Kyiv

Hi,

I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).

I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.

Thanks in advance.

1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beautiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
15. Speak slowly

[QUOTE=Kris420]Hi,

I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).

I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.

Thanks in advance.

1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beautiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
15. Speak slowly[/QUOTE]
You're making the first big mistake... don't try to learn Russian using English characters and intonation. Learn the Russian alphabet first and then start learning sentences/phrases. The alphabet is easier to learn than you think.

To date I have been a mostly passive reader of the ISG gathering information from so many professionals. Serious mongering is currently curtailed but I am able to escape occasionally!

I had the opportunity to return to Kiev last week. Time was short as I was there on business yet I was trying to remember and act on the advice of senior members. In my earlier, regular visits to Kiev I had more time and would regularly score with casual encounters made at the exhibitions or in bars & restaurants.

However it is very different when you have limited time and a strong urge to enjoy some nocturnal pleasures. I therefore apologise profusely to my senior members and their self sacrifice and dedication to the cause of free sex, but I had no choice but to follow the well established p4p route.

Arrival back in Kiev brought many memories. The organisation for which I do some work pays for VIP service at the airport and the Premier Palace. So no more long waits at the airport but I do miss the fun that I used to enjoy in an apartment.

The Premier Palace is very obliging in that they place at Kiev Post in every room. I had 2 hours so I started to call the massage agencies. Found one that promised a beautiful girl would be at the hotel in 40 minutes. 45 mins later a call from reception announced that “my guest had arrived”. They are then escorted by a bell boy to your room – how civilised. Lovely girl with great figure. Took a quick shower and was rewarded by the site of this young beauty in bra and panties. Then followed an excellent traditional massage on my back with the anticipation of more to come. After 30 mins there was a brief pause, a slight rustle as the remaining clothes were removed and then the exquisite pleasure to taught breast massaging my back. The command to turn over was met with eager compliance and was rewarded by the most beautiful young breasts that I have had the pleasure of seeing close up for a long time.

It was clearly indicated that there would be no “intim” or sex and she proceeded to rub her body over mine. Wonderful feelings were then followed by a delicate massage of my best friend. Whilst purists may disagree, the experience of a beautiful naked girl giving a most professional hand job was a most enjoyable experience resulting in release to be proud of! The damage just UAH.350.- plus and additional 50 for the taxi.

Than night we decide to pay homage to RP. My first visit after several years and virtually nothing had changed. It was quite late and we had had a few beers so it was straight to the bar upstairs. My last experiences in RP and in NF in Moscow had been expensive and without any feelings, so I was looking for the GF experience.

Having surveyed the mass of walking talent I chose a sweet looking blond named Mila. Nothing special, but a nice smile. She was comfortable to be with and not demanding so a brief enquiry into the price, US$.300.- and I agreed as I did not want any negotiations to spoil my feelings. Taxi back to the hotel and was wished a good night by the doorman. Mila was a reasonable partner and understood my desire to take my time. Not a spectacular experience but one that left me satisfied and not frustrated with another mediocre experience with a false blond bombshell.

The next afternoon I decided to go for another massage. Another great girl with superb English, and a great sense of humour. Superb massage and very erotic massage with strong eye contact. Having passed on their contact details to my colleagues I found out that they were servicing a great number of us. Must ask for commission next time! I do still have their contact details and if any members want to try this route please contact.

So my last night of freedom was ahead of me. None of my, rather limited, efforts had provided any results so we again decided that the road back to RP was the only choice. To start we went down to the bar and found that there was a superb band playing our type of music. Some very drunk dyevs were putting on a performance of exactly what I hate most, working hard on the guys at our table with a starting price of USD.500.- Exactly what you do not need.

