Warsaw

A few updates.

Especially on Friday night there were a few WGs sitting on the tables outside the casino, mostly middle aged and not very attractive though.

I also tried mero massage finally, if you are staying at Marriott it is just a few minutes away from the hotel.

I was greeted by two girls but been told there are about eight girls.

Clean place, nice massage, pretty girls, decent HJ, best 140 ziloty I spent in Warsaw so far.

[QUOTE=SaintSeiya;1693968]I will try to see see if any WG tonight in lobby bar / casino or 40th bar as well.[/QUOTE]

Thanks.

I had seen those WG outside the casino on Friday too, but yes, too mid aged for me so give it up!

On the next day call a girl from Odloty, but image is 50% fake! Ask for a BJ then close the deal!

On Sat night, I saw those mid aged WG also in the 40th floor bar! Asked for the price by curiosity that 700 zolt for 1 hour!

Hope they can have more business from others but definitely not by me, haha!

Left Poland already, will back in some months later!

[QUOTE=Bucheta;1695323]A few updates.

Especially on Friday night there were a few WGs sitting on the tables outside the casino, mostly middle aged and not very attractive though.

I also tried mero massage finally, if you are staying at Marriott it is just a few minutes away from the hotel.

I was greeted by two girls but been told there are about eight girls.

Clean place, nice massage, pretty girls, decent HJ, best 140 ziloty I spent in Warsaw so far.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CapriciousM;1692086] .... I came to the conclusion that I can only trust Garsoniera site ..... [/QUOTE]Last but not least it's only you in whom you can trust, because opions ot other board members, doesn't depend on which board you're using, are individual experiences. Some girls may be recommended, but that doesn't mean that you must have a super performance show when being there. Since I'm visiting German FKK clubs I know a good number of fellows. And there are some who will be fond of a girl. And when I already know that she will not be mine.

I always recommend: when having a some time to prepare your stay in Warsaw, scroll through the announcements on odloty, roksa. Make a re-check with garsoniera (I never used it within the last years) if you think it's worth, but better make a telephone call and a try going there. Xheck it out yourself. You spend 200-25 zlt / hour, that's ok. I know there are two women recommended asking for 350-400 zlt / hour. It's above average, but depends whereever you are coming from. When being only some days in Warsaw don't save money in a wrong way.

[QUOTE=CapriciousM;1692086] .... but nothing arrived after 5 days!.... [/QUOTE]Patience.

No one directly responded to my previous questions about massages.

Another question. I have been trying to read garsoniera with not much success, but in some the massage reports I see the term FBG.

What is FBG?

Cheers.

Rick.

[QUOTE=DietCoke;1697105]No one directly responded to my previous questions about massages.

Another question. I have been trying to read garsoniera with not much success, but in some the massage reports I see the term FBG.

What is FBG?

Cheers.

Rick.[/QUOTE]That means francuski bez gumki it is OWO in english.

I find myself wondering why we are complaining about the unreliability of Odloty girls and ads on this thread. I was in Warsaw for three days myself last week, and had intended to spend most of my time at LMR parties, but sadly this is not how it turned out. Due to a severe lack of reservations, only a single LMR party actually happened, and that one party was all to the benefit of myself and a single other guest. That was also the only thing happening on my trip that didn't leave me completely blue balled.

I had compiled a list of leads on Odloty, based on favorable Garsoniera reviews. This is how it turned out.

First attempt was the ad of a red haired girl that I had saved from Odloty and written down the phone number for. As it were, the ad was deactivated and nobody picked up when I called. Fair enough.

Next was at an Odloty ad where the girl directed me to Chmielna 98. It was a bit of a hike to get there and by the time I finally found the apartment and pressed the bell, the girl announced over the intercom that she was busy but I could come back in 40 minutes. I decided not to.

Club Aisha is described on Garsoneira as the best establishment of it's kind and I decided to look into it. Essentially it is the kind of place where you show up, and the ladies working line up against the far wall of the room so you can make your choice. Beyond the general awkwardness of the situation, none of the girls looked particularly attractive, so I decided to run and call it a night.

Second day of my stay actually had a small LMR party, so I decided to count that as a win and call it a day while I was still ahead.

