Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips
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Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips
There was a discussion on the Oase thread this past week on posters, lurkers, what defines an experienced monger and why lurkers are adverse to posting.
I believe that this is an important issue which needs to be highlighted and discussed in its own right rather than getting lost in the wealth of visit reports and discussion on the size of Linda/Karolina/Adrianna's mammaries. So I'm copying here the relevant posts in the order that they appeared, in the hope that they will engender more input from both regular posters and lurkers.
1) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885073&postcount=3974]James Bond meets an experienced monger[/url]
2) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885338&postcount=3978]Forzagermania recounts that he met the same monger but he only has a year's wear and tear under his towel so he's still a rookie[/url]
3) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885514&postcount=3980]Ortos on the definition of a senior monger[/url]
4) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886116&postcount=3994]EL on respect for regular contributors[/url]
5) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886123&postcount=3997]James Bond's reply to EL with justifications for lurkers who don't post[/url]
6) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886155&postcount=4001] A very eloquent response by an amazing guy to James Bond's post[/url]
Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?
[QUOTE=Iseeu]Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?[/QUOTE]
Well, it's everyones choice whether they post reviews. I will say my respect for posters is directly proportional to the number of the reviews the post. Please note number of reviews is different than number of posts. I tend to have less patience and respect for senior members with high post counts who rarely if ever post a review. Posting what you've read on another board, even if translating, is not contributing new information. Nor is repeating the same objection to a club or set of clubs, or conversely marketing or promoting another set of club.
If lurkers want to lurk, that is fine. But remember, you are not contributing. And as such you deserve less respect.
I also know some frequent club visitors don't want to post reviews for fear of being outed. My response is ok, don't post a blow by blow trip report with enough info for the ladies in question to out you.
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.[/QUOTE]
Excellent points. Here's another one:
If we have sections here that deal with RoD, Travel Plans, etc., why not have a dedicated section spelling out directions to all the major clubs? Call it something like FKK Locations and Directions or How to Get to FKKs, whatever. It would serve a very basic quick info service for maybe the Nummero Uno Questione asked so, so often by new members...
Just an idea
[QUOTE=Ortos]Excellent points. Here's another one:
If we have sections here that deal with RoD, Travel Plans, etc., why not have a dedicated section spelling out directions to all the major clubs? Call it something like FKK Locations and Directions or How to Get to FKKs, whatever. It would serve a very basic quick info service for maybe the Nummero Uno Questione asked so, so often by new members...
Just an idea[/QUOTE]
Great idea. How about a HOW TO USE THE SEARCH THREAD section.
[QUOTE=Otari]Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips[/QUOTE]
During my last rip in early May, I noticed around 4-5 black women working @ Golden Time. Best to search some of Basketcase's post on the lineups for more specific info.
It has been more than 2 years, but there was a hot Ethiopian babe Denise @ Living Room. Tall, slim with a pretty face.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Well, it's everyones choice whether they post reviews. I will say my respect for posters is directly proportional to the number of the reviews the post. Please note number of reviews is different than number of posts. I tend to have less patience and respect for senior members with high post counts who rarely if ever post a review. Posting what you've read on another board, even if translating, is not contributing new information. Nor is repeating the same objection to a club or set of clubs, or conversely marketing or promoting another set of club.
If lurkers want to lurk, that is fine. But remember, you are not contributing. And as such you deserve less respect.
I also know some frequent club visitors don't want to post reviews for fear of being outed. My response is ok, don't post a blow by blow trip report with enough info for the ladies in question to out you.
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.[/QUOTE]
Everyones idea of respect varies, but I believe respect is earned, not written. Until you meet in person, how can you really respect someone? Just because someone gives specific details on the amount of toilet paper they used to wipe after taking a dump on the 5th day @ 4:33pm does not deserve more respect. If you want to hold their hands & give them a gift, that's great.
I do not think anyone is going to lose any sleep because EL thinks they are a newbie or your lack of respect for them. Everyone has their reasons for not providing trip reports & that is fine with me. I like to have a little fun & yes, I do respond with sacrcasm. Someone eventually responds to the newbie question anyway so what's the big deal.
If you want to go mano a mano with Jackyo & everyone else that you dislike, have fun. Have fun hunting down all the members with high post counts with only a few trip reports.
On a serious note, what trains do I take to Palace from Industriehof? Also, how much is the entry price to Palace? I am sorry for being a newbie, but this info would really help. Thank you!
