Bangkok Reports

In Bangkok for the last 2 days. Decided to call a Russian lady. I prefer 30 yrs – 35 yrs. They are more comfortable with their bodies and know how to give and get pleasure. Besides they are not in a hurry.

She came to my room and gave me an excellent massage, using her elbows. Looks like she was trained by an expert Thai masseuse. Then she proceeded to take off my clothes and her own. Pushed me back on the bed and told me to let her do all the work– I was happy to comply. Started with BBBJ and took me to a very pleasurable release. Was in no hurry to leave till I sent her away at midnight since I had an early morning meeting. Leaving today for Singapore.

Hope to be back in BKK next month.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2060203]The point is thai wages have increased almost 3 fold since 2001 which is the reason for 5 k LT when it used to be 1. 5 k back in 01.

Regardless thailand still has an amazing offering as far as I am concerned. The main problem for me is Koreans taking all the hot girls.

Income inequality in the USA is also high but most Americans are too fucking stupid to know that. And it dies matter because of the USA wages had increased at the same rate as thai then 5000 BAHT would be seen as cheap.[/QUOTE]Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing posted some photos and some reports. They charge 700 RMB. A little over 100 USD and the gal is stunning, white skin, pink nipples, no baby, and performs. I would have no issue at all paying that in BKK for something of that quality. That is not what is on offer. And sorry, Beijing is a far more expensive city to live in than BKK and salaries are higher.

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.

[QUOTE=Nympholepsy;2060270]You Happy,

Look it varies by personality of the girl a lot and by what you negotiate, and how much she likes you. Definitely some bar girls are bolters that will not go over 1 hour if you did not negotiate something longer. Some girls will be trying to get away with 30 min quickie. Many bar girls were seen to go with a customer and return in less than 30 minutes, from a short time room.

I never get done in less than 1 hour and generally take 90 minutes on days that the ST Hotel is quiet, sometimes longer, however girls do start complaining "When are you going to cum? If taking a very long time. Very irritating.

Most bargirls are expecting to give one pop only I believe. If you want more, you should raise the issue with them. If you want more than 90 minutes, might be worth discussing that too. I had a freelance girl that was on a pretty good deal, getting more than normal for 90 minute sessions. When I went over 90 minutes one, day, she complained and pleaded for extra money (probably was broke), but I thought she was well paid already. So did not give what she asked for (too much). Put me off her really, She never haggled about the money so much previously. Haven't done her again recently. She was a good fuck but not really that pretty.

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2060610]Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha! Amusing since most punters in Thailand take a very different attitude, a harder one, where they believe they are paying far too much for a bargirl already, and expect the girl to stay the whole night for just 500 to 1K Baht extra, which is really quite unreasonable, causing most top girls to be not interested in very long bookings. For good money they may change their attitude.

I suspect that certainly if you liked the girl for the initial period to the first pop, and then offered extra money to go round again, they might be into it, unless their pussy is already hurting.

It's not so applicable to me since I always take so long to get to the first pop. I have tried to offer girls extra money to stay on till morning in the past, and very few accepted, however that is a very different thing to extending a ST. Some girls just do not want to do Long Time at all.

If you managed to choose a girl with low stamina, there is little chance your extension plan is going to work. All my regular girls have good to very good stamina to fuck for a reasonably long period, but plenty of girls do not. So nothing is guaranteed.

Some bars have started to introduce rules where, a certain category of girl, perhaps Coyote type, is due back to the bar by a certain time, based on your barfine, and that due time may be unreasonably just 1 hour later. Dolls House had silly rules like this for some girls. Make sure you do not get a girl of this type. Traditionally there was only 1 barfine, and girl was not obliged to return to the bar after the ST or LT whatever it turned out to be.

I see people overthinking, making too much planning, setting a "minute by minute agenda" for their first visit to LOS.

Take it easy guys, this is not a marketing action and there is no need to make a business plan.

I understand the weeks or months before the first trip are exciting, but there is no need to overdo.

ISG is full of information to give you an idea on what you will see and find.

Get into the field and spend an evening browsing the different options, bars and gogo. Sit in a bar at nana and watch what goes on, look at the people (girls and punters) going in, out, observe the flow and see what is going on.

Don't be a target of smart girls, but still enjoy what comes on the tray.

I agree with bionicman. Once you know about the main areas like Nana and Soi Cowboy, as well as having a general idea of price, you are set. Just arrive and go with the flow.

IMHO Bangkok has way better girls but pattaya has a much more relaxing vibe. I can't stand Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2058128]Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.

There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.[/QUOTE]Yup! You are right. The names from 15 years ago all sound the same. Maybe Annie's. But it was Thermae I went to and couldn't see any reason to return. Ever.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2060357]A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort). I'm not bragging at all- just want to share so if you are looking for a different experience then you can ignore.

