Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2043220]I have never had a Baccara girl ask for that much. 8 K? That's crazy money. Maybe you misheard what she said or maybe her English wasn't very good and she misspoke. Or are you in the Indian, Arabic, or Black guy category?[/QUOTE]It was not a misunderstanding. She said 8 k which did not even include the barfine (as you might imagine I made sure I heard correctly). Nope, I'm a reasonably attractive young Asian so it is frankly a shocker on both the price and decline. This was around 8 pm on a Friday night so maybe she thought she could make more doing two STs or had a high-roller regular coming in. To be fair, she was incredibly beautiful and I would have been willing to pay 8 k. Don't begrudge her at all because she should be trying to make as money as possible as quickly as possible. The point on time and day of the week is important because I was in Baccara that prior Tuesday and was hearing prices closer to 5 k for LT.

Luckily this is Bangkok so you don't take it personally and move on the next minute. Ended up spreading the 8 k on drinks at Nana where I barfined a girl at BillBoard ST + later a FL from MIXX later in the evening.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2043220]I have never had a Baccara girl ask for that much. 8 K? That's crazy money. Maybe you misheard what she said or maybe her English wasn't very good and she misspoke. Or are you in the Indian, Arabic, or Black guy category?[/QUOTE]I'm a black guy and I've never been quoted that much by a Baccara girl. Hell 6 K is the most I've ever been quoted.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2042263]I would love to know how much you guys take when venturing out. I take between 8 and 10 k, if more and I have a little too much grape or grain it can quickly vanish but less I feel limits my choices.[/QUOTE]I have found 10-12 K THB to be sufficient for an evening out in almost all the cases and this would also include drinks and food in moderation. Although, I have to say that if a person were to splurge on expensive drinks etc. Then this amount would seem paltry.

[QUOTE=CoolDudeB;2042679]I know an awesome place in panyu, Guanzhou. Was the most "shocking" experience of my life. Since you mentioned you we're going to China. Thought I do share he good place with you. If you need the address PM.[/QUOTE]China is only work no mongering. Have reserved all the mongering for Thailand.

Thanks for the offer buddy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2042315]A tough one. Girls have been burned before by guys failing to pay the agreed amount, certain countries possibly have worse reputation. Guys have been burned by girls failing to deliver what they are supposed to after getting the money already.

I have met bar girls admitting to having done a runner when an opportunity arose (but not with me).

I always start with ST till an element of trust develops. However I have never paid a girl in advance at my Hotel. I don't take LTs with unknown girls. They can turn into a dick scared star fish very rapidly.

It pays to monger in a place where you have developed a good reputation, such as bars.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you. But I usually stay only for a maximum of 4 days in BKK out of which 2 nights am on duty with my business partners. How do I build a reputation in such a short time. Anyhow have taken some line ids lets see how that works out now.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2042500]3000-3500 LT is a fairly standard median price in BKK for bar FLers so if she was a true hottie than that's actually a good price. So as far as pointers, I suggest you get a better handle on the going rates because in this case, scoffing at the price (+ 'people of your skin') probably made her feel like you were going to stiff her on the rate which is why she demanded payment up front. If you want to go the whole 'pay purely based on performance' with FLers you better off just avoiding the discussion of money all together and act dumb after the fact. You will open yourself up to a potentially irate lady and drama that may not be worth the experience but if your only goal is to get off with a hot women and not pay her going rate than that's a risk you'll have to take.[/QUOTE]I never scoffed at the price. I have paid 5 k to a FL off Tonys disco in Pattaya and still felt that I paid less. It was the way the money was asked coupled with the fact that I was just recently bitten which made me think.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2043220]I have never had a Baccara girl ask for that much. 8 K? That's crazy money. Maybe you misheard what she said or maybe her English wasn't very good and she misspoke. Or are you in the Indian, Arabic, or Black guy category?[/QUOTE]I doubt he misheard, and may have little to do with his nationality. It is quite possible he picked out one of the very top girls. A top girl in Bacarra could get three 30 minute ST Japanese customers on a good night like a Friday (for example) and make 9 K+ easily from that, so why on earth would she want to go for LT at all unless the price was very high? It is not a buyer's market when we talk about top most popular Baccarra girls.

Sure you might not want to meet her high offer, so crazy to you. I only have one regular LT girl, and she is way cheaper than that, plus a really excellent fuck guaranteed, so we have no reason to take these 8 K offers. However it could be a bargain for some guys previously paying to take an Escort all night.

I have to laugh when guys talk about 3 to 3. 5 K LTs. Sure it is possible somewhere, but top girls in the popular bars like Baccara are not going to be interested in that sort of money at all. They get 3 K easily for a very short ST booking. I don't condone. It may well be ridiculous, but it is reality. The best looking girls control the market prices.

