FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]BC,

May I suggest you use the occassion of your solo visit to hone your radar and selection skills. Technique I use when selecting a new girl is I make a short list of five or six girls I would be interested in based on appearance. Watch each of these girls and how they interact with other customers. When she approaches you, test for chemistry. Is she all business-like, or is she playful and friendly? Is the number of customers she gets better or worse than what you would expect based on her appearance? Do her customers look happy and content returning from the room or do they look pissed off?

If she goes to the Kino with a guy, go and discreetly (this is the key) check out how she interacts with him. Cross girls off your list that show red-flag warning signs. Add new girls to your short list based on their approach if you sense chemistry. When your mind is almost decided, go into the Kino and let her try to close the deal. Here's a clue, if she tries to blow you before kissing you in the Kino, she's probably not going to DFK in the room. Be prepared to make a snap judgement in the Kino.

Also, if there is a girl that you like and have gotten good service from, watch who she hangs out with and select one of her friends. Conversely, for girls that have gotten you to pay for false extras, such as kissing or GFE, do not go with anyone in their clique. You are marked as an easy mark for false extras. Don't be surprised when their friends try to pull the same stunt.

These techniques aren't 100% effective, but they have served you well. Pay attention and think with you head, not your dick.

Cheers,
EL[/QUOTE]
EL offers very good advice to all re Shark avoidance and having a great time at Palace. I have been using some of these techniques, but have plenty to learn.

Hanging with friends of girls that you like has worked well for me too.

It is tougher for newcomers as that don't have a list of regular favourites, but reading the forum can pick up a few recommended girls, if they happen to be your type.

In my last 10 trips to Palace I have only had probably 2 ordinary sessions and only one of them tried the upsell at first which I quickly put down. Both were O.K. fucks and good looking but not enough chemistry to repeat. So apart from that, great girls throughout 10 trips (including many repeats with superstars).

Using EL's tips it should be possible to avoid most dud sessions.

ML

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]BC,

Technique I use when selecting a new girl is I make a short list of five or six girls I would be interested in based on appearance. Watch each of these girls and how they interact with other customers. When she approaches you, test for chemistry. Is she all business-like, or is she playful and friendly? Is the number of customers she gets better or worse than what you would expect based on her appearance? Do her customers look happy and content returning from the room or do they look pissed off?
Cheers,
EL[/QUOTE]

All good advice, you should also watch (on busy days) how long they take with previous customers (something to do when recovering).

What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price.

If kissing is OK then all the rest of the session usually goes OK, COB, full 30 minutes DATY and so on.

At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.

You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.

Your comments, advice, etc. Are all noted and appreciated. Thank you. Since I began preparing for this trip in Jan. I have been watching the board (and others), noting comments and making a list of who's naughty & who's nice.

At first I viewed the FKKs as heaven. Now, I am more realistic. They are heaven, with an edge! As always in this hobby, YMMV. Personal hygiene and manners still count. The ladies are independent contractors who want to make a lot of money and so will tolerate a great deal; but even the most callous gold-digger has her limits. You want to go with a nice package? Then present one as well. Just because you are paying, that's no excuse for not being nice. Just read the reports and the fellows with a good attitude seem to do well enough.

Thanks again for the tips. I would be pleased to discuss this in person, later in April when I visit. (Both Oase and Palace).

Till then, Take care, keep safe and have fun. Myr.

[QUOTE=Mike De H]All good advice, you should also watch (on busy days) how long they take with previous customers (something to do when recovering).

What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price.

If kissing is OK then all the rest of the session usually goes OK, COB, full 30 minutes DATY and so on.

At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.

You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.[/QUOTE]
Normally we don't have to ask for kissing as has already ready started on the couch.

Nina told me she didn't like to kiss but after hanging with her enough time and getting chemistry, when got to room she was a good kisser after all.