Sat on a couch awkwardly and tried to loosen her up. At least she didn't ask 5 seconds "upstairs?" like the first one. So we hand-roamed a bit but she was obviously waiting for me to want to get it over with. Fine. It's under $20 so just get it over with then I can say I've done a BKK BJ bar.


I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.[/QUOTE]Not sure who you are trying to impress, but this is just off them mark. What's with all the remarks about teeth? Maybe you're compulsive so that's why you can't appreciate BKK bars / message. Best if you stick with the 800 USD in USD that you mentioned. I also used to live in NYC and have the $$ to spend in BKK, but you're report is off the mark.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2059878]I agree that Western tourists are less and less important and fewer in number. That goes for P4 P as well and will continue to be the trend. Hope the mainlanders don't start into the P4P scene here, but I am afraid they will. As far as prices and development here; that's all up in the air at the moment. It's one step forward and two steps back. Other nations in the region are viewed as more stable and some are becoming more and more friendly to foreign business and investment. And educational systems in places like Vietnam are improving rapidly. Vietnam now has the 12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet. They also have a larger population than Thailand and seem to be very serious about improving infrastructure. If Thailand is going to stay ahead in the region it needs to get it back in gear. Check out the growth rates here compared to other SE Asian nations. Not looking so hot at the moment.[/QUOTE]Dude, I've lived in VN for 16 of the past 20 months. That is insane you say "12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet". Did you get that from Fox News or a Drump mouthpiece? Education sucks there. It's not even in top 50 (how would it be better than so many western european countries for example? It is, however, true that VT graduates work super hard and can beat people from wealthy countries in their knowledge of things like computer programming for mobile. But it's a F##ing one party run country. Authoritarian system. How the F is it better than wealthy countries in asia like Korea, Japan, Singapore. And then W. Europe etc. ?

I remember this forum 15 years ago when people were careful about facts vs. BS. Sad day to see so much mis-information here.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2060589]Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.[/QUOTE]I've never been to mainland China and hope I never do. I live in Saigon and am from E Coast usa. So, what is "Kitty Beijing". In Saigon you can bone a stunner girl same as you describe for just $75. But she's VN which is far more nice than mainland China where all is just money. However, these perfect girls are escorts who don't speak English. You need to be a bit more adventuresome and also text them with BASIC VN or hire someone to translate from escort sites to meet at a hotel room. Is that the same with these wonderful Bening girls? Are they are easy to go with for someone not too familiar w / China. Let's compare apples to apples, not to oranges, for BKK.

I have been talking to a representative from celebrity providers and I found out that there are a lot of Hollywood and Bollywood celebrities who are escort but for a very large fee. Obviously I can't pay for their services because its expensive and I hear they say its a service for multimillionaires.

"Feel free to contact us at any time, and if we are unable to take your call, please send a message through the contact form and a representative will respond to you as soon as possible."

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2060670]Dude, I've lived in VN for 16 of the past 20 months. That is insane you say "12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet". Did you get that from Fox News or a Drump mouthpiece? Education sucks there. It's not even in top 50 (how would it be better than so many western european countries for example? It is, however, true that VT graduates work super hard and can beat people from wealthy countries in their knowledge of things like computer programming for mobile. But it's a F##ing one party run country. Authoritarian system. How the F is it better than wealthy countries in asia like Korea, Japan, Singapore. And then W. Europe etc. ?

I remember this forum 15 years ago when people were careful about facts vs. BS. Sad day to see so much mis-information here.[/QUOTE]Have a lot of friends that are teaching in VN now. Some for several years running. Schools are improving by leaps and bounds. And no BBC [URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33047924[/URL] and OECD rankings. In fact, beating the US and OZ in test scores as well http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/will-vietnam-continue-to-beat-australia-in-education-20150720-gigaab.html.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2060357]A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort).
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I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.[/QUOTE]Next time you might want to try Bit Style: [URL]http://bitstylemassage.com[/URL].

It just has uhm. A bit more style. Nice clean place, good looking girls (real 7's and 8's, unlike most BJ bars), good service.

It's not really a BJ bar, you can get massage and FS there as well, but you can go there for just a BJ for 1300 Baht. It's all the way down on the price list.

I have been there 3 or 4 times now and was never disappointed.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2060706]Next time you might want to try Bit Style: [URL]http://bitstylemassage.com[/URL].

It just has uhm. A bit more style. Nice clean place, good looking girls (real 7's and 8's, unlike most BJ bars), good service.

It's not really a BJ bar, you can get massage and FS there as well, but you can go there for just a BJ for 1300 Baht. It's all the way down on the price list.

I have been there 3 or 4 times now and was never disappointed.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info.