Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2058593]that doesn't mean the freelance scene is not good anymore. It has been said a lot of times already on this board: a lot of freelancers have moved (are still moving) to the internet.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call anything on the internet a "freelancer scene". Sure, some of the internet girls are independent (no agency / pimp). Maybe they are technically speaking freelancers (though you could argue the internet itself is the intermediary instead of mamasan / bar / brothel), but the mode of operation, overall experience of finding one and even actual session dynamics are so different than with streetwalkers / freelancer bars that it's better not to confuse the two scenes.

Landed around 11 PM, went directly to Soi Cowboy after checking in. Considering the late Friday night I was in no mood to try other GoGos.

I was asked to show an identification card at the entrance of CH, don't know why but I don't look like a teenager. Ordered a beer and the night started.

#26.

As a senior ISG member suggested, this lady was my first bet. This lady was all around in the stage spreading her vibes. There were 2 groups (Jap+European I guess) lurking on her. I didn't have time so just bought her a LD (now-a-days the they don't allow single LDs, just want to suck customer's pocket) and she was with me in 5 minutes after completion of her stage round. Asked for LT straight away and her rate was 5 k+700 BF, which I agreed instantly. She informed and went with the mamasan. She was back in 5 minutes and demanded to pay upfront even before even leaving the premises! This was the worst I expected and immediately refused her politely mentioned a bad experience with a Baccara girl before when I paid upfront. I encountered her with 50% payment upfront and the rest in the morning but she was in no mood for that. I knew when the starting was not good the experience for the night would be in risk, thus asked her to join the stage.

Observed her going out after an hour, don't know she found a customer or what.

#1.

The lady was completely drunk with a beautiful face. Spoke with her for few minutes, touched the assets but let her go when she asked for LD. Didn't like the way she asked for a LD and the overall experience.

#46 or #48 (Don't remember the exact number).

She was standing besides me for some time thus had a quick little chat with her. Nice petite lady with unshaven pussy, in her early 20's I'm sure. She said she is from Chiang Mai and just recently started working. While talking to me she was looking around all the time which was a very negative point in a potential girl. Very soon she asked for a LD and I passed.

Went upstairs to look for some action, but all the girls were occupied with Japs / Koreans except the few ugly one's. I feel the up-stair of CH is utter useless in terms of talent unless you are there to spend some naughty time with your girl. Very soon I was back to downstairs.

It was already 1 o'clock and getting a LT girl was becoming very difficult!

#152.

Asked the mamasan to call her, upon checking the mamasan said she would come only if I BF her. What a joke! They expect to BF a lady without even talking. Anyway I told the mamasan to call her and I'll definitely BF her but after talking a while. She was with me soon, spoke over and her offer was ST 3 k. I encountered with 5 k LT to which she denied, even tried stretching to 5.5 k but she at all was not ready for LT. Let her go after feeling the nice grown up natural assets.

It was 2 o'clock and I directly asked mamasan to check with few girls I liked for LT, all of them denied for LT. By this time most of the girls I've seen on stage while entering at 11 o'clock were gone and replaced with new ST only girls I believe. I left around 2:30, still there were girls standing outside Suzie Wong and some other clubs but I called it a night thinking booking a lady from Smooci.

In short my experience at CH:

1 - The establishment tries to rip off their customers in the name of double LDs, tips and all other means of doing it.

2 - Early in the evening the one can find ladies on stage who are ready for LT / ST both for a not so rip off price. But as the night passes on after 1 o'clock it becomes real hard to find a girl willing to go LT.

3 - Be careful with some LD hopper girls, I was an old western guy being ripped of by 2 ladies in the name of LDs. Soon after he bought for them they simply left him.

4 - If you find a girl and want to enjoy some more time in private, go upstairs.

5 - They should reduce the music volume at least by 50%.

6 - If you want to have a free chat and feel of girls even without buying a LD, seat the closest seat available at the corner of the bar counter. Once the stage round is over girls would come there and you can have a quick chat with them.