Most good girls like DATY as its more restful than getting banged hard and can use up session time when they don't even have to do anything. Some will even allow themselves to orgasm if technique is good. Others are scared to come as may make them too lazy to work properly. But no guy is going to pay extra for it. That's just plain crazy! I have ended up paying extra indirectly as long DATY occasionally makes me go to 60 min session instead of 30 mins. Often I would have gone over 30 mins anyway. With super girls, sometimes 60 mins seems very short.

[QUOTE=Mike De H] What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price. [/QUOTE]

You do get the issue that the girl says "no" and you still want to bang her arse.

Then there is the other issue that she says yes in public but only does light kisses or just avoids kissing altogether after a quick closed lipped peck.

Then there is the situation when you do ask and she says its €50 extra. I guess that means case closed.

When I was visiting FKK Artemis - because it had the FKK Palace feel to it I actually added in "Do you kiss" in the initial interview and then made up my mind from there. Quite a lot of girls at Artemis said that they did not kiss. Because some were so hot looking I just discounted the kissing since I wanted to grab her arse or tits or watch her pretty face sucking my schwanz.

At FKK World - I cannot recall ever needing to ask if she kissed since I always expect it there.

At FKK Oase - I do not recall asking girls if they kiss since just about every one does kiss. There are exceptions - some girls that I have been with used to kiss then no longer kiss - because of health reasons or they have changed their service level. There is also the issue that there is a regular group of girls that I see that I just go with now and they do all the naughty things I like and know how to do me.

At Golden Time - I sometimes ask for clarification if she kisses, especially if they are optifuck material. I do not ask all the time now since I have a group of regular girls that I see. Obvious girls that do not kiss is Lisa (Germany). Many girls say they kiss but really do not get into it and actually light kiss or kiss for a few seconds then try to avoid your face the rest of the time.

At Planet Happy Garden - kissing has always been included for me.

At Villa Vertigo - a mix bag, but in all my sessions there have been kissing but it was probably the - okay we kissed for less than a minute - ticked that off the list - now we move onto the blowjob and get you off.

Yin Yang was generally kissing included. I think just one session there was no kissing, she was German but she let me come in her mouth for extra €25. One girl said no muschi licking but then relented and by the end of the session I had four fingers in there since after a bit of BC tongue loving she was grabbing my hand and forcing digits up her muschi like she needed them to breath, she then demanded a couple of digits in her arsehole for good measure. I was running out of fingers doing this stimulation such that if she wanted more I think I was going to have to using toes. This reminds me that I should get back to the Dutch/German border and visit this place again. The music here is really good.

[QUOTE=Mike De H]At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.[/QUOTE]

Nice way to handle the situation.

[QUOTE=Mike De H]You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.[/QUOTE]

I think some people just do not want the hassle or the stress of dealing with the processors and upsellers. If you do not want this - probably best avoid this club - especially at Messe time. There are two on during the period 1-4 April: Musikmesse and Prolight and Sound Messe. Maybe best to avoid this time if in the Hesse clubs - NRW may be a better choice at this time. I guess World will not be over-run like Palace and Oase will be at this time.

[QUOTE=Mike De H]All good advice, you should also watch (on busy days) how long they take with previous customers (something to do when recovering).[/QUOTE]

See my note in Palace regarding Czech Linda at the start of her career. This is less an indicator of whether a woman will provide a good session than whether her customer is happy. Also, one time at GT, a lass that I had seen in the Kino getting a guy off in ten minutes flat approached me in the Kino. I playfully noted that that she seemed to have rushed her previous customer. Her response, "But he wanted a quickee!". Ok, I took the plunge and had a nice session at a pace I liked. Don't put too much faith in timing girls on standard sessions.

Now if she disappears for hours at a time, that is another matter. Run, don't walk to session with her.

[QUOTE=Mike De H]What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price.[/QUOTE]

Because it is usually not necessary and with some girls it can spoil the chemistry. I usually make new girls seal the deal in the Kino. She will kiss or she won't. If she won't kiss in the Kino, she won't kiss in the room. She's pretty much going to bring everything to the table to try to seal the deal in the Kino. Aside from fucking which some girls won't do in the Kino, she will use every other tool to get you to commit.

