Angeles City

[QUOTE=Sterile]Hi Guys

I will be going to AC for the first time in a few weeks and it will be my first visit to the Phils. Can somebody answer me a very basic question?

Barfines. I understand the concept of it. Typically who is the Barfine paid to and at what point...and more importantly what sort of payment/tip if any is expected in addition to the barfine when I get the girl back to the hotel?
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The barfine is paid to the bar when you take the girl, usually 1,000-1,350p. Usually a tip of 200-500p is right for good service paid as she leaves although not mandatory.

Sterile - don't forget, there are 2 "different" kinds of barfines. The barfine in Angeles City includes the girl. The barfines in Manila do not include any $$ for the girl. So, in AC there is a barfine of, let's say, 1300pesos. The girl does not get additional $$ unless you want to give her a few extra pesos. The 1300p includes everything.

At EDSA, in manila, the same 1300p barfine is for the bar only. You pay that to the bar for the "privilege" of meeting the girl there. You have to negotiate with the girl how much she will receive, (i.e. 1500p), so you are out a total of 2800p. In AC you are out only 1300p (not including extras).

Hope that makes it easier..yeah, AC is cheaper!!

Thanks guys, thats all extremely helpful ! It sounds really cheap . I was reading reports of guys bringing 3 or 4 girls back to their rooms every night and I was like !?!?!?!?!?!!? - at those prices I can see why !!

Thx again

[QUOTE=AsianLover2]There is plenty of information on this site. Here are some tidbits to get you started.


Some basic tip suggestions to get you started:

200 to 300P - for no or lack luster BJ and average boom boom

400 to 500P - for a good BJ and boom boom

600 to 1000P for - BJ, multiple boom boom and positions

1000 + - for going beyond the call of duty.

Of course NO tip if she does not perform as agreed to or is a runner. ( Says she will stay all night and then after the first round wants to "Run" home for any number of reasons).

Hope this help.[/QUOTE]

The expectation of a tip actually depends on where you come from. The Phils is not a tipping culture (outside Fields or places frequented by foreigners), but the ladies are smart enough to work out how to get $$ from people who do come from tipping cultures.

So you will be expected to pay Asianlover's tipping rates if you are from a high tipping culture, (hence their question 'Where you from?' - they are trying to assess your tipping potential). However, if you are from a low tipping culture such as Australia or New Zealand, their expectations are way way lower and your rates for tips are most likely to be:

0 - 70 Piso for average. No tip is expected, but a trike fare is appreciated
100 Piso for above average performance multiple boom boom bbbj.
200 Piso if you get the night of your life.

If I get a lady who gives me a succession of honeymoon nights, I will normally add some gift to the above (such as an outfit from one of the dress boutiques in Fields).

Since I am an Aussie, I pay no more than the amount above and even though I am in my late fifties, overweight and balding, I have only had one or two runners and no complaint about being Mr Kuripot. Tipping cultures will end up paying more than that naturally.

Of course, that is just a guide, if you feel you want to pay more or less, it's up to you. However, they are very good at guilting you to tip according to your own culture. (If you are used to paying a high tip at home, they obviously find it easier to get you to pay similarly here).

[QUOTE=Sterile]Thanks guys, thats all extremely helpful ! It sounds really cheap . I was reading reports of guys bringing 3 or 4 girls back to their rooms every night and I was like !?!?!?!?!?!!? - at those prices I can see why !!

Thx again[/QUOTE]

Try not to bring 3-4 girls to your room. Most of the time it is a waste of time and money. Some girls just tag along and not do anything irrespective of what they promised before you barfined them. Do not forget that these girls do not consider themselves as prostitutes and can be very shy in front of other girls. One or two girls will be good experience.
Generally in my experience one on one will get you a good GF experience.
Another reason they do not go all out in front of other girls is the gossip in the bar when they go back to work. These girls wants to know all details because they are generally bored in the bar day in and out. Ever notice after barfining a girl and you go back to the same bar how much others know what happened the previous nite? Some even knew size of my dick, how I was in sex, how many times we did, what was the tip etc.

I never thought of it from the tipping culture angle before. Interesting.

I also assume they have some gut feeling about personality regarding the different ethnic groups. Maybe someone should do some research. Sounds like a good basis for a master's thesis.

Of course the second question from most bargirls is, "which hotel". I suppose this tells them what your budget is. I imagine there are some bragging rights if they spend the night in the lap of luxury. The Santos Ave girls were kind of cute when they found out I was staying across the street at Wild Orchid.

"I want to stay there with you", or "Take me there!", "Can I be your maid".

