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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes, taking back the coins is not good for the image at all if you want to ever go back there. This is actually known as "habitually sticky" (stingy) in Thailand rather than the perhaps more polite western term "cheap charlie".[/QUOTE]
Can't win either way. Thais will either look at you as a "cheap charlie" or a "fool" who is nothing more than a walking atm machine. I'd rather be viewed as the latter, however.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am seeing a trend now where Field reports are written without the poster ever hitting the "ENTER" key.
The whole post then apprears like a big turd in the middle of the page resulting in me not reading it at all (and maybe others).[/QUOTE]
I agree, and just to clarify, every poster should know that long reports look much better and are far more readable if there are several short paragraphs instead of one large block of text which is difficult to read.
I sometimes skip these reports too as they can be too difficult to navigate.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Can't win either way. Thais will either look at you as a "cheap charlie" or a "fool" who is nothing more than a walking atm machine. I'd rather be viewed as the latter, however.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather be thought of as a "cheap charlie" than a walking ATM fool.
In my mind, tips should be earned.
[QUOTE=Beagleface]Just realized I didn't even mention that took a gogo girl back the other night and would up having condomless sex with her. Don't think this was planned. She was very young (she'd said 16 but I dontthink this was possible, since she worked at major NP gogo place), and didn't seem to know or object to anything, except pointed to her butthole and said, No. So unprotected sex with this girl and for me one of the cutest girls in all of NP. Not sure if this was the plan, think we sort of fell into it (she thought I only wanted BBBJ and didn't bring condoms, tho right next to her face on the bedside was my big box of condoms, so. ? ). Right after ranout to pharmacy and bought morning after pill for her--she didn't ask for this but last thing I want for her is to have my kid. [/QUOTE]...Or for you to have her STD's?
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I'd rather be thought of as a "cheap charlie" than a walking ATM fool.
In my mind, tips should be earned.[/QUOTE]
You are absolutely right. In Thailand you are not in the US with its bothering looking for a tip at any situation !
FV.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I'd rather be thought of as a "cheap charlie" than a walking ATM fool.
In my mind, tips should be earned.[/QUOTE]
Thais tip very little or nothing at all. Go figure.
Usually, Thais (at least those that I know) don't respect people (especially foreigners) that pay (or tip) too much (they are considered as "gno" = "stupid"). But they (the P4P girls for instance) may say that you have a "good heart" ("jai dee"). If it is your case, be prepared to frequently hear the "sick buffalo" stories and to be asked to help their family.
If you're obviously a "cheap Charlie" ("kee niaow"), they won't appreciate you either, but at least, you will very likely avoid most of the usual money related tales.
When you pay the "right price", and for a foreigner, it's sometimes exactly the same amount, but often slightly more (maybe 10 to 33% higher in most situations) than what a Thai would have paid, Thais won't say you are a "kee niaow" nor "jai dee", but that you "roo maak" (know much / many things) and that you are "chalaat" (clever). In every purchasing situation, it's better to investigate and to know how much a Thai usually pays before making a fool of oneself.
Fortunately, ISG and other boards exist to educate us foreigners about the reasonable practices!
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I'd rather be thought of as a "cheap charlie" than a walking ATM fool.
In my mind, tips should be earned.[/QUOTE]
Oh yah, I meant to say "cheap charlie". Wasn't sober when i wrote that. Yah, don't spoil these lazy thai servants who are always looking for free handouts. They're lucky enough that we are there spending in their overpriced establishment in the first place.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Oh yah, I meant to say "cheap charlie". Wasn't sober when i wrote that. Yah, don't spoil these lazy thai servants who are always looking for free handouts. They're lucky enough that we are there spending in their overpriced establishment in the first place.[/QUOTE]
The British and Europeans do it all the time. Save your money for beer and booty.
See my report in the Giotto's portion of the forum. Great time I had ! !
[QUOTE=Taloha]See my report in the Giotto's portion of the forum. Great time I had ! ![/QUOTE]Taloha,
Here the link to your report: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=810909&postcount=2535[/URL]
Livingstone's website: [URL]www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]
Giotto
My trip to LOS for 11 days ends.
I am getting very old now :( and too lazy to try many new girls.
In the end had only 4 new girls and the rest were regulars.
Of, the 4 new ones, 2 were superbly exceptional and so go into the phone list of regulars, (despite one of them having a flatish nose but gave a wonderful feeling on the bed even with condom). One other was average or slightly above and one very inexperienced, so wouldn't bother to repeat these 2.
