Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Christopherd]With all respect mate, who exactly is this 'we' that you speak of? Most people don't, simply because they don't know any. They talk about BA85 and so on ad infinitum, and maybe branch out to a Rio Branco casa once they figure the elevators, but wouldn't know a [b]new[/b] casa if the pantie elastic was free in O Globo. Then there's casas in Copa, for instance (tourist central) that change address quite frequently, and where taking the tourist money could be called a hazard of the business they're in.

There are always people who will misuse information. I'm sure your post was well meant, but as I've said before, I'm very opposed to anyone telling anyone else what to do, or speaking on behalf of the tens of thousands ISG forum members. If anyone says 'we,' please [I]count me out[/I]. No-one speaks on my behalf and, as far as ISG goes, from a practical as well as an official point of view, only Jackson makes rules. It's one thing to say you don't personally agree with certain information being made available. It's something entirely different IMHO to say others should agree with you or suggest they do.

Each poster makes his (or occasionally her) own decision on what information to post and how. I am very much looking forward to your extensive list by PM of hitherto unmentioned casas. ;)[/QUOTE]I did not mention rule making, only suggestions. Like you've never made a suggestion on ISG. Nothing personal intended.

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]The forum is for exchanging info, but the RB casas should have a different standard than termas as far who gets the addresses... The RB casa addresses should be more sacred so such a scene does not force casas to go out of business.[/QUOTE]
I get your point, but I hope loud gringo-hords in RB-casas are rare. It's very few times that I've met other gringos when going to the Centro casas, exception is BA 85.

The RB-casas are aware of the need to run their business with caution. They never open the door without checking the spy-hole/take a look in their camera. If they don't like what they see they will not open.
The RB-buildings have cameras monitoring all floors, and security downstairs. That could be helpful if visitors don't behave well.

"So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore..." There are already so few members posting info on new casas. Creating that new rule would result in even less reports of new casas.

[QUOTE=Sperto]I get your point, but I hope loud gringo-hords in RB-casas are rare. It's very few times that I've met other gringos when going to the Centro casas, exception is BA 85.

The RB-casas are aware of the need to run their business with caution. They never open the door without checking the spy-hole/take a look in their camera. If they don't like what they see they will not open.
The RB-buildings have cameras monitoring all floors, and security downstairs. That could be helpful if visitors don't behave well.

"So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore..." There are already so few members posting info on new casas. Creating that new rule would result in even less reports of new casas.[/QUOTE]

Except for BA85, the centro casas don't give the 'loud gringos' (or other loud, partying types) what they are looking for. They want a party atmosphere, bar where they can hang out, socialize, drink, BS with the girls, etc. The downtown places are about quick in and out, so to speak. And anyway, by the time the tourists get going for the day, it is getting late for the centro places. Haha. The facts speak for themselves. The info has been out there for a long time and there is no problem that I can see.

On the other hand, for those that are in centro and who enjoy this convenience, the updates are much appreciated. Otherwise, you have to walk around and hope some kid puts the right slip of paper in your hand because this is the only way to find them.

So, IMHO, thanks to Sperto and others and please continue. I would gladly add info but I have not found anything new. I did report once on one of the RB 156 casas being shut. Also, thought I had found a new one on Senador Dantas, but no, already on the list.

So, with all due respect, let's skip the elitist stuff. Eveyone will use this board to their benefit and if someone winds up in the wrong place for them, that will self correct. Either they will learn to fit in or they won't come back.

Just my point of view.

i have not seen a loud gringo in a centro casa in over 2 weeks. there is no way that anybody should be trying to make it seem gringos are all over centro. most go to 4x4 and that is it.

in fact, few want to go to the centro, cheap casas anyway. also, most gringos who go to rio do not read this forum anyway, nor do those who do read it, do so religiously, so the chances of them reading the forum and noticing sperto's casa update is almost 0%.

most could care less anyway.

so those of you who want to keep your cheap casas to yourselves quit worrying about gringos.

when i am in the casas i notice that the brazilians are extremely loud and that is a fact.

i noticed two white guys, i think from germany based on their speech, and how they enjoyed the loud banter of the girls in the casa i was in. now how some gringos could come in there and be louder i do not know. my guess is that you all focus on gringos, stare at them and then you hear every word.

quit worrying about gringos and you will not see them. there are so few in rio now, it is really ridiculous to hear guys talking about how they are going to stop posting information so gringos can't get it. trust me i think some of you are exxagerating your importance to the rio sex scene!

and how do these guys rationalize their comments: "well, i will hide information so that loud gringos will not find out and then come to the casa and get it shut down by talking loud and dressing down because they do not know to dress up in a certain casa! "lol! lol!

these same guys would come on this forum and laugh at a gringo who gets dressed up and then gets robbed in centro. those few gringos who go to the rb casas are not poorly dressed but just not in the garb of the clients. we are still richer than most brazilians by far. no big deal.

worry about the brazilians breaking laws or not paying off the right people more than gringos people.

what about last year when they had all of those raids? why don't you all worry about that happening again rather than gringos?
actually, i know why!

tj

back in 2004 or 2005 or so Brazil Specialist first posted a rundown on the centro casas. A few of us used the information but there was no deluge of gringos in centro.

To most gringos going to centro is just not worth it. The numbers are increasing but that is from 0%! LOL.
And this increase is because of the metro system not any information from this forum that most visitors to Rio will never read anyway.

