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[QUOTE=Ortos]Very rarely do I see somebody post sentences that could be entirely my own. This is an emphatic way for me to say that I fully agree with Iseeu's argument above. Reading several esteemed posters contributions during the past day, I was struck with a feeling that these guys are overly concerned about being outed through there posts....or possess paranoid personalities...or both. I really think lots of guys here are over-estimating the exposure of info posted on this isg site to the girls or even idiot pimps who are involved with FKKs. [/QUOTE]

Hey Man,

Probably correct on a lot of points here, but I would not underestimate how many of the ladies find their way onto this site. Most of the main club's owners and personnel know about it and so do the ladies. Need confirmation? Ask Cordelia.

Having said that, I'm not as worried about being outed by an SP's powers of inductive and deductive reasoning, although I'd be careful not to underestimate this as well.

No, my problem is with the occasional board member who finds it more necessary to use me as a topic of conversation with this girl or that. Oddly enough, it seems to have happened with some guys who I have never met as well as a few that I have only met on a few occasions. Henio is right. This is an odd fetish.



[QUOTE=Ortos]
Now I know there are cases, like Henio has mentioned below, where guys have been outed. But I would argue that these are the rare exception, not at all the general rule. There are some real jerk mongers out there who might even print out a post or series of posts on a specific site and actually hand it to a girl he wants to session with and say: "Hey take a look at this!"
[/QUOTE]

Some are jerks, some just don't seem to know any better. Some get comfortable and let their guard down. Some I suspect may even do it out of spite. Who knows?

[QUOTE=Ortos]
I myself subscribe entirely to Iseeu's school of thought, namely: I very much doubt there is much if any impact on the FKK scen by our posts, and if some girls do occassionaly read this, they must make a giant leap of comprehension and advanced pattern analysis to link a given post with a guys handle here. Even if she moves in one direction, her conclusion will always be shrouded with alot of doubt or uncertainty. If she confronts you, and you say: "Wtf are you on about? I know nothing of Internet chatter, lol..." There will always be such a margin of error in her mind. But in the end, Do you really give a shit if they do know who you are? LOL! Big deal. Let the seller beware....

Ortos[/QUOTE]

Well, yes I do give a crap about it. And what's further, I know that you do too. We both have long since grown bored with the average Optikfick session. Getting a gal's A-Game (preferably without emptying the bank account to get it) is what counts. All the better if we can get it out of what we would consider an Optik-Highlight. Also getting a general level of respect from the girls and the management alike is a priority. You are as aware of this as anyone and I know how careful you are about your own club profile. Now I know some locals who run boards or are prominent posters who do not care if a girl knows who they are and what they write. Mostly they get royal treatment but not always and I know a few top-notch SPs who shun them solely because of their part-time journalism.

I find it interesting that a few board members who never or rarely post detailed report about working gals or make "trip-reports" seem to have escaped the brunt of this criticism. I respect their reasons and am grateful for the low-key, practical info that they DO provide. These guys, like many of the maligned senior members who have been doing this for a while and are examining the club scene on a regular basis share valuable info on this board (sometimes low-key, sometimes not) and are VERY generous when it comes to info (on SPs and otherwise) when met in person at the clubs. One might consider this before climbing up on his or her sanctimonious soapbox.

Truthfully, I DO miss the days of great reporting the likes of which Beffen, Novize, Peter and many others contributed. One of the great things to look forward to is when Tosc or Iseeu write up one of their Hunter Thompson-like reports. Much appreciated and thoroughly enjoyed!!!! The rest of us do our best under the circumstances.

This all seemed to start when one contributor (who BTW has provided tons of useful info and interesting reads on non-English boards) made what was admittedly an out of place comment about another prolific poster's "rookie" status; although I suspect the comment was mostly made in jest. For what it's worth, I would have rather seen that dealt with in a more positive and perhaps humorous way rather than so caustically. The poster in question sees the inside of these places more than most of us put together and making him "feel at home" might have been potentially advantageous for the good of the order. Now, we may never know.
Oh, one other thing: Many of those long Anwesenheitsliste that the "rookie" so generously provides (THANKS, BTW!!!) might have possibly been made achievable not only by the "rookie's" keen eye and memory, but also by the aid, scouting, experience and GENEROUSITY of THAT SAME experienced poster that it was so easy to criticize; or others like him who for whatever reason tend to lurk. Ironic, no?