I was even too lazy to go Pattaya possibly because I got hooked up with some very talented girls. Next time I probably must go to Pattaya first before getting caught up.
All the regular girls continue to perform well so there is little incentive to collect new girls unless they are absolutely stunning or the hottest thing on earth.
Sunday: Mick Licker + Giotto, Tulip, LL, “N”, Baccara bargirl
Continued from Part III:
After my all night sex fest with Orchid, I was too knackered to even contemplate going to Nataree that morning, so I got 2 hours of sleep, went for a run in the hotel fitness club and arranged to meet Mick Licker at Livingstone’s. We sat and spoke with Giotto for a couple of hours, mostly on the state of the world economy, Giotto’s favourite topic the state of Thailand corruption, and of course ML’s and mine favorite topic the state of available p*ssy. ML had just landed from Germany which is my regular hunting ground, and we shared some experiences and I believe that we even enlightened the Bestard Giotto on some of the goings-ons in his Heimland. ML is a virtual font of information on the Bangkok scene and has some amazing history playing that field. We also have similar tastes so it was great to pick at his mind. I had Nataree and Tulip still left on my to-do list and at Mick's recommendation we finally decided to head together to Tulip, which I had never been to and has become a popular destination for ISGers.
We went downstairs and to check out the line up of about 8 ladies. I saw 2 that I liked a petite Chinese looking girl awith a very pretty face and another who had the dirty sexy look in her eyes that I look for. After some misunderstanding on my selection, it turned out I had chosen the famous Dao who certainly lived up to her reputation. ML chose the pretty Chinese girl, Ben, whom was fairly new to the business, but apparently very well-trained as he thoroughly enjoyed her.
Dao knows her job very well and apparently has a set session menu. None of that for me. She was obviously trying to get my first seed in the shower, but I can masturbate myself in the shower and don't need help for that especially as she had all of the proper equipment that enable other ways to get off. So I suggested that we move to the bed, where we tried a number of positions, then I asked for her to turn on her stomach and asked if we could use her other hole. She readily agreed. I asked if she had some lube, but she said no need, and I have to say that it was the loosest back door that I have ever had the pleasure to penetrate. No need for the slow entry usually needed for anal sex. Just slid right in there. In fact, I had to check to make sure that I was in the appointed orifice. She has a way of moving her glorious backside backwards to meet my thrusts and after about 10 minutes of pounding, I filled the condom. She then gave a fairly decent massage, which I cut short, so that I could give her a tongue bath along with my patented toe suck leading to DATY. She's a squirter and a very vocal screamer. At about the 90 minute mark she tells me that the session is over. I showed her my watch and told her to lie back down as I wasn't finished eating her p*ssy. No arguments. Afterwards, we tried a couple of positions, but I pulled out before finishing pulled the condom off and popped all over her dirty body. Great session. I understand why Tulip is high on ML's list and how Dao has become a popular destination in her own right. Message to self for next visit: "does she do takeaway?
We walked back to the Lodge, had some drinks with the mamasans and girls, and I was beginning to get into the LL mood of frivolity. Lots of pretty succulent things in the LL sports bar who looked very hot and I was sorely tempted to try some of them. We had noticed the new mamasan, Miss B., when she reported to work earlier and she was very well put together. In the bar she sat next to me and was getting very friendly. I even asked politely if she was available to play and she was, and I began thinking of fulfilling a new fantasy of mine- doing a mamasan. So I invited her to dinner and ML took one of the other ladies. I have read that the food at LL is very good and it did not disappoint. Put it all on my tab. I had to let Miss B know that our mutual attraction would have to be consummated some other time, pleading that I had an early flight the next morning, and needed to pack, which was true. Actually, I had to get back to the Sheraton to meet TLL #1, N, who insisted on coming to my room to say good bye. Said my farewells and thanks to my esteemed friend for a great couple of hours and walked back to my hotel.
I got back to the Sheraton to find N waiting at my door looking lovely in a gorgeous sheath dress. We go inside and I lean over to kiss her, but she turns her face away. I offer her a drink and tell her to join me sitting in the bed but she refuses both. I ask what's up and she tells me that today is her holy day (she called it her "monk day"), which she has once a week and that she can't lie on a bed or have any other type of pleasure that day, including alcohol and good food. Has anyone heard of this before? I was pretty incredulous as this wasn't the way that I had planned to spend my last night in BKK. I told her that I admired her for her beliefs even if I didn't share them, but that I really didn't want her hanging around to watch me pack my bags. That's when she told me how much she liked spending time with me, that the night she spent in my bed was the best night of her life, that she would like to spend the rest of her life with me and could I lend her $6K to get her started in her new business. I explained that I wasn't ready for a life commitment after 2 days of knowing her, nor was I going to give her money, wished her well, promised to keep in touch and walked her to a cab, and gave her cab fare for her return trip.