In my 3 hours over there I saw few Westerners, Asians, Indians, Blacks almost all races, so honestly I don't think they only allow some specific races to their establishment. It all depends on how you look, your dress and most importantly how you present yourself. Just wanted to bring this point since some earlier reports mentioned the club being racists to certain races.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2058914]I wouldn't call anything on the internet a "freelancer scene". Sure, some of the internet girls are independent (no agency / pimp). Maybe they are technically speaking freelancers (though you could argue the internet itself is the intermediary instead of mamasan / bar / brothel), but the mode of operation, overall experience of finding one and even actual session dynamics are so different than with streetwalkers / freelancer bars that it's better not to confuse the two scenes.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't call anything on the internet a freelancer scene? I would say the independent girls are definitely freelancers, what else would they be?
Yes, the two scenes are different. Although I don't quite understand what you mean with 'even actual session dynamics are so different'.

Anyway I think quite a lot of girls that used to go to the freelancer bars or the Nana Plaza parking lot for example, or to Beach Road in Pattaya, don't go there anymore because it's so much easier to find customers on the internet. Especially for girls with a regular job. And some of them still go there but not as often as before, so the two scenes are partially mixed up.
And of course there's a whole new generation that never even went to places like that and have started a P4 P career on the internet. Last week I found a lovely 23 yo hair dresser on WeChat who lives somewhere in the outskirts of Bangkok. She had one of the best pussies I have ever felt in my life, but now I'm digressing LOL.

And in the last couple of days here in Pattaya, where I am now, I had sessions with a very cute and sweet 19 yo, a less cute but very horny 33 yo MILF and a skinny shy 24 yo nurse. All found through WeChat.

[QUOTE=Globotto;2058406]The Bangkok P4P scene especially the freelance scene has declined to point where as a Westerner unless you have other reasons to travel to Thailand I would suggest you do not you waste your money to go there for sex. The scene has changed so drastically over the past 15 years its like it not even the same place anymore. The central Sukhumvit free lance scene is filled with ladyboys and ladyboy gangs. Most Thai females have been replaced with African hookers. There still is a deaf group of girls that are most likely victims of (yeah, yeah, whatever Code Words) and a few barracudas (chicks that will give bad service). Not to say there are not a couple gems out there but be prepared to do lots of sifting thru old skanks and bottom feeders. I have been told be some former nice thai female freelancers that don't even like to venture to that area any more because its horrible. The demographic of male customer has changed as well from Westerner to Indians and Arabs. For your information the Therme pub is for Japanese clients only even though you still will be allowed in place. The cold shoulder you will receive as a Westerner is simply the girls trying to give you the message. Americans can find better P4P women in Latin America. Europeans can find better P4P women in Spain and Eastern Europe. The new scene is better designed for younger guys and regular dating habits.[/QUOTE]I agree with your observations about the freelancer scene naturally changing in accordance with the change in the customer base. To be blunt and, I know, very politically incorrect, it just isn't likely that the Thai sensibilities and prejudices would lead to a pairing up of younger, better looking female freelancers with Indian and Arab customers. As more Indian and Arab customers move into an area, more of the younger, better looking Thai girls will move out and find customers somewhere else or in some other way. Or they just won't set up shop here at all. And not just the freelancers but the go-go dancers and massage shop girls, too. But as much as that has changed the typical freelancer line up in Bangkok, it is nothing compared with how it has changed it in Pattaya, imo.

However, I can't agree with you about Thermae. Thermae is not "for Japanese clients only. " Not by a long shot. I can assure you I or any of my other 60-ish year old Caucasian friends could cruise through Thermae tonight and within 2-3 minutes get an above average freelancer to go ST with him for the going rate.

Read on stickman that Bangkok bunnies has quit charging a barfine, you just negotiate with the girl and walk out with her after making a deal. Anyone have any first hand experience with this new policy?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2059052]Read on stickman that Bangkok bunnies has quit charging a barfine, you just negotiate with the girl and walk out with her after making a deal. Anyone have any first hand experience with this new policy?[/QUOTE]Yes, I went in there Monday night about 11:30 PM to check it out and two girls I bought lady drinks for each asked me to "Pay bar" for them. Knowing about this supposed new deal but wanting to see how it works in the real world, I asked how much the barfine was. They each said, "700 baht". Could be the girls are playing on the fact that there is no obvious sign or indication of this supposed No Barfine policy going on other than what some of us on these message boards and those who read Stickman have heard about it and they are just pocketing an extra 700 baht the bar is no longer collecting. Anything is possible if the place doesn't make sure every customer has been made aware of it and, more importantly, that every girl knows every customer has been made aware of it. Just like any other supposed "customer benefit". Unless the girls know the customers are informed about it, all kinds of mischief and scams can and will ensue.