However on the other side of the dance floor were some rather lovely prospects. One caught my eye and within a few minutes she joined us at our table. Attractive, reasonable figure but again comfortable. We talked, laughed and even danced, this was becoming a GF experience. My buddies left to hunt up-stairs and we stayed to enjoy the music. I decided that it was time to leave and there were no discussions of payment. Short taxi ride to the hotel and then the fun began. N is an attractive girl, long black hair and a great smile. Here only weak point are her breasts, rather small and not evenly shaped, however this did not deter me from a really great experience. Once naked we went for each other. We kissed, she kissed, she loved DATY and screwed in almost every conceivable position. But she kept the best for last. Her BBBJ was incredible, deep throat and she was very much in control. This went on for a long time and only ended once she was certain that I could not last any longer. The sensation of providing a highly concentrated dose of vitamins deep in her throat was an experience I have not enjoyed for a long time.

Now I expected the professional attitude with a run to the bathroom. No she looked at me and swallowed. She then curled up next to me and we slept like babies.

I don’t believe that N is a regular working girl, just does this occasionally to supplement her income but maybe I am wrong an some master mongerer will correct me. I placed the US$.300 in her bag and she never checked how much I had given. I have not indicated her full name here but have contact details in anyone would like PM me to also enjoy this superb GFE.

So I was able to leave Kiev with a great smile on my face. Yes I paid and possibly above the regular prices but I had great experiences. I do appreciate that many senior members will not appreciate our easy attitude to payment but with limited time and the desire for a good experience, what choice to us short term visitors have?

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[QUOTE=Kris420]Hi,

I am wondering if one of russian language experts on the site could convert the following messages into russian (of course written in English?).

I just started learning a bit of russian, this would help me when I am in Kiev.

Thanks in advance.

1. Would like to join me for a dinner?
2. Could you come to my apartment?
3. How much do you charge per night?
4. How much do you charge per day?
5. How do you say (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 etc.)
6. Do you do oral without condom?
7. My apartment address is ...
8. My phone number is ...
9. What is your address / phone number?
10. What is your name?
11. Can we go to a restaurant?
12. You are beautiful
13. When will you come to my apartment?
14. I will wait for you
15. Speak slowly[/QUOTE]1. Xotsies vkusat objed semnoj?
2. Xotsies priexat v mojego kvartira?Or xotsies priexat v mayou apartament/mayou kvartiru?
3. Skolka stoji noc?
4. Skolka stoji cely dien s taboj?
5. 100-sto,200-dve ste,300-tri sta,400-ctyrista,500-piet-stov
6. Delayes aral bez kondom/bez preservativni?
7. Maya adressa eta...
8. Muj telefon nomer jest/eta...
9. Kak eta tvuj nomer telefon,tvaya adressa?
10. Kak tebia zavout?
11. Mogeme priexat v restauran?(it does not sound good in russian-better say will you go with me to restarant?-Budes priexat semnoj v restauran?
12. Ty krassivaya debushka/ty oitsien krassivaya
13. Kakda budes priexat v mayou kvartiru?
14. Budou tebia zdat
15. Gavari medleni

They can also in general understand latin characters if you write to them.

Great report Sharalumi, I have been reading this forum with intentions of maybe visiting but now I think I'm really gona go! How long did you have the last girl for & are her details available?

Thanks!

Medv,
Thanks for your nice posts. They are for sure great contribution to understand the non-pros scene in Kiev.

I was not around this forum for a while, so my comments come a little bit late, nevertheless I would like to make some points. I truly believe your stories, and I think your way works out sometime, but not always. More important, it is not the only working approach.
I'm a sex addicted but not a true sex tourist. I come often in Kiev for business, but never for more than 2-3 days. So I have to score out fast and late night (after work). No time for the "kak djela'' approach in Kreshatik. By the way I'm not the McDonald type and I don't regret to use my pocket wallet to accelerate the process and guarantee a 9 or 10 in my bed (according to my scale of course). What makes Kiev great is sex-quality. For me the game is not about sex for free but about blowing my mind in bed with model-like hotties. I can afford some money losses if I save time and I get top sex.