I am well aware also that the girls do not all charge the same prices. There are fat uglies in Crazy House that do the shows, to try to get some money, and I am sure they would go much cheaper that the pretty girls with great bodies. I don't even know what they go for. It is not polite in Thailand to ask the price of something that you don't want to buy.

I had a girl from Twisters some time back that only priced herself at 2 K ST. However she was under peer pressure to try to get 3 K by peers that might not even be to her standard of looks, by my eye, which maybe very different to the Japanese customers. Some of the girls making 3 K look ugly to me. Just personal taste.

I could do LT with Oom, or Jane, my Crazy House girls, since I know them very very well now, but I would likely only want to do it for a price advantageous to both parties, and probably privately without the need to visit CH at all.

Personally I just don't believe in LT without knowing the girl real well, any more, and many girls are not even into LT at all really. It is so different to 25 years ago when most Cowboy gogo girls and Thermae girls always went for LT, and the price was like 500 for the night. Strangely I hardly met dick scared girls in those days. I guess almost all of the girls that I was meeting were well accustomed to Farangs. Very few Japanese in the customer competition.

I have taken Baccara girls all night for way less than 8K but was a few years ago now, and a girl that was all natural at the time (later got a tit job), so I don't remember what I paid, but I am sure it was at least 4K. Even back then, she told me that the top Bacarra girls do several STs per night and typically are not wanting any LTs. When she pointed out the top girls, I did not think they were pretty at all for my taste. Obviously Japanese Spec.

I am down to about 1 bar visit per week now, and hope to reduce it further. However I still have an addiction for sleek naked girls, with beautiful shaved pussy. Looking or having one bouncing around on my lap is still nice. Just touching the sleek naked flesh still works for me. I am not so much into pornstar services like some others, and take anal very rarely indeed.

The line up was quite reasonable, with one favourite Jun (rhymes with fun) present. No. 93 maybe? Has put on a little weight. Still slim but not Keira Knightly like skinny at the moment. She doesn't seem to weigh that much sitting on my lap. She is 27 and has a baby long ago but stretch marks are very minor indeed, pussy stunning and quite tight enough for me. She used to have farang BF so likes big cock. No danger of a dick scared starfish. Oom not present.

Other girls known were not that many: Noi (63), Boom (28), Uiy (tall skinny), Naen has returned (never tried her due to perhaps a bit much pussy hair but a nice and popular girl), Ice (highly painted and pierced. Also never tried). A couple of other unknown newer girls were to my spec but did not meet them yet. Plenty of non surgeries girls.

Strangely I bumped into Jane (No. 4) sitting outside the Seven11 store chatting to her friend (ex CH). Neither of them seemed to have worked so strange they met up so close to CH. If I had not done Jun already, I might have propositioned Jane. Even clothed, she appealed to me, since I know her body is nice despite flat chest.

If anyone is out for action tonight in sukhamit Sou Cowboy Nana areas, PM me and let's meet up and party.

So yes, this was my first trip to Soi cowboy. Should have gone there before during my this trip.

- they started quoting 10 k and then 5 k and were not ready to budge. Dint find it worth 5 k + barfine. Plus the hotel wasn't that gal friendly. Which sucked. Dint help to change my hotel.

- yes they were majority coyotes, who line up outside of the bars.

- went inside two of them, but dint like any gals. Surprisingly both dint have strip dances. Only gals on the stage dancing. But probably they were just the wrong places to head to!

- with fee guys and so many of them outside, it did seem that the business is slow. I am a newbie here, but the seniors are more better to predict hows the general scene going on.

- plus my general feeling was, going in a group or with a buddy is more easier. It's easy to talk it out and negotiate.

- I may also be wrong but being a south east Asian as well dint help much. 2 gals I liked dint even revert back after much coaxing.

Let's hope I can make my final night in BKK worth calling!

Phuket is next destination, any valuable advice is welcome.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2043205]A few questions for clarification:

- Was their asking price of 5 K baht + barfine for LT or for ST?
- Did you counter with 3-4 K and they did not budge or did you just walk away with no counter offer after they said 5 K?
- Are you mostly talking about the Coyotes who line up outside of the Soi Cowboy bars or was that same price quoted for the real go-go girls working on the stage inside the bars, too?

If the opening quote of 5K + barfine was for LT at 1AM and coming from the Coyotes that line up outside the Soi Cowboy bars, then not much has changed at all over the past couple of years. That would be fairly normal opening quotes from some of those girls, if they quote any price at all. Actually, if all of those Coyote girls were quoting at least SOME amount of baht to take them for LT at 1AM then that speaks to how slow business is these days and in need of money they are in that they are at least willing to go with a customer for sex at all.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NRock;2043085]On a recent trip to Baccara early on a Friday night, I picked out a stunner and after buying her an LD indicated her price was 8 k LT. Thought that was incredibly steep but decided so splurge and agreed. Even after I said yes to 8 k, she actually thought about it for 5 minutes and ultimately declined to wait for Japanese customers. Maybe thought she could make more?

