Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1650466]BP, have you considered the possibility that perhaps of all the clients she's had, and of all the guys who tried to hustle her for "extras," you may be the first who treated her with kindness and respect? That goes a long way here and, and sadly it's not necessarily the norm.

GE.[/QUOTE]You are right, I'm not pushy and always treat women with respect. I have three sisters and two daughters, I treated women like I want them to be treated. Interesting that you mention that, as she asked why I wanted her and if I respected her when I asked her to come back for a second massage. Oh well, she is constantly texting and letting me know when she has a client. We shall see.

Thanks for your view.

BP.

I have to agree with Member #4221's conclusion that "Love, admiration and respect for the foreigner is a fallacy. " Filipinos are tribal in their way of thinking. If you are not Filipino, they consider it acceptable to exploit you as a means to their ends. Being Filipino does not necessarily protect you from this behavior either. Filipinas do cheat on and lie to their own men but the men rarely care about this as they put very little into the relationship. In fact, the Filipino is often the one benefiting sexually and materially from the relationship at the cost of the pinay.

After observing Filipina behavior in and out of the Philippines, I can say that their friends play an extremely important part in influencing their behavior. Outside of the Philippines they tend to coalesce into tight knit social groups for support. Soon the most ambitious amongst them becomes the unofficial leader of the group and dictates expected behaviors to the other members. An example of this is a situation where the leader encouraged a young pretty girl to date a local in the country where they were overseas foreign workers (OFW). The aim of the Filipino leader was to get the local emotionally attached to the pinay so he and the others could have access to the guy's car because they were in an isolated area where transportation costs were high. The girl was instructed to give only a bit of herself on each date. One the first date he got nothing, second date a kiss, third date a blow, and on the fourth date full intercourse. In the meanwhile the girl's local boyfriend was basically running a taxi service for the Filipino group. After the guy got what he wanted he became tired of the group's request for free rides. He started telling them no. Then one day the girl tells the Filipino chief that she cannot go out with them because she is waiting for her boyfriend. Enraged the Filipino yells at her, "he is just a foreigner! I told you to date him just so we can use him for his car. I never told you to fall in love with him. ".

No matter how nice, kind, generous, and respectful we are to Filipinas at the end of the day we are "just foreigners" to them. Forget that their true loyalties lie with their own kind at your own risk. They easily spew worlds like love, forever, only you, etc. Filipinas are notorious sweet-talkers. Pay it no mind and watch what they do. Keep them under surveillance. It's easy and cheap with the technology available. It will help you avoid being the next expat murdered with no evidence of forced entry to your residence. Remember those expat murders where the girlfriend / wife always seem to be left tied up alive and unharmed while her foreign boyfriend / husband is brutally murdered.

Filipinas may good take care of you when you're sick. They can be attentive to your needs in and out of bed. Don't confuse this with love. They take care of us out of self-interest, at least until one of their tribe members or lovers convince them that the foreigner is worth more dead than alive. In the end, the pinay I dumped confessed to her best friend that the reason behind her actions was "greed. " She had everything she needed but when she saw her barkada fucking around and having fun she got envious and wanted to be a part of that. She felt "ashamed" that she was the only one not doing it. The barkada told her that her boyfriend would never find out. So she put it all on the table, rolled the dice, and lost everything. The tribe had spoken.

In the end, their way of thinking only hurts them as long as you're vigilant and don't get careless. The same day I handed over the ex her walking papers, I took down my monger boots and brushed them off. There were lots of brown beaver out there that night and someone had to hunt them.

I'm heading over to Manila in the first week of January and turned on my Tagged profile to start finding a few dates for my time in town.

Big mistake (which even I have preached against), Filipinas, of the kind I am seeking for overnight dates do not need that much notice or have that much to talk about.

Tonight, three of my short list have gotten to the end of their pre-date chit-chat responses and have pulled the various send me money cards.

My best practice was to turn the profiles active for just two weeks prior to arrival so that I had about 10-15 numbers to whittle through when I arrived. Seems that by being in contact for too long the girls thought I was an easy touch. Oh well, I guess they found out sooner than expected that I only support the girls I meet.

As per my best practice, if an unmet girl asks for money she get's blocked. And these girls were cute! Hard to have to block them.

What are your guys strategies?

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1651255]As per my best practice, if an unmet girl asks for money she get's blocked. And these girls were cute! Hard to have to block them.