Any guy willing to read this forum is probably not the type to go into a casa acting crazy. And there is not reason to suspect gringos are worse than the average Brazilian.

Here is the logic: Since there are few Gringos going to these casas then the rules to exclude people are aimed at BRAZILIANS NOT GRINGOS.

SOme members of this site are concerned about gringos but that is a misplaced concern caused by factors unrelated to the reality of the situation.



TJ

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore and move on from this subject and the flaming.[/QUOTE]
I am not flaming. There are just few gringos in centro casas. So our focus on the actions of a few of the few who might cause problems needs discussion. People can read these posts and begin to believe there are gringos all over centro getting in trouble and that is 100% incorrect. It is not flaming to try to make sure the correct perspective is found on this forum.

Even if evrery single other member posted about gringos being loud in centro, I would still post a correction.

AGain, I have not seen another gringo in a centro casa in two weeks and I am in them all day. And I know this is true because a girl just said I am always in here a few hours ago!

TJ

[QUOTE=TJ Fannatic]
And how do these guys rationalize their comments: "Well, i will hide information so that loud gringos will not find out and then come to the casa and get it shut down by talking loud and dressing down because they do not know to dress up in a certain casa! "LOL! LOL!

These same guys would come on this forum and laugh at a gringo who gets dressed up and then gets robbed in centro. Those few gringos who go to the RB casas are not poorly dressed but just not in the garb of the clients. We are still richer than most Brazilians by far. No big deal.

Worry about the Brazilians breaking laws or not paying off the right people more than gringos people.

What about last year when they had all of those raids? Why don't you all worry about that happening again rather than gringos?
Actually, I know why!

TJ[/QUOTE]

There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.

One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.

It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.

I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.

One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.

It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.

I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).[/QUOTE]The lawyers are in their getting their rocks off too.

Thats why.

[QUOTE=TJ]So those of you who want to keep your cheap casas to yourselves quit worrying about gringos.

TJ[/QUOTE]12 millions tourists a year in Paris, France.

4 millions "gringos" a year all over Brazil (including os hermanos argentinos)... I believe 50% of this number travel only for NYE and Carnival.

Rio is changing out of all recognition, as many punters have observed. The metro tickets for one thing. And the other big change, probably the only big change that I can say truly affects me, is that[I] I can no longer really afford/justify those beautiful Mr Cat shoes. :D[/I]

[QUOTE=Urcarioca]4 millions "gringos" a year all over Brazil (including os hermanos argentinos)...
12 millions tourists a year in Paris, France[/QUOTE]
According to the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) about 7.2 millions inbound tourists have visited Brasil in 2008, which is an average of almost 20 000 arrivals/day (about the equivalent of 55 Boeing 767 full packed).

Anyhow FYI, France is world's top tourist destination, with some 82 millions inbound tourists arrival in 2008, whose about 50 millions have visited Paris (and region).

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.

One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.

It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.

I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).[/QUOTE]

OK, guys, I'll volunteer to be hall monitor. Anybody who gets out of line at a centro casa will hear from me, at least if I'm there. Seriously, BS has a point. These places come and go anyway, to some extent. Probably sometimes it's because of neighbors complaints. So, it could happen that somebody who doesn't know the scene acts up (gringo or not). But I expect it would take some consistent bad behavior for this to result in a closure. Even so, probably the authorities wouldn't get involved -- probably the landlord would just kick them out. Even if this did happen, I don't expect it would cause a sweep of casa closures. That would make everybody very unhappy, cops included as I am sure that some of them are good customers.

I guess they would make an example of one place and that would be it. Back to business as usual. But as I said, those addresses have been out there for years and none of us have seen a problem.

Enough of that, how about what is going on? Wednesday, I decided to order in so I called karla models and was pleasantly surprised with Fernanda. Not quite as made up as in the photos, but truth in advertising. Only one complaint, the R120 gets significantly increased by the taxi which she insisted on. Still, very high quality and a at cost less than the upper tier termas. A relaxed 2 hours, no hassle. Not a bad way to spend a holiday Wednesday afternoon.

Prosal,
Perhaps the increase in tourism will not be so bad. I beleive the increase will only occur in specific areas. There will still be untapped markets in Brazil. Do not give up yet!

When I go to Mexico after a few months in Brazil, I often do not session with any women; the contrast is that stark!

Perhaps you will find another suitable destination; I too remember the good old says when tickets from the US were $400, and the dollar was 4 to 1! Apartments could be had for US$35-40/night! We were doing 4 Copa girls a day!

I am thinking of trying Bahia.

TJ

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.

One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.

It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.

I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).[/QUOTE]

Two things here:

1. How do you know what I am not aware of? That is a rude comment.

2. And, it makes little sense to say that "it seems most Brazilians have an idea how to behave." Then whom are the casas worried about? The gringos who might materialize one day?

No, they are worried about Brazilians, not gringos. We all know that in Rio they cannot even keep the gangs from invading homes in Copacanabana. Yet, on this forum, people act as if a gringo, who is probably purposely dressing down, is the THREAT of a lifetime!

The casas are afraid of other Brazilians coming to the casa and causing trouble.

Only on this forum are people concerned about gringos.


TJ

[QUOTE=TJ Fannatic]
... I am thinking of trying Bahia ...

TJ[/QUOTE]

Funny you should say that.
It seems that more often than not, when I meet a beautiful, sweet girl in Brasil, normally in Sao Paulo, she's says she from Bahia.
I've been thinking about a visit there myself :)