Pattaya Reports

I usually always spend the night in BKK if I have a morning flight. Getting an extra hour sleep is crucial for me before an 18-20 hour flight. It's not the worst thing to have to spend a night in Bangkok.

If I do take a taxi in the middle of the night it's with a trusted driver in a newer model vehicle.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2202682]Have a return flight home on a Sunday morning leaving at 7 am. My usual routine is to head back to Bangkok for the remaining two nights but I'm considering staying in Pattaya until late Saturday night. Question is has anybody ever made the late night drive from Pattaya to the airport and is it reliable? An hour and a half ride at night sounds a bit more risky than grabbing a 30 minute taxi to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I am lucky that the flights to Australia usually leave about 6 pm so I am usually in a taxi at 1 pm giving 2 hours to the airport and 3 hours before take off. I understand about leaving everything last minute with an early morning flight. I live about 3. 5 hours from Sydney airport and I always stay in Sydney overnight before I fly.

I think if my flight was at 7 am I would be staying in bkk.

All the best.

Rob.

I usually do the same regardless of who is paying for a long haul international flight. In some cities, whereby the airport can be over an hour away and you never know about the weather or traffic, it is just less stressful to stay at an airport hotel with a shuttle. I know road warriors who consistently show up an hour or whatever is the minimum before departure. But I am getting too old for that type of stress and running and rushing. If I am too early, I just sit in a lounge and do Internet stuff.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2202835]I live about 3. 5 hours from Sydney airport and I always stay in Sydney overnight before I fly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franga;2202730]I once took an early morning taxi from Pattaya to the airport, like starting around 2 am. It seemed like the driver kept nodding off at times, but didn't completely fall asleep at the wheel.

I have always remembered that experience, so now I regard that as a risk factor to consider when arranging travel times. Personally I would avoid travel between midnight and 6 am, as that is probably when most drivers would normally be sleeping.[/QUOTE]That's scary. One solution would be to have the driver sit down first and take a Modafinil (Provigil) tablet. Half and hour later he would be ripe to drive you. What with the drug scare he would refuse the tablet most probably.

Joking aside I've had drivers ("meter" taxis) literally texting while driving from Pattaya to Suvarnabumi. I now try to book Nam's Taxi Service. Women drivers are better in such a case.

I once tried to jot down an ID number of a texting driver in order to complain but all I could write down was a number that lead to nowhere upon subsequent search. Those guys are untraceable.

[QUOTE=XXL;2202852]That's scary. One solution would be to have the driver sit down first and take a Modafinil (Provigil) tablet. Half and hour later he would be ripe to drive you. What with the drug scare he would refuse the tablet most probably.

Joking aside I've had drivers ("meter" taxis) literally texting while driving from Pattaya to Suvarnabumi. I now try to book Nam's Taxi Service. Women drivers are better in such a case.

I once tried to jot down an ID number of a texting driver in order to complain but all I could write down was a number that lead to nowhere upon subsequent search. Those guys are untraceable.[/QUOTE]I used Nams last time and even though it is 1200 I will spend the extra 200 for a safe trip.

Sorry for not posting in awhile, but I've been a bit busy, fucking, getting my dick sucked, and cooking in between. I know you guys are having a serious discussion about airport taxis, so hopefully this report doesn't distract attention away from that. Being late to the airport sucks. Anyways, there is a girl I have been chasing for about 2 years. She previously worked Imagine Club and What's Up and is also a lipstick lesbian. She also had a reputation of never going with customers. She makes all her money off of drinks and the 10,000 baht given to her every 10 days for her salary. Crazy thing is talking to her for all these years, she claims to be a virgin at 24 years old, never been with a guy ever. BB had a chance to meet and talk with her the last time we had drinks at Iron Club. All we did that night was chill with the her and her model friend at Iron and then bar hopped all over Walking Street. I also had a booking with another girl at What's Up, so I couldn't really make my move.

However, the next night I returned alone to Iron with intentions to grab her 22 year model friend that's been only there a month. Both girls again were working and we sat a drank for a bit. I ended barfining the model LT because I wanted to still go look around at other go Go Go bars that night. It was only 9:00 pm. Out of the blue, the 24 year old virgin asked me can I also barfine her as well? I told her, no because she wasn't going to give up that ass to me. She said she wanted just to tag along and hang out. I looked at her square in the eyes and asked her, really what was her reason? I know this girl for 2 plus years and she is very sneaky. So when her model friend went into the dressing room to change clothes, virgin girl told me the truth. First, she already met her 10 day drink quota with the 2 drinks I bought her. Tonight was her 10th day and she didn't really want to stay at work alone. She just got paid 10,000 baht by the club. Second, she has a girl crush on her model friend that just worked their for a month. She wanted to see her friend's pussy and watch me fuck the model girl. And maybe, just maybe, she gets to play with her tits and pussy as well. I thought she was joking and was like "um, can I at least try to fuck or stick my dick in you?" Virgin girl then said what I thought was impossible after all these years. She said "OK, you can try. " I thought the apocalypse was really coming.

Never in my mind did I ever expect this girl to let me barfine her. I called mamasan over and she had to ask virgin girl like 5 times is she really letting a customer barfine her? This mamasan also used to work Imagine and What's Up as well, so she knew this girl never went. The virgin just told the mamasan that she was going to Hollywood with us for a little bit. Virgin girl then winked at me. Barfine for both girls was only 3000 for LT. I got a Monkeypaw discount, even before midnight. I ended up taking both girls to drink and party at Palace and What's Up. Many of the girls who worked with virgin girl before at Imagine and What's Up were shocked to see her getting barfined. It was crazy all these girls that we both knew just kept coming up to us and then did a double take. They gave her a look as if anyone on Walking Street could have done it, it would have been me.

The photo we took together was at What's Up. Of course I'm the Angel with the tattoos and then you have the girls. And yes if you were wondering, I never had issues taking photos or videos inside the club. That's how I roll. I've spent like like over 2,000,000 baht in that club alone, so I get special treats once in awhile. The other night, I was about to take a seat at What's Up when it was real crowded. There was a group of Chinese guys hogging the seats, one guy per table right next to the stage on the left as you walk in. One guy per table, I repeat! Anyways, I waived them to move closer with my hand, so I could sit down. Almost as if I was ordering them to do so. It may have been a little rude, but I know these Chinese guys mentality of entitlement too well. You see it when they attack the buffet lines at restaurants. The Chinese guy next to me just gave me a dirty look and I stared back. Then the waiters told them to move over closer to one another. There was like 5 of them. Amazingly, they all fit in 3 tables. I can over hear them saying "who is he?" They kept staring a bit at all my tattoos, but it didn't take long for them to understand the hidden meaning behind a few of them. I'm from the real underground of Hong Kong and I'm pretty sure after a few minutes they felt very uncomfortable sitting next to me. So uncomfortable that they asked waitstaff to get moved and then left.

So back the in my room, the performances were let's say "very unexpected. " Virgin girl was to difficult to break in. Her pussy squeezed and gripped my dick so tight, I was unable to really enjoy fucking her. It felt as if I was fucking a hole in a tree or something, no matter how much KY. She was wincing and yelping too much that I had to stop. She didn't suck dick, so nothing else to report there. I wasn't going to force her to do anything. She only told me she would "try. " Model girl on other hand was a freak and did everything I wanted. If virgin wasn't there, I think she would have let me fucked her ass as well. Not sure if I wanted to try still with all those bad memories of shit on my dick in BKK. Anyways, I could write an entire page on all the sinful things that happened this night on my bed, but nah. Just know that Monkeypaw got his money's worth tonight with 6,500 total paid out to both girls. When we were all done, neither of them had the energy and virgin girl couldn't even walk. I felt bad sending them home this way, so I ended up feeding the girls some homemade tum yum goon noodles soup that I had cooked earlier. Delicious!

[QUOTE=RobJones;2202857]I used Nams last time and even though it is 1200 I will spend the extra 200 for a safe trip.[/QUOTE]I used her 20 years ago LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2202830]...It's not the worst thing to have to spend a night in Bangkok...[/QUOTE]I too prefer Pattaya, but as the song says "one night in Bangkok. " ain't too bad.

Some info may be a little down to earth but it is for the curious, for comparison and for those who need to provide a budget holiday LOL.

My last stay in Pattaya and Bangkok was from June 5th to June 13th. I spent 6 days in Pattaya and 3 days in Bangkok. The last 3 days in Bangkok I was with a VLT but I still made some visits to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy and the last day in Sukhumvit 22 massage parlors.

In total I spent 1400 for girls and 150 for drinks during visits to the gogos. I averaged 3 girls a day. Or averaged also 51 per meeting (about 2000 B). On it I am a little cushioned on the end with my VLT but not much because she ate like 4 and he had to pay a swimsuit for the pool she had forgotten his, his transport, visits etc. .

I did not take any girls on the beach road or in a gogo of WS I only paid lady drinks on the spot. I only went to massage parlors and pipe bar. My favorite gogos were Palace, Windmill, Sapphyr, Farenheit and What's up. The girls were between 20 and 30 years old never again.

There is a very high turnover in bars, gogos, massage parlors and others. Girls change their workplace, city or country and there are many reasons for that. In 3-4 months we can not recognize either the atmosphere or the girls. Quality levels can fluctuate from one extreme to another.

That's why you have to move, always change. Personally I went in a lot of countries and Pattaya remains a unique destination in the world. That said, I, too, have from time to time some disappointments, some empty passages and I sometimes pester against Pattaya.

And I'm not a follower of nightclubs they have always fed me even young, in general I do not like music like fun radio is an absolute cheesy (I will not make me friends only this time there) it is too strong and it's complicated to understand, I arrive in shorts / flip flops so not at all in the mood and I do not want to make efforts, it ends too late at 1 o'clock in the morning I sleep, it's expensive, I find the girls rather nondescript and the ones I like look at me with contempt from top to bottom (and I give them back), etc etc.

In these cases I turn, I go to Phuket, Bangkok, Hong Kong or the Philippines who have excellent spots too. The examples of Marrakesh and Havana also come to mind, playing cat and mouse with the local cops it's funny 5 minutes but it ends up taking me the cabbage anyway. So after a little tour to change my ideas I like to come back to Pattaya.

There are always pretty cannons in their twenties. As for tariffs, I come to Thailand for about 10 years I find that apart from some gogos of WS that have actually exorbitant prices, they have not increased that much and even that it can fluctuate depending on the head of the customer. Sure if you take a shot of 10 or 20 years old the rates are higher now LOL.

Best. Story. EVER!

After visiting for nearly 10 years I decided to live here, already 10 months. Huge difference between tourist and expat. I will be moving again to try the philippines as a country to live as the main reason are.

1/ Nearly zero girls for me. Bar girls are 45 years old and pattaya now is entirely dominates by LB's. WeChat is 100% LB. I would say if you are 30 then yes some nice non pro here. Even a decent massage become a scam and a pain.

2/ Zero level of English you always need to use up to two words. And Pataya is the best city in Thailand as far as English goes.

3/ Living in a vacuum completely isolated from their culture and society.

Also good things mainly freedom, long term accommodation and food. But to sum things I would say no girls. Sold my motorbike feel free to move again.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2203772]After visiting for nearly 10 years I decided to live here, already 10 months. Huge difference between tourist and expat. I will be moving again to try the philippines as a country to live as the main reason are.

1/ Nearly zero girls for me. Bar girls are 45 years old and pattaya now is entirely dominates by LB's. WeChat is 100% LB. I would say if you are 30 then yes some nice non pro here. Even a decent massage become a scam and a pain.

2/ Zero level of English you always need to use up to two words. And Pataya is the best city in Thailand as far as English goes.

3/ Living in a vacuum completely isolated from their culture and society.

Also good things mainly freedom, long term accommodation and food. But to sum things I would say no girls. Sold my motorbike feel free to move again.[/QUOTE]Wow. You're living in a totally different city than I am. I don't know a single girl over 45 and I know 1000's of girls under 27. Good luck in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2203772]After visiting for nearly 10 years I decided to live here, already 10 months.
Also good things mainly freedom, long term accommodation and food. But to sum things I would say no girls. Sold my motorbike feel free to move again.[/QUOTE]Interesting observations especially since many of us are considering living there. But your experience seems to differ from guys like Mr. E and Banana Boi. I don't know how old they are but they seem to like it there.

For now I am spending 6 weeks each year in Thailand. I may expand my visit to two months next year. Seems like the best of both worlds for me.

I'm a late 60's overweight guy and I occasionally get very hot looking girls. Not like when I was younger but it happens. I have upped by game a bit as MonkeyPaw would say and I don't give a shit if I get rejected any more. That is key now. Move on to the next one. I will be here for another 2 weeks and love it. Good luck and thank for your opinions.

[QUOTE=Allover;2203847] But your experience seems to differ from guys like Mr. E and Banana Boi.[/QUOTE]They forced to pay 200 USD for a nice girls since there are very little left at that age bracket. For me 6000 Thb including barfine means that the party is over and time to move.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2203772]After visiting for nearly 10 years I decided to live here, already 10 months. Huge difference between tourist and expat. I will be moving again to try the philippines as a country to live as the main reason are.

1/ Nearly zero girls for me. Bar girls are 45 years old and pattaya now is entirely dominates by LB's. WeChat is 100% LB. I would say if you are 30 then yes some nice non pro here. Even a decent massage become a scam and a pain.

2/ Zero level of English you always need to use up to two words. And Pataya is the best city in Thailand as far as English goes.

3/ Living in a vacuum completely isolated from their culture and society.

Also good things mainly freedom, long term accommodation and food. But to sum things I would say no girls. Sold my motorbike feel free to move again.[/QUOTE]I've lived here going close to 15 years majority all in Pattaya. Ten months you are still a baby and even younger if you are the type that lives in a vacuum. Not a criticism to those who fit into this mold but really to each their own if it works for you. Living in a vacuum means you sleep a lot will only eat western food, stay mainly in the western portion of the City, like to hang out at Sportbars and speak zero Thai although one has a motorbike.

It really depends on one's age I assume if a person travels a lot and are looking for a place to settle down they most likely are in the retirement age. Personally, if you are just vacationing I understand guys the main objective is to get them young but if you are here long term I believe as time goes by one's criteria will be a bit higher in their age. Today, I preferred them if they are in their early twenties their attitude must be more mature but rarely even a stunner I will BF and haven't done so in near 5 years. Not really self-conscious short time okay If the room is close have no desire to walking or going anywhere with a young girl who hasn't mature mentality. I was warned years ago by a famous poster here " more you are entrenched into the Thai culture the more you will hate it here ". So today my taste has revolved the youngest I've taken lately is early 30's, not a stunner but average looks with a good personality and a body they take care plus a good pair of legs is a plus.

You would think with the Government leaders boosting all the English learning be. S. The last ten year and being in the Asean community the people coming out of the schools would be able to speak better English but go to the nearest 7/11 and speak some English to them. It is in the range of zero and it should be better but you look at their age it is if many just graduated from High School. It is even worse outside of Bangkok and Pattaya which many Expat considers not to even be part of Thailand. So based on my opinion, the production line of girls from Isaan will continue nothing to worry about except the price will go up because they have a school of their own to know exactly what to say and ask for from us foreigners.

Personally, if you are isolated from their culture and society it is one's own doing. But remember if you are too deep it will drive you crazy how they think is backward and that is being kind. I don't live in a vacuum I live pretty much 100% of the time with Thai, if you didn't know me you would think I was Thai, even the Thais say I look and act like a Thai. One can't live in a vacuum but too much Thai will make you go over the edge so one has to really meet a balance? You can do the same stuff every day whether you are here or at home in the West it gets boring? My saying " the grass is never greener " it is tough work to keep it green so if you are bored one needs to expand their horizon and get out and do something new, exercise play some softball maybe, go fishing, night after night, bar, gogo, yes it gets boring? You live here it goes in cycles it isn't all about pulling your dick out.

I stay off sites like WeChat etc.. it's taken me years to get rid of the constant calling at all hours and the threats from the Thai boyfriend who seems to be threatened by an old Asian guy if they are farangs for reasons it's O.K? Today I sleep soundly and much happier narrowing who I want around me.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2203772]2/ Zero level of English you always need to use up to two words. And Pataya is the best city in Thailand as far as English goes.[/QUOTE]Yes. If you want talk easier with Thai people you have the possibility to learn Thai language too.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2203772]After visiting for nearly 10 years I decided to live here, already 10 months. Huge difference between tourist and expat. I will be moving again to try the philippines as a country to live as the main reason are.

1/ Nearly zero girls for me. Bar girls are 45 years old and pattaya now is entirely dominates by LB's. WeChat is 100% LB. I would say if you are 30 then yes some nice non pro here. Even a decent massage become a scam and a pain.

2/ Zero level of English you always need to use up to two words. And Pataya is the best city in Thailand as far as English goes.[/QUOTE]Looks like you have the wrong game going for someone that lives there. Why are you worrying about bar girls? You just walk around anywhere you go and meet chicks. Tukcom, Royal Garden, Central Festival, the streets. One or two times a week we will sit in the market and talk to chicks that are coming and going and get their numbers or Line. No need to pay a girl and a bar when you could just pay the girl (and meet plenty of free ones in the process).

WeChat sucks really bad. Like you said, it is infested with LB. ThaiFriendly is way better, but of course the cost option is better than the free option.

I don't know what Pattaya you are in if you think the English level is zero. I know plenty of Pattaya chicks that speak English better than me. And when a popular song comes on I have to ask them who the American artist is. They fucking know! Thai chicks are for the most part smart. When you get over to Philippines with those dumb ass people it will really frustrate you. I do not know why people think English is so prevalent there when it really isn't. Maybe if you are talking to hotel staff or more educated people yes, but when you are at a bar scence with uneducated country bumpkins good fucking luck.

And thinking is not the strong point of a Filipino. They are good with giving them directions and setting them to a task. No way can they deviate from that. Try going into McDonalds and ordering a whatever with no tomatoes. It confuses the shit out of them because they are taught it is made a certain way and that is the way you stick with. It is easier for them to tell you that it can't be done or does not come that way.

One story I like to tell is when me and my girl were at a resort in Cebu. We were in the pool and a lady comes around to get orders for dinner. I looked at the menu and saw grilled ham and cheese. I didn't have a taste for ham so I told the girl that I would just have grilled cheese. You do not know how serious this chick was when she replied that they don't have grilled cheese, only grilled ham and cheese. There was no way that I could convince her that if they just didn't put the fucking ham on the bread, then it would be a grilled cheese. After going back and forth with this, it was just easier to order something else. So prepare yourself, because it won't be pretty!

P.S. What is up with going to other countries expecting people to speak English anyway? If anything you are the foreigner with big bucks. You have afford to go to language school for a few weeks. Those chicks are forced to learn English through music, movies, and a dictionary. I know a Thai chick that went to see a guy in Brazil. Fucking around with him she got stuck there for a time so she bought a dictionary and taught herself Portuguese in order to make a way.

I have a degree in French. The first time I went to Brazil and saw all those fine ass women I was like if I could speak some Portuguese... I went and learned Portuguese. The first time I went to Colombia and Dominican Republic and saw those fine ass women I was like if I could speak some Spanish... I went and learned Spanish. The first time I went to Thailand, the first chick I got with out of Angel Disco in Nana Hotel was teaching me Thai and I didn't even ask her. I am so thankful that she started me off though. You have been there 10 months. If you wrote just 3 new words per day on index cards during that time, think how much Thai you would be speaking now. And I assure you that you would be having a way better time. It does not even take much. Just start a conversation off with some Thai and they assume you speak Thai. They will say oh you speak Thai then they will start speaking in English the rest of the time. A few ice-breaking words go a long way.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2203861]I've lived here going close to 15 years majority all in Pattaya. Ten months you are still a baby and even younger if you are the type that lives in a vacuum. Not a criticism to those who fit into this mold but really to each their own if it works for you. Living in a vacuum means you sleep a lot will only eat western food, stay mainly in the western portion of the City, like to hang out at Sportbars and speak zero Thai although one has a motorbike.[/QUOTE]I know a guy like this who has lived here over 10 years yet knows less than 10%of what I know. Same bars same routine over and over again. I'm all over the map willing to try anything new.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2203860]They forced to pay 200 USD for a nice girls since there are very little left at that age bracket. For me 6000 Thb including barfine means that the party is over and time to move.[/QUOTE]You're saying Mr E is paying 6000 baht for a girl? You clearly have done no reading of the pattaya forum. I know I never have paid 6000 baht and never will.

Like Mr E said, you need to rethink your game. The best young Thai girls don't go with anyone. They have lots of choices so you need to stand out over the other guys.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2203860]They forced to pay 200 USD for a nice girls since there are very little left at that age bracket. For me 6000 Thb including barfine means that the party is over and time to move.[/QUOTE]If any chick on this planet says that I have ever given her that kind of money then she is a mf liar. In Pattaya I give chicks 1000 or 1200 for long time. Only twice in the last 10 years have I given a chick 1500. Now of you meet a chick on one of those apps and she comes over right then she will want 1000 for ST. I have done that. But if you know a chick better or you met her out at one of the discos or out in the street somewhere then she will stay 1000 LT.

I made the report last month about the chick I met on WeChat and Tinder that came to stay for 1000. She wanted to come again a couple nights later but I told her I did not have money. She said that is no problem and asked how much I could give her. I didn't really want her to come so I told her 500. She said okay come get me at 9 pm.

One guy here pretends his Kia is a Feraris. He's also all text and no photos. Wonder why? Maybe he doesn't want anyone to see him in his beaten up Kia.

Half the guys here (veterans) know this, the other half are in awe of his crafty illusions.

It would be great if the illusions were real but there not. You get what you pay for is the constant.

[QUOTE=Socker;2204080]One guy here pretends his Kia is a Feraris. He's also all text and no photos. Wonder why? Maybe he doesn't want anyone to see him in his beaten up Kia.

Half the guys here (veterans) know this, the other half are in awe of his crafty illusions.

It would be great if the illusions were real but there not. You get what you pay for is the constant.[/QUOTE]So many of the so-called "Ferraris" actually have a VW bug engine under the hood. So then; what's the point?

[QUOTE=Socker;2204080]One guy here pretends his Kia is a Feraris. He's also all text and no photos. Wonder why? Maybe he doesn't want anyone to see him in his beaten up Kia.

Half the guys here (veterans) know this, the other half are in awe of his crafty illusions.

It would be great if the illusions were real but there not. You get what you pay for is the constant.[/QUOTE]New model at Palace.

Last night I was enjoying myself at Palace accompanied by BB and his friend. We all had girls sitting with us. My focus was on this brand new model that just started there. I pointed out to BB that I bet today was her first day to which I was right. She was sitting alone and no other girls were talking to her. I found her face very attractive and she had a nice slim body with natural tits (more than a handful) and a nice ass. Her name was Surita and she was only 44 kilos she said. Anyways long story short is that I need up barfining Surita for short time and was her first customer ever. Sex was off the chart with her, but here is the amazing thing that happened. Towards the end of our session, I was able to finish CIM with her BBBJ skills. She kept sucking even after I came in her mouth. My dick was still very hard and it still felt good (had taken a gel pack before. Funny thing is that it wasn't over, I felt as if another orgasm was about to hit me again. I told her to keep at it and don't stop because the orgasm never left. She kept sucking my cock and squeezing my balls. The sensation was awesome and about 40 seconds later I erupted again. This time my cum spewed like Old Faithful (a famous geyser). So much cum that it made her gag and dripped from her mouth. When she choked on my cum, she had to remove her mouth from my cock. We both watched in amazement and glory as the cum kept shooting gobs and gobs for like at least 20 seconds every where on my bed. The squirting seemed endless that In was almost embarrassed. I have never in my fucking life came so much cum like that. I thought it was impossible for men to even have multiple orgasms without a refractory period in between. There was no recovery phase between my first orgasm and the second. When I come the first time and she kept sucking, the orgasm continued until I felt as if a bigger better orgasm was about to happened. So if felt as if I had about a 70 second long orgasm but with two different level of intensities and ejaculations. The first one was like for only 10 seconds and that same intense feeling lasted until the second one hit, another 40 seconds later. The second wave made me want to die right there and thank God for my wonderful life. This was how intense and amazing it felt. I never felt or have seen myself cum like that in my entire fucking life. I fuck a different girl almost everyday, so it's not like I had build up of cum. This girl was able to drain me completely. Fucking amazing I had tell BB immediately afterwards. Dang, if this is how girls often feel when they have long multiple orgasms and squirt, then they are lucky. And this is karma rewarding me for what I often give them.

The 18 year old poo-tang from Tantra Club.

The other night it was getting late on WS and I decided to stick my head into Tantra around 1 am. Normally all the hot or decent girls are gone by this time at all the Go Go bars. Usually what is on stage are left overs. I saw this girl who had a large tattoo on her back who look cute and had a nice natural body. I called her down for a drink and to my surprise she was only 18 years old. I didn't believe her when she told me until she popped out her ID to show me. Previously I heard that at 19 you can dance but cannot go with customers. This is for Go Go bars. I knew that Rainbow 4 in Nana was shut down by the police because they were employing 19 year olds a couple of years back. But that's Bangkok, and of course, Walking Street does things differently. But I've also stayed at hotels, like LK Empress, in Pattaya which had signs at reception not allowing anyone who was under 20 years of age as a guest unless they check in at the same time the registered guest does. To make sure, I asked the 18 year old coyote if she can fuck. She told me she has never been barfined (only there 4 days) but she doesn't see why not. Quickly, I called mamasan over and they spoke some Thai I didn't understand. Then mamasan told me that she can go but I had to pay all her money in the club. I've barfines 12 times at Tantra previously, all to this same mamasan. Never did I pay all cash upfront, she knew that. So something weird was going on. I refused to do so this time as well. They spoke some more Thai and mamasan told me it was okay to give her 3000 back in my room. So off we went. Naked, the girl had a very sexy slim natural body with perky tits. She enjoyed DATY for about 30 minutes, but her sex was just so so. She was very tight and couldn't handle all positions especially K9 or with her ankles pressed against her ears and legs wide open for deep penetration. Didn't matter because I spewed my load quickly in that position anyways. BBBJ skills were very non-existent. I wouldn't repeat but it wasn't a waste of money. She tried.

Coyote from Bliss.

I took her from Bliss one night and we went barhopping to Palace and What's Up. She's tall, slim, probably loveliest face at Bliss, but no boobs. Her legs, face, ass, and long natural hair are her best assets. She's a coyote, maybe #116, I forgot and always eyeing me ever since I've first gone to that club awhile back. When I paid bar her, I told her "not short, not long but you don't have to worry about money with me. " I tell this to every girl I grab at the Go Go bars. As we were barhopping to other strip bars, I noticed she was drinking like a fish in order to get drunk. I was drinking as well but not drunk at all. After we left What's Up, she asked if I had alcohol back in my room, to which I didn't. She looked disappointed. Just for fun, I pretended I was drunk. Bad mistake, this girl here kept trying to bareback me with her pussy. She climbed on top after a nice long BBBJ and was grabbing for cock to stick it in. What the fuck? This has been a trend lately with me. I pushed her off and flipped her on her back to lick her a bit (but I really didn't want to). It was just buying me time to grab the condom. We banged pretty hard after that. Funny thing is the condom needed up breaking anyways but I didn't know. I was about to cum and it just started feeling better. Just to be safe I pulled out and saw the tear. I pulled off the condom and had her finish me with her mouth and came on her pretty face. Afterwards, she got angry that I told her I want to sleep alone. The girl flipped out because I didn't want her to sleep over. I was like "I'm paying 5000 baht and you get to leave at 1 am. "She was like" I want to sleep with you and boom boom many times." Um. No you have to go and kicked her ass out. She got angry and called me a "butterfly" and left with her 5000 baht. I'm beginning to think her trying to get drunk, trying bareback me, and trying sleep over, was all a ploy or game to trap me somehow. Bliss and Palace have the same owner and many girls know each other between the bars. I'm sure they told her some stuff about me when I went to the bathroom at Palace. Strange girl indeed.

Update: the 24 year old virgin from Iron.

We exchanged LINE after I popped her cherry the other night with her model friend. Bad mistake. Can't shake the girl. She wants to try again but outside the club. I think she playing a game with Monkeypaw that she will lose. I need to avoid her. Hopefully now that she's broken in, somebody else can take her off my hands and she will go with other customers. But she's so damn cute, maybe I'll train her slowly.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2204044]I made the report last month about the chick I met on WeChat and Tinder that came to stay for 1000. She wanted to come again a couple nights later but I told her I did not have money. She said that is no problem and asked how much I could give her. I didn't really want her to come so I told her 500. She said okay come get me at 9 pm.[/QUOTE]Congratulations. I am unable to pull that off.

I had to give up on 2 afro girls who had the kind of body I like because they were not happy with 1500 ST in late afternoon. They insisted on 500 more "for taxi". I ended up blocking them from my Whatsapp. Maybe I would have gone along if they had asked for 2000 upfront rather than pulling the taxi scam at the last minute.

The only girls I found easy to bargain down (were I heartless and stingy enough to do so) are the poor souls on Beach Road.

[QUOTE=XXL;2204284]Congratulations. I am unable to pull that off.

I had to give up on 2 afro girls who had the kind of body I like because they were not happy with 1500 ST in late afternoon. They insisted on 500 more "for taxi". I ended up blocking them from my Whatsapp. Maybe I would have gone along if they had asked for 2000 upfront rather than pulling the taxi scam at the last minute.[/QUOTE]I am speaking about Thai chicks. I have only even spoken to 3 African chicks over the years and only 1 I have asked about prices. She wanted 1500ST like you said. I tried to talk her to 1000 and she said no. And that is the reason I have never fucked her. I am not giving anyone in a third world country 1500ST. I can fuck strippers back home for that much. I did post the African chick's picture a few months ago. I think her name was Vanessa or something. Taxi money? I have never even seen one of those chicks on a motorbike. They walk everywhere.

[QUOTE=Allover;2203847]Interesting observations especially since many of us are considering living there. But your experience seems to differ from guys like Mr. E and Banana Boi. I don't know how old they are but they seem to like it there.

For now I am spending 6 weeks each year in Thailand. I may expand my visit to two months next year. Seems like the best of both worlds for me.

I'm a late 60's overweight guy and I occasionally get very hot looking girls. Not like when I was younger but it happens. I have upped by game a bit as MonkeyPaw would say and I don't give a shit if I get rejected any more. That is key now. Move on to the next one. I will be here for another 2 weeks and love it. Good luck and thank for your opinions.[/QUOTE]It's great going to Thailand as an older dude. When you are young and that little head is screaming you are in a frenzy to cram as much hot succulent clam into your life as possible because you only got two weeks!

Now I'm up to 6 month stays and I'm with this dude! #34 is being a byatch? The waitress in the GoGo is a pain. Move on. Hey I'll just go home watch TV and try. Tomorrow!

Will be visting Thailand next week purely for mongering.

Will be at Pattya and Bankok.

Beautiful face are my weakness.

If any can share pointers, will be highly obliged.

[QUOTE=Monocef;2204631]If any can share pointers, will be highly obliged.[/QUOTE]Here is a collection of pointers for you.

[QUOTE=Allover;2203847]Interesting observations especially since many of us are considering living there. But your experience seems to differ from guys like Mr. E and Banana Boi. I don't know how old they are but they seem to like it there.[/QUOTE]Your own experiences should be the deciding factor in how long you plan on spending in Thailand or if you plan on retiring here, not what the negative poster, Mr. E, or I say on this board should be a deciding factor.

[QUOTE=Monocef;2204631]Will be visting Thailand next week purely for mongering.

Will be at Pattya and Bankok.

Beautiful face are my weakness.

If any can share pointers, will be highly obliged.[/QUOTE]Do what Monkeypaw does. His girls have pretty faces imo. Hopefully you're not on a budget.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2204926]Your own experiences should be the deciding factor in how long you plan on spending in Thailand or if you plan on retiring here, not what the negative poster, Mr. E, or I say on this board should be a deciding factor.[/QUOTE]That is definitely the bottom line. Every man has to live for himself. I definitely would not stay somewhere where I am not happy. I was scuba diving in Belize a couple of weeks ago. There were a bunch of foreigners that go there every year and a bunch that live there. I don't know what they see in the place. It was good for a couple of days of scuba diving, but after that I was ready to get the hell out of there.

Has anyone experienced a one drink minimum charge at any of the Soi 6 bars when taking a girl upstairs for ST boom boom?

A few nights ago I was standing on the street outside I think it was callled "Lust on Soi 6" bar, and had negotiated with a girl for boom boom. She said that the room charge was 350 baht. Even confirmed the price in thai language, of which I know the numbers. Then when I got to the bar inside to pay for the room, the chick behind the bar said 550 baht.

I said WTF and walked straight out thinking I was being had.

Later I experienced something similar at "Miss be-Haven" bar where I was quoted 500 baht for "Room charge with no drink".

However everywhere else there has been no mention of any drink minimum, and room charges have been in the 350 to 400 baht range. And BTW, all chicks I have taken were really excellent fucks.

[QUOTE=Franga;2204995]Has anyone experienced a one drink minimum charge at any of the Soi 6 bars when taking a girl upstairs for ST boom boom?[/QUOTE]They tried to get me like that in Cambodia a few months back. But it was more than one drink. I told them they were out of their fucking minds and they waived it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2204302]I am speaking about Thai chicks. I have only even spoken to 3 African chicks over the years and only 1 I have asked about prices. She wanted 1500ST like you said. I tried to talk her to 1000 and she said no. And that is the reason I have never fucked her. I am not giving anyone in a third world country 1500ST. I can fuck strippers back home for that much. I did post the African chick's picture a few months ago. I think her name was Vanessa or something. Taxi money? I have never even seen one of those chicks on a motorbike. They walk everywhere.[/QUOTE]Love you Mr E. So great to see that other mongers stick to their guns when it comes to price and expectations. Now, if we could convince the rest of them; we'd all have a lot more fun.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2204721]Here is a collection of pointers for you.[/QUOTE]This will help.

[QUOTE=Franga;2204995]Has anyone experienced a one drink minimum charge at any of the Soi 6 bars when taking a girl upstairs for ST boom boom?
Snip.[/QUOTE]Yes, last year in one of the bars on the right-hand side, about the middle of the soi, heading towards Beach Road. Negotiated with the girl and was then told that I had to buy a beer for myself for 95 Bhat. I didn't like it but I bought it because the girl was hot. After I bought the beer, they told me I had to buy her a drink. At that point, I said fuck it and cancelled the session, finished my beer, and left.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2205137]Yes, last year in one of the bars on the right-hand side, about the middle of the soi, heading towards Beach Road. Negotiated with the girl and was then told that I had to buy a beer for myself for 95 Bhat. I didn't like it but I bought it because the girl was hot. After I bought the beer, they told me I had to buy her a drink. At that point, I said fuck it and cancelled the session, finished my beer, and left.[/QUOTE]Thai business logic at its best. Lose a 300-350 baht barfine to make 100 baht off a lady drink (160 baht less 50 baht to girl less 10 baht for 'liquor' Also upset your girls since they lose a customer.

Never experienced this drink issue but I will always buy myself and the girl a drink no matter how hot she is. I throw back pretty duds all the time on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Monocef;2204631]Will be visting Thailand next week purely for mongering.

Will be at Pattya and Bankok.

Beautiful face are my weakness.

If any can share pointers, will be highly obliged.[/QUOTE]Noticed you post a lot in the India forum -- are you from there and ethnically Indian? I ask because the topic of TG / Bar discrimination is well covered although ultimately boils down to your behavior and willingness to spend. Also, I have found that a beautiful face is quite subjective as there are more "Western" style looks which a place like Sapphire caters to vs. "Japanese / Korean" style which places like Palace, Baccara, etc. Would be better for.

Enjoy your trip.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2205137]Yes, last year in one of the bars on the right-hand side, about the middle of the soi, heading towards Beach Road. Negotiated with the girl and was then told that I had to buy a beer for myself for 95 Bhat. I didn't like it but I bought it because the girl was hot. After I bought the beer, they told me I had to buy her a drink. At that point, I said fuck it and cancelled the session, finished my beer, and left.[/QUOTE]After spending a grand to set foot on soi 6 (airfare, hotel, taxi etc) the choice to pass on a rare HOT girl as you so put it is 'unexpected'. I do wonder if those bar tabs can easily be 'voided' so the girl running the cashier area can pocket some money. Think I'd tell the girl behind the desk 'sure, give the girl a san miguel' and I'd drink the thing while the girl got her drink cut.

Guys,

I love Pattaya, a regular reader but I generally stick to the Beach Road, love the value for money there. In the next trip I'm planning I am in mood to try out some fetishes. For instance I want a rimjob but I wonder how I will communicate that while picking up the girl at BR. Another is of a threesome but I think this is more suited to bar girls as two friends who get along can accompany me though I wish something on BR was available.

I visited a number of bars on Soi 6 late last year and I never had a bar require me to buy a drink before barfining a girl. I know because I don't drink at all (unless I'm thirsty, in which case I would get a water). In my case, I would just look for a girl, talk to her for 15-20 seconds and then, suggest going to the room when I found one who looked good, which is a little difficult for me to find on Soi 6.

If a bar tries this you-have-to-buy-a-drink crap on me this year, I'll be inclined to just say, "Ah, ok, understand" and turn around and walk out. That's BS.

Is the problem with asking for a rim job, you are embarrassed to ask? I kind of understand that, but you need to just get passed that. Ask for what you want, if they won't do it and move on or accept they won't do it and go with her anyway if she meets yout other requiremnts.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2205237]Guys,

I love Pattaya, a regular reader but I generally stick to the Beach Road, love the value for money there. In the next trip I'm planning I am in mood to try out some fetishes. For instance I want a rimjob but I wonder how I will communicate that while picking up the girl at BR. Another is of a threesome but I think this is more suited to bar girls as two friends who get along can accompany me though I wish something on BR was available.[/QUOTE]

I've taken girls upstairs about three times in the past few weeks including yesterday. I have never been required to buy a drink although I did a few times. Room charge was B300-B350 at every bar I visited.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2205237]Guys,

I love Pattaya, a regular reader but I generally stick to the Beach Road, love the value for money there. In the next trip I'm planning I am in mood to try out some fetishes. For instance I want a rimjob but I wonder how I will communicate that while picking up the girl at BR. Another is of a threesome but I think this is more suited to bar girls as two friends who get along can accompany me though I wish something on BR was available.[/QUOTE]Always ask if the girl will do as you wish and the worse case is she says no and walks away. Sometimes a FL girl who you have LT will surprise you and rim you or offer services out of the blue. I had one girl tell me via Line on her way to me no anal and after 39 minutes asked me to fuck her ass! Regarding 3 ways you can ask the Beach Road girls if they have a friend but in my experience if the girls aren't really into girls and eachother don't waste your time or money. I have had only 1 great 3 way and that was with a bi-sexual couple, both girls, who lived as a couple. I have had 2,3,4 and 5 girls at the one time and although good it wasn't great and in hindsight a total waste of money.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2205336]..... I have had 2,3,4 and 5 girls at the one time and although good it wasn't great and in hindsight a total waste of money.

Rob.[/QUOTE]What do you do with 5 girls at one time? Line them up and let them take turns? Do they even all fit on the bed at the same time?

Sounds cool and you got my respect for doing it.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2205371]What do you do with 5 girls at one time? Line them up and let them take turns?[/QUOTE]Pretty much. The number of girls involved at one time and amount of girl / girl action depends on how much the girls are really into it vs if it was just cheap promises in the bar.

Of course, many enjoy just sitting back and watching the girls play amongst themselves.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2205371]Do they even all fit on the bed at the same time?

Sounds cool and you got my respect for doing it.[/QUOTE]Depending how big you are, 1 plus 3 or 4 should fit ok at one time for the fun times. For sleeping, its normally 4 wide with the remainder sleeping east-west on the foot of the bed. Sounds conjested but the girls are use to sleeping many to a bed at home.

I agree with Rob that it's a great bucket list inclusion but reality seldom meets expectations.

I am probably going to get flamed for this.

I get it that it sucks to be asked to pay for a LD before taking a girl upstairs. But then think about the money you spent to get here in the first place. Think about the money you are spending on hotels. On food. Etc.

Then think about the fact that you are walking away from a girl you like without fucking her for a measly $3 - $5. That to me, gentlemen, does not make sense.

[QUOTE=NRock;2205221]Noticed you post a lot in the India forum -- are you from there and ethnically Indian? I ask because the topic of TG / Bar discrimination is well covered although ultimately boils down to your behavior and willingness to spend. Also, I have found that a beautiful face is quite subjective as there are more "Western" style looks which a place like Sapphire caters to vs. "Japanese / Korean" style which places like Palace, Baccara, etc. Would be better for.

Enjoy your trip.[/QUOTE]Yes I am from India and do faced discrimination in past at Manila.

Some girls just refused to talk. I do pay heavily to suitable partner.

Which bar to avoid to have less problem of of racism.

Thanks a ton for your input.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2205380]
Then think about the fact that you are walking away from a girl you like without fucking her for a measly $3 - $5. That to me, gentlemen, does not make sense.[/QUOTE]For me it makes a lot of sense instead! Is not about money, is about do not be scammed. Drinks and Ladydrinks are NOT mandatory in soi6. So if the girl said the ladydrinks is mandatory is a BS or if the cashier charge a ladydrink on your bill without you ordering it is a scam.

Everybody looking for cheapest flight and try to get a great offers for booking a hotel with discounted price.

So why should we let ourselves be cheated in the bars? Just because the girl is cute? No thanks, I'm not starve for pussy. There are thousands of fish in the sea.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2205371]What do you do with 5 girls at one time? [/QUOTE]Easy, I do this!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2205325]Is the problem with asking for a rim job, you are embarrassed to ask? I kind of understand that, but you need to just get passed that. Ask for what you want, if they won't do it and move on or accept they won't do it and go with her anyway if she meets yout other requiremnts.[/QUOTE]Nope not embarrassed one bit, I think that ship sailed a long time ago, I'm more concerned about the language problem. Will they understand what rimjob means? If they don't I'm struggling to think how I would explain it to them.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2205336]Always ask if the girl will do as you wish and the worse case is she says no and walks away. Sometimes a FL girl who you have LT will surprise you and rim you or offer services out of the blue. I had one girl tell me via Line on her way to me no anal and after 39 minutes asked me to fuck her ass! Regarding 3 ways you can ask the Beach Road girls if they have a friend but in my experience if the girls aren't really into girls and eachother don't waste your time or money. I have had only 1 great 3 way and that was with a bi-sexual couple, both girls, who lived as a couple. I have had 2,3,4 and 5 girls at the one time and although good it wasn't great and in hindsight a total waste of money.

Rob.[/QUOTE]Yup this is true even in ST sometimes the girls get "carried away" and do extra stuff. I also understand the rest of your post I think it's just one of those fantasies in my head which won't be that good in real life.

[QUOTE=Monocef;2205413]Yes I am from India and do faced discrimination in past at Manila.

Some girls just refused to talk. I do pay heavily to suitable partner.

Which bar to avoid to have less problem of of racism.

Thanks a ton for your input.[/QUOTE]This is just my observation as I am not Indian but have spoken to visitors about the issue.

BKK: I think Nana Plaza is a little more open to Indians than Soi Cowboy, Billboard in particular. After-hour clubs like Insanity, Mixx, Levels will let you in if you dress well- I have seen many Indian guys at these venues from Dubai or London doing stag parties, etc.

Pattaya: Sapphire is really good for non Asians. I actually think Insomnia / Ibar, Lucifer, 808 are all pretty open to Indians (again, as long as you appear to be cool). Just avoid going to the bars that cater specifically to Japanese / Korean like Baccara, Peppermint, Palace as I very rarely see even more than a handful of white guys there. The soapy Rasputin is also worth checking out and I've seen tons of Indian guys there before.

Tip: Make sure you dress well, are not stingy with drinks, to a certain degree let the girl choose you, and make sure you book your own room. For some reason Indian guys have a really bad reputation of doing room-shares with guy friends which the girls hate.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2205371]What do you do with 5 girls at one time? Line them up and let them take turns? Do they even all fit on the bed at the same time?

Sounds cool and you got my respect for doing it.[/QUOTE]What did I do with 5 girls? Not as much as I should have! At times when I had a pussy on my face I know 1 or 2 went MIA LOL. Thai girls are pretty small so fitting on the bed wasn't a problem and all but one left after 5 hours so sleeping wasn't a problem.

It's ticked off the bucket list but I wouldn't do it again.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2205380]I am probably going to get flamed for this.

I get it that it sucks to be asked to pay for a LD before taking a girl upstairs. But then think about the money you spent to get here in the first place. Think about the money you are spending on hotels. On food. Etc.

Then think about the fact that you are walking away from a girl you like without fucking her for a measly $3 - $5. That to me, gentlemen, does not make sense.[/QUOTE]I always buy the girl a drink and have one myself. First I use that time as an interview to make sure there are no surprises when you are doing the deed and secondly I find it relaxing. For me it is a big investment of time for my 8 days away each year so I'm not going to let a couple of dollars stop me from securing a stunner.

Maybe it's cultural, but I never enter a bar anywhere in the world and sit without buying a drink regardless of my reason for being there.

Rob.

I have now a few more business visits to make in Thailand. Hence, I take the opportunity for a few days of relaxation in Pattaya.

The last couple of days here have been quite amazing. The first girls were all from gogo bars, and I was very lucky. I had only very nice girls with good to great service and nice personalities. On top, they were quite pretty. Bar fines were regularly 1'500 THB. In some places (Soi LK Metro), the bar fine is 1'000 for regular girls and 1'500 THB for "show girls" The girls' fee for ST was normally 2'000 THB and once 2'500 THB for an extraordinarily nice girl. Sometimes, they come up with the 2'000 THB straight forward, sometimes, you need some negotiation. E. g. One girl of the Lighthouse wanted 3'000 THB for ST. I countered 2'000 THB and told her that I know the market, and that this is the going rate. She tried for a moment with 2'500 THB, but when she realized that I was serious about the 2'000 THB, she agreed.

However, this is still quite a bit of money. So, I changed my strategy and searched the Beach Road. If you are lucky and come early enough (I think after 8 PM should be ok), there are quite some cuties. Yesterday, I was a bit later, but I was still lucky. One slim and nice girl just came back from buying some drinks. We got into a short discussion, and she offered ST for 800 THB. In this case, I didn't even want to negotiate anymore. The service was then great (very nice BBBJ, DATY, and FS in various positions). This was worth every Baht.

I was not always in the mood of hunting. So, I had now two oil massages so far. As usual, the girls ask you after a while, whether your little brother also needs a massage. In the first case, I told her to try. When I started then to grab her, she complained a bit (not seriously) and said that this would only allowed if we had FS, I. E. "boom-boom". Well, then, my answer was clear: so let's do boom-boom! First, the girl was perplex, but then she offered FS for 2'000 THB. Still a bit high, but I found it so interesting, in a regular massage place that I agreed. It was average sex with an average girl in an extraordinary situation. Lots of fun.

Another time, it was already very late, close to 2 AM and after some gogo visit. The regular massage place "Siam First Massage" in Second Road was still open, and I saw a cutie sitting outside. So, we agreed on massage. Oil massage, in order to be precise. When we walked up the stairs, there was an unambiguous sign "No Sex". The girl did then a normal "vegetarian" massage, and only at the very end, she asked whether I would like a massage for my little brother. I asked how much this would be. She wanted then me to make a proposal. I hesitated. Then, I said 1'000 THB. But for boom-boom. She was a bit shocked and said that this was not possible. But then, she countered with 1'500 THB. The deal was made. She is a really pretty girl, about 1. 65 m tall, slim with good body, pretty face, really cute and nice personality. Much prettier than the normal massage girls or ladies respectively would be ladies. After some tit licking, I concentrated on DATY. She had washed her pussy before we began. She became very horny and came at least once during DATY. Then, she came again during FS, and she was very wet. I found this FS on the massage bed in the hidden really thrilling. It was outstanding. And, no bar fine needed. Also, no "room upstairs" is required, and you may easily skip the usual tip (100 THB) for the massage girl. So, if you find a nice and cute girl, it looks like an affordable option.

Conclusion: whatever they say or write. FS is available everywhere in Pattaya, and there are still plenty of affordable options.

I also don't find that the gogo girls got uglier over the years. I come to Pattaya regularly since 1993. If I look back, I always found pretty ones and ugly ones. The same today, and I don't think the balance has much changed. The only problem is probably that we all became a bit more selective and picker.

Wonderer. Still for a few days in pussy paradise.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2205380]I get it that it sucks to be asked to pay for a LD before taking a girl upstairs. But then think about the money you spent to get here in the first place. Think about the money you are spending on hotels. On food. Etc.

Then think about the fact that you are walking away from a girl you like without fucking her for a measly $3 - $5. That to me, gentlemen, does not make sense.[/QUOTE][Decided to delete my rambling text/post because JimmyBoy99 managed to say everything I meant but much more concisely with his brilliant writing]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2205380]I am probably going to get flamed for this.

I get it that it sucks to be asked to pay for a LD before taking a girl upstairs. But then think about the money you spent to get here in the first place. Think about the money you are spending on hotels. On food. Etc.

Then think about the fact that you are walking away from a girl you like without fucking her for a measly $3 - $5. That to me, gentlemen, does not make sense.[/QUOTE]I didn't go to Pattaya to fuck this particular girl, as there are hundreds of other to fuck. As other members have posted, it is not the money, but being taken for a fool that was offensive. It was a means of driving up the price without actually stating it. My mistake was buying the beer. Once I agreed to the beer, they thought they had a live one and pulled the lady drink scam. Had I fallen for that, the girl would probably have come up with some extra fees in the room since she would have thought I was a pushover. I should of have just said no to the beer and told the girl did she want to go to the room or not and take it from there. I'm pretty sure I fucked some one else after this without the drink scam.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2205647]As other members have posted, it is not the money, but being taken for a fool that was offensive.[/QUOTE]Damn! You said in one sentence what I was trying to communicate in all my paragraphs of rambling. Well said sir!

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2205632]...
Conclusion: whatever they say or write. FS is available everywhere in Pattaya, and there are still plenty of affordable options.[/QUOTE]With the following caveat: only girls working in the sex industry are available. The tons of good (better) looking girls working as waitresses, shop assistants etc are not. I wish Bangkok Bank employees for instance were available. They are good-looking and nearly as tall as ladyboys.

The non-availability of non-working girls is as high in Thailand as in Europe.

In massages I generally draw blank because whenever I'm aiming at a masseuse the whole team will manoeuver for me to miss her and be set up with one of the grannies. They will often chuckle among themselves about my misfortune, or so it seems to me as a non speaker of their language. I am not talking about the young hot thing who is there as a bait only and never does massages. I only go for one of the MILFs but that, it seems, is still too ambitious an aim in modern-day Thailand.