X

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]The expectation of a tip actually depends on where you come from.
(hence their question 'Where you from?' - they are trying to assess your tipping potential). .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]I never thought of it from the tipping culture angle before. Interesting.

I also assume they have some gut feeling about personality regarding the different ethnic groups. Maybe someone should do some research. Sounds like a good basis for a master's thesis.

Of course the second question from most bargirls is, "which hotel". I suppose this tells them what your budget is. I imagine there are some bragging rights if they spend the night in the lap of luxury. The Santos Ave girls were kind of cute when they found out I was staying across the street at Wild Orchid.

"I want to stay there with you", or "Take me there!", "Can I be your maid".

X[/QUOTE]I agree. After the 'What's your name?" and "Where you from?" the next question that rolls out is "Where you stay?" The seasoned girls know the hotels and do probably play the odds as to the possible tip amount.

I always stay at the Wild Orchid Resort.

Just wanted to comment on the cultural tipping. Never heard that mentioned before. Makes sense and the girls are probably aware of it too.

The Aussie and NZ tipping does seem a little small. But since a tip is not required....any tip should appreciated.

I will pass on that if you tip well for EXCELLENT service...the girls do tell each other. Your next barfine just might exceed all expectations :)

[QUOTE=Sammon]Try not to bring 3-4 girls to your room. Most of the time it is a waste of time and money. Some girls just tag along and not do anything irrespective of what they promised before you barfined them. Do not forget that these girls do not consider themselves as prostitutes and can be very shy in front of other girls. One or two girls will be good experience.
Generally in my experience one on one will get you a good GF experience.
Another reason they do not go all out in front of other girls is the gossip in the bar when they go back to work. These girls wants to know all details because they are generally bored in the bar day in and out. Ever notice after barfining a girl and you go back to the same bar how much others know what happened the previous nite? Some even knew size of my dick, how I was in sex, how many times we did, what was the tip etc.[/QUOTE]

I'm with Sammon on this. The probability of a great time with multiple partners is probably pretty low for a number of reasons mainly which was already mentioned. I've been with a couple of different women another time when we were alone and it was totally different and better. If you want to do it to have the experience to say you've done it or check it off your list go for it, but chances are it won't be like the movies.

[QUOTE=Key Master]I'm with Sammon on this. The probability of a great time with multiple partners is probably pretty low for a number of reasons mainly which was already mentioned. I've been with a couple of different women another time when we were alone and it was totally different and better. If you want to do it to have the experience to say you've done it or check it off your list go for it, but chances are it won't be like the movies.[/QUOTE]

Yeah you're right about that. I took two chinese girls at the same time last year in Dubai, it wasn't that enjoyable. Had to change rubbers every time I changed girl and they jabbered away in chinese more or less the entire time ! Plus for the price I paid I could have probably had a dozen or more girls over there in Angeles...

[quote=asianlover2]
just wanted to comment on the cultural tipping. never heard that mentioned before. makes sense and the girls are probably aware of it too.

the aussie and nz tipping does seem a little small. but since a tip is not required....any tip should appreciated.

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i guess what made me think of that originally is my own experience in bars at home in oz.

i lived for many years in a town which had a lot of tourists and a lot of expat us citizens.

those aussies who worked in the bars as bar staff never ever expected a tip from the aussies, but got used to the us citizens tipping them. (they never got angry if there was not tip from a us cit, but it was 'expected').

i am sure the us cits felt uneasy not giving a tip because that is the way they were brought up. some of the bar staff would look a bit guilty at taking a tip...at first. that did not last long though. ;)

i also never saw any difference in service either. so basically, it was a habit for both the tipper and tippee.

Angeles City

For a number of years, as I travelled and debauched my way all over South East Asia, I have ignored the Philippines. Mainly because I thought Philippine culture had been bastardized by Spanish and American colonization, I never seriously thought about going there. Why bother when you have Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, and India, all far more interesting and “cultural” places to fool around in.

Well my thinking has changed. Reading this forum has opened my eyes up to the great possibilities this country offers. I was reading some of the reports in the Manila, Angeles, and Cebu threads when I realized this place rocks! I gotta come here.

Now I am in the planning stages of my trip. Tentatively, I will visit Manila (of course), Angeles, Cebu and Palawan. And I have a couple of basic questions.

1. Are there any other places I should not miss?

2. In Angeles, where I think I should stay for at least a week, the problem is what to do during the day. From this perspective, what would be the best hotel? The hotel must have a great pool and other amenities so I don’t go nuts waiting for the night. My guess is that all hotels in Angeles are girl friendly, and not outrageously priced. So which hotel is alpha male.