[QUOTE=Medved99]
Rule 1 – Never get a hotel room when you are in town, rent an apartment short-term. Much cheaper, more private, and can accommodate orgies, I mean parties.
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Personally I don't rent apartment. I enjoy the comfort and the luxury of Hyatt Hotel and being there has never been a problem at all. I can say by experience that several times devushkas told me "Hyatt should be a very luxurious place. I've never been there...." If she's hot I easily indulge to invite for an aperitif and then to show my wonderful room :D

Last week I had a problem with my watch and my local business partner asked his assistant to take care of it. She told something like "if you invite me to the spa at the Hyatt after work, I'll be glad to bring your repaired watch". No need to tell to all the fellow mongers how the night ended up :D

This is nothing but what you wrote:

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Treat them better than they are used to, and you will get high rewards
[/QUOTE]

I believe that attitude and skills matter more than staying in an apartment or in hotel. Apartments are just cheaper and more suitable for sex tourists. Fancy hotels can be as well attractive
Many options and many targets in Kiev, not just the young Kreshatik crowd!


[QUOTE=Medved99]
Rule 2 – Always have at least one bottle of Martini Bianco Vermouth. Ukrainian girls get wet just at the sight of this stuff. Mix with a little O. J. Or cherry juice and the girl will probable start taking off her clothes before you get the top back on the bottle.
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Any decent alcohol mixed with something sweet works fine!


[QUOTE]
Do not ask her if she wants to go, just tell her that you want to take her there, take her by the hand, and just go. Do not make the mistake of suggesting going to a club.
[/QUOTE]

You don't even need to tell her anything... Just tell to the cab driver where you want to take her :D
Going to a club is not a hurdle! It could work to continue to melt down your devushka. Very often Kiev girls want sex with you after 5 minutes they know you, but are worried to look like easy girls (isn't funny?). Some court and some clubbing help to avoid waiting for the second night.


[QUOTE=Medved99]
Rule 3 – If the girl lets you put your hand down her pants she will have sex with you. Don’t rush it but be assertive. I have never gotten lucky by sitting back and waiting for the girl to make the first move.
The most important rule is from the time you first speak with these girls until the time you put her in a taxi in the morning, BE NICE. Just be nice and polite and these girls will melt like butter. Their lives are difficult and most have had bad experiences with men. [/QUOTE]

Rule 3 is definitely true!
Being nice and polite is essential... And it's ok with any kind of woman, not only with the girls that have difficult lives


[QUOTE]
This is where you have to pay attention. Read above. I asked her if she wanted a beer. Not wine, not champagne, not an over priced and overly watered mixed drink. Just a beer. She said no and asked if I would buy her a cocktail. I then asked what she wanted and how much it would cost. She told me it would be equal to $20. I laughed and told her to hit the road. She was a little put off but told me that she wanted to sit with me and asked what I would be willing to buy her. I told her that I was drinking beer and that she could have beer or any thing that was the same price as a beer. A lesson for all of you mongers out there. Do not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] your money away on these over priced drinks in the bars and clubs. Just tell the girls what you are wiling to buy and they can either stay or go. Luda decided to stay and ordered some kind of alcoholic drink that was charged to me at the same price as a beer.

I sat there and drank and watched the dancers for about three hours and Luda was at my side the entire time. She kept ordering her cheap drinks and we had a great time talking in between the lap dances that she kept giving me, again for free except for a buck or two tip for each song. Are you getting the picture yet? You do not have to spend a fortune to have a good time.
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I believe your story. It could happen sometime if the girl likes you and actually I had a couple of adventures with strippers amid 20 years. But this is not the way it usually goes. Do you really believe that anytime any fellow mongers will enter in a Kiev strip club after reading this forum will get days of free sex just offering a couple of cheap beers? You were lucky and under special astral conditions. I invite you to go strip-clubbing together the next time we will be in Kiev in the same days and show me if this happens again. I'll pay all the beer you and your dalings will be able to drink :D