What are your guys strategies?

BD.[/QUOTE]I'm not quite as strict in automatically blocking an unmet girl the first time she asks for money. Hey, there are plenty of suckers out there, so I can't blame her for testing the waters.

In the past, I've simply responded that I will never send money to someone I've never met in person before. In most cases, they've accepted that rule, and we later met and had a great time. Other times, they simply blocked or ignored me, which was fine, since they were probably scammers to begin with. However, if they ask a second time, then they are automatically blocked.

RG.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;1651310]I'm not quite as strict in automatically blocking an unmet girl the first time she asks for money. Hey, there are plenty of suckers out there, so I can't blame her for testing the waters.

In the past, I've simply responded that I will never send money to someone I've never met in person before. In most cases, they've accepted that rule, and we later met and had a great time. Other times, they simply blocked or ignored me, which was fine, since they were probably scammers to begin with. However, if they ask a second time, then they are automatically blocked.

RG.[/QUOTE]I never block them I just fuck with them. If they talk to me I enjoy learning the finer details of scamming. Most are fags and they obviously find more than their share of morons.

Most of them won't open up.

Some of the scammers are smart I mean I don't agree but hey they make money doing nothing.

PP.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;1650484]You are right, I'm not pushy and always treat women with respect. I have three sisters and two daughters, I treated women like I want them to be treated. Interesting that you mention that, as she asked why I wanted her and if I respected her when I asked her to come back for a second massage. Oh well, she is constantly texting and letting me know when she has a client. We shall see.

Thanks for your view.

BP.[/QUOTE]Big POPPA.

I think she was sincere, I have seen it dozens of times, and so few people treat them nice, most Pinoy treat them like the shit on their shoes so when a "powerful rich foreigner" treat them well they are won over quite often especially for the less educated crowd. I have received many similar rewards such as you by simply being nice and proper nad this has resulted in allot fo good sex and almost all repeat!

If you treat them well you own them. And this will fall in love because you are their dream man and they truly don't care if you are not Adonis just that you treat them well.

Off the 50 that I have had such arrangements with maybe 4 have gone on to try to get money later and likely because a friend told them to.

So be nice, have low expectations and you will often be surprised. I am not working 2 pinay here and soon to add a 3rd and I employ the same methods. Compared to 90% of the fat white women here they are way way way better!

PP.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1650546]I have to agree with Member #4221's conclusion that "Love, admiration and respect for the foreigner is a fallacy. " Filipinos are tribal in their way of thinking. If you are not Filipino, they consider it acceptable to exploit you as a means to their ends. Being Filipino does not necessarily protect you from this behavior either. Filipinas do cheat on and lie to their own men but the men rarely care about this as they put very little into the relationship. In fact, the Filipino is often the one benefiting sexually and materially from the relationship at the cost of the pinay.
.[/QUOTE]I think we are hanging out with different crowds Chocha.

Assuming you are a westerner most of the rest of the world is tribal and pinay are influenced by their friends and families to varying degrees based on their intelligence and self confidence. Most Pinays have little or no self esteem and are super easy to manipulate by their friends families and US. This is their #1 problem, that and they are lazy!

Many of US abuse that and perhaps I to am guilty.

I currently employ 7. 5 pinoy men and women and the men are EVEN worse for the most part. 98% of the men here will fuck you over as soon as you turn your head, it truly is a lost culture. But the women are attractive loving and wet!

There are many good women to be found! MANY!

Got a date here with a new one tonight!

PP.

How do you guys find chicks that bring all of this drama? My main girl in PI is from AC. I have been dealing with her over 3 years. She has never been out of AC. I wanted to take her to Bohol next February but due to medical reasons she does not want to come and told me to find someone else to take. (So I will be going with my girl in Manila.) She has never asked me for anything. Over the 3 years I have given her maybe 5000 pesos, and 2000 of those were just last month.