[QUOTE=XXL;2205666]The non-availability of non-working girls is as high in Thailand as in Europe.[/QUOTE]You are correct sir! Thailand is completely binary. Either they do or don't, will or won't. Pattaya is completely overrun with poor and dark Isaan poon that most legit Thai men (as in non-laborers, non-motorbike taxi, or businessmen) won't go near. Newbie farang goes to Patts, fall in love and marry. Once in Sukhamvit Rd. A very hot non-pro gave me a look to kill me upon my proposition, hehe!

[QUOTE=XXL;2205666]With the following caveat: only girls working in the sex industry are available. The tons of good (better) looking girls working as waitresses, shop assistants etc are NOT. I wish Bangkok Bank employees for instance were available.[/QUOTE]A few weeks ago, on a wet rainy night about 9 pm I was on a Baht bus on Second Rd. At one stop, a very beautiful but soaking wet 30 year old Got on the bus.

She looked at me then shyly looked away. I asked her, "Where you go? She was on her way home to Jomtien. She then asked me where I go and I said back to my Hotel on Soi Bukhao. I then asked her if she would like to come to my room to dry off and have a coffee. She hesitated for while, then said yes.

What followed was a fantastic all night sex marathon. She works at a makeup counter in a store and is no way a pro. She said she did this to spice up her otherwise dull life. YMMV!

[QUOTE=XXL;2205666]With the following caveat: only girls working in the sex industry are available. The tons of good (better) looking girls working as waitresses, shop assistants etc are not.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking you are right but it's not as black and white as you state it. There's also a gray area. Quite a lot of girls with normal jobs are available as well. I've had some waitresses, sales ladies and nurses for example. All found through WeChat or Badoo.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2205780]Generally speaking you are right but it's not as black and white as you state it. There's also a gray area.[/QUOTE]Oh it is gray as a mf. Like 6 years ago I was fucking this midget. I met her on tagged, but when I put her number in my phone it was already there with Walking Street beside her name. So evidently I met her there first but forgot about her. She used to come over every night. Never had to give her any money. Then there was a flood in Bangkok. She said she was there helping her sister move because her place got flooded out. She told me to pick her up from the bus station when she got back to Pattaya. We got back to her place and she dumped her backpack out on the bed. And there it was. Toiletries from the Nana Hotel. I went berserk. (Not really, but I was playing a role.) I told her I knew exactly what goes on at the Nana Hotel. She said her sister's boyfriend was staying there. So I stopped dealing with her because she is a big liar.

I haven't seen her since then. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago and Cool met the same chick on the baht bus and she told him she needs money. And he said some of our other buddies fucked her years ago for money. She finally got her little kid too. Whenever I used to try to put on a condom she would snatch it out my hand and throw it across the room.

Last month I met a chick on Tinder. She said she is from Bangkok. She has a car and all. I went to her room early one morning after leaving another chick's place. She had just gotten a nose job and her friend was in the room recovering from a tit job. After a while she sent her friend to another room she has there and she sucked my dick for an hour. She said when she recovers from the nose job she can do it better and longer. Then we fucked like rabbits. I picked up her phone and made a video and took pictures of our session. We passed out. Woke up about 1 pm and I went home.

A few days later she came to my place. Started sucking my dick all good again. I tried to pick up her phone to make more videos and pics but she would not let me. So I picked up my phone and did it. No objection from her. I have never given this chick one baht and whenever I ask her what she does for work she says it is a secret.

Delayed report of a one night in Pattaya last month. Stayed in the Baraquda Pattaya McGallery by Sofitel, a nice well located 5 star hotel and very welcoming to guys bringing girls. Arrived in the morning and due to meet a friend who had already spent a few days in Bangkok late afternoon. My reliable pre arranged gogo girl from previous visit was in my room after I checked in. Banging away after which we had lunch together. She left so now if I went to Kinaree then likely I would be rushing so I just opted to wander down Soi 6 supposedly for a chill as I don't rate the Soi 6 girls highly. However I kept my eyes open just in case. After a few circuits and a few drinks I was heading off when I passed Roxy Bar and a young very slim cute sitting in the back head down caught my eye. I went inside and said Hi and offered her a drink. She was a newbie aged 20 and I wasn't sure she even wanted to be bar fined. Anyway she was friendly and when I asked she said sure so off back to the hotel. Tight at first but after a short time she got super wet and got into it. So there are some little cute gems in Soi 6 after all. My friend messaged to say he will be a bit late. I told the girl I was going to Hooters and she surprised me by asking could she join me. OK sure so we went and had a really nice GFE while I waited for my friend. By this time the mamasan was calling and asking where the hell she is and why is she not back at the bar. I am a softie and didn't want her getting into trouble so I took the phone and agreed an extra bar fine for the extra time. My friend arrived and she left and we headed to Touch in LK Metro for 7 pm opening. We took in a few other bars in LK Metro then headed to Walking Street. On my last visit I bar fined from Bliss but the girls had moved on. Took in a few gogo bars then ended up in What's Up at about 1 am. Suggested to my friend we better decide on girls and not keep window shopping. We passed Sapphire. Had a girl there once with a bad attitude so it had put me off. Anyway we went inside and sat. I saw a cute with long hair, a young newbie came into view. Very sweet and natural but looked almost too innocent to really enjoy a good fuck with a guy. Anyway bought her drinks and chatted. I decided I wanted to have sex with her for sure and asked if we go with another girl as maybe that would give her more confidence. I pointed to a smiling girl on stage. Yes she is good she said and I found out later why. So my friend had also decided on his takeaway. We took them all for Thai food. When we reached the hotel the girls eyes opened wide and they said. Great a nice hotel. Perhaps a contrast to some of the not so classy hotels they get taken. They both had killer young bodies and really cute little round asses. Took the more experienced girl first and yeeeees she was really good. Amazing GFE. The cutie shy one lost her shyness when in bed and was encouraged by seeing her friend lead the way. Great fun and great GFE. Obviously my impression of Sapphire changed. So it isn't really the gogo bar but the individual girl you pick that is the big factor. Sorry guys was a bit drunk at the end of the night so no recollection of the names and numbers of the two from Sapphire.

[QUOTE=XXL;2205666]With the following caveat: only girls working in the sex industry are available. [/QUOTE]They all available if you are 20-30 years old. I had good 10 years of free fucking of any of the BKK girls that I picked in streets and bus stations. Then, its stops and I moved to Africa. Give me a time machine and I can prove it.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2205602]
but I never enter a bar anywhere in the world and sit without buying a drink regardless of my reason for being there.
Rob.[/QUOTE]The discussion was about ladydrink scam in soi6. In soi6 girls are outside the bars and you can exchange few words with them without entering and then go straight upstairs for ST. Of course, if you sit in the bar you have to order a drink for you, it's normal.

[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2205805]Delayed report of a one night in Pattaya last month. Stayed in the Baraquda Pattaya McGallery by Sofitel, a nice well located 5 star hotel and very welcoming to guys bringing girls. Arrived in the morning and due to meet a friend who had already spent a few days in Bangkok late afternoon. My reliable pre arranged gogo girl from previous visit was in my room after I checked in. Banging away after which we had lunch together. She left so now if I went to Kinaree then likely I would be rushing so I just opted to wander down Soi 6 supposedly for a chill as I don't rate the Soi 6 girls highly. However I kept my eyes open just in case. After a few circuits and a few drinks I was heading off when I passed Roxy Bar and a young very slim cute sitting in the back head down caught my eye. I went inside and said Hi and offered her a drink. She was a newbie aged 20 and I wasn't sure she even wanted to be bar fined. Anyway she was friendly and when I asked she said sure so off back to the hotel. Tight at first but after a short time she got super wet and got into it. So there are some little cute gems in Soi 6 after all. My friend messaged to say he will be a bit late. I told the girl I was going to Hooters and she surprised me by asking could she join me. OK sure so we went and had a really nice GFE while I waited for my friend. By this time the mamasan was calling and asking where the hell she is and why is she not back at the bar. I am a softie and didn't want her getting into trouble so I took the phone and agreed an extra bar fine for the extra time. My friend arrived and she left and we headed to Touch in LK Metro for 7 pm opening. We took in a few other bars in LK Metro then headed to Walking Street. On my last visit I bar fined from Bliss but the girls had moved on. Took in a few gogo bars then ended up in What's Up at about 1 am. Suggested to my friend we better decide on girls and not keep window shopping. We passed Sapphire. Had a girl there once with a bad attitude so it had put me off. Anyway we went inside and sat. I saw a cute with long hair, a young newbie came into view. Very sweet and natural but looked almost too innocent to really enjoy a good fuck with a guy. Anyway bought her drinks and chatted. I decided I wanted to have sex with her for sure and asked if we go with another girl as maybe that would give her more confidence. I pointed to a smiling girl on stage. Yes she is good she said and I found out later why. So my friend had also decided on his takeaway. We took them all for Thai food. When we reached the hotel the girls eyes opened wide and they said. Great a nice hotel. Perhaps a contrast to some of the not so classy hotels they get taken. They both had killer young bodies and really cute little round asses. Took the more experienced girl first and yeeeees she was really good. Amazing GFE. The cutie shy one lost her shyness when in bed and was encouraged by seeing her friend lead the way. Great fun and great GFE. Obviously my impression of Sapphire changed. So it isn't really the gogo bar but the individual girl you pick that is the big factor. Sorry guys was a bit drunk at the end of the night so no recollection of the names and numbers of the two from Sapphire.[/QUOTE]Hi Gogoz.

Good report. It's a shame the girls from Bliss have moved on but I have 8 days next visit so if they are in Pattaya I will try to find them LOL. Some guys don't get it when it comes to spending that little extra on accomodation, I have noticed that if the room is 4 to 5 stars the girls stay longer and if you are a guy who repeats they are more then likely to return.

You didn't find the cute girl from Kinnaree? And no bar staff this time LOL.

Enjoy Bangkok this weekend.

Rob.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2205907]The discussion was about ladydrink scam in soi6. In soi6 girls are outside the bars and you can exchange few words with them without entering and then go straight upstairs for ST. Of course, if you sit in the bar you have to order a drink for you, it's normal.[/QUOTE]OK now I get the picture. I usually have an interview process so if I see a girl I like I will buy her a drink and have one myself. I know it's Thailand and something's don't make sense but why don't they increase the price by 150 baht and give you a "free drink"? It's probably time to name the bars so punters can be aware.

Rob.

My only trip to Pattaya was for 2 nights in early November 2017. At that time the beach side of Beach Road had very few freelancers, perhaps 5 or 10 between Walking Street and Soi 6. One of the girls on the other side of Beach Road told me that the police chased them off the beach side. Based on more recent YouTube videos, it appears the FL scene on Beach Road is strong again.

I'm planning another trip to Pattaya, but I want to go when the FL scene on Beach Road is strong. Can anyone explain what happened in November 2017 and when I should avoid for my 2018 trip?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2206063]I'm planning another trip to Pattaya, but I want to go when the FL scene on Beach Road is strong. Can anyone explain what happened in November 2017 and when I should avoid for my 2018 trip?[/QUOTE]You can't go by that. It may be flourishing when you get on the plane then when you get off it could be shut down. Just go with an open mind and have fun.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2206063]My only trip to Pattaya was for 2 nights in early November 2017. At that time the beach side of Beach Road had very few freelancers, perhaps 5 or 10 between Walking Street and Soi 6. One of the girls on the other side of Beach Road told me that the police chased them off the beach side. Based on more recent YouTube videos, it appears the FL scene on Beach Road is strong again.

I'm planning another trip to Pattaya, but I want to go when the FL scene on Beach Road is strong. Can anyone explain what happened in November 2017 and when I should avoid for my 2018 trip?[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly, there was some sort of Naval thing and they wanted beach road cleaned up. From what I understand, this happens from time to time. The girls are back in a few days.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2206065]You can't go by that. It may be flourishing when you get on the plane then when you get off it could be shut down. Just go with an open mind and have fun.[/QUOTE]Agree strongly with Mr. E. I've been in Pattaya on and off for the past three weeks. Most of the time there have been lots of girls on Beach Road. On one night I noticed many girls standing on the other side of the road. I'm guessing there was some police activity that night. The last two nights have been very slow probably due to the holiday.

From what I have seen and read here the situation changes occasionally. But the Beach Road girls always go back to work before long.

I'm hoping the Go-Go's will finally open again tonight.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2206088]If I remember correctly, there was some sort of Naval thing and they wanted beach road cleaned up. From what I understand, this happens from time to time. The girls are back in a few days.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember something about Navy activity, but I don't know what. I didn't see any sailors in uniform while I was there. Go figure.

I still had much fun those 2 days. Took one girl from a walking street go-go, I think the bar might have been called Skyfall, or something like that. Had another girl from the tiny FL selection on Beach road. Did one of the soapy places, maybe called Rasputin of something like that. And then brought a girl from Soi 6 to my hotel. That was a very busy 52 hours for an old man like me. I missed LK Metro and I don't know what else.

I was disappointed in the freelancer and the soapy girl. Had a great time with the go go girl and the Soi 6 girl.

Even on a bad day, Pattaya is a great place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2206065]You can't go by that. It may be flourishing when you get on the plane then when you get off it could be shut down. Just go with an open mind and have fun.[/QUOTE]I can be harsh but instead, I will be nice because as I always say something comes over people thinking when they get here pussy has a unknown powers?

That is why they call them Freelancers? Allows them to come and go and ask and command what they feel? As people post you break it down and it will explain more than is written which is girls move around. Regardless, of whether it is a Beer Bar or Go Go for example if they don't make what they want or can't meet the requirements they move on. You see reports each day, girls work so and so now they are working at so and so? It isn't like a job we have, study pay, benefits, medical, pension?

None of that exists so they move on! That being said even for pussy you got to put in the effort and time.

[QUOTE=Allover;2206146]
I'm hoping the Go-Go's will finally open again tonight.[/QUOTE]They'll open at midnight on walking street.

[QUOTE=Allover;2206146]Most of the time there have been lots of girls on Beach Road. On one night I noticed many girls standing on the other side of the road. [/QUOTE]

This seems to be a regular occurrence now on the side sois between Soi 12 and Soi Post Office.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2206063]My only trip to Pattaya was for 2 nights in early November 2017. At that time the beach side of Beach Road had very few freelancers, perhaps 5 or 10 between Walking Street and Soi 6. One of the girls on the other side of Beach Road told me that the police chased them off the beach side. Based on more recent YouTube videos, it appears the FL scene on Beach Road is strong again.

I'm planning another trip to Pattaya, but I want to go when the FL scene on Beach Road is strong. Can anyone explain what happened in November 2017 and when I should avoid for my 2018 trip?[/QUOTE]Beach Road is still alive!

But nowadays they often use the Sidewalk at the other Side of the Road.

On the Sidewalk are often more Girls as at beachroad.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2206156]I can be harsh but instead, I will be nice because as I always say something comes over people thinking when they get here pussy has a unknown powers?
[/QUOTE]Heck, I know exactly what comes over me. My IQ drops 30 points as soon as I land at BKK. That makes my little head more powerful than my big head.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2206458]Heck, I know exactly what comes over me. My IQ drops 30 points as soon as I land at BKK. That makes my little head more powerful than my big head.[/QUOTE]Your admission and honesty are what set you apart from so many? Yes, your big head lost is your little one gain?

[QUOTE=Monocef;2204631]Will be visting Thailand next week purely for mongering.

Will be at Pattya and Bankok.

Beautiful face are my weakness.

If any can share pointers, will be highly obliged.[/QUOTE]My friend and I (Both Indians) have visited Pattaya Four times and here is what we did and had a great time.

- Book in a nice hotel: We always stayed in LK Metropolitan, Two Bedroom Suite (Good first impression, when the girls come into our room). This time we are going to stay in LK Empress (Three bedroom suite).

- Dress like going for a casual dinner in a star hotel (No shorts, only shoes,.) and wear a nice perfume (At least a Hugo boss).

- Get girls from Beach Road, Beer Bar. Do not Negotiate.

- Go to bars like Insomnia and Lucifer, after getting girls.

- Tip the waitress in the Bar for every drink order (We ordered shots every 15 minutes).

- Tip the assistants in the Restroom Area (They provide a wonderful two minute massage, that will freshen you up).

- Tip the doormen when you leave.

- We usually take Foot Massage daily and don't forget to Tip them too (They will recognize you the next time and offer good service).

- Respect the Girls and they will take care of you.

If for any reason a girl is not willing to go with you, don't take any offence and move on to meet the next girl.

We may have to spend some extra money than foreigners as we Indians have a bad reputation and spending extra money is the one of the ways to overcome it.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2206458]Heck, I know exactly what comes over me. My IQ drops 30 points as soon as I land at BKK. [/QUOTE]Look at it from the bright side: your IQ is at the same level then as the IQ of most P4 P girls LOL. Makes it much easier to communicate.

[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2205805]Delayed report of a one night in Pattaya last month. Stayed in the Baraquda Pattaya McGallery by Sofitel, a nice well located 5 star hotel and very welcoming to guys bringing girls.[/QUOTE]Great report. Quick question: Did Sofitel ask the girls to leave passports or IDs or did you just walk in with them? Any issues?

[QUOTE=HectorG;2207197]Great report. Quick question: Did Sofitel ask the girls to leave passports or IDs or did you just walk in with them? Any issues?[/QUOTE]I was with Gogoguyz at the same hotel and I had 4 girls at one time and no ID required. Over my 3 nights there I had a total of 11 girls and only 2 left their ID.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Milky100;2206910]- Tip the waitress in the Bar for every drink order (We ordered shots every 15 minutes).

- Tip the assistants in the Restroom Area (They provide a wonderful two minute massage, that will freshen you up).

- Tip the doormen when you leave.[/QUOTE]It's great that you are trying to break the Indian stereotype but imo there is no need to overcompensate. The key is to just spend and act like everyone else.

There is absolutely no need to tip doormen (or mamasan). A separate tip in the waitress' hand of 100 baht as you leave is sufficient if she treated you nicely throughout your stay. There is no need to order yourself a drink every 15 minutes unless you wanted to drink that quickly. Personally I can't drink 20+ drinks per night. Just order lady drinks and you will immediately have all the girls' attention.

[QUOTE=Milky100;2206910]My friend and I (Both Indians) have visited Pattaya Four times and here is what we did and had a great time.

- Book in a nice hotel: We always stayed in LK Metropolitan, Two Bedroom Suite (Good first impression, when the girls come into our room). This time we are going to stay in LK Empress (Three bedroom suite).

- Dress like going for a casual dinner in a star hotel (No shorts, only shoes,.) and wear a nice perfume (At least a Hugo boss).

- Get girls from Beach Road, Beer Bar. Do not Negotiate.

- Go to bars like Insomnia and Lucifer, after getting girls.

- Tip the waitress in the Bar for every drink order (We ordered shots every 15 minutes).

- Tip the assistants in the Restroom Area (They provide a wonderful two minute massage, that will freshen you up).[/QUOTE]You are really a man full of cash. Three times I went Pattaya with one of my Indian friend.

He scored more than me.

1. he didn't tip doorman. He tipped mamasan if she was helpful.

2. he is a well groomed hygeinc person. No need Hugo. Any local deo work.

3. he negotiated with all gals like I did.

4. he was never denied entry in any club. He showed me some hidden places too.

What he did.

1. always cheerful and smiling.

2. wear casual which suits his personality.

3. he didn't play hide and seek games with eyes.

4. he stayed in same hotel like me.

5. he was not shy to talk to a gal or any stranger.

6. he tipped when he was happy with services.

Damn he did same like me or any other nationality.

Thing was he was a party guy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207287]It's great that you are trying to break the Indian stereotype but imo there is no need to overcompensate. The key is to just spend and act like everyone else.

There is absolutely no need to tip doormen (or mamasan). A separate tip in the waitress' hand of 100 baht as you leave is sufficient if she treated you nicely throughout your stay. There is no need to order yourself a drink every 15 minutes unless you wanted to drink that quickly. Personally, I can't drink 20+ drinks per night. Just order lady drinks and you will immediately have all the girls' attention.[/QUOTE]I agree with the opinion here but of course, I'm not in their shoes. Once you are in you are in even before letting you they say you got to buy a drink. Once you start to tip everyone as mentioned it takes away from the fun. Sadly we are buying their attention but as far as I'm concern there is a limitation regardless if you are Indian.

The door people all been taught to stereotype and profile Indians, one of my favorite spots is sitting and have a shot of Saka on W. S. Location is right in front of the walkway going down Happy GoGo. Right there you get a front row lesson and study of how Indians dress and act because this is where a large number of freelancers stand. You watch the girls for Happy and Beach club waving in customer even Indians you learn a lot?

If Indians are stingy it's something they should be thanked for shouldn't they? Which consistency is there in berating some members for overpaying on the one hand and urging Indians to spend more on the other hand?

You don't have to overdo it my friend. Why the heck would you tip after every drink? You will not swing the opinion about Indians with your generosity. Most go-go or bar girls don't like to go with Indian men because Indians disrespect Thai women. A Lot. This is also the reason why Thai girls avoid Arabs, turks etc. So treating girls like human beings should be at the top of to-do list.

[QUOTE=Milky100;2206910]My friend and I (Both Indians) have visited Pattaya Four times and here is what we did and had a great time.

- Book in a nice hotel: We always stayed in LK Metropolitan, Two Bedroom Suite (Good first impression, when the girls come into our room). This time we are going to stay in LK Empress (Three bedroom suite).

- Dress like going for a casual dinner in a star hotel (No shorts, only shoes,.) and wear a nice perfume (At least a Hugo boss).

- Get girls from Beach Road, Beer Bar. Do not Negotiate.

- Go to bars like Insomnia and Lucifer, after getting girls.

- Tip the waitress in the Bar for every drink order (We ordered shots every 15 minutes)..[/QUOTE]

It's causing Indians problems. They have a terrible reputation. If being stingy is costing you what you want, then don't be stingy. There is a vast difference between overpaying and cheap behavior.

[QUOTE=XXL;2207316]If Indians are stingy it's something they should be thanked for shouldn't they? Which consistency is there in berating some members for overpaying on the one hand and urging Indians to spend more on the other hand?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Milky100;2206910]My friend and I (Both Indians) have visited Pattaya Four times and here is what we did and had a great time.

- Book in a nice hotel: We always stayed in LK Metropolitan, Two Bedroom Suite (Good first impression, when the girls come into our room). This time we are going to stay in LK Empress (Three bedroom suite).

- Dress like going for a casual dinner in a star hotel (No shorts, only shoes,.) and wear a nice perfume (At least a Hugo boss).

- Get girls from Beach Road, Beer Bar. Do not Negotiate.

- Go to bars like Insomnia and Lucifer, after getting girls.

- Tip the waitress in the Bar for every drink order (We ordered shots every 15 minutes).

- Tip the assistants in the Restroom Area (They provide a wonderful two minute massage, that will freshen you up)..[/QUOTE]You do not have to be over liberal. That would be ridiculous. A section of people from other countries also behave improperly and you cannot just generalise about the whole country. And do not be under the impression that it will you will be changing the impression, if they exist, just because you indulge in some excesses.

[QUOTE=XXL;2207316]If Indians are stingy it's something they should be thanked for shouldn't they? Which consistency is there in berating some members for overpaying on the one hand and urging Indians to spend more on the other hand?[/QUOTE]Agree with you. It is individual decision to spend less or more and the same cannot be attributed to only Indians. Similar traits exist with others too. Indian travellers are among the highest spenders worldwide.

[QUOTE=Milky100;2206910]Book in a nice hotel: We always stayed in LK Metropolitan, Two Bedroom Suite (Good first impression, when the girls come into our room). This time we are going to stay in LK Empress (Three bedroom suite).[/QUOTE]Since everybody touched on everything else, I will just say that the girls don't give a fuck about your room. You are not impressing them. If you want a nice room for yourself on vacation then that is a different story. I know chicks that fuck and suck dick in the bathroom at the disco. They don't even need a room. They are in it for the money, not your room. No need to try to impress hookers.

I don't think the problem with Indian brothers is necessarily because they are cheap. No way they are cheaper than me and I don't have half the problems they mention. But a lot of it is the mob mentality. You don't have 10 guys swarm around one woman. That is just wrong. Split up and get your own damn chick.

[QUOTE=XXL;2207316]If Indians are stingy it's something they should be thanked for shouldn't they? Which consistency is there in berating some members for overpaying on the one hand and urging Indians to spend more on the other hand?[/QUOTE]That is funny. I thought the reason to get a hooker was so you did not have to spend more. If you are spending so much to try to impress someone that you have to pay anyway then you got the game confused. That is like buying a shiny new car in order to pull up to McDonald's drive thru. Your hamburgers are not going to be made any different than any of the other customers' and you will still have to pay for the food, same as the customer that walked inside.

[QUOTE=XXL;2207316]If Indians are stingy it's something they should be thanked for shouldn't they? Which consistency is there in berating some members for overpaying on the one hand and urging Indians to spend more on the other hand?[/QUOTE]It is funny at times, I hear it all the times, how the Koreans, Japanese, and now the Chinese dominate a few GoGo and overpay and buy too many drinks and throw too many ping pongs. Not to mention the berating in general that their dicks are short and they cum premature in 3 minutes like short dicks and pre-ejaculation is exclusive to their race rarely aside from me are they defended?

When it comes to Indians, especially in the last few posts no one is berating Indian the few including mines are just opinions many Indian themselves have created and re-enforced from their action in the past and present. Although we are talking, in general, it isn't directed at any particular Indian poster here.

My opinion isn't that Indian are stingy, even when they hold up traffic trying to negotiate a 10 baht ride down to 5 baht, or trying to gang bang a girl a Beach road girl for 500 baht, or sitting in a Go Go in a group and unwilling to buy a drink. None of this means to me Indians are bad people. The bad reputation of these Indians, in general, are harming other Indians who have a better understanding of behavior when traveling abroad who are going a bit overboard paying and tipping to compensate for their privilege of entry which I feel is totally unnecessary.

[QUOTE=Milky100;2206910]My friend and I (Both Indians) have visited Pattaya Four times and here is what we did and had a great time.

- Book in a nice hotel: We always stayed in LK Metropolitan, Two Bedroom Suite (Good first impression, when the girls come into our room). This time we are going to stay in LK Empress (Three bedroom suite).

- Dress like going for a casual dinner in a star hotel (No shorts, only shoes,.) and wear a nice perfume (At least a Hugo boss).

- Get girls from Beach Road, Beer Bar. Do not Negotiate.

- Go to bars like Insomnia and Lucifer, after getting girls.

- Tip the waitress in the Bar for every drink order (We ordered shots every 15 minutes).

- Tip the assistants in the Restroom Area (They provide a wonderful two minute massage, that will freshen you up).

- Tip the doormen when you leave.

- We usually take Foot Massage daily and don't forget to Tip them too (They will recognize you the next time and offer good service).

- Respect the Girls and they will take care of you.

If for any reason a girl is not willing to go with you, don't take any offence and move on to meet the next girl.

We may have to spend some extra money than foreigners as we Indians have a bad reputation and spending extra money is the one of the ways to overcome it.[/QUOTE]Milky, if you and your buddy have been to Pattaya four times recently and had a great time while doing the things you cited in that post, then don't change your methods on any non Indian's advice here. Frankly, anyone who is not Indian can in no way advise an Indian on how to get well laid in Pattaya or anywhere else in Thailand that contradicts what YOU have done to make that happen and learned works quite well for you. It might not require members of other ethnic groups to get a fancy hotel room, to tip here and there so openly almost every step of the way, etc. Maybe they can hold off on tipping only certain staff as a nice gesture on the way OUT of a bar and so on. But I am guessing YOU have discovered from experience as an Indian that getting a bare bones hotel room and holding off on tipping until the end or only for certain staff results in you not getting as well laid as doing so does. You might even have found and observed with your Indian friends that not doing it the way you do it results in barely getting decent sex at all in Thailand, right? Who knows.

If that is true, then keep doing what you're doing. Don't worry, your methods are not ruining anything for me, a Caucasian punter, any more than what the Japanese and Koreans do in Bangkok ruin anything for me. LOL. Especially since I can assure you I have NOT gotten well laid in Pattaya by local Pattaya P4P girls in ANY of the previous 4 trips I've made there (not counting this past weekend trip there). That is, not well laid or sucked by any local Pattaya girls I have WANTED to fuck and be sucked by.

However, I did get extremely well laid and sucked over this past weekend in Pattaya, when most of the bars were closed. How? Simple. I only went there to spend the weekend with a Korat girl I'd met on ThaiFriendly months ago and who had contacted me again out of the blue after traveling there on the holiday weekend to visit her sister. I had completely forgotten the brief exchanges we'd had online back then. She was no stunner, but she was 23 years old, fit, no baby, nice tits, great skin, no tats, no weird piercings and had a very cute face. I'd certainly put her among the top 5% of girls I have ever seen working on Soi 6 in terms of looks and she wouldn't have lasted 20 seconds on Beach Road before being scooped up. The sex with her was fun and totally satisfying, something I had not experienced with a Pattaya P4P girl even once in the 4-5 trips I've taken there recently.

Other than nominal food expenses, all I gave her when she mentioned she wanted to go shopping with her sister on Sunday (LOL. That would be code for "time to pay me for our time together") was 3,000 baht. She was just fine with that. That was for our time together from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, two real GFE fucks and one wonderfully complete real blowjob (hey, I'm 65 friggin' years old now!).

Well, there's my take on how you have made things work for you in Pattaya and my rare Pattaya Reports field report, all in one. Don't know if reporting great sex with a girl who only traveled to Pattaya for the weekend and to be with me counts as a Pattaya field report, but there it is and I am happy to finally have a positive report to post about me having sex in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2206063]My only trip to Pattaya was for 2 nights in early November 2017. At that time the beach side of Beach Road had very few freelancers, perhaps 5 or 10 between Walking Street and Soi 6. One of the girls on the other side of Beach Road told me that the police chased them off the beach side. Based on more recent YouTube videos, it appears the FL scene on Beach Road is strong again.

I'm planning another trip to Pattaya, but I want to go when the FL scene on Beach Road is strong. Can anyone explain what happened in November 2017 and when I should avoid for my 2018 trip?[/QUOTE]They are at the clubs.

I think its really good inputs.

Even super seniors with thousands of field report try to address.

Thanks a ton.

Hope my first Thai trip will not be last.

I didn't mean to offend anyone. My comments are based on my experience going out with several Indian guys I know. They all hobby like myself and none of them have a difficult time finding damn good looking girls in pattaya. That's why I pointed out there is no need to do some of the things mentioned.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2207386]Especially since I can assure you I have NOT gotten well laid in Pattaya by local Pattaya P4P girls in ANY of the previous 4 trips I've made[/QUOTE]Damn man. You might have to team up with Milky and let him take you under his wing. LOL.

I stopped going out with my indian co workers, since I hear them making plans, how 8 people can fit in one hotel room.

How 8 of these friends share 1 girl and how they can buy frozen food and cooks in a hotel micro wave.

Is it possible to find Indian working girls in pattaya? Maybe freelancers?

[QUOTE=Trimix;2207555]Is it possible to find Indian working girls in pattaya? Maybe freelancers?[/QUOTE]No. But a Thai chick can dress up like an Indian chick and you won't know the difference. Me and my cousin met a couple of Nepalese hookers a few years back, but wasn't about to give them the 3000 they were asking. I thought it was hard enough to get Indian chicks to fuck in India. I wouldn't expect they would come over to Thailand and all of a sudden be loosey poosey.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2207509]Damn man. You might have to team up with Milky and let him take you under his wing. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. It might not hurt. But first I would need to see at least 3-4 local Pattaya girls working P4P or even working a regular job in a mall that I would pay more than 100 baht to have the kind of "sex" I have endured there in the past several trips. That is where Pattaya stumps me these days. In my observation and experience, Pattaya is where under acheivers in the Thai P4P industry go to find refuge.

I think I saw a couple of girls in town I might rate above a Bangkok "6" this past weekend who were not already on the arm of a young farang tourist and might well have been visiting the place with him from out of town as my girl was with me. A rare sight. But neither of those girls appeared alert and attentive to any external stimulus other than whatever was rolling around loose in their noggin.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207490]I didn't mean to offend anyone. My comments are based on my experience going out with several Indian guys I know. They all hobby like myself and none of them have a difficult time finding damn good looking girls in pattaya. That's why I pointed out there is no need to do some of the things mentioned.[/QUOTE]That would be a sighting that would really get my attention. I am not doubting your report about it. I'm just saying in all the times I have spent walking around Pattaya (and Bkk), along Walking Street at all hours, past the go-go bars and discos, going into many over the years, I cannot recall seeing an Indian man or two walking out with what I would say is a "damn good looking" Thai girl. I see tons of Indian men everywhere in Pattaya, of course, in groups, pairs, sometimes alone. But rarely do I see them actually walking off seemingly to their hotel room with any Thai girls, and never a "damn good looking" one. Not that I recall, that is.

Then again, I guess I have made my point that "damn good looking" Thai girls are rare in Pattaya anyway. But I would say the same thing about Bkk; that I don't recall ever seeing an Indian punter walking out of a Bkk go-go bar, a disco or along the usual FL strolls with a notably attractive Thai girl seemingly on their way to a hotel for ST / LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2207341]Since everybody touched on everything else, I will just say that the girls don't give a fuck about your room. You are not impressing them. If you want a nice room for yourself on vacation then that is a different story. I know chicks that fuck and suck dick in the bathroom at the disco. They don't even need a room. They are in it for the money, not your room. No need to try to impress hookers.

I don't think the problem with Indian brothers is necessarily because they are cheap. No way they are cheaper than me and I don't have half the problems they mention. But a lot of it is the mob mentality. You don't have 10 guys swarm around one woman. That is just wrong. Split up and get your own damn chick.

That is funny. I thought the reason to get a hooker was so you did not have to spend more. If you are spending so much to try to impress someone that you have to pay anyway then you got the game confused. That is like buying a shiny new car in order to pull up to McDonald's drive thru. Your hamburgers are not going to be made any different than any of the other customers' and you will still have to pay for the food, same as the customer that walked inside.[/QUOTE]Another spot on post from Mr E. Yep, I would agree that the mob mentality is the issue. Was in Patters a couple of weeks ago and it was not uncommon to see a groups of 5 to 10 Indian guys surrounding one gal. My friend who has been a Pattaya resident for the last 7 years and knocks back at least two gals a day, tells me the gals often complain that groups will often want to take one gal back to the hotel and then line up.

K.

FWIW, there are South Asian regular girls all over. But why go for them in Pattaya or Thailand? WGs are dirt cheap in their home country.

As for the regular South Asian girls, I know a lot are just as horny. You can pick them up as regular girls but you need a little game and separate them from their friends or community. These are professionals to flight crew. In Bangkok on a train, an Indian mother switched seats so her beautiful daughter could sit next to me and chat! LOL.

[QUOTE=Trimix;2207555]Is it possible to find Indian working girls in pattaya? Maybe freelancers?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Trimix;2207555]Is it possible to find Indian working girls in pattaya? Maybe freelancers?[/QUOTE]Indeed you can, right on Walking Street in a couple of GoGos. There are exclusive joints of Indian girls. Also, couple of other places. But wonder why Indian girls in Thailand when you can find them plenty at home?

It's sad and unfortunate some members see working girls as emotionless and uneducated, oblivious to everything except getting paid for whatever they can get, anywhere, anytime with whoever. All I can say is in some 20 years of living here this is not my experience.

Yes this is how they make a living but they are also all individuals in their own right with feelings and values and most know the difference between a blow job behind the shed and spending the night in a 5 star hotel with breakfast in bed.

Some are sadly more desperate than others and will fuck for the proverbial beer and a bowl of noodles but most rightly have enough self-esteem to refuse to be taken advantage of by ultra cheap charlies who imagine they are doing them a favor.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2207524]I stopped going out with my indian co workers, since I hear them making plans, how 8 people can fit in one hotel room.

How 8 of these friends share 1 girl and how they can buy frozen food and cooks in a hotel micro wave.[/QUOTE]I was with BB at Sabai Dee the other day and asked him to choose who he thought my type was and the prettiest one in the whole place of about 75 girls. I agreed with his choice and his knowledge in my taste. She was the hottest one there. Next day, I went back and took her upstairs and banged her straight for almost 2 hours. Her service was all GFE, a rarity with Sabai Dee. Although we exchanged LINE (she wants to visit HK), she told me she rather work in the soapies and get bang by multiple guys who she can make finish in 5-10 minutes, rather than go with me for 5000 baht and two hours outside to my room.

So I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Some of my favorite girls and all models at that, who have no problem getting fucked by with any race, including Indians, Whites, and Blacks included. They've also partaken in multiples and orgies with both men and women. Some have even admit to me about being gang banged many times before. They would rather endure 5 guys for 2 hours at 1000 baht a piece rather than spend long time all night with one customer. They value their time that much to take the punishment of being dicked down by many guys for a short time, if it means more bucks for them. Besides #7, you can find these girls at my 3 favorite places Palace, Baccara, and What's Up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2207569] In my observation and experience, Pattaya is where under acheivers in the Thai P4P industry go to find refuge.

I think I saw a couple of girls in town I might rate above a Bangkok "6" this past weekend who were not already on the arm of a young farang tourist[/QUOTE]Where were you hobbying in Pattaya that you only saw a Bangkok '6'? Where are the hottest girls in Bangkok because I seem to find the same experience when I go to Bangkok as you have in Pattaya?

Maybe it's familiarity? I live in Pattaya so know where and when to go and you live in Bangkok so have an advantage there? Maybe we have completely different taste in girls?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207728]Where were you hobbying in Pattaya that you only saw a Bangkok '6'? Where are the hottest girls in Bangkok because I seem to find the same experience when I go to Bangkok as you have in Pattaya?

Maybe it's familiarity? I live in Pattaya so know where and when to go and you live in Bangkok so have an advantage there? Maybe we have completely different taste in girls?[/QUOTE]

Well, I didn't say I only saw a Bangkok "6" exactly.

I walk down Soi 6, I walk along Beach Road, I go up and down Walking Street, look into go-go bars, scan the go-go bar doorgirls, look into the discos. Actually, I wouldn't limit my observations about notably fewer really attractive girls in Pattaya compared with Bangkok to just the bars and P4P venues (hobbying). I have been hard-pressed to find particularly good looking girls working in places like Central Festival, in the department stores, serving in the restaurants, etc. It makes total sense; why would real head-turners in any job working before the public stay to work in Pattaya rather than go to work in Bangkok, unless family ties kept them there? Which is a pretty rare occurrence in this country.

And by the same token, why wouldn't a girl who can't cut it and successfully compete in Bangkok go to Pattaya and give that location a try? After all, her Pattaya customers will be conveniently separated from her insurmountable competition by a grueling 3-4 hour trip by almost any present mode of transportation.

I would say it is easier to find many better looking girls in Bangkok at the counterparts in Bangkok to what I mentioned in Pattaya; Up and down Sukhumvit, Thermae, discos, Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, outside the massage shops, the blowjob bars, the shopping malls, restaurants, etc. And the difference in availability of better looking girls is only half the battle. Hell, I have a rather wide range of acceptability when it comes to pure looks. I don't need a stunner every time or even most of the time. Above a "6" would be nice, though. But there is also the issue of Pattaya girls woefully lacking in skills or simply not the least bit interested in applying any. I might be ok with resorting to a "6" if the skills and enthusiasm to apply them are there. But Pattaya has not been the place for me to find that either.

Experienced monger (USA, Mexico, South America) looking at making my first trip to Asia.

I'd be visiting a non-monger friend who lives just outside of Phuket Town. I realize that mongering in Phuket Town will be slim so I'm thinking that I'll spend a few days in Pattaya after I land to get over the jet lag.

I've RTTF and it seems like Pattaya might be a better "first time" destination than BKK simply because it is smaller. I realize that the quality of the girls in Pattaya will be less than that of BKK but I'm ready to deal with that.

Are my thoughts accurate? At least to those of you who can remember their "first time in Asia"?

Some gogo bars updates:

- Hidden agogo looks like it's set to open. I heard Friday or Saturday will be the first day. It's the old Maxim and Marilyn Monroe.

- Mandarin has been temporarily closed and is now under new ownership. It should reopen soon. If you are looking for your favorite Mandarin girl, you may want to check out Bypass. Bypass was packed last night as a result.

- Dolls on Soi 6 seems to have closed down. Looks like they are making a full move to Dolls LK, the former Kaos gogo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2207797]look into go-go bars, scan the go-go bar doorgirls[/QUOTE]Which gogo bars did you walk in to? There are good and very bad gogo bars in Pattaya. I think you are experienced enough to know that door girls are not a measure of whether a gogo bar is good or bad. Some of the better gogo bars in the eyes of many like Sensations and What's Up don't even have door girls. Last night I was walking around Walking Street with 2 other experienced ISG members who have been coming to Thailand longer than I have. They wanted to go to a different bar. I dragged them to Tantra, a gogo bar that gets little attention on ISG. There were lots of girls in there and both ISG guys were quite impressed. Timing and knowing which clubs are currently hot matters in gogo bars.

The Pattaya gogo bar scene is a bit slow right now. Many of my favorite girls have been off for at least a month now. However, next week it may be rocking again. No consistency in the quality and quantity of girls in gogo bars.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2207817]I've RTTF and it seems like Pattaya might be a better "first time" destination than BKK simply because it is smaller. I realize that the quality of the girls in Pattaya will be less than that of BKK but I'm ready to deal with that.

Are my thoughts accurate? At least to those of you who can remember their "first time in Asia"?[/QUOTE]

The correct answer most will give you is to try both. Some prefer Bangkok, others prefer Pattaya. Pattaya is more expensive if gogo bars are your thing. Barfines in Pattaya gogo bars are almost double. iBar is way cheaper than the Bangkok discos. Bangkok does not have anything close to a Soi 6. Beer bars are more prevalent in Pattaya. They're literally everywhere. Beach Road is about equivalent to the Nana FL's. I'll give the edge to Nana FL's lookswise but Beach Road is cheaper. Pattaya does not have a place like Thermae or Thaniya Road. Soapies cheaper in Pattaya. No designated oilies area in Pattaya. I don't go to or recommend many of the above. Just listing a comparison for you.

Not sure if Pattaya is physically smaller area wise. I haven't measured but I'm sure the distance from Walking Street to Soi 6 is further than Nana to Soi Cowboy.

As for looks that's subjective. You can be the judge of that. Some guys will be offended by this but imo you need more game in Pattaya than BKK to get the top gogo girls. I see many gogo girls in Pattaya who decline drinks from older Farang so forget about them ever getting to barfine that girl. One girl at Tantra last night looked disgusted when a bald headed Farang in his 50s wanted to buy her a drink. She quickly sucked down about 5 shooters from him and as soon as the drinks ran out she bolted to a young Asian guy, ordering a full size drink.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207728]... I seem to find the same experience when I go to Bangkok as you have in Pattaya?...[/QUOTE]I agree with you. My experience has been the same. I read ET's original post, and I got the impression he was mostly extrapolating from his limited observations on the Pattaya scene.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207946]

Which gogo bars did you walk in to? There are good and very bad gogo bars in Pattaya. I think you are experienced enough to know that door girls are not a measure of whether a gogo bar is good or bad. Some of the better gogo bars in the eyes of many like Sensations and What's Up don't even have door girls. Last night I was walking around Walking Street with 2 other experienced ISG members who have been coming to Thailand longer than I have. They wanted to go to a different bar. I dragged them to Tantra, a gogo bar that gets little attention on ISG. There were lots of girls in there and both ISG guys were quite impressed. Timing and knowing which clubs are currently hot matters in gogo bars.

The Pattaya gogo bar scene is a bit slow right now. Many of my favorite girls have been off for at least a month now. However, next week it may be rocking again. No consistency in the quality and quantity of girls in gogo bars.
[/QUOTE]No doubt the same can be said for the Bangkok go-go bar scene at times.

I have been in both Sensations and What's Up, Bacarra, Crazy House, of course Windmill (not known for lookers, I realize, but at least the girls seem to actually be up for some real GFE sex occasionally), a few others I don't remember the names of now. I didn't go into go-go bars this past weekend because they were closed until possibly midnight Saturday night. By that time on Saturday night I was in my hotel room (just off Walking Street, where we did stroll extensively at other times) having real GFE sex with my dating site girl. So these latest observations are based on my 4-5 previous trips to Pattaya over the past 5 years.

But it is almost impossible to walk around Pattaya and NOT see what level of looks dominates the place and how rare really tops good looking girls are. And the overwhelming dominant ethnic and age demographics of the punters the girls who land or take refuge in Pattaya must contend with. Not to mention that where lazy, under performing girls in Bangkok can count on most of their customers being tourists whose transiency allows them leeway to under perform without consequence, along with little incentive to try to turn one into a multi-repeat customer, Pattaya is that transient tourist's 2-3 night side trip that provides at least twice the leeway for under performers to "get away with it" and not even try to inspire a repeat. I would not be surprised if that leverage to under perform as SOP under the circumstances and in that environment is one of the reasons many girls avoid Bangkok and go to find work in Pattaya instead.

Now, if you have focused on a relatively unknown or little mentioned go-go bar or two where, if the planets are lined up just right and you follow the latest buzz on what is hot this moment, that is where the really impressively hot Pattaya girls are hiding, great. Maybe that is also where all those Indian guys can be seen taking damn good looking Thai girls for ST/LT if you know where to go at just the right time. But they must be taking them to rooms on the nearly secret go-go bar's premises, because I honestly cannot recall a sighting of such a thing out in public in any of the half dozen or so trips I've taken to Pattaya in the past few years. Or, to be fair, in Bangkok either for that matter.

Mind you, I used to much, much prefer Pattaya over Bangkok for the girls. That was 20-25 years ago when I would spend 4-5 weeks in Thailand every year for 5-6 years in a row, almost all of that time in Pattaya and only the last and sometimes my first night in Bangkok instead of Pattaya due to flight arrival and departure times. But the reverse has been the case since I moved to Thailand about 6 years ago.

btw, regarding go-go bar doorgirls, if the trend in Pattaya is to employ and feature girls far less attractive than what can be found inside the bar to entice customers into those bars, I must say that is not what my experience has been regarding doorgirls in Bangkok. And I'm not sure why a go-go bar would do such a thing. I mean, it seems to me the goal (or unavoidable outcome, perhaps) is to feature doorgirls out front who are locals so good-looking they don't even need to work P4P and won't barfine because they already have enough sponsors and boyfriends to take care of them, i.e. Coyotes, no?

I would say a single stroll down Soi Cowboy, Bangkok, on one night and Walking Street, Pattaya, on another night would be enough to tell anyone with normal vision what available pool of good-looking girls each location has to draw from in order to hire and feature such girls. And, imho, most of the doorgirls in Pattaya would have serious trouble getting barfined even once over the course of a month in some of the least popular go-go bars in Bangkok. Just sayin'.

Hey fellas,

Here a good video on traveling to Pattaya - [URL]https://youtu.be/VNXn02ngUqE[/URL]. They talk about Scams to avoid like the Ladyboy and the Jet Ski scam. Check the vid description to skip the topic that interest you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207946]Not sure if Pattaya is physically smaller area wise. I haven't measured but I'm sure the distance from Walking Street to Soi 6 is further than Nana to Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right. Walking on Beach Road from soi6 untill the WS entry are 2,1 km. Walking from Nana Plaza to soi Cowboy along the Sukhumvit Road are 1,2 km.

Thanks for bringing the new WS discos to my attention. Me and my wingman checked out Tantra. Talent was cool. Maybe 20% of talent were 8 or 9. Some girls had stupid tatoos. We took the 80 baht happy hour. Not sure if it will survive since most bars resorting to happy hour. A couple of girls had dreamy racks.

Lady drink 160 Coyote 200.

[QUOTE=Franga;2204995]Has anyone experienced a one drink minimum charge at any of the Soi 6 bars when taking a girl upstairs for ST boom boom?

[/QUOTE]No, but I nearly always buy a drink and LD. Soi 6 is such an awesome place I want to do what I reasonably can to keep the owners happy so they, one, will not sell out and, two, possibly apply some of the profit to fixing or at least maintaining the rooms. Most have decades-old towels with similarly aged bed sheets which have not been washed in who knows how long!

But, a time or two with a repeat girl, she has simply grabbed me and heading upstairs with no drink or added drink fee, so there are clubs that no not require you to buy a drink, and girls who aren't interested in getting every last LD from you she can. Regardless, getting upset over a couple of dollars, after spending thousands to get to LOS and stay there for a few days or weeks, seems unwarranted. I remember I used to get upset when, after buying a LD in an agogo, the girl would rush off to go on stage to dance. Well, that is how things are there, so getting upset is without logic. Just go with the flow. That does not mean you have to accept getting ripped off or getting clearly abused by the system, but I will not let a couple of dollars spoil a good time anymore.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2208519]-snip-
Regardless, getting upset over a couple of dollars, after spending thousands to get to LOS and stay there for a few days or weeks, seems unwarranted. I remember I used to get upset when, after buying a LD in an agogo, the girl would rush off to go on stage to dance. Well, that is how things are there, so getting upset is without logic. Just go with the flow. That does not mean you have to accept getting ripped off or getting clearly abused by the system, but I will not let a couple of dollars spoil a good time anymore.[/QUOTE]That is one way of looking at it. However, I don't know if many of us have our good times spoiled by these little scams. We just make note of it, report it here and elsewhere if relevant and take our money and the good times we hope to fund with it to another bar, venue or location, that's all. I assume nobody gets so upset about it that they go back to their hotel room and sulk for the rest of the evening. But there is no reason to go with the flow so much that we'd continue to spend money, waste our time and tacitly or pro-actively promote places with girls and staff who provide very little if anything in return for it. Too many alternatives and options all around to do that.

I'd be more upset buying a lady drink and having the girl refuse to have sex with me than having a girl who wanted to have sex get a lady drink when I wasn't asked.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2208059]Yes, you are right. Walking on Beach Road from soi6 untill the WS entry are 2,1 km. Walking from Nana Plaza to soi Cowboy along the Sukhumvit Road are 1,2 km.[/QUOTE]The walk from Nana to Soi Cowboy is about 15-20 minutes. The walk from WS (or anywhere in South Pattaya) to Soi 6 is crazy! I did it once and will never do it again. Even walking from SOI 7 and Soi 8 to Soi 6 is a lot longer than it seems. Who numbered those streets anyway? Also, comparing Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy to what Pattaya has to offer is nonsense; other than Crazy Horse Bar. Crazy Horse and Baccara Bar on WS have the best looking girls, IMHO!