[QUOTE=Mike De H]At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.

You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.[/QUOTE]

Your first statement disproves the second. I've had various minor scams attempted from time banditry to inflated and false extras at Oase and GT as well. Only reason I haven't run into it at World is I don't frequent the club. There is a segment of girls that are sizing you up at all of the big clubs to see if you are an uninformed newbee and if they can extract a little more money than they should. You handled it correctly, just say no when confronted with this kind of behaviour.

I use these techniques at all clubs, not just Palace. It's part of the reason I don't like going to clubs without Kinos or couch action. It throws off my selection process.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]You do get the issue that the girl says "no" and you still want to bang her arse.

Then there is the other issue that she says yes in public but only does light kisses or just avoids kissing altogether after a quick closed lipped peck.

Then there is the situation when you do ask and she says its €50 extra. I guess that means case closed.[/QUOTE]

1st situation, make up your mind. It depends how important kissing is to you.

2nd situation, this is the dangers of asking. She technically complied, but not what you are looking for. Better to test in the Kino for a satisfactory level of affection.

3rd situation, here is why you must say no (actually, it's your choice, but it hurts you in the long run).

Post session girl chatter in make up room (with other girls listening):

Girl 1: How was BC as a customer?

BC's girl: Good, he was clean and polite and best of all I got him to pay an extra 50E for kissing.

Girl 1: Really?

How do you think Girl 1 (or any other girl within earshot) is going to respond when you ask her if she kisses?

Has anyone ever had an issue where you or the girl gave you a kiss...and then you decided not to go to the room with her...and she said that the kissing was an agreement to go to the room. Fork over 50 for the kiss?

[QUOTE=Breadman]Has anyone ever had an issue where you or the girl gave you a kiss...and then you decided not to go to the room with her...and she said that the kissing was an agreement to go to the room. Fork over 50 for the kiss?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't start kissing a girl seriously unless I wanted to go with her. A little peck has occurred with a girl after i had made quite clear that I was Kaput at that time, but that I did like her. She was friend of my regular girl.

More on Basjketcase's theme now.

I don't think the particular club is relevant in relation to whether a girl wants to kiss. Much more depends on what culture she comes from, her personal values, whether she or guy has a bad cold, whether guy has very bad breath, whether she feels she needs to do it to get customers, etc.

Kissing passes on viruses and is a dangerous activity for a girl's health.

[QUOTE=Mp Lover]Midnight is not a great time to turn up to Palace on a busy day. If you check my report, I turned up much earlier on same night but was there till 2AM.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=857811&postcount=3941[/url]

Yes it was, but a lot of hot girls. At about 12:30 AM I had my last session. Plenty of girls available. I had Didee and room wait was not too excessive, maybe 4-5 mins. Two other couples were ahead of us but maybe was lucky that 3 rooms became available in rapid sucession.

Sometimes girls assume rooms will be in use just 30 mins and get frustrated when I am in there for 1 hour, so I will stick to many room area in future when place is busy.

I had a great time but once it gets a bit too full, its time to leave and I had work next day anyway.

Please try to get to the Palace earlier. Not many guys early in the evening and heaps of girls.[/QUOTE]I read your, really nice, thanks for the effort.

It was my perhaps 12th or 13th visit at the Palace. You are right, earlier in the day the atmosphere is much better and the choice of great girls a lot better.

But as I wrote I had no other chance then entering the Palace this day so late and beside the crowdness I enjoyed my time.

Best,

Chardonnay

[QUOTE=Breadman]Has anyone ever had an issue where you or the girl gave you a kiss...and then you decided not to go to the room with her...and she said that the kissing was an agreement to go to the room. Fork over 50 for the kiss?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Key is to be a reluctant participant in any kissing. If you start enthusiastically playing tonsil hockey, don't be surprised if she gets pissed off when you back out. Same goes for wanking. You can't be an enthusiastic participant for long without her getting pissed off when you back out.