Third day I decided to look into a second club, this time on Nowagrodzka. Also a well known location on Garsoniera, but not as good a reputation. I went there on the off chance that they actually used real pictures in their ads, and there was a picture of a girl I really wanted to see. I found the place fairly easily, and the setup was much the same as Aisha. The three girls presented were of such an appearance that in all honesty they should have paid me to have sex with them; not the other way around. Neither of them knew the girl in the picture (which I had brought on my phone with me).

Finally I decided to try two more Odloty ads. The closest one was an address on Jana Pawla, and had a pleasant sounding girl picking up when I called. I went to the place and after a bit of struggling I found the correct door. I was let into the apartment by someone I assumed was a madam. Much to my dismay, it turned out she was the "girl" on offer. The description that pops to mind would be ogre. I tried to smile and showed her the picture from the ad, to which she replied "one moment" and took off. I waited for a few minutes and somebody else showed up. I realize that fake pics are in use. I realize they lie about age. I also realize that when I call the ad of a 20 year old redhead, and they try to fix me up with a 50 year old brunette, they're just insulting my intelligence. I left. By then I was so frustrated I just decided to leave the second as well enough alone and went out for dinner instead.

My reasoning here is that the unreliability of Odloty is by now a well established fact. Warsaw seems to be lacking the kind of mongering culture found in Germany and UK. The one place I have found to be reliable, lacks reliable business. I simply cannot reconcile these facts. The sad part is that if LMR vanishes from the scene, that also means that Warsaw becomes a completely dead destination as far as I'm concerned. I've spent a fair bit of time during previous parties, speaking with the hosts of LMR, asking them why they are not more popular on a scene that seems riddled with bad offers. They could offer me no good answer.

Therefor I put it to you, fellow punters in Warsaw;.

* If you've been to an LMR party. Why wouldn't you go back?

* If you haven't been. Why not?

* Assuming it isn't, why isn't LMR your first choice for mongering in Warsaw?

My interest in all of this is of course selfish. Without clients, there will be no LMR. Without LMR, I will be left with no decent options when I'm in Warsaw. So in short; help me save my favorite Warsaw establishment by helping them become your favorite establishment. Otherwise stop complaining you can't find good girls in this damn city!

Well, I am going to be in Warsaw for some of the flesh trade in May and it sounds like that aspect of the trip will be a disappointment. That being said, I will try out LMR.

Also wondering if you checked the reviews posted per girl, vs those ads that had nothing?

[QUOTE=ThomasNorway;1697887]
My reasoning here is that the unreliability of Odloty is by now a well established fact. Warsaw seems to be lacking the kind of mongering culture found in Germany and UK.
The one place I have found to be reliable, lacks reliable business. I simply cannot reconcile these facts.

The sad part is that if LMR vanishes from the scene, that also means that Warsaw becomes a completely dead destination as far as I'm concerned.
I've spent a fair bit of time during previous parties, speaking with the hosts of LMR, asking them why they are not more popular on a scene that seems riddled with bad offers.

They could offer me no good answer.

Therefor I put it to you, fellow punters in Warsaw;.

* If you've been to an LMR party. Why wouldn't you go back?

* If you haven't been. Why not?

* Assuming it isn't, why isn't LMR your first choice for mongering in Warsaw?
[/QUOTE]Thomas, thanks for a good report on the general state of P4 P in Warsaw 2015.

As you write yourself, Warsaw has tough competition from Germany and other destinations. And trying to see this from the girls point of view:

When her girlfriends tell her about how much money they make in London, Dubai or even Thailand, I for sure can understand that the talent make the short flight to better working conditions.

But then we have the girls that maybe have babies / families or a "normal" job, that wants to make a little cash on the side, - they will probably still be found in Warsaw.

Maybe this is the profile of the ladies working at LMR?

Just wildguessing here, the lack of reports on the LMR events (from qualified, senior members. Not people with 1 post under their belt) leads to questions.

The 475 zloty /4 hour deal, should be a great deal, especially if your where only 2 persons. (compare to the overcrowded London or Berlin alternatives).

I would personally bite, and go for it, if there where more detalied reports, from more senior members.

So Thomas, lead the crowds by example and write a more detailed report on LMR, and hopefully more will follow.

OfficeMatt, Please also write a report on the event if yo go.

I am occupied for the next months, so I will not be able to do it myself before summer.

But if value is to be had, and it's not overcrowded, this sounds like an excellent option.

Maybe just needs more detalied tripreports here, and on other forums?

Surely there must be ladies in Warsaw that would be interested in making money on the side, in a such "hidden" way as these types of parties is.