Cheers,

Dedalus, who were it not for a bad head cold would probably be at the World party right now trying to find a free room with Laura.

[QUOTE=Euro100]go 30 ft to the [i]left[/i] as you exit the Nike store, make a u-turn, then walk 60 ft straight ahead. Should be right there :D[/QUOTE]
Thanks Euro for helping this newbie out!

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think we need a new category for posters who do not post reviews. I propose the term leeches for this category of posters as they prefer to take information from the forum but do not contribute information. So far, three excuses have emerged:

1. I'm special

"She only sucks dick that way for me, so no sense sharing information on her". The Breadman excuse.

2. I'm lazy

"What, take up my precious time writing a review, I could post 50 snarky comments about directions in that time". The Vito excuse.

3. I'll be outed.

If you are in the clubs as often as HB or BC, I accept there is some legitamcy depending on how much info you share about yourself and the women. But seriously, these women fuck 10 guys a day. If you don't post details of conversations or other items that could identify you, how are they going to identify you. I think you are in more danger of being overheard when giving your handle to other guys at clubs.

Let's not forget many of these women have managers, and internet posters are not high on their list of life concerns. For the others, I'm sure ISG is of much less interest to the girls than the German forums.[/QUOTE]
How about adding a couple more.

#4 I am waiting for a trip report
EL's excuse

#5 I love Palace, but hate anyone who likes Bernds
Radler's fav

#6 I really hate Jackyo
EL's & Radler's #1 topic

#7 I hate Vito's snarky remarks

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]How about adding a couple more.

#4 I am waiting for a trip report
EL's excuse

#5 I love Palace, but hate anyone who likes Bernds
Radler's fav

#6 I really hate Jackyo
EL's & Radler's #1 topic

#7 I hate Vito's snarky remarks[/QUOTE]

I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.

Have a good life.

Regards,
EL

[QUOTE=Breadman]For those wishing to read detailed reviews on the clubs, have to ask a question...where do you live and how often do you visit the clubs?

For a poster who's not planning on visiting the clubs anytime soon, what good does a review do him? If a reviewer weights 400lbs, has body odor and turns off the girls...and I as a reader don't know this fact...what good does his review do me? Now Basketcase's listing of 60 something girls, even if he can't get the last 10 or so is information that I can use...because I know the club has alot of talent to choose from. Do I write down the names of all the girls that get good reviews? No I dont, because its up to me to decide who I like and what feedback im getting from the girls. Has nothing to do with any reviews ive ever read.[/QUOTE]

I think you are laboring under the misconception that we want reviews of the clubs. For me, the clubs are all about the women. I could care less about the facilities. So I'm not looking for reviews of the clubs but rather the women.

We all know about YMMV. We also know that one tends to get the best service at clubs and with women one frequents regularly. Your excuses to me are just a cover for laziness in not contributing.

To answer the question, I live in the US, but get over for club visits about six times a year. Mix of business and pleasure.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]No, my problem is with the occasional board member who finds it more necessary to use me as a topic of conversation with this girl or that. Oddly enough, it seems to have happened with some guys who I have never met as well as a few that I have only met on a few occasions. Henio is right. This is an odd fetish.[/QUOTE]

Wait a second. I was under the impression that you and Henio were outed because of posting reviews. It seems that you both were outed because another monger outed you.

Seems to me you should be more selective in who you share your board identity with. I don't see how reviews contributed to your being outed or how posting further reviews will put you in danger of future reoccurances.

I'll give you an example. I was standing in the pizza line last night chatting with BC in English. An English speaking monger broke into our conversation and started asking me if it was my first time there and if I was on any of the boards. In a low voice, I said "we don't talk about such things within earshot of the girls". As the pizza line wore on, he said to me, "Are you on board X". I told him again that this was not a topic for discussion in a crowded room.

