a bit like the deal, Hitler had with Stalin, regarding Poland.[/QUOTE]That is pretty funny because I have read the Polish army is so good right now that in a conventional war they could be on the outskirts of Moscow in a matter of weeks. Their army is bigger than that of Germany and France.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2985307]America loosing any trust in Europe.[/QUOTE]I think it is fair to say that is true only of Western Europe, and I would say the feeling is likewise. Your Eurocrat nannies disregarded the Romanian elections because you did not like the result. You are saying Ukraine could not have fair elections because of Russian interference when in reality, it might just be that the result ends up like the one in Romania and might be one you Western Europeans just do not like.

You used censorship to try to reign in the AFD party in Germany which also was stronger in the Eastern part of Europe and in fact censorship in Western Europe now is the rage. It makes me wonder why is it that Eastern Europe, which was under the thumb of the old USSR, is so much more tolerant of Russia than Western Europe. If Putin was the threat he was made out to be, that seems like it should be the opposite.

Trump signed a deal that was good for Russia and the USA. Maybe it will be good for Ukraine too. We do not have the terms. But yeah, given the USA paid the most in this war to save your bacon, Trump did not think it necessary to cut the Europeans in on the deal.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2985307]Never been a friend of the Americans, after having worked there for about 3 years in summary, blaming them just to be friendly with the mouth.[/QUOTE]Well, that is good. In fact, it is all the more reason to pull out of NATO. The reason given for NATO's existence is that it has kept the peace in Europe the last 80 years. At this point, I think NATO is more likely to cause wars than to stop them, and you guys are not paying your fair share anyway. I am tired of our paying for peace while you Europeans take your 6 week vacations.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2985532]No, I'm a pacifist who believes peace is preferable to a war that kills and maims hundreds of thousands. What are you? Would you prefer a nuclear war that kills millions to peace in Ukraine? Please feel free to talk to your priest or shrink about that.[/QUOTE]You're a wishy-washy. You're willing to capitulate to a tyrant and give him the lands, the country AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. You don't own Ukraine and this is not your decision.

Second:

- Putin is bluffing, and yes, he's much better at it than us, it seems.

- Russia is not the only country with nukes. Our response will END their country, and they're well aware of that.

- Putin and his entourage are not mad (enough) to commit a murder-suicide.

- They're crooks and sybarites who love their lives and uber-luxurious lifestyles too much.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2985673]Putin hold Trump balls in his hand, with photos of with prostitutes party in Moscow and Trump wants to rob poor weak Ukraine. Such shame for USA which are really not great again. USA really had to be no brained to elect such shameful, when Putin fucked his elections, when Zelensky is legal, according to Ukrainian constitution, when Trump fucked USA constitution and capitol.[/QUOTE]You're being simplistic as always. Remind me what party just came second in Germany? What party got over 30% in France. What parties are ruling Hungary and Slovakia? Like I said before, fascism is not exactly an American invention; Europe has been flirting with fascism for at least 2 decades and your establishment politicians still have no idea what to do with it.

That said, Trump is very "special", I'll give you that.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2985781] But yeah, given the USA paid the most in this war to save your bacon, Trump did not think it necessary to cut the Europeans in on the deal.
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First of all, Trumpis usual lie, about "500 billion".

Second, USAs investment is only marginally higher than Europes, about 5% higher, or 4 Billion.

Third, Denmark, Estonia and Norway having committed the most aid relative to their total economic output.

Fourth, hasn't the USA some type of obligation, because of the Budapest memorandum? Or is it, that USA does not care about any agreements.

Unless it is to advantage of "Gods own country" ?

Probably I better need to clarify Trumps+Putins deals similarity to Adolf+Josefs deal regarding a third country, also for lower educated individuals, like Trumpists.

Anyway, looks like only one solution: UA will have to regain nuclear weapons. Should not be too difficult for them. Might even have an advantage for complete Europe.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2985804]

- Russia is not the only country with nukes. Our response will END their country, and they're well aware of that.

