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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542153]It would make much more sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.
The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' which will lead to a higher Inzidenzwert, and which will lead to a never ending lockdown. Like this the magical threshold of 35 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants during the last 7 days for reducing the lockdowns will never be reached.[/QUOTE]This time I agree with you, but you could also say that the more you test, the closer you get to the real Incident Value. The only way to approximate without bias would be to make random tests, but I don't think the subjects will agree.
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Entirely agree. BTW: the harsher the lockdowns the better they work. See New Zealand, Australia, and many parts of Asiapac, e. G. China, S Korea. Did you see the final of the americas cup? Wow. 10's of thousands of people raving in the harbour with few having masks on.
The only problem is: FKK sucks in the far east (incl OZ).
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542265]Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.
Sweden: no lockdown.
OUTCOME: 10 times deaths than in Norway, 9 times deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times deaths than in Denmark.
Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.
Strange logic at work.
Yes, lockdowns don't work if you want to exterminate the population.
Sweden is on par with Brazil. You can only hope that Brazil is underestimating its deaths. As Bolsonazi said: "we're not a country of faggots".
They did better than Switzerland. For about a month.
They did better than Ireland. For something like a week in April 2020.
What a great model![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542218]For example physics curriculum Gymnasium in Bayern 7th to 12th grade:
[URL]https://t3lbbwn7llli6bzhyacucah7ze--www-gym8-lehrplan-bayern-de.translate.goog/contentserv/3.1.neu/g8.de/id_26436.html[/URL]
[URL]http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D26437[/URL]
[URL]http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D26438[/URL]
[URL]https://t3lbbwn7llli6bzhyacucah7ze--www-gym8-lehrplan-bayern-de.translate.goog/contentserv/3.1.neu/g8.de/id_26439.html[/URL]
[URL]http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D27147[/URL][/QUOTE]Browsed that curriculum. I'm impressed that children in Grade 7 are learning physics. That's amazing!
Further evaluation of the curriculum appears that they are taught bits and pieces every year rather than an intensive course condensed into a year. That actually seems like a better way to actually slowly learn and digest the material. That being said, the early years must be a very survey type course as the program does not introduce quadratic equations until later. Regardless, the idea of school age children learning even the basic concepts of physics makes me happy.
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In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??
P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?
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It would make sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542210]At my old time, considered best at school in France were those who were good at maths, and those who were really good went to Louis LE Grand, Saint Louis for me, then engineer high level schools, not as good went to business schools, lower level to universities or medical and I never understood this because for me more than 7 years for medical is more difficult than 5 years for the best engineer cursus, when I met many inefficient high level schools engineers, when from my experiences French doctors make good job, even not exact science like mathematics and I lost too many beloved around me.[/QUOTE]Good think my undergraduate education was at an engineering school. In the US when medical salaries are higher than the rest of the world, medical education is much more competitive and you do not enter formal medical education until you complete an undergraduate degree. The European system is more efficient as you do not need the level of education that the US requires to practice medicine. At the same time, perhaps that leads to medical personnel being selected from a less talented pool.
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What I find amusing is that when he specifically says to compare Sweden to the rest of the world, and then given the data he specifically asked for, he suggests that another man is psychologically manipulating him and just moves the goal posts and cherry picks UK and Italy specifically. I wonder why he specifically only wants to include nations who suffered a bulk of casualties before implementing lock downs? Perhaps also to use oversimplified data to make his case while ignoring data that rebukes his assertions.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542265]Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.
Sweden: no lockdown.
OUTCOME: 10 times more deaths than in Norway, 9 times more deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times more deaths than in Denmark.
Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541147]Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.
Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2541157]Put Sweden against the world, it fails.
Against Europe. Fails.
Against Scandinavian Peninsula: Fails.
Deaths:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL [/URL].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542198]when I m quite dry fit with the look for climbing.[/QUOTE]I understand, so you mean tiny little guy with the upper body strength of a 10 year old.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542198]then You really clean your lungs at 2500 meters high and can fuck covid ...[/QUOTE]If only you would have told Sagan this, then he wouldn't have caught covid, so now he has no chance for Milan. San Remo. He is clearly not as fit as you.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542198]when my French bicycle reached at least 5 times top of much steeper Zoncolan, even more up to top of much steeper Mortirolo and discovered Col de Loze with 24% steep and a real wall on top on last Summer.[/QUOTE]Sure, publish your Strava, then I'll believe you. The thing is, every single time you say something that can be verified, you were proven wrong.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542191]I like UK people and Scottish and Irish, but they made a really bad after brexit killer gift to Western continental Europe. Germany, Spain and Italy forbid Brits, to protect versus mutant, but France still allow them through tunnel.[/QUOTE]The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542279]Entirely agree. BTW: the harsher the lockdowns the better they work. See New Zealand, Australia, and many parts of Asiapac, e. G. China, S Korea. Did you see the final of the americas cup? .[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the harsher the lockdowns the better they destroy the economy also. And they work better if the population has some discipline, with some good social welfare, and if they're used early and in short bursts.
And in the case of new Zealand and Australia living, they're islands so that can help.
Well UK is an island too but it's ruled by a clown and I guess more travelers come and go from the continent. And the density is not the same.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542284]In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??
P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?[/QUOTE]As a claimed addicted by those who can t go as often as me, but I don t blame Germany who try their best to protect their citizens, when too many deaths under second wave, when lack of vaccine, when AZ will only be given to between 55 and 75, Angela even being ready to buy sputnik Vladimir as soon EU will allow it, when Hungary didn't wait for EU allowance to buy, reminding of the past. With elections for after Angela, when she fell on last week end elections, under covid and deaths, not sure brothels are the best point to be elected. For those who are in hurry, some clubs are open in Switzerland out of ZH. I was quite close 1 week ago and I used to go when I went there as soon I finished, when less than 3 hours driving to go and could test pushing to Lörrach. De, but even had a pretty target seen at Zeus to discover at Cleo. Be, but I preferred to return home to watch ski. After watching ski I could watch later when they replay on Eurosport, I thought: what happen, just not in the mood when I miss so much ski, won't be again for second Winter, will have to wait maybe for Summer ski, if can reach Klein Matterhorn from Breuil Italy.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542153]
The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' [/QUOTE]Exactly what the Swedish authorities understood in March last year. So they discouraged testing.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542284]In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??
P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?[/QUOTE]Then explain me the 'logic' behind the Inzidenzwert, and why this is not a percentage of the number of tests, but instead a fixed number of 'positive cases' per 100000 inhabitants?
More tests = more 'cases,' and yet the Inzidenzwert of 35 remains fixed. This is complete bullshit and this will never lead to lifting lockdowns! (or opening FKKs for that matter).
My statement about German doctors, engineers and scientists was sarcastic, because how come that nobody in Germany seems to notice this? There seems to be NOT A SINGLE scientist in the German government who can say: "wait a minute, a fixed Inzidenzwert + an increasing number of tests is bullshit. " Are they all brainwashed and part of a new cult again?
Reality is unfortunately, that Germany (Merkel + her sock puppet Ursula von der Leyen) are controlling the EU, so many other nations look at Germany and scratch their heads wondering why;.
*) they can't even count.
*) they can't even organise a vaccination campaign.
*) they can't make a reopening plan.
*) how corrupt politicians have been able to fill their pockets with 'masks-deals'.
Under Merkel, Germany has fallen from a leading 1st world nation to a at best a 2nd word banana republic, and I'm not even talking about the potholes in the streets and the crumbling digital infrastructure.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542183]Sure, what is the alternative solution from your point of view?[/QUOTE]Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.
The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL] (page 7).
It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.
That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.