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2209233]The walk from Nana to Soi Cowboy is about 15-20 minutes. The walk from WS (or anywhere in South Pattaya) to Soi 6 is crazy! I did it once and will never do it again. Even walking from SOI 7 and Soi 8 to Soi 6 is a lot longer than it seems. Who numbered those streets anyway? Also, comparing Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy to what Pattaya has to offer is nonsense; other than Crazy Horse Bar. Crazy Horse and Baccara Bar on WS have the best looking girls, IMHO![/QUOTE]Do you mean Crazy House? I agree there are some gems in there. But today's goldmine can be tomorrow's rubbish dump.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2209233]The walk from Nana to Soi Cowboy is about 15-20 minutes. The walk from WS (or anywhere in South Pattaya) to Soi 6 is crazy! I did it once and will never do it again. Even walking from SOI 7 and Soi 8 to Soi 6 is a lot longer than it seems. Who numbered those streets anyway? Also, comparing Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy to what Pattaya has to offer is nonsense; other than Crazy Horse Bar. Crazy Horse and Baccara Bar on WS have the best looking girls, IMHO![/QUOTE]Your comparing apples to oranges. Don't talk about 'walking' to your destination, talk about 'reaching' your destination. Pattaya hands down is four times quicker and four times cheaper. Try to get from Nana to Cowboy your looking at a 100 baht taxi ride minimum, a long walk or a somewhat shorter walk and going up stairs to the BTS to reach your destination. Going from Walking Street in Pattaya to Soi 6 is a ten baht baht bus ride. Sure you can hop a motorbike but Bangkok at times has a line waiting for them.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2207715]I was with BB at Sabai Dee the other day and asked him to choose who he thought my type was and the prettiest one in the whole place of about 75 girls. I agreed with his choice and his knowledge in my taste. She was the hottest one there. Next day, I went back and took her upstairs and banged her straight for almost 2 hours. Her service was all GFE, a rarity with Sabai Dee. Although we exchanged LINE (she wants to visit HK), she told me she rather work in the soapies and get bang by multiple guys who she can make finish in 5-10 minutes, rather than go with me for 5000 baht and two hours outside to my room.

So I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Some of my favorite girls and all models at that, who have no problem getting fucked by with any race, including Indians, Whites, and Blacks included. They've also partaken in multiples and orgies with both men and women. Some have even admit to me about being gang banged many times before. They would rather endure 5 guys for 2 hours at 1000 baht a piece rather than spend long time all night with one customer. They value their time that much to take the punishment of being dicked down by many guys for a short time, if it means more bucks for them. Besides #7, you can find these girls at my 3 favorite places Palace, Baccara, and What's Up.[/QUOTE]Amazing collection. Women as pretty as these are easy to fall for but its business for them after all. If one proves desirability, getting offered for marriage is not uncommon which is when time is not a botheration any more.

My mantra: Fill it shut it forget it then find new.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2209252]Your comparing apples to oranges. Don't talk about 'walking' to your destination, talk about 'reaching' your destination. Pattaya hands down is four times quicker and four times cheaper. Try to get from Nana to Cowboy your looking at a 100 baht taxi ride minimum, a long walk or a somewhat shorter walk and going up stairs to the BTS to reach your destination. Going from Walking Street in Pattaya to Soi 6 is a ten baht baht bus ride. Sure you can hop a motobike but Bangkok at times has a line waiting for them.[/QUOTE]Agree. I would never walk more then 500 metres in Pattaya unless exercising. The 10 baht bus and motor taxis are cheap as chips and will get you to most destinations paying no more then 150 baht. If I were to visit Bangkok again I would stay between Nana and Cowboy so I wouldn't have to rely on tuk tuks etc.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2209233]
...The walk from WS (or anywhere in South Pattaya) to Soi 6 is crazy!
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I do it nearly every day and it's nice in the evening walking on the Beach Road - check Newcomer ladies - collect PhoneNr and Photos - and then walk back - best after a nice dinner!

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2209233]Crazy Horse and Baccara Bar on WS have the best looking girls, IMHO![/QUOTE]You must have some varied taste in women. I can't think of 2 gogo bars with more different looking girls unless you're talking about Baccara 2nd floor.

I also think we must have different taste because I would rank Crazy House in the bottom 3 looks wise except they have one single girl there who seldomly works who would be in my Top 30 gogo girls.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2209333]I do it nearly every day and it's nice in the evening walking on the Beach Road - check Newcomer ladies - collect PhoneNr and Photos - and then walk back - best after a nice dinner![/QUOTE]I have a buddy that does it roundtrip to check on his friends and girls daily. Saves from gym membership sometimes he does it 2 x a night. Sometimes I join him twice a week. He has a hard time finding expats to join him. Walking slowly, stopping for drinks or 7_11 layovers canalk easily push walk over a hour each way.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2209346]You must have some varied taste in women. I can't think of 2 gogo bars with more different looking girls unless you're talking about Baccara 2nd floor.

I also think we must have different taste because I would rank Crazy House in the bottom 3 looks wise except they have one single girl there who seldomly works who would be in my Top 30 gogo girls.[/QUOTE]Crazy house is in my top 5 for Go Go bars. They have the best looking naked tub girls that will let you lick and play with their pussies when dancing. I also checked out Hidden Agogo. Definitely it's the new hot spot to be at. They have to line ups of models. About 50 models total and maybe 100 coyotes. Lots of girls and cheap drinks. I can see them taking over the top spot on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2209252]Your comparing apples to oranges. Don't talk about 'walking' to your destination, talk about 'reaching' your destination. Pattaya hands down is four times quicker and four times cheaper. Try to get from Nana to Cowboy your looking at a 100 baht taxi ride minimum, a long walk or a somewhat shorter walk and going up stairs to the BTS to reach your destination. Going from Walking Street in Pattaya to Soi 6 is a ten baht baht bus ride. Sure you can hop a motobike but Bangkok at times has a line waiting for them.[/QUOTE]If stairs are that tough on you there is an escalator on the Suk Soi 7 side.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2209567]Crazy house is in my top 5 for Go Go bars. They have the best looking naked tub girls that will let you lick and play with their pussies when dancing. I also checked out Hidden Agogo. Definitely it's the new hot spot to be at. They have to line ups of models. About 50 models total and maybe 100 coyotes. Lots of girls and cheap drinks. I can see them taking over the top spot on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]The girls at Crazy House are some of the dirtiest sluts you will find and not only witnessed pussy being licked but I have had my cock sucked by 3 different girls one night. I have been in there a total of 6 times in the past 6 months and I have seen plenty of naked girls but a tub?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2209737]The girls at Crazy House are some of the dirtiest sluts you will find and not only witnessed pussy being licked but I have had my cock sucked by 3 different girls one night. I have been in there a total of 6 times in the past 6 months and I have seen plenty of naked girls but a tub?[/QUOTE]There's 8 main stages and a jacuzzi. How could you have missed it? Were you hammered or very drunk when you visited all 6 times? The tub is where they have the sexiest girls go tinkle onto the VIP customers. Next time you go to Crazy House, tell them that you are a frequent flyer guy to the club. They will seat you closer to the shower shows are, strip you naked, hit you with the foam tubes, while giving you a warm shower streaming from their pussies. It's the real VIP treatment. Getting your dick sucked by those hot girls numbers is just the beginning. You deserve it all.

[URL]http://www.bangkok.com/pattaya/nightlife/pattaya-walking-street-go-go-bars.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2209567]I also checked out Hidden Agogo. Definitely it's the new hot spot to be at. They have to line ups of models. About 50 models total and maybe 100 coyotes. Lots of girls and cheap drinks. I can see them taking over the top spot on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I previously heard Hidden Go Go was slated to open on August 5. It's good to hear that they arranged to have a hot lineup for the opening, but it is way too early to forecast them taking over the top spot on Walking Street. In any case, I will check them out in about a month when I get to Pats. I hope the lineup remains as strong as you report until then. 555.

Tonight I took a girl on Soi 6 from Heroes Bar. ST Room onsite cost 300 baht, and 1000 baht to the girl. Annoyingly the bathroom was not attached to the room, hence shared.

Anyway, after the deed, I asked the young slender chick how many customers she had had today. It was 8. 30 pm at the time. I was expecting her to say. "You are the first today".

So I got a bit of a surprise when she said that I was number 5. Wow, that is some good baht for the girl to earn in just one day I thought. 5000 baht so far today.

She said that she usually has 3 to 7 customers per day, depending on "how lazy" she feels.

Also, when we showered together before the deed she had a peee. Then after the deed we showered together again and she had another peee. "Lots of drinks" she said.

So, some of the lookers on Soi 6 appear to be doing some pretty good business. But I get the feeling that as most chicks on the Soi are semi-skanks they are mostly not doing so well.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2209759]There's 8 main stages and a jacuzzi. How could you have missed it? Were you hammered or very drunk when you visited all 6 times? The tub is where they have the sexiest girls go tinkle onto the VIP customers. Next time you go to Crazy House, tell them that you are a frequent flyer guy to the club. They will seat you closer to the shower shows are, strip you naked, hit you with the foam tubes, while giving you a warm shower streaming from their pussies. It's the real VIP treatment. Getting your dick sucked by those hot girls numbers is just the beginning. You deserve it all.

[URL]http://www.bangkok.com/pattaya/nightlife/pattaya-walking-street-go-go-bars.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]CH in Pattaya not Bangkok! 2 stages no tub. I stupidly thought you were posting about the Walking Street CH not the one in Bangkok since this is the Pattaya thread but I must be too drunk LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2209928]CH in Pattaya not Bangkok! 2 stages no tub. I stupidly thought you were posting about the Walking Street CH not the one in Bangkok since this is the Pattaya thread but I must be too drunk LOL.[/QUOTE]I have never seen a tub or a shower show in Crazy House, Bangkok. Unless there is a secret VIP room hidden behind the ladies toilet where this goes on, someone is talking about a go-go bar with a different name, not Crazy House.

Maybe there will be such a section in Crazy House 2, Bangkok, which is supposed to open next door in a month or two.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2209928]CH in Pattaya not Bangkok! 2 stages no tub. I stupidly thought you were posting about the Walking Street CH not the one in Bangkok since this is the Pattaya thread but I must be too drunk LOL.[/QUOTE]His link goes to CH in Pattaya, not Bangkok. There are 2 stage areas but I believe each stage in the front area is a single person stage so why MP said there are 8 stages. As for the middle section I can't recall if it's a tub or stage. I avoid that section like the plague because the girls in that section make me want to barf. I'll check out CH again soon. I have found 3 hidden gems among the dogs there over 3 years.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2209567]I also checked out Hidden Agogo. Definitely it's the new hot spot to be at. They have to line ups of models. About 50 models total and maybe 100 coyotes. Lots of girls and cheap drinks. I can see them taking over the top spot on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]I've also been to Hidden. First week usually means a ton of girls for any gogo bar. There were 80 to 100 girls at Hidden when I went. There were less than 5 customers in this large bar so I'm guessing any girl worth anything will leave once her first contract is over, if not sooner. Out of those 100 girls I would sadly say only 1 girl was in the pretty category and 3 or 4 were ok. Not good numbers. For those of you who are satisfied with the quality at Windmill, Crazy House, etc. this may be paradise for you. No lady drinks for me. None of these girls seemed anywhere near fun enough to spend time with.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;2209873]I will check them out in about a month when I get to Pats. I hope the lineup remains as strong as you report until then. 555.[/QUOTE]

My money is the bar will once again die out in less than a month.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2209928]CH in Pattaya not Bangkok! 2 stages no tub. I stupidly thought you were posting about the Walking Street CH not the one in Bangkok since this is the Pattaya thread but I must be too drunk LOL.[/QUOTE]Many of the clubs on Walking Street have tubs. They will fill it up with water and soap and do shower show when they want to or if they have a lot of customers. If not, they will keep it covered with a wood lid and it the looks like any other stage when covered. Come at the right time and you will see the tub magically appear. That's why places like What's Up, CH, Airport, and Iron just to name a few have shower shows only "sometimes. " Sometimes you see the tubs and sometimes you can't. But you can always request that the club lift the lid and open the tub, so you can get a personal shower from the girls while getting beat by the foam tubes. Just allow them to drink plenty of water first and try not wear a white shirt. If they don't want to open the tub, you can goo to the restroom. The girl will be more than happy to release you and her for the small price of a drink.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2209960]I have never seen a tub or a shower show in Crazy House, Bangkok. Unless there is a secret VIP room hidden behind the ladies toilet where this goes on, someone is talking about a go-go bar with a different name, not Crazy House.

Maybe there will be such a section in Crazy House 2, Bangkok, which is supposed to open next door in a month or two.[/QUOTE]I am with one of partners in crimes regarding CC Pattaya and definitely no tub. Banana Boi will vouch due to his low opinion of the joint!

Notwithstanding the quality and quantity of girls on Soi 6, do you guys find it's harder to get DFK, in the pants HJ, or BJ from a Soi 6 girl without going to a room. I remember 2 years ago it was a given but now you really have to either be lucky in your choice of girls or waste a lot of energy being charming.

For all tourists coming to Pattaya, please be more demanding of the Soi 6 girls even before you room with them. Luckily the G clubs are unaffected still and DFK, HJ, BJ still more likely than not for the price of a lady drink.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2210017]I've also been to Hidden. First week usually means a ton of girls for any gogo bar. There were 80 to 100 girls at Hidden when I went. There were less than 5 customers in this large bar so I'm guessing any girl worth anything will leave once her first contract is over, if not sooner. Out of those 100 girls I would sadly say only 1 girl was in the pretty category and 3 or 4 were ok. Not good numbers. For those of you who are satisfied with the quality at Windmill, Crazy House, etc. this may be paradise for you. No lady drinks for me. None of these girls seemed anywhere near fun enough to spend time with.

My money is the bar will once again die out in less than a month.[/QUOTE]I visited Hidden Agogo last night and I'm in full agreement with Banana Boi regarding the quality of the girls. There were only 1 or 2 that I might have been interested in barfining.

The type of girls wasn't what I'm looking for, that is tall and slim girls with a beautiful faces and light skin.

I'm not a regular at these places and a few months away from making the rounds back, but as noted in Pattaya for CH, there isn't for sure 8 stages and that being the same for CH in Bangkok. In Bangkok the 3 times I've been there lower level I believe 1 main stages and I've been upstairs once to use the bathroom although short there isn't 8 stages upstairs either.

Hidden, was there tonight and like most openings maybe they pull out all the stops this time to bring and pay for the best looking agencies girls for opening night but tonight visit and I firmly believe and proven everyone taste is different in no way this place is ever going to be the best Go Go in Pattaya.

Space, as I remember use to be a Italian Restaurant, then M. Monroe, then Maxine the later two I don't think even a year. Same owner everything pretty much the same except small stage they put two couches in front of the small stage. The space is just too long the only difference they did some renovation in the front and change the sign personally I don't see them making it two months at best in my book. Models as they called them BF 2,000 and Coyote 1500 is a tough sell for any club with average looking girls and it doesn't matter how cheap the drinks might be. Kaos on LK, had already tried this concept it just doesn't work.

As for 100 girls not on this night!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2210085]Notwithstanding the quality and quantity of girls on Soi 6, do you guys find it's harder to get DFK, in the pants HJ, or BJ from a Soi 6 girl without going to a room. I remember 2 years ago it was a given but now you really have to either be lucky in your choice of girls or waste a lot of energy being charming.

For all tourists coming to Pattaya, please be more demanding of the Soi 6 girls even before you room with them. Luckily the G clubs are unaffected still and DFK, HJ, BJ still more likely than not for the price of a lady drink.[/QUOTE]Alot of that kind of action stopped when it made headlines of the guy performing oral on the girl and it made headlines in all the papers. And do you really want to have the Thai police walk into the bar while your getting a BJ or HJ right out in public? Pretty sure you'd be sent out of the country pretty fast after spending a few days in a Thai prison.

https://www.kaotic.com/video/783oGYQb_2016524082602_t

[QUOTE=Breadman;2210210]Alot of that kind of action stopped when it made headlines of the guy performing oral on the girl and it made headlines in all the papers. And do you really want to have the Thai police walk into the bar while your getting a BJ or HJ right out in public? Pretty sure you'd be sent out of the country pretty fast after spending a few days in a Thai prison.

https://www.kaotic.com/video/783oGYQb_2016524082602_t[/QUOTE]Well that guy certainly has not gone anywhere. I made a post some time last year about meeting him on Soi 6 and asking him about it.

That being said, it has been business as usual for me on Soi 6. Had 1 chick in Red Point insist on going to the room, but the places on the other side of the Soi are the ones where anything goes (in my experience).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2210251]Well that guy certainly has not gone anywhere. I made a post some time last year about meeting him on Soi 6 and asking him about it.

That being said, it has been business as usual for me on Soi 6. Had 1 chick in Red Point insist on going to the room, but the places on the other side of the Soi are the ones where anything goes (in my experience).[/QUOTE]You made a post about it last year and you expect me and others to search thru 3000 of your your posts? How about a rehash from what you remember? Really though the point of my comment is your retired in Thailand, do you really want to make yourself that famous? I'll let the girls try to sell their services with a HJ but won't risk a BJ out in public. My buddy had a girl at Insomnia give him a BJ right at his seat, didn't go over well with security.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2210524]You made a post about it last year and you expect me and others to search thru 3000 of your your posts? How about a rehash from what you remember? Really though the point of my comment is your retired in Thailand, do you really want to make yourself that famous? I'll let the girls try to sell their services with a HJ but won't risk a BJ out in public. My buddy had a girl at Insomnia give him a BJ right at his seat, didn't go over well with security.[/QUOTE]Come on man. Insomnia is not a brothel. That is like talking about getting a BJ in the booth at McDonald's in Royal Garden. The bars on Soi 6 are hoarhouses. Totally different type of venue.

The point about me mentioning that I met the guy is because you said "Pretty sure you'd be sent out of the country pretty fast after spending a few days in a Thai prison. " I was just showing that was clearly not the case since this guy is still walking around Pattaya.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2210072]I am with one of partners in crimes regarding CC Pattaya and definitely no tub. Banana Boi will vouch due to his low opinion of the joint![/QUOTE]It is probably not very wise to use terms like "definitely" when it comes to a lot of things. You have been to Crazy House 6 times in last 6 months, so you should be the expert. You say there isn't a tub. I say just because a person can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The third pic shows girls at Crazy House dancing on the stage. It's more than a stage, look at the rings above for the water to come down. If you were a VIP customer, they would lifted the lid off the big stage in the middle and opened up the tub. You can clearly see the shower spray for the tub in the first pic. That's why it's always better to keep an open mind to others, even those who have less post numbers than ourselves.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207946] Some guys will be offended by this but imo you need more game in Pattaya than BKK to get the top gogo girls. I see many gogo girls in Pattaya who decline drinks from older Farang so forget about them ever getting to barfine that girl. One girl at Tantra last night looked disgusted when a bald headed Farang in his 50s wanted to buy her a drink. She quickly sucked down about 5 shooters from him and as soon as the drinks ran out she bolted to a young Asian guy, ordering a full size drink.[/QUOTE]When you pointed her out to me the other night (the girl with cowboy hat), I told you that I know that girl, she's a good hustler, and I have already fucked the shit out her twice. She is a multi-hole and gave me full GFE to the max. She's a little mad because she thinks she's the top coyote in there, and I've swapped her ass out already. She is the only regular coyote with fake boobs at Tantra. Actually I can't remember seeing another girl with fake boobs in there at all, even most models don't have fake tits at Tantra. Anyways, the other night, I called her down for a drink just to chat and asked her about hustling customers she has no intention to go with. Her words exactly were "if they are ting tong (stupid) then can do. " I keep telling guys, pay attention to those drink size. If a girl orders a shot, then you might as well try grope her and try to kiss her for that one drink, because she's going to bounce soon anyways. So try to get something out of it. If it's a big full size drink, then she wants you to talk to her and perhaps barfine her. It's that easy. Of course there are exceptions, like girls who don't want to get fat drinking cola.

Anyways, that night I grabbed two other girls there for an awesome 3 some experience with plenty of double BBBJ, girl on girl kissing, DFK, finger fucking, titty sucking, pussy eating while I fucked from behind, and I was able to watch when the girls went at it alone. This wasn't the type of experience when one girl waits her turn, watches, and then swaps out with the next girl. Girls would be in 69 position and I would be fucking from behind and then stick my dick in the other girl's mouth below. These two girls were into each other and kept getting wetter and wetter as the session went on for 2 hours. There was so much moaning and screaming from the girls that my neighbors at this hotel got mad and banged on my wall. Jealous fucks. I ended up paying 2000 barfine total, 2000 in drinks, 4500 for each girl, 500 extra girl charge at my hotel, and 1000 for food afterwards. We spent about 4 hours together from the start at the bar. It's all about picking the right girls and allowing them to get to know each other to get this type experience from the cuter chicks. I paired up the short haired tattooed one on the right with the leggy girl holding my famous teddy bear. I assumed that the short haired girl was more of a tom type lesbian and the leggy one was bi-curious. I guessed very right as she fucked the hell out of the other girl with her fingers and mouth. There was so much pussy juice on my sheets, it crusted up like ironing starch the next day. I like playing Cupid!

[QUOTE=Lorus;2210129]I visited Hidden Agogo last night and I'm in full agreement with Banana Boi regarding the quality of the girls. There were only 1 or 2 that I might have been interested in barfining.

The type of girls wasn't what I'm looking for, that is tall and slim girls with a beautiful faces and light skin.[/QUOTE]We went again to Hidden at 8 pm and BB and I agreed talent was low. However that was 8 pm. When I went alone it was near 11 pm. More girls and more talent. I was able to pick up this one who I already knew and have fucked when she was at Bypass and the DClub. I know she is not all that great in the looks department, but she was an awesome performer and enjoys licking ass for some reason. The hotter girls always come very late at the clubs, unless it's Baccara (9 pm is norm for them).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2207946] Some guys will be offended by this but imo you need more game in Pattaya than BKK to get the top gogo girls. I see many gogo girls in Pattaya who decline drinks from older Farang so forget about them ever getting to barfine that girl. One girl at Tantra last night looked disgusted when a bald headed Farang in his 50s wanted to buy her a drink. She quickly sucked down about 5 shooters from him and as soon as the drinks ran out she bolted to a young Asian guy, ordering a full size drink.[/QUOTE]Utter bullshit, has nothing to do with 'your game' its the color of your skin. If your Asian that's 75% of the battle. Tell you what, next time I'm in town I'll create a Thai friendly profile for you using some old ass fat white guy's profile and I'll set one up for myself as a old Asian guy and we'll see who has "game". If your game is so good it won't matter what kind of photo's are in the profile. No matter what anyone says here the guy with the best game in all of Thailand is a buddy of mine from Bangkok, young guy totally in shape and not much taller than the girls so they aren't intimidated by him. He's never paid one penny for any of the girls and he's done all of these hot gogo dancers that you guys talking about. The proof is in his line account. Turn off your line account and then turn it back on, how long does it take to boot up? 30 seconds is the norm. His takes five minutes to go thru all 3000 plus contacts that he has in his phone. He runs into a girl, asks for her line id and finds out that he already has it. His notification has to be on mute because he literally gets 60 messages every 30 minutes. I think his game is better than pretty much everyone here on this board. So the next time your sitting with your girl, buying her drinks and another girl comes up and asks for her line ID, think twice and ask yourself 'is that really her phone?'. Its probably my buddy sending over another dancer to get your girls line id and later that night while your sleeping alone she's off fucking him for free. Luckily there are gems out there who will go for the non asians because they've gotten hooked on big dick.

I actually feel sorry for my buddy, you have a hard time remembering the girls name from last night he has that problem a few hours after meeting them. My bad though, I exaggerated a bit on his 3000 line ID contacts, he only has 2371 although he has yet to add on the 383 girls that keep adding him to their line accounts. Poor guy has to put their club name next to their name so he has any chance of remembering just who they are.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2210761]It is probably not very wise to use terms like "definitely" when it comes to a lot of things. You have been to Crazy House 6 times in last 6 months, so you should be the expert. You say there isn't a tub. I say just because a person can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The third pic shows girls at Crazy House dancing on the stage. It's more than a stage, look at the rings above for the water to come down. If you were a VIP customer, they would lifted the lid off the big stage in the middle and opened up the tub. You can clearly see the shower spray for the tub in the first pic. That's why it's always better to keep an open mind to others, even those who have less post numbers than ourselves.[/QUOTE]Unless they renovated the joint in the last 6 weeks those photos are not Crazy House Pattaya. I don't know why I feel I have to elaborate with you on this. I have 2 other board members I have been into the joint with who probably both have been in both Crazy Houses who can verify this.

What is your friend's draw to LOS? Work? Seems like he could bag chicks from home. Why bang working girls when he could get hot civilians? Would be neat if they fed and paid him.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2210761]If you were a VIP customer, they would lifted the lid off the big stage in the middle and opened up the tub. You can clearly see the shower spray for the tub in the first pic. That's why it's always better to keep an open mind to others, even those who have less post numbers than ourselves.[/QUOTE]I have only been in CH Pattaya twice, but aren't those pictures of CH BKK?

If not, well doesn't matter as I don't plan on setting foot in CH Patts ever again anyway haha.

[QUOTE=Rob Jones;2210963]Unless they renovated the joint in the last 6 weeks those photos are not Crazy House Pattaya. I don't know why I feel I have to elaborate with you on this. I have 2 other board members I have been into the joint with who probably both have been in both Crazy Houses who can verify this.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully I'm not speaking out of line again since I don't know the layout well but I'm pretty certain those photos are CH Pattaya and it's been that way since well before you started coming to Thailand.


[QUOTE=Lew Ashby;2210976]I have only been in CH Pattaya twice, but aren't those pictures of CH BKK?[/QUOTE]

Way too much light to be CH BKK!

[QUOTE=Breadman;2210918]I actually feel sorry for my buddy, you have a hard time remembering the girls name from last night he has that problem a few hours after meeting them. My bad though, I exaggerated a bit on his 3000 line ID contacts, he only has 2371 although he has yet to add on the 383 girls that keep adding him to their line accounts. Poor guy has to put their club name next to their name so he has any chance of remembering just who they are.[/QUOTE]

Good for your buddy but I prefer not to have many line accounts. I continually delete line accounts from girls. In fact, I've deleted some of the accounts on the photos you posted. One of the girls is actually a real life sister of one of my exes. When girls get too whiny I delete them. I don't have time for them. Would rather be with the select few I really enjoy hanging out with. I likely have fewer Line contacts than some guys get in a weekend here. I see no point. Unless they are the special select few girls I want to remain in contact with I can meet a new girl in minutes.

Your buddy lives here like I do. I can vouch that it's a totally different ball game when you live here versus only being in Thailand 2 or 3 months per year.

One thing not mentioned here often enough is Thai girls love when guys can speak Thai. Take some time to learn it if you plan on being a regular visitor to Thailand. I suspect part of Breadman's buddy's success is because he is well versed in Thai. Now that I wrote that, time for me to get to Thai school!

[QUOTE=Breadman;2210897]Utter bullshit, has nothing to do with 'your game' its the color of your skin. If your Asian that's 75% of the battle. [/QUOTE]

I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. What you wrote above confirms what I said. The gogo girl cringed at having to sit with the old Farang and the second her drinks dried up she bolted to a young Asian guy.

My comment about 'game' solely referred to the fact that I believe gogo girls in Pattaya are more selective on who they go with over Bangkok gogo girls, even if you're Asian.

[QUOTE=Cool;2210965]What is your friend's draw to LOS? Work? Seems like he could bag chicks from home. Why bang working girls when he could get hot civilians? Would be neat if they fed and paid him.[/QUOTE]So your friend buys a drink in the go go and no lady drinks and just pulls the top girls? So. He did spend some baht and time. However, if he gets a 80 baht happy hour that is still good value. 1 drink for himself and he pulls the top 5 go go chicks. I'm sure some girls cut him off quick since he does not give them a satang.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2210770]Her words exactly were "if they are ting tong (stupid) then can do. "[/QUOTE]Nice story, don't want to confront you but normally "ting tong" doesn't refer to "stupid". It's more a way to designate someone crazy minded (in a good way). If a girl tells you that, there is nothing to be offended of, it's more a funny talk.

BTW girl number 35 looks very cute on the first pic.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2211002]One thing not mentioned here often enough is Thai girls love when guys can speak Thai. Take some time to learn it if you plan on being a regular visitor to Thailand. I suspect part of Breadman's buddy's success is because he is well versed in Thai. Now that I wrote that, time for me to get to Thai school![/QUOTE]He's probably not that good yet as he doesn't write them in Thai. You should have looked at a good teacher when you decided to move there but I wouldn't recommend it for guys that are not staying at least two month a year in Thailand. It's not worth the effort unless one wants to visit non touristic areas. Learning Thai takes a lot of time and needs a lot of practice.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2210963]Unless they renovated the joint in the last 6 weeks those photos are not Crazy House Pattaya. I don't know why I feel I have to elaborate with you on this. I have 2 other board members I have been into the joint with who probably both have been in both Crazy Houses who can verify this.[/QUOTE]Last night, I was standing outside the Family Mart across of Crazy House drinking a Diet Coke. There was a old, dirty, homeless man with some missing teeth, who was sitting on the curb "talking to himself. " I asked him was he okay. He then started to talk to me about the "meaning of life", Buddha, and wanted to share all his wisdom. I stood there for about 30 seconds, sipping on my Diet Coke, listening to his jibber jabber, then I offered him the rest of the can of soda. He didn't want it and got a bit angry I was paying attention to him. So I just walked away figuring I knew more about the "meaning of life" by living my own life every day and then comparing to others before I fall asleep at night after my prayer. It's called reflection. I then walked straight into Crazy House to settle this debate. Immediately when I walked in, I can see 5 single small stages lined up in a row, each in a circular shape and one girl dancing on each stage. There were more of these types of stages towards the back. This is a far cry from the "only 2 stages and no tub" that you claimed in the previous post. In the middle towards the left, there is an elevated square tub with tiled trimming. Above it were circular rings that you see at other clubs where the girls would pull on and water would spout down. The tub was covered with a plywood lid to make it look like bigger stage surrounded by tables and bar stools. Nobody was dancing on it, so the tub was not in use and remained covered. Crazy house has a design using psychedelic colors to resemble a colorful asylum. So there, now you have first hand account of the elusive tub at Crazy House. Also, they have a Facebook page to which those pictures I posted were taking from, that clearly shows the tub and the water spray. Simply search "Crazy House Pattaya" on Facebook, look at the pictures, and look at the dates taken. Lastly, I was told just because it's called Crazy House, doesn't mean that their customers have to have mental issues to enter and buy a drink. All all are welcome.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2211002]
My comment about 'game' solely referred to the fact that I believe gogo girls in Pattaya are more selective on who they go with over Bangkok gogo girls, even if you're Asian.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. If they are going to take refuge in a town where the overwhelming majority of punters crowding the streets and going into the go-go bars are traditionally Thai culture "undesireables", extremely old or famously scrounging around for a much cheaper deal than they could ever afford in Bangkok, the upside for the 5-6 genuine lookers in that town is they ought to be able to make their customers jump through flaming hoops in wild display of enthusiastic "game" and pay whatever amount they demand if not more in order to be blessed with their presence alone in a hotel room for an hour or so. If they even have to go into a hotel room, that is.

(hehe).

This past week I was lucky enough to able be to barfine and bang a couple of girls that were out of the ordinary. First was a showgirl model named Tuk (holding Mr. Bear and wearing red skirt). She is best friends with one of my all time favorites, Kwan (wearing all white on the beach). Their body styles are different, with Kwan being naturally busty and shapely. Tuk on the more slimmer size with small perky tits, but her body shape and face is very nice. Also she was a good fuck and did pretty much every thing I wanted, including lots of BBBJ with a CIM finish. Her best angle was face down and ass up. She was a no stop no quit girl. Meaning anything that was done, I would have to initiate the change. For example she sucked me for about 25 minutes until I wanted her to get top. Then she kept riding until I said it was okay to switch. Tuk didn't complain about being tired on top even after 15 minutes of straight riding and grinding. She liked being controlled by the dick, all the way to a sweaty loud finish. Total paid was 9,000 for 2 hours short time. Showgirls aren't cheap and most don't even go with customers, so good luck to those who try.

The second girl was a Thai Bikini Mafia girl. These are girls from various Go Go bars that particulate in the annual bikini calendar. You can check them out on their Facebook "Thai Bikini Mafia. " The fun then starts when you like one you see, and then get to chase and hunt her ass down by searching different clubs for her. This is how I like to play with them. I've been able to track down and fuck 6 different Thai Bikini Mafia girls in the past 2 years. Some play more hard to get than others. The one I fucked this night was Yui (bikini girl on far left in red). I made her gush using two small magical bullets that vibrated in her ass and on her clit simultaneously, while we fucked. She was all GFE with plenty of passion on her end that could have resulted in some serious stress for me. She was being very frisky, even though it was our first date. I even complained to BB that I'm not sure why all these girls are trying there hardest to get me to have BBFS with them of late. But we just settled on a CIM finish instead. Total paid to Yui was 7000 for 2 hours of short time.

P.S. Of all the Thai Bikini Mafia girls I've fucked, Lala still had the most banging natural body. She's only 20 now. I tapped that ass when she was only 19. Those suckable huge tits are all natural. Never have I seen natural tits as big as hers on a Thai girl that slim and toned. Crazy good.

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All kidding aside now the truth and who the girl wants to go with depends on how hungry she is how much money she has. How much money determines how hard she has to work. Show even overlook her hatred for the Chinese to go with a Chinese man who has money. The smaller the dick the easier it is for the girl to make money that's true everywhere. Group of Asian men walk into an FKK Club in Germany and the girls flock to them it's because they know they won't have to work hard to earn their money. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Breadman;2211135]....Group of Asian men walk into an FKK Club in Germany and the girls flock to them it's because they know they won't have to work hard to earn their money. The rule of thumb for Asian men is 5, 5, 5... 5000 Baht 5 inches and 5 minutes. That is the inside joke of Thai girls when they type '555' in a chat. It's them having a laugh.[/QUOTE]Isn't this a theory white men all over the world like to believe in to save face after having been priced out of all sexual markets by Asians.

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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2211187]If you look at your pinky and then the next finger over you won't see much of a difference so personally, it isn't much to brag about if you are the finger over. You can kill a person with a slingshot if you know how to use it properly and hit the right location?[/QUOTE]You must have misread my post I was referring to the girl using her Pinky to show the size of the man's penis. And since women's hands and fingers are much smaller than ours we can't really compare her pinky to one of our fingers. You must live in a strange world where you think anything compared to a pinky is a good thing. The world that I live in everyone is lazy and wants the most amount of money possible. Working girls are no different they are going to go to the easiest job that they can find. You're just a job to these girls it's not the game you're putting on its the amount of war that they have to put in.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2211191]You must have misread my post I was referring to the girl using her Pinky to show the size of the man's penis. And since women's hands and fingers are much smaller than ours we can't really compare her pinky to one of our fingers. You must live in a strange world where you think anything compared to a pinky is a good thing. The world that I live in everyone is lazy and wants the most amount of money possible. Working girls are no different they are going to go to the easiest job that they can find. You're just a job to these girls it's not the game you're putting on its the amount of war that they have to put in.[/QUOTE]Oh, believe me, I didn't read your post wrong nor do I live in a strange world you and your remarks regarding Asians are as clear as can be! You can try to worm your way out by saying your world everyone is lazy etc etc. It's pretty clear what you are!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2211206]It's pretty clear what you are![/QUOTE]Some just come in real extra large sizes. All of 6 feet tall sometimes.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2211154]How is it priced based when all the girls hold up their little pinky to describe their last Asian customer?[/QUOTE]You're experienced enough to know that girl is pushing all your right buttons she thinks you want to hear ie. That you have a king Kong dick. I don't have an 11 inch dick and tons of Thai girls tell me my dick is huge. That's because they have been trained to do so. They say everything they believe their customer wants to hear.

If I truly believed everything a Thai girl says I'm the best looking guy in the world, I have a huge dick, I have the biggest heart, etc.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2211095]Last night, I was standing outside the Family Mart across of Crazy House drinking a Diet Coke. There was a old, dirty, homeless man with some missing teeth, who was sitting on the curb "talking to himself. " I asked him was he okay. He then started to talk to me about the "meaning of life", Buddha, and wanted to share all his wisdom. I stood there for about 30 seconds, sipping on my Diet Coke, listening to his jibber jabber, then I offered him the rest of the can of soda. He didn't want it and got a bit angry I was paying attention to him. So I just walked away figuring I knew more about the "meaning of life" by living my own life every day and then comparing to others before I fall asleep at night after my prayer. It's called reflection. I then walked straight into Crazy House to settle this debate. Immediately when I walked in, I can see 5 single small stages lined up in a row, each in a circular shape and one girl dancing on each stage. There were more of these types of stages towards the back. This is a far cry from the "only 2 stages and no tub" that you claimed in the previous post. In the middle towards the left, there is an elevated square tub with tiled trimming. Above it were circular rings that you see at other clubs where the girls would pull on and water would spout down. The tub was covered with a plywood lid to make it look like bigger stage surrounded by tables and bar stools. Nobody was dancing on it, so the tub was not in use and remained covered. Crazy house has a design using psychedelic colors to resemble a colorful asylum. So there, now you have first hand account of the elusive tub at Crazy House. Also, they have a Facebook page to which those pictures I posted were taking from, that clearly shows the tub and the water spray. Simply search "Crazy House Pattaya" on Facebook, look at the pictures, and look at the dates taken. Lastly, I was told just because it's called Crazy House, doesn't mean that their customers have to have mental issues to enter and buy a drink. All all are welcome.[/QUOTE] Thank you for your first-hand report. Did you see any extra-curricular activities going on there? I read elsewhere that Crazy House is the "nastiest" go go where pretty much anything goes, especially in the back area like public BJs and DATY, etc.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2210770]When you pointed her out to me the other night (the girl with cowboy hat), I told you that I know that girl, she's a good hustler, and I have already fucked the shit out her twice. She is a multi-hole and gave me full GFE to the max. She's a little mad because she thinks she's the top coyote in there, and I've swapped her ass out already. She is the only regular coyote with fake boobs at Tantra. Actually I can't remember seeing another girl with fake boobs in there at all, even most models don't have fake tits at Tantra. Anyways, the other night, I called her down for a drink just to chat and asked her about hustling customers she has no intention to go with. Her words exactly were "if they are ting tong (stupid) then can do. " I keep telling guys, pay attention to those drink size. If a girl orders a shot, then you might as well try grope her and try to kiss her for that one drink, because she's going to bounce soon anyways. So try to get something out of it. If it's a big full size drink, then she wants you to talk to her and perhaps barfine her. It's that easy. Of course there are exceptions, like girls who don't want to get fat drinking cola.

Anyways, that night I grabbed two other girls there for an awesome 3 some experience with plenty of double BBBJ, girl on girl kissing, DFK, finger fucking, titty sucking, pussy eating while I fucked from behind, and I was able to watch when the girls went at it alone. This wasn't the type of experience when one girl waits her turn, watches, and then swaps out with the next girl. Girls would be in 69 position and I would be fucking from behind and then stick my dick in the other girl's mouth below. These two girls were into each other and kept getting wetter and wetter as the session went on for 2 hours. There was so much moaning and screaming from the girls that my neighbors at this hotel got mad and banged on my wall. Jealous fucks. I ended up paying 2000 barfine total, 2000 in drinks, 4500 for each girl, 500 extra girl charge at my hotel, and 1000 for food afterwards. We spent about 4 hours together from the start at the bar. It's all about picking the right girls and allowing them to get to know each other to get this type experience from the cuter chicks. I paired up the short haired tattooed one on the right with the leggy girl holding my famous teddy bear. I assumed that the short haired girl was more of a tom type lesbian and the leggy one was bi-curious. I guessed very right as she fucked the hell out of the other girl with her fingers and mouth. There was so much pussy juice on my sheets, it crusted up like ironing starch the next day. I like playing Cupid![/QUOTE]Damn hot story bro. I'm going to hunt those girls down when I get to Pattaya in a few weeks. Looking forward to sharing my full reports. Thanks to everyone for all the great advice on this board.

Enough with this dick talk guys. How about posting some actual reviews instead?

First I'm blaming Rob for wasting about 10 minutes of my life as I had to go to ch tonight to clarify the stage and tub argument. The photos MP posted are indeed ch pattaya. The blue tiled tub in the photo is still there. There is a cover on it that can be removed. There are 5 stages in the front part of the bar, 3 more stages in the rear part of the bar. There is technically a 9th stage if you count the covered tub where all the skanky girls are.

Lew, the girls are still ugly so keep on avoiding ch.

Skyfall. Short visit tonight. Some girls have pretty faces but many are suffering from the effects of hustling 20 plus drinks per night. Beer guts are plenty here.

Bliss. Visited the other night. Terrible lineup.

Glass house. Tons of girls no customers. Nothing special.

Shark. Majority of the girls aren't good but I like some of them.

Super girl. Walked in the other night. Hardly any girls. Seemed odd since this bar usually has lots of girls.

Misty's. Not much here for my taste.

Tantra. Still really liking this bar. Lots of girls. Bar is one of the busiest on ws now.

Panda. Sinking fast.

Dolls lk. The majority of the Kaos girls are gone. Nothing great tonight.

Billabong. Wow this place was rocking tonight. Seemed like khaosan road with all the people.

Thirsty Camel. There is one pretty new girl here. Rest are old.

Bachelor. I keep trying hoping it goes back to being a place worth visiting again. Unfortunately not.

Office. No!

Touch. No!

Wildcats. Other than bee who I posted a photo of before there is no one here.

Sensations. Just so disappointing these days. Still tons of girls but not many new ones. Many girls have the same issue as skyfall girls suffering the effects of drinking too much.

Bypass. Still busy with mandarin closed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2210085]Notwithstanding the quality and quantity of girls on Soi 6, do you guys find it's harder to get DFK, in the pants HJ, or BJ from a Soi 6 girl without going to a room. I remember 2 years ago it was a given but now you really have to either be lucky in your choice of girls or waste a lot of energy being charming.

For all tourists coming to Pattaya, please be more demanding of the Soi 6 girls even before you room with them. Luckily the G clubs are unaffected still and DFK, HJ, BJ still more likely than not for the price of a lady drink.[/QUOTE]In my 3 years of going twice a year to Soi 6 I have never seen any type of BJ other than on me, upstairs, in a private room. Well, other than a BJ bar such as You Friend Me. I have had a very few girls, maybe one or two out of many dozens, who has "played" with my Johnson downstairs (again, other than a BJ bar), and only a few more have engaged in a DFK session. Part of that might be me. I am a reserved fella and I don't play with the women all that much either. I do admit that since I am almost the age of their grandfathers, I am a bit self conscious of how things look, though that is crazy as it is Pattaya, and who cares?! Sooo, on my next trip in November, I will take BB's advice and try to push things a bit more to see what I get. But that said, we need to tip the girls that provide these extras. It may be fun for us, but it can hardly be for them (unless possibly you are a young, handsome stud). By leaving a nice tip, you will make it better for the rest of us guys coming behind you!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2211287]You're experienced enough to know that girl is pushing all your right buttons she thinks you want to hear ie. That you have a king Kong dick. I don't have an 11 inch dick and tons of Thai girls tell me my dick is huge. That's because they have been trained to do so. They say everything they believe their customer wants to hear.

If I truly believed everything a Thai girl says I'm the best looking guy in the world, I have a huge dick, I have the biggest heart, etc.[/QUOTE]The general thinking and stereotype is a guy this big is lacking something upstairs the saying " A big house with all the lights on but no one is home ".

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2211366]The general thinking and stereotype is a guy this big is lacking something upstairs the saying " A big house with all the lights on but no one is home ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;2211286]6'6" loaded with a big black dick.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Poor guy did not even get the reference.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2211298]How about posting some actual reviews instead?

<snip> THE GOOD <snip>
Skyfall,
Glass House,
Tantra,
Billabong.

<snip> THE BAD & Worse <snip>
Bliss.
Shark.
Super girl.
Misty's.
Panda.
Dolls lk.
Thirsty Camel.
Bachelor.
Office.
Touch.
Wildcats.
Sensations. Just so disappointing these days. Still tons of girls but not many new ones. Many girls have the same issue as skyfall girls suffering the effects of drinking too much.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post BB. I give it an A for effort even though it is a somewhat discouraging report. HA HA! Skyfall, Glass House. Tantra, and Billabong are some of the new to me bars that I plan to hit along with some other old favorites like Sensations (have to go and look / see no matter what) What's Up, Sapphire, Infinity, Palace, Happy, yada yada. Anyway I am getting stoked. Looking forward to the big trip. Thank Buddha for Ambien and Vodka to get me through the long flight in extended leg room coach.

P.S. I could have told you and saved you the trouble of going to CH Pat, that the CH pics WERE NOT CH Cowboy. CH Cowboy has no wet area. I practically lived at CH Cowboy last year (and Twisters too). In fact, CH Cowboy have a couple of seats along the north wall reserved in my name. But despite that and the homecoming I expect to receive there, the 1st bars I am hitting after I arrive in the big Mango are Kings Castle 1 & 2. To that end I am going to spend my 1st week in LOS on that side of town. It should be fun.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2211372]the 1st bars I am hitting after I arrive in the big Mango are Kings Castle 1 & 2. To that end I am going to spend my 1st week in LOS on that side of town. It should be fun.[/QUOTE]Kings Castle was very good last week. I think it is worth a visit. I would also like to thank BB for reporting about it several weeks ago. I thought it had one of the best lineups of all the Go-Go's I visited in either Bangkok or Pattaya. A very pleasant surprise.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2211372]Thanks for your post BB. I give it an A for effort even though it is a somewhat discouraging report. HA HA! Skyfall, Glass House. Tantra, and Billabong are some of the new to me bars that I plan to hit along with some other old favorites like Sensations (have to go and look / see no matter what) What's Up, Sapphire, Infinity, Palace, Happy, yada yada. Anyway I am getting stoked. Looking forward to the big trip. Thank Buddha for Ambien and Vodka to get me through the long flight in extended leg room coach.

P.S. I could have told you and saved you the trouble of going to CH Pat, that the CH pics WERE NOT CH Cowboy. CH Cowboy has no wet area. I practically lived at CH Cowboy last year (and Twisters too). In fact, CH Cowboy have a couple of seats along the north wall reserved in my name. But despite that and the homecoming I expect to receive there, the 1st bars I am hitting after I arrive in the big Mango are Kings Castle 1 & 2. To that end I am going to spend my 1st week in LOS on that side of town. It should be fun.[/QUOTE]Thanks Natty. It is not a detailed report by any means I just quickly wrote a few lines to change the topic off the dick size topic which was sure to escalate.

Only visited CH Pattaya to clarify the stage and tub issue that has been ongoing.

For an infrequent visitor Sensations, Palace, Baccara, Happy will all be ok. You're going to be disappointed at Infinity and What's Up as both have gone way downhill. If you want to try some lesser known bars try Tantra, Bypass, Shark, and maybe even Lighthouse for the odd gem time to time. If you like them petite and young try Nui 2 aka Runway. Skip Glass House there are girls but nothing good, unless you just want to walk a few steps between Glass House, Ginza, and Nui 2.

Be warned KC1 is not nearly as good now as a year ago and every other Patpong gogo bar was very dead. Thaniya Road is very busy though but we all know the issues there.

Billabong and Thirsty Camel are not gogo bars. They are beer bars in LK Metro. Billabong quality is like ibar so don't expect much.

Caveat. I take no responsibility in a bar being bad when you go. Timing and luck play a big factor in whether a Pattaya gogo bar is rocking on a particular night.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2211154]How is it priced based when all the girls hold up their little pinky to describe their last Asian customer?[/QUOTE]A massage girl I saw held up her thumb to describe the size of an Indian's member.

I stayed a few days in Pattaya recently and enjoyed visiting some gogo bars. When I barfined a few of the gogo girls, I normally had pretty good experiences. For now however, I would like to report a scam case and warn my fellow mongers not to fall victim to this cheating as well.

On July 26,2018 (I. E. The day before Asalha Bucha. Buddhist celebration in Thailand), I visited the Shark Bar in Walking Street Soi 15 (same Soi as the previous Angel Witch). It seems that the Shark bar is now in the premises of the previous "Beach Club".

I ordered a draft beer, and shortly thereafter, two girls joined me. They were quite ok, and I enjoyed their party. So, I ordered two Lady Drinks, one for each of them. About half an hour later. It was around 23:15 h. I decided to leave and thought there is enough time to hit another bar, before they close. Due to the Buddhist Holiday, closing hour on July 26 was 12 AM / midnight.

I paid the three drinks (90 + 155 + 155 = 400 THB) and handed a 1'000 THB note to the waitress. Since I needed some smaller change, I did not give her any of the two 500 THB notes in my wallet. When the waitress came back with the change, I noticed that it was only 100 THB. I complained and reminded her that I gave 1'000 THB, therefore the change should be 600 THB. She insisted, however, that I gave her a 500 THB note only.

I was and still am absolutely 100% sure I gave her 1'000 THB. As a matter of fact, the Shark bar was the first place I visited that night, after leaving my hotel room. I had no expenses between leaving the room and entering the Shark bar. And, before leaving my room, I had counted all my money in the wallet and knew exactly how many notes of what denomination were in my wallet. So, for me it was easy to find out that, indeed, I gave her a 1'000 THB note, since one of them was missing in my wallet, but no 500 baht note was missing. Nevertheless, she stubbornly insisted that I gave her a 500 THB note. Even the two gogo girs (still sitting with me) confirmed that I gave 1'000 THB to the waitress. So, I called the manager (a lady). She was visibly pissed off and little motivated to help sorting this out. She told me to come back on July 28, after the Buddha holidays. By then, they would have counted the income from that evening and could figure out whether there was any 500 THB too much in their hands. Knowing the mess they have with the money in these bars, I already knew that coming back was no option at all, and I requested that the money be counted immediately. Finally, the manager instructed the staff to count the money right away. Still, I would have been extremely surprised, had they found "too much money" in their pockets.

I repeatedly told the manager, as well as the waitress that I had counted all the notes in my wallet and that there was absolutely no doubt at all that I had given a 1'000 THB note. I knew, I was wasting my time. But for me, it was now not really about the money anymore. I was just very disappointed to fall victim to such a simple and stupid scam. Actually, during my 20+ years of coming to Pattaya, I visited countless bars in Pattaya, but this was the first time to be cheated so bluntly.

Meanwhile, one full hour after my payment had elapsed. The bar was already closed, and the staff was still counting the money. Or at least, they pretended doing so. The manager now told me that also the two gogo girls sitting with me before, had confirmed that I handed only 500 THB to the waitress. Ok, the case became clearer: it was obviously an intentional scam, and the bar had instructed the girls to lie. There was no progress at all, and I had already threatened the manager that I would call the police if there is no progress. Now, it was time for calling the men in brown.

I left the bar and went to the police officers posted at the beginning of Walking Street. There are always some "Tourist Police" officers and some Thai Police officers. Finally, I could convince them to accompany me to the bar: one Tourist Policeman, two Thai Policeman, and one (female) Police Assistant. Back in the bar, the staff seemed to still count the money. The manager was obviously pretty frustrated that I came back with the police. However, she told them that they "had not found any excess cash of 500 THB". Hence, it was. As expected. Word against word. Meanwhile, the assistant took a few pictures with her smartphone. But even the policemen could not motivate the bar manager to agree to a reasonable solution. I guess that everybody already knew clearly that the bar team cheated. But the bar was probably afraid that by offering a solution, they would admit the scam. Hence, they insisted on their version.