At that point, BC and I decided the gentleman in question was a twit and lost him in the crowd. No way I would share my board identity with a twit like that. Of course, I may have just done so, but I'm not concerned because the chances we will cross paths again are remote.

If you are reading this, twit, shut the fuck up about the internet and boards within the clubs.

Groups of English speakers are suspicious to the girls. I have been asked many a time by the girls how I know BC. I suggest that you have a cover story for this situation that is plausible.

You should exercise discretion within the club, never discuss boards, the internet or handles in the clubs, you will be quite safe from being outed. Since the issue really wasn't being outed because of reviews, how about contributing one or two once in a while?

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think you are laboring under the misconception that we want reviews of the clubs. For me, the clubs are all about the women. I could care less about the facilities. So I'm not looking for reviews of the clubs but rather the women.

We all know about YMMV. We also know that one tends to get the best service at clubs and with women one frequents regularly. Your excuses to me are just a cover for laziness in not contributing.

To answer the question, I live in the US, but get over for club visits about six times a year. Mix of business nd pleasure.[/QUOTE]I msotly agree with EL here.

The clubs facilities are not such a big deal, as long as reach some level of acceptability, even if I complain that food wasn't as good as somewhere else. It just doesn't matter. I have never had issues with the showers :D at any club. O.K. World had no hand basins with the showers to clean your teeth, but we make do.

Its about the range of girls that meet our specs and give a good time. I don't care how many bad girls there are as long as more than enough good ones.

Yesterday went to the Palace midday. Had a choice of Nicholetta, Bee, Didi, Mitsu, Kiara, etc. (all known to be great performing girls). It wasn't busy. Probably plenty of other great girls I never even tried yet (some seemed popular).

Getting back to posting reports about girls. Breadman seemed to suggest that they weren't that useful. O.K. a single guy, 400 lbs who stinks writes a bad report. We don't know him, but we can maintain some level of skepticism. If 5 different guys write a bad report on the girl and no-one defends her, then we are starting to believe she may not be real good.

But if I write that I had a fantastic time with Linda, Magda, Bee, Kimmi or Mitsu, etc. and no one disagrees or others confirm, then others can start to build up a list of possibly consistent performers (assuming some chemistry exists) based on general agreement of the forum.

O.K. Different girls have different styles, but a detailed report can give an idea of what style is possible with a girl.

Some guys will get a reputation for reliable advise.

Myrmidion recently looked for girls recommended by several guys on the forum and generally had a great time with great girls. Maybe the odd chemistry mismatch, but was able to avoid the real sharks. His research paid off.

I very much like to get advice from other guys known to have very similar taste to myself. In return I post info on girls who gave me a fantastic time. I put much less effort into talking about girls who were ordinary or below par.

I don't like to blaim girls too much who perhaps didn't feel any chemistry with me at all.

Its great to be able to have a list of girls names that we can be sure will be a good session. e.g. So many have recommended Michelle at Oase. A new guy to Oase can always consider Michelle if unsure.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Wait a second. I was under the impression that you and Henio were outed because of posting reviews. It seems that you both were outed because another monger outed you.[/QUOTE] It was a case of someone having the need to have in depth discussion about my relationship with one of the girls and in that revealing my board identity hence the reports became the issue. When confronted by the girl I told her I had no idea what she was talking about. She then went on reading my reports that I had given out details about our sessions, given the dates etc. and got it confirmed that Henio was indeed me. She felt betrayed that I would have written about the time we spent together. It is not a huge deal really and fortunately she seems to have kept it to her self, but I was never able to get the kind of quality sessions with that girl as I had before.

I have been in this game long enough to understand that it is first and foremost about money, but every now and then you meet a girl that you have great chemistry with and the sessions become pretty damn good. I hate to screw that up like I did that time be revaling too much.