I assume the girls on the 2nd / 3rd floors who are considered the be-team, are significantly cheaper.[/QUOTE]This is a girl's way of telling you she does not want to go with you for LT. She may have been perfectly willing to go for ST at 2-3 K but could not LT. She most definatly quoted that 8 K expecting you to say no. When hearing the yes, she did not know what to do. Most of these girls have Thai boyfriends or Japanese or western sponsors. If they go LT, they risk their money train drying up or their boufriend finding out about their job. Often the Thai boyfriends or Tom Boys know and restrict their ladies from LT. LT has the potential of producing feelings that may form into a relationship for the bar girl. If you don't believe me, I have a CH girl that won't leave me alone. She's on her way back to BKK now and wants to see me outside the bar. On the other hand, it could be because of your nationality and she may not have liked you.

As for the girls on the second floor, there are some stunners up their top and their prices are the same as the girls downstairs. If fact, their have naked bodies in their Thai school girl outfits, often bring more money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2043205]A few questions for clarification:

- Was their asking price of 5 K baht + barfine for LT or for ST?
- Did you counter with 3-4 K and they did not budge or did you just walk away with no counter offer after they said 5 K?
- Are you mostly talking about the Coyotes who line up outside of the Soi Cowboy bars or was that same price quoted for the real go-go girls working on the stage inside the bars, too?

If the opening quote of 5K + barfine was for LT at 1AM and coming from the Coyotes that line up outside the Soi Cowboy bars, then not much has changed at all over the past couple of years. That would be fairly normal opening quotes from some of those girls, if they quote any price at all. Actually, if all of those Coyote girls were quoting at least SOME amount of baht to take them for LT at 1AM then that speaks to how slow business is these days and in need of money they are in that they are at least willing to go with a customer for sex at all.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nothing has changed. 5 K is often an opening quote for LT. The lady wants to make sure that if she goes out, she will get paid. Even at 1 AM using Asok place. The lady can do 2 STs and get 5-6 K out of that and she does not need to spend the night in your hotel. Even if the lady is not one of the coyotes workimg outside the bar, she will start with 5 K LT when quoting. What she gets is sometimes a different story.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2043365]This is a girl's way of telling you she does not want to go with you for LT. She may have been perfectly willing to go for ST at 2-3 K but could not LT. She most definatly quoted that 8 K expecting you to say no. When hearing the yes, she did not know what to do. Most of these girls have Thai boyfriends or Japanese or western sponsors. If they go LT, they risk their money train drying up or their boufriend finding out about their job. Often the Thai boyfriends or Tom Boys know and restrict their ladies from LT. LT has the potential of producing feelings that may form into a relationship for the bar girl. If you don't believe me, I have a CH girl that won't leave me alone. She's on her way back to BKK now and wants to see me outside the bar. On the other hand, it could be because of your nationality and she may not have liked you.

As for the girls on the second floor, there are some stunners up their top and their prices are the same as the girls downstairs. If fact, their have naked bodies in their Thai school girl outfits, often bring more money.[/QUOTE]You make some good points. I really think the most popular girls won't want to do LT at all. Just no incentive unless the money is ridiculously high. In the end they want to make a lot, and as easily as possible, even if they are permitted to do LT.

I doubt that top Bacarra girls will go for 2 K ST, however I don't know for sure as the "top" popular girls are never my taste. In Crazy House, I once saw my girl Oom go through a protracted negotiation of price with some Farang guy for well nigh of 30 minutes. I could not hear, but the girl was always motioning to go a bit higher. This was before I ever went with this girl myself, and she was rather young in the CH early days. I would have loved to hear what his top offer was, and what she went down to. I am suspecting he was offering like 1. 5 to 2 K and there was just no way she was going to accept that. I don't think the deal ever got done, that part is hazy in my memory but I rarely saw a negotiation go for such a long time and was occurring while she was dancing on the stage as well. I don't know about others, but I just can't be bothered, and such long negotiation would likely kill my mood. If a girl asks too much, I might state my maximum and if she doesn't take it or make a better offer, I would likely give it a miss myself.

[QUOTE=InterTravel224;2043097]Today after having a non action at Club 107, I decided to check Sow Coi. Each and every club gal was wanted 5K bath + bar fine. Very ridiculous pricing.

Even at 1.00 AM they were not ready to bring down their pricing. It wasn't that busy, wondering what's changing.[/QUOTE]When the business is slack they raise their prices. That is Thai business model for you. Ridiculous but it is a fact.

Hi gents,

I don't normally travel to LOS during the wet season so am quite stumped on how to find the FL outside of Gogo bars and clubs.

As I'm getting on in my years, would rather find a friend by 10 pm, ST, and be happily sleeping by midnight.

Long gone are the days when I enjoyed staying out till 5 am and getting plastered.

Currently staying on Suk Soi 13. Are all the massage girls readily brought back?

Cheers.