Not very encouraging. But I learnt a few things. The police told me that these gogo bars are equipped with CCTV systems that supervise all the action. In case of a dispute (and possibly for other reasons as well), the CCTV recordings can be used as proof. Good to know! Therefore, the policemen recommended me to formally report the next day to the official police station in Beach Road. The police there would have the power to request the bar to open the CCTV and to review the recording. Then it would become visible what kind of banknote I handed to the waitress. Well, the recommendation was good, and I would have done all this, for the sake of punishing scammers. But the time for my departure was approaching, and due to the Buddhist Holidays as well as the King's birthday, I had no chance to see this CCTV recording before my departure. Hence, there was no chance either to see the bar team losing face and to get my money back. As frustrating it was, I had to give up.

The lessons for me (and perhaps for some fellow mongers as well) are as follows:

- If ever I can, I shall pay with the smallest possible banknote (recommendation by the police).

- Whenever giving a banknote to the waitress, I shall tell her the denomination, e. G. "I give you one thousand baht" and make sure she realizes what I am saying. Best would actually be asking her to repeat the amount.

- And, of course, always to check the change and to complain if it is not correct.

- If there is any scam, always report to the police. If there is a bar that regularly cheats, this will damage its reputation and increase the chances to nail them down.

Obviously, I will not visit the Shark bar anymore, whenever I come back to Pattaya.

If you, fellow mongers want to do a favor to me and to you as well, please avoid visiting the Shark bar in future! And, should you still go there, I strongly recommend to follow the above procedure. Such advice is also useful in general for any other bar, I guess.

I am afraid that this is all what I (or we) can do in this case. At least, I wanted you to be warned about the scam practices in the Shark bar in Pattaya (and possibly in other bars as well).

Wonderer. Who is now richer by one more experience.

P.S. The police told me that this was the first time they got aware of a scam in the Shark bar, though it was a pretty obvious case. They told me, on the other hand, that they hear a lot of cheating cases (with much bigger amounts!) from the Russian-owned bars, I. E. Those with "European Girls'. So, be warned there as well.

On July 28, the bars were still closed until midnight. So, it was a good time to go to one of the soapies. I chose Honey 2 in Second Road, near Soi 2.

When I arrived around 8:30 PM, the place was packed, and a lot of Indians were there. It looked like they had dumped a number of package tour buses here and the tour included a soapie visit.

In the fishbowl, there were a few nice ones. However, when I entered the place, there was a window just left of the entrance, with the VIP girls. One of them was on my radar, and she had a nice smile. Her number is V2, she has a pretty face, very good body and perfect be-cup boops.

When I asked one of the staff, he told me that 1. 5 hours would be 3'800 baht. I found it a bit steep. However, after searching the other girls, I ended up looking at V2. So, I asked another staff, and she told me 3'200 baht. I found this very interesting and finally decided for V2. I gave 100 baht to the second staff, paid 3'200 baht at the counter, and went with V2 to the room.

I don't want to spend too much time describing the procedure here, since this has been done many times. Just so much:

- Very nice service by a very pretty and humorous girl.

- Quite reasonable English skills.

- Open minded, talkative and good experience.

- She pushed a bit too much with the time, though. Probably, management told them to finish earlier than 1. 5 hours due to the masses of customers waiting. This was the only negative aspect.

During our session, V2 told me a bit about the prices, which I found worthwhile to post here. I assume that Honey 2 is not the only place where they have similar practices.

Prices for VIP girls at Honey 2.

- For Thai men = 3'200 baht.

- For Indian men = 3'800 baht.

- For Chinese men = 4'200 baht.

I don't comment on this, and I am not racist at all. But I find it very interesting. It means that we really have to be careful not to pay exaggerated prices. The good news for me was that I did not pay more than any Thai would pay. V2 confirmed this.

Wonderer. Wish you happy soapie!

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2211540]P.S. The police told me that this was the first time they got aware of a scam in the Shark bar, though it was a pretty obvious case.[/QUOTE]Damn man. And I thought I was hard. You went to get the police over 500 baht? You must have way more time than you have money to waste a couple of hours like that. Especially since it was not such an obvious case. Like they said it was your word against theirs.

A couple of months ago. I went to a beach restaurant in Pratumnak. The bill was like 1200 baht. The waitress brought me back 300 baht change. I said wait, I gave you 2000. She said I gave her 1500. I argued about it a bit before I left. On may way home I began to think that I really did give her 1500 and felt like a jack a $$ for arguing.

Like you said, the best way to prevent this is to say the amount that you are handing them, which I am used to doing. A lot of times when you pay at the register I notice the cashier will leave the money on top until after they give you change. I suppose this is to prevent incidents like the one that happened to you.

Wonderer,

One further thing you could do is to photograph all 1000 baht notes that you take out with you for the night. So you actually have a record of having that particular note in your possession with that serial number. If the gogo cashier is not in on the scam as well then you may be able to identify your note.

But the usual scam in Thailand is when you buy products in a market or a shop that costs less than 100 baht and you hand over a 1000 baht note. The vendor then claims that you gave them 100 baht. Then doubt is placed in your mind as to how much you actually gave them. Like Mr E's post where he couldn't remember what denomination notes he handed over. This happened to me once in a 7-11 when the cashier rang up 100 baht on the till, after I handed over a 1000 baht note. I saw the 100 baht rung up, and then immediately said no, 1000 baht, not 100 baht, so she had to cancel the scam. Of course this scam only works when you are buying products that cost less than 100 baht.

1000 baht is a lot of money in Thailand. It's 3 days wages for most Thais. Hence the incentive to cheat naive foreigners.

[QUOTE=Franga;2211641]Wonderer,

One further thing you could do is to photograph all 1000 baht notes that you take out with you for the night. So you actually have a record of having that particular note in your possession with that serial number. If the gogo cashier is not in on the scam as well then you may be able to identify your note.

But the usual scam in Thailand is when you buy products in a market or a shop that costs less than 100 baht and you hand over a 1000 baht note. The vendor then claims that you gave them 100 baht. Then doubt is placed in your mind as to how much you actually gave them. Like Mr E's post where he couldn't remember what denomination notes he handed over. This happened to me once in a 7-11 when the cashier rang up 100 baht on the till, after I handed over a 1000 baht note. I saw the 100 baht rung up, and then immediately said no, 1000 baht, not 100 baht, so she had to cancel the scam. Of course this scam only works when you are buying products that cost less than 100 baht.

1000 baht is a lot of money in Thailand. It's 3 days wages for most Thais. Hence the incentive to cheat naive foreigners.[/QUOTE]I try not to use 1000 Baht notes at all, unless it's for an over 500 Baht bill.

Anywhere.

[QUOTE=Franga;2211641]This happened to me once in a 7-11 when the cashier rang up 100 baht on the till, after I handed over a 1000 baht note. I saw the 100 baht rung up, and then immediately said no, 1000 baht, not 100 baht, so she had to cancel the scam. Of course this scam only works when you are buying products that cost less than 100 baht.[/QUOTE]Yes I've seen a lot of complain about that scam in the 7-11 in Thailand on the internet.

That's why I'm always very careful to what they do or say when I give them the 1000 baht bill as it is always these places that I use to make smaller bills.

That is exactly the reason why, at most 7-11 the cashier says the amount that you give her loudly (though they say it in Thai, not in English), they have probably been trained by their managers to do so to avoid that scam.

And what would be the price for Caucasians?

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2211546]On July 28, the bars were still closed until midnight. So, it was a good time to go to one of the soapies. I chose Honey 2 in Second Road, near Soi 2.

When I arrived around 8:30 PM, the place was packed, and a lot of Indians were there. It looked like they had dumped a number of package tour buses here and the tour included a soapie visit.

In the fishbowl, there were a few nice ones. However, when I entered the place, there was a window just left of the entrance, with the VIP girls. One of them was on my radar, and she had a nice smile. Her number is V2, she has a pretty face, very good body and perfect be-cup boops.

When I asked one of the staff, he told me that 1. 5 hours would be 3'800 baht. I found it a bit steep. However, after searching the other girls, I ended up looking at V2. So, I asked another staff, and she told me 3'200 baht. I found this very interesting and finally decided for V2. I gave 100 baht to the second staff, paid 3'200 baht at the counter, and went with V2 to the room.

I don't want to spend too much time describing the procedure here, since this has been done many times. Just so much:

- Very nice service by a very pretty and humorous girl.

- Quite reasonable English skills.

- Open minded, talkative and good experience.

- She pushed a bit too much with the time, though. Probably, management told them to finish earlier than 1. 5 hours due to the masses of customers waiting. This was the only negative aspect.

During our session, V2 told me a bit about the prices, which I found worthwhile to post here. I assume that Honey 2 is not the only place where they have similar practices.

Prices for VIP girls at Honey 2.

- For Thai men = 3'200 baht.

- For Indian men = 3'800 baht.

- For Chinese men = 4'200 baht.

I don't comment on this, and I am not racist at all. But I find it very interesting. It means that we really have to be careful not to pay exaggerated prices. The good news for me was that I did not pay more than any Thai would pay. V2 confirmed this.

Wonderer. Wish you happy soapie![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2211540]The lessons for me (and perhaps for some fellow mongers as well) are as follows:

- If ever I can, I shall pay with the smallest possible banknote (recommendation by the police).

- Whenever giving a banknote to the waitress, I shall tell her the denomination, e. G. "I give you one thousand baht" and make sure she realizes what I am saying. Best would actually be asking her to repeat the amount.

- And, of course, always to check the change and to complain if it is not correct.

- If there is any scam, always report to the police. If there is a bar that regularly cheats, this will damage its reputation and increase the chances to nail them down.[/QUOTE]Perhaps take a picture of the instance where you are handing over the notes to the waitress? That help?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2211650]I try not to use 1000 Baht notes at all, unless it's for an over 500 Baht bill.

Anywhere.[/QUOTE]Well on Soi 6 and beer gardens they deliberately give you 50 baht notes and 10 baht coins to bait you into tipping when they could have given you 600 or 700 baht change in bigger bills for the bar fine.

Thanks for all your additional suggestions. I think they are all quite valuable, and some might be more practicable while others less.

In the case of the Shark bar, I assume that it was an intentional scam. Some of the things that happened hint in that direction. So, even taking pictures of my 1'000 baht notes wouldn't have helped. They just wouldn't show that note to me.

Hence, I believe the best is really:

(1) To use the smallest possible notes.

(2) To agree with the waitress on the amount you gave to her.

Then, it should be much safer.

At Mr. Enternational: It was not about the money. I invested my time (altogether about 1. 5 hours) since I don't like to be victim of a scam and since I want to make sure to the best possible extent that it doesn't happen anymore, neither to me nor to fellow mongers.

Last, but not least, if you have time you may go to the police station and request that the CCTV is opened. Then it becomes clear.

Wonderer. Wish you all better luck!

I am Caucasian, and I got the price for Thai. So, I assume there is either no special price for Caucasians and they enjoy the same price as Thai, or the soapie girl V2 did not tell me the specific amount.

So, I will always try to go for the Thai price. Knowing about the different prices, we can always ask: "What is the price for Thai men? Then we can agree on that price. It might work better, though, when the place is not too crowded.

Wonderer. Looking forward to the next soapie for the Thai price.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2211678]And what would be the price for Caucasians?[/QUOTE]

My local beer bar in USA gives out five ones in change instead of a five dollar billI have mixed feelings about tips, so I decline in this instance. I save it for Chinese massage gals who do more than pull a pint. They massage my smaller brain, which remembers.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2211120]
P.S. Of all the Thai Bikini Mafia girls I've fucked, Lala still had the most banging natural body. She's only 20 now. I tapped that ass when she was only 19. Those suckable huge tits are all natural. Never have I seen natural tits as big as hers on a Thai girl that slim and toned. Crazy good.[/QUOTE]I saw Lala first time in 2016 at Sapphire. Admired her body and big natural tits. She was always wearing a top, never a bikini or lingerie. I tried to barfine her many times but she always refused. Said she does not do that. Probably just did not like my face. Eventually this year I managed to get her out of the bar to my hotel. She did not have as good tits as it looks like in the photos. Soft and slightly saggy, not firm enough for my taste to be ranked as top tits. Maybe she had a baby in between, I don't know. Her attitude was evil and it was one of the worst fucks I have ever had in Thailand. Such a waste of time and money.

The best natural boobs I have ever seen in Asia belonged to a girl who used to work at Iron club. She vanished from the bar but has made some fucking videos with a farang. Google search Tittiporn so you will see what caliber of melons I am talking about.

Here's a photo of Lala. FF and I met her in March, 2016. If she is 20 now hopefully she was 18 in March, 2016. I thought she was 20 or 21 back in 2016.

Sorry to hear about your issues at Shark Club, wonderer. Really sucks when things like that happen. I have personally been to Shark many times including 3 visits last week and never had an issue with them. I'll certainly be more wary moving forward. I find many gogo bar waitresses will say the denomination you gave them whether it be 1000 or 4000 baht. I'm sure they also learn from their experience of guys giving them 100 baht and later saying they gave the waitress 500 baht. It is good to verbally let the waitress know how much you hand over to them. Scams like this go on everywhere in Thailand and they are counting on the fact that a tourist will not waste an hour of their time sitting in the bar waiting for them to cash out or wasting half a day at the police station. Thanks for TOFTT.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2211912]
Last, but not least, if you have time you may go to the police station and request that the CCTV is opened. Then it becomes clear.[/QUOTE]I wonder if the CCTV covers the whole bar and everything that's happening in there. Also because the lighting is bad usually.
I think you're lucky if the footage clearly shows the denomination you handed over to the waitress.

Had this happen to me several times. Only 1 time was intentional and it was a taxi driver. Note swapping and fake notes and short changing are very common in the Latin and south American countries. They make corruption an art. I usually just stare down the guy and go your route. It brings enough attention and trouble that they usually do not want or need. In your case, I think the cashier swapped the note so the count in not off. If the owners are not on site and part of the scam, heads will roll eventually. Happen at several reputable places I know. The establishment was getting ripped off and not so much the customers.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2211912]In the case of the Shark bar, I assume that it was an intentional scam. Some of the things that happened hint in that direction. So, even taking pictures of my 1'000 baht notes wouldn't have helped. They just wouldn't show that note to me.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1bU12jNmXM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7fHVWS_OsM[/URL]

Sucker Punch: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRMoZ74ttDwbGJiFL_wZgvA[/URL].

Drunk Irish lands in the frying pan: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fySPtkaJ6VQ[/URL].

I landed on these videos at youtube. Though I have been in Pattaya many times without incident, I think I will call it a day. Cops busting hookers and customers, Thais sucker punching dudes and troublesome tourists, time to say goodbye. The corruption, the sun, the beer combine to make the costs outweigh the benefits.

I thought I would post it as, if you cannot enjoy a woman without fearing a police raid, what is the point?

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2212248]if you cannot enjoy a woman without fearing a police raid, what is the point?[/QUOTE]Busting people for sex in Pattaya of all places is disheartening, have to admit. However, the important thing to note is that sex on the premises of the establishment (e. G. Above the bar) is illegal. Taking a girl to your hotel room should be fine, and I don't think they'll start raiding random hotel rooms anytime soon.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2212248][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1bU12jNmXM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7fHVWS_OsM[/URL]

Sucker Punch: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRMoZ74ttDwbGJiFL_wZgvA[/URL].

Drunk Irish lands in the frying pan: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fySPtkaJ6VQ[/URL].

I landed on these videos at youtube. Though I have been in Pattaya many times without incident, I think I will call it a day. Cops busting hookers and customers, Thais sucker punching dudes and troublesome tourists, time to say goodbye. The corruption, the sun, the beer combine to make the costs outweigh the benefits.

I thought I would post it as, if you cannot enjoy a woman without fearing a police raid, what is the point?[/QUOTE]Funny, the Puritan mob on Thai Visa forum are in outrage right now because a military and police raiding party just inspected Walking and declared it prostitution free.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2212432]Funny, the Puritan mob on Thai Visa forum are in outrage right now because a military and police raiding party just inspected Walking and declared it prostitution free.[/QUOTE]I think you are reading the responses on Thai Visa wrong, the declaration after the inspection by the police that W. S. Is free of prostitution is nothing but sarcasm, not remarks from puritans. Those of us who come and enjoy W. S. Know what is going on and how it goes on so does the police and to make such a declaration grandstanding in front of T. V. It is free makes it great for everyone to continue doing what they are doing but makes them look stupid which is what the majority of the remarks posted.

If the police ever put their mines to end it themselves they would be the greatest one affected and would they themselves escape their own country?

Police controls in WS are as hilarious as the police raid in Cablanca with Humphrey Bogart running a casino as Rick. The scene is easily found on youtube, just google for Casablanca gambling.

Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?

Captain Renault: I'm shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.

(a croupier hands Renault a pile of money).

Croupier: Your winnings, sir.

Captain Renault: (sotto voce) Oh, thank you very much.

(aloud).

Captain Renault: Everybody out at once.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2212425]Busting people for sex in Pattaya of all places is disheartening, have to admit. However, the important thing to note is that sex on the premises of the establishment (e. G. Above the bar) is illegal. Taking a girl to your hotel room should be fine, and I don't think they'll start raiding random hotel rooms anytime soon.[/QUOTE]Thank goodness! Don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill but that's a bit reassuring. And will be careful to enjoy the beauties inside the confines of my room.

And paranoid mongers like me will be looking over the shoulders during my next visit. Certainly brings down the wow factor associated with Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2211546]

Prices for VIP girls at Honey 2.

- For Thai men = 3'200 baht.

- For Indian men = 3'800 baht.

- For Chinese men = 4'200 baht.

I don't comment on this, and I am not racist at all. But I find it very interesting. It means that we really have to be careful not to pay exaggerated prices. The good news for me was that I did not pay more than any Thai would pay. V2 confirmed this.

Wonderer. Wish you happy soapie![/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel Wonderer.

So awhile back I posted about this girl, I devirginized that worked at Iron. Turns out that she keeps bothering me a bit. She sort of wants me to help her get turned into some type of porn star so she can make the big bucks. When I first fucked her and her friend, it was very lame with her and no BJ. Now she wants her skills to be adequate before she gets barfined again by the next customer. The other day last week, she messaged me early in the morning on LINE. She wanted to come to my room and practice sucking cock. Crazy thing is that she wasn't going to make me pay anything. I had her come over and practiced sucking dick and licking balls for at least one and a half hour. She was still no good at it and I didn't cum, but it was a fun experience to watch her pretty lips and face try to work that mouth. At times her teeth would chip at my skin and she kept gagging and tearing when she attempted deep throat. Lucky for me I put a towel underneath because there was spit everywhere. She tells me she needs more help practicing her cock sucking skills, but unfortunately, I am out in Japan for the time being. Best of all it's all free from her.

[QUOTE=Cool;2210965]What is your friend's draw to LOS? Work? Seems like he could bag chicks from home. Why bang working girls when he could get hot civilians? Would be neat if they fed and paid him.[/QUOTE]Good thoughts Cool. I was wondering the same.

This reminds me of a friend who visited Thailand for over 10 years. He was in his early 20's when he started. Finnish guy, young, blond hair, blue eyes, fit and overall handsome. He fucked the best looking civilians only. Never bothered with hookers because he could get better girls easily elsewhere. This is what I call a good game.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;]
As for looks that's subjective. You can be the judge of that. Some guys will be offended by this but imo you need more game in Pattaya than BKK to get the top gogo girls. I see many gogo girls in Pattaya who decline drinks from older Farang so forget about them ever getting to barfine that girl. One girl at Tantra last night looked disgusted when a bald headed Farang in his 50s wanted to buy her a drink. She quickly sucked down about 5 shooters from him and as soon as the drinks ran out she bolted to a young Asian guy, ordering a full size drink.[/QUOTE]The best looking agogo girls did not even look at me when I was trying to get them for a drink.

It is just a cold fact that the hottest looking agogo working girls do not like old guys. Nothing new about that, just like in the normal life. An old fart is an old fart. Money can't change your face.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2213482]The best looking agogo girls did not even look at me when I was trying to get them for a drink.

It is just a cold fact that the hottest looking agogo working girls do not like old guys. Nothing new about that, just like in the normal life. An old fart is an old fart. Money can't change your face.[/QUOTE]I'm old fat and ugly (albeit neat and clean with a winning and o so charming personality) and I ain't got a lot in my pants other than my bankroll. That's all I have ever needed.

I had a big birthday and my originals plans fell through so as a friend suggested, Nanapong Dollhouse Pattaya on the 20th! That was enough to go fu $k it I am going to Thailand for by birthday. I had a long layover in HK so I got the motor started there and the post is in the HK forum. Since my time was short to get to patts to make Nanapong I prebooked a car through Keak's service using line. 1100 THB and driver had a sign and was waiting for me, total time from plane to expressway under 30 minutes, wonderfully efficient (granted I had an express pass for immigration which helped).

If you haven't ever made a nanpong contest and are a fan of thai girls you really are missing a small piece of life. Contest was great, 2 for 1 drinks for at least the 1st half. Good staff and girls who really seemed to want to have fun. I should have probably secured something from dollhouse but being my first night I wanted to get around some. So my wingman and I stopped by Palace as he was previously impressed with the talent here. The girls were good looking as he had noticed, but the stunners were definitely gone already as it was around midnight. It's a bit fuzzy as I had a decent amount to drink at this point and it was the first night after 26 hours of travel but mistake #1 was letting the girl choose me more than I chose her. Unfortunately, I don't have her name or number and the rest of this will be brief just to highlight my mistakes. Barfined her without negotiations for later, mistake #2, though honestly, I am not some newbie and she knew that and I just didn't expect the scams, but that's on me. My group headed over to diablo and she was a lot of fun, though she was playing me hard with drinks for the DJ and such and I started to get that tingling on the back of my neck. Needless to say it goes downhill from her and she comes out with the I am on my period no sex shit. I should have dragged her ass back to the bar, but I was honestly out of energy at that point. I had a great time at nanpong and dollhouse and just didn't want to ruin my night. I was tired enough at this point I started back to my hotel when a freelancer on walking street propositioned me for 2 k I countered at 1500 she accepted and figured I would still get a round in. She was an all right night cap but some baby damage and definitely not what I would normally pick. Plenty of mistakes there on my part my luck has just never been that good in pattaya, just need to spend more time there to get a better feeling for it.

Day 2 I grabbed breakfast with friends and we browsed the massage shops on soi honey and what I think soi lengkee. The morning crews there are pretty decent given the price and honestly better looking than the evening crews. Rested some and wingman and I hit soi 6 around 4:30. Seems may have been a bit early yet as some bars were near empty and girls still trickling in. We walked it up and down and had a couple beers at various places and I spotted a SYT at ruby I liked and that was that. BTW, the soi6 bars had great twiiter feeds with new pics all the time. The session was better than average and she warmed up a lot with DATY. Had a great time with her and rooms at ruby are some of the nicest I have seen for short time rooms. Name was Far. I rejoined by buddy for dinner, Retox on soi honey Sunday roast, amazing value for 200 THB. We made another run down Soi 6 and significantly more to choose from, I wasn't ready to go again by my wingman pulled from pussy bar and enjoyed it. We headed back to dollhouse but neither of the girls from nanapong made it into work that night. The upstairs XXX was interesting and something I want to spend more time at in the future. We made a stop by sapphire as the twitter is always great and I pulled from there my 1st time in pattaya but the selection was really unimpressive, guess maybe since it was a Sunday in low season. We did a bit of meandering on walking street but my jetlag was really kicking in and sleep was looking better than a girl. I should have powered through but I had 2 weeks ahead of me and couldn't do it. We did a walkthrough LK metro but my heart just wasn't in it. Had a good sleep and headed back to Bangkok the next day.

Lessons Learned.

Spend more time on soi6. I still like gogo bars but I just don't see the value there these days and the performance and the bullshit just doesn't work for me. That being said I don't mean I am not going to them, but I feel like the better reward for me is more soi6. Also I feel like there is a lot to be said for experience in a place. I don't tend to have the issues in BKK anymore, but I am more comfortable there and tend to be able to filter it out better. Next, after recent posts I definitely want to play more online in pattaya with thai friendly and the other apps. Seems to be more effective there than in bkk. Lastly despite many years I need to negotiate more up front, in particular French kissing and BBBJ, if the girl isn't willing to do those then honestly I need to pass it up regardless of how hot she may be cause the experience just isn't going to be there for me. On to the BKK forums.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2213482]The best looking agogo girls did not even look at me when I was trying to get them for a drink.

It is just a cold fact that the hottest looking agogo working girls do not like old guys. Nothing new about that, just like in the normal life. An old fart is an old fart. Money can't change your face.[/QUOTE]Scary part is that you are likely younger than well over 50 percent of the guys on ISG.

Imo age as a number significantly matters but the other factor is how you act. If I'm with a girl I like I act like a teenager. If I'm sitting in a gogo bar and none of my girls are there and there is no one new I care to get to know I act like a grumpy old fart.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2212425]Busting people for sex in Pattaya of all places is disheartening, have to admit. However, the important thing to note is that sex on the premises of the establishment (e. G. Above the bar) is illegal. Taking a girl to your hotel room should be fine, and I don't think they'll start raiding random hotel rooms anytime soon.[/QUOTE]Is there really a likelihood of a bar on Soi 6 being raided while one is upstairs with one of the bar staff? I hope not as Soi 6 and the short time rooms and girls are some of the highlights of my trip.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2213497]I'm old fat and ugly (albeit neat and clean with a winning and o so charming personality) and I ain't got a lot in my pants other than my bankroll. That's all I have ever needed.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously claiming that you can pull out every girl you want from the bars with your bankroll? I mean all of us can buy some pussy in Thailand but the topic was that the best looking agogo girls are mostly out of reach for old farangs nowadays.

By all means go to Palace agogo in WS and try to lure some of the young and best looking girls to your arms with your charming personality and your bankroll. And kindly post some pics after your success.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2213544]Scary part is that you are likely younger than well over 50 percent of the guys on ISG.

Imo age as a number significantly matters but the other factor is how you act. If I'm with a girl I like I act like a teenager. If I'm sitting in a gogo bar and none of my girls are there and there is no one new I care to get to know I act like a grumpy old fart.[/QUOTE]Sure it helps to have some sense of humour while chatting up the girls. But the girl has to like you in the first place. Otherwise it is game over.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2213467]So awhile back I posted about this girl, I devirginized that worked at Iron. Turns out that she keeps bothering me a bit. She sort of wants me to help her get turned into some type of porn star so she can make the big bucks. When I first fucked her and her friend, it was very lame with her and no BJ. Now she wants her skills to be adequate before she gets barfined again by the next customer. The other day last week, she messaged me early in the morning on LINE. She wanted to come to my room and practice sucking cock. Crazy thing is that she wasn't going to make me pay anything. I had her come over and practiced sucking dick and licking balls for at least one and a half hour. She was still no good at it and I didn't cum, but it was a fun experience to watch her pretty lips and face try to work that mouth. At times her teeth would chip at my skin and she kept gagging and tearing when she attempted deep throat. Lucky for me I put a towel underneath because there was spit everywhere. She tells me she needs more help practicing her cock sucking skills, but unfortunately, I am out in Japan for the time being. Best of all it's all free from her.[/QUOTE]You want only BJ, why you didn't go to one of those BJ Bars? There are special guides online for these bars. (Google) Try it.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2213482]It is just a cold fact that the hottest looking agogo working girls do not like old guys. Nothing new about that, just like in the normal life. An old fart is an old fart. Money can't change your face.[/QUOTE]Oh, there's plenty [I]new about that[/I], at least when it comes to Pattaya.

Just ten years ago, it wasn't at all like that. In fact, girls were often saying they prefer older guys since they would typically be more generous, demand less bang for their buck, and are easier to hook in a longer term game. Of course, they normally say what a customer wants to hear, but there's usually at least a small grain of truth to it. Sure, they might prefer a young guy who pays big bucks, but such guys were rare unicorns and competition from other pretty hookers was plentiful.

This scene where decent-looking prostitutes are so scarce that they can BOTH be excessively picky about customers AND regularly get the sizable amounts of money is definitely a new thing in Pattaya. They rarely even try to play the longer term game anymore.

In the 2000's, I was relatively young (and handsome), and I remember being just slightly disappointed that I'm not really pulling any better chicks from bars or Beach Road than a 60-year-old drunken Hans with a huge beer belly. My consolations was that when I get old and decrepit, I'll still be pulling those hot Thai hookers. Alas, that is not to be.

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2213587]You want only BJ, why you didn't go to one of those BJ Bars? There are special guides online for these bars. (Google) Try it.[/QUOTE]Did you read the posting etc. The reason I got was it was free and although looks are subjective I've never have seen anything close in a BJ or Gentlemen Club.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2213580]Are you seriously claiming that you can pull out every girl you want from the bars with your bankroll? I mean all of us can buy some pussy in Thailand but the topic was that the best looking agogo girls are mostly out of reach for old farangs nowadays.

By all means go to Palace agogo in WS and try to lure some of the young and best looking girls to your arms with your charming personality and your bankroll. And kindly post some pics after your success.[/QUOTE]So your opinion is that that there stunner over. Wherever. Isn't going to go with a guy when exposed to a fat wad of cash? You got hansum men paying 5 K. Hows about when I tell the mamasan, Hey Mamasan, that there stunner over there, number 69, I want her, Ill give her 10 K for 10 minutes of sex, and I'll tip you 1000 and buy a lady drink for all of the girls.

Everyone in the industry has a price.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2213599]Oh, there's plenty [I]new about that[/I], at least when it comes to Pattaya.

Just ten years ago, it wasn't at all like that. In fact, girls were often saying they prefer older guys since they would typically be more generous, demand less bang for their buck, and are easier to hook in a longer term game. Of course, they normally say what a customer wants to hear, but there's usually at least a small grain of truth to it. Sure, they might prefer a young guy who pays big bucks, but such guys were rare unicorns and competition from other pretty hookers was plentiful.

This scene where decent-looking prostitutes are so scarce that they can BOTH be excessively picky about customers AND regularly get the sizable amounts of money is definitely a new thing in Pattaya. They rarely even try to play the longer term game anymore.

In the 2000's, I was relatively young (and handsome), and I remember being just slightly disappointed that I'm not really pulling any better chicks from bars or Beach Road than a 60-year-old drunken Hans with a huge beer belly. My consolations was that when I get old and decrepit, I'll still be pulling those hot Thai hookers. Alas, that is not to be.[/QUOTE]Absolutely 100% accurate.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2213629]Did you read the posting etc. The reason I got was it was free and although looks are subjective I've never have seen anything close in a BJ or Gentlemen Club.[/QUOTE]Yes I did, the last sentence sounds disappointing for me. I read it to fast and understood wrong. Now I read it again.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2213653]So your opinion is that that there stunner over. Wherever. Isn't going to go with a guy when exposed to a fat wad of cash? You got hansum men paying 5 K. Hows about when I tell the mamasan, Hey Mamasan, that there stunner over there, number 69, I want her, Ill give her 10 K for 10 minutes of sex, and I'll tip you 1000 and buy a lady drink for all of the girls. [/QUOTE]That might work. Worth trying next time when I visit Thailand. Just to check if there is a breaking point to these hottest girls. But I will leave the ladydrink part away since in the end I am not going to rent a girl for that kind of money. Just checking what is the price they are willing to go with me.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2213599]Oh, there's plenty [I]new about that[/I], at least when it comes to Pattaya.

Just ten years ago, it wasn't at all like that. In fact, girls were often saying they prefer older guys since they would typically be more generous, demand less bang for their buck, and are easier to hook in a longer term game. Of course, they normally say what a customer wants to hear, but there's usually at least a small grain of truth to it. Sure, they might prefer a young guy who pays big bucks, but such guys were rare unicorns and competition from other pretty hookers was plentiful.

This scene where decent-looking prostitutes are so scarce that they can BOTH be excessively picky about customers AND regularly get the sizable amounts of money is definitely a new thing in Pattaya. They rarely even try to play the longer term game anymore.

In the 2000's, I was relatively young (and handsome), and I remember being just slightly disappointed that I'm not really pulling any better chicks from bars or Beach Road than a 60-year-old drunken Hans with a huge beer belly. My consolations was that when I get old and decrepit, I'll still be pulling those hot Thai hookers. Alas, that is not to be.[/QUOTE]Good reply, thanks. I chose my words a bit hastily, my abiding shame.

I have not as long experience in Thailand as you do. Have only been travelling there for 10 years now. But I can see that there has been a change in the hooker scene during that period of time.

One new thing for me nowadays was also that some of the hot young agogo girls did not want to come to my hotel but instead go to "upstairs" room for a quick fuck. This is a no-go zone for me.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2212062]I saw Lala first time in 2016 at Sapphire. Admired her body and big natural tits. She was always wearing a top, never a bikini or lingerie. I tried to barfine her many times but she always refused. Said she does not do that. Probably just did not like my face. Eventually this year I managed to get her out of the bar to my hotel. She did not have as good tits as it looks like in the photos. Soft and slightly saggy, not firm enough for my taste to be ranked as top tits. Maybe she had a baby in between, I don't know. Her attitude was evil and it was one of the worst fucks I have ever had in Thailand. Such a waste of time and money.

The best natural boobs I have ever seen in Asia belonged to a girl who used to work at Iron club. She vanished from the bar but has made some fucking videos with a farang. Google search Tittiporn so you will see what caliber of melons I am talking about.[/QUOTE]You should have kept working at it because you were very lucky. Most guys don't even get to smell Lala's funky breath even after she has eaten spicy sum tom. Lala doesn't fuck many customers and you being able to stick your dick inside of her after all your efforts meant that she wanted to play a different game with you. Sometimes you have to swallow your ego and pretend to be stupid to play back with these Go Go bar girls. My first experience with Lala was went like this. I had previously tried and called her for a drink when on stage, but Lala only smiled and told the waitress to tell me she was already sitting with another customer. On my next night, she saw me sitting alone and came and sat next to me to talk. There was not much of a chase with her, because she had agreed to let me fuck her just after two drinks. I paid the 1500 barfine and she went to change. Keep in mind this was our first real encounter at Sapphire. I already had a good aura and reputation at Sapphire, so I'm sure that's why she was eager. Back in my hotel room on Walking Street, her performance was lame. She did not make even a slight sound when getting pounded and I had to beg her ass for a lousy 3 minute CBJ. She just laid there after that. She looked ta me and made me felt as if I was guilty of doing something wrong. It was like me fucking a dead corpse. I got so annoyed that when it came time for me to want to cum, I told her just to hand job me until I spewed on her big ole tits. Of course when it came close for me to unload, I aimed my pistol at her face and sprayed all my jizz on the side of her head and hair (she tried to dodge it). She looked a bit angry and ran to the shower while uttering some nasty Thai words. I laid there for a few minutes contemplating about my life, the stars, and the universe. Obviously, this girl was a hustler, I thought to myself. I can choose to close the chapter on her or I could play back. What was it going to be? Me being Monkeypaw and all, I decided to play back and play harder. When she came out, I surprisingly leaned over and gave her a quick kiss on the lips. She was shocked at my happiness, but did not kiss back. I then told her this was the best experience that I have had from the hottest Go Go bar girl in Pattaya. She looked dumbfounded. I took a quick shower and after I got dressed, I kept telling her repeatedly, how great she was and how sexy her body was. I handed her 3000 plus an extra 1000 tip and asked her if she wanted to go back to Sapphire with me for drinks. She smilingly agreed. We held hands with our fingers interlocking on the 2 minute walk all the way back to Sapphire. We then sat for the next hour sipping orange juice and sodas like it was our first date. I asked the waitress to bring me a hair brush, so I can brush Lala's long hair inside Sapphire. I wanted to get all the knots out that may have resulted in my cum drying on her hair. While I was brushing her hair, the other girls at Sapphire looked on. We sat in the top bench next to the stairways for the girl's locker room. It's a bit dark up there but still visible to the dancers. I told Lala how awful it must be that she has to work this job, getting groped by men, and then having to fuck them to support her family. She told me she had sisters that worked with her as well at Sapphire because they had a big family to take care of back in Isan. So long story short, I grabbed her again a few days later. Some of the girls had told me that Lala was a top end girl at Sapphire, so this time I grabbed her long time and paraded her around at other clubs to make her feel special and to show them that she was "Monkeypaw's girl. " Her performance that night was a bit better the second time around, but nothing to write home about. I still tipped an extra 500, paid her the full 5000, but let her go home early at 3 am. I think most know by now, I like to sleep alone with my teddy bear. I knew I wasn't ever I wasn't a quitter and kept at it. I even brought her some fish ball noodles and crab som tum for her to eat before she started her shift the next night. By her third barfine, I was sticking my middle finger in the her ass and introducing her to the "shocker. " That's a term I learned from my American buddies for "two fingers in the pink and one in the stink." I finally found out that this girl enjoys cumming when getting double penetrated. This is how she came with me. Her dick sucking skills were still horrible even without a condom, but at least now she moans when she fucks and allows DFK, and nipple biting. She even licked her own ass and pussy juices off my fingers when I shoved them in her mouth while missionary. Honestly, I think she forgot where they have been. Her skills amazing improved, but eventually after one week, I got bored and tired of playing with her. I swapped her ass for (pictured in order) Beer, May (my all time favorite at Sapphire), Khing and even Lala's sister, several months later. I without knowing, accidentally barfined and fucked one of her familial sisters that she works with, Ae. Of course, Ae fucked me almost exactly like her sister on the first time. Ae played starfish during the sex but did provide a 45 second BBBJ in which she cheated by wetting her fingers and pretending it was her tongue. Honestly, from the way she fucks, I think Ae and Lala's family must have gotten raised by dead possums. After our fuck session, Ae then told me that she will get better if I took her more often. I told her, she is like 24, so she has no excuse. Her sister is still a teenager, so Lala can always say that as a part of her game. I then said fuck that, and dumped her ass too, on the spot, no tip. Now, I got all 3 sisters at Sapphire mad at me. Even the short haired older one, whom I never fucked or even bought a drink for is mad. Still, I don't care. The legend of Monkeypaw will still continue. So whatever you do, don't quit on the hotties at the Go Go bars, that's why I mentioned the other 3 girls I immediately barfined at Sapphire. After Lala. Always keep shooting for the stars, just learn to play better.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2213599]Oh, there's plenty [I]new about that[/I], at least when it comes to Pattaya.

Just ten years ago, it wasn't at all like that. In fact, girls were often saying they prefer older guys since they would typically be more generous, demand less bang for their buck, and are easier to hook in a longer term game. Of course, they normally say what a customer wants to hear, but there's usually at least a small grain of truth to it. [B]Sure, they might prefer a young guy who pays big bucks, but such guys were rare unicorns and competition from other pretty hookers was plentiful.[/B]

This scene where decent-looking prostitutes are so scarce that they can BOTH be excessively picky about customers AND regularly get the sizable amounts of money is definitely a new thing in Pattaya. They rarely even try to play the longer term game anymore.

In the 2000's, I was relatively young (and handsome), and I remember being just slightly disappointed that I'm not really pulling any better chicks from bars or Beach Road than a 60-year-old drunken Hans with a huge beer belly. My consolations was that when I get old and decrepit, I'll still be pulling those hot Thai hookers. Alas, that is not to be.[/QUOTE]Maybe the solution is for us old dudes to take some of those young guys who come to spend big bucks here under our wing when we encounter them and teach them how to apply a little "game" to get well laid and blown by good looking girls their own age and younger back in their home country without having to fly many hours one way and racking up big bucks bar tabs and big bucks girl fees in third world countries to accomplish it.

Seems to me the current lack of knowledge about that has as much or more impact on the situation as anything.

According to my own experience, the scene in Pattaya defintely has changed. In the past, it was much easier to get the stunners. However, still it is not impossible, even for an older fellow like me.

I experienced several times when some of the prettiest girls came over to sit with me. Normally, I don't wave them down to come over or ask the mamasan. I watch them on the stage. If they look, I smile. If they smile back, there is a good chance they are going to sit with me. I have tried to barfine some of them, and in most cases it worked. In July, I had an experience with one very pretty girl at Pheromone gogo bar. After dancing her round, she came to me and was sitting with me for quite a while, drinking slowly from her normal size LD. I guess, she was the prettiest in the whole bar. At the end, I wanted to barfine her, but she refused. When I left, she was running after me and came to the door just as I was about to step out. She kissed me and said that she would come with me next time.

She didn't tell me, but I believe she must have had her period or something alike. In any case, I found it quite remarkable, since I am an old and bald guy. But I treat all the girls nicely, have some good sense of humor and smile to them. Also, I normally pay some LDs for them, and if they allow me to grab them all over, I give them some tip.

So, I think that despite age and being bald, there are some chances to get some really decent girls.

Wonderer. Never give up!

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2214093]At the end, I wanted to barfine her, but she refused. When I left, she was running after me and came to the door just as I was about to step out. She kissed me and said that she would come with me next time.

She didn't tell me, but I believe she must have had her period or something alike. In any case, I found it quite remarkable, since I am an old and bald guy. [/QUOTE]Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but although she was willing to sit with you as you continued buying her lady drinks she has no intention to allow you to barfine her next time you see her. It's what girls say so you keep coming to buy her more lady drinks. Yes its possible she eventually changes her mind but it's unlikely and, even if she does change her mind, it will likely be a poor session like that experienced by FF.

Nyezhov, yes almost every girl has a price but I bet your session will be crap with a girl who clearly doesn't want to spend time with you and is only going with you because you offered her an astronomical amount of money. Imo 10,000 baht is nothing in the big picture for a top end gogo girl. Their Japanese sponsors will hand that over in a blink of an eye and all they have to do is go hang out at Hollywood with them and go eat. At most, maybe some quick Japanese fetish sex.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2213580]Are you seriously claiming that you can pull out every girl you want from the bars with your bankroll? I mean all of us can buy some pussy in Thailand but the topic was that the best looking agogo girls are mostly out of reach for old farangs nowadays.

By all means go to Palace agogo in WS and try to lure some of the young and best looking girls to your arms with your charming personality and your bankroll. And kindly post some pics after your success.[/QUOTE]No doubt when she is scanning the room age plays a role but I suggest more important is appearance (not unduly overweight), grooming, dress and general disposition I. E. Helps greatly if projecting congeniality with a Hello, there smile. That said if next to you is a 20 something K-pop lookalike you have just dissolved into the background.

The best looking girls who know how to work the room know all they have to do is show up to snag the best looking guys two three or more times a night. Over the years and some may disagree with this but in general I feel Asians have overtaken farangs as favorites for these girls. There is also a certain status especially among the younger girls as to who can get the best looking guys.

Oddly when it comes to boom boom in my experience when chatting to the girls they prefer the older farang who knows what he is doing and wants to please them along with getting his rocks off. But as the more experienced among us know sex plays a minor role in the selection process of working girls it's almost always about the money. Going back to the older farang beside the K-pop lookalike if grandad starts waving 10 large in her direction there's every chance she will be leaving with him next.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2213477]Good thoughts Cool. I was wondering the same.

This reminds me of a friend who visited Thailand for over 10 years. He was in his early 20's when he started. Finnish guy, young, blond hair, blue eyes, fit and overall handsome. He fucked the best looking civilians only. Never bothered with hookers because he could get better girls easily elsewhere. This is what I call a good game.[/QUOTE]Actually think about this. The average civilian girl will give up the ass with just dinner, drinks, and some dancing. Those girls aren't that in the tuned with life, still stuck in the fantasy world called wanting to be in a "relationship land. " Most of us can agree, stupid girls give up the pussy for free, especially since I've seen some of the quality that some guys have paid hard working money for. Seems to me, even ugly, old, fat, or junkies can make money off selling their asses and dumbass guys will still pay for it. And unless your friend spent nothing to fuck civilians. That means he just walks up to a random hot chick and says "let's get naked and fuck" and she did it, he still paid money for something. Now, the top end GoGo bar girls, they will eat guys up and fuck them out of their money, family, lives, and everything else. That's what I call good game. Besides, at the Go Go bars, you are also competing against 100 or so other guys and your own ego. So that's why being able to fuck civilians has nothing to do with landing the best Go Go girl in the club. Everyone, whether a customer or a Go Go girl, is just a player in this game, and the winner is the guy or girl who gets what they want, let's say 99% of the time. And of course they will always have the either the most trophy girls or the most prized customers. I'd really like to see someone to be able to on any given night, go into a Go Go bar, pick out a girl that you desire as the best looking girl in the entire club, write her dance number down, and then lastly BE ABLE to get that exact same girl to come suck and fuck you the very next night. It's called choosing your target and hitting a bullseyes. In doing so, you beat out all the other sub par girls who smiled at you, you beat out every other customer, and you beat out your own ego. I've had many wing men come with me to bars and pointed out who they thought were the best looking dancers. But when it came time to select, they always chose another. I wonder why that happens? Also, I know many nice looking guys who brag about thinking they have game because they have fucked a lot of civilian girls. I often invite them to Thailand with me. We go to a Go Go bar and I point out a specific dancer. We both agree that she is fucking hot! He requests to buy her a drink and she nods her head "no. " Again I wonder (sarcasm) why that happens?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214112]Nyezhov, yes almost every girl has a price but I bet your session will be crap with a girl who clearly doesn't want to spend time with you and is only going with you because you offered her an astronomical amount of money. Imo 10,000 baht is nothing in the big picture for a top end gogo girl. Their Japanese sponsors will hand that over in a blink of an eye and all they have to do is go hang out at Hollywood with them and go eat. At most, maybe some quick Japanese fetish sex.[/QUOTE]555 dude, these girls don't want to be with any of us. It's a job. We are just ATMs.

And I don't want to spend time with her either. The last thing in the world 5 hat I would ever want to do is waste more of my limited bandwidth on this Earth by trying to relate to some mercenary uneducated stunner (a word well nigh impossible to define). I pay them to leave.

Here how about this game. Let's go to a bar, you find the stunner, and if she goes with me, you pay.

I live in Ekkamai right now, when do you want to hook up?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2213749]You should have kept working at it because you were very lucky. Most guys don't even get to smell Lala's funky breath even after she has eaten spicy sum tom. Lala doesn't fuck many customers and you being able to stick your dick inside of her after all your efforts meant that she wanted to play a different game with you. Sometimes you have to swallow your ego and pretend to be stupid to play back with these Go Go bar[/QUOTE]Fascinating story, thanks.

My ego can handle rejections from agogo girls when I fail to barfine them but this was a bit different story since she agreed for a ST. But seems like you got the same starfish treatment as I did. This gives me some solace.

When I am on a week or two sex vacation I don't have enough time to begin to play games with these hot looking agogo hookers. If I would live in Pattaya then it would be a different play. Luckily there are still decent amount of good looking girls to be barfined who also give acceptable service even on the first booking.

Did you manage to snap any topless photos of Lala? I could not. Those would be refreshing to see.

I am back to pattaya on wendsday. I would like a thressome. Can I just pick out a girl on soi 7 or 8 and ask her if she has a frend to join us? How do I find one that will do lesbian stuff? Do I just ask? I am worried I will just get 2 girls that take turns. Is it a matter of luck getting the right kind of women or can I prepare better to get what I want?

Al so if I pick 2 girls on soi 6 do I pay double for the room?

Thanks for any advice.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2214241]I am back to pattaya on wendsday. I would like a thressome. Can I just pick out a girl on soi 7 or 8 and ask her if she has a frend to join us? How do I find one that will do lesbian stuff? Do I just ask? I am worried I will just get 2 girls that take turns. Is it a matter of luck getting the right kind of women or can I prepare better to get what I want?

Al so if I pick 2 girls on soi 6 do I pay double for the room?

Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE][URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/in-call.html[/URL] offers threesome.

You can also go to the bars in soi6 and ask the mamasan. She knows her stuff and who is doing such action.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2214241]I am back to pattaya on wendsday. I would like a thressome. Can I just pick out a girl on soi 7 or 8 and ask her if she has a frend to join us? How do I find one that will do lesbian stuff? Do I just ask? I am worried I will just get 2 girls that take turns. Is it a matter of luck getting the right kind of women or can I prepare better to get what I want?
[/QUOTE]Don't be shy, you have to ask, ask and ask. And also be lucky. When you interview the girl you must be very explicit and explain in detail what you want. It's not a problem to have 3 some in Pattaya, the problem is to find a good lesbian stuff.

Or if you want win easy just go to Devil's Den, nowadays the service is pretty mechanic, overrated, overpriced and not PSE hardcore as in the past (IMHO) but with DD you don't waste your time looking around for lesbian / bisex girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214112]Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but although she was willing to sit with you as you continued buying her lady drinks she has no intention to allow you to barfine her next time you see her. It's what girls say so you keep coming to buy her more lady drinks. Yes its possible she eventually changes her mind [/QUOTE]Allow? How does the game get messed up even with hookers? This makes it seem like the hooker is doing YOU a favor. If I go to McDonald's, do you think they will allow me to buy a hamburger?

Reminds me of the movie Life. These are White Only pies. Well do you have any Negro pies? I am here to buy a pie; either you are selling them or you are not.

If she works in a hoarhouse and is not trying to sell pussy then she is in the wrong place. It is riduliculous having to beg or coax someone in a hoarhouse to fuck you; a normal chick maybe, but not someone you have to pay any damn way.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2214236]My ego can handle rejections from agogo girls when I fail to barfine them but this was a bit different story since she agreed for a ST. But seems like you got the same starfish treatment as I did. This gives me some solace.[/QUOTE]It is not always a treatment. Just like anything else in life there are some people cut out and gifted for some things while being shitty at other things. Not everybody is skilled at fucking, no matter how much practice they have had. So I wouldn't go looking at it as they are trying to spite you or rip you off.

I mess with a normal chick in Dominican Republic that works at the bank corporate office. This chick even has a kid but still can't fuck for shit. I have hardly seen anything like it. For some reason she does not bend at the joints. So imagine trying to fuck a straight up stick person. We are friends and hang out and do stuff together, and she likes to fuck; but she is still bad at it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214275]Allow? How does the game get messed up even with hookers? This makes it seem like the hooker is doing YOU a favor. If I go to McDonald's, do you think they will allow me to buy a hamburger?

Reminds me of the movie Life. These are White Only pies. Well do you have any Negro pies? I am here to buy a pie; either you are selling them or you are not.

If she works in a hoarhouse and is not trying to sell pussy then she is in the wrong place. It is riduliculous having to beg or coax someone in a hoarhouse to fuck you; a normal chick maybe, but not someone you have to pay any damn way.[/QUOTE]What would you say to those folks who contend that removing her choice to go with customers would then amount to human traffiking?

Surely you are not contending that she be forced to go with every customer even if she does not want to? If you agree that the girls should not be forced to go with every customer, then it sounds like you are in agreement that the girls should be able to refuse customers based on their arbitrary and capricious whims, yes? If that is the case, then I'm not sure what your point is here.

Perhaps you are contending that girls should not have a right to be individually racist or age-ist?

Agree with you on Devils Den.