-.[/QUOTE]It's called MAD (mutually assured destruction), dumbass. The whole world will get destroyed, including you.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2985860]It's called MAD (mutually assured destruction), dumbass. The whole world will get destroyed, including you.[/QUOTE]So is this going to prevent Putin from starting the nuclear war? Or do you believe that Putin is ready to do the world in -- himself and Russia including?

Now don't be shy.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2985804]You're a wishy-washy. You're willing to capitulate to a tyrant and give him the lands, the country AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. You don't own Ukraine and this is not your decision.

Second:

- Putin is bluffing, and yes, he's much better at it than us, it seems.

- Russia is not the only country with nukes. Our response will END their country, and they're well aware of that.

- Putin and his entourage are not mad (enough) to commit a murder-suicide.

- They're crooks and sybarites who love their lives and uber-luxurious lifestyles too much.[/QUOTE]That's not true. I believe all would be best served to negotiate a treaty that leaves borders along the current lines of control. Arguably that leaves the majority of THE PEOPLE where they want to be. Or at least some of the polling, done by western and Ukrainian organizations, indicates a majority of the inhabitants of Crimea post 2014, and the parts of Donbas controlled by militias pre 2022, would prefer being part of Russia over Ukraine.

One poll though was more telling. People were given three choices, something like affiliate with Ukraine; affiliate with Russia; or I don't give a damn, all I want is to live peacefully and get a decent pension. The third option was the most popular. The farther east you go, the more common that attitude is.

I'm not sure what the point is in drawing this out, [B]to the last Ukrainian.[/B].

So if you were Trump or Macron or whoever, would you be willing to risk one billion lives based on your four assumptions? That's a rhetorical question. I already know the answer is yes.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2985781]That is pretty funny because I have read the Polish army is so good right now that in a conventional war they could be on the outskirts of Moscow in a matter of weeks. Their army is bigger than that of Germany and France.[/QUOTE]It'll never happen but it'd be interesting to wonder what might happen if Poland chose to "invade" Ukraine, all the way up to Ukraine's 2014 borders. Could they "take over" Ukraine entirely, defeating all the Russians inside, then "surrender" to Ukraine and withdraw? If need be, they could "occupy" Ukraine for some years to provide peace and stability to let Ukraine rebuild.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2985905]It'll never happen but it'd be interesting to wonder what might happen if Poland chose to "invade" Ukraine, all the way up to Ukraine's 2014 borders. Could they "take over" Ukraine entirely, defeating all the Russians inside, then "surrender" to Ukraine and withdraw? If need be, they could "occupy" Ukraine for some years to provide peace and stability to let Ukraine rebuild.[/QUOTE]I meant that Poland comes to the side of Ukraine and goes to war with Russia. It is interesting though you do not hear the Polish side very much in this conflict. Given they are on the border of Ukraine and have the largest military in Europe, you would think they would be louder than anyone. Well, there is a reason for that.

I had to dig a bit to get into the Polish perspective. There is animosity between Ukraine and Poland over a massacre of Poles during WW 2, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Donald Tusk reach agreement on massacre of up to 100,000 Poles by Ukrainian nationalists, [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/16/poland-hails-breakthrough-with-ukraine-over-second-world-war-volhynia-atrocity[/URL].

That made me think that the reason we do not hear the Polish perspective is that it does not line up with the Western Press, and I finally found an article where a journalist talked to the Polish people.

[URL]https://theconversation.com/why-many-poles-are-not-as-supportive-of-ukraines-war-effort-as-their-leaders-in-warsaw-240562[/URL]

Observers in the west take it for granted that the pro-Ukrainian policies of successive Polish governments endorsed by the Catholic churches reflect views shared by citizens throughout the country.

But after more than two years of war, as I found during a recent research trip, doubts are being voiced in some segments of society. Farmers have been angry for years. Ukraine has rich soils and its agribusiness is free from EU regulations. Ukraine has been allowed to export its cheap grain to the EU. This has undermined the market for Polish farmers.

I also heard in plenty of conversations that Poland is the only ally of Ukraine to provide military hardware free of charge whereas other Nato states insist on full payment or offer credits that will theoretically have to be repaid one day.