[QUOTE=Otari]Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips[/QUOTE]
Otari,
Golden Time:
Most of my visits in NRW are to Golden Time. The attached two links are to some of my recent reports to Golden Time that include line up lists of the girls present and a bit of a description where possible. You will see a number of black girls listed.
[post]880160[/post]
[post]871780[/post]
Villa Vertigo:
I recently went to Villa Vertigo on a Friday night which is the day you would expect its better line up to be present and I saw no dark skinned women.
Planet Happy Garden:
I do not have recent experience of Planet Happy Garden but during my visits I have not seen any Black women.
Ying Yang:
I do not have recent experience of Yin Yang but during my visits I have not seen any Black women.
Living Room:
I have no comment on Living Room.
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Everyones idea of respect varies, but I believe respect is earned, not written. Until you meet in person, how can you really respect someone? Just because someone gives specific details on the amount of toilet paper they used to wipe after taking a dump on the 5th day @ 4:33pm does not deserve more respect. If you want to hold their hands & give them a gift, that's great.
I do not think anyone is going to lose any sleep because EL thinks they are a newbie or your lack of respect for them. Everyone has their reasons for not providing trip reports & that is fine with me. I like to have a little fun & yes, I do respond with sacrcasm. Someone eventually responds to the newbie question anyway so what's the big deal.
If you want to go mano a mano with Jackyo & everyone else that you dislike, have fun. Have fun hunting down all the members with high post counts with only a few trip reports.
On a serious note, what trains do I take to Palace from Industriehof? Also, how much is the entry price to Palace? I am sorry for being a newbie, but this info would really help. Thank you![/QUOTE]
I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. Hence my preference for visit reports. I got alot out of this forum when I was a newbee by reading visit reports.
I sense that some senior mongers would prefer to use the forum mostly for back and forth banter. That's fine too. I can't say I find that particularly useful, but to each his own.
The final category is those that actively post misinformation in order to promote clubs they like. I make no apologies for correcting misinformation posted.
Lately, it has been the newbees providing the bulk of the trip reports. As I want more people to post club reports, I would prefer we not gang tackle the newbees every time one asks a question. Newbees become experienced mongers over time. It was funny their was a thread recently about whether BC should be considered an experience monger. I thought the comment was somewhat amusing given BC has probably contributed more to the forum over the last year that any of the more experienced mongers. I'm looking for more BC's to emerge on this forum. Your "sarcasm" towards newbees does not come across well in the forum. People asking questions often do not know when you are being facetious. Doesn't make for a very inviting welcome.
BTW, what info have you shared with the forum lately?
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. [/QUOTE]
Now the problem is that some of my information isn't usable for everyone. I talk backchannel with other members of the board, actually quite a few both here and at the clubs...and everyone has their own specific taste's and like's...the same with the ladies...and the chemistry between the girls and the posters create alot of the extra's you read about in the posts...ie the free time outside the room, the real gfe service and the like. Everyone has their own opinions of what's good and what's not, let them decide for themselves.
Would it be of interest to you to know the names of the girls at each club that give me great service and spend their free time outside the room letting me grab them to my hearts content? If I posted the names of all the girls at all the clubs that provided awsome service and spent their free time with me, what good would that information do for you? Would you expect the same type of service?
You should be happy that guys provide a general description of the club should suffice...ie how many girls are working, number of guys and the overall atmosphere.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. Hence my preference for visit reports. I got alot out of this forum when I was a newbee by reading visit reports.
I sense that some senior mongers would prefer to use the forum mostly for back and forth banter. That's fine too. I can't say I find that particularly useful, but to each his own.
The final category is those that actively post misinformation in order to promote clubs they like. I make no apologies for correcting misinformation posted.
Lately, it has been the newbees providing the bulk of the trip reports. As I want more people to post club reports, I would prefer we not gang tackle the newbees every time one asks a question. Newbees become experienced mongers over time. It was funny their was a thread recently about whether BC should be considered an experience monger. I thought the comment was somewhat amusing given BC has probably contributed more to the forum over the last year that any of the more experienced mongers. I'm looking for more BC's to emerge on this forum. Your "sarcasm" towards newbees does not come across well in the forum. People asking questions often do not know when you are being facetious. Doesn't make for a very inviting welcome.
BTW, what info have you shared with the forum lately?[/QUOTE]
What! Vito being Facetious? Never!
I also like to read trip reports, just prefer not to write them. BC's long reports are very impressive & it is amazing how he remembers all the details. I do not remember half the things I did until I read his report (early May).
