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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1749762]I don't think many of the girls could do it by themselves. Even from modest circumstances, not many girls in their 20's will venture out on their own, without being "encouraged" or without having some support system. What landlord is going to rent a flat to a young girl who can't speak German and can't prove that she has a legitimate income (I. E. Stable employment in which she pays taxes).

The girls seem to go home every two months, and some stay as long as six months, so my question is how are they getting this money home to Romania? And where are they stockpiling this money while they are working in DE? Are they keeping thousands of EUR under their mattress in Offenbach? I don't think it is being deposited into DE banks. It wouldn't be smart to bring thousands of EUR across the border. There are a lot Romanians working abroad in Western Europe, so there are certainly legitimate money wiring services that can transfer cash money for a fee. These services probably cater to the many Romanian housekeepers, construction workers working "under the table" or "in the black", but these people aren't wiring large sums or making frequent wiring transactions, whereas the girls would be. So that option is probably out for them.

They need probably an illicit organization. Or people helping them that will take a cut. I suppose that is better than paying taxes on that money. IDK.[/QUOTE]I've this doubt in mind too, if you ask girls, they'll say they send the money back to romanian every several weeks (depends on how fast they reach a certain amount), but I don't think they use de banks or WU.

Last Decembre I was talking to one girl who stayed home for holidays, she mentioned something like she will get all her money back in June 2015; another one says her family back home can withdraw cash only at 2nd of every month from the "bank". So I suppose there must be a sort of organization or system working in between.

A girl I had known for a few years once asked me for help. She wanted to give me 9,900 euros to wire to a bank account in Romania. Seems that 10,000 euros is the limit. I did not agree even though she kept on assuring me that other clients had no problems doing this transaction before.

Interesting insights.

TT123,

Probably a good idea to not abet her tax evasion scheme.

"If they want to risk the banking system, money launderers break up large amounts of cash and enlist different people to make deposits below 10,000 Euro – the threshold for any entities receiving money to report a transaction. This is called 'smurfing'. However, if you're a criminal thinking of using this technique, be warned. The 10,000 Euro limit is not an absolute. Investigators can check repeat amounts under this figure if they have been made several times using the same bank account. ".

[URL]http://www.thediplomat.ro/reports_1206_1.htm[/URL]

Romania number #2 worst tax evasion offender, behind you guessed it Italy #1:

[URL]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/tax-evasion-hits-romanian-budget-hard-1[/URL]

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1749762]They need probably an illicit organization. Or people helping them that will take a cut. I suppose that is better than paying taxes on that money. IDK.[/QUOTE]Yeah PIMP The word I only heard on hip hop music until I begin my FKK venture where I get to know such occupation actually exist.

It was surprised to know some pimps make millions doing this and sometimes you see them in FKK clubs.

McA,
Thanks for the advice. It did not occur to me that it could be a tax evasion scheme. What I was worried about was that she could perhaps be attempting to bypass a pimp, and I would then risk getting beaten up!

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1749846]McA,
Thanks for the advice. It did not occur to me that it could be a tax evasion scheme. What I was worried about was that she could perhaps be attempting to bypass a pimp, and I would then risk getting beaten up![/QUOTE]It's likely that the tax folks blocked her ability to send cash via Western Union after too many transfers without any taxes showing from her. It is not uncommon for girls to look for other people to help send their money home since their name is blocked or flagged by the tax folks. Likely not trying to bypass a pimp. If that were the problem, she could just go to Western Union and wire the money herself.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1749816]Interesting insights.

"If they want to risk the banking system, money launderers break up large amounts of cash and enlist different people to make deposits below 10,000 Euro the threshold for any entities receiving money to report a transaction. This is called 'smurfing'. However, if you're a criminal thinking of using this technique, be warned. The 10,000 Euro limit is not an absolute. Investigators can check repeat amounts under this figure if they have been made several times using the same bank account. ".
[/QUOTE]Despite that rule, "for years, Hong Kong's most prolific money launderer was a teenager named Luo Juncheng, who originally opened a Bank of China account with a $500 deposit. During the next eight months, he made nearly 5,000 deposits, and more than 3,500 withdrawals electronically, moving $1. 67 billion offshore before attracting notice. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2013 bad news for the smurf, and his clients.

Other smurfs come to attention of authorities through their flamboyant lifestyles. In March, another Hong Kong resident, Carson Yeung, was sentenced to six years for laundering $91.27 million through his bank accounts between 2001 and 2007. A former hairdresser who'the since bought the UK's Birmingham City football team, he claimed he had accumulated hundreds of millions of dollars in profits from stock trades, a hair salon, and gambling. ".

Read more: [URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/beginners-guide-to-money-laundering-2014-10[/URL].

Perhaps the banking system has gotten more sophisticated since those days long past in 2013? On the other hand, I doubt the girls are transferring amounts anywhere close to 91 million dollars or 1. 67 BILLION dollars.

I feel like I'd be a great money launderer. My only problem is that I don't have any illicit money to launder in the first place. First world problems I suppose.

Something I was curious about. So, I have read that the tax for the girls are 25 Euros a day at certain places. I understand that the money the girls make are cash so it's not booked, unless perhaps some places do. So, is the 25 flat tax the only tax that non-Germans pay? I mean if the funds show up electronically somewhere to be significant enough, that is income that had to come from somewhere that the tax authorities would notice. If a girl for example makes 600 per day, and flat tax is 25, that's 4% tax she is paying. So, I'm guessing that's where the laundering comes in. If the girl has to launder her money, that means they are required to pay additional percentage of their income, correct? So that means, Ro has to pay additional if they hit a certain threshold of income after the flat tax, no? So this doesn't only apply to German WGs?

