Kyiv

[QUOTE=It Travel]For sure Crusier... I think I overpay a little Inga 400 USD a day (260 € now), but she is doing all you want, including cum slurping... I'm so sad she hasen't a girlfriend... to make a real cum sharing... ;)


By the way [url]http://flirt.com.ua/Lapousenka/[/url] is 21 or so, and I'm not seeking stunners, just real pigs... Like Inga going with me and taking a drink at Arena with Irish Lad (and his girlfriend) but she was plugged!!! ;)

IT[/QUOTE]
I'd give her a 6... :) Cruiser is just a mean judge. He gave Oksana Baiul a 5,5 for her skating routine at the 1994 Olympics and nearly cost her the medal. How I cursed him back then!

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksana_Baiul[/url]

But IT, she's not really marketable from a Ukrainian perspective, you should be able to go less than $400.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I'd give her a 6... :) Cruiser is just a mean judge. He gave Oksana Baiul a 5,5 for her skating routine at the 1994 Olympics and nearly cost her the medal. How I cursed him back then!

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksana_Baiul[/url]

But IT, she's not really marketable from a Ukrainian perspective, you should be able to go less than $400.[/QUOTE]
Who the linked or Inga?
Inga is may be overpaid and not a beauty, but what a pig!!!! you have seen the pics?

IT

Dear Cruiser, you should be right if. .

I agree with you about girls' prices in Kiev and Ukraine. And Kiev is the most expensive area in Ukraine.

But there is a real fact: why real nice girls, for example, in River Palace and [url]www.flirt.com. Ua[/url], ask for 80-100$/hour for little sex? This is the mirror of the sex market in Kiev now and those prices are the result of bid/ask market law.

Therefore I am sure there are thousands of men paying for 80-100$/hour just for a pussy fucking because too many girls ask for high prices and low services and it is more and more hard to negotiate with them.

I am sure masters haven't this problem but masters are few. And I am sure there is something unknown or hidden to most mongers.

Can you explain what is actually happening?

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Yeah IT, $400/day is way too much for these girls, I can get better looking 'pigs' for that in the US - why are you paying that in Kiev? $100-200 is closer to what you should be paying in Kiev for 24hrs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=It Travel]Who the linked or Inga?
Inga is may be overpaid and not a beauty, but what a pig!!!! you have seen the pics?

IT[/QUOTE]
I was making a joke, I do not think Oksana Baiul is turning tricks... she's a famous Ukrainian figure skater who won the gold medal in 1994.

But regarding your pig, she certainly looks piggish and I am sure she'd be a good fuck. I just think you could probably negotiate lower than $400, considering she's kind of chubby for Ukrainian standards.

But if she's worth $400 to you and she is what turns your crank, go for it!
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Dear Cruiser, you should be right if. .

I agree with you about girls' prices in Kiev and Ukraine. And Kiev is the most expensive area in Ukraine.

But there is a real fact: why real nice girls, for example, in River Palace and [url]www.flirt.com. Ua[/url], ask for 80-100$/hour for little sex? This is the mirror of the sex market in Kiev now and those prices are the result of bid/ask market law.
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An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Yeah IT, $400/day is way too much for these girls, I can get better looking 'pigs' for that in the US - why are you paying that in Kiev? $100-200 is closer to what you should be paying in Kiev for 24hrs.[/QUOTE]
$100/24 hours? Doesn't sound very realistic to me, at least not for pros/sponsored girls. You've got much more time in Kiev than I have, but I've never heard of anything that low... not for a single day and certainly not for 24 hours. Or is that spread over a few days, like $500 for a week?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I was making a joke, I do not think Oksana Baiul is turning tricks... she's a famous Ukrainian figure skater who won the gold medal in 1994.

But regarding your pig, she certainly looks piggish and I am sure she'd be a good fuck. I just think you could probably negotiate lower than $400, considering she's kind of chubby for Ukrainian standards.

But if she's worth $400 to you and she is what turns your crank, go for it!

An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.

$100/24 hours? Doesn't sound very realistic to me, at least not for pros/sponsored girls. You've got much more time in Kiev than I have, but I've never heard of anything that low... not for a single day and certainly not for 24 hours. Or is that spread over a few days, like $500 for a week?[/QUOTE]

Dear Doc... I know she is not a beauty... but have rock hard tits (like cast iron) and is ready to do what you want... if you say her to lick your cum from a plate she'll do it!