I have no problems sharing info and I will continue to do so in a bit less detail than I used to. I was just overdoing the detail level before to the point it became pretty easy for a girl doing her research to figure it out. She probably would not have started that if it had not been for the indiscretion of a fellow board member so yes, it started out by someone ratting on me, but I would easily had talked my way out of that one had it not been for my detailed reports. This should usually not become a problem unless it is a regular girl you do as it was in my case.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
Seems to me you should be more selective in who you share your board identity with. I don't see how reviews contributed to your being outed or how posting further reviews will put you in danger of future reoccurances.
[/QUOTE] The reviews are what was outed. If it had not been the reviews, nothing is to be outed. That is the link. It is like saying "there is no connection between being drunk and being caught for drunk driving", but you are right about being selective who you reveal your identity to. I for one am much more selective than before after that little incident. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
Groups of English speakers are suspicious to the girls. I have been asked many a time by the girls how I know BC. I suggest that you have a cover story for this situation that is plausible.
[/QUOTE] Yes, often girls ask how to you know so and so. My usual response is that I met him in the club and since we were both non-germans and spoke English we just started chatting and when we meet at club we hang out. When I am asked about things connected to internet postings (which is not often) my usual response acting shocked that anyone would write down such private moments and also that my German is not good enough to parttake in any of that stuff hence dismissing any knowledge of English boards. I have had girls say "you know there is English boards too". "Really, I had no idea" is my standard response followed by "please suck my lolly now sweety".

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
You should exercise discretion within the club, never discuss boards, the internet or handles in the clubs, you will be quite safe from being outed. Since the issue really wasn't being outed because of reviews, how about contributing one or two once in a while?[/QUOTE]


Hey,

Henio has pretty well covered the links between reporting, indiscretion and being outed. As my situation(s) mirror his somewhat, I'll consider that matter adequately dealt with.

As to my reporting: You seem to have been banging that drum in my direction for a while now, while leaving others who report less frequently and contribute far less information than I and others do alone. Frankly I find your "Star Chamber" in this regard to be selective and a bit capricious. But this is of course your right.

I do think that it was a shame the way you jumped on FG for his remarks. They were in all probability made in jest and not meant to be at all demeaning. Plus, although I was not in the room, I'd almost bet you dollars to doughnuts that FG as helped your buddy compile many of those valuable Anwesenheitsliste. Admittedly, this is only a hunch on my part and if I am wrong, then I stand corrected. However BC is too smart to run around a club with a clipboard and pen taking a census, and while he is social, he's certainly not taking every bird aside and pounding them for their Steckbrief details. The man has an exceptional memory and an eye for details, but no doubt generous sharing of info by a few seasoned clubbers helped with those lists. (Very much a valuable contribution! Thanks BC!!!)

FG's posting Bona Fides may not be so prevalent on this board, but they are quite so on other non-English boards and understanding this might have been useful in helping him feel comfortable sharing is knowledge here as well. Rather than jump ugly with the guy (who BTW is about as friendly a dude that you will meet) it might have paid dividends to get to know him first. Instead, well...we know what happened.

Frankly, I just don't get the need to be so argumentative. I'm not referring to healthy disagreement and discussion. I respect that and I have no problem with you or anyone else addressing what you perceive as inaccuracies or expressing another opinion. Also I enjoy your reports and find your opinions valuable and interesting. But I don't get argumentative "edge" or the belligerence. It's one of the reasons that I give board dialogue with you a wide berth. Also probably why I didn’t alter my plans so as to meet up with you last year. I seem to recall you taking great offense at that.

Clearly I'm not your type of board contributor. That is perfectly OK. Clearly you see no value in the information that I provide or in the way in which I provide it. This is also fine by me. Clearly since I write up "trip-reports" less frequently than I use to for a variety of reasons, this diminishes my esteem in your eyes. I can also live with that.

A blessing on your house my friend,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Henio] "Really, I had no idea" is my standard response followed by "please suck my lolly now sweety".[/QUOTE]

You always were a silly ole' romantic there, Hen.

Cheers,

Dedalus

I was doing some research on older postings in the Palace thread, when I came across these exchanges from the spring of 2008. They should be of some interest with regard to the topic of girls reading the forum.