Picked two, non-anal girls for an afternoon threesome. Once in the room, one of them went totally cold. Wouldn't agree to anything. The other one was good. So right in the middle of it I told the first one to get out of the room. I will have more fun without you in room, I told her. She immediately straightened up. Got involved enthusiastically then on. But this shouldn't be the way it should go down.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2214256]Don't be shy, you have to ask, ask and ask. And also be lucky. When you interview the girl you must be very explicit and explain in detail what you want. It's not a problem to have 3 some in Pattaya, the problem is to find a good lesbian stuff.

Or if you want win easy just go to Devil's Den, nowadays the service is pretty mechanic, overrated, overpriced and not PSE hardcore as in the past (IMHO) but with DD you don't waste your time looking around for lesbian / bisex girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2214307]What would you say to those folks who contend that removing her choice to go with customers would then amount to human traffiking?

Surely you are not contending that she be forced to go with every customer even if she does not want to? If you agree that the girls should not be forced to go with every customer, then it sounds like you are in agreement that the girls should be able to refuse customers based on their arbitrary and capricious whims, yes? If that is the case, then I'm not sure what your point is here.

Perhaps you are contending that girls should not have a right to be individually racist or age-ist?[/QUOTE]Sorry. I thought my point was clear. I was not speaking on whether a hooker should be made to go with a guy. I was just questioning why someone would grovel over a hooker. If she does not want to do her job, which is go with men for money, then simply step to someone else. Makes no sense to try to win her favor and feel she is "allowing", of someone you have to pay anyway. When you go to work do you "allow" your boss to give you work? Does your boss kiss up to you to get you to do work? No. Here is the work, if you want to do it then you will get paid. If not, then I will find someone that does. It is simple. Seems like those dynamics get mixed up when pussy is part of a paid transaction.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2214241]I am back to pattaya on wendsday. I would like a thressome. Can I just pick out a girl on soi 7 or 8 and ask her if she has a frend to join us? How do I find one that will do lesbian stuff? Do I just ask? I am worried I will just get 2 girls that take turns. Is it a matter of luck getting the right kind of women or can I prepare better to get what I want?

Al so if I pick 2 girls on soi 6 do I pay double for the room?

Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]On Soi 8 s friend of mine secured a 3 some just by asking while we were playing pool with these girls. With help from myself we asked all the right questions and they told us what we wanted to hear. When we met later he said it was ok but they didn't do half the stuff they said they would.

The only satisfying 3 some I have had was with 2 girls who were in a relationship and it was the best 2 hours of my life and I would repeat in a heartbeat but unfortunately they have broken up and the one I have contact with won't do doubles at the moment.

My advice is ask the questions and tell them if they don't comply you won't pay them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214344]Sorry. I thought my point was clear. I was not speaking on whether a hooker should be made to go with a guy. I was just questioning why someone would grovel over a hooker. If she does not want to do her job, which is go with men for money, then simply step to someone else. Makes no sense to try to win her favor and feel she is "allowing", of someone you have to pay anyway. When you go to work do you "allow" your boss to give you work? Does your boss kiss up to you to get you to do work? No. Here is the work, if you want to do it then you will get paid. If not, then I will find someone that does. It is simple. Seems like those dynamics get mixed up when pussy is part of a paid transaction.[/QUOTE]Agree with you, Mr. Enternational. That's also exactly what I did. I bought her one LD only, and then asked to take her out. When she said that she can't on that day, I immediately decided (a) not to buy her any further LD and (b) to leave as soon as possible. I didn't want to waste my time and money with a girl who doesn't want or can't be taken out by me. There are thousands of other willing girls. When I then left, she run after me and told me that she wants to come with me next time. I didn't have the impression it was just to squeeze more LDs out of me. I haven't been so generous at all. However, since I did not return during that vacation, I can't say whether or not she would come with me next time. Well, in any case, I had then another girl from another place that night, and that was a good experience. So, I didn't regret not having been able to take the Pheromone girl out.

Nevertheless, I am just curious how the Pheromone girl would react when I see her a next time. I am willing to pay for one more LD next time to find the answer to this question. I will be in Pattaya again in September and will try. Provided she is still there (girls rotate often extremely fast).

In any case and whatever the experience I let you guys know. Then, we'll figure out whether or not Banana Boi was right.

Wonderer. Curious as ever.

Once guys understand the dynamics of what really goes on at Palace or the top clubs, they will learn to play better. I barely knew those 2 coyotes, only seen and never talked to them, never bought them a drink. But yet, they knew all about me and who I was, to set that guy straight for me. However, luckily I'm willing to share. Just because you are competing against other customers who are younger or more fit, doesn't mean you can't fuck these hot ass girls at Palace. You just aren't going to do it publicly with "all eyes watching. " If you want a fuck a stunner there, follow these Monkeypaw instructions for the needful. This is good stuff that I tell to those who feel hopeless. First off, if you feel that the super hot girl you like is out reach for you because of how you look or your age, my recommendation is to buy her a lot of drinks to chat with her. If she says, I have customer who already is buying a her drink, then you offer her 2 or 3 drinks. This will get her to drop whoever she is with or plans to sit with for at least 5 minutes. She probably will return to the other guy, but at least you have her attention for the next 5 minutes. Next, in that time, you want to request her LINE and beg her to meet you outside of the club. That way her friends won't see who she is leaving with and there is no embarrassment and shame to her. Tell her this meeting will be at a time of her own choosing or whatever fits her schedule, even if it's 9 am after she has already been fucked several times from an LT session or returning home from Hollywood, Pier, or Ibar. Just insist that she please clean her pussy well. You don't mind leftovers but you don't want the leftovers' leftover (if you know what I mean). Also, and this is a big one with these girls, promise her that you will very quiet and discreet about your meeting. Even if you return to Palace, you will never look her in the eye or approach her. You will also won't ever talk about it to anyone in all of Thailand about what happens (but don't forget share with your fellow ISG buddies, of course). Then offer her some serious money, I'm thinking the ST rate plus the barfine for the hour that will be spent. That's 5000 for models and 4000 for coyotes. She gets to keep it all to herself. Now is biggie that may make or break this deal, convince her that all you want to do in that hour of time with her is to lick her pussy, suck on her tits, and eat out of her asshole. Tell her you are impotent, your dick can't get hard, so there is no need for a BJ or any fucking. Now watch the magic work with those words. Most girls, I know will surely take you up on this offer. Once you find yourself in your room at 9 am, with your face buried between her legs, with tongue flicking back and forth between asshole and pussy, she is at your mercy. And the rest of the story ends depending on how well your game is from that point. Monkeypaw can't tell you all the secrets to what to do. Or can I?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2214459] First off, if you feel that the super hot girl you like is out reach for you because of how you look or your age, my recommendation is to buy her a lot of drinks to chat with her. If she says, I have customer who already is buying a her drink, then you offer her 2 or 3 drinks. This will get her to drop whoever she is with or plans to sit with for at least 5 minutes. She probably will return to the other guy, but at least you have her attention for the next 5 minutes. [/QUOTE]Not that I ever feel a girl is out of my reach but even I would never buy a girl 2 or 3 drinks just to get her to come sit with me. Breaks my 3 or 4 drinks max per hour rule. If a girl is busy with a guy I would just return the following night(s).

What I have done in the past is hand for an exceptional girl is hand her a tip and give her a kiss on the way out so she knows to come to me next time she sees me in the bar. That certainly gets her attention. One time I did this the girl jumped up and left her Japanese customer sitting alone to come talk to me right away. I told her I had to leave. This gogo girl is now one of my buddies in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2214405]In any case and whatever the experience I let you guys know. Then, we'll figure out whether or not Banana Boi was right.

Wonderer. Curious as ever.[/QUOTE]

Fingers crossed I'm wrong. Good luck.

Tonight I stopped to talk to a 7 on Soi 6 at Jungle bar. Jungle bar is right next to Nature bar. To me it looks like they are related, and so hence would have a similar room pricing? I had already sessioned twice before at Nature bar and the cost of the onsite room was 400 baht each time.

So when the chick told me that the cost of the room at Jungle bar was 500 baht I was somewhat surprised (and shocked). 500 baht for a small room that they don't even clean between sessions, and for which I am there for about 30 minutes is quite annoyingly high.

So I passed on the chick. They didn't even try to call me back. I just find it strange that they are prepared to lose the 400 baht that I was prepared to pay for the room, plus the 1000 baht that I would have paid the chick. Total of 1400 baht just walks away for the sake of holding out for an extra 100 baht. Strange place this Thailand.

My only explanation is that the girls have to stick to fixed prices as set by their managers. I don't know.

Anyway I walked 5 metres across the road and sessioned with a chick at Horny bar for 400 baht for the room, and 1000 baht for the chick.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214741]Not that I ever feel a girl is out of my reach but even I would never buy a girl 2 or 3 drinks just to get her to come sit with me. [/QUOTE]LOL. See that is exactly what I don't get. Why the heck would someone feel a hooker is out of reach and why would you need gimmicks to pick up hookers? Since when does someone need to trick a hooker into letting them pay them for sex when that is what they are there for all along? Sometimes you have to trick regular girls into sex. The beauty of hookers is all you have to do is pay them.

This playing it cool and catering to them like they are regular chicks, then paying them at the end has got me lost as a mf. This must be on some new megaannum (had to look that word up) shit along with all the trisexuals, and cisgenders, and all the other shit I hear in the news these days. How would you pick these same hookers up if they were working at an escort website instead of a hooker bar? Matter of fact, I think my chain is being yanked. This must be some kind of fetish where the hooker plays hard to get.

[QUOTE=Franga;2214796]So when the chick told me that the cost of the room at Jungle bar was 500 baht I was somewhat surprised (and shocked)....So I passed on the chick. They didn't even try to call me back.[/QUOTE]So what was the dialogue after she told you it was 500 baht? Because your story makes it seem as if she said the room is 500 baht and you just walked off.

[QUOTE=Franga;2214796]So when the chick told me that the cost of the room at Jungle bar was 500 baht I was somewhat surprised (and shocked). 500 baht for a small room that they don't even clean between sessions, and for which I am there for about 30 minutes is quite annoyingly high.[/QUOTE]Hopefully a less than mediocre talent bar like Jungle Bar hasn't decided to try to raise Soi 6 prices to 500 baht. Also, you are also being ripped off if your Soi 6 session lasts less than 1 hour (or until you finish). Same applies to any G club in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214803]LOL. See that is exactly what I don't get. Why the heck would someone feel a hooker is out of reach and why would you need gimmicks to pick up hookers? Since when does someone need to trick a hooker into letting them pay them for sex when that is what they are there for all along? Sometimes you have to trick regular girls into sex. The beauty of hookers is all you have to do is pay them.

This playing it cool and catering to them like they are regular chicks, then paying them at the end has got me lost as a mf. This must be on some new megaannum (had to look that word up) shit along with all the trisexuals, and cisgenders, and all the other shit I hear in the news these days. How would you pick these same hookers up if they were working at an escort website instead of a hooker bar? Matter of fact, I think my chain is being yanked. This must be some kind of fetish where the hooker plays hard to get.[/QUOTE]With you. I don't get it either. You pay hookers. The entire idea is that it is effortless. I don't understand all this wh*remancing! Makes zero sense to me. I am sure the gals are having a great laugh about it as well. And I think your last sentence is the key. Many dudes, even though the are paying, are looking to get their egos boosted and themselves validated. I find all of it pretty silly. "Competing" for P4 P gals has got to be the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of. Every once in a while, back in the early 00's, you'd see a couple of young idiots in Nana Disco get into a fight over a working girl. The rest of us would just laugh and shake our heads.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2213749]

...Of course, Ae fucked me almost exactly like her sister on the first time. Ae played starfish during the sex but did provide a 45 second BBBJ in which she cheated by wetting her fingers and pretending it was her tongue..[/QUOTE]
Absolutely beuatiful Ladies.... but i think we pay them for Sex? I prefair a horny BeachRoad Lady - maybe 25-30 years and only 60-70% beauty. But she will give me a perfect session! If I want to see perfect bodies then I can watch Soft Porn.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214807]So what was the dialogue after she told you it was 500 baht? Because your story makes it seem as if she said the room is 500 baht and you just walked off.[/QUOTE]I actually confirmed the price of the room several times, and even said "ha loy" in thai. But she was adamant that the room cost was 500 baht. I even told her that Nature bar next door was 400 baht. Also, she did mention take-out rates which I didn't even ask about. I think she said take-out was 550 baht barfine, and something like 2000 baht to her.

But no I didn't just walk off straight away.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214810]Hopefully a less than mediocre talent bar like Jungle Bar hasn't decided to try to raise Soi 6 prices to 500 baht. Also, you are also being ripped off if your Soi 6 session lasts less than 1 hour (or until you finish). Same applies to any G club in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]My 30 minutes is about how long I spend with a girl and this is till finish. But I understand that I could spend one hour in the room if required.

So, my AVOID bars on Soi 6 due to overpriced rooms or one drink minimums are now:

Jungle bar.

Lust on Soi 6.

Miss BHaven.

I don't know where you are from but it happens to me all the time in the US and Europe. Sometimes I am with a small group of 2 or 4. We can be half an hour early for dinner so we just ask to sit and wait till the kitchen opens. Denied. Other times, I would prefer to sit at a table behind a rope because the open area of the restaurant is too noisy or crowded. Denied. At US40 plus a plate, I often walk and take my business elsewhere.

Not a fan of places where the help is snootier than the client.

[QUOTE=Franga;2214796] I just find it strange that they are prepared to lose the 400 baht that I was prepared to pay for the room, plus the 1000 baht that I would have paid the chick. Total of 1400 baht just walks away for the sake of holding out for an extra 100 baht. Strange place this Thailand.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2214925]
Every once in a while, back in the early 00's, you'd see a couple of young idiots in Nana Disco get into a fight over a working girl. The rest of us would just laugh and shake our heads.[/QUOTE]Why argue or fight? There are plenty hookers to go round, Just move on.

It has been said that in Thailand you never loose your girl. You just loose your turn!

Enjoy,

Hotman.

For me that is usually not a problem if I decide to stay. But if asked before even looking inside, I would probably walk. This was even before Starbucks, though I am not sure if their policy change is international. I think for the younger guys the minimum drink could be a problem. But then they should be able to pull without paying anything for various reasons. I suspect the drink policies will change over time and based on clientele.

[QUOTE=Franga;2214968]So, my AVOID bars on Soi 6 due to overpriced rooms or one drink minimums are now:

Jungle bar.

Lust on Soi 6.

Miss BHaven.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2215048]Why argue or fight? There are plenty hookers to go round, Just move on.

It has been said that in Thailand you never loose your girl. You just loose your turn!

Enjoy,

Hotman.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! And why "compete" for gals as well? Makes no sense at all unless a dude has to stroke his own ego. I'm sure the gals are having a right laugh.

[QUOTE=Franga;2214796]Tonight I stopped to talk to a 7 on Soi 6 at Jungle bar. Jungle bar is right next to Nature bar. To me it looks like they are related, and so hence would have a similar room pricing? I had already sessioned twice before at Nature bar and the cost of the onsite room was 400 baht each time.

So when the chick told me that the cost of the room at Jungle bar was 500 baht I was somewhat surprised (and shocked). 500 baht for a small room that they don't even clean between sessions, and for which I am there for about 30 minutes is quite annoyingly high.

So I passed on the chick. They didn't even try to call me back. I just find it strange that they are prepared to lose the 400 baht that I was prepared to pay for the room, plus the 1000 baht that I would have paid the chick. Total of 1400 baht just walks away for the sake of holding out for an extra 100 baht. Strange place this Thailand.

My only explanation is that the girls have to stick to fixed prices as set by their managers. I don't know.

Anyway I walked 5 metres across the road and sessioned with a chick at Horny bar for 400 baht for the room, and 1000 baht for the chick.[/QUOTE]All the bars mentioned are part of the night wish grp bars so they all should be the same price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214305]It is not always a treatment. Just like anything else in life there are some people cut out and gifted for some things while being shitty at other things. Not everybody is skilled at fucking, no matter how much practice they have had. So I wouldn't go looking at it as they are trying to spite you or rip you off.

I mess with a normal chick in Dominican Republic that works at the bank corporate office. This chick even has a kid but still can't fuck for shit. I have hardly seen anything like it. For some reason she does not bend at the joints. So imagine trying to fuck a straight up stick person. We are friends and hang out and do stuff together, and she likes to fuck; but she is still bad at it.[/QUOTE]I have fucked dozens of women who are bad at fucking. This is not a problem for me because generally they like to fuck. But this agogo girl Lala did not even like to fuck or pretend to like and she told it right away after we started. She looked disgusted while I was fucking her. Touching her boobs was bad. Looking at her was bad. Telling a joke was bad. Everything I did was wrong. This made the whole episode crap. But it was all my fault, I should have sensed this at the club but was too mesmerized by her body. Live and learn.

Are you sure you were not dreaming that you were in Thailand and that the lady was not your wife? I have woken up trying to remember who was next to me.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2215178]She looked disgusted while I was fucking her. Touching her boobs was bad. Looking at her was bad. Telling a joke was bad. Everything I did was wrong. This made the whole episode crap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214305]
I mess with a normal chick in Dominican Republic that works at the bank corporate office. This chick even has a kid but still can't fuck for shit. I have hardly seen anything like it. For some reason she does not bend at the joints. So imagine trying to fuck a straight up stick person. We are friends and hang out and do stuff together, and she likes to fuck; but she is still bad at it.[/QUOTE]I agree. Met this skinny and very cute Thai girl at a cart bar Apple. She had 3 kids already. Her pussy was a bit sloppy no surprise, but she seemed to have zero clues about what to do on the bed.

As for star fish, I have experienced a girl, somewhat star fish the first time, timid, scared, had not taken to me, whatever. 2nd time she had had a few leg opener drinks, and decided she liked me and we were having a fun time. The performance was passionate this time, and orgasmic (If I remember right. Long ago now). She was always pretty with a good body. That is only reason she got a 2nd chance. A girl can vary tremendously depending on her mood, should be pretty obvious. Unfortunately she left the bar (I heard was pregnant) and never seen again since. Another pretty girl down the drain (or up the spout I should say).

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;2215178]I have fucked dozens of women who are bad at fucking. This is not a problem for me because generally they like to fuck. But this agogo girl Lala did not even like to fuck or pretend to like and she told it right away after we started. She looked disgusted while I was fucking her. Touching her boobs was bad. Looking at her was bad. Telling a joke was bad. Everything I did was wrong. This made the whole episode crap. But it was all my fault, I should have sensed this at the club but was too mesmerized by her body. Live and learn.[/QUOTE]If a hooker is so disinterested in you or disgusted by you that she can't even bother to pretend she wants to fuck you, even if only for your money, and you have to beg and convince her to let you pay her to fuck her, you should not be too surprised that the session will be awful as she will hate you and herself for fucking someone she dislikes and is disgusted by for money.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2215749]If a hooker is so disinterested in you or disgusted by you that she can't even bother to pretend she wants to fuck you, even if only for your money, and you have to beg and convince her to let you pay her to fuck her, you should not be too surprised that the session will be awful as she will hate you and herself for fucking someone she dislikes and is disgusted by for money.[/QUOTE]Yep! Many Thai hookers lack the professionalism to pretend they are having a fantastic time. Are they all fantastic actresses? Not at all. They may even have a GF and hate fucking guys, full stop. Some may find dick disgusting. Some may hate the Farang odours, arrogant attitude, or be scared to some extent.

We get wildly different ratings for the performance of the same girl, and this applies to Farang hookers as well. The girl's effort depends on her mood, is the money adequate, does she like you, is she scared the guy is going to puncture the condom, is she in good shape or having pain, etc. I read a report where the guy has panned her attitude, and yet she is tops for me (I must be acting the way she likes and not so stingy).

When I first came to Thailand, the percentage of girls that were bad fucks was very low compared to hookers in my home country. Thai girls seemed to have a better attitude. Young clueless dud fucks in Thailand seem to have increased dramatically. Why? I think 30 years ago, Thai girls were in awe of Farangs and Farangs were always seen as desirable. Not any more. Maybe the crap girl for me, is giving the young handsome Korean guy a much better service and she has decided 5 inch (or less) cock is much better for her. No Anacondas (a word known in common to many languages). LOL.

The more experienced girls are better at fucking, than the young newbies, so don't have too much prejudice about the girl's age, is my recommendation. My favourite regular is very experienced and well over 30. I also like a 21 year old or two, but they have plenty of experience since 15 years old, I reckon.

I find a significant percentage of Thai girls that know the guy (or not), are willing to let themselves go and cum. This was not the case in my home country with western girls. Maybe Thai girls are more sensitive than Farangs and cum easier. MP girls that have to do a lot of customers tend to be different and say that they don't want to cum, as will make them lazy for later customers. Some customer meets these lazy girls that already had a cum or 5 earlier in the day, and wonders why the girl is so pathetic. I certainly suspected things when a girl supposed to be good was so pathetic with me. Did she get any sleep, or worked too hard. Hence I prefer to take MP girls as soon as they arrive at work if possible. Being the 5th or 9th customer does not appeal.

Gents,

A long long time ago I found a gem in Patpong at Star of Light who would do both a pretty damn good deep throat (to the balls), and also swallowed when finished. Not the best looker in the stable, and not young, but the service was off the charts. So I could easily overlook the other lacks.

She is long gone, for many years now.

I am planning on visiting Pattaya in late February, and thinking of resuming my (fruitless for well over a decade now, LOL) search for such a BJ expert ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], Gypsy, Circus if it is still open, any new BJ bars that have sprung up, etc.).

Have any of you fine gentlemen run into such a performer in Pattaya in the last year or two? Or am I destined to again be hunting for a week only to be disappointed? (but the hunt is actually pretty fun even if ultimately unsuccessful at locating the primary objective, LOL).

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2213467]So awhile back I posted about this girl, I devirginized that worked at Iron. Turns out that she keeps bothering me a bit. She sort of wants me to help her get turned into some type of porn star so she can make the big bucks. When I first fucked her and her friend, it was very lame with her and no BJ. Now she wants her skills to be adequate before she gets barfined again by the next customer. The other day last week, she messaged me early in the morning on LINE. She wanted to come to my room and practice sucking cock. Crazy thing is that she wasn't going to make me pay anything. I had her come over and practiced sucking dick and licking balls for at least one and a half hour. She was still no good at it and I didn't cum, but it was a fun experience to watch her pretty lips and face try to work that mouth. At times her teeth would chip at my skin and she kept gagging and tearing when she attempted deep throat. Lucky for me I put a towel underneath because there was spit everywhere. She tells me she needs more help practicing her cock sucking skills, but unfortunately, I am out in Japan for the time being. Best of all it's all free from her.[/QUOTE]I'm happy to help out with training when I am there in a few months. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2215804]............. MP girls that have to do a lot of customers tend to be different and say that they don't want to cum, as will make them lazy for later customers. Some customer meets these lazy girls that already had a cum or 5 earlier in the day ...................[/QUOTE]The hotter girls have more clientele; thus, one of the reasons why the less attractive girls, who are not so busy, tend to give better all round service.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2215975]The hotter girls have more clientele; thus, one of the reasons why the less attractive girls, who are not so busy, tend to give better all round service.[/QUOTE]possibly true but definitely not always the case. Went with a girl at hotel classic in Jakarta because she was super nice to me. Far less pretty than any other girl I went with in Jakarta but still would be top 5 percent on soi 6. Not that her service was terrible but not nearly as good as the pretty girls I went with in Jakarta.

[QUOTE]An Indian tourist was severely injured when he fell from the balcony of his Pattaya hotel room on Thursday night, police said.

Charles Mahimai Mohan, 39, fell from the balcony of his room on the sixth floor of the hotel on Pattaya Klang Soi 14 in Tambon Nongplue, Bang Lamung district, at 11pm.

His fall was broken by a tree but left him severely injured. He was rushed to Pattaya Memorial Hospital.

His friends told police that the group of Indian tourists took five women from Pattaya Walking Street to the hotel and the group of sex workers demanded money from Mohan.

A friend said he saw Mohan stepping back from the women until he fell from the balcony.

The five Thai women denied intimidating or pushing the tourist and said he fell on his own.

Police have yet to interrogate the women and his friends.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30352871[/QUOTE]May bring some unwanted attention to Walking Street a week after Walking Street cleared in the news of no prostitution.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2213749]Honestly, from the way she fucks, I think Ae and Lala's family must have gotten raised by dead possums.[/QUOTE]Funniest story ever! So gents I want to thank you all for your advice. Heading to my first-ever trip to Pattaya. Quick question: if money was not necessarily an object, where are the hottest gogo girls? From what I've been reading sounds like Sapphire, Skyfall and Palace are tops, followed by models at the fishbowl soap massage places like Honey 2 and Sabai. Third option for cute cheaper girls sounds like Soi 6? I'm staying at the Penthouse (yes, I know. Don't judge me). Looking forward to my trip and if anyone up for meeting up, I'm game.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2216080]I'm staying at the Penthouse (yes, I know. Don't judge me). Looking forward to my trip and if anyone up for meeting up, I'm game.[/QUOTE]No choice but to judge. That place looks like a dingy dungeon. Reminds me of the house on the Munsters. Why not stay at a modern comfortable place without all the roaches and cats? How could anyone say if they wanted to meet up if you didn't mention when you are coming?

I came into Don Mueang last night from Manila. Since I don't know the DMK-Pattaya taxi ropes too well (usually I would just go outside to bargain one), the night before I decided to hit my taxi guy up on Line with my flight info. He said it would be 1300 (tolls included) to Pattaya and sent me the driver's picture, picture of the car, license plates, and phone number. But of course the driver was waiting for me with a sign when I came out of Customs. He also ran the meter the entire way. It read 1619 baht when we arrived at my place.

P. S. When I arrived at DMK, a taxi tout did approach me with a price of 1800. I told him I only paid 1300. He thought that I was offering that much to him and sent another guy to get his car. Then he said make it 1400 since it is my birthday. Point is, don't pay more than 1300 from DMK to Pattaya. I know some guys are getting ripped for more than that from Swampy to Pattaya though.

I was walking down soi 6 today. The first girl that attracted me, I bought her a drink. We sat inside the bar. She was really friendly. When standing she turned around and pulled up her skirt to show me her ass. Set in my lap some, let me play with her tits, showed me her pussy and let me finger it lightly.

The second girl was a little bit shyer. She was wearing shorts under her skirt, she let ne pull her top back and see her tits. Freindly enough but wanted to go upstairs for more. The 3rd girl was about the same as second girl. I spent about 20 to 30 minutes with each. Bought them all 1 drink and tpiped 100 thb. Except the last I didn't tip. I was less handsy with her and didn't stay long.

It is easy to spend 1000 thb on soi 6 in a short amount of time. But it is so much fun.


Question. My last day in pattaya last time, some guy told me there was really good mexican food place on soi 7 or 8. I can't find it. Anyone know where it is? Thanks.

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Question. My last day in pattaya last time, some guy told me there was really good mexican food place on soi 7 or 8. I can't find it. Anyone know where it is? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I think you are referring to the Tequila Reef Restaurant.

[URL]http://www.tequilareef.com/[/URL].

Actually there are 2 Tequila Reefs. One is in AC, Philippines just off Fields and the 2nd is the Pattaya one. They are both owned by the same friendly guy. I have never eaten at the Pataya branch which is a testament to the fact that Philippine cuisine is vastly inferior to Thai cuisine, but I eat at the AC branch all the time. Try the Fajitas or the Burrito plates and chase the food with a cold Mexican beer.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2216131]
Question. My last day in pattaya last time, some guy told me there was really good mexican food place on soi 7 or 8. I can't find it. Anyone know where it is? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, Tequila Reef Restaurant on Soi 7, a short walk from Beach Rd. You see the link for it in the previous post. It has been a couple of years since I ate there but remember it being pretty good. I would go back again if I were in Pattaya and craving Mexican food.

Recently I read a review on a new place sounded good but a bit pricey in Bangkok, I believe it was mentioned on Soi 22, it is under the Holiday Inn? Although a number of better tasting places than the Reef out towards Jomtien the Reef is convenient on the lower part of Soi 7, hits the spot for the location. Watch the ladyboys opposite.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2215749]If a hooker is so disinterested in you or disgusted by you that she can't even bother to pretend she wants to fuck you, even if only for your money, and you have to beg and convince her to let you pay her to fuck her, you should not be too surprised that the session will be awful as she will hate you and herself for fucking someone she dislikes and is disgusted by for money.[/QUOTE]Well I did not have to beg or convince her to come with me in the club but I get your point. No hooker is worth begging for a fuck. Anyway I should have known better from her behaviour inside Sapphire that it will not be a happy ending. As I wrote earlier it was my misjudgement to take her and I learned my lesson.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2216169]Recently I read a review on a new place sounded good but a bit pricey in Bangkok, I believe it was mentioned on Soi 22, it is under the Holiday Inn?[/QUOTE]This probably should be in the General or Bangkok Reports thread, but that would be Cali-Mex, next to the Carl's Jr on ground level at the Sukhumvit Road side of Holiday Inn Soi 22. Another one will be opening in 1-3 months on Soi 11, along with another Carl's Jr. It has one of those fusion menus of made up dishes; Mexican lasagna?

Haven't tried the Mexican food because I like refried (pinto) beans with Mexican food and they only serve black beans, which I don't like. But I tried a burger there and it was good. Cheesrburger, added guacamole, with fries and a drink (Coke Zero) came to a bit over 600 baht after ++ was added, if that gives you an idea about the price level.

Regarding the discussion about begging hookers for sex in Pattaya, Mr. E et al are certainly correct. I loved his analagy with McDonalds. Of course we should not beg them to serve us! Right?

Well, we don't compare the top dollar, jaw dropping, instant hardon-inducing ladies with McD's or KFC where we stand in line and order from the dollar menu. Nooooo. We might better compare these exquisite pieces of rare femininity with a would renowned restaurant such as the Damon Baehrel. Their food and atmosphere is soooooo desired that the waiting list runs through 2025! I am certain they have people begging and pleading, even for a few scraps, so why not beg a super hot woman if you may never have the chance to partake of her again?

We all need to set realistic goals and go after what we want and can afford and, hopefully, not humiliate ourselves.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2215987]possibly true but definitely not always the case. Went with a girl at hotel classic in Jakarta because she was super nice to me. Far less pretty than any other girl I went with in Jakarta but still would be top 5 percent on soi 6. Not that her service was terrible but not nearly as good as the pretty girls I went with in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Were any of these good service pretty girls at the hotel Classic? I've not been enthralled by the service I've gotten there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2216334]This probably should be in the General or Bangkok Reports thread, but that would be Cali-Mex, next to the Carl's Jr on ground level at the Sukhumvit Road side of Holiday Inn Soi 22. Another one will be opening in 1-3 months on Soi 11, along with another Carl's Jr. It has one of those fusion menus of made up dishes; Mexican lasagna?

Haven't tried the Mexican food because I like refried (pinto) beans with Mexican food and they only serve black beans, which I don't like. But I tried a burger there and it was good. Cheesrburger, added guacamole, with fries and a drink (Coke Zero) came to a bit over 600 baht after ++ was added, if that gives you an idea about the price level.[/QUOTE]In all due respect if you truly felt that way you would have indicated your response on the General Thread. Personally, we all do this there is a moderator let them decide what is proper. Neverthless, I appreciate the information when I visit Bangkok end of year I plan to give it a try.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2216426]In all due respect if you truly felt that way you would have indicated your response on the General Thread. Personally, we all do this there is a moderator let them decide what is proper. Neverthless, I appreciate the information when I visit Bangkok end of year I plan to give it a try.[/QUOTE]For sure there was nothing misplaced about your question here and I didn't mean to say that. I was talking about my more expanded response probably being misplaced here. And, you're right, moderators or administrators can move it to another thread if they want.

What I was more thinking about was not your aside normal question here but my and other possible expanded replies where another poster chimes in about my response re Cali-Mex, then another and another until it does take on a thread subject of its own. Just acknowledging that possibility in my first reply. If you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2216080]Funniest story ever! So gents I want to thank you all for your advice. Heading to my first-ever trip to Pattaya. Quick question: if money was not necessarily an object, where are the hottest gogo girls? From what I've been reading sounds like Sapphire, Skyfall and Palace are tops, followed by models at the fishbowl soap massage places like Honey 2 and Sabai. Third option for cute cheaper girls sounds like Soi 6? I'm staying at the Penthouse (yes, I know. Don't judge me). Looking forward to my trip and if anyone up for meeting up, I'm game.[/QUOTE]Go Go Bars with the (most) hottest girls IMHO are (ranked from first): Palace, Baccara, Sensations, Sapphire, What's Up, Happy / Tantra / Iron all tied (maybe Skyfall, I'm banned there so I dunno). I'll be back there beginning of September before heading of to Angeles City to wreck some havoc there. By the way, come around 10 ish is when most of the hot girls arrive to the club. A Go Go's are the toughest to play because your top choice may be another guy's choice as well. But it's the best because of the music, atmosphere, entertainment, and you can see their bodies before you take them out. Other places you are only guessing to what's beneath those clothes. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2216407]Were any of these good service pretty girls at the hotel Classic? I've not been enthralled by the service I've gotten there.[/QUOTE]I'm a Kota Indah guy. Service can be fantastic with the right girl. You know what I mean if you've been there. Classic is a crap shoot but I've had good sessions there too. The mamasans know me and know that I require tons of DFK and BBBJ. A thorough interview of the girl is definitely required at classic and Travel. Bottom line is that Jakarta is the same price or cheaper than soi 6 except the Jakarta girls are younger and hotter and almost all have amazing full natural tits. No babies like many Thai girls. I have made 3 trips since February the longest being 3 weeks and another very soon.

Anyone checked out the Thai brothels on sukimvite near naklua I was quoted 1200-1500 for 1 HR two shots the girls generally younger but no better looking than girls on soi 6 I had a particularly busy day the day earlier with 3 ladies so I was spent I'm curious about the actual real price and the service levels of these girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2216804] Bottom line is that Jakarta is the same price or cheaper than soi 6 except the Jakarta girls are younger and hotter and almost all have amazing full natural tits. [/QUOTE]I am a conoisseur of big natural breasts. There are way too many silicon tits in Thailand these days for my taste. It is so much easier to find big naturals in Jakarta compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. Here some tasters.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2216735](maybe Skyfall, I'm banned there so I dunno).[/QUOTE]May I ask what has happened to you there?

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2217004]Anyone checked out the Thai brothels on sukimvite near naklua I was quoted 1200-1500 for 1 HR two shots the girls generally younger but no better looking than girls on soi 6 I had a particularly busy day the day earlier with 3 ladies so I was spent I'm curious about the actual real price and the service levels of these girls.[/QUOTE]Yes I go to some Thai live music lounge bars that have never been mentioned on ISG AFAIK. Which one did you go to? There are several near naklua. Imo the girls are superior to soi 6 girls which is why I'm wondering which one you visited.

I've been quoted 2000 to 3000 LT which I'm certain is not what the Thai pay. I haven't been for a while though.

Edit - not sure if we are talking about the same type of bars since you referred to them as brothels.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2217168]Yes I go to some Thai live music lounge bars that have never been mentioned on ISG AFAIK. Which one did you go to? There are several near naklua. Imo the girls are superior to soi 6 girls which is why I'm wondering which one you visited.

I've been quoted 2000 to 3000 LT which I'm certain is not what the Thai pay. I haven't been for a while though.

Edit - not sure if we are talking about the same type of bars since you referred to them as brothels.[/QUOTE]I think he talking about the thai brothels in soi Esso (soi 20-22?) on Sukhmvit Road.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2217176]I think he talking about the thai brothels in soi Esso (soi 20-22?) on Sukhmvit Road.[/QUOTE]Are those brothels available to farang? It is hard to tell on Google streetview which places you write of.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2217039]I am a conoisseur of big natural breasts. There are way too many silicon tits in Thailand these days for my taste. It is so much easier to find big naturals in Jakarta compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. Here some tasters.[/QUOTE]Those are legit LOL.

How was her face tho?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2217179]Are those brothels available to farang? It is hard to tell on Google streetview which places you write of.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is available to Farangs but not many ventures particularly on Friday or Saturday night when the young Thai kids and I mean kids do their cruising on their bikes and cheap low rider cars. The old days it was like a Thai Soi 6, I was told locals got it for as cheap as 200-300 baht? But I never came even close to that price. The price quoted was 800 baht and you get a room next door pretty everything the basic. Majority of the girls working in the area speak zero English because they rather be with Thais and if they like the money will usually move on to some Thai Karaoke place or even Soi 6 or W. S.

It is really more hit and missed the conversation has lately been the lack of service or she just lay there! Will the girls I've found are young maybe too young for my taste by the looks but I and friends the few I had experienced is really lacking in experience talking about not knowing how to give a BJ. I never paid the 800 when at that time Soi 6 was only 700 baht, but I did find two that were more mature mentally and provided adequate service until they moved on.

Personally, I found Soi 6 was a better deal especially girls knowing what to do. But said today the place is pretty much done and closed up!

I met this chick on Tinder a couple of months ago. We were fucking from the jump. I never had to give her any money or anything. She just likes to come suck my dick for hours on end. Whenever I ask what her job is (because she has a car and all) she says it is a secret. So, yesterday she said she was back in Pattaya and wanted my dick in her mouth today. So I just hit her up asking if she was ready and she said not yet because she is still at the disco. It is 9:30 am! Unless her job is cleaning up when it closes, what the fuck?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2217176]I think he talking about the thai brothels in soi Esso (soi 20-22?) on Sukhmvit Road.[/QUOTE]Yes that's what I mean.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2217168]Yes I go to some Thai live music lounge bars that have never been mentioned on ISG AFAIK. Which one did you go to? There are several near naklua. Imo the girls are superior to soi 6 girls which is why I'm wondering which one you visited.

I've been quoted 2000 to 3000 LT which I'm certain is not what the Thai pay. I haven't been for a while though.

Edit - not sure if we are talking about the same type of bars since you referred to them as brothels.[/QUOTE]2-3000 LT seems good value if girls are gogo quality I was in rayong in a music lounge but the mommy told me 3000 I felt it was only st.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2217245] So I just hit her up asking if she was ready and she said not yet because she is still at the disco. It is 9:30 am! Unless her job is cleaning up when it closes, what the fuck?[/QUOTE]What day was It? It's not hard to party Friday night thru to Sunday in most big cities in Asia so I assume it's possible in Patts too.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2217278]What day was It? It's not hard to party Friday night thru to Sunday in most big cities in Asia so I assume it's possible in Patts too.[/QUOTE]It was a couple of hours ago. So Monday morning. I am up eating breakfast and wanted to get me one in afternai finish eating and she is talking about she is at a damn disco.

[QUOTE=Melor;2217156]May I ask what has happened to you there?[/QUOTE]I have a bad habit of bringing hot girls from one club to other clubs that I've already barfined a steady girl. Why you might ask? It's game. It lets all the girls at other clubs know that you have taste. If you barfine an ugly girl and try to parade her to the other clubs with you. You will keep on getting only average to ugly girls. The hotter girls will only pay attention when you have a hot girl next to you. Go Go bar girls are competitive when it comes to this shit. On one occasion awhile back, I took this brand new sexy girl that just started dancing from Baccara to Skyfall. At Skyfall, I had a regular model that considered me her "VIP" customer. That meant she gave me full GFE services. And since this was when I first started going to Pattaya, it included all bare services. Anyways, when we went to Skyfall, the Baccara girl got into fight with the drunk Skyfall girl. I had paid for a bottle of Hennessey (I used to drink alot) and had to take it to go. The mamasan and owner weren't too happy at me. They scolded me about how I had a reputation of being able to get underneath many of these Go Go bar girls skin and tick them off. At Palace, I even made one of their top models (pictured) cry and quit a couple of years ago, when I embarrassed the hell out of her at the club in front of the other girls. She was actually one of my first regular girls there at Palace, and missed an appointment with me, to which she lied and had other girls lie to her whereabouts. She didn't know I have spies everywhere on Walking Street. It kind of sucks because she was quite a performer. CIM all the time and let me pretty much do whatever I wanted to her body. Anyways, Skyfall is a no no for me. So I got kicked out that night. I tried coming back one year after and got kicked out again before my first drink was ordered. Skyfall is a safe haven for all guys, customers, and dancers that want to hide away from me. It's a sanctuary for those who don't want to get played by Monkeypaw. Oh well, they got to come out an eat some time. I'll be waiting.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2217039]I am a conoisseur of big natural breasts. There are way too many silicon tits in Thailand these days for my taste. It is so much easier to find big naturals in Jakarta compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. Here some tasters.[/QUOTE]I have mongered two times in Pattaya was planning a third time in October but damn that fine set of breasts are making me reconsider, how does Jakarta fare compared to Pattaya? Do they go-go bars, soapy massage parlors, Walking Street like party / mongering place? I guess no Beach Road kind of a place LOL.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217354] how does Jakarta fare compared to Pattaya? Do they go-go bars, soapy massage parlors[/QUOTE]Yes. Depending on the political climate at the time, you may find topless or naked dancers difficult to find though.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217354]Walking Street like party / mongering place? I guess no Beach Road kind of a place LOL.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, you are too late for the sleazy strip of low cost bars. Most have shut down or scaled back considerably. Lots of stand alone 0 to 5 star places though.

Jakarta has tonnes of stunning and available women. The main issue is that navigating the city can be time consuming as most play areas are either far apart or subject to crazy traffic.

Lots of info in the Indonesia Board.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2217290]It was a couple of hours ago. So Monday morning. I am up eating breakfast and wanted to get me one in afternai finish eating and she is talking about she is at a damn disco.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons I'm pretty much exclusively overnighting internet girls now: I never had any success at raising the dead for a morning outcall. Much easier to just keep them and get rid of the morning wood upon waking.

What's your secret to getting a girl out of bed and heading your way so early?

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217354]I have mongered two times in Pattaya was planning a third time in October but damn that fine set of breasts are making me reconsider, how does Jakarta fare compared to Pattaya? ... I guess no Beach Road kind of a place LOL.[/QUOTE]In the old days (10 years back), in fact way better than Beach Road ever was. Lookers all along Hayam Wuruk. Plenty of super-cheap girls along the railway tracks.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217354]I have mongered two times in Pattaya was planning a third time in October but damn that fine set of breasts are making me reconsider, how does Jakarta fare compared to Pattaya? Do they go-go bars, soapy massage parlors, Walking Street like party / mongering place? I guess no Beach Road kind of a place LOL.[/QUOTE]Jakarta scene is different, in no way comparable to Pattaya. First off, the scene is scattered all over an enormous (and gridlocked) city, without a strong concentration of venues anywhere.

Most of the scene is heavily pimped (at all levels, including streetwalkers), and pimps / mamasans are in-your face and pushy, so you feel they're selling you a piece of meat. One thing I like about Pattaya is that you're usually interacting freely with the girl, what happens is between you and her, and it could lead anywhere: short time, long time, mini vacation, or in the old days even marriage. In Jakarta, you're usually just paying a middleman for a limited service by a girl who might not be that happy to be there and sometimes doesn't care to pretend.

Service and attitudes in big places like Travel or Classic are abysmal, but if you just want good looking girls for cheap (400 k idr, under 1000 baht), it might work for you (looks are solid, agogo level). Smaller massage places (like Berlian or Kartika) have girls that are not as pretty, but give better service at the same price. Finding GFE in Jakarta is more difficult than in Pattaya and LT is less common (at least on the low end). I'd say what you'd consider "standard" level of friendliness and service in Pattaya would be a "great find" in Jakarta.

Moreover, most the scene is oriented towards locals, not westerners, so some places might be outside an average Farang's comfort zone. The "freelancers" who primarily target westerners (at BATS, CJ) are few and far between and ask silly money for Indonesia (like 2 mil idr = 5000 baht). No idea if they deliver service-wise, but many are older and don't look worth the exceptional price.

Honestly, I think the value of Jakarta (as of 2018) is in chasing regular girls, perhaps with a few low-expectation low-cost hooker bangs in between. Westerners are still rare in Jakarta (good reasons for that, it's not an appealing or easy city), and Indonesians still look up to us quite a bit. On a few occasions, I've seen some rather derelict Western specimens out with Indo girls that are true stunners (level of looks you couldn't even find in Pattaya). It's not exactly hard to meet regular locals, but it takes more time and effort, some game, or at least enough audacity.

If you want a scene fairly similar to Pattaya, I think only Angeles City fits the bill.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2217556]Jakarta scene is different, in no way comparable to Pattaya. First off, the scene is scattered all over an enormous (and gridlocked) city, without a strong concentration of venues anywhere.

Most of the scene is heavily pimped (at all levels, including streetwalkers), and pimps / mamasans are in-your face and pushy, so you feel they're selling you a piece of meat. One thing I like about Pattaya is that you're usually interacting freely with the girl, what happens is between you and her, and it could lead anywhere: short time, long time, mini vacation, or in the old days even marriage. In Jakarta, you're usually just paying a middleman for a limited service by a girl who might not be that happy to be there and sometimes doesn't care to pretend.

Service and attitudes in big places like Travel or Classic are abysmal, but if you just want good looking girls for cheap (400 k idr, under 1000 baht), it might work for you (looks are solid, agogo level). Smaller massage places (like Berlian or Kartika) have girls that are not as pretty, but give better service at the same price. Finding GFE in Jakarta is more difficult than in Pattaya and LT is less common (at least on the low end). I'd say what you'd consider "standard" level of friendliness and service in Pattaya would be a "great find" in Jakarta.

Moreover, most the scene is oriented towards locals, not westerners, so some places might be outside an average Farang's comfort zone. The "freelancers" who primarily target westerners (at BATS, CJ) are few and far between and ask silly money for Indonesia (like 2 mil idr = 5000 baht). No idea if they deliver service-wise, but many are older and don't look worth the exceptional price.

Honestly, I think the value of Jakarta (as of 2018) is in chasing regular girls, perhaps with a few low-expectation low-cost hooker bangs in between. Westerners are still rare in Jakarta (good reasons for that, it's not an appealing or easy city), and Indonesians still look up to us quite a bit. On a few occasions, I've seen some rather derelict Western specimens out with Indo girls that are true stunners (level of looks you couldn't even find in Pattaya). It's not exactly hard to meet regular locals, but it takes more time and effort, some game, or at least enough audacity.

If you want a scene fairly similar to Pattaya, I think only Angeles City fits the bill.[/QUOTE]In Indonesia I will always do a bit of work online and meet regular semi professional girls. Compared to Thailand the working girls are overpriced. I personally prefer to interact with the Thai working girls. When I go to Indonesia, usually Bali, I go for the holiday with sex with on the side when I get it as a bonus. In Thailand I go purely for the sex and if I see any interesting sights it's a bonus.

Hi Arn poddict,

I am silent reader of the forum. Have visited bkok 2 twice this year already for work purposes no complaints of course. I appreciate your fondness for natural tits as I have the same weakness / taste. If she has half the face I would ram my big tool inside her, I hope you she kept you happy.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2217039]I am a conoisseur of big natural breasts. There are way too many silicon tits in Thailand these days for my taste. It is so much easier to find big naturals in Jakarta compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. Here some tasters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2217556]Jakarta scene is different, in no way comparable to Pattaya. First off, the scene is scattered all over an enormous (and gridlocked) city, without a strong concentration of venues anywhere.

Most of the scene is heavily pimped (at all levels, including streetwalkers), and pimps / mamasans are in-your face and pushy, so you feel they're selling you a piece of meat. One thing I like about Pattaya is that you're usually interacting freely with the girl, what happens is between you and her, and it could lead anywhere: short time, long time, mini vacation, or in the old days even marriage. In Jakarta, you're usually just paying a middleman for a limited service by a girl who might not be that happy to be there and sometimes doesn't care to pretend.

Service and attitudes in big places like Travel or Classic are abysmal, but if you just want good looking girls for cheap (400 k idr, under 1000 baht), it might work for you (looks are solid, agogo level). Smaller massage places (like Berlian or Kartika) have girls that are not as pretty, but give better service at the same price. Finding GFE in Jakarta is more difficult than in Pattaya and LT is less common (at least on the low end). I'd say what you'd consider "standard" level of friendliness and service in Pattaya would be a "great find" in Jakarta.

Moreover, most the scene is oriented towards locals, not westerners, so some places might be outside an average Farang's comfort zone. The "freelancers" who primarily target westerners (at BATS, CJ) are few and far between and ask silly money for Indonesia (like 2 mil idr = 5000 baht). No idea if they deliver service-wise, but many are older and don't look worth the exceptional price.

Honestly, I think the value of Jakarta (as of 2018) is in chasing regular girls, perhaps with a few low-expectation low-cost hooker bangs in between. Westerners are still rare in Jakarta (good reasons for that, it's not an appealing or easy city), and Indonesians still look up to us quite a bit. On a few occasions, I've seen some rather derelict Western specimens out with Indo girls that are true stunners (level of looks you couldn't even find in Pattaya). It's not exactly hard to meet regular locals, but it takes more time and effort, some game, or at least enough audacity.

If you want a scene fairly similar to Pattaya, I think only Angeles City fits the bill.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the excellent detailed reply, thank you others as well for your response. But I think this is not for me. I can generally squeeze out a week at most for holidaying before going back to the grind so local girls courtship is out due to lack of time. Also the mechanical experience is kind of a turn off, I have ALWAYS had GFE in Pattaya the girls are really into the process what can I say. At some level I'd go for 7-8/10 girl with great service rather than 10/10 with non GFE service. So I guess Pattaya is back on, if any of you guys will be there in October end let me know let's catch up for a beer. Angeles City for sure next year.

Went to Sabai Dee on 2nd Road, North Pattaya around 11 pm last night. I was surprised by the lack of girls there, maybe only around 12 or so. The guy on staff said that the girls with the Red or Blue badges were 2000 baht, and those with the yellow badges were 2400 baht. This sounded good to me so I chose a girl with a Blue badge.

The girl was friendly, and spoke good English. She had nice large natural tits thank god, as most of the Soi 6 chicks I have been taking recently were fairly tiny up top.

Service was pretty good overall both on the lilo and for FS on the bed. She offered me some listerine but I said no. I didn't want any kissing, so looks like that was included in the price.

The chick said that she works a 12 hour shift, and that she gets half of the 2000 baht that I paid. I tipped her 200 baht as everything was good. So all up 1200 baht to her on this occasion.

I was surprised when she explained to me that Indian men get charged 2500 baht, and Chinese men 3000 baht for her as a Blue badge. Apparently they get a lot of Chinese tour groups coming in and the tour guide expects a 5000 baht tip from the establishment for bringing them all in. That's why the Chinese get charged the most. Lucky me as a farang, I get the lowest price, just 2000 baht.