By the way she is still a little bit naive, and terribly excited, just because a newbye. She is paying her college and rent and food. And she do not have many "customers". Some regular "friends".

The crazy thing is that wen back from a walk for shopping some drinks wi started kissing and cuddling on the sofa... 3-4 minutes and the jeans where wet and she was asking to go in the bedroom... what shall you do with a suck girl even she is not a beauty?

She reminds me a chubby blondinka very nice I sponsored in Moscow... met went in the hotel and she started a BBBJ going on to the end, and not leaving my best friend before he was soft, relaxed and really clean! Her comment was simple: "tasty!"... These are the types of girls I'm searching and willing to pay for, even if they are only 5s or 6s.

IT

PS one of the reason I liked MT, the BBBJ + CIM when she was a little drunk was really outstanding... :D

I.t. She reminds me of an apartment girl I had the pleasure of a couple of months back, she was also pretty keen to enjoy herself.
The apartment I refer to is the one thats just 100m from arena for those of you who may know it!
I would just for the fun of it BTW ;o)

Ok. Listen to me:

You know GIA prices 150-200$/first hour

You read prices from girls at [url]www.flirt.com. Ua[/url], all girls ask minimum 100$/first hour. For instance, I see a newbie the first day asked for 120$/3 hours and the day after she asked for 300$/3 hours and she didn't want to negotiate: of course she found a lot of customers (not me) that paid her minimum 100$/hour.

And so on.

Last year an Ukrainian man took me to her girl and she asked 40$/hour but no anal and no oral without.

I found sponsoring girls for 500/600/800$/week too but few.

Price is the second problem.

The first problem is the level of service. For instance, the cum slurping should be the standard for every prostitute: I ask, I pay and you make as I want. No, it is very hard to find a NICE girl always answering "yes".

The last matter is the girls' mood. When I respect the sex provider and I pay how much she wants, I don't want to listen blames and lies otherwise you return my money. Do you think it is possible?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.[/QUOTE]

$100/day easy, there is about 50,000 girls like that in Kiev that will fuck you for free. $400/day is insane. A girl like that should easily go for $500/wk – even that is overpriced. She should jump at $1k/month even that is crazy for her quality.

Quality poon, 7-9 will cost you $80-$100 at a salon now. You can still find girls on dating sites for $50-$70.




[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]she's kind of chubby for Ukrainian standards.

But if she's worth $400 to you and she is what turns your crank, go for it!

An hour of sex should cost between $50-70 from the dating sites or at a salon. At RP it's going to be about $200 for 2-3 hours.

$100/24 hours? Doesn't sound very realistic to me, at least not for pros/sponsored girls. You've got much more time in Kiev than I have, but I've never heard of anything that low... not for a single day and certainly not for 24 hours. Or is that spread over a few days, like $500 for a week?[/QUOTE]

IT, sounds like she left the village a long time ago. She’s either super naïve for asking you for $400/day (I’m sure she initially asked for more) or she knows the game a lot better then you do. :D

[QUOTE=It Travel] By the way she is still a little bit naive, and terribly excited, just because a newbye. She is paying her college and rent and food. And she do not have many "customers". Some regular "friends". [/QUOTE]

Q, which apartment are you talking about? There are three that I know of within 100m of Arena. :)

Cruiser, the one up the street towards the lexus dealership in the direction of Pecherskij, I think the roads called bassin?
Any hows 10 girls there not a real good looker amongst them.
But a mans got to do what a mans got to do, and VV does the rest!!!!
But hey I have yet to find a good place in kiev apartment wise!

Q, the apartments are hit or miss - usually miss. The best time to go is between 2000-2200. If you have their number call ahead and tell them you want some really hot girls to pick from. I remember a few years back I pick up a 7 and traveling male picked up a 8 at one of the $80 places.