Ok- so now it's about midnite, I was ready for some action and I still had about 5 hours to go till I had to leave for the airport, so I walked over to Soi Cowboy and started making the rounds. Went to Susie Wong's, Long Gun and some others, talked up some bargirls and ended up upstairs at Baccara. I was looking for a young lithe thing to fill out my dance card. There were some serious hotties dancing up there sans panties and little titties hanging out. I sought the wildest one, who was gyrating the most sensuously on the dance floor and offering wide angle views to the oglers below. There she was, with a mischievous smile, having a great time teasing the pervs below. I barfined her and took her back to the Sheraton. Noi was 18 or so she said, and not the most experienced performer, but I was only after the optifuck for this and she fit the bill perfectly. I sent her home with 1200 Baht and a big smile on her face.
Monday morning:
Time to shower, pack and get ready for my flight. I had spent 62 hours in Bangkok, 50 of which were spent either in the company of women or in the pursuit of some. Where else is there such an abundance of riches, so many opportunities for willing p*ssy? I'm a jaded monger too, just like many of the Bangkok regulars who report here, and I can understand why many of them have become complacent and even disappointed at the current scene when compared to Bangkok's glorious history. But as a sometimes visitor, I have to say that the variety of options and the beautiful willing Thai women make this a unique microcosm rarely found anywhere in today's world. Thanks to all of you who post here regularly and provide so much useful information. It made planning this trip so much easier and unbelievably intense. I have to find more reasons to come back more often. Bangkok Bangs!
Continued from Part II:
Saturday: Annie’s, Biergarten, “K”, Eden girl
My meeting + celebratory lunch (we closed terms of a partnership) went well and ended at about 2:30. Back to my hotel to change clothes and went off to Annie’s, my sentimental favourite as it was the first soapie massage that I had ever encountered. I don’t remember the girl’s name but she was # 28 or #29 and good, and even if Annie’s has lost its luster, the service is still very good and the place looks cleaner and better kept than I remember it. After a quick CIM, she actually gave a fairly decent massage, to which I reciprocated by giving her a massage, which led to a noisy DATY and then a vigorous coupling for my 2nd pop. She earned her 300 Baht tip.
From Annie’s, I walked to Eden to close the details with Bruce for my takeout scheduled for that night and from there I went to Biergarten, just to check on the state of the current FL offerings. It was a Saturday afternoon and pretty packed and I’m sure that if I was so inclined that I could have found someone to take home, but I have to say that the offering was fair to poor. No real stars, and it didn’t seem that too much pickup action was happening at that hour. I had to be back in my room by 5:30 for K.
K is gorgeous. Slim, beautiful features, hips, small breasts, and just the biggest brown wells for eyes. I could look in those eyes forever. She smiled when she saw me just looking at her, unbelieving that this goddess was my date. Another intelligent, educated woman in her mid 20’s, K works in the IT industry, and is unmarried but with a daughter. I took her to dinner in the great Thai restaurant in the Sheraton (pricey, but I put the bill on my expense account), ordered an expensive bottle of Italian wine, and we made love to each other with our eyes in that restaurant. She’s not used to drinking she says, but helped me polish off most of that bottle and we both decided to take the rest of the bottle and our dessert upstairs in my room.
Just magical. She was good, very knowledgeable of her own body and mine and wild. Sadly, she had to pick up her kid and had to leave by 9:30 pm. and had her own work commitments on Sunday (was she throwing my own line back at me?) so we probably wouldn’t be able to see each other again on this trip. If I would ever think about a permanent relationship with a Thai woman, K would match all of the requirements. I promised her that I would come back to BKK after Christmas and I plan on keeping that promise…
I comforted myself with the knowledge that my Eden girl was due to arrive at 10, so I just had a chance to shower and make a call back to the US. At 10:15 she hadn’t arrived yet and I began to worry. At 10:25 I began looking for Eden’s phone number and even dialled their number on my Thai cell phone. It rang for awhile and just then the hotel reception calls that I have “some guests” waiting downstairs and can he send them up? “Guests”? “Them”?- I was pretty sure that I had only reserved one Eden girl at the unbelievable great rate of 3000 Baht for the night.