Guys I just booked my flights for another session here in Pattaya in a couple of months. I am somewhat knowledgeable about Pattaya's great hubs I. E. Go go bars at LK Metro, Walking Street, Beach Road and a couple of soapy massage parlors, but one thing always bugged me. I generally have nothing to do in the city till 8 in the night, any mongering or just fun place where you can sit and chat with girls and take things forward if you wish. Just feel like I got nothing to do but sleep till the sun goes down.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217896]Guys I just booked my flights for another session here in Pattaya in a couple of months. I am somewhat knowledgeable about Pattaya's great hubs I. E. Go go bars at LK Metro, Walking Street, Beach Road and a couple of soapy massage parlors, but one thing always bugged me. I generally have nothing to do in the city till 8 in the night, any mongering or just fun place where you can sit and chat with girls and take things forward if you wish. Just feel like I got nothing to do but sleep till the sun goes down.[/QUOTE]The bars on Beach Road near Soi 8 are open mid afternoon and there are some diamonds in the rough. Kinaree is open also. I usually try to amuse myself with girls from TF with my friends around the hotel pool before 3 pm.

I think those bars on soi 8 close to beach road have a higher bar fine of 500 thb. I was in one and it did. The woman told me they all did as the rent there was high.

I went to Kinaree. It is a pretty cool place. Unfortunately the woman who sat with me wanted to do the hard sale. She kept trying to get me to take her to a room. I just wanted to relax a bit and scope out things. I think it might have just been her. Or do all the women push you to take them? After what seemed like 10 minutes of her, I said I was leaving and left.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2217919]The bars on Beach Road near Soi 8 are open mid afternoon and there are some diamonds in the rough. Kinaree is open also. I usually try to amuse myself with girls from TF with my friends around the hotel pool before 3 pm.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franga;2217885]I was surprised when she explained to me that Indian men get charged 2500 baht, and Chinese men 3000 baht for her as a Blue badge. Apparently they get a lot of Chinese tour groups coming in and the tour guide expects a 5000 baht tip from the establishment for bringing them all in. That's why the Chinese get charged the most. Lucky me as a farang, I get the lowest price, just 2000 baht.[/QUOTE]I have spoken of this before. When I take friends to the soapy and ask the guy about my tip for bringing them, he says that I am supposed to jack up the price and I get the balance over the normal price.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217896]I generally have nothing to do in the city till 8 in the night, any mongering or just fun place where you can sit and chat with girls and take things forward if you wish. Just feel like I got nothing to do but sleep till the sun goes down.[/QUOTE]In your room on WeChat, Tinder, and Thai Friendly. There is tons to do in Pattaya during the day. It is pretty obvious that you have never been to Angeles City though.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2217994]Snip. I went to Kinaree. It is a pretty cool place. Unfortunately the woman who sat with me wanted to do the hard sale. She kept trying to get me to take her to a room. I just wanted to relax a bit and scope out things. I think it might have just been her. Or do all the women push you to take them? After what seemed like 10 minutes of her, I said I was leaving and left.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you just tell her to leave you alone and if she didn't leave, talk to the bar staff to tell her to buzz off? Or were there no other ones you might have been interested in and that is why you left?

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217896]Guys I just booked my flights for another session here in Pattaya in a couple of months. I am somewhat knowledgeable about Pattaya's great hubs I. E. Go go bars at LK Metro, Walking Street, Beach Road and a couple of soapy massage parlors, but one thing always bugged me. I generally have nothing to do in the city till 8 in the night, any mongering or just fun place where you can sit and chat with girls and take things forward if you wish. Just feel like I got nothing to do but sleep till the sun goes down.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.thethailandlife.com/things-to-do-in-pattaya[/URL]

I posted this about a month ago. I've been to Pattaya about 15-20 times but had not seen a number of things on this list. It may help you kill some time during the day. I visited Art in Paradise for the first time which is easy to reach just off Second Road. For maximum enjoyment take a girl with you (mine loved it) and download the Art in Paradise app before going. Lots of fun to be had there.

That's the obvious thing to do, but it just seems rude. It's probably not and it probably the thing to do. I also have a hard time if I meet one girl at a bar and the next night want to sit with a different one.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2218046]Why didn't you just tell her to leave you alone and if she didn't leave, talk to the bar staff to tell her to buzz off? Or were there no other ones you might have been interested in and that is why you left?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2218056]That's the obvious thing to do, but it just seems rude. It's probably not and it probably the thing to do. I also have a hard time if I meet one girl at a bar and the next night want to sit with a different one.[/QUOTE]Easy to get over that brother: practice. You think it was easy at first for these chicks to put strange dicks into their mouths? Nope. If they never sucked the first one, they could never suck the second one. But after a week or so of practice it became second nature and they don't even think about it anymore.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2217994]
I went to Kinaree. It is a pretty cool place. Unfortunately the woman who sat with me wanted to do the hard sale. She kept trying to get me to take her to a room. I just wanted to relax a bit and scope out things. I think it might have just been her. Or do all the women push you to take them? After what seemed like 10 minutes of her, I said I was leaving and left.[/QUOTE]You are the customer. You should not lose out like this. Firstly don't buy any drinks for a girl if you don't want her.

At first be polite, and say not today thanks.

Next stage is to ignore her and not look at her face. This usually gives the message.

Next stage after that is to tell her to go away or move yourself to where she cannot sit next to you, and invite some other girl instead, or get mamas an to tell her to go away. Obviously you have to "burn your bridges" with girls overly annoying.

Feel free to call some other girl over if you want her. You are not one girl's property, even if she seems to think so. You are the paying one.

In bars, I like to call multiple girls, even concurrently, so that becomes clear no one girl has me under her spell completely. Girls get used to the butterfly approach.

If you don't call for the one you want, some other unwanted one will come quickly enough. Manipulator girls charge for any weaker customer they can manipulate. Don't be the sucker who could not get away from the Shark.

Some degree of rudeness may be required with pest girls. Be nice to most people though. Try to look mean at times so as to attract less unwanted companions. Girls hold out their hand to shake. I ignore them if not my target girls or not someone useful. LOL Yes I am deliberately rude for a purpose. I don't want unwanted girls hanging around me.

Is the Phillipines worth going to? I am making my plans to go back home. I thought about going to Jakarta so I could say I have been south of equator or going to the Phillipines for the experience there. I am going to do one more week in pattaya before I leave.

Is the phillipines different enough to make it worth the trip? I know there has been a lot of discussion on this in the past but I was hoping posters might just give a quick "yes, you should go" or "no if you were just in thailand you have done enough".

Thank you for any advice.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2218106]Is the Phillipines worth going to? I am making my plans to go back home. I thought about going to Jakarta so I could say I have been south of equator or going to the Phillipines for the experience there. I am going to do one more week in pattaya before I leave.

Is the phillipines different enough to make it worth the trip? I know there has been a lot of discussion on this in the past but I was hoping posters might just give a quick "yes, you should go" or "no if you were just in thailand you have done enough".[/QUOTE]You should definitely go while you are on this side of the world. You might get turned on to something new.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2218106]Is the Phillipines worth going to? I am making my plans to go back home. I thought about going to Jakarta so I could say I have been south of equator or going to the Phillipines for the experience there. I am going to do one more week in pattaya before I leave.

Is the phillipines different enough to make it worth the trip? I know there has been a lot of discussion on this in the past but I was hoping posters might just give a quick "yes, you should go" or "no if you were just in thailand you have done enough".

Thank you for any advice.[/QUOTE]Yes, go to PI. I have been to Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chiang Mai, Jakarta, Bali, Siem Reap, Phnom Penh, Ho Chi Minh City, Hanoi, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea and would recommend PI over all these because they speak English, are known for GFE, are super friendly and it's relatively easy and inexpensive to find quality snatch. IMO go to Makati (Burgos), Malate (LA Cafe), Angeles, Subic and / or Cebu in that order if you have the time and means. Try to pre-set dates from Filipino Cupid or other dating / social media but realize this can be time-consuming and many are scammers or flakes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2218068]You are the customer. You should not lose out like this. Firstly don't buy any drinks for a girl if you don't want her.

At first be polite, and say not today thanks.

Next stage is to ignore her and not look at her face. This usually gives the message.

Next stage after that is to tell her to go away or move yourself to where she cannot sit next to you, and invite some other girl instead, or get mamas an to tell her to go away. Obviously you have to "burn your bridges" with girls overly annoying.

Feel free to call some other girl over if you want her. You are not one girl's property, even if she seems to think so. You are the paying one.

In bars, I like to call multiple girls, even concurrently, so that becomes clear no one girl has me under her spell completely. Girls get used to the butterfly approach.

If you don't call for the one you want, some other unwanted one will come quickly enough. Manipulator girls charge for any weaker customer they can manipulate. Don't be the sucker who could not get away from the Shark.

Some degree of rudeness may be required with pest girls. Be nice to most people though. Try to look mean at times so as to attract less unwanted companions. Girls hold out their hand to shake. I ignore them if not my target girls or not someone useful. LOL Yes I am deliberately rude for a purpose. I don't want unwanted girls hanging around me.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this is what we need to do in this business majority of the time although we hear at times especially in Asian dominated places they don't get looks or attention. We are all different and many aren't comfortable with this type of situation but need to add it to their game as some call it.

As for Kinnaree, although there are a few aggressive freelancers the reason I like the place is that it is relaxing. From my experience, they will make their rounds come up and talk to you making one uncomfortable seem for some part of the hunt because they feel might get a drink out of it. Majority of the time I just tell them nicely I like to look that is why I sit near the stairs to watch them come to work the best part of the place the girls have no problem with it, it is the few places the girls don't get attached or mad if you take another girl. It works the other way around too once you are done before you can say goodbye to her she is already off working on another customer. If you stay then it is back the other way another girl working on you again.

There are a few older regulars that make sarcastic comments like many places from my sense might be really nasty in bed but their attitude turns me off but it is better to say nothing and just decline. The great thing about the place the girls who are the truly single freelancer and you enjoy their service you can easily get their number.

[QUOTE=Franga;2217885]That's why the Chinese get charged the most. Lucky me as a farang, I get the lowest price, just 2000 baht. [/QUOTE]Don't believe what these women say.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2218007]In your room on WeChat, Tinder, and Thai Friendly. There is tons to do in Pattaya during the day. It is pretty obvious that you have never been to Angeles City though.[/QUOTE]Haven't had much success on those platforms during daytime at night everyone wants to come over though. As far as your Angeles City comment goes, it's true but I'm planning there soon, the city is even active during day? Wow that's a bug plus.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2217919]The bars on Beach Road near Soi 8 are open mid afternoon and there are some diamonds in the rough. Kinaree is open also. I usually try to amuse myself with girls from TF with my friends around the hotel pool before 3 pm.[/QUOTE]This is the answer I was looking for thanks!

[QUOTE=Allover;2218053][URL]https://www.thethailandlife.com/things-to-do-in-pattaya[/URL]

I posted this about a month ago. I've been to Pattaya about 15-20 times but had not seen a number of things on this list. It may help you kill some time during the day. I visited Art in Paradise for the first time which is easy to reach just off Second Road. For maximum enjoyment take a girl with you (mine loved it) and download the Art in Paradise app before going. Lots of fun to be had there.[/QUOTE]I have been to some of the places on the list but not all, thanks for this! But was mainly exploring mongering options during the day.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2218604]Haven't had much success on those platforms during daytime at night everyone wants to come over though. As far as your Angeles City comment goes, it's true but I'm planning there soon, the city is even active during day? Wow that's a bug plus.

This is the answer I was looking for thanks!

I have been to some of the places on the list but not all, thanks for this! But was mainly exploring mongering options during the day.[/QUOTE]With my first trip to Pattaya I thought about going tourist activities but after 1 day got bored and found more carnal things to do!!

Its wonderful surprise for me during my this to Pattaya. I picked up a very good looking girl from beach road near the central festival around 10 pm, she agreed for short time but stayed for a long time. Earlier she was working in Insomania and Honey 2 and in Bangkok Nana, means she is a good mixture of all. And to my surprise, I had experienced all like massage, soapy, sexy dance, and most wonderful sex for 10 days with her all day / night. Just for 20 K THB. Its a wonderful memory for me, writing down with pain that I have to leave Thailand for now. . Waiting to come back in November to see her again.

Thanks,

RJ.

Met a chick on Tinder. She said she was mixed with Thai, Filipino, and Jamaican. Grew up in Manila and has been living in Paris the last 4 years. She said that she is here on vacation and attending cooking school. Kind of looked like a ladyboy so I asked for more pictures. She got angry with me saying why do guys always ask for nude pictures? Typical women shit. I told her that I NEVER said anything about nude. All I said was send me your pictures.

Funny thing is that I would write French to her but she would never write French back. She would only write in broken English. And she said that her Thai was not 100%. Scratching the dandruff out of my head. So she is staying with her aunt who works at a bar on the Dark Side. I didn't have shit else to do so I was up for the adventure.

This shit was deep, deep, Dark Side. I didn't even know this place existed. I thought I had made it clear back to Bangkok. Map Yai Lia 28 is what it says on Google Maps. There were plenty of bars over that way and plenty of foreigners still. She said she loves the bars over there because they don't have Chatty Cathy Hookers in them, but still get plenty of business. Seems like I was the only business they got on Monday.

Being in her presence it was pretty obvious that she was a chick. But she looked really weird. Big ass head and the Thai ears that stick out, but a small ass body. She said that she does not drink and was only drinking ice coffee while I was there. I had a few of my SangSom on ice and the more I drank, the better she looked. I beat her, her aunt, and another chick in a few games of pool before I decided I was going to leave.

I talked her into coming to see me the next day She said that she would if I would pay the 200 baht for her motorbike taxi to get there. I agreed and she said she would come at 10 pm when she finished at the bar. When I was about leave there was another Black dude pulling up. She said oh there is my friend. I went to the toilet then left. When I hit her up at 6 pm the next night asking if she was still coming, she said no because she had friends coming to the bar that night. Ok. This is Pattaya. No need to chase anyone.

I have noticed that in many cases chicks go on dating sites to try to drum up business for the place they work. In the instances that I have seen it will be either a bar or massage parlor. Come get massage. Come to my bar. Maybe this was one of those typical cases, even though I only spent all of 240 baht for 4 Sangsoms in about 4 hours.

Wednesday night I met a chick that said she owns a massage parlor and has one of those kiosk bars in front of it. Nothing to do so I headed on over for a couple of drinks. There was another Thai chick already drinking and chain smoking. She said that her boyfriend had broken up with her. I don't remember her ever saying, but I had the assumption that he was Thai. I had the mind to try to fuck this chick while she was in her depression, but then was like nahhh.

The chick that I came to see was busier than a one-armed paper hanger. Never a good idea to go see someone while they are working. I had an iced chocolate, then the owner and the jilted chick talked me into a tequila shot. The jilted chick had a tequila shot first and was fucking around with the salt and lime bullshit. I was like what the hell are you doing? When the owner tried to make mine she was trying to do the salt and lime bullshit and I stopped her. Just give me mine normal in a glass. They started frowning when I drank it without the salt and lime. After that I ordered a pina colada.

About one-quarter way through my drink, I figured I would like a foot massage while I sipped. I fell asleep and when I woke up the girl was almost finished. I asked her what time she got off and she said at 12. I told her to come see me when she got off. She said sure. We traded info and I gave her 200 for the massage and 100 tip. Then I went outside and paid my bar bill of 119 baht (tequila 30, chocolate 30, pina colada 59) and went home.

About 30 minutes later the massage chick was sending me messages to come pick her up at the shop. Whoa! You don't want the boss to know (plus I still want to fuck her). Go to your room and I will pick you up there. She told me to wait a minute. About 5 minutes later she told me to pick her up at Friendship Market. What the fuck? When that chick took off her bra she had some big ass titties. Areolas were the diameter of a doorknob. Down to business we shall get.

The next morning when I woke up I had a message from the boss. She said thanks for coming to get a massage. I hope you come back when you finish with my employee. Then the girl ended up not showing for work that day and she sent me a message thinking I had something to do with it. But when I talked to the girl again she said that she would start working at another shop the next day (today). Also, we never discussed money, but I gave her 1000 baht the next morning when I dropped her to her room. She was happy and has been sending me messages ever since.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2218604]As far as your Angeles City comment goes, it's true but I'm planning there soon, the city is even active during day? Wow that's a bug plus.[/QUOTE]What my comment meant was that if you had ever been to Angeles City then you would understand there is a plethora of things to do in Pattaya and would not have asked in the first place. In the daytime in AC you can go walk around the mall and eat.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2218766]Wednesday night I met a chick that said she owns a massage parlor and has one of those kiosk bars in front of it. Nothing to do so I headed on over for a couple of drinks. There was another Thai chick already drinking and chain smoking. She said that her boyfriend had broken up with her. I don't remember her ever saying, but I had the assumption that he was Thai. I had the mind to try to fuck this chick while she was in her depression, but then was like nahhh.

The chick that I came to see was busier than a one-armed paper hanger. Never a good idea to go see someone while they are working. I had an iced chocolate, then the owner and the jilted chick talked me into a tequila shot. The jilted chick had a tequila shot first and was fucking around with the salt and lime bullshit. I was like what the hell are you doing? When the owner tried to make mine she was trying to do the salt and lime bullshit and I stopped her. Just give me mine normal in a glass. They started frowning when I drank it without the salt and lime. After that I ordered a pina colada.

About one-quarter way through my drink, I figured I would like a foot massage while I sipped. I fell asleep and when I woke up the girl was almost finished. I asked her what time she got off and she said at 12. I told her to come see me when she got off. She said sure. We traded info and I gave her 200 for the massage and 100 tip. Then I went outside and paid my bar bill of 119 baht (tequila 30, chocolate 30, pina colada 59) and went home..[/QUOTE]There's also a shop with very hot girls that I get my pedicure and manicure from on Second Road near Soi 7-8. The girls there will suck or fuck upstairs when they get tipped 500 baht or more. You still have to pay for them doing your nails separately.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2218758]
Funny thing is that I would write French to her but she would never write French back. She would only write in broken English. And she said that her Thai was not 100%. Scratching the dandruff out of my head. So she is staying with her aunt who works at a bar on the Dark Side. I didn't have shit else to do so I was up for the adventure.
[/QUOTE]Nah that is not funny her written French is weak or non existent. So is mine. 4 years probably did not include huge schooling. She probably has weak writing skills in all languages. I know a girl from mountains of Myanmar could not read and write at all until recently learned to message in Thai (with spelling worse than mine).

One of my early Thai girlfriends in a western country would pretend to some of her friends that she could read and write Thai or English but was actually pretty hopeless. LOL

Some Girls taken out of school after year 6. My current girlfriend could not speak English when she first met me, but I was amazed her English reading was quite good, without understanding the meaning just from primary school English classes.

What places / gogo bars are recommended to visit where the girls will be also interested in my wife?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2217294]I have a bad habit of bringing hot girls from one club to other clubs that I've already barfined a steady girl. Why you might ask? It's game. It lets all the girls at other clubs know that you have taste.[/QUOTE]Wow, thank you for sharing cool story. And cool photos as well!

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2217896]Guys I just booked my flights for another session here in Pattaya in a couple of months. I am somewhat knowledgeable about Pattaya's great hubs I. E. Go go bars at LK Metro, Walking Street, Beach Road and a couple of soapy massage parlors, but one thing always bugged me. I generally have nothing to do in the city till 8 in the night, any mongering or just fun place where you can sit and chat with girls and take things forward if you wish. Just feel like I got nothing to do but sleep till the sun goes down.[/QUOTE]I recommend soi 6 which is open from around 1 pm and closes around 1 am. There are many bars facing on to the street where you can sit and relax and, if the urge takes you, there are rooms upstairs. It is also good value. I hope this helps.

What is Pattaya like in October? Is it super busy and hard to find girls?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2219513]What is Pattaya like in October? Is it super busy and hard to find girls?[/QUOTE]There are countless chicks in Pattaya all year round. No need to worry what day or month it is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2219519]There are countless chicks in Pattaya all year round. No need to worry what day or month it is.[/QUOTE]I like the expensive GoGo girls.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2219544]I like the expensive GoGo girls.[/QUOTE]And you think they all go take a break in Maldives during the month of October? Same ones here every other month are here in October too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2219550]And you think they all go take a break in Maldives during the month of October? Same ones here every other month are here in October too.[/QUOTE]I think maybe the competition for them becomes too fierce.

[QUOTE=Justice4;2219145]What places / gogo bars are recommended to visit where the girls will be also interested in my wife?[/QUOTE]First buy a lady drink for mamasan, she will personally introduce you to some bisexual girls.

[QUOTE=Justice4;2219145]What places / gogo bars are recommended to visit where the girls will be also interested in my wife?[/QUOTE]BabyDolls Agogo, once ago I saw a single female having fun with the stuff.

Telephone Bar too, but this lady doesn't work there anymore.

But the best idea is always ask mamasan, she knows her stuff and can help you.

The Devil Den offers threesome, try to ask is there also fun possible when you are a female guest.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2219612]I think maybe the competition for them becomes too fierce.[/QUOTE]Why would you need to compete for a hooker? Walk in, pay the barfine, and go to the room with her. They make it simple for you. No need to worry about what everyone else is doing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2219629]Why would you need to compete for a hooker? Walk in, pay the barfine, and go to the room with her. They make it simple for you. No need to worry about what everyone else is doing.[/QUOTE]Yep. Competing for a hooker? Can't get much sillier that that. Defeats the purpose. Dudes, leave your egos at home. We're here to have fun.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2219701]Yep. Competing for a hooker? Can't get much sillier that that. Defeats the purpose. Dudes, leave your egos at home. We're here to have fun.[/QUOTE]"But, but, I come from power, not money" but I spend plenty so I can talk about it. And money is speech,according to US Supreme Court.

Befriending a couple Mamas at gogos has paid dividends for me.

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2219621]But the best idea is always ask mamasan, she knows her stuff and can help you.[/QUOTE]My wife occasionally likes to join me on my visits (I thank heaven for my wife every day, she encourages my Pattaya trips), and she felt super comfortable beginning that way. She dolled herself up sexy and went out to the gogos with me, and I approached two places with great success.

Crazy House lived up to its name, and was a bit too 'in your face' for the Mrs. However, she adored the ladyboy Mama (this was two years back) and after a couple drinks and laughs the mama had the coconut telegraph across the bar, and three likely suspects emerged. After playing with them all, the Mrs chose her favorite and it was a great night. Playing around in the bar really let her get a sense of who she liked, and hey, I was going to be banging a hot Chinese girl and hot Thai girl who were into each other, so why should I get too involved in the interview process?

But my favorite by far is the Mama from Fahrenheit. I swear I am terrible with names, but she remembers me, hugs me, sits with me (buy her one drink and she checks in on me all evening). The Mrs loved this because although Crazy Horse gal was fun, Mrs wanted HOTNESS and BIG BOOBS (my god I love her). So Fahrenheit Mama was super chill with her and Mrs even came back before we left town to give her a gift. Fahrenheit Mama (I think there is only one, large lady with a beautiful smile) gives me backstories, tips, preferences, gossip. Not just behind the scenes at Fahrenheit but also at the other gogos in that chain. She's a friend now, and I will always have a drink with her regardless if I am looking for a girl or not.

One lady drink for a mamasan is a cheap gamble.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2219749]"But, but, I come from power, not money" but I spend plenty so I can talk about it. And money is speech,according to US Supreme Court.[/QUOTE]So it's going to ruin P4 P in Asia just like SCOTUS has completely ruined the US? Yep, that's exactly what is happening.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2219701]Yep. Competing for a hooker? Can't get much sillier that that. Defeats the purpose. Dudes, leave your egos at home. We're here to have fun.[/QUOTE]Ego again? LOL How can a hooker taking a guy affect one's ego? Don't quite get it. Maybe you refer to situations where the girl has several guys to choose from and is not just taking the first one, like in a disco maybe?

Ha ha. I like to take my time to choose very carefully. However in the presence of a lot of competition, I have to be aware that if the girl is fucking hot, others will see it same way. "There is the quick, and the dead". I don't want to be the loser from being too slow, yet have been too slow sometimes, especially when I was inexperienced. First quick assessment is how long she might last, being that hot. Could be less than 5 minutes, sometimes. So that is the only competition. Who gets to her first and is acceptable. Lost out so many times, but learned from the experience.

I remember vividly some sweet looking girl in a Pat Pong bar many years back, she seemed to know I was considering her, and looked thoroughly miserable when someone else barfined her real quick. Seemed to be an arrogant arsehole sort of fat Farang. I really felt she would have preferred me greatly, yet did not seem to have the right of refusable. Perhaps I imagined too much. It is not ego related who gets to hooker first. Guys just merely want to choose the most exciting one. I don't have a wingman mostly, so who am I showing off to and how? Makes little sense. Having enough money to pay does not make us wealthy.

It is a lot more galling when get to hot girl first in the Thermae, and she just ain't interested. Hard to tell if she has a booking already, or merely wants a young Jap dude who will blow in 5 minutes. Either way, have to think, okay She might look good, but probably would give a very weak session rushed. Possible some girls don't like that I can speak Thai fluently and assume I will be extra stingy and extra difficult, based on generalisation. Never get to a discussion or negotiation. Usually it is straight out no, or in an ugly tone saying okay But with Farang surcharge. Ego crushed? Not exactly. Just not a girl looking to have fun with me. Am I too old or not handsome enough? Ha ha. I think that should be a lot more relevant for guys looking to get a freebie, but you never know with part time hookers in some places. I reckon being assessed as hard work is far more relevant and would be correct I am not at all quick. Some girls only do Asian customers or claim so. Does not affect my ego too much.

Taking hookers does not make us feel like we can get any woman we want. Everyone knows a huge numbers of girls in Thailand are desperately looking for a good man too (who are not hookers), one who can speak Thai, even better. Friends of my Mrs. Are always asking if I can suggest some man for them, or make an introduction. Unfortunately I don't know any good guys, unattacted, looking for a nice Thai girl (often with kids attached LOL). I know if I had no GF, I could get one moderate aged, possibly pretty, quite easily. Does not stroke the Ego. Availability is so high. Actually mostly we are better off not to have a GF or Thai wife. Then can do as we please no restrictions. If my GF was gone, why get a new one?

I think the original poster is right that competition can be "fierce" for the same girl. It is known in Thai by an expression which means "several trains crash into each other". "Rot Fai Laai Kabuan Chon Gan". Popular girls in a bar can easily have several guys wanting to repeat with her and do LT or ST on the same night. Smart guys get to her before the others even arrive, or make a booking by message beforehand. So many times a girl says to me, okay I go with you because my guy with a booking did not show up at the time she was expecting. 30 minutes late already. She can't wait forever for unreliable guys who might not show at all. He can always get her later on when we are done. My ex fav girl in Suzie W was so popular I always booked her at 6. 30 PM to be sure of no disappointment. She really loved to be making money that early. I certainly could not be bothered to show up late and hope she had no customer, or just to see her leaving on arm of someone else.

Maybe some of you guys are easy going, and happy to take the left over dregs in a bar. That is not me. I like my regulars and like to make a booking or let them know I am coming, to avoid time wastage. If message comes back she is not available, no need to show up to the bar wasting time and money.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2219999]
Maybe some of you guys are easy going, and happy to take the left over dregs in a bar. That is not me. I like my regulars and like to make a booking or let them know I am coming, to avoid time wastage. If message comes back she is not available, no need to show up to the bar wasting time and money.[/QUOTE]There is no desire to compete, for me. If a buddy wants to fuck the same girl, and he got there first, so be it. No place for jealousy over hookers. If a buddy likes the same girl I like, regularly, no problem. Does not bother me. There is no competition. Everyone gets an opportunity. The girl decides what she wants to do, and when.

Someone mentioned recently to me some unwritten law, "you don't fuck your buddies girls". If we are talking about hookers, I don't subscribe to this silly view since it seems to imply ownership, exclusivity or jealousy and that would be downright silly. Hence I never had a great problem to recommend girls I liked other than possibly attracting psycho guys to them.

I once avoided fucking a hooker that was a buddy's semi-GF. Later I always regretted never having tried her. I also had the hots for a friend of my ex-GF, even she was a bit overweight, but such a lovely girl. I left that alone too. She probably was a much better choice than the ex-GF. LOL.

Preys on your brain if you stay away from hookers you really want badly, and really miss the chance. Other guys are perhaps psychologically disturbed in that they just have to try every shop, every girl, everything. "fear of missing out" is a major mongers' problem.

In some Chinese / Taiwanese KTVs, a customer can reserve a girl's time so she is with the customer exclusively for the hour or hours. If you want the same girl to come to your KTV room, you can make offer to reserve for more hours than the other customer, or pay more. This is a form of competition and how it work in some KTVs. If the customer has not spent enough in KTV, the girl is not likely to go out with you. There are many variations of KTVs but this gives you an idea.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2220028]There is no desire to compete, for me. If a buddy wants to fuck the same girl, and he got there first, so be it. No place for jealousy over hookers. If a buddy likes the same girl I like, regularly, no problem. Does not bother me. There is no competition. Everyone gets an opportunity. The girl decides what she wants to do, and when.

Someone mentioned recently to me some unwritten law, "you don't fuck your buddies girls". If we are talking about hookers, I don't subscribe to this silly view since it seems to imply ownership, exclusivity or jealousy and that would be downright silly. Hence I never had a great problem to recommend girls I liked other than possibly attracting psycho guys to them.

I once avoided fucking a hooker that was a buddy's semi-GF. Later I always regretted never having tried her. I also had the hots for a friend of my ex-GF, even she was a bit overweight, but such a lovely girl. I left that alone too. She probably was a much better choice than the ex-GF. LOL.


Preys on your brain if you stay away from hookers you really want badly, and really miss the chance. Other guys are perhaps psychologically disturbed in that they just have to try every shop, every girl, everything. "fear of missing out" is a major mongers' problem.[/QUOTE]Annie's and Tulip got their own threads after much griping. Maybe the the Thailand reports can split into "Winners / Losers" The winners can continue the tedious pissing contest.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2219463]I recommend soi 6 which is open from around 1 pm and closes around 1 am. There are many bars facing on to the street where you can sit and relax and, if the urge takes you, there are rooms upstairs. It is also good value. I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this! Cheers!

8/23.

Arrive at hotel around 230 pm. Nothing room is not ready. Leave bags with bell staff and head to Devils Den. Walk in and very nice English speaking man explains the rules and prices. The girls come in (all 5 and 6's out of 10's). I pick 2 and off we go. We get to the room, shower, and begin. Very nice double BBBJ and I fuck them both. Cum after about 20 min. Take another shower. Lay back on the bed and we go at it again. Got a second pop. We go downstairs. I pay the $4000 baht and tip each of them 200 baht each. Girls were average looking, no lesbian action between them, but very nice double BBBJ, decent enthusiasm, and 2 pops, CIM. Overall satisfied.

Check in hotel and have some food. Take a nap. Back out on Walking Street by 9. After dark I was overwhelmed by the amount of street walkers everywhere! Anyways go into a few of the bars. Visited Baccara first. Packed again just like Bangkok had a few drinks and left. Then went to crazy house, was pretty dead, had a few drinks and left. Then went to Moulin Rouge. Spent 1000 baht on 3 drinks with 2 average looking Russian girls. Quoted 20,000 baht to take them out. Place only had 7 or 8 girls working total. Said no went back out to the street. Still early in the night and went to a gogo bar down an Alley still today remember what it was called. It believe it was semi directly across from Saphire. Smaller place with very few customers and probably 20 girls dancing. I sat down and had a drink. Within a few minutes a very cute young looking Asian girl was sitting on my lap DFKing me. I bought a few rounds of drinks. Mamasan said 1000 bar fine and 5000 for long time. I said what about 1000 bar fine and 4000 long time. She said fine. I leave with the girl, she seems very genuinely excited and seemed to be very happy in her interactions saying goodbye to the other girls on the way out the door. We immediately leave and she says what do you want to do. I say we can do whatever and she says lets go to the Pier night club. I say sure, we go in and order drinks and hooka. This was really fun as she was like my girlfriend the entire night. We smoked several rounds of hooka, drinks, danced, DFK makeout session the entire night until it closed at 3 am. She was taking pictures, snap chats, and videos the entire night and sending to all her friends. She seemed really genuinely happy. Then we leave and she asks if I want to play pool. I say OK, she keeps snap chatting and video taping it, I really don't care and go with it. We play 5 games of pool at the pool hall bar on walking street (I wanted to leave after 2 but she insisted we stay). Things are going really well still a good time but she all of a sudden started going to the bathroom for longer periods of time. We leave the pool bar at about 430 and go to the New York diner for food. She is more and more into her phone as we are there. We order a bunch of food and as we are finishing she goes to the bathroom for probably 30 minutes. She comes back out and I finally say "what's the deal is everything OK"? She says yes. I said why you on phone so long do you have a boyfriend or something. She would not answer and seemed to look upset. At this point I say I had fun with you but it is best our time ends now. She then says no I give you whatever you want with tears in her eyes. I said no not like this I am leaving. I go into the bathroom and when I come back she is gone. I gave her no money at this point. Super weird. Fun night but no sex and 4000 baht saved. I kind of felt bad as she hung out with me for 6 hours and got no money at all just a platonic good time. Was she trying to scam me? Was I supposed to still pay for her time? This kind of felt like a college date where the girl felt guilty and bailed at the end.

8/24.

Went to Rasputin soapy massage at 2 pm. Awesome time beautiful girl. 2500 baht.

Back to walking street. Went to a few gogo's wasn't feeling it. Went back to Rasputin. Got one of the models for 5000 baht. Was totally worth it.

8/25.

Walked down SOI 6. Felt trashly left.

Walking street got drunk. Got scammed for 2800 baht for drinks at crappy gogo. It was close to Airport club.

Went to Rasputin again. Went with same 2500 baht girl again.

8/26.

Checked out Happy 2 and another massage joint close by during the day. Did not take anything.

Went to walking street. Took a girl from Iron for short time across the street. 3500 baht total. 500 for short time hotel. In out bang 20 minutes.

Immediately left the short time hotel and went to Farenheight 1000 baht bar fine. 4000 baht long time. Took back to the hotel. 2 pops one at night, another in the morning. She offered BBFS I said no, took BBBJ though. Good experience.

8/27.

Soi 6 during the day. Had a few beers. Once again felt trashy could smell the HIV in the air. Did nothing there.

Went to Rasputin. Took the same 5000 baht model from the other night. Satisfied again. She does BBBJ in bathtub but not on bed odd but still good.

Went to LK Metro area at night. Lots of Farangs here and less Asians. Checked out Love, Champagne and a few others. I was too tired to do anything and went back to the hotel to pass out. If I go back will spend more time in this area. Girls are less hot and plentiful then walking street but the places are more farang oriented and less likely to rip me off I feel. I went to the sports bar at the end of the corner to get a bite to eat. Can the servers in this place be bar fined? They acted like they can be not that I would want to just wondering.

Day 8/28 last day.

Went back to happy 2 got a girl 2400 baht very good. Got a bite to eat and headed home around 6 pm.

I mean in October will all the good ones be taken by Rich Chinese and Korean?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2218817]There's also a shop with very hot girls that I get my pedicure and manicure from on Second Road near Soi 7-8. The girls there will suck or fuck upstairs when they get tipped 500 baht or more. You still have to pay for them doing your nails separately.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip! I want to try it but there are several massage shops and en 1 hair / beauty shop. Do you perhaps know the name of the shop?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220343]I mean in October will all the good ones be taken by Rich Chinese and Korean?[/QUOTE]Come on dude. Surely you are trolling right now. As with anything else in life you only have to wait your turn. If you do not want to be second, third, or fourth, then you get there early enough to be first.

Why do you continually worry about what other men are doing? No. You will never be the only man in Pattaya with all the women to yourself. Seems like Asian men intimidate you. (You really think rich Asian men need to come pay poor Thai farm girls?) The only thing that matters around here any day of the year is who shows up with money.

[QUOTE=Theo110;2220291]8/23.

Arrive at hotel around 230 pm. Nothing room is not ready. Leave bags with bell staff and head to Devils Den. Walk in and very nice English speaking man explains the rules and prices. The girls come in (all 5 and 6's out of 10's). I pick 2 and off we go. We get to the room, shower, and begin. Very nice double BBBJ and I fuck them both. Cum after about 20 min. Take another shower. Lay back on the bed and we go at it again. Got a second pop. We go downstairs. I pay the $4000 baht and tip each of them 200 baht each. Girls were average looking, no lesbian action between them, but very nice double BBBJ, decent enthusiasm, and 2 pops, CIM. Overall satisfied.

Check in hotel and have some food. Take a nap. Back out on Walking Street by 9. After dark I was overwhelmed by the amount of street walkers everywhere! Anyways go into a few of the bars. Visited Baccara first. Packed again just like Bangkok had a few drinks and left. Then went to crazy house, was pretty dead, had a few drinks and left. Then went to Moulin Rouge. Spent 1000 baht on 3 drinks with 2 average looking Russian girls. Quoted 20,000 baht to take them out. Place only had 7 or 8 girls working total. Said no went back out to the street. Still early in the night and went to a gogo bar down an Alley still today remember what it was called. It believe it was semi directly across from Saphire. Smaller place with very few customers and probably 20 girls dancing. I sat down and had a drink. Within a few minutes a very cute young looking Asian girl was sitting on my lap DFKing me. I bought a few rounds of drinks. Mamasan said 1000 bar fine and 5000 for long time. I said what about 1000 bar fine and 4000 long time. She said fine. I leave with the girl, she seems very genuinely excited and seemed to be very happy in her interactions saying goodbye to the other girls on the way out the door. We immediately leave and she says what do you want to do. I say we can do whatever and she says lets go to the Pier night club. I say sure, we go in and order drinks and hooka. This was really fun as she was like my girlfriend the entire night. We smoked several rounds of hooka, drinks, danced, DFK makeout session the entire night until it closed at 3 am. She was taking pictures, snap chats, and videos the entire night and sending to all her friends. She seemed really genuinely happy. Then we leave and she asks if I want to play pool. I say OK, she keeps snap chatting and video taping it, I really don't care and go with it..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the write up. However last time I checked, these girls had names, badge numbers and other identifiers in the places they worked. It helps other members to either avoid the girls if they are scammers or chase after them, if they offer good service. How is this review beneficial? I guess for all those who don't know. All your report says is sex is available in Pattaya on Walking Street, Soi 6, and the soapies, but beware of scams.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2220364]Come on dude. Surely you are trolling right now. As with anything else in life you only have to wait your turn. If you do not want to be second, third, or fourth, then you get there early enough to be first.

Why do you continually worry about what other men are doing? No. You will never be the only man in Pattaya with all the women to yourself. Seems like Asian men intimidate you. (You really think rich Asian men need to come pay poor Thai farm girls?) The only thing that matters around here any day of the year is who shows up with money.[/QUOTE]You know I don't agree with you rose coloured view of Pattaya. I like 19 to 27 attractive, high end not gutter trash.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220478]You know I don't agree with you rose coloured view of Pattaya. I like 19 to 27 attractive, high end not gutter trash.[/QUOTE]It seems you have every excuse of why not to come to Pattaya in October. I admit you are right. There will be no available women here. My best advice is to stay home.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220478].... I like 19 to 27 attractive, high end not gutter trash.[/QUOTE]And you really think you can't find them in October? As long as you got cash to spend, you can find anything there. It's just a question of price.

Hi guys.

Doing research for my February trip and thru looking at Google maps street view and chats with girls from TF the above area in Jomtien is piquing my interest. There seems to be heaps of beer bars in both Soi's and if I'm going to Kinnaree and Kit Kat Club it could be worthwhile checking this area out.

Does anyone have any experience in this area?

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220478]You know I don't agree with you rose coloured view of Pattaya. I like 19 to 27 attractive, high end not gutter trash.[/QUOTE]Don't make the mistake of going to Pattaya, then. I'm not being sarcastic, not the least bit. Short of a rare exception, you simply won't find a girl anywhere close to "high end" working as a hooker in Pattaya.

Even in its heyday (and we're way past it), Pattaya was more about finding someone cute and with pleasant demeanor, rather than amazingly hot, let alone refined or able to hold a decent conversation. The girls on the "high end" relative to other working girls in Pattaya would clearly rank below an [I]average[/I] Korean tourist or Bangkok BTS commuter (in the same age range). A place like Macau might be a better fit for you.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2220841]Hi guys.

Doing research for my February trip and thru looking at Google maps street view and chats with girls from TF the above area in Jomtien is piquing my interest. There seems to be heaps of beer bars in both Soi's and if I'm going to Kinnaree and Kit Kat Club it could be worthwhile checking this area out.

Does anyone have any experience in this area?

Thanks Rob.[/QUOTE]I lived nearby for a few years. Those beer bars cater to mostly expats and tourists who come back to that area regularly. The more lively bars at night are at the very north end of Soi7 almost at Jomtien 2nd road. You can find the odd stunner there. A handful of freelancers like to use those bars to earn LadyDrinks and a nightly barfine. Soi Whitehorse I know mainly from the decent buffet breakfast special at the Danmark Hotel.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2220842]Don't make the mistake of going to Pattaya, then. I'm not being sarcastic, not the least bit. Short of a rare exception, you simply won't find a girl anywhere close to "high end" working as a hooker in Pattaya.

Even in its heyday (and we're way past it), Pattaya was more about finding someone cute and with pleasant demeanor, rather than amazingly hot, let alone refined or able to hold a decent conversation. The girls on the "high end" relative to other working girls in Pattaya would clearly rank below an [I]average[/I] Korean tourist or Bangkok BTS commuter (in the same age range). A place like Macau might be a better fit for you.[/QUOTE]No that's what I'm after. We had an argument about this so many times, I do the best girls I can find in Gogo's. I pay 5000 to 6000 long time. Mr E had a different view of what makes a girl "hot".

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2220842]Don't make the mistake of going to Pattaya, then. I'm not being sarcastic, not the least bit. Short of a rare exception, you simply won't find a girl anywhere close to "high end" working as a hooker in Pattaya.

[/QUOTE]High end is subjective so he may find high end WGs in Pattaya. One man's high end girl may be another man's budget girl/ugly duckling.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220845]No that's what I'm after. We had an argument about this so many times, I do the best girls I can find in Gogo's. I pay 5000 to 6000 long time. Mr E had a different view of what makes a girl "hot".[/QUOTE]5000-6000 LT, to sleep with gutter trash?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2220852]5000-6000 LT, to sleep with gutter trash?[/QUOTE]There are people spending a lot more than that to sleep with the top Gogo girls in Pattaya. One man's treasure is another man's trash. There is no logical way to settle this argument.

[QUOTE=Theo110;2220291]8/23.



Within a few minutes a very cute young looking Asian girl was sitting on my lap DFKing me. I bought a few rounds of drinks. Mamasan said 1000 bar fine and 5000 for long time. I said what about 1000 bar fine and 4000 long time. She said fine.
She then says no I give you whatever you want with tears in her eyes. I said no not like this I am leaving. I go into the bathroom and when I come back she is gone. I gave her no money at this point. Super weird. Fun night but no sex and 4000 baht saved. I kind of felt bad as she hung out with me for 6 hours and got no money at all just a platonic good time. Was she trying to scam me? Was I supposed to still pay for her time? This kind of felt like a college date where the girl felt guilty and bailed at the end.
.[/QUOTE]What are worrying about?

She had fun, entertainment, food and drinks for 6 hrs for free.

How much did all that cost you?

No need to be concerned about her, it's her call to act weirdly.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2220852]5000-6000 LT, to sleep with gutter trash?[/QUOTE]The going rate for popular gogo girls. That's my target. Wanting to know if they will be hard to bar fine in late October.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220894]The going rate for popular gogo girls. That's my target. Wanting to know if they will be hard to bar fine in late October.[/QUOTE]Might as well head to a better destination than Thailand if you want to spend that kind of money. Never seen a combination of looks and performance that's worth that in a GoGo.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2220901]Might as well head to a better destination than Thailand if you want to spend that kind of money. Never seen a combination of looks and performance that's worth that in a GoGo.[/QUOTE]It's only about 180 USD. And that's for an entire night. And they are good girls. The only downside is getting the opportunity to bar fine.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2220901]Might as well head to a better destination than Thailand if you want to spend that kind of money. Never seen a combination of looks and performance that's worth that in a GoGo.[/QUOTE]Never seen a stunner that provides your type of pornstar performance at all, at any price, although I suppose must exist for those with enough money. The stunners just don't usually have to do the dirty stuff. We all have to compromise on something. Once every two or three years get a moderate stunner (not quite Emily Ratajkowski) with really good non porn star performance. They never seem to last long. Often only got 1 or two times, then gone.

Best to find some hot girl who likes fucking and only does it part time for both desire and a little money. Won't be perfection at a good price.

I do see Japanese guys walking past with a stunner on occasion and wonder where they got them. Perhaps they are Coyotes at some very high price or from Gentleman's club, I don't know.

Posts about where to find stunning girls would be the most useful posts on the forum for me. They are not so easy to find available. So like you (just slightly) I have to think, why pay very high for duds and restrictive girls.

In general, I had pretty poor performance out of the odd Stunning Soapy girls, and wasn't even after a pornstar.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2220967]Never seen a stunner that provides your type of pornstar performance at all, at any price, although I suppose must exist for those with enough money. The stunners just don't usually have to do the dirty stuff. We all have to compromise on something. Once every two or three years get a moderate stunner (not quite Emily Ratajkowski) with really good non porn star performance. They never seem to last long. Often only got 1 or two times, then gone.

Best to find some hot girl who likes fucking and only does it part time for both desire and a little money. Won't be perfection at a good price.

I do see Japanese guys walking past with a stunner on occasion and wonder where they got them. Perhaps they are Coyotes at some very high price or from Gentleman's club, I don't know.

Posts about where to find stunning girls would be the most useful posts on the forum for me. They are not so easy to find available. So like you (just slightly) I have to think, why pay very high for duds and restrictive girls.

In general, I had pretty poor performance out of the odd Stunning Soapy girls, and wasn't even after a pornstar.[/QUOTE]Let me help you out a little bit. I think you know most of this stuff already. Emily Ratajkowski is famous, popular, and familiar. But to those who know about beauty, she is hardly a stunner. In real life, if you saw her body head to toe, she has the wrong leg to torso ratio. Her nose and face is a bit off as well. If she wasn't famous, I think she would be slightly above average only because of her well kept in shape body. Make up is man's worse enemy and fame is another. There are better looking girls than her who will give you PSE in the P4 P industry. I'm sharing escortofbelgium and escortofitaly, which employs beautiful Russians with 95% accuracy on their photos. I have used them extensively when traveling to Brussels and Milan. 14 girls total to date. Their services are listed, so there are no surprises or hang ups. I've attached photos of Emily real life compared to my favorite girl Adriana from escortofbelgium. Since perfect 10's, stunners, trophy girls are all debatable, let's just stick to simple majority opinion on who looks better, Emily or Adriana?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220860]There are people spending a lot more than that to sleep with the top Gogo girls in Pattaya. One man's treasure is another man's trash. There is no logical way to settle this argument.[/QUOTE]I understand your view " one man's treasure is another man trash " but that isn't what he said" treasure" he himself said " trash " Sure if a guy wants to spend more for treasure that is their business? But he seem to have said there isn't any treasure in Pattaya just trash?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220894]The going rate for popular gogo girls. That's my target. Wanting to know if they will be hard to bar fine in late October.[/QUOTE]Maybe I got the reference a bit wrong when you use the word trash. I've seen Mr. E around town a number of times I blend in so well he doesn't even recognize me even when I'm right behind him but each time and I've not blind and dumb? Been to every GoGo in town and the times I've seen him the girls with seem equivalent to some of the top ones I've seen none seem to be trash of course like others say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If you feel 5000 6000 baht is a fair price I've got no problem with it.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2220894]The going rate for popular gogo girls. That's my target. Wanting to know if they will be hard to bar fine in late October.[/QUOTE]As per the schedule below, the hottest Gogo girls will all be available to barfine:

Oct 21 - Sapphire, Baccara and Sensations between 11.03 pm and 1. 07 am.

Oct 23 - Palace, Fahrenheit between 9. 23 pm and 11.08 pm.

Oct 26 - Living Dolls, Runway, Iron between 10.43 pm and 12.18 am.

Oct 28 - What's Up / Imagine, Sharks and Skyfall between 8. 41 pm and 11.36 pm.

On all other days, other times and other Gogo bars you will find worthless trash. Hope this helps?

Mr Jones,

I admit my knowledge of Soi 7 is from two to four years ago, so the usual caveats of YMMV, ladies come, ladies go, etc. Etc. Additionally my reasons for being in that locale we not related to our? Hobby? / vocation?

Soi Whitehouse (or Whitehorse or Whatever) I have no experience of the bars towards the beach road end of Soi 7 tend to be the "sofa for the wrinklies" kind. This is cheap Charlie town where a lot of Europeans sit out the cold north European winter and nurse a single beer for months, living the high life. The ladies were there but were much not much younger (or slimmer) than the customers. I have no interest in whether they were available or for what price.

There were a couple of interesting pool bars (not my sport) opposite Mermaid resort that had interesting younger staff and a very pleasant vibe (as in very friendly but not pushy if, like me, you were only there for a beer and to unwind rather than to indulge in the more basic pleasures, but always nice to know you could if the whim takes you). However, last time I was there they had a new European (until March 2019) owner who treated the girls like sh! T and was only interested in playing HIS music and would change songs every 30 seconds.

Top end of Soi 7 was lots of shop-house guesthouses = bars = restaurants = whatever they need to do to extract THB from your wallet. Certainly didn't ever feel like drinking, eating or "partaking" in any of them as I walked past.

I did a couple of fly pasts of the big beer bar complex across Jomtien Second Road from Soi 7. Nothing and no one struck me as must do. But there were some good street food stalls there for a graze in not a full nosebag.

Last I was there the sole GoGo in Jomtien was up at Thappraya Road (don't bother correcting it is your Nick starts with Sy*) and I have to say it was the saddest, but also the funniest, chrome pole bar I have ever been in. It was like an Obstetrics and Gynecological (American spell check so cannot handle Gynaecological) surgery "how not to" show.

The area is much quieter than the other side of Pratumnak Hill (South / Central / North Pattaya. Even Nakklua is more lively). If that suits your plans then fine. I wouldn't list this as a "must do destination", but if other business keeps you in the area I'm sure you'll find something locally with a little searching and maybe enough alcohol to accept what's available.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2221062]As per the schedule below, the hottest Gogo girls will all be available to barfine:

Oct 21 - Sapphire, Baccara and Sensations between 11.03 pm and 1. 07 am.

Oct 23 - Palace, Fahrenheit between 9. 23 pm and 11.08 pm.

Oct 26 - Living Dolls, Runway, Iron between 10.43 pm and 12.18 am.

Oct 28 - What's Up / Imagine, Sharks and Skyfall between 8. 41 pm and 11.36 pm.

On all other days, other times and other Gogo bars you will find worthless trash. Hope this helps?[/QUOTE]Hi Blanc.

Can you do a chart for me for February please? I like 1 armed, deaf midgets. My budget is 800 per day and I like 3 ways. I feel old and like to be fed and in bed before 7 pm.

LOL.

I would pay to watch this guy in a bar.

Love your sense of humour.

Rob.