Maybe if the demand is there (more customers) the LMR will also be able to attract more girls on their end.

Heck, we could even be setting up our own private LMR-ISG parties with 8-10 participants on our behalf. Sounds like fun times! .

(With 5000 Zloty in the bin, LMR should / would be able to find 3-4 really good looking local girls for a comfortable 4 hour in-house event.).

Seems like a situation where everybody wins, and it all starts with some honest, good tripreports from senior members.

Greetings, Ken Apples.

[QUOTE=ThomasNorway;1697887]I find myself wondering why we are complaining about the unreliability of Odloty girls and ads on this thread. I was in Warsaw for three days myself last week, and had intended to spend most of my time at LMR parties, but sadly this is not how it turned out. Due to a severe lack of reservations, only a single LMR party actually happened, and that one party was all to the benefit of myself and a single other guest. That was also the only thing happening on my trip that didn't leave me completely blue balled.

I had compiled a list of leads on Odloty, based on favorable Garsoniera reviews. This is how it turned out.

First attempt was the ad of a red haired girl that I had saved from Odloty and written down the phone number for. As it were, the ad was deactivated and nobody picked up when I called. Fair enough.

Next was at an Odloty ad where the girl directed me to Chmielna 98. It was a bit of a hike to get there and by the time I finally found the apartment and pressed the bell, the girl announced over the intercom that she was busy but I could come back in 40 minutes. I decided not to.

Club Aisha is described on Garsoneira as the best establishment of it's kind and I decided to look into it. Essentially it is the kind of place where you show up, and the ladies working line up against the far wall of the room so you can make your choice. Beyond the general awkwardness of the situation, none of the girls looked particularly attractive, so I decided to run and call it a night....[/QUOTE]Hi,

You made a really a nice report. Fine let me give a brief about my experience in Warsaw. I was in Warsaw couple of weeks back and I also faced many fake issue because of Odloty. But I tried to visit some clubs which are really bad. Finally I contacted a girl and visited her and my overall experience was good.

Let me give my opinion about LMR. My main intention of coming to Warsaw was to attend a party in LMR, but by seeing their requirements for reservation I was not in a position to reserve as I didn't have any local number. Further as one of the member said there is no detailed report about them. But the main concern for me was there was no info about the hostess like how many will be partying. I can find some sex party in Copenhagen which will have details about how many hostess and their pictures. I was in doubt that they have only 2 and paying 475 for only two girls seems to be expensive.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1698072] ..... when her girlfriends tell her about how much money they make in London, Dubai or even Thailand, I for sure can understand that the talent make the short flight to better working conditions ......[/QUOTE]Germany, London or Dubai aren't a perfect solution for all the Polish girls, as most of them have to consider familiar circumstannces and other personal issues as well. It's not an easy step to leave the country and adventuring in hope to raise a lot of money abroad.

Within the last couple of years I've known Polish women working in Germany (Frankfurt), in appartments, (FKK) clubs or even in brothels. In particular concerning the last kind of venue I'm more than sure that being independent does mean something completely different compared to the situation and the working conditions in a German brothel. The girls there are very often under control and I've even met some years ago a guy who himself appreciated "his Polish girl" towards me in the staircase before going with her for a kebap in order to reload her batteries for the coming night hours.

There is also an address in Frankfurt there mainly Polish girls are changing regualarly on a weekly basis. The management is shifting them from one city to the next. Two weeks ago in a FKK club I met a Romanian girl who was quite happy to talk to me. Personally I felt that she was looking for someone to get her out of this system, telling me that she would like to see also the city of Frankfurt, but that she wouldn't get the possibility to do so (by the way, she already is switched since four years within Germany this way) . Another girl I know quite well arrived the same time as me at the club (she didn't recognized me in the dark when leaving the small car together with three male guys.) - looking into her eyes later I saw how exhausted she was.

For sure, I also know some Polish girls from the past who were able to cash in a small fortune being able to fulfill the dream of an own beauty salon in her home town or even buying some appartments to rent in Poland. Others are still struggling (after more than 10 years) in this job, doing it well and enjoying still a nice number of customers being always delighted, but life isn't always a one way focused way and dreams not always come true.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1698072] ..... but then we have the girls that maybe have babies / families or a "normal" job, that wants to make a little cash on the side, - they will probably still be found in Warsaw. Maybe this is the profile of the ladies working at LMR? ...... [/QUOTE]Reading my reports of visits to Warsaw within the last two years you'll recognize that this kind of women you're mentioning can be found. But perhaps you shouldn't stick to a particular optical desire in your mind. I suppose that is a significant obstacle when making a choice scrolling through the hundreds of announcments on odloty or roksa. I don't blame that, because as a male customer looking for pleasure and playing our own cinema of expectations in our brains sometimes weeks ahead before coming to Warsaw, we're sometimes fixed to an idea which should be realized.