It starts of in March 2008 when a guy gives a girl a negative review:

[QUOTE=Gamma Ray 007]I had intended for my second date to be with Lena, but I couldn't find her for a solid hour so opted for another gal high on my do-list, Sandra, a tall and slim blond girl from Aachen. I explained exactly what I wanted--lots of look, touch, etc., and explained I wanted a half hour with no extras. Our session started off great, especially as she had a world-class pussy as a part of a lovely body. I was giving her a thorough pussy massage when she said, "you can put it in both holes"--meaning my fingers. I didn't, however, put my finger in her bum but did some harmless finger insertion in her vagina. Later she swore she had said, "For another 50 you can put it in both holes," but I have my doubts. Needless to say, all went fine until I was back at the cash locker and paid her the 50 I owed her when she pointed out that I owed her another 50 "for both holes." I objected, and suggested that if she insisted I would be happy to speak to a manager.

She passed the word for the manager, and soon an older gentlemen and woman showed up and "Sandra" unloaded to them--in English, courteously enough. There was considerable discussion in German between Sandra and the lady, and I could tell by Sandra's body language that it wasn't going her way. Finally the manageress said to me, "Let us compromise--you give her another 20 . . ." and Sandra said, "No, I want nothing!"

That was fine with me, as she wouldn't get a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] from me if she was on fire, even if it meant getting the heave-ho for good. The manageress went on to apologize, and encouraged me to not let one misunderstanding ruin my opinion of the Palace, etc.

I really don't understand the mentality of girls like Sandra. She turned a great time into a miserable memory. If she had prevailed, did she think that I would just forget? I made a mental note --AGAIN--to make it absolutely clear that I would accept no upsells once a session has begun.

All in all, though, I did have a great time, but trust that you'll give Sandra a wide berth. Or if not, say, "Well, I would like to do you, but I've heard what you did to my pal Johnny--so go pound sand!"[/QUOTE]As there apparently was a heated discussion afterwards, this episode must obviously have stuck in Sandra's mind. Two months later, in May, comes the reply:

[QUOTE=Sandra Red]Listen: finger inside if ass or not, in pussy is 50 € extra. I told you this. Twice! And you went on to do this. So that meant you accepted it. If you put just in pussy and not in ass doesn't matter, it is 50 € extra. YOU told later to the house-chef I didn't tell you for this extra. That is why I did not got my money. And this is not correct from YOU! Because I told you the price and I made you a good time. I never had problem like this just with YOU. I am always correct to the men. So I want from men to be the same to me: correct. And you did not have been. I always do my best to make men happy. And it is no wonder that girls do not work with heart when they had men like you before, who makes show because of 50 € for extra you got.[/QUOTE]EL is nice enough to welcome Sandra to the board:

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]BTW, welcome to the forum. It would be good to have a woman's perspective here, so stick around.[/QUOTE]Then asks this pertinent question:

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]So I have a question for you, Sandra. What do the ladies at Palace think of these internet sites, the reviews and the men who write them? Don't hold back.[/QUOTE]And gets this reply:

[QUOTE=Sandra Red]Hi radler,

This is the last thing I will write here, just to answer your question: the most girls doesn't take care of the forums, even some don't still know the forum sites. It is ok if everybody write down what really happened.

But: one girl is not to every customer the same. (you know what I mean, my english is not so goo) that means a girl act always different, f. E. Blow job or sex, depends also on man. So one man write she is the best, an other write she is very bad. I think everybody has to make his own experience and not believe everything what is written in the forums.

Bye[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Sandra has only one post after that one (which BTW was also a post replying to a post about herself). But who knows, perhaps she is still out there, lurking and perusing together with her fellow SPs.

Ozzy

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.

Have a good life.

Regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
We are all waiting for your trip report!

Special report for Ekliges Lauern,

I was planning to write a trip report, but Mr. EL really hurt my self esteem with his latest reply. I will try again after I gain some confidence & recover from his personal attacks!

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.

Have a good life.

Regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
Vito Corleone is not worth EL's attention!

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.

Have a good life.

Regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
EL may reconsider if Vito posts a review or contributes useful information to the forum!