Mr Jones,

I admit my knowledge of Soi 7 is from two to four years ago, so the usual caveats of YMMV, ladies come, ladies go, etc. Etc. Additionally my reasons for being in that locale we not related to our? Hobby? / vocation?

Soi Whitehouse (or Whitehorse or Whatever) I have no experience of. The bars towards the beach road end of Soi 7 tend to be the "sofa for the wrinklies" kind. This is cheap Charlie town where a lot of Europeans sit out the cold north European winter and nurse a single beer for months, living the high life. The ladies were there but were much not much younger (or slimmer) than the customers. I have no interest in whether they were available or for what price.

There were a couple of interesting pool bars (not my sport) opposite Mermaid resort that had interesting staff and a very pleasant vibe (as in very friendly but not pushy if, like me, you were only there for a beer and to unwind rather than to indulge in the more basic pleasures, but always nice to know you could if the whim takes you). However, last time I was there they had a new European (until March 2019) owner who treated the girls like sh! T and was only interested in playing HIS music and would change songs every 30 seconds.

Top end of Soi 7 was lots of shop-house guesthouses = bars = restaurants = whatever they need to do to extract THB from your wallet. Certainly didn't ever feel like drinking, eating or "partaking" in any of them as I walked past.

I did a couple of fly pasts of the big beer bar complex across Jomtien Second Road from Soi 7. Nothing and no one struck me as must do. But there were some good street food stalls there for a graze if not a full nosebag.

Last I was there the sole GoGo in Jomtien was up at Thappraya Road and I have to say it was the saddest, but also the funniest, chrome pole bar I have ever been in. It was like an Obstetrics and Gynecological (American spell check so cannot handle Gynaecological) surgery "how not to" show.

The area is much quieter than the other side of Pratumnak Hill (South / Central / North Pattaya. Even Nakklua is more lively). If that suits your plans then fine. I wouldn't list this as a "must do destination", but if other business keeps you in the area I'm sure you'll find something locally with a little searching and maybe enough alcohol to accept what's available.

Regards.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220990] who looks better, Emily or Adriana?[/QUOTE]I'm a boob guy and Emily's looks bigger so I'm going with Emily.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2221309]Mr Jones,

I admit my knowledge of Soi 7 is from two to four years ago, so the usual caveats of YMMV, ladies come, ladies go, etc. Etc. Additionally my reasons for being in that locale we not related to our? Hobby? / vocation?

Soi Whitehouse (or Whitehorse or Whatever) I have no experience of. The bars towards the beach road end of Soi 7 tend to be the "sofa for the wrinklies" kind. This is cheap Charlie town where a lot of Europeans sit out the cold north European winter and nurse a single beer for months, living the high life. The ladies were there but were much not much younger (or slimmer) than the customers. I have no interest in whether they were available or for what price.

There were a couple of interesting pool bars (not my sport) opposite Mermaid resort that had interesting staff and a very pleasant vibe (as in very friendly but not pushy if, like me, you were only there for a beer and to unwind rather than to indulge in the more basic pleasures, but always nice to know you could if the whim takes you). However, last time I was there they had a new European (until March 2019) owner who treated the girls like sh! T and was only interested in playing HIS music and would change songs every 30 seconds.

Top end of Soi 7 was lots of shop-house guesthouses = bars = restaurants = whatever they need to do to extract THB from your wallet. Certainly didn't ever feel like drinking, eating or "partaking" in any of them as I walked past.

I did a couple of fly pasts of the big beer bar complex across Jomtien Second Road from Soi 7. Nothing and no one struck me as must do. But there were some good street food stalls there for a graze if not a full nosebag.

Last I was there the sole GoGo in Jomtien was up at Thappraya Road and I have to say it was the saddest, but also the funniest, chrome pole bar I have ever been in. It was like an Obstetrics and Gynecological (American spell check so cannot handle Gynaecological) surgery "how not to" show.

The area is much quieter than the other side of Pratumnak Hill (South / Central / North Pattaya. Even Nakklua is more lively). If that suits your plans then fine. I wouldn't list this as a "must do destination", but if other business keeps you in the area I'm sure you'll find something locally with a little searching and maybe enough alcohol to accept what's available.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply. I'm in Pattaya for 8 days so based on what I'm hearing I may save this area for a trip when I have more time or really get bored with the Central Pattaya afternoon attractions. It may have a place in my agenda if I'm wanting a quiet and amusing afternoon people watching. As I stated before I have met on a dating site 2 young likely girls who work in that area so diamonds in the rough may be available.

In reality I think your post has saved me a valuable afternoon.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Theo110;2220291]Fun night but no sex and 4000 baht saved. I kind of felt bad as she hung out with me for 6 hours and got no money at all just a platonic good time. Was she trying to scam me? Was I supposed to still pay for her time? This kind of felt like a college date where the girl felt guilty and bailed at the end.
[/QUOTE]Unusual, but it would have been proper to have given her maybe 1,000 TB for her time. The food and drink you provided her doesn't pay her bills. You got her from an agogo club and it was expected you would pay her something. Something was obviously going on with her, and when you bailed, she was crying. So, someone on the phone was causing her troubles and then you caused her troubles and she probably made nothing for a night's work and her life got that much worse. Yes, she messed up and can't blame you for walking away without paying the entire 4,000, but she gave you lots of entertainment and 6 hours of her time, so you kind of stiffed her. Not cool.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2221556]Unusual, but it would have been proper to have given her maybe 1,000 TB for her time. The food and drink you provided her doesn't pay her bills. You got her from an agogo club and it was expected you would pay her something. Something was obviously going on with her, and when you bailed, she was crying. So, someone on the phone was causing her troubles and then you caused her troubles and she probably made nothing for a night's work and her life got that much worse. Yes, she messed up and can't blame you for walking away without paying the entire 4,000, but she gave you lots of entertainment and 6 hours of her time, so you kind of stiffed her. Not cool.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out she was the one that played him. Afterall, she was the one that bailed when he went to the bathroom. Maybe her intentions were never to go back to the hotel, and instead just make her money from the barfine and drinks.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2221556]Unusual, but it would have been proper to have given her maybe 1,000 TB for her time. The food and drink you provided her doesn't pay her bills. You got her from an agogo club and it was expected you would pay her something. Something was obviously going on with her, and when you bailed, she was crying. So, someone on the phone was causing her troubles and then you caused her troubles and she probably made nothing for a night's work and her life got that much worse. Yes, she messed up and can't blame you for walking away without paying the entire 4,000, but she gave you lots of entertainment and 6 hours of her time, so you kind of stiffed her. Not cool.[/QUOTE]So you need a operation you make a appointment with your surgeon have it all lined up and on the day appointed he has a fight with his wife and instead of professionally doing his job as was contracted or offering an alternative he turned on a few movies for you to watch as entertainment then spent a few hours on the phone arguing and crying on the phone afterwards he apologizes and sends you home, naturally you don't pay. Well I say that's not cool as he gave you entertainment and spent how many hours with you and you stiffed him. Its people like you and not the Korean or the Japanese (insert stereotype) that has made girls attitudes worse and prices go up not that long ago for 1 k I could get a girl long time I still can but its be a plain jane type but at least ID be able to have sex according to you a girl who wastes my time for 6 hrs and I'm supposed to compensate her. I contract her for sexual services I take her around so as to make her feel less of a prostitute, if I wanted to waste my time dating and not get sex ID go on tinder etc there are plenty girl happy for free dinner and partying and I don't have to pay her for her time.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2221556]Unusual, but it would have been proper to have given her maybe 1,000 TB for her time. The food and drink you provided her doesn't pay her bills. You got her from an agogo club and it was expected you would pay her something. Something was obviously going on with her, and when you bailed, she was crying. So, someone on the phone was causing her troubles and then you caused her troubles and she probably made nothing for a night's work and her life got that much worse. Yes, she messed up and can't blame you for walking away without paying the entire 4,000, but she gave you lots of entertainment and 6 hours of her time, so you kind of stiffed her. Not cool.[/QUOTE]Hi Hawk.

I re-read his post and it is very grey. She didn't ask and he didn't offer but with her disappearing while he was at the bathroom probably didn't help. I personally wouldn't barfine an agogo girl and then take them out on a date! If I want a night out I would probably try to get a freebie girl or a part timer and have a long time session at half the price and no barfine.

You are due to hit Pattaya soon?

All the best Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2221588]Hi Hawk.

I re-read his post and it is very grey. She didn't ask and he didn't offer but with her disappearing while he was at the bathroom probably didn't help. I personally wouldn't barfine an agogo girl and then take them out on a date! If I want a night out I would probably try to get a freebie girl or a part timer and have a long time session at half the price and no barfine.

You are due to hit Pattaya soon?

All the best Rob.[/QUOTE]I really don't think Hawk was serious about his post. I think he was fuckin' around with Theo.

I say this because this is what I would do.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2221556]Unusual, but it would have been proper to have given her maybe 1,000 TB for her time. The food and drink you provided her doesn't pay her bills. You got her from an agogo club and it was expected you would pay her something. Something was obviously going on with her, and when you bailed, she was crying. So, someone on the phone was causing her troubles and then you caused her troubles and she probably made nothing for a night's work and her life got that much worse. Yes, she messed up and can't blame you for walking away without paying the entire 4,000, but she gave you lots of entertainment and 6 hours of her time, so you kind of stiffed her. Not cool.[/QUOTE]You get a girl from a GoGo to fuck her. As a standard she should BBBJ, CIM and lick ass. That is what she should be expecting to do when she leaves the club, nothing else. Did she refuse to go to the hotel? If not then you probably should have paid her for her time. Maybe not the 4 k, but something.

Day 1.

Following my little' Hector, HectorG recently made his first-ever visit to Pattaya, the holy grail of mongering hobbyists. Thank you to all my fellow mongers for the advice, tips and tricks over the past few months. During 4 days in Pattaya I managed to bang nine hotties in a variety of venues. I wanted to try everything but of course ran out of time. So many women, so few vacation days.

Landed in Bangkok about lunchtime. Following the advice of several people here, I used the express immigration line, exited customs and purchased a "Happy Tourist" SIM card form the Dtac office just outside of customs door. I made my way to the taxi queue and booked a regular taxi (1500 Baht) directly to Pattaya. Yes I know there were cheaper options but time is money and I wasn't going to hunt for a better deal just to save $5 USD.

I spent the first two days of my trip at Penthouse. Yes, I know, I can already see the eye rolls from long-time visitors and residents. But it seemed like "once a lifetime" bucket list you must try if you're a monger. Penthouse a gaudy, OTT sex hotel with one purpose. It was relatively clean and tidy and I splurged for a nicer room. My complaints are it was overpriced considering what you would pay at another nicer newer hotel down the street but I wanted to be walking distance to Walking Street. In hindsight, I wouldn't do it again because I only brought girls home twice for short-time (Hector is not personally a fan of long-time. I like to sleep alone).

After a short nap and shower, it was about 5 pm so I headed to Soi 6. I have been following the various Soi 6 bars on Facebook, where you can find many photos of the working girls. I had several specific girls in mind so I headed straight to Toy Box. I never found the girl I wanted but after I ordered a beer, an older blonde named Koom sat down and we hit it off immediately. She is 30, petite blonde with natural boobs and decent service. Total damage was 1400 + 400 room fee. Good introduction to Soi 6.

I returned to my hotel for another nap and then headed to Sapphire. Again I've been following their FB page and the gorgeous girls photos. I had a list of about 10 girls and their numbers. My favorite girl Beer no longer works there, my other favorites were nowhere to be found, and one I was hoping to meet (Mook) turned out to be quite stuck up and zero connection. I had a few beers, chatted with the mamasan and the older bartender ladies about my likes. They suggested Neena. Yes! She was on my top 10 list. About 10 minutes later she appeared at work. Neena was just my type. Petite dyed blonde no taller than 5 feet (152 cm), firm handful be-cup boobs and one of the most perfect asses I've ever seen. She had only a few small tattoos (I'm generally not a fan of tats). I had to have her. But she wouldn't come to my hotel because she planed to come right back to work so she suggested a nearby short time hotel. Total damage was 1500 barfine + 3000 girl + 350 room. Yes I know that's pricey but I HAD to have her. She provided incredible service, BBBJ, DATY, MPOG. As much as people complain about 2018 Pattaya prices, 4500 Baht is "only" $137 USD, a bargain in my book considering the same girl would have cost minimum $350-$450 USD at a decent US escort service which I would never use anyway for privacy reasons.

I had a final "experience" that night, one which cannot be discussed in this form but I am happy to indulge by PM.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221697]Day 1.

Following my little' Hector, HectorG recently made his first-ever visit to Pattaya, the holy grail of mongering hobbyists. Thank you to all my fellow mongers for the advice, tips and tricks over the past few months. During 4 days in Pattaya I managed to bang nine hotties in a variety of venues. I wanted to try everything but of course ran out of time. So many women, so few vacation days.

Landed in Bangkok about lunchtime. Following the advice of several people here, I used the express immigration line, exited customs and purchased a "Happy Tourist" SIM card form the Dtac office just outside of customs door. I made my way to the taxi queue and booked a regular taxi (1500 Baht) directly to Pattaya. Yes I know there were cheaper options but time is money and I wasn't going to hunt for a better deal just to save $5 USD.

I spent the first two days of my trip at Penthouse. Yes, I know, I can already see the eye rolls from long-time visitors and residents. But it seemed like "once a lifetime" bucket list you must try if you're a monger. Penthouse a gaudy, OTT sex hotel with one purpose. It was relatively clean and tidy and I splurged for a nicer room. My complaints are it was overpriced considering what you would pay at another nicer newer hotel down the street but I wanted to be walking distance to Walking Street. In hindsight, I wouldn't do it again because I only brought girls home twice for short-time (Hector is not personally a fan of long-time. I like to sleep alone).

After a short nap and shower, it was about 5 pm so I headed to Soi 6. I have been following the various Soi 6 bars on Facebook, where you can find many photos of the working girls. I had several specific girls in mind so I headed straight to Toy Box. I never found the girl I wanted but after I ordered a beer, an older blonde named Koom sat down and we hit it off immediately. She is 30, petite blonde with natural boobs and decent service. Total damage was 1400 + 400 room fee. Good introduction to Soi 6.

I returned to my hotel for another nap and then headed to Sapphire. Again I've been following their FB page and the gorgeous girls photos. I had a list of about 10 girls and their numbers. My favorite girl Beer no longer works there, my other favorites were nowhere to be found, and one I was hoping to meet (Mook) turned out to be quite stuck up and zero connection. I had a few beers, chatted with the mamasan and the older bartender ladies about my likes. They suggested Neena. Yes! She was on my top 10 list. About 10 minutes later she appeared at work. Neena was just my type. Petite dyed blonde no taller than 5 feet (152 cm), firm handful be-cup boobs and one of the most perfect asses I've ever seen. She had only a few small tattoos (I'm generally not a fan of tats). I had to have her. But she wouldn't come to my hotel because she planed to come right back to work so she suggested a nearby short time hotel. Total damage was 1500 barfine + 3000 girl + 350 room. Yes I know that's pricey but I HAD to have her. She provided incredible service, BBBJ, DATY, MPOG. As much as people complain about 2018 Pattaya prices, 4500 Baht is "only" $137 USD, a bargain in my book considering the same girl would have cost minimum $350-$450 USD at a decent US escort service which I would never use anyway for privacy reasons.

I had a final "experience" that night, one which cannot be discussed in this form but I am happy to indulge by PM.[/QUOTE]I think everyone should have at least 1 night at the Penthouse LOL. We stayed there in February for 5 nights and found it ok but won't repeat.

Looking forward to reading day 2.

[QUOTE=Theo110;2220291]8/23.

Arrive at hotel around 230 pm. (...)

At this point I say I had fun with you but it is best our time ends now. She then says no I give you whatever you want with tears in her eyes. I said no not like this I am leaving. I go into the bathroom and when I come back she is gone. I gave her no money at this point. Super weird. Fun night but no sex and 4000 baht saved. I kind of felt bad as she hung out with me for 6 hours and got no money at all just a platonic good time. Was she trying to scam me? Was I supposed to still pay for her time? This kind of felt like a college date where the girl felt guilty and bailed at the end. (...)

[/QUOTE]Perhaps, there is a simple answer to this behavior of the girl. Actually, she didn't want to have sex with you. She just wanted to have some entertainment, possibly make you drunk, and at the end to get the 4000 Baht. Without the need to have sex with you. However, back to your room, she figured out that she can't get the money without having sex with you. That's when she changed her mind, realizing that the fish might escape if she doesn't open her legs. So, she offered you "whatever you wanted". Then, when you were under the shower, she was afraid that you might just have sex with her, but perhaps you might not pay. On top, you argued with her about possibly having a boyfriend. She might have thought that you are the jealous guy and at the end would drop her. I never argue about the girls' private matters. I just would tell her to turn the mobile off or silent.

When you were under the shower, she was convinced that you wouldn't pay her. You can call yourself lucky that you took her out of a bar, and she was no freelance. Otherwise, she might have left with some of your valuables.

Some more thoughts and questions:

- It would be nice to know the name of the bar and the girl's number.

- It appears that you stayed at a hotel where they didn't keep the girl's ID card? This is weird. According to my experience, nowadays almost all hotels keep the ID. For your security reasons, and exactly for the cases you experienced (and the girl walks away with your valuables). What hotel did you stay at?

Wonderer. Who will be in Pattaya soon again.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2221781]Perhaps, there is a simple answer to this behavior of the girl. Actually, she didn't want to have sex with you. She just wanted to have some entertainment, possibly make you drunk, and at the end to get the 4000 Baht. Without the need to have sex with you. However, back to your room, she figured out that she can't get the money without having sex with you. That's when she changed her mind, realizing that the fish might escape if she doesn't open her legs. So, she offered you "whatever you wanted". Then, when you were under the shower, she was afraid that you might just have sex with her, but perhaps you might not pay. On top, you argued with her about possibly having a boyfriend. She might have thought that you are the jealous guy and at the end would drop her. I never argue about the girls' private matters. I just would tell her to turn the mobile off or silent.

When you were under the shower, she was convinced that you wouldn't pay her. You can call yourself lucky that you took her out of a bar, and she was no freelance. Otherwise, she might have left with some of your valuables.

Some more thoughts and questions:

- It would be nice to know the name of the bar and the girl's number.

- It appears that you stayed at a hotel where they didn't keep the girl's ID card? This is weird. According to my experience, nowadays almost all hotels keep the ID. For your security reasons, and exactly for the cases you experienced (and the girl walks away with your valuables). What hotel did you stay at?

Wonderer. Who will be in Pattaya soon again.[/QUOTE]They never got to the hotel. He went to the bathroom and she left when they were at the New York diner.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2221803]They never got to the hotel. He went to the bathroom and she left when they were at the New York diner.[/QUOTE]Shit. It must be something about that place. I had a chick do the same thing. It was no gogo chick or nothing like that. I was up in Insomnia with Amex. He was already with the chicks when I came. Actually he was not with them but they were all sharing the same table. So I got on one of the chicks. When Insomnia closed and we got downstairs to grab a bite at NY, I went to the toilet. When I came back the chick was leaving out the door. I went and asked her friend where she went. She said that she went home because she thought I did not want her. I ran over to the door, but the chick had disappeared into thin air. And her friend did not have her contact info. I have never understood chicks hanging out saying they are friends, but don't even have each other's phone numbers.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2221803]They never got to the hotel. He went to the bathroom and she left when they were at the New York diner.[/QUOTE]The chick never intended to go to his hotel. She allowed herself to be barfined so she could meet a certain individual at the place/s she took the dude to. She was on the phone with this individual like "Where are you?" "Why are you not here like you promised?" "Am I really going to see you tonight?" When it finally began dawning on her that the individual would not be coming tears came to her eyes and she eventually bailed; or, did the individual come while the hobbyist was in the toilet? The plot thickens.

I went back to Sabai Dee body massage for my second visit. This time I went top tier and chose a pink badged chick for 3000 baht. Yellow badges were 2400 and red badges were 2000 baht.

I was interested in the pricing conundrum because on my last visit I was told by the chick that Chinese and Indians pay more than Europeans. That first chick said that they pay more because they come in in groups with a tour guide and the tour guide needs to be paid off to the tune of 5000 baht. That's why Chinese and Indians have their session bumped up in price.

So I asked this second chick why?

This time the chick explained to me that Europeans have been coming to Pattaya for a very long time and so deserve lower pricing. However Chinese and Indians are only recent entrants to Pattaya so they need to pay more.

To me it's like she is saying that us Europeans / Americans put Pattaya on the map and made it what it is today. So we need to be rewarded for that.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2221803]They never got to the hotel. He went to the bathroom and she left when they were at the New York diner.[/QUOTE]This is not an accurate. This is what Theo wrote: " At this point I say I had fun with you but it is best our time ends now. She then says no I give you whatever you want with tears in her eyes. I said no not like this I am leaving. I go into the bathroom and when I come back she is gone. " She left because he dismissed her. He told her he was leaving. It was perhaps too late for Theo, and I absolutely understand his frustration after all the distractions during the last hour or two of their 6 hour date. I would, and have, left too! But she said she would do whatever he wanted and it was then he walked away. So it was Theo, not the girl, who ultimately broke the contract MutantChicken speaks of. It is why Theo felt guilty about giving no compensation to her after she provided him with a pretty much GFE evening.

My only quibble with Theo is that he should have left her something for the 4 good hours she did provide him. I mention it as this can be a learning experience. He was rightfully upset and was right to dump her and avoid paying 4000 for probably terrible sex, but I think he realizes he should have left her with a little something for the overall great time that he had. Now, had she actually walked away from him then, of course, he should not be expected to run after her to give her a tip for the evening!

And I will be there Nov 5!

[QUOTE=Franga;2221912]I went back to Sabai Dee body massage for my second visit. This time I went top tier and chose a pink badged chick for 3000 baht. Yellow badges were 2400 and red badges were 2000 baht.

I was interested in the pricing conundrum because on my last visit I was told by the chick that Chinese and Indians pay more than Europeans. That first chick said that they pay more because they come in in groups with a tour guide and the tour guide needs to be paid off to the tune of 5000 baht. That's why Chinese and Indians have their session bumped up in price.

So I asked this second chick why?

This time the chick explained to me that Europeans have been coming to Pattaya for a very long time and so deserve lower pricing. However Chinese and Indians are only recent entrants to Pattaya so they need to pay more.

To me it's like she is saying that us Europeans / Americans put Pattaya on the map and made it what it is today. So we need to be rewarded for that.[/QUOTE]I asked the same question too and have received similar answers from different people but never about European loyalty. I heard one papasan explain it was because Indians charged more because spend too much time just looking and wasting mamasan and papasan time, returning repeatedly before ever hiring a girl, and even then they will attempt to barter as if it's an Indian market. The Chinese are charged more just because they are willing to pay whatever they ask and rarely put up a haggle.

Day 2.

Woke up around 10 am, quick free breakfast at Penthouse where I saw the biggest rat in the world run into the hotel from the open front door and straight into the kitchen. Appetite killed and already sick of Penthouse, I left to go sightseeing for a while. After a late lunch I decided to hit the Soapies. There were lots of girls in all price ranges. Hector has an obsession with "K-pop" girls and the high price range did not disappoint. I had initially had connection with another older girl. But while I was window shopping the merchandise, in walked a group of older Chinese douchebags who started pointing and taking every girl in the 3000 range without a single thought. They were being quite aggressive with the staff, basically acting like they owned the place. There were 6 Chinese guys and 6 "K-pop" looking girls. Always one for competition, and pissed off at their attitude, I immediately picked the last K-pop girl. I could see the last Chinese guy was pissed. Fuck him I didn't care because "Linda" was the most attractive girl there in my eyes and I wanted her. BIG MISTAKE. The second we got to the room things started going downhill. Her face was super attractive and decent be-cup boobs. But it was a charade. She took off her pants to reveal see-section scar and stretch marks. She wouldn't allow kissing, would barely let me touch her tits, covered BJ only, and kept complaining that little' Hector was too big. I've been told by many WGs that Hector is big, but not Congo-sized big. But she complained pretty much during the entire experience so I pounded her faster so I could just finish the deed and get out of there. Total dead fish. Damage was 3000. I quickly chalked it up as a lesson learned and promised myself I wouldn't go with a girl again just because she's pretty without first having some connection.

After that fiasco, I visited all the surrounding Soapies, did a walk through Soi 6 but didn't see anything to my linking. After dinner I headed back to Walking Street and visited several Go-gos. My take: Sapphire and Skyfall both have very attractive girls but Sapphire is a clear winner in my book. Tantra had cute young girls all with flat chests. Tantra was offering a free drink coupon at their sister club Eden but when I got there found Eden was a bait & switch and had to buy a drink to get one free. Eden did not even have a stage or dancing, just girls sitting on one end of room and immediately swarm guests. Crazy House and Windmill were by far the skankiest, nastiest, naughtiest clubs I've ever been to. At Crazy House, I watched a full-on lesbian show, most girls dancing topless, all average looking but you can finger bang them. An older girl at Crazy house, probably mid-30s kept following me around like a puppy dog. I made it clear I wasn't interested in even buying her a drink, but she would sit next to me and masturbate, asked me to finger her, but never even had to buy her a drink - this happened two nights in a row! At Windmill I watched a big English guy eating out a girl against the tub for quite a while (contrary to an earlier post, YES, I can confirm there is a big tub at Windmill in the back corner where girls were taking turns giving each other soapies under the rain shower). Also at windmill I watched a chubby girl with huge boobs give me a gynecological view of her pussy from 6 inches away and I could clearly see something wasn't right down there. Pretty sure she had genital warts. Gross. I hit a few other clubs, chatted with some of the beer bar girls but I was still jetlagged and tired and couldn't find anything to my liking so I started walking home.

About 2 blocks from Penthouse I saw the cutest petite girl standing in front of a closed bank. I asked here what she was doing there. "Waiting for you," she said with a coy smile. She had me at her cheesy line and I just had to have her. I nearly fainted when she told me her fee was 1000 baht because she was 100 x prettier than any girl I had seen in the GoGos that night. We walked back to Penthouse together, where she had to leave her ID at front desk but otherwise no issues. We get to my room and she was totally in awe especially at the "health swing" which I could never get any girl to try. Her name was Pim, 23 years old and she's a marketing student at a university 1 hour away and works as a freelancer on her off nights from class. She again fit Hector's preferences as a petitute brunette, firm natural be cup boobs and yet another perfect ass. She provided all services, BBBJ, DFK (Hector loves girls who full on kiss), DATY, MPOG). I gave her 1000 plus 200 tip which caught her by surprise. We traded phone numbers. I never called her again but I should have because she was my best bedroom experience of the trip, not to mention she was so adorably cute.

Day 3.

After another 10 am wakeup, I moved hotels to the Holiday Inn. This was the same price as Penthouse but about 100 x better. The hotel has 4 swimming pools, several bars and restaurants and is guest friendly (girls just leave ID at front desk but I never brought a girl here. Would have felt weird as it was very family friendly). I did some sightseeing again. The Big Buddha and Sanctuary of Truth are good cultural diversions if you're into seeing something other than pussy. After a great seafood lunch at one of the many stalls on Beach Road, I headed to the soapies again. Hector is a big fan of the soapies because it doesn't require bartering, making idle chit-chat with bar girls and buying overpriced beers and lady drinks. I checked out all the soapies in the golden triangle that is Sabai Dee, Honey 2, Sabai Room and Rasputin a bit further away. I eventually settled on Linda, 32, with huge DD fake rack in the second highest price tier. She is older than the girls I usually go for but we had a great chemistry, and after my fiasco at Sabai Dee, I went for chemistry over looks. It was a good call. Linda provided great service, kissing, BBBJ, the whole 9 yards. Total Damage 2,600 baht.

Later that evening I returned back to Walking Street to check out some live bands. I highly recommend the house band at Hot Tuna, those guys can jam! As I was walking around, I was grabbed by a cute young thang outside of Wildcats. She again fit Hector's favorite profile, petite tiny young brunette. She was so cute and she convinced me to go into Wildcats to buy her a drink. By this point it was 11:30 pm and she said barfine would drop from 1500 to 1000 at midnight. So I had a beer, bought her two lady drinks and watched her friends dance and chatted for a while. At exactly midnight I paid her reduced barfine price of 1000 and settled on her price of 2000. She changed clothes and we walked around the corner to a short time hotel. Her service was average at best. After we finished, I gave her 2000 and that's where things got ugly. She claimed she told me her price was 2,500, which was total utter bullshit. When I protested she said it was 2000 only if I had taken her before midnight. At this point I started doubting my memory through fog of drunkenness. But to avoid confrontation and just wanting to leave, I paid her. Total damage: 1000 barfine + 2500 girl + 320 room.

To make matters worse as I made my way back to my end of the beach, I got into a verbal shouting match with a Baht Bus driver. Halfway through my ride he kicked me off the bus, claiming that his Baht Bus had just become a 50 baht taxi with the 4 Indian passengers who boarded after me. WTF? I don't understand this as we were all going in the same general direction. I yelled a few choice words at the taxi driver before I composed myself, realizing he had Thai police on his side, I sheepishly got off the Baht Bus and stumbled one kilometer back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=Theo110;2220291]8/23.

It believe it was semi directly across from Saphire. Smaller place with very few customers and probably 20 girls dancing. I sat down and had a drink. Within a few minutes a very cute young looking Asian girl was sitting on my lap DFKing me. I bought a few rounds of drinks. Mamasan said 1000 bar fine and 5000 for long time. I said what about 1000 bar fine and 4000 long time. She said fine. I leave with the girl, she seems very genuinely excited and seemed to be very happy in her interactions saying goodbye to the other girls on the way out the door. We immediately leave and she says what do you want to do. I say we can do whatever and she says lets go to the Pier night club. I say sure, we go in and order drinks and hooka. This was really fun as she was like my girlfriend the entire night. We smoked several rounds of hooka, drinks, danced, DFK makeout session the entire night until it closed at 3 am. She was taking pictures, snap chats, and videos the entire night and sending to all her friends. She seemed really genuinely happy. Then we leave and she asks if I want to play pool..[/QUOTE]I have partied with some girls who have brought their friends, and I have heard some of the games they play. Some of these girls are just really young and forget that you are the customer. Especially if you are a laid back guy. It sounds to me like your girl was having a good time, but she was also probably playing you and hoping that she could get you very drunk and you would pay her but not have sex. I was with one girl, and we met up with her girlfriend. The girlfriend very young, and had a 60 year old guy with her. The girlfriend thought she could get the old guy very drunk so that he would not be able to get it up. She got the old guy to buy a bottle, and I she was pouring drinks like crazy. The old guy and I started talking, and he soon told me that he was on to her game. We closed the bar we were in, and then she wanted to go dancing at Marine, but the old guy was not having any of it. I got his Line and the next day I asked him how things went. He said that she was a cold fish in bed. I am sure that I had a girl do the same thing with me the first time I was with her.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221957]Woke up around 10 am, quick free breakfast at Penthouse where I saw the biggest rat in the world run into the hotel from the open front door and straight into the kitchen.[/QUOTE]I told you man. The rats are there to get the roaches and they have those cats there to take care of the rats. The idea of the place seems like a good idea, but staying at the actual place ain't such a good idea.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221957]There were 6 Chinese guys and 6 "K-pop" looking girls.[/QUOTE]I never stop being amazed at the many different looks of Thai chicks. They are hands down the most versatile women in the world. I call them chameleons. They fix themselves up according to the guy that they are going after. Like you said, the ones going for the Chinese have that K-pop look. The chicks that work the Arab bars fix themselves to the Arab look. The chicks going after the Black guys have a hip-hop look. And the most recent trend I have noticed around here is chicks walking around with red dots on their foreheads!

I always like to see a chick's Pattaya picture next to her back home on the farm picture. Less guys would be fooled by the glitz and would stop paying out tons of money if every chick dressed like they do back home on the farm.

The chick that is in my bed right now, free chick that I met on Tinder like a week and a half ago. I went and stayed in her room the first time, and after we fucked she got up to go get us food. Whatever she threw on made her look like a straight up tomboy. I was cracking up in my head. I kind of want to ask her to do it again.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221957]I quickly chalked it up as a lesson learned and promised myself I wouldn't go with a girl again just because she's pretty without first having some connection.[/QUOTE]How were you able to establish a connection with the next soapie girl that you took considering that is pretty much a grab and go environment?

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221957](contrary to an earlier post, YES, I can confirm there is a big tub at Windmill in the back corner where girls were taking turns giving each other soapies under the rain shower).[/QUOTE]I think the debate was whether there was a tub at Crazy House. Anybody that has ever been to Windmill should have no problem remembering the tub there.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221957]Also at windmill I watched a chubby girl with huge boobs give me a gynecological view of her pussy from 6 inches away and I could clearly see something wasn't right down there. Pretty sure she had genital warts. Gross.[/QUOTE]Pretty much blows the myth out of the water about guys prefering to take girls from bars/gogos because of health checks. Yeah, stay away from those nasty Beach Road chicks and only deal with the clean, disease-free chicks of the gogos.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221957]About 2 blocks from Penthouse I saw the cutest petite girl standing in front of a closed bank. I asked here what she was doing there. "Waiting for you," she said with a coy smile. She had me at her cheesy line and I just had to have her. I nearly fainted when she told me her fee was 1000 baht because she was 100 x prettier than any girl I had seen in the GoGos that night. I never called her again but I should have because she was my best bedroom experience of the trip, not to mention she was so adorably cute.[/QUOTE]A Beach Road girl was the best eh? Say it ain't so. You would have definitely fainted had you countered her introductory new guy rate of 1000 with 500 and she accepted. I got a chick for 500 baht the other day. She fucked me six ways to Sunday. I ended up giving her 700 damn baht after the job she did on me. I shouldn't have given her my number though. She sends pictures all day long and the other day I passed her on her motorbike and she turned around and tried to chase me down. I am going to end up blocking her.

I know it seems like a little to you, but 1000 baht is a lot of money around here. You can eat 20+ times with 1000 baht. (2 sticks of bbq + rice for 50 baht=20 meals; bowl of noodles for 30 baht=33 meals; 100 pieces of fried chicken for 10 baht each=50 meals)

Don't cheat yourself by thinking of what stuff costs back home. Everytime I get my motorbike worked on I think I am hearing the price wrong, because it is not only literally at least 10 times cheaper than back home, but 50 times faster too. Gotta wait 2 weeks back in the States. Here you only have to stand there 10 or 15 minutes and your shit is done.

Great reports. I am loving your experiences. Those baht bus drivers can indeed be assholes.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221960]Snip. To make matters worse as I made my way back to my end of the beach, I got into a verbal shouting match with a Baht Bus driver. Halfway through my ride he kicked me off the bus, claiming that his Baht Bus had just become a 50 baht taxi with the 4 Indian passengers who boarded after me. WTF? I don't understand this as we were all going in the same general direction. I yelled a few choice words at the taxi driver before I composed myself, realizing he had Thai police on his side, I sheepishly got off the Baht Bus and stumbled one kilometer back to my hotel.[/QUOTE]I was on a baht bus on 2nd road one afternoon. 3 or 4 South Asian guys stopped the baht bus, talked to the driver, and got on. At Soi Honey, the baht bus turned right and pulled into Honey Massage parlor. The South Asians got out and entered the parlor. After a few minutes, the driver told me that I needed to take another baht bus, so I got out but didn't pay him (he didn't seem to expect it either). Obviously he was waiting for his commission for bringing them there. I think that what happened to you was probably the same: the Indians commandeered the bus to take them to a massage parlor, where he could get a commission, which is why the driver kicked you off his bus. However, why did you just not take another baht bus instead of walking a kilometer back to your hotel?

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221957]
Woke up around 10 am, quick free breakfast at Penthouse where I saw the biggest rat in the world run into the hotel from the open front door and straight into the kitchen. [/QUOTE]Must have been the rat from the movie Ratatouille, wanting to learn how to cook Thai. Maybe he prepared your breakfast LOL.

[QUOTE=DCups;2221398]I'm a boob guy and Emily's looks bigger so I'm going with Emily.[/QUOTE]But does Emily the supermodel play with you? Probably not. Better to stick with big tits Thai bar girls.

Day 4.

Most of my day was spent on a day trip to the nearby island. This was my lazy day which I thoroughly enjoyed. After getting back to my hotel about 7 pm, took a quick shower, dinner then strolled to Soi 6. Everyday I've been searching for some of my favorite Soi 6 Facebook girls but I could never find them. Tonight was my lucky night. Standing outside of Butterfly Bar was one of the girls I thought was the Soi 6 group girls, holding a bar sign. Her name is Nam (photo below) was initially shy and quiet but immediately lit up when I asked her if she would like to come inside for a drink. She laughed when I told her she was famous on Facebook, and felt I already knew her from her many photos on the Butterfly FB page. She was medium height, long straight hair, be-cup firm young boobs and peach bum perfect ass, 22 years old. She had more tattoos than I normally like but they were attractive. She quickly agreed to go to the room with me, where she gave a grade-A performance including BBBJ, DATY, MPOG. I forgot to ask if she provided COF or CIM. The one turn-off was after we finished and were getting dressed she randomly pulls out her cell phone to show me photos of her son, so I pretended like I gave a shit. At least she waited until we were finished. But honestly her body was super tight I had no idea she was a mom. Total damage 1300 + 400 room.

After dinner I headed back to the soapies and went back and forth between Sabai Dee and Honey 2, so many times that the staff recognized and laughed at me as did some of the girls. Around 8 pm, Honey 2 was becoming Little India, tons of Indian guys in there but most were sitting shyly in the back of the room sipping overpriced beers and not taking girls. I was speaking to one of the papasans and asked him the price range. The took me aside and whispered "so the Indians don't hear this", reaches into his jacket pocket and pulls out two separate price lists that show Indians pay about 500 baht more than Westerners for each price range. He said Indians are charged more because they generally waste staff time as "looky-loos", come in everyday for several hours just to stare at the girls and nurse a beer, until their last day in Thailand when they finally decide to take a girl, and even then will attempt to barter down to the baht. Interesting. I forgot to ask him about the Chinese but another mamasan had told me it was because that's what they will pay without batting an eyelash.

So tonight I was in the mood for something different. I settled on Fa, a voluptuous girl with humungous F-cup melon-sized boobs. She was actually my second choice; the first girl I was eyeing was snatched before I could make a move -- by an Indian guy no less! Good for you, mate. Good for you. My girl Fa was cute, although she could stand to lose 20 pounds ("I love beer to much" she told me as she rubbed her round belly) but she was still super cute, trimmed Bush and bubbly personality. She didn't kiss but she gave a great soapie with her huge boobs in my face, good BJ, MPOG and terrific all-around attitude. She let me cum on her amazing tits too. It was a nice way to end as my final girl in Pattaya. Total damage 2000.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2222200]Day 4.

Most of my day was spent on a day trip to the nearby island. This was my lazy day which I thoroughly enjoyed. After getting back to my hotel about 7 pm, took a quick shower, dinner then strolled to Soi 6. Everyday I've been searching for some of my favorite Soi 6 Facebook girls but I could never find them. Tonight was my lucky night. Standing outside of Butterfly Bar was one of the girls I thought was the Soi 6 group girls, holding a bar sign. Her name is Nam (photo below) was initially shy and quiet but immediately lit up when I asked her if she would like to come inside for a drink. She laughed when I told her she was famous on Facebook, and felt I already knew her from her many photos on the Butterfly FB page. She was medium height, long straight hair, be-cup firm young boobs and peach bum perfect ass, 22 years old. She had more tattoos than I normally like but they were attractive. She quickly agreed to go to the room with me, where she gave a grade-A performance including BBBJ, DATY, MPOG. I forgot to ask if she provided COF or CIM. The one turn-off was after we finished and were getting dressed she randomly pulls out her cell phone to show me photos of her son, so I pretended like I gave a shit. At least she waited until we were finished. But honestly her body was super tight I had no idea she was a mom. Total damage 1300 + 400 room.

After dinner I headed back to the soapies and went back and forth between Sabai Dee and Honey 2, so many times that the staff recognized and laughed at me as did some of the girls. Around 8 pm, Honey 2 was becoming Little India, tons of Indian guys in there but most were sitting shyly in the back of the room sipping overpriced beers and not taking girls. I was speaking to one of the papasans and asked him the price range. The took me aside and whispered "so the Indians don't hear this", reaches into his jacket pocket and pulls out two separate price lists that show Indians pay about 500 baht more than Westerners for each price range. He said Indians are charged more because they generally waste staff time as "looky-loos", come in everyday for several hours just to stare at the girls and nurse a beer, until their last day in Thailand when they finally decide to take a girl, and even then will attempt to barter down to the baht. Interesting. I forgot to ask him about the Chinese but another mamasan had told me it was because that's what they will pay without batting an eyelash.

So tonight I was in the mood for something different. I settled on Fa, a voluptuous girl with humungous F-cup melon-sized boobs. She was actually my second choice; the first girl I was eyeing was snatched before I could make a move -- by an Indian guy no less! Good for you, mate. Good for you. My girl Fa was cute, although she could stand to lose 20 pounds ("I love beer to much" she told me as she rubbed her round belly) but she was still super cute, trimmed Bush and bubbly personality. She didn't kiss but she gave a great soapie with her huge boobs in my face, good BJ, MPOG and terrific all-around attitude. She let me cum on her amazing tits too. It was a nice way to end as my final girl in Pattaya. Total damage 2000.[/QUOTE]Hi Hector.

Loved your reports and you got my juices flowing for my next trip. I think a lot of first timers should take note of how you have planned your trip. I don't recall you asking questions where the answers can be found on google and you researched your preferred targets. Like most of us here mongering is my hobby and I live by the quote " nobody plans to fail, people fail to plan".

All the best.

Rob.

Yesterday, my first day in Pattaya, I found a gem on Beach Road across from the famous Mr. 99 restaurant. Her name is Ning and apparently she has only been in town for a few weeks. The crazy thing is that it was only 4 pm in the afternoon and the girl was already out trying to find someone to fuck her. I asked her why is she out so early? She mentioned that some nights it would rain, so it's better to work during the day, than get shut out of customers completely at night if it starts to rain. When I first saw her standing outside, I noticed Ning had a cute face and light skinned but unsure of how her body would be underneath her skimpy shorts and t shirt. But later I found out with clothes off, that her body was very sexy, with a flat stomach, nice round ass and big firm enhanced tits. I bought her and I a coconut to drink and we talked a bit about price. She wanted 1000 for 2 hours short time, and 3000 for 24 hours if I took her now. She told me that if this was at night, she would have accepted 1500 for long time, but only until the next morning. Shots would be unlimited as long as I was able to get hard and can cum. She told me she recently had a customer that she stayed with a whole day and while he only fucked her 4 times in 24 hours, he made her suck his dick like every 3-4 hours, every where they went. He wasn't able to cum all the time, so she had to stop trying. Anyways, it was barely 4 pm, and I can't do long time with any girl, sleep with them or stand a girl for 24 hours, so it was all a moot point. I took the 1000 baht for 2 hours offer and off went back to my condo.

In my room, we took a nice long shower together where she fell to her knees and gave my cock a good sucking for about 10 minutes. She then bent her ass over in the shower, reached from underneath her pussy and started to play with my dick by rubbing it against her clit, while giving me a hand job. It felt so good that I was that close to sticking my cock inside of her and going at it bare. I resisted and told her we can finish up on the bed. I carried her sexy small body to the bed and spread her legs wide for some DATY to which she was very loud and vocal. She kept squirming and lifting her ass up to basically force my tongue inside her pussy. I managed to eat her out for a good 30 minutes until my cock was ready for more attention. She then started another BBBJ with lots of spit, gagging, and deep throat action. Within a few minutes of that, I shot a big ass load of cum down her throat and she ate every drop. Now I see why her previous customer wanted her to suck his dick constantly. Ning thoroughly enjoys having random cocks in her mouth and likes the taste of unrefined organic jizz. I went to the shower to clean up a bit and when I returned to the bedroom, she had her legs wide open, while finger fucking her bare pussy. She asked me if I can get hard again to fuck her. I told her I needed help and then she started to suck my cock while in doggy position with me standing on the floor and her in the bed. 10 minutes later my dick was hard as rock with that jelly still in my system.

We fucked for the next 45 minutes or so in all sorts of positions. The girl likes to scream and enjoys having fingers in her mouth or hand muffle her loudness. Ning also does a lot of DFK and randomly starts to suck your dick in between position changes. She was an awesome reverse cow girl dick rider. In that position and in doggy, you can see the grip her pussy had while it was being stretched. This reminded me of some of the porn I used to watch. You can see from this angle her juices dripping onto my dick as I slid in and out of that bare smooth pussy. I was able to finish up in doggy and shot my second load of cum on her asshole as I split open her cheeks. Speaking of ass, I think she does anal from the way her hole opened up during doggy, but didn't ask. Surprisingly, she didn't get mad at all with my cum dripping in her ass. After we finished up, she gave me a DFK and tipped her 100 baht extra for taxi. Because I spoke a little Thai, she gave me her personal LINE account, not the one she uses for work. I guess she wanted to hang out, but of course, I don't do the whole holiday girlfriend thing with any of these girls. She did mentioned if I wanted to see her again, she's works the same spot I originally met her at night, usually around 8 pm and onwards. I'm thinking that she may also do the 1 hour short time or blow job for 500 baht. That's easy money for her. Reason being is that her dick sucking skills are one of the bests I've come across in Thailand. It took her only maybe 5 minutes for her to make me to cum down her throat. I normally take 15-20 minutes with my eyes closed, ass clinched, and fantasizing in my mind to cum with a BJ. Ning is that good. Also after fucking her, walk across to Mr. 99, and try their rock lobster in white wine sauce. Yummy.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2222125]But does Emily the supermodel play with you? Probably not. Better to stick with big tits Thai bar girls.[/QUOTE]Well they will all play for the right price, Porn Addict, but you are right to stick it in the big tits Thai bar girls for less. Cheers and thanks for the great photo, mate.

Walked into Honey 2 (North Pattaya) around 11 pm. Lots of Indians and Chinese punters inside, and lots of chicks in the fishbowl.

It was my intention to pick a chick from the lowest price category, but after looking at these lower priced chicks they all looked too skanky to me. I wouldn't even give them a second look if they were standing on Beach Road.

So for the record here are the price quotes (I am Caucasian).

Blue badge 2000 baht.

Brown badge 2600 baht.

Red badge 3200 baht ("V" category. V for VIP I think).

There was even a higher category, Pink badge, called "O" that were 4000 baht, but when I asked the staff to point them out, they had already been taken.

Most of the V category looked reasonably doable.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2222374]Yesterday, my first day in Pattaya, I found a gem on Beach Road across from the famous Mr. 99 restaurant. Her name ...[/QUOTE]She is a cutie! And reminded me of a girl I picked up on Beach road with the same name, but different girl. I have picked up girls on beach road at all time of the day and night, but generally, the picking is slim during the day.

[QUOTE=Franga;2222638]Walked into Honey 2 (North Pattaya) around 11 pm. Lots of Indians and Chinese punters inside, and lots of chicks in the fishbowl.

It was my intention to pick a chick from the lowest price category, but after looking at these lower priced chicks they all looked too skanky to me. I wouldn't even give them a second look if they were standing on Beach Road.

So for the record here are the price quotes (I am Caucasian).

Blue badge 2000 baht.

Brown badge 2600 baht.

Red badge 3200 baht ("V" category. V for VIP I think).

There was even a higher category, Pink badge, called "O" that were 4000 baht, but when I asked the staff to point them out, they had already been taken.

Most of the V category looked reasonably doable.[/QUOTE]The prices are correct, but are you sure you have badge colors correct? I was there last night about 7 PM and the reds badges were 2000, the blue M numbers were 2600, the deeper blue / purple V badges were 3200, and the one S yellow badge was 4000. I did not see any pink, O badges. Prices seem to have gone up since about a week to 10 days ago the M badges were 2500 and the V badges were 3000.

Also went to Sabai Dee and Sabai Room. Sabai Dee had one customer and Sabai Room had no customers when I walked in, compared to the packed with Indians (and some East Asians) Honey 2. Honey 2 also had maybe twice as many girls as both Sabai Dee and Sabai Room combined. A few days earlier had gone to Rasputin, Honey, and PP Massage; Rasputin a couple of customers and maybe 20 ladies; Honey and PP packed with Indians and at least 50 girls each. Seems the only ones doing any business are the Indian oriented ones. Hard to see how the other parlors and the girls there are making any money and can survive.

This is from my last trip around 6 months ago. I love Thai girls and their service is A class but it doesn't hurt to have some variety especially when they know English. On one of the days I picked up an African WG from the beach road area (she was roaming between the two big beer gardens). I also spent some time at the Russian clubs but didn't take anyone home (am not an Arab sheikh as these girls costed around 10 K Baht for ST). However in the Nasha club I saw a bunch of Ukranian girls who were quoting around 5 k-10 k for the WHOLE NIGHT which is a very good deal in my opinion considering we can shave off a thousand Baht or so while negotiating. However I didn't try as I am more of a ST guy and had already done the deed for the day. But damn that's a competitive aggressive price.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2222806]The prices are correct, but are you sure you have badge colors correct?
Honey and PP packed with Indians and at least 50 girls each.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right about the badge colors. I completely cocked them all up as I was relying on memory, and getting confused with the Sabai Dee colors.

And I think you are right about the 4000 baht tier. The staff member indicated that there was only one. I wouldn't mind getting a look at her one day and seeing what equipment she has that places her above all the other girls.

Yes, I have noticed that Honey 2 is swarming with Indian guys. It's very popular compared with Sabai Dee and Sabai Room, which are the only other two places that I have checked out.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2218817]There's also a shop with very hot girls that I get my pedicure and manicure from on Second Road near Soi 7-8. The girls there will suck or fuck upstairs when they get tipped 500 baht or more. You still have to pay for them doing your nails separately.[/QUOTE]Tried to find the shop. Saw only a lot of massage parlors waking from Central passing soi 8th and 7. No uniforms like the ones on your photo.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2222200]Day 4.

Most of my day was spent on a day trip to the nearby island. This was my lazy day which I thoroughly enjoyed. After getting back to my hotel about 7 pm, took a quick shower, dinner then strolled to Soi 6. Everyday I've been searching for some of my favorite Soi 6 Facebook girls but I could never find them. Tonight was my lucky night. Standing outside of Butterfly Bar was one of the girls I thought was the Soi 6 group girls, holding a bar sign. Her name is Nam (photo below) was initially shy and quiet but immediately lit up when I asked her if she would like to come inside for a drink. She laughed when I told her she was famous on Facebook, and felt I already knew her from her many photos on the Butterfly FB page. [/QUOTE]Thanks for pic. I can see why she is famous. Very cute.