Anyway you made a very good point. Personality COULD impress more than money. Anyway I keep money as a backup if my charme fails.... I don't like to sleep alone,especially in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Medved99]
Unfortunately, I have seen in the Kiev thread that many people seem to believe that River Palace and a handful of other discos or Gia Escorts are the only options available in town for the man who wants to enjoy the pleasures of a beautiful Ukrainian girl. I have also seen so many posts that complain about the outrageous prices that these girls charge for their services and how they ***** you for expensive drinks and meals all over town.
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Getting laid requires some effort. Or time or money. If you are frog, you need money even in Kiev.
I never used GIA, so I cannot talk about.
RP can be a good shortcut when short of time. Situations and chemistry can be very different. Getting GFE from RP girls is a specific skill (I believe Cruiser D is a master here).
I found there cold professionals, but also wonderful sex, well worth the spent money. I have also a good friend (her name is Anna) met there. She is a tall, slender, classy blonde, definitely top rank in my scale for beauty and sex. I paid her $300 the first 2 times I met her. We had a lot of fun together as well as nice chatting. We exchanged many sms and she was very willing to meet again. I told her that p4p was over as I don't like to have this kind of business on a regular base, but I let her know that I'd be happy to have fancy dinner together. No need to say that after Concord we lied together again and this time was for free (actually a dinner at Concorde is not "free" at all...). We meet again from time to time if she is not under money pressure and can avoid RP. At the end these girls want upscale life... If you provide this you get high rewards. If you point village girl in Kreshatik the concept of "upscale life" is different... Everything depends on the target we choose.
I'll be in Istanbul next week for a couple of days and Anna will join me. I'll pay tickets (frequent flier mileage) and probably buy a couple of presents/souvenirs. Am I spending a lot? Maybe. On the other side I have great GFE and wild sex, with no wasted time. For me it's a good deal


[QUOTE=Medved99]
I am telling you now, there is absolutely no need to pay for it. Not sex and not booze.

The moral of the story is that you do not have to pay for play and you do not have to get caught up in the overpriced entertainment scene to have a good time.
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Absolutely? You are a lucky man... I'm a fool, so if I don't have a woman at midnight, I'm ready to pay.
The true moral is that THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR PLAY. Good chance doesn't mean it happens always. Again this depends on personality, status and look.

Hi Malix,

I rather liked this girl and dont want her number on the forum. I have sent you a PM with details. Lay back and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Malix]Great report Sharalumi, I have been reading this forum with intentions of maybe visiting but now I think I'm really gona go! How long did you have the last girl for & are her details available?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Tonit66,

I agree with just about everything you say here!

Fox7717

Hi there,

I will be travelling to Kiev from 30. April until 05. May. Any of you there and able to show me arround a bit and giving me a hand with the girls / ladies?

I dont speak russian, only english or german.

ATM. waiting for my account to get activated, so I think PMs are currently not possible.

Any help appreciated.

I ask myself why I get so annoyed by some of the posts on this board. And it's simple: as a man it...pains me when other men don't get it. You know that feeling where you want to grab someone by the shirt, shake him silly and say "Wake the f*** up, pal!"

As I said previously, many guys will miss the point in Medved's posts. It's so freakin' sad. You should not be trying to impress a woman, she should be impressing you. The guys who think their hotel room matters don't yet understand that if a woman is turned on enough, she'll f*** you in a bathroom at the club, or in a parked car, where ever you can do the deed. Does that require knowing "how" to get her amped? Yes. That's the point with non-pro's, you actually have to know what you're doing. Or just hope you get "lucky". Ick, with a side of ICK!

Lover versus provider distinction, guys. Simple evolutionary biology. You decide which category you get to occupy in her mind. Choose wisely and
good things happen.

Final thought: At this point, I find it impossible to pay. Granted, I did years ago, but I just can't wrap my brain around the concept now. The thing that seems prized above all else in this community is the GFE, or girlfriend experience. For the uninitiated, that's where you pay somone, and the experience is so wonderful and intimate it's as if she's actually your girlfriend. How about NOT paying, and getting her to act like she wants to be your girlfriend? Seems like a shortcut to me.

Just a thought...

[QUOTE=Drgn]
Final thought: At this point, I find it impossible to pay. Granted, I did years ago, but I just can't wrap my brain around the concept now. The thing that seems prized above all else in this community is the GFE, or girlfriend experience. For the uninitiated, that's where you pay somone, and the experience is so wonderful and intimate it's as if she's actually your girlfriend. How about NOT paying, and getting her to act like she wants to be your girlfriend? Seems like a shortcut to me.