I paid my drink bill and left. Went to another Nana go-go bar, paid the barfine and took a girl just like always. If there is a new No Barfine policy at Bangkok Bunnies, somebody needs to inform the girls about it and, as I said above, it is even more important that the girls know the customers are all aware of it. There are a ton of reasons why these things must be put right in the faces of the customers and making sure the girls suspect every customer would know about it so they don't bother trying to pull a scam is one of them. I really didn't feel like doing their job for them by asking around to this or that mamasan.

If these are the policies of Bangkok Bunnies, and I applaud them if they are, then how about a nice big sign next to the doorway that says something like, "NO COYOTES! ALL REAL GIRLS! NO BARFINE!"? Or is that too much of a bother and too complicated for the proprietors who expect to draw customers in on this deal to do and, after all, nobody reads manuals and all of that? lol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2059076]If these are the policies of Bangkok Bunnies, and I applaud them if they are, then how about a nice big sign next to the doorway that says something like, "NO COYOTES! ALL REAL GIRLS! NO BARFINE!"? Or is that too much of a bother and too complicated for the proprietors who expect to draw customers in on this deal to do and, after all, nobody reads manuals and all of that? lol.[/QUOTE]I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2059110]I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?[/QUOTE]I think that is likely, too. But the two girls I interacted with on Monday night were still talking "Pay bar" and "the barfine is 700 baht". So if the owners/managers of Bangkok Bunnies want to place a buffer of protection between them and the law or let's say the new leadership's idea of what is acceptable, they weren't doing a very good job of it on the first night of the effort.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2059110]I get a feeling this has nothing to do with being mindful of the customers' pocket. The way I see it, this is about the establishment drawing a clear line between hosting working girls at the venue and pimping them out. Collecting a barfine directly implies pimping, which they might want to avoid?[/QUOTE]In São Paulo MP you pay the venue for room.

Then you pay the girl in cash.

This way the establishment is clean and not pimping.

In the past you paid room and girl altogether at reception and with credit cards if you wished so.

In philpinnes the "bar fine" includes also the girl rate. The tip t the girl is really a (small) top if you wish so.

In Singapore OT the lady drinks are rewarded to the girls through stamps, in the past they had a sort of chargeable card.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2059132]I think that is likely, too. But the two girls I interacted with on Monday night were still talking "Pay bar" and "the barfine is 700 baht". So if the owners/managers of Bangkok Bunnies want to place a buffer of protection between them and the law or let's say the new leadership's idea of what is acceptable, they weren't doing a very good job of it on the first night of the effort.[/QUOTE]The girls maybe tried their own scam.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059157]
In philpinnes the "bar fine" includes also the girl rate. The tip t the girl is really a (small) top if you wish so.[/QUOTE]This may still be true in AC although it is changing rapidly.

But the price structure in Manila is almost exactly the same as it is in BKK Go Go's only the Manila Go Go barfine is so large that it can equal what the girls want for ST. For example, Burgos Bars charge a barfine ranging from 1900 pesos ($38) at Rogues (the cheapest) to 3900 pesos ($77) at Bottoms and no girl can leave the bar until the customer pays the barfine. Now it used to be that the Burgos barfine was 10 lady drinks which meant exactly that ie there were no additional charges on top of the barfine for up to 10 lady drinks. The customer's drinks, however, were and are always fully charged. But since January 2016, the Burgos bars are now charging for lady drinks on top of the barfine unless the customer negotiates directly with a mamasan before anything begins or is a regular at the bar. Usually when the subject is brought up in a friendly way, the mamasan will agree to take subsequent lady drinks off the tab as long as the customer ends up barfining the girl, but if the customer does not pre-negotiate this, then it can be too bad for him. LOL. Burgos girls then expect to be paid for their services after the deed an amount similar to the barfine of their particular establishment. For example, Rogues girls will usually want 2500 pesos ($50) for ST while Kojax and Bottoms girls want 4000 pesos ($79) for ST.