I have read that Ro pay fixed, and Germans are required to pay addtional on top of 25. For the girls of German nationality, how are the additional tax figured on top of the 25?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1749816]Romania number #2 worst tax evasion offender, behind you guessed it Italy #1:

[URL]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/tax-evasion-hits-romanian-budget-hard-1[/URL][/QUOTE]Romania is high, but lots of sources show that Bulgaria is higher and there are many other countries that the shadow economy is greater than Italy. I suppose there are some correlations that can be drawn from it. Like country with most poverty.

[URL]http://www.econ.jku.at/members/Schneider/files/publications/2015/ShadEcEurope31.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://www.atkearney.com/financial-institutions/featured-article/-/asset_publisher/j8IucAqMqEhB/content/the-shadow-economy-in-europe-2013/10192[/URL]

I recently read an article that said that Greeks and Greek companies paid up hardly any taxes this year after Syriza took over. They should therefore top the list when the data is reported next year.

At the other end of the scale, I guess that Switzerland is so low because they officially allow taxation on wealthy residents to be legally mainly 'avoided', so no need for evasion.

I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. It just turns me on somehow. Anyone have some recommendations?

I have tried Blue Note in Dusseldorf. It was pretty small but is now closed. Also, I once tried Eva's Club Tabulos in Mönchengladbach which was tiny. Just room for 6-8 people in couches around a coffee table. That size was perfect (although not into the sex without condom that was offered). This club closed a few years ago, so looking for alternatives. It could be partytreff clubs also, but I tend to prefer the FKKs. Anyone?

[QUOTE=DrDoGood;1750057]I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. It just turns me on somehow. Anyone have some recommendations?

[/QUOTE]The swimming pool side BBBJ is quite popular in FKK Sharks right now. If you want to have FS in the open, you can choose one mattress near the outdoor bar of FKK Sharks. Have fun!

[QUOTE=DrDoGood;1750057]I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. [/QUOTE]Sounds like partytreff clubs and some of the AO clubs are more your style since they have plenty of public sex. Check out those threads / forums. Maybe a place like Totalclub Osnabruck.

As for public sex in FKK's it happens but not frequently.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1749856]
I feel like I'd be a great money launderer. My only problem is that I don't have any illicit money to launder in the first place. First world problems I suppose.
[/QUOTE]Might come in handy if ever you need to dodge alimony payments to baby mommas. It's really about hiding money and under-reporting earnings.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1749846]McA,
Thanks for the advice. It did not occur to me that it could be a tax evasion scheme. What I was worried about was that she could perhaps be attempting to bypass a pimp, and I would then risk getting beaten up![/QUOTE]Well, I don't think we can completely rule out the fact that she was going behind her pimp's back with that proposition she made to you. It really depends--her "manager" may be an innocent boyfriend from the village back home. If that was the case, he probably would have welcomed your assistance. However, her "manager" may be someone whom she has a strictly business relationship with. The manager may be tapped into the criminal network that can get the money to Romania under the radar for a 10% commission. If that's the case, then you wiring the money for her would have cost the pimp 1000 EURO. Think an ass beating might have been justified in that case! Underreporting earnings isn't taken lightly, whether it be the taxman or the "manager" who is taking their cut.

Getting beaten up might only have been the short term concern. Best case scenario, authorities may come asking you questions. Worst case scenario, they prevent you from entering the country again--forcing you to prematurely retire from your FKK career.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1749878]
So, is the 25 flat tax the only tax that non-Germans pay?
[/QUOTE]"Prostitution is legal in Germany but sex workers must pay income tax on their earnings like any other freelancer. ".

They are supposed to register with tax authorities, but they never do. My understanding is the 25 EUR flat tax was just the German authorities giving up. I mean these girls are constantly entering and leaving the country and some don't last long in the business at all. I don't think they have the manpower to chase these girls, especially when its hard to prove cash earnings.

[URL]http://www.thelocal.de/20121004/45363[/URL]

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1749878]
I mean if the funds show up electronically somewhere to be significant enough, that is income that had to come from somewhere that the tax authorities would notice.
[/QUOTE]Thats the point, she would minimize the amount of electronic funds in her name. She aligns herself with a criminal organization. That criminal organization may have "legitimate businesses" in both Romania and Germany. So she gives 10000 EUR cash to a man in Frankfurt. And a week later, 9000 EUR cash is available for pick up in Romania. Or her unemployed pimp-boyfriend drives the money back to Romania every week.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1750244]Sounds like partytreff clubs and some of the AO clubs are more your style since they have plenty of public sex. Check out those threads / forums. Maybe a place like Totalclub Osnabruck.

As for public sex in FKK's it happens but not frequently.[/QUOTE]He can fuck in the kino of any FKK, if the girl is willing, although the kino at Oase will be the most public of the ones that I am aware of.

[QUOTE=DrDoGood;1750057]I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. It just turns me on somehow. Anyone have some recommendations?

I have tried Blue Note in Dusseldorf. It was pretty small but is now closed. Also, I once tried Eva's Club Tabulos in Mnchengladbach which was tiny. Just room for 6-8 people in couches around a coffee table. That size was perfect (although not into the sex without condom that was offered). This club closed a few years ago, so looking for alternatives. It could be partytreff clubs also, but I tend to prefer the FKKs. Anyone?[/QUOTE]Check the Bernds thread. It's a house. Literally with a basement, and little bar, and looks like a normal home inside. Awhile back, I've heard they have times when they promote public sex, and the session will be on the house. Not sure if it still happens. I think it was the most intimate atmosphere I've ever been, and can't Imagine getting anymore than that.