Just a thought...[/QUOTE]
Here are some more thoughts:

1) P4P: You aren't paying them to stay, you are paying them to leave afterwards. A lot of truth in there. When you've already got dozens of "girlfriends" it's nice to sometimes not have to remember another name or go out for another watery cappucino and mayonaise salad and instead just get your bone on with a perky-titted blonde pseudo-student tramp for a Benjamin or two.

2) Not everybody has the time or the ability or the motivation to chase freebies. P4P is a great thing as long as the monger is the one doing the FUCKING and not the one getting FUCKED.

3) Nothing wrong with expensive hotels when the company's paying for it. Say what you want, but many chicks dig a taste of luxury now and then... it has a way of turning them on. It's fun. For many girls money = power = manliness = sex appeal. Personality will get you far, but you'll notice your percentages dropping when you start asking them to split cab fare and go Dutch on meals.

Travelling on business is a no-brainer, it's impossible not to get laid unless you are a no-pulse troll. Wine her and dine her in the nicest restaurants and stay in the nicest hotels and she'll never know it wasn't actually your money you were spending on her...

For a monger paying his own accomodations though, apartments are the way to go. I stay in apartments 90% of the time because of the convenience, no hassle and "house party" atmosphere, but also because of cost and especially since there are really only 2 good hotels in Kiev, neither of which I particularly like. When they get a Ritz Carlton and a Kempinski I'll reconsider... provided they have a pool, gym and sauna.

5) There are many types of female in Kiev in different social classes, some require more lubrication than others. Lubrication isn't necessarily in the form of luxury or money, romance and personality go far.... and especially experience and intelligence. Oddly enough, higher class girls often are the ones I end up spending the least amount of money on and they put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They feel they need to get laid otherwise they are missing out on life. For many Ukrainian girls who aren't married by 24 or are already divorced again, life ends at 30 and they tend to fuck like rabbits as the midnight hour approaches. They know very well their capital ASSets tend to devaluate sooner than later.

6) Ukraine isn't a contest of freebie vs. P4P. It's the mix. It's Candyland, something for everybody. My most memorable sex adventures have been with both freebies and pros, so I can only recommend to all to pursue both avenues for the most fun and best sex.

I wouldn't try that in Holland, let alone Ukraine :)

A man who doesn't have (or spend) money is regarded as inadequate in the FSU. Sure, don't get played, but showing you're successful in a country where most people are broke is important.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]I wouldn't try that in Holland, let alone Ukraine :)

A man who doesn't have (or spend) money is regarded as inadequate in the FSU. Sure, don't get played, but showing you're successful in a country where most people are broke is important.[/QUOTE]

Most people are broke? You kidding these days?
And you don’t have to flash the cash to be successful with women here, inadequate if you don’t spend? Not true, sell the image and they won’t expect more than the image.
It’s all about looking the part. To be successful you must have more front than Marks and Spencer’s, this goes in business here as well as with women.
I find a sharp suit a good watch and a good mobile phone goes a million miles.
I have not spent more than 300 grn on a date here ever. And my fuck rate to dates is 100%

[QUOTE=Qjump]Most people are broke? You kidding these days?
And you don’t have to flash the cash to be successful with women here, inadequate if you don’t spend? Not true, sell the image and they won’t expect more than the image.
It’s all about looking the part. To be successful you must have more front than Marks and Spencer’s, this goes in business here as well as with women.
I find a sharp suit a good watch and a good mobile phone goes a million miles.
I have not spent more than 300 grn on a date here ever. And my fuck rate to dates is 100%[/QUOTE]
I think you are missing his point. It's not about actually spending oodles of money, but rather about making sure she knows you are successful at what you do, whether that's business, art or playing the guitar. Women (and not just UKR women) love successful men and men with drive and passion to achieve things in life, period. Having money is all a part of this. Having no money in Ukraine... especially for a mid-30s+ foreigner... is a crime. You by your own definition are selling the part with a suit, watch and glam phone. I'm often in that set as well, even though by nature I am more a jeans and jacket kind of guy, sometimes even going very casual. If you have a story to tell (preferably a real one), it goes a long way. At the end of the day they are just women.

100% Uhuh. What, 3 out of 3?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]3 out of 3?[/QUOTE]
is still a 100 percent ;) :)