I session with a lot of women during my trips & I like to relax & sleep when I return to my hotel. I prefer not to stay awake 1-2 extra hrs & write down all my notes & try to remember the entire club lineup (name, country, height, hair, cup size & etc).
I believe I share some useful info from time to time. I think you take this forum a little too seriously, but you do provide very useful info.
From the Frankfurt International Airport terminal 1, how do I find Starbucks from the Nike store? Thanks
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] From the Frankfurt International Airport terminal 1, how do I find Starbucks from the Nike store? Thanks[/QUOTE]
Hi Vito Corleone,
Give me a moment I will find my map of Frankfurt am Main airport (terminal 1 and terminal 2) in my fully Dewey decimal indexed archive of FKK memorabilia and I will provide some instruction.
Which Starbucks do you want?
[QUOTE=Basketcase]Hi Vito Corleone,
Give me a moment I will find my map of Frankfurt am Main airport (terminal 1 and terminal 2) in my fully Dewey decimal indexed archive of FKK memorabilia and I will provide some instruction.
Which Starbucks do you want?[/QUOTE]
The Starbucks located about 30ft to the right as you exit the Nike store.
A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]There was a discussion on the Oase thread this past week on posters, lurkers, what defines an experienced monger and why lurkers are adverse to posting.
I believe that this is an important issue which needs to be highlighted and discussed in its own right rather than getting lost in the wealth of visit reports and discussion on the size of Linda/Karolina/Adrianna's mammaries. So I'm copying here the relevant posts in the order that they appeared, in the hope that they will engender more input from both regular posters and lurkers.
1) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885073&postcount=3974]James Bond meets an experienced monger[/url]
2) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885338&postcount=3978]Forzagermania recounts that he met the same monger but he only has a year's wear and tear under his towel so he's still a rookie[/url]
3) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885514&postcount=3980]Ortos on the definition of a senior monger[/url]
4) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886116&postcount=3994]EL on respect for regular contributors[/url]
5) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886123&postcount=3997]James Bond's reply to EL with justifications for lurkers who don't post[/url]
6) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886155&postcount=4001] A very eloquent response by an amazing guy to James Bond's post[/url]
Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monger Man]A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information.[/QUOTE] I guess you just have to be careful how much details you divulge.
Just recently I had written a comment in one of the FKK threads, but as I was to hit the "Add Report" button I had second thoughts and decided not to post. The reason was that if the persons involved indeed were to read it, it would be very easy for her/them to say "Aha, so Ozzy is THAT guy". I may post it at a later time, when memories may have faded a bit, but it is true what you say, many of these girls have a memory like an elephant. With repeat visits, I've been told things by my regular girls like "Oh, this is the room we were in when we were first together" or other obscure details that I myself am completely oblivious to. I've also had relayed to me details of what I did in the room with their friends many months ago (they gossip), so if you're a known face to her (a regular customer), she will eventually be able to connect the dots if she happens to read the forum (and if she does read it, the reports that will get her attention are of course the ones that mention her name, so your specific report will not be one that is drowned in the plethora of reports filed here, as long as you mention her.) With hindsight, I think I may have gone a bit too far with some of the details I've posted earlier, but for now I haven't gotten any comments or queries from the girls mentioned (knock wood).
I guess it also depends on which girl you are reporting on. Some of them seem so dense I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to switch on a computer. But a lot (perhaps most) seem savvy and intelligent enough to be able to do some research and suss you out if they put in the effort and the details are there.
That being said, I don't necessarily think it's the "I fucked so-and-so in this and that position"-reports that will get you outed, but more so the details of what has been said or what has been done besides the sex. For example, I've shown my appreciation for a certain ATF in a special way, and that appreciation was very much returned. The details would probably make an interesting post, but I would never do it as it would be a dead giveaway if she were to read it. I've also learned quite a bit about the private lives of some of my regular girls, like their background, family lives, hopes for the future etc. Some of it may make interesting reading, but I don't post it. Mainly out of respect for the girl's privacy, but also because there probably was a more limited amount of guys she told so-and-so details to last week, than fucked her doggy then mish before cumming in her mouth.
Finally there is the question whether a girl really cares if you post a report on her (or are a poster in general), as long as you don't post anything negative. This I have no clue about, as I have never discussed ISG or any other forum with a girl. But I think I would feel kinda foolish if one of my favourites were to say that she had read what I had written about her (I. E. She outed me), even if she then were to say that she didn't care, or even if she thought it was nice.
Just my two cents.
Ozzy
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