Thank You

[QUOTE=X Man]Of course the second question from most bargirls is, "which hotel". I suppose this tells them what your budget is.[/QUOTE]
Definitely.
I usually stay Lewis Grand and the girls are very keen to go there.
Make it clear before going, good tip requires good performance,
and most cases it will be a great night! :D

Cheers!

[QUOTE=AsianLover2]I agree. After the 'What's your name?" and "Where you from?" the next question that rolls out is "Where you stay?" The seasoned girls know the hotels and do probably play the odds as to the possible tip amount.

:)[/QUOTE]Slightly off topic, but used to go to Burgos a lot... and obviously got the above questions a lot. One day, having a creative streak, I printed up the answer to these questions on a card, even got it laminated.

Some girls found this to be hilarious, and would really get a kick out of this.
Others ( lets call them the less smart) didnt know how to handle it and would walk off in a sulk as they had no more opening lines. Was fun to see the diffferent reactions.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Angeles City

For a number of years, as I travelled and debauched my way all over South East Asia, I have ignored the Philippines. Mainly because I thought Philippine culture had been bastardized by Spanish and American colonization, I never seriously thought about going there. Why bother when you have Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, and India, all far more interesting and “cultural” places to fool around in.

Well my thinking has changed. Reading this forum has opened my eyes up to the great possibilities this country offers. I was reading some of the reports in the Manila, Angeles, and Cebu threads when I realized this place rocks! I gotta come here.

Now I am in the planning stages of my trip. Tentatively, I will visit Manila (of course), Angeles, Cebu and Palawan. And I have a couple of basic questions.

1. Are there any other places I should not miss?

2. In Angeles, where I think I should stay for at least a week, the problem is what to do during the day. From this perspective, what would be the best hotel? The hotel must have a great pool and other amenities so I don’t go nuts waiting for the night. My guess is that all hotels in Angeles are girl friendly, and not outrageously priced. So which hotel is alpha male.

Thank You[/QUOTE]
Without trying to rain on your parade, I think that your analysis of the degrees of cultural interest that you find in other SE Asian countries, and that you will not find here, is largely accurate. Succinctly, from a cultural perspective, this is not a terribly engaging place. In many ways, it has always appeared to me as a slightly out of focus, 1950ish version of the United States but with lots more poverty. Whether it's because this was never a unified country prior to the arrival of the Spaniards, or whether it's because the place remains steadfastly tribal, the fact is that very little in the way of national identify or cultural traditions have emerged. Mainly, it's just lots of very poor people trying to eke out a living.

As to your choices of cities, I don't much like Manila or Cebu, finding both too congested and too polluted for my taste, so I would suggest Davao and/or Cagayan de Oro, but that's just personal preference.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough] ...from a cultural perspective, this is not a terribly engaging place. In many ways, it has always appeared to me as a slightly out of focus, 1950ish version of the United States but with lots more poverty.... Mainly, it's just lots of very poor people trying to eke out a living.

As to your choices of cities, I don't much like Manila or Cebu, finding both too congested and too polluted for my taste, so I would suggest Davao and/or Cagayan de Oro, but that's just personal preference.

GE[/QUOTE]That is a great description of the country. It hits the nail on the head. It is basically what I envisioned. I have travelled extensively through Central and South America. From Mazatlan to Tierra del Fuego and back. I always thought the Philippines were more closely related to a country like Columbia than to its neighbors, Indonesia, Malaysia, or Thailand.

It’s the description of the Filipina girl scene that has got me interested in going there. It seems to me that in the Philippines we have the unique Filipina, a cross sub species of the Southeast Asian genus. Hot, sexed up, attractive, English speaking to some extent, and ready for action at a reasonable price. This is what I’m talking about. Now I am crazy about Thai girls. I love Cambodian girls. And I think Chinese girls are to die for. But now I want something a little bit different and here it is: the Filipina girl in all her glory and sexuality. I’m gonna check things out.

Thanks for your advice about Davao and Cagayan de Oro. I done some more research, so far mostly on Davao, and based on some of the reports from you (Good Enough) and Dragon Slayer among others, I think I must include this town on my itinerary and spend at least a week here. I may like the place or find it not worth the trouble, but that is what the pleasure of travelling to new places is all about.

As to Manila: I don’t think you can avoid it, and I would not want to on my first visit. I know the ropes. Stay cool, be low key, and always be aware of your surroundings, ect. ect. ect. I don’t think I will have any problems. I figure 3-4 days is probably plenty of time to get a feel for the place (and get it on with some attractive babes).

So thanks again for your input. Still in the planning stage.