I finally went to her house. We left SM Clark in the jeepney (8. 50 pesos each). On the way she had to stop by the store to buy some organic vinegar that helps her with her stomach (some kind of gastro medical condition). We went to the grocery store inside of Nepo mall in downtown AC. That was my first time ever leaving the Fields / Clark area and it was nothing pretty! Pollution and traffic. Going to Nepo really opened my eyes on the true prices of things in PI. Let's just say if you are giving chicks 2000 and 3000 pesos for a session then you are getting ripped off. I think my girl said she pays 2000/ month to rent her house. Anyway, she got the vinegar which was about 250 pesos. When we got to the checkout counter there was a guy in front of us buying the same damn vinegar. He said it helps with his cough. (Later on in the day a group that I am in on fb back in the States was talking about the same damn vinegar.) Before this day I had never even heard of the stuff and in one day I hear of it out of the blue 3 times from different sources. I gave her 1000 pesos to buy the vinegar. She tried to give me the change back. I told her to keep it.

We went around the mall and she was looking for a dress to buy with the money. We went into several stores and saw some nice ass dresses, but when they told her the price of 600 pesos she was like that is too much and we were out the door. I saw clothes for like 100 and 200 pesos. I was thinking damn if you gave some chick 2000 pesos on an overnight then she could go on a serious shopping spree. Even at Pizza Hut they had some kind of deal: 2 slices of pizza and a drink for 50 pesos. We left the mall empty handed and she tracked down her cousins husband who has the nicest trike I have ever seen.

He stopped us by a pizza place where my girl bought 3 pizzas for 200 pesos for her 2 kids (15 year old daughter & 8 year old son who actually works as a house boy), nephews, nieces, and cousins. Then we went to the house. I was shocked to find out that nobody I met in her neighborhood spoke English. Here I was thinking that everyone in the Philippines spoke English, but none of her family or neighbors did. I had fun playing with the kids and as it started to get dark we decided to head back to the hotel. We went to the main street to get a jeepney but each one that passed were already full. I told her F that, let's get a trike. She said it was going to be about 120 in the trike.

I sat inside holding her purse and my girl sat on the bike. Right before turning on Perimeter we were stopped in front of a grocery store. A girl holding a baby came up to me begging. I tried to hand her my girl's entire purse, but she would not take it. She kept her hand out for money. I told her to go around and ask my girl because she had all the money. She refused. Later I asked my girl why she would not take the purse or ask her for money. She said because I am a foreigner. They are not going to beg from a local.

Later that night my girl said she wanted to go see what the gogos are like. I'm not a gogo guy. I told her how boring they are to me, but what the hell for her experience. We went to La Bamba because my brother had recommended it. He said the night before that he had gone and had a ball and met some guys who kept buying him drinks and wanted him to hang out and bar hop with them. There were some nice girls in there. I pointed out to my girl the ones I liked the best and she told me which ones she thought were the best. She asked me why the girls were not dancing, but just standing on stage rocking to the music. I told her that I didn't know and to ask the waitress. She asked, but the waitress just blew her off. I was falling asleep in the gogo so my girl said we could go back to the room.

The next day before she left I gave her 1000 pesos. I had to get ready to go back to Thailand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1651361]{S N I P} On the way she had to stop by the store to buy some organic vinegar that helps her with her stomach (some kind of gastro medical condition). We went to the grocery store inside of Nepo mall in downtown AC. {S N I P} . Anyway, she got the vinegar which was about 250 pesos. When we got to the checkout counter there was a guy in front of us buying the same damn vinegar. He said it helps with his cough. (Later on in the day a group that I am in on fb back in the States was talking about the same damn vinegar.) Before this day I had never even heard of the stuff and in one day I hear of it out of the blue 3 times from different sources. {S N I P} [/QUOTE]Vinegar is well known for its supposed health benefits. The most renowned is vinegar "with the mother", and in particular organic cider vinegar with the mother. I used to drink it about 40 years. Must be great as I still look so young!

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1651357]Big POPPA.

I think she was sincere, I have seen it dozens of times, and so few people treat them nice, most Pinoy treat them like the shit on their shoes so when a "powerful rich foreigner" treat them well they are won over quite often especially for the less educated crowd. I have received many similar rewards such as you by simply being nice and proper nad this has resulted in allot fo good sex and almost all repeat!

If you treat them well you own them. And this will fall in love because you are their dream man and they truly don't care if you are not Adonis just that you treat them well.

Off the 50 that I have had such arrangements with maybe 4 have gone on to try to get money later and likely because a friend told them to.

So be nice, have low expectations and you will often be surprised. I am not working 2 pinay here and soon to add a 3rd and I employ the same methods. Compared to 90% of the fat white women here they are way way way better!