Why do I have to wait months for my hospital appointment, people ask is it because of increased demand for health services from the millions of Ukrainian refugees? Why should my taxes pay for generous financial grants to Ukrainians who turn up at the border, claim the cash, and promptly return home?

Those who complain and exaggerate isolated abuses are often written off as gullible victims of Russian propaganda. But Poles are unlikely dupes. Monuments to communist crimes are everywhere.

Yet hatred of Russia does not translate into unconditional support for Ukraine. Ukrainian ministers have the undiplomatic habit of pointing out that large areas of present-day Poland were formerly occupied by Ukrainians.

During my recent visit, I was sometimes asked why the BBC and other influential western media never probed behind the slick public face of Volodymyr Zelensky's team to report on the real conditions and opinions of ordinary Ukrainians. Instead, Russians are demonised and Ukrainians hailed for their "European values" and their sacrifices on behalf of the west.

Coverage in Polish state media conveys a similar message but I found many citizens have become sceptical.

Often, the conversation turned to Boris Johnson. I was asked to explain why the then prime minister advised Zelensky in April 2022 that Ukraine should continue the fighting. Did Johnson, as has often been rumoured, sabotage proposals for a negotiated peace carefully drawn up in Istanbul shortly before his visit? Did he not care at all about the hundreds of thousands who would suffer and die if this war continued? Was he pursuing a devious strategy agreed with EU leaders and Nato partners, above all Washington?

I did not have answers to any of these questions. End of link.

So I think it is pretty clear why we are not hearing the Polish perspective. They are bearing a huge brunt of the Ukrainian refugee problem and want the war to stop because of that. They also do not fit into the Ukraine is good narrative that the Western press is pushing. And they have only been asking, hey, why do you guys in the West want this war so damned much?

Well, I think the answer is in the fact that only Poland is giving away free military hardware. If the Western military were really concerned about the second coming of Hitler, they would not care so much about the money. That they do tells me what I have always suspected: this war is a racket!

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2985900]That's not true. I believe all would be best served to negotiate a treaty that leaves borders along the current lines of control. Arguably that leaves the majority of THE PEOPLE where they want to be. Or at least some of the polling, done by western and Ukrainian organizations, indicates a majority of the inhabitants of Crimea post 2014, and the parts of Donbas controlled by militias pre 2022, would prefer being part of Russia over Ukraine.

One poll though was more telling. People were given three choices, something like affiliate with Ukraine; affiliate with Russia; or I don't give a damn, all I want is to live peacefully and get a decent pension. The third option was the most popular. The farther east you go, the more common that attitude is.

I'm not sure what the point is in drawing this out, [B]to the last Ukrainian.[/B].

So if you were Trump or Macron or whoever, would you be willing to risk one billion lives based on your four assumptions? That's a rhetorical question. I already know the answer is yes.[/QUOTE]1. What treaty? Trump is not only refusing to provide any security guarantees but even intelligence data and logistical support for our allies. Europe is saying it would be unable to provide security without our cooperation. You want Ukraine to agree to another pointless Budapest memorandum?

2. a) I know that Ukraine polls for you is like Ave Maria, but enough with that nonsense already. We wouldn't allow Texas to secede no matter what the damn polls would say.

B) Whatever some of them felt toward Russia before the full-scale war is now gone. Who do you think is getting bombed and killed? What cities are getting destroyed? The ethnic Russians. Did you see the photos of the predominantly Russian-speaking city of Mariupol? Get out of your comfort zone and see some videos. What did they do (and keep doing) with Kharkov? Hell, forget Ukraine and look at their indiscriminate bombings of their own Kursk Oblast! Fuck, that is RUSSIA proper, and they don't give a fuck.

3. I'm being more realistic than you, no matter how prudent you might appear. Russia will ALWAYS have nuclear weapons. Your attitude will not resolve the danger; it will only move it down the line. Only next time, they'll KNOW they can bluff their way out of anything.

If Biden and European governments haven't been scaredy cats and given Ukraine everything it needed promptly, this war would've been over by now with a real, long-lasting treaty that would include security guarantees, and Putin wouldn't be walking around today with that smug grin on his mug.