While I’m wondering if I’m up to being entertained by 2 Eden girls all night, there’s a knock at the door, and it’s Bruce, the Eden papa. It turns out that my lady had come to the hotel on time, but they claimed that they didn’t know me, even though I had given Bruce my room number that afternoon. So the woman had called Bruce at the club and he had come over to the Sheraton, to smooth things over with the front desk. What service!!!! Eden never ceases to amaze me. No anxiety is involved since there's no need to contemplate if the FL or bargirl will provide good service once back at the hotel. This is an Eden girl, good service is more or less guaranteed, they're trained in the erotic arts, are kinky and experienced and at that price for an all night stay is just an unbelievable deal. . Even with a tip of 500 Baht for the lady at the end of the night, it still works out to about $115 USD for the night.
“Orchid” (I later heard from a fellow ISGer that she also goes by the name Nok) was a well, well trained nympho, with nice man-made bolt ons, heavily inked and a voracious undaunted appetite for sex, and more sex, and more sex and more…. insatiable. At one point, I had to ask her to let me rest for awhile, and she was able to restrain herself for all of 20 minutes. She hadn’t eaten so I ordered in some room service for the 2 of us at some point in the middle of the night and that’s about the only time during the night that her mouth was full of something other than me…. At about 10 in the morning, I asked her if she shouldn’t be going, to which she just answered by diving down back under the covers. Just an unbelievable night. She left a little after 11, and would have stayed until she had to go back to Eden. While the thought was very tempting, I was a wreck, and had a full day’s worth of activities scheduled, so I asked her to go. Still, more than 12 hours with a woman like that for $115 USD is just amazing.
continued from part i:
friday evening: “n”
after the business dinner at a really nice french restaurant, tll #1 “n” showed up at my hotel at about 10:30, and she was hotter than her pictures. she’s a consultant for the legitimate spa industry, travels abroad for business, and is looking to open up her own. smart, educated lady, mid 20’s, never married, no kids (this in itself is unique as the vast majority of the tll ladies have kid in tow). we had begun by chatting on tll, moved to msn, and been writing to each other every day for about 3 weeks prior to my trip. at one point, i had asked her, what she would like to do after we go for a drink, and she coyly responded, “i want the same thing that you do.” we went to the sheraton jazz bar for drinks, and n tells me that the piano player (a huge black guy) is married to her “sister”, only they don’t recognize each other. any way we’re sitting and chatting, with me taking every opportunity for some light touches, and i’m not really getting back the same vibe from her. i told her that i have a box of chocolates for her upstairs in my room, and she said, “so go and get it for me…” wrong answer.
after about 2 hours of this, we begin smooching, but no dfk and n remained entirely on her own seat. i begin thinking that maybe it’s time to send her on her way and wondering if i can still get in touch with dark vader. i ask her what she would like to do now, expecting the same answer that she gave me online. instead she says, “let’s go get massages.” i was a little surprised, but she said that she knows a very good place where we can get good oily massages together in the same room. “hmmm”, i think, “she wants to get naked with me in the same room. that works for me.” when we get to the spa, there are 2 masseuse’s available, a man and a woman. i refuse to be handled by a man so she has to be handled by him, which is even better. there ensued side by side very good oily massages, with lots of almost touching of the genitals, no direct stimulation of the boys, but everything wide open and visible. i peeked over at n on the table, her nice breasts visible from the side, the sheet barely covering her pert ass, her legs wide open affording her guy masseuse a good look at her lower attributes. this massage was a great idea. after they were done the 2 masseuse left the room for us to continue relaxing. i pulled her massage table over to mine, and the festivities began. she was so horny from the massage (needless to say, i’m always horny). we made out, and i stuck my 2 fingers inside her sopping p*ssy and gave n her 1st o of the night.
back to the sheraton, where for the next 8 hours, we made love interspersed with dozing off. she had a lovely wiry bush, was a little naïve about some things and had never been orally stimulated, but was willing to try anything including some a fun. i had a business appointment at 10 a.m.. n wanted to stay in the room and wait for me, but i had other plans for the rest of the day including an afternoon tryst with tll lady #2 “k”, so i pleaded business commitments and after breakfast walked her on her way with a vague promise to meet again on sunday depending on my “business” commitments.