In reality the language barrier, the fact that a girl isn't picking up in the moment we try to give her a call, but also some bad experiences when someone else is showing up but not the one expected, ruin circumstances in some kind of clubs not attracting to come in, as the smell in the house is already disgusting and the line-up or the security guy hanging around in public don't give us a good feeling.

I only can guarantee for my own experiences plotted down in reports (also two reports on LMR) - I can't mention all unrealized dates. Yes, I also got sometimes some good piece of advice by German guys writing on German boards, but I wasn't able to realize over days although the woman was announced on odloty as being on duty.

Last but not least always keep in mind that you're a customer even though you're often welcome as friend feeling at ease. It's a business and looking beyond the scene for some of the customers may be interesting as P6 is full of overwhelming stories. Please respect the privacy of women. Yas ou also want it the same way.

Hi,

I have already been in Warsaw several times, and I have sometimes tried Odloty with ups and downs. The research of the girls comparing them with Garsoniera is quite long and the result is not guaranteed. I have tried some apartments, but the level of the girls is generally low.

Is there in Warsaw places as bar or night club where you can meet girls, speak with her and pick-up to your hotel?

I have not yet found it (or similar).

Thank you for your support.

Corintho

[QUOTE=Tedesco;1698352]Germany, London or Dubai aren't a perfect solution for all the Polish girls...[/QUOTE]I still hope that we'll have coinciding travel-dates one of these days. It'd be a blast to finally meet you. I'm going to Germany in early August though, and was thinking about going to the Frankfurt area, so that might be an opportunity. Assuming the proposed legislation hasn't killed the market by then that is. .

[QUOTE=WilBel;1698230]Hi, You made a really a nice report. Fine let me give a brief about my experience in Warsaw...[/QUOTE]Glad that you had a good experience with an Odloty girl. A brief report and a link would be awesome!

Reservations at LMR can be made without a local phone number. Use their website and provide your regular phone number and they will call you back to verify. The caller speaks perfect English, and asks some simple Yes / No questions, so you won't be doing any awkward explaining to bystanders. They generally also call back very quickly. You can also call them and reserve, but I've only used the website myself.

The lack of LMR reports is an issue I've tried to rectify myself by writing (check my history), and encourage others to do as well. It's what this forum is all about I believe. ?

As far as value is concerned, I have no idea how you consider 475 zl for two girls for four hours expensive. Most girls on Odloty charge 200/ hour for a single girl, and even then you're likely back on the sidewalk after 45 minutes at best. Even the shortest option gives you two hours at the same rate that you would pay for the company of an Odloty girl, assuming she didn't charge any surprise extras. Last time I attended a sexparty in Copenhagen I was charged 2000 DKK for a three-hour event, which I consider pretty standard fare as far as local prices are concerned. I might have been ripped off though.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples;1698072]Thomas, thanks for a good report on the general state of P4 P in Warsaw 2015...[/QUOTE]Happy to supply a report, though this one was more of a cry of despair over, as you say, the current state of affairs.

I suspect you might not be too far off on your profiling of LMR hostesses, though in my experience there are plenty of girls who travel abroad and leave their children with family for a period of time, and others who don't have children holding them back, but choose not to travel for other reasons.

While I don't consider myself a senior member (no matter what the forum title is), I have written reports about LMR in the past. Feel free to check my post-log for further detail. I'm just in town about every 6 months though, so it would be great if others were to supply reports as well. As far as other forums are concerned, I'm only on this one and a Norwegian one, so that wouldn't really be my field.

Value-wise I've always considered LMR (and similar concepts) a great deal, but that's always going to be a personal assessment. As of today, there is absolutely no worries about LMR being overcrowded. Quite the opposite. This is also the reason for my current concern; if there are no reservations, there are no parties. This means no parties for me as well. *grumble* A few years back there was more activity, but there has always been enough ladies present to provide a good men: women ratio.