The other Manila Go Go playground is the EDSA Entertainment Complex which is kind of like Nana with the bars all under one roof. EDSA is the same deal as Burgos only with a generally cheaper barfine, but lady drinks are extra. The barfine at Firehouse and Cotton Club for example is 1950 pesos ($38.5) and again it must be paid before the girls are allowed to leave the bar. EDSA girls usually expect 3500 pesos to 4000 pesos for their ST. Services paid to them afterwards in the hotel room.

To summarize: a girl and a night out in Bottoms or Kojax, the two best Go Go's on Burgos Street will run you $157 total (barfine + ST), plus whatever you drink tab comes to. A girl and a night out at the Cotton Club in EDSA will run your $117 (barfine + ST) plus whatever your drink tab & the girl's drink tab comes to. There are no free lady drinks at EDSA that I know of. This is why so many punters head to AC as soon as they arrive in the PI. But I will say this: IMHO Manila girls are far better looking and much more sophisticated (in a very good way) than their AC cousins. The choice is up to the consumer as per always.

So which town do I prefer, BKK or Manila? BKK, but only because there is much more to do when not mongering, more venues to choose from when mongering, it is relatively safer, and the food is much better in BKK. As far as the girls go, it is a close call, I like them both, but Manila girls are just a little bit more fun and they parlez English good. A quick comparison: I think I am on record as being a pretty satisfied regular at Crazy House in BKK since it opened a couple of years ago and I have had some pretty raucus good times INSIDE CH with some of my girls especially later at night on the 2nd floor when everybody has had plenty of Tequila shots. BUT, as wild as those nights have been and I look forward to many more of them, they pale in comparison to the wild nights I have had INSIDE Bottoms Bar in Makati with 3 Filipinas blowing me at the same time. They Pale!

Just wanted to introduce myself. I've been following the European threads for months too get intel so I just registered to start giving back. I have been in Thailand for 15 yrs now. Lived in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui and Koh Tao. I'll try and be active here to add input and answer questions.

Seems Thermae is getting a lot of talk this week so I will add my 2 cents. Last girl I took out of Thermae was about 7 yrs ago. She was really sweet, about a 7-8. Didn't dress / make-up / hair like a lot of them do to attract the Asian men. I thought this was maybe a signal, well it worked for me. Got her home and undressed for shower and BAM! Full Bush! Hadn't seen that much hair down there in ages. Not my style, but a real turn on for a change of pace. I still stop in there sometimes on my walk home from Cowboy. 1 maybe 2 yrs ago I was in there having a beer around midnight, just checking the scene. I western guy was drinking a beer across from me. He stepped over to a 9 sh girl who I thought was going to completely ignore him. They chatted for 1 min tops. The guy leaves the bar. Then I see the same girl going out the back entrance. I knew something was up so I went out front and sure enough the girl comes walking out the Raumchit hotel door and gets into a taxi with him. After telling this story to friends we have concluded that some of the girls might not want to be seen leaving with the farang but are still willing go with them 'in secret'. Maybe they don't want potential Asian clients or even other girls to see them leave with the farang guy. Try it out. Might work for you.

And finally, had a great time with Pat from SW on Soi Cowboy last week. 2.5 k ST 600 BF and 2 LD. 20 yrs old, big naturals. She's been working there for a year and I haven't talked to her. Just goes to show, there are always surprises in Bangkok.

Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059196]Has the club re-opened after its closure a few months ago for refurbishment?[/QUOTE]Just heard it re-opened under a different name. Don't remember what it is. Haven't been by there to see what the scene is like now as I'm out of town.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2059158]The girls maybe tried their own scam.[/QUOTE]Have to wonder if the new policy is to reduce liability for the club owners. No barfine but a higher rate that includes the kickback.