Just because the deal is sealed with a BJ does not mean it is cool to do anything up to a BJ and back out. Use your judgement.

[QUOTE=Night Bird]... I went there at about 5 in the afternoon, and the place was quite full but one of the gilrs said that it will get more crouded later on. I changed and went to the sitting area, where I wanted to check out the girs before selecting one. The place was a bit dim for my eyes, some girls looked better far away, but when they get closer they are not realy that special. I noticed right away that the general idea was not GF, but rather mechanical.
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After a bit with no girls comming over, not mentioning the asias, I was encountered by a girl from Bulgaria, she was very nice looking and I guess she was sexy, we asked "Are you Game? ", that was a turn off, cause she didn't even take the time to sell her self to me but I felt it will be very mechanical, and she left.

After 15 min I spotted a stunning girl, and I realy wanted her to come over. She did after like another 15 min, I was still tired but I wanted her to sit with me cause I felt that her body can easly get me up and going for round two. We talked for like one min, and she said are you relaing I said that I was waiting for her to sit for a min before going in a room, she left. That was very wierd. I dint even complete my sentance. As a stunner she was I went to her in about 10min and told her lets go and she said that she was relaxting, fuck that.
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Total experiance not bad, but defenetly no what I have expected from reading the forum.

I am comparing it with my experiance in the Swiss-FKK near Zurich. Check my report in Zurich Forum last November.

I will not go to the Palace again.[/QUOTE]Sorry you did not have a better time of it. Thanks for the report, another perspective / type of shark behavior, (reluctant to approach you).

I understand that a messe occurring in Frankfurt can be a blessing and a curse: more women, more men.

To check out the situation I found site: [url]http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en.html[/url] which does not indicate any events or congresses during the period of my visit, April 21 - 30.

Can anyone advise of other sites I should check?

If you are initiating or fully participating in kissing and other physical contact, I can see how the girls would be pissed off if you just walk away. The only exception would be if you told them in advance that you are not going back to a room with her and she says OK.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Nope. Key is to be a reluctant participant in any kissing. If you start enthusiastically playing tonsil hockey, don't be surprised if she gets pissed off when you back out. Same goes for wanking. You can't be an enthusiastic participant for long without her getting pissed off when you back out.

Just because the deal is sealed with a BJ does not mean it is cool to do anything up to a BJ and back out. Use your judgement.[/QUOTE]

Last month I visited the Palace on a Wednesday and had a very pleasant evening.

I was helped with my key by a girl with dark hair in a bleu bikini that bumped in later to me. Half long hair, slim and nice breasts she told me she was from Bulgaria. We went to the room and had a very pleasant session and I had a great look at here beautiful ass as we performed doggy style.

Later in the cinema I rest a little and was ‘attacked’ by several girls. I managed to convince them that I needed a little more time. One, from Belarus I think, however did not leave and we talked a little. The usual small talk. Long blond hair and actually a little fleshier than I really like. She told me she was a good kisser and gave me a deep tongue kiss. Then she took my little friend and gave it a nice massage, while she talked on. She started to kiss again and I decided to let her go. It felt so good. Then she started to give me a BBBJ that even felt better. And after 20 minutes or so we decided to go to the room where we continued and we finished in missionary position. Very satisfactory.

Later that night I came out of the sauna where I bumped into a slim girl, Coco, with long dark hair that I had seen from the start in the smoking room in the back. She stayed there all the time. We had a drink together while I sat on the stool at the bar, she stood in front of me rubbing me. I caressed here nice firm breasts and when I discovered she was Turkish the ice was totally broken. At the room I made the only mistake of that evening to agree a session for 100€. I should not have done that. The session was rather nice but not worth the extra.

Moreover because I had bumped into a two Rumanian girls, Lara and Carmen, and had planned to do a session with one of them. But after the extra for the Turkish girl, my money was finished so I had to go.

All together a very satisfactory night and I regret that I live so far from Frankfurt.

Have fun