I've tried organizing things myself in the past, but it has never worked for me. No matter what, something always seems to come in the way, usually because people don't show up or cancel last minute. This is not limited to LMR, but a problem I've had meeting up with mongers in several countries. If you decide to try it and I'm in town, I'd be there in a heartbeat, but I don't travel to Warsaw more than about twice a year.

[QUOTE=OfficeMatt;1697954]Well, I am going to be in Warsaw for some of the flesh trade in May...[/QUOTE]Great that you're looking to try LMR. Do write about your experience!

The girls I tried calling all had individual, favorable reviews on Garsoniera. That being said, Garsoniera remains my one and only source of verifying odloty ads. It has worked before, though this time it did not. It's kind of a crap shoot.

[QUOTE=Corintho;1698365]

Is there in Warsaw places as bar or night club where you can meet girls, speak with her and pick-up to your hotel?

Corintho[/QUOTE]I sound like a broken record here, but try LMR. Their hostess Lili is smoking hot and takes private meetings if you're not into the party scene. The parties are better value though, with regards to zl / hour, and a lot more fun!

Hello,

Just so you know we have photo gallery which lists each girls bust, hair color, height, age range, body type and her "party status" of what she does at the party.

[URL]http://lemoulinrougepl.com/rvsindex.php?/photogallery/photogallery/galleryId/gallery_5639355abe779e118ea273018596b19a[/URL]

Our only requirement is that you have working mobile phone, it does not have to be a local number. We have to able to give you directions on how to get to our place if you never been there before.

It is true we might ask you to call from a local number I. E. Your hotel, because so many nutters call us from around the world and aren't even in Poland. Having said that, we rarely have guest do that.

Just if we have a feeling about a certain reservation.

You are also more than welcome to check out what "the locals" have to say about us on Garsoniera: [URL]http://www.garsoniera.com.pl/forum/topic/59349-lemoulinrougepl-784-101-564/[/URL].

If you look at the top of our website all of these links Garsoniera, the photo gallery are there, just take 5-10 seconds and have a quick glance. You are always more than welcome to write any concerns to me via PM or email us.

We also have an LMR FAQ check that out, it's pretty comprehensive. [URL]http://lemoulinrougepl.com/FAQ.php[/URL].

Hugs & Kisses,

Lady K.

[URL]www.lemoulinrougepl.com[/URL]

+48 784 101 539.

[QUOTE=WilBel;1698230]Hi,

My main intention of coming to Warsaw was to attend a party in LMR, but by seeing their requirements for reservation I was not in a position to reserve as I didn't have any local number. Further as one of the member said there is no detailed report about them. But the main concern for me was there was no info about the hostess like how many will be partying. I can find some sex party in Copenhagen which will have details about how many hostess and their pictures. I was in doubt that they have only 2 and paying 475 for only two girls seems to be expensive.[/QUOTE]

With no LMR reservations and therefor no party, I yet again tried my luck with an Odloty ad. The ad in question is this one.

"http://www.odloty.pl/en/announcements/warszawa/centrum/masaz-cialem-agata-25/137025.html" (can't seem to make this into a link no matter what I do...)

I had found the ad mentioned on Garsoniera beforehand, and as such had my hopes up that it was genuine. Knowing that many girls hang up when I open the conversation by speaking English, I opted to send a text instead. She replied fairly quickly and we agreed upon a time. She also provided me with an almost complete address, just lacking the apartment number. I don't want to provide the full address here, but if you look up the corner of Dzielna / Josefa Bellottiego in Wola, you're pretty close.

I arrived on the address at the appointed time, sent a text and got the apartment number in reply. A short elevator trip later and I'm let into the apartment by a girl who is clearly the same as in the pictures. She shows me into a bedroom and asks me to undress and grab a quick shower. The apartment is nice, modern and clean and I was under the impression that there was a second girl there, but never saw her. I ask her about money, but she insists that we settle afterwards. A good strategy as it would turn out.

As you might read from her ad, the girls specialty is erotic massage finishing with full service. I'm not going into lurid details, but suffice it to say I was extremely happy with the service I got. About 35 minutes was spent on massage after which there was a transition to full service. The entire affair was in no way a GFE, but the girl is a skilled masseuse and was friendly and cheerful all throughout. I have no complaints and might well visit her again. I decided to tip 30 zl on top of the 200 zl from the ad, and consider it good value.