PP.[/QUOTE]Interesting viewpoint, I was inclined to think along those lines, but because of some negativity in the board I was confused. I continue to communicate and may go back to see her, actually I already have my tickets which I can cancel as they are reward miles. I opened the door and told her whatever you want to do when I'm there. She said it is up to me, she cannot do much as she cannot stop working. She also mentioned that would not ask for anything until we get married if that is what I want.

I have to be careful and not bring my history into the mix, but after three marriages that will be hard to do.

Thanks again for a different point of view. Would be a shame to hurt someone nice and lose an opportunity.

BP.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1651255]I'm heading over to Manila in the first week of January and turned on my Tagged profile to start finding a few dates for my time in town.

Big mistake (which even I have preached against), Filipinas, of the kind I am seeking for overnight dates do not need that much notice or have that much to talk about.

Tonight, three of my short list have gotten to the end of their pre-date chit-chat responses and have pulled the various send me money cards.

My best practice was to turn the profiles active for just two weeks prior to arrival so that I had about 10-15 numbers to whittle through when I arrived. Seems that by being in contact for too long the girls thought I was an easy touch. Oh well, I guess they found out sooner than expected that I only support the girls I meet.

As per my best practice, if an unmet girl asks for money she get's blocked. And these girls were cute! Hard to have to block them.

What are your guys strategies?

BD.[/QUOTE]Agree you peaked too early. Fakes get blocked. The rest go into a to do list. Begging gets blocked if after nicely but firmly asserting myself it persists.

AV.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1651361]How do you guys find chicks that bring all of this drama?............

He stopped us by a pizza place where my girl bought 3 pizzas for 200 pesos for her 2 kids (15 year old daughter & 8 year old son who actually works as a house boy)[/QUOTE]That's your main advantage over the rest of us Mr Ent. Your lady is of the best temperamental pinay stock, a mid 30's to 40's mom with simple needs and expectations. If we all could be attracted to ladies like her our drama level would be lessened substantially.

Alot of us are involved with females only 3 to 6 years older than your lady's daughter and she and all her familial advisers and friends of influence place her pussy at a a much higher premium value than a mom of a teen.

So we get the drama we deserve heheh.

I'm guilty as charged on the self inflicted drama scale.

[QUOTE=Kitsune9;1649538]Welcome Pantot,

I am sure that we will all benefit from your extensive knowledge of mongering in the Philippines.

I only perceive one issue, and I am sure that this has been observed, by many members, in some of your recent posts.

I don't wish to bore all and sundry, so just one example should suffice. A poster (in response to a question of yours), stated that you should be aware that he had been to Philippines, because of his earlier responses to your Zamboanga posts. You failed to acknowledge his statement, but instead you proceeded to comment about the safety or otherwise of Zamboanga. [/QUOTE]Kitsune9,

Maybe you haven't read the antecedent posts deeply to catch the genesis of these big time posters beef with me. I made a brief comment that I would like to visit Zamboanga one day, I said I wouldn't hesitate because I am an adventurer but cautious and noted repeatedly that travel in western Mindanao was always to be made with discretion in every post I made. I was then castigated by two experienced Mindanano travelers who advised against my advice that Zamboanga was 'safe' or that I advised newbs to go there which I never did. Then I was repeatedly slammed by the frequent phils traveler you site with no apparent personal experience in Mindanao who "knew" the lay of the land better than I did. When called out to produce his bona fidas he was silent.

He is the one who repeatedly calls me out to answer some "questions" I am supposedly dodging. If he will ask those questions I will answer them. First hopefully he will kindly give his experiences in Mindanao I hope finally to go with his petty snipes. Forgive me I forgot his name. He will surface I am sure.

Pantot's guilty as charged and I'm a glutton for punishment.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1651370]Vinegar is well known for its supposed health benefits. The most renowned is vinegar "with the mother", and in particular organic cider vinegar with the mother. I used to drink it about 40 years. Must be great as I still look so young![/QUOTE]It's become quite a "fad" product in recent months but it has an awful side-effect in that it adds a new dimension to body odor.

I have a friend who has given up taking it because it made his sweat smell rather unpleasant.

His wife noticed the change in body odor so naturally enough he stopped taking it as he is a scrupulously clean person and now his situation is back to normal.

It may not affect everyone in the same way but this is just a heads-up for those who tend to sweat a lot to check and see if it is affecting your body odor in any way.