I almost pick up a girl I saw when me and Doc went to an apartment in Feb but going there was more of an afterthought and I already had plans for the night. :D

Yeah, I know the apartment you are talking about. It used to be a $60/hr place a few years ago. :D

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]$100/day easy, there is about 50,000 girls like that in Kiev that will fuck you for free. $400/day is insane. A girl like that should easily go for $500/wk – even that is overpriced. She should jump at $1k/month even that is crazy for her quality.
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I know all about the kind you fuck for free, that's my market... but I have never heard of a girl (you just met) saying she'll be your girlfriend for 24 hours for $100. I guess I am not trying hard enough, if $100 was going to get the job done that quickly it might have saved me some small talk and a couple of drinks.

So far for me it's either been for free or for more standard prices as I really don't want a pro hanging around longer than a few hours anyway, so my experience with pros has been more conventional. I've never actively sponsored girls in Kiev and the girls I trolled on the internet about sponsorship were asking more (usually about $200-300) and not too interested in budging.

Doc, it's just like the old joke. Once you get her to admit she's a ho then it down to negotiations. The FSU mentality of ‘helping out’ helps at this point. A poor horny schoolgirl, $100 and a night on the town all wind up as a winning combination. A friend of mine who lives in Ukraine, and most FSU embeds are masters at this. Spoiled ‘Center Girls’ are less apt to go for this unless they like you at some level. They can easily make $200-$400 night working the clubs or have a guy or two like IT in their phone books. A buddy of mine is sponsoring a 18 year old hard body in Kiev for $1k/month but he also shows her a pretty good lifestyle. I never really got into long term p4p in Kiev because I don’t spend enough time there and I have way too many freebies on the hook. If I were in Kiev long term I’d probably cut my serial dating down to a quarter. Have two monthly sponsored girls and spend more time at the clubs (cough, Irish Lad).

I’m not saying every p4p girl is going to be open to being a sex slave for $100 but with the right approach a 50% success rate shouldn’t be a problem at all. Approaching a girl cold and saying, hey want to be my fuck buddy for $100/day generally isn’t going to work. But IT says they are more long term projects, $400/day is nuts at that point. IT, how often do you go to Kiev? I think I could make a good living being your pimp. :D

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]The FSU mentality of ‘helping out’ helps at this point. A poor horny schoolgirl, $100 and a night on the town all wind up as a winning combination. A friend of mine who lives in Ukraine, and most FSU embeds are masters at this. [/QUOTE]
Makes sense in theory and I'd be anxious to try it out for a simple reason, the fact that you paid her $100 gives you a certain bit of leverage... she has after all when accepting the cash already admitted to being a *****, no matter how "good" she may later pretend to be... :)

But quite honestly, I haven't yet had to have a reason to pay horny schoolgirls... they react very well to a few kind words as well, as long as you are ready to go for the kill when it's time.

I still might try the $100 method in a club soon, just for sport.

This freebie in the pic still has the pink club band on her wrist. Taken at about 5 am.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Ok. Listen to me:

The first problem is the level of service. For instance, the cum slurping should be the standard for every prostitute: I ask, I pay and you make as I want. No, it is very hard to find a NICE girl always answering "yes".

The last matter is the girls' mood. When I respect the sex provider and I pay how much she wants, I don't want to listen blames and lies otherwise you return my money. Do you think it is possible?[/QUOTE]

Few rules apply everywhere (and also in Kiev) to get better level of service:
1) Check for sort of connection... (Acid test is about the first words you exchange... if she goes straight to quotation without asking for your name or your origin, it's a bad sign)
2) don't give all the money before the intercourse. If your ho' insists, give some, show you have all the agreed amount, maybe promise a tip, but don't give everything
3) Treat the girls firmly but with respect. Don't outline she is just a *****

Seems that I made a lot of discusssion with my price report....

By the way in can I know the film title where you get an obedient girl making all you want in Kiev for 100 $$$ a day???

Plese send me links and telephones (and I'll nail them)... I got a bargain two for a night for 300 and a nice dinner worth 100...

But you know pigs are few... and chased!

Who has really fucked a girl (not for an hour, I'm not interested, in all the holes, and CIM, COF, swallowing) for a day (it's 24 hours I remind) for 100 $$$ can send me the name. After fucking I'll reward him with the same 100 Franklin note ...

I AM VERY INTERESTED!!!!

Doc I think somebody here has never been in Kiev!

IT

PS I know that sometimes I overpay, but I get what I want, nearly always so...