I think MP's girl Ning also has a very cute face, but boobs look a bit over done.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2222783]She is a cutie! And reminded me of a girl I picked up on Beach road with the same name, but different girl. I have picked up girls on beach road at all time of the day and night, but generally, the picking is slim during the day.[/QUOTE]Last night, Thursday, I was heading back to condo from Walking Street when it started sprinkling rain. I saw another cute Beach Road girl standing under the canopy near the McDonald's next to the start of Walking Street across from the tall red rocket ship statue. I told her she better go home because I saw lightning coming this way. She told me that she can't because her roommate had a customer in their shared apartment. I felt bad and asked if she wanted come back to my place that wait it out and get out of the rain. She said okay and off we went to my room. Once inside my condo, it started to really pour down rain. She was hungry, so I made her a ramen spread from a recipe I learned while time spent in prison. I used ramen noodles, chili, cheese, and Cheetos, mixed it all together and topped it of with some salsa. She was hungry and ate it like it was her last meal of Earth. Then she hopped on my bed and started to play with my teddy bear. I had just finished a short time PSE fuck with a agency model (first pic) from Farenheit around 11 pm, which cost me 6,000 baht (2,000 BF + 3000ST and drinks), so I wasn't in the mood to spend much more cash. But looking at that girl's ass from behind, my dick then got hard. I pulled off her shorts and had her suck my dick. I proceeded to fuck the shit out of her tiny body for the next hour. When I came, I pulled off the condom and shot on her ass while doing her doggy. Not sure why I'm beginning to like that so much of late. By 3 am, the rain had stopped and I let her go. I asked her how much she wanted and to my surprise, she only asked for 500 baht. I gave her 600 and went to sleep happy and drained. She told me she works every night near McDonald's next to The Kitchen in case I wanted to see her again. So yes, there are some decent cute cheap girls on Beach Road. Honestly, she looked better than all the girls I saw at Windmill earlier. I went there for the first time to chill. Not walk in and out like I did with Banana Boi. The do have a 10 shots of B52's for 1000 baht special that I took advantage of hoping me being drunk would make the girls at Windmill look more appealing. However, it didn't work. The look of many of those girls at Windmill will even make onions cry.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2222200] Standing outside of Butterfly Bar was one of the girls I thought was the Soi 6 group girls, holding a bar sign. Her name is Nam (photo below) was initially shy and quiet but immediately lit up when I asked her if she would like to come inside for a drink. She laughed when I told her she was famous on Facebook, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2223526]Thanks for pic. I can see why she is famous. Very cute.[/QUOTE]I think Nam is pretty. She definitely seems friendly. I haven't had a session with her since I already have 2 regulars at Butterfly Bar. Good choice.

Syz, she's not that popular. He means she's famous since you can easil find photos of her on Facebook, like many of the Soi 6 girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2223526]I think MP's girl Ning also has a very cute face, but boobs look a bit over done.[/QUOTE]I like Ning's look too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2223544]I think Nam is pretty. She definitely seems friendly. I haven't had a session with her since I already have 2 regulars at Butterfly Bar. Good choice.

Syz, she's not that popular. He means she's famous since you can easil find photos of her on Facebook, like many of the Soi 6 girls.
[/QUOTE]Actually I don't use Facebook. One day I might just be forced to give in, not sure. I am not keen on the "social" concept really. Being anonymous seems better.

You must be psychic then since that does not seem to fit the meaning of famous. LOL he seemed to indicate her session was good so would be hard to guess why not popular. Tits too small? Would not bother me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2223544]I like Ning's look too.[/QUOTE]It's been raining at night in Pattaya, so I've been meeting her up daytime. Ning reminds me of Fha at Palace. They both have same type of body and cute face. But at least she doesn't cost 8,000 like Fha.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2223679]Actually I don't use Facebook. One day I might just be forced to give in, not sure. I am not keen on the "social" concept really. Being anonymous seems better.[/QUOTE]You don't actually have to add any friends to Facebook and primarily use it as a search engine for photos of gogo girls and soi 6 girls by just searching the bar name. You will remain anonymous to all except Facebook itself. Not sure if your Bangkok bars use Facebook as I've never searched for any but it's a great source in pattaya for many photos.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2224186]You don't actually have to add any friends to Facebook and primarily use it as a search engine for photos of gogo girls and soi 6 girls by just searching the bar name. You will remain anonymous to all except Facebook itself. Not sure if your Bangkok bars use Facebook as I've never searched for any but it's a great source in pattaya for many photos.[/QUOTE]It is still possible to create a dedicated ID on FB, giving the ability to separate contacts from your normal fb.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2224203]It is still possible to create a dedicated ID on FB, giving the ability to separate contacts from your normal fb.[/QUOTE]It is, but given the amount of data Facebook collects (including from other websites you visit), don't expect to stay truly anonymous.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2224296]It is, but given the amount of data Facebook collects (including from other websites you visit), don't expect to stay truly anonymous.[/QUOTE]I had the misfortune of using Cupid sites, Tinder etc on my regular phone for one trip. Even after deleting all apps, caches, and chats, I still received FB auto generated Friend Recommendations for girls I had matched or chated with well after I returned home. I'm assuming some also received recommendations to beFriend me too.

Moral of the story: never use FB on the phone you are contacting girls with. I have one phone for my personal life and another for my mongering. I NEVER share gmail addresses, contact lists or App accounts between the two.

As a seasoned Pattaya mongerer, I have learned that for cheap sex, one should go to Soi 6, and for entertainment, one should go to Walking Street. Rarely do I ever go to LK Metro. But when I heard there was a new club opening last Saturday, I couldn't miss the opportunity.

My definition of a good Go-Go bar is that there needs to be.

1. Copious Amounts of Gratuitous Nudity.

2. Sexual Chemistry / Funness of the Girls.

That is the reason why I HATE the majority of clubs on Walking Street: many clubs, once you enter, you pay for an overly priced drink only to watch clothed girls sadly line dance in front of a mirror. The only worthy clubs on Walking Street are:

1. Heaven Above Pattaya, where there are always naked girls playing around.

2. Windmill A GoGo, 2 Floors with panty-less miniskirt girls, shower shows, pairs of naked girls that sometime play around (or strangely, cut their nails and give each other manicures).

Now, Kink offers something entirely different. The first floor is your standard go-go bar with some nudity. But, on the second floor, there are eight very fun, very friendly naked girls who play around in a central pen. And these girls extremely enjoy their job. For just a single lady drink (around 150 bhat), I have seen these girls.

1. While naked, straddle your lap and ride you.

2. Let you eat them out on the coach or right above the pen (There is a ton of pussy eating on the second floor of Kink. In fact, I have seen one guy pay for two drinks, and one girl ate the pussy of the other).

3. Allow you to smack them in the ass, as hard as you can with a foam tube.

But what was really amazing is that at the start of every hour, the pen, which is actually an elevator, lowers into the first floor. And all 8 girls have a full on lesbian orgy, from intertwined tongues to massive tongue to pussy daisy chains. And what most impressed me was that, from their faces, they were sincerely aroused and enthusiastic. It's one of the best things I've seen in all of Pattaya. It's no surprise that the owner (Wally) and the manager (David) are themselves foreigners because only a fellow monger can think of a place so fresh, fun, and exciting.

The only two concerns I have about this club is 1) how long they can maintain such enthusiasm 2) The price of short time and long time. The bar fine for 7 pm until Midnight is 1500 bht and the barfine after midnight is 1000 bht. But one of the girls quoted me an additional 3000 bht for short time, which is pretty steep. Of course, with each of these girls, YMMV, and she was the cutest tomboy from the second floor. But I think one should go to Kink more for the show than for the sex.

Thank you Wally and David for bringing such an innovative club to Pattaya! As soon as they send me photos, I will upload them here.

I was hanging out with a really cute girl from Where's Angels Play with A Harley Quinn Tattoo on one leg and a joker tattoo on the other (Suicide Squad). But because of a bug in the Photo Vault App, I lost all my photos. If anyone here can get pictures (especially of that tattoo), I would be super grateful and consider you a literal God. In fact, if you even just go up and ask to take a picture of her leg tattoo, she will say yes.

With my last trip in the beggining of the decade, I was curious about what changes could I expect to find, everybody gives their opinion, but our own has always a special meaning.

It was just a few days, and I plan to do the same report in Bangkok.

Generally Pattaya seemed the same old place, a very lively city, a unique experience.

In the last years, it seems the place has grown larger, I found much more shops specially in the boundaries of the city.

Also the number of families and couples around continued to grow, sooner or later Walking Street will be just a show people come to watch taking pictures, and the mongers will be part of the show, like in a Circus, I had that feeling specially with the Japanese and Chinese tourists.

Perhaps its the time of the year, but specially with the massage joints, I saw a very growing number of them, but almost no clients, it made me some kind of confusion, how can that places be open?

Around 7 pm I had a foot massage on 2nd road, there were more that 10 women working there, but duroing the full hour nobody entered ther place, its a mistery.

In terms of mongering, and despite it was just a few days, I will divide by areas.

Beach Road. I witnessed dozen of discussions about if there were or not some hidden gems, but in my walks in the afternoon, 9 pm and 11 pm, I saw a very low quality, almost no one was doable in my opinion, perhaps some years ago was a little better, perhaps I was unlucky, but its a forgettable thing.

Soi 7 and 8 seemed worst, less bars, less girls (specially on one of them, but I don't recall).

Soi 6 saw the upgrade of my visit, it seems there was a refill of young girls, not pretty most of them, but since many are under 25, when I walked I saw a considerable number of girls I might choose in a future visit. In the past soi 6 seemed almost like beach road, but people should take for now a second look.

Go Go Bars. I like full nudity, and in the past it was an abundant situation, I just went to two this Time, Happy-A-Go Go, where there were some topless, but no nudity, even in the special shows, some girls were very attractive, but despite the fact I am a millionnaire for a short period, I will feel cheated if I go pay the current asking prices for Top Go Go Girls.

The other Go Go was a huge disappointement, Silver Star, a favorite of mine on Walking street, but it has vanished and I went to Soi 7, and it was very bad, some girls in Jacuzzi, but terribly bad looking, I stayed for less than 5 minutes.

I might return to Pattaya this trip, and at the time I hope I will be bettter informed about the full nude A Go Go, with minimum quality.

Massage Parlors. I went to Dream Teen Massage, which is the most famous oil massage here, in the album they have some interesting girls, but when I arrived, between working, and absence none were available.

Sudenly some clients entered the store, and tey asked all the girls for a line up. But they were just 4, and not acceptable, I left and went to PP Massage where in the past I had a girl many would consider between 8 and 9.

It was around 6. 30 pm, and not too many girls, several of them waived and smiled, prices at 2000 Red Badge and 2500 Blue Badge, to the right 2 girls in a sideline for 3000, one of the was the best in the room, but seemed truly bored, because it wasn't such a big difference I went for a blue badge girl. A young girl from Chiang Mai, very nice, and took a long time in the bath and the matress, unlike some of their counterparts that rush the process. The only minus was she had a A- cup, sometimes I wonder if its better to have a boob job or very little boobs, I think sooner or later she will invest some money on herself.

But I just can say well about her service.

I hope to have one more report during this trip.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2224419]I had the misfortune of using Cupid sites, Tinder etc on my regular phone for one trip. Even after deleting all apps, caches, and chats, I still received FB auto generated Friend Recommendations for girls I had matched or chated with well after I returned home. I'm assuming some also received recommendations to beFriend me too.[/QUOTE]That has nothing to do with the Cupid. That is more to do with you having the person's phone number or whatsapp and facebook matching it up to the phone number in their profile, sending the friend recommendation from that.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2224449]Perhaps its the time of the year, but specially with the massage joints, I saw a very growing number of them, but almost no clients, it made me some kind of confusion, how can that places be open?

Around 7 pm I had a foot massage on 2nd road, there were more that 10 women working there, but duroing the full hour nobody entered ther place, its a mistery.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is a monkey see monkey do city. When I first started coming there were like 2 tattoo shops in town. Now there are customerless tattoo places on every corner. (I had a friend that opened one in an obscure location on Kopai. Needless to say that it is now closed.) The other new trend now is those coffee stands. Those have popped up everywhere in the last few months. One person had the idea, and everyone wants to run to cash in on it, which pretty much means that either noone or only a select few actually will.

Other than the massage parlors, the shit that kills me is when someone wants to open up a bar. 8000 bars in Pattaya and a blind man can see that 95% of them are not making any money. What is going to make yours so special to draw people? I know a chick that opened up a bar on Soi Lengkee. (Of course some poor foreign sap that obviously knows nothing about business funded the place.) Everytime I passed I never saw 1 customer in it. I mean, who even goes to the Third Road end of Soi Lengkee to go to a bar? It finally closed down and Retox and Bronx Pizza are in the spot now.

Another thing that tickles me. There is a lady on my soi with a shed that I bring my clothes to for repair. A couple of weeks ago I saw her out about 100 meters from the old spot having a new shed built. So I thought maybe she moved the location. I wave at her and keep riding. I pass the old spot and she still has that location too, with another lady working in it. I just shrugged my shoulders. I guess it is beyond my understanding. You figure someone would open a second location across town somewhere, but I guess not.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2224490]Pattaya is a monkey see monkey do city. When I first started coming there were like 2 tattoo shops in town. Now there are customerless tattoo places on every corner. (I had a friend that opened one in an obscure location on Kopai. Needless to say that it is now closed.) The other new trend now is those coffee stands. Those have popped up everywhere in the last few months. One person had the idea, and everyone wants to run to cash in on it, which pretty much means that either noone or only a select few actually will.

Other than the massage parlors, the shit that kills me is when someone wants to open up a bar. 8000 bars in Pattaya and a blind man can see that 95% of them are not making any money. What is going to make yours so special to draw people? I know a chick that opened up a bar on Soi Lengkee. (Of course some poor foreign sap that obviously knows nothing about business funded the place.) Everytime I passed I never saw 1 customer in it. I mean, who even goes to the Third Road end of Soi Lengkee to go to a bar? It finally closed down and Retox and Bronx Pizza are in the spot now.

Another thing that tickles me. There is a lady on my soi with a shed that I bring my clothes to for repair. A couple of weeks ago I saw her out about 100 meters from the old spot having a new shed built. So I thought maybe she moved the location. I wave at her and keep riding. I pass the old spot and she still has that location too, with another lady working in it. I just shrugged my shoulders. I guess it is beyond my understanding. You figure someone would open a second location across town somewhere, but I guess not.[/QUOTE]Mr E I will add to your observation and say it's an Asian thing because I seen similar in Indonesia too. One night there will be a dude BBQing corn on the side of the road, the next night 2 and the 3rd night 6. They can do unimaginative that none of them will cross the road for the opposite traffic LOL.

The thing I always wondered about is the bar girls on soi 6. There is no way all of them are getting customers. There are hundreds of them and cannot be enough customers.

I was at a bar in Phuket yesterday and counted 8 women and 3 customers. All 3 of us left alone. Those girls must go weeks or longer before getting barfined. And not to be cruel, but why would anyone bar fine a few, I don't know. Do some girls just not make money?

I met 1 women who was trying to get me to barfine her friend. Her friend was new there, 2 weeks, did not speak any english, was 28, kind of stocky looking,. The woman trying to get me to barfine her said she hadn't had any customers since being there and never had a farang.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2224490]Pattaya is a monkey see monkey do city....
Other than the massage parlors, the shit that kills me is when someone wants to open up a bar. 8000 bars in Pattaya and a blind man can see that 95% of them are not making any money. What is going to make yours so special to draw people? I know a chick that opened up a bar on Soi Lengkee. (Of course some poor foreign sap that obviously knows nothing about business funded the place.) Everytime I passed I never saw 1 customer in it. I mean, who even goes to the Third Road end of Soi Lengkee to go to a bar? It finally closed down and Retox and Bronx Pizza are in the spot now.

.[/QUOTE]

Heavy rain the past few nights has put a damper on my current stay in Pattaya. Lucky for me however, is that I still have 2 weeks to play around. Now since, I stay next to Centara Azure and not on Walking Street, I'm not as eager to go play with the WS girls due to the rain. I have been reluctant to grab a WS go go bar girl because the few I have taken short time end up staying a couple hours late after we've done fucking because of rain. Then they want to do some crazy ass shit like cuddle, get fucked again, suck my dick again, or something to eat other than cock. Then I have to cook and feed them instead of getting to go to sleep. I like sleep. Also, I've been avoiding WS the last couple nights because Monkeypaw doesn't like getting his feet wet and refuses to use those dirty short time rooms with cum stained sheets. Rain rain go away. Please come back another day. Besides, all my cute sex toys, games, and restraints are in my condo anyways. Speaking of, I have with me on this trip some Pop Rocks candy. They have carbonation in them and fizzle, snap, crackle, and pop when wet. I like to take a mouthful of these candies while I partake in some DATY on a nice clean shaven pussy belonging to a very hot girl. The way they squirm when the candy pops inside of them is magical. I don't do this to all, just like don't DATY any and every girl. That's nasty. So with the rain, these past couple of nights were a good time to check out LK Metro, since it's only a 1 minute walk from my condo. Keep in mind this is my first LK visit in over a year. Now here is my most recent updated take on LK. The bars and clubs there are still cheaper pricing in drinks and the furnishings are nicer than Walking Street Clubs, but the girls are still not. There are far fewer girls at LK that I would have taken than on WS. I visited 7 clubs and saw maybe 5 girls out of 200 that I "maybe" would fine and fuck and pay. The key word is "pay. " I still suggest doing your own recon when it comes to LK. There are always a few gems hidden.

Ninja: Still tops regarding girls, but it's still predominantly Japanese. It's a Japanese holiday, so expect them in large hoards. I sat next to a few and they got upset when I asked them why they look like they were wearing make up. Seriously, I could have sworn they mascara on. Anyways girls at Ninja still prefer Asian clients, but money talks at that place. I chatted with model there and will probably barfine her another day on this trip. I promised her I would come back and grab her. She promised me that she was willing and able to fuck 1.5 hour straight, no breaks. I like marathon girls like that.

Champagne: Amazingly, the awful stink is finally gone and interior and stage looked renovated. There used to be this sewage smell similar to Peppermint as you walked in. It's gone now. Yay! It was 8:30 and the club had about 45-50 girls including models. That's the most I've seen there ever. However, I counted only 1 or 2, I would have paid to be taken and maybe 10, I would have let sucked my dick for free. But the free pizza all night on Tuesday and Thursday is nice if you are broke and hungry like me. But be careful on that cheese before trying to fuck. That's stuff is dangerous and possible "sharts" can ruin the night while fucking.

Kink: New club just 5 days old with 2 floors, and lots of girls. A few I recognized from Baccara. They have this stage that goes up and down from floor 1 to floor 2 when they have the lesbian shows. There were a couple of models getting into it and I saw tongues actually touched nipples and pussy, not just close calls. It's worth checking out. A handful of cute girls in there. As I was leaving, a few said "Hi" to me and asked me why am I not making it rain 20's. Apparently they recognized me from Walking Street. I just smiled and said that was my twin, not me.

Dolls LK, Showgirls, Queen and Bachelor:

Didn't like anything there. Queen is the better of this lot, but the girls there were too dark skinned and their asses to big for my taste. Some guys like that. I like small round non saggy asses. Square ones turn me off.

So with the heavy rains and all. I decided to play around some more on Thai Friendly and got some decent hits. Somebody had asked me once, what to say or put in their profile when contacting girls. I suggest be real and say you are looking for a holiday girlfriend. Tell them how much you are willing to spend and for how long. No dicking around and get straight to the point. Just make sure the TF profile does not have any creepy ass pictures of yourself. Even if one has to use 30 year old photos from high school, then do it. The goal is to get the girl to agree to meet you and hopefully money will change her mind about any reservations on the customer's looks. It's called a reverse bait and switch. Hookers, escorts, call girls do the bait and switch shit all the time to us. So payback is deserved. So with dating apps like Thai Friendly, don't be afraid to photoshop 20-30 lbs off your photos and add a 6 pack in their as well. Get them to come that's the first and only step needed.

Now keep in mind your mileage may vary but I was able to get full service 2 hours with BBBJ, CIM to finish for 1000-1500 baht total with these girls. Their bodies were all petite, no visible baby damage. I'm big on that stuff. It turns me off. I did not partake in DATY, DFK, or ass play but sure it was on the menu and allowed. Since I'm one and done with these girls, I am going to post my leftovers for sharing because I am in a Monkeypaw caring type mood.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2224498]Mr E I will add to your observation and say it's an Asian thing because I seen similar in Indonesia too. One night there will be a dude BBQing corn on the side of the road, the next night 2 and the 3rd night 6. They can do unimaginative that none of them will cross the road for the opposite traffic LOL.[/QUOTE]I guess the same can be said for FamilyMart /7-11.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2224483]That has nothing to do with the Cupid. That is more to do with you having the person's phone number or whatsapp and facebook matching it up to the phone number in their profile, sending the friend recommendation from that.[/QUOTE]Thanks. That was my point.

I've got no beef with the Match Making apps and am a regular user. However, FB sucks in vast amounts of data from your phone regardless of if it's open at the time or not and uses this to send sometimes unwanted targeted advertising, Friend suggestions etc. I'm assuming it also does the same for third parties and can, unknown to you, recommend your account to people you may not want to share accurate personal details with.

Thats why I'm now such a stickler for running two phones with totally separate accounts on each.

The second floor naked mattress ladies, most of them I recognize them from Windmill, even the 2nd floor mamasan and several waitresses are from Windmill. I wonder if there is any connection between Kink and Windmill.

This new agogo obviously is trying to follow Windmill or Dollhouse's raunchy path. The second floor is the raunchy space, but the light is way too dim. Also the mattress stage is a bit too far from the sofa, I saw some guy had trouble licking girl's beaver from the distant sofa. It is a bit hard for any licking interaction.

The mattress stage goes down to first floor for show, all 8 mattress girls in a small space, I hope after these girls chucking down many tequillas they still remember to put all their limbs well inside the mattress when it is moving up and down the lift. Doesn't look too safe to me, especially when girls are drunk. But it is the most creative thing I seen in Pattaya agogo for a long time.

I think the cheapest soft drink starts from 110 baht.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2187981]Baccara in Pattaya is already doing that. I was asked to pay first last time I BF from Baccara in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Hopefully you refused and went to the one of the hundreds of other bars instead. If you agreed then you can see why they continue to do this.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2224498]Mr E I will add to your observation and say it's an Asian thing because I seen similar in Indonesia too. One night there will be a dude BBQing corn on the side of the road, the next night 2 and the 3rd night 6. They can do unimaginative that none of them will cross the road for the opposite traffic LOL.[/QUOTE]It is far worse in Phnom Penh, I feel. I was there only briefly but was certainly not impressed by food selections. Numerous carts selling food. Every one of them selling exactly the same shitty "food" as the one next to them. Hard to find anything "edible". Variation extremely low. At least in Thailand, different carts sell different things (in the good areas).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224777]It is far worse in Phnom Penh, I feel. I was there only briefly but was certainly not impressed by food selections. Numerous carts selling food. Every one of them selling exactly the same shitty "food" as the one next to them. Hard to find anything "edible". Variation extremely low. At least in Thailand, different carts sell different things (in the good areas).[/QUOTE]Actually there are over 100 types of food sold on the streets of Cambodia including most of what's sold in Thailand. None of it is set up or catered to foreigners though, so if you don't know what you're looking for or how to look you won't find what you like probably. I personally prefer eating in a restaurant than in the middle of a street. Restaurants in Phnom Penh are as good or better than any in Thailand, especially French, steak houses and Italian.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224771]Hopefully you refused and went to the one of the hundreds of other bars instead. If you agreed then you can see why they continue to do this.[/QUOTE]Though a bit late after the initial post by Nounce, I fully agree with Rick Rock: paying upfront is a no-go. I had such request in the past already in several bars. However, I bluntly refused and told the mamasan that I will pay the girl, after she did her job. Most mamasans accepted then. Sometimes only after a short discussion, though. I always made it clear that if they insist on upfront payment, I will go to another place. However beautiful the girl was. Saying that firmly and without leaving any doubt that I am serious about it, most often did the job. With the exception of one mamasan only, all others accepted.

So, it's ultimately in our hands how the market develops. I just hope that some Japanese or Koreans don't destroy it. While I am not racist at all, I have seen representatives of these nationalities doing some really, really stupid things that mess up the market. This is definitely not in our interest.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2224833] I just hope that some Japanese or Koreans don't destroy it. While I am not racist at all, I have seen representatives of these nationalities doing some really, really stupid things that mess up the market. This is definitely not in our interest.[/QUOTE]The worst part about it all is that when you go to Japan or Korean you can barely get access to any of their local working girls!

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2224833]Though a bit late after the initial post by Nounce, I fully agree with Rick Rock: paying upfront is a no-go. I had such request in the past already in several bars. However, I bluntly refused and told the mamasan that I will pay the girl, after she did her job. Most mamasans accepted then. Sometimes only after a short discussion, though.[/QUOTE]Boss pay you already? So why I pay already? I am customer. Same boss.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2224539]The thing I always wondered about is the bar girls on soi 6. There is no way all of them are getting customers. There are hundreds of them and cannot be enough customers.

I was at a bar in Phuket yesterday and counted 8 women and 3 customers. All 3 of us left alone. Those girls must go weeks or longer before getting barfined. And not to be cruel, but why would anyone bar fine a few, I don't know. Do some girls just not make money? [/QUOTE]Luckily for some of these girls some guys are in desperate need of a good Optometrist. You'd be surprised how many guys take the ugly girls. Maybe it's the theory of the uglier and older a girl is the better service she will provide? Maybe it's because the guy is older or has low self esteem or is just incapable of obtaining the hot girls? Could be many factors and I've seen them all while living here.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;2224807]Restaurants in Phnom Penh are as good or better than any in Thailand, especially French, steak houses and Italian.[/QUOTE]

When you say Thailand I assume you mean pattaya because that's a big statement to compare pp to good Bangkok restaurants. Do you remember the names of some of these restaurants? I only know a handful of decent places near the rld. Many times I end up going to the street 360 area to eat.

On a personal note, my apologies to guys for the lack of updates from me. I've been traveling and have decided I need a short break from the gogo bar scene. I am curious about checking out Kink soon though. New bars are always fun when hopeful girls try them out.

I have visited Pattaya for six days recently. Have not been there for 2 years and it was a quick trip among other places I travelled between Europe and South East Asia during my vacation. Was doing quite poorly first days and started to wonder what I did come here for and whether I ever return. But last days were pretty ok so I left with mixed feelings. Certainly I lack some experience and did mistakes but on the other hand it was also a matter of purely luck and coincidence. Sorry, I do not remember names or numbers of most of the girls because initially I did not have an intention to write any kind of report. Sorry for crooked English, it is not my mother tongue and I write large texts rarely.

01 Sep: went to Walking street and walked around for 40-50 minutes enjoying the vibe. I had good memories from the past and nostalgic feelings and it was just pleasant to look at crowd, girls at the entrances of go-gos, the old handicapped guy selling flowers (can't imagine for how long he is there; saw him 5 or 6 years ago when I arrived Pattaya for the first time and he has not changed at all), tourist police officers etc etc. I felt warm and relaxed. Then decided that I was ready for some action and approached Palace. Fail number 1: security man said it was packed full and suggested that it would be better to come after one hour. Ok, no worries. Tried Windmill. Entered, fully packed inside. Asked staff what is going on second floor. She said same. Really too many people so I left. Then I entered What's Up. Pretty much people as well but was proposed a round seat close to central stage. Random girl sat by which said "Hallo" and usual quick chat occurred. I was in good mood so offered her a drink just for fun, I was not interested in her sexually. She thanked, sat a little more, then her turn to dance came and she went to stage on the right. Meantime I have spotted an attractive girl for my taste on the central stage and asked staff to invite her for a drink. Soon she came, we talked, sat and drank together. One of the better tables with sofa became free (customers left) and she proposed to move there where it is more comfortable to sit. I liked to sit with her and keep looking other girls on stage because many of them were attractive. Not in rush. My girl kept consuming drinks, from time to time she came dancing to the stage and then returned. First girl walked around, made exaggeratedly sad face and said "Seeing you have busy time". I say nothing, smile. It got quite late already and I thought I would pay barfine and take second girl for a short time. However, before I took any action she said "Sorry, I greet my customer and come back, ok?" Then she crossed the bar and came to table of big and slightly fat Asian guy, talked to him, he offered drinks to her as well. Fail number 2: after 15 minutes she did not come back and I felt things were going in wrong way. Another girl (also good looking for me) was just descending from stage to the floor and I tried to catch her as a substitute but she did not accept my invitation explaining she was heading for another table where she was occupied with a customer earlier (it was behind me so I did not notice in advance). So fail number 3. Well, at least she sticks to the guys who invited her earlier, unlike my second girl. At this stage I started to feel quite irritated, I really have no intention to compete for hookers, so if things do not go my way, it is better to leave. I paid to the staff and stood up. My second girl saw I was leaving and quickly came back asking where I go. I lost my mood so said I go another place and went to the exit. She followed me till the street but anyway did not make any attempt to stop me. It was like 1:30 AM and I had flight to Singapore in the afternoon so I decided to come back to hotel, sleep and take some rest before travel.

02-03 Sep: I was in Singapore for business matters. Visited Geylang once. Not bad. Will post in relevant thread later.

04 Sep: back to Pattaya, Walking street. Tried Windmill and left, extremely crowded like three days ago. Went to Sensations. Girls were cute and I liked their outfit. Understand most of the guys prefer naked dancers. But I really like sexy dresses, lingerie etc. One girl which was not on stage approached and we talked. She was not bad so bought her a drink. Again was not in rush, relaxing and looking around. Soon she started to push me to pay her barfine. I explained that I would maybe do it later, now I just wanted to sit and drink. She tried again several times but I declined. She surrendered and turned it other way: invited her "sister" or "friend" (whatever, who gives a f**k?) to drink with us and I agreed. Overall I had good time, girls kept turns dancing on my knees, kissing, showing their bodies. Went on stage and returned back several times. Meantime I saw extremely hot girl (name Jum. For sure; number 998 - almost sure) dancing. She had very big hard serious eyes and I knew from the first glance that she was a be**ch. But could not resist, she was looking much like the girl I loved many years ago (as much as Asian girl can generally look like European girl, of course, you need certain imagination). I invited her for drinks as well but she kept quite distant unlike two other girls, sat in front of my table but not on my left or on my right on sofa. Girls suggested me to pay barfine for all three of them and go to the disco, I smiled and declined. Two first girls left to dance on stage and I asked Jum if I can pay her barfine. She said yes but she could only go to disco, nothing else. I chuckled. She asked, "Why do you look at me like that, is it funny?" I asked, "Do people pay your barfine just to take you to the disco?" She replied, "Yes, do you think it is funny?" I confirmed that it was funny in my opinion. Certainly there was no chemistry and discussion withered. The first girl returned and again suggested to pay her barfine, 1000 Baht. I asked how much she wanted for short time. She quoted 4000 Baht. I decided to bargain, said, "What about 3000?" But she declined. At this stage I become irritated again. 1000 Baht is no big deal for me but my total bill at Sensations was around 6 or 7 thousand Baht and part of that will come to the girl as lady drinks. Also she was pushing me that much the whole evening for barfine. Also that stupid story from Jum for paying barfine to take her to the disco. As the girl was adamant about 4000 and it was around 2:00 AM again I thought, WTF, stay here and look for a customer who pays at these wee hours your barfine and 4000 Baht. So I paid my bill and went to hotel to sleep. Fail number 4.

05 Sep: tried Sugarbaby. Not much customers, no cute girls. Three girls sat bored. Bought them drinks just for fun. Usual stupid chat. Then they went to dance and another two came spotting me as easy target and also asked drinks. But I already saw there was nothing to catch, politely declined, paid bill and left. Entered Lighthouse. Small place, but they have drinks menu at each table which is convenient. Invited a girl from stage. Drinking, talking. She kissed me aggressively, sometimes biting my lip or tongue. Not that I did not like that but not very much used to such kind of things. Asked how did she learn about Pattaya and she said that her older sister started to work here earlier. And soon sister (maybe it's bullshit, of course) came for drinks as well. I did not object, was listening their stories that their father was Australian, mother also a go-go dancer in the past, now father disappeared and mother with daughters work in Pattaya. Frankly girls did not look like 50% (or even 10%) white for me. Soon first girl told me that if we would keep sitting here my bill would just increase and instead it is better to pay barfine for two of them and we go to the disco. LOL, seems I was following same wrong path. It was well after midnight and I was not in mood for any discos. I asked how much she wanted for short time. She quoted 3000. No objections and she went to change clothes. Her "sister" pushed me again to pay her barfine as well. She said that if I would not, the girl I chose would come back after short time with me and pay that barfine for her sister herself from money earned so that they could leave together. Not sure why should I care? I declined. Then we left with first girl. She proposed to use short time room on Walking street. I preferred to move to my hotel. She agreed but asked to go first to see her mom. WTF? It started to become funny. I agreed just to see what would come out of this. We went to Rolling Live 6 where her mother worked as bartender. Strange situation. I am sex tourist on short stay in Pattaya, her mother is ex-hooker, her daughter is actual hooker and everybody knows I am going to fuck her. But anyway, we sat and drank together for some time. And I spotted very nice girl, Mimi was her nickname, at this bar and regretted a bit that I was already committed. Decided to come for her later. Then we left with Lighthouse girl to my hotel. At this stage I realize that she had too many tequilas and got really drunk. I asked if she was ok and she kept insisting that she was. In my room she undressed, fell on the bed (neither of us showered), sucked my dick for 30 seconds and demanded to fuck her. I did not waste any time and mounted her. She was quite aggressive in sex (like it was in kissing), scratched me, moved sharply under me etc. But after the deed had been done and I went to shower, finally all her tequilas broke out. She ran and puked into my toilet. Not very romantic, you can imagine. I offered her some water but she said she was ok. Have to admit, she washed her mess entirely and left toilet clean. I paid her and we went out together, she was still drunk and tried to collect her ID from reception although she had not left it there before. Then she took motorbike taxi and left in the night. I was not sleepy and did not invent anything better than to return to Rolling Live 6 to have some drinks with Mimi, Lighthouse girl's mother and other staff. I told Lighthouse girl's mother that I worried about her daughter, she called her mobile and after several attempts learned that she was more or less fine finally. I was offered to play some board games and spent some time but it was rather boring (OK, I am not good with women but my IQ is around 125 and I am simply not interested in things that may be entertaining for Thai bar girls) so after some time I returned to sleep in my hotel. Not a fail but still ambiguous experience.

06 Sep: finally explored Windmill, floor 1 and floor 2. No cute girls. Left. Walked past Mandarin and Panda. Girls at the entrance are clearly not interested in white customers. They chase aggressively Asian guys, touching and ripping them out of the crowd even though they resist and keep walking by. But no attention to Caucasian males at all. Entered Palace. Girls were pretty and I liked the music. Music was shit to my taste in all go-gos I visited except Palace. Many tracks sounded like synth wave or synth pop, not the music I am big fan of but at least can listen to. Most of the customers are Asian, almost no European guys. I invited a cute small red-haired girl. She introduced herself as Yuki (in bill it was typed Yok though). She was speaking English surprisingly good and also travelled a lot: Hong Kong, Japan and some other countries which I do not remember now. I had been there as well so we could have normal discussion on various topics exceeding usual "what is you age / country / family status / duration of stay in Pattaya" chat. We were drinking and talking for couple of hours and I had good time with her. I thought to propose to pay her barfine but then came my fail number 5 in the person of two fat Chinese guys. She said they were her customers and she needed to greet them. I knew that no good would come of that and started to watch the situation. She came to them, they offered drinks which she accepted, of course, spent 10-15 minutes with them (couple of other girls joined the company as well), returned to me for 2-3 minutes, then went back to Chinese, then I lost my patience, paid the bill and left. Now I do not see anything too much dramatic in what happened but at that time I was really upset that I was doing something wrong. It was well after midnight, I tried couple of other places. Sapphire looked quite empty already but still all the tables with sofas were occupied. I sat at round seat at the stage and one girl was not bad. Invited her to come for a drink after dancers on stage change and she nodded but then a table on the other side became free where I moved and lost sight of her (and probably she of me) so when girls from stage left and next ones took their place, I did not see her anymore and was not in mood to make any special searches. Paid bill, exited. Entered Skyfall, again it was quite late already so not many girls. Two approached me very aggressively, sitting close to me, rubbing their asses against my knees but neither was to my liking (and others as well) so I left quickly without finishing my drink. Tried Sensations again. Spotted an "ok" looking girl, invited for a drink. Her nickname was Toy. After one she asks to buy a drink for her friend. Ok, I agreed. Then they both asked for one more. I decline with a smile. They thanked me and off they were back to the stage. Clearly not interested at all unless I keep my bill increasing quickly. I was paying and leaving, meantime seeing with lateral vision that first girl is coming back from stage to some Korean guy. Ok, clearly not my day. It was around 3:00 AM so I gave it a try to pick up Mimi at Rolling Live 6. I was greeted by staff who said me that Lighthouse girl's mother (remind you, she was a bartender there) was angry that after her daughter I came to drink with another girl. Well, probably it was not so brilliant idea but WTF? They are all hookers. And it was not my idea to become acquainted with Mrs. Bartender but her daughter's. Anyway, Mimi is not there tonight, she went to the Pier disco with her "friend". Fail number 6. I was tired and really wondered what the hell I was doing in Pattaya. Decided to forget this place and better explore Germany's FKKs during my next vacation. Returned to hotel, sleep.

07 Sep: my last night in Pattaya. Fed up with previous fails but last night is last night, why not to give it a chance. Went straight to Iron. There are two stages, I sat at first close to the one in the deep, far from entrance. Did not like any one but spotted nice girl at another stage (closer to entrance). Moved here. Awkwardly dropped glass with vodka and ice on my jeans so got quite wet. Staff helped with napkins so dried a bit. Invited the girl I spotted earlier. And I did not regret, she was really hot. We spent around 3 hours drinking, smoking, kissing, dancing and jumping all over the place, both Mamasans joined us and one even asked for my Line ID to get in touch when I am in Pattaya next time. Finally I had fun which I was actually looking for in Pattaya. Then I got a problem. At 2:00 AM I decided it was time to finish and asked the girl if I could pay her barfine now. Funnily enough, I do not remember her name and do not have her Line ID, she said she did not use Line (hard to believe) but said she used WeChat (that one I do not use). She said she could not go today because she had an appointment at 03:00 AM but she could go tomorrow. I insisted saying that there was literally no tomorrow (I had a flight on 08 Sep) and that for short time it was ok because my hotel was close, at Soi Buakhaow. Mamasan told her something and she agreed. Quickly closed the bill and barfine, in 10 minutes we were in my room. To be frank sex was so-so, nothing to write home about but I spent good time in Iron and after all got what I wanted without much complications like in previous days. I spent all cash so we went together to ATM where I took money for her short time fee. She told me I was a good guy and asked when I would come back to Pattaya. Then we went each own way.

08 Sep: I had a flight from Suvarnabhumi in the afternoon. Still something to do. Did not try soapie yet so went to Rasputin around 02:00 PM. Not many girls at this time. Chose one, was quoted 2500. Ok, deal. OKT asked 100 Baht tip, I said next time. In the room, usual routine. Girl was pretty but very petite, her leg almost same as my hand in thickness and I am not a big guy. Did not know English much. Bathed me very well, I liked. On the bed we went to CBJ and sex, nothing special but I came really hard, very bright orgasm. Then massage which was good, she was surprisingly strong in spite of her petite size and massaged my back, hands and feet very well. I paid her 300 Baht as a tip, then left. Walked to my hotel 30 minutes by feet, was feeling really good and happy, obviously a lot of oxytocin released in my brain after orgasm, very bright state of mind. But now my time was over. I packed my bag, had a quick lunch and took taxi to Suvarnabhumi.

So now I can not understand what was that. Such a big fail in the beginning and decision of never coming back, then couple of nice experiences and I left with pleasant after taste. Like a roller coaster. Not sure but looks like I will want to return to Thailand for P4 P. But not sure if possible to avoid all mistakes I made and avoid bad feelings. Probably my problem is that I come rarely and just for couple of days so I do not have enough time to learn proper way of doing things. And I regret I did not have time to swim through Soi 6. I think it could be better than go-gos of WS.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;2224833]......................So, it's ultimately in our hands how the market develops. I just hope that some Japanese or Koreans don't destroy it. While I am not racist at all, I have seen representatives of these nationalities doing some really, really stupid things that mess up the market. This is definitely not in our interest.[/QUOTE]Remember that Japanese and Koreans have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans so they will always be more liberal with their cash.

Hi Melor.

I enjoyed reading your post and I can understand where you are coming from. I have had 2 trips to Pattaya this year and I have quickly learnt that the Agogo Bars are designed to suck your money as fast as you are prepared to let them. In preparation for my next trip I am only planning on going to the Agogos on WS 3 times and utilise either beer bar girls or freelancers.

I find the attitudes of some of the Agogo girls indifferent and like you, I know they are hookers and why do I need to pander to their needs. I have found some gems in the Agogos but I have worked out a system to rid myself of the scammers. It works for me and I save money and time.

[QUOTE=Melor;2225010]So now I can not understand what was that. Such a big fail in the beginning and decision of never coming back, then couple of nice experiences and I left with pleasant after taste. Like a roller coaster. Not sure but looks like I will want to return to Thailand for P4 P. But not sure if possible to avoid all mistakes I made and avoid bad feelings.[/QUOTE]Actually I think the girl that told you to bar fine her and go to the disco may have been on to something. From your reports it seems that you don't really switch up chicks when you go into the gogo bars. You pick one chick and keep drinking with her. So why not, as soon as you figure out the chick that you want, barfine her immediately then go out for a change of scenery. No sense in keep spending money on lady drinks when you already know who you want. That way you don't buy 10 drinks then the girl runs off on you. You can even buy a bottle when you get to the disco. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225065]Actually I think the girl that told you to bar fine her and go to the disco may have been on to something. From your reports it seems that you don't really switch up chicks when you go into the gogo bars. You pick one chick and keep drinking with her. So why not, as soon as you figure out the chick that you want, barfine her immediately then go out for a change of scenery. No sense in keep spending money on lady drinks when you already know who you want. That way you don't buy 10 drinks then the girl runs off on you. You can even buy a bottle when you get to the disco. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. If you are not ready for bed but you like the girl get her out ASAP but go to a disco and not another bar where her "sister" may work. It's all about who controls the situation and you staying in there environment gives them control.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2225073]My thoughts exactly. If you are not ready for bed but you like the girl get her out ASAP but go to a disco and not another bar where her "sister" may work. It's all about who controls the situation and you staying in there environment gives them control.[/QUOTE]Except the Mamasan may object to letting the girl leave the bar too early. Those girls need to fill their drink quotas. I have seen all sorts of schemes used by mamasans to keep a girl in the bar longer, hence selling more drinks. I found it much easier to get the girl out sooner, after 11 pm. Hence I may hit the gogos earlier, but refrain from selecting a girl until later.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224807]...Restaurants in Phnom Penh are as good or better than any in Thailand, especially French, steak houses and Italian.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. French food in Phnom Penh is delicious, and has nothing to envy to French restaurants in France or elsewhere. That makes sense since France colonized Cambodia and occupied it for many years.

[QUOTE=Melor;2225010]So now I can not understand what was that. Such a big fail in the beginning and decision of never coming back, then couple of nice experiences and I left with pleasant after taste. Like a roller coaster. Not sure but looks like I will want to return to Thailand for P4 P. But not sure if possible to avoid all mistakes I made and avoid bad feelings. Probably my problem is that I come rarely and just for couple of days so I do not have enough time to learn proper way of doing things. And I regret I did not have time to swim through Soi 6. I think it could be better than go-gos of WS.[/QUOTE]Wait what? Almost a week in Pattaya and no Soi 6. Shame on you! At least it's something for you to look forward to. Imo top Soi 6 girls blow away Windmill girls but we all have different taste in women.

Glad things turned around for you in Pattaya. One of my friends had the same thing happen to him in Jakarta. On night 2 he was ready to leave back for Thailand. By the end of the trip he didn't want to leave Jakarta!

[QUOTE=RobJones;2225059]I have quickly learnt that the Agogo Bars are designed to suck your money as fast as you are prepared to let them. In preparation for my next trip I am only planning on going to the Agogos on WS 3 times and utilise either beer bar girls or freelancers.[/QUOTE]Only if you allow them to suck your money quickly. You will learn how to deal with gogo girls with more experience.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2225036]Remember that Japanese and Koreans have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans so they will always be more liberal with their cash.[/QUOTE]You can't really stereotype like this. The average income in the US is much higher than in Japan or Korea. The average annual household income in South Korea is only $16,000! Japan is 39,000. In the US it's over 60,000. Also more married guys in Japan and Korea than the US. So it just depends who exactly you are talking about. Even if the US you could go fro Trenton New Jersey to the Upper East Side of Manhattan and feel like you crossed an international border.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2224985]When you say Thailand I assume you mean pattaya because that's a big statement to compare pp to good Bangkok restaurants. Do you remember the names of some of these restaurants? I only know a handful of decent places near the rld. Many times I end up going to the street 360 area to eat. .[/QUOTE]I said Thailand because I meant Thailand. Phnom Penh has equally good restaurants at all price levels, though on the cheap end if you're eating street food like Som Tam, then Thailand is usually less expensive. Have you been to LE Saint Georges? Do Forni? Khema Pasteur? Piccola Italia the Luigi? As good as anything in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2225135]You can't really stereotype like this. The average income in the US is much higher than in Japan or Korea. The average annual household income in South Korea is only $16,000! Japan is 39,000. In the US it's over 60,000. Also more married guys in Japan and Korea than the US. So it just depends who exactly you are talking about. Even if the US you could go fro Trenton New Jersey to the Upper East Side of Manhattan and feel like you crossed an international border.[/QUOTE]Agree with your theme. Just to point out that median South Korean income may be closer to $30 k v. $60 k for the US.

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[QUOTE=RickRock;2225135]You can't really stereotype like this. The average income in the US is much higher than in Japan or Korea. The average annual household income in South Korea is only $16,000! Japan is 39,000. In the US it's over 60,000. [/QUOTE]Interesting. I was going to look up some numbers but you beat me to it. I recently spent over 2 weeks in Tokyo and Osaka and I was shocked at how cheap things were, except for the girls. 178 baht for a beef gyudon and a big bowl of udon noodles. Enough food to almost last me the day. I ordered a huge and I mean huge steak for 250 baht. My dinner for 2 at Wolfgang Puck was 600 baht. I noticed very long lineups at inexpensive restaurants with quality food. Family Mart and 7-11 seemed cheaper as well. The low Japanese average income explains a lot. Even rent in Osaka was less than with my overpriced condo in Pattaya. If I could work around getting a long term Visa in Japan I would be there instantly with my Dotonbori girls. Unfortunately, I am only allowed to stay 90 days and most rental properties demand a 1 year lease.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2225138]Have you been to LE Saint Georges? Do Forni? Khema Pasteur? Piccola Italia the Luigi? As good as anything in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I don't believe so but thanks for naming them. Will keep them in mind on my next visit to PP.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225159]I ordered a huge and I mean huge steak for 250 baht. My dinner for 2 at Wolfgang Puck was 600 baht. I noticed very long lineups at inexpensive restaurants with quality food. Family Mart and 7-11 seemed cheaper as well. The low Japanese average income explains a lot. Even rent in Osaka was less than with my overpriced condo in Pattaya. If I could work around getting a long term Visa in Japan I would be there instantly with my Dotonbori girls. Unfortunately, I am only allowed to stay 90 days and most rental properties demand a 1 year lease.[/QUOTE]I always thought Japan was super expensive. B600 for 2 people at Wolfgang Puck? Cheaper rent than Pattaya? Unbelievable! Do you use Air BNB in Osaka or is it possible to get a reasonably priced hotel? Osaka will likely be a stop on my next Asia visit.

[QUOTE=Allover;2225192]I always thought Japan was super expensive. B600 for 2 people at Wolfgang Puck? Cheaper rent than Pattaya? Unbelievable! Do you use Air BNB in Osaka or is it possible to get a reasonably priced hotel? Osaka will likely be a stop on my next Asia visit.[/QUOTE]I was under the same impression as you were that Japan was super expensive. I hadn't been for many years. Our Wolfgang Puck in Harajuku meal consisted of a spaghetti and a large chicken caesar salad which was enough to fill up myself and the girl I was with. Both delicious BTW. Hotels are not cheap but not super expensive. I was referring to a yearly rental being cheaper than Pattaya. In Tokyo, I ended up paying nearly 10,000 baht for one single night because for some reason that Saturday evening almost everything was booked up in the Shinjuku area. I could have found many hotels for 3-4 k baht but I was too lazy to lug my suitcase an hour across Tokyo. Average price for my hotel a block from Dotonbori in Osaka was about 3000 baht per night. Pretty new hotel that is very clean but, like many hotels in Japan, only 11 sqm.

Shooting between police and mafia boss at All New Mouthburi last night with multiple shots fired by both parties. This club is always packed surprised no one else got hit. For those who have barfined gogo girls I'm sure you've been here.

So the rain finally went away and I found myself on Walking Street again. Earlier in the day, I found myself at Central to do some grocery shopping and to catch a movie. Also if you haven't seen Mile 22, it's worth the price of admission. Just keep in mind the Indonesian guy is a triple agent working for the Russians. Of course, they succeed in wiping out the entire USA spy group. Now I see why Asians get a bad rap. Anyways, at Central gourmet market, I took along some fake scorpions and centipedes to play with. It's funny as fuck to watch and video the Thai people's reaction as I place my little friends in strategic spots. As you can see, I'm getting a little bored of this world, that probably means that the apocalypse is coming soon. You know how the saying goes "when Michael walks the Earth and finds himself. " Anyways, back to Walking Street, first off was Baccara at 8:00. Sunday night is their best night for me because the girls wear these colorful bikinis that glow in the dark. I sat near the end of the stage sipping on my glow in the dark tonic water to which I threw a fake roach in. I pretended I didn't notice it. Many of the girls and staff looked shocked as how such a thing could have ended up in my drink. Especially because I'm a very VIP customer there. They were all scared to approach me and tell me that their was a roach in my drink, probably from the ice. This was a funny as fuck few minutes until one of the waiters finally came over and took my glass. He told me he will get me a new drink and it would be free. I looked at my drink and the roach and told him calmly, "it's okay. " Then I proceeded to picked out the plastic roach and popped it into my mouth and smiled, much to the horrific stares from some of the girls dancing on stage. The waiter, who almost vomited in his own mouth, just stood their with his eyes wide from what just happened. I then "discreetly" pulled the roach from my mouth, cleaned it off, and handed it to him. Discovering that it was a fake, he took it and went around the club pranking others. Just for shit and giggles, I asked the waiter to call girl #30 for a drink. I told him to tell her that I was the kissy type of customer and I can tip well her for some tongue action (I saw her looking at me when I ate the roach). She immediately look to see who it was, found out was me and gave me the X with her arms, not once, but did it twice. That means "double hell no. " Haha. Oh well. Let's see if this is the magic that keeps these girls off of me. I've been trying to find ways to shake them loose because they have been on me like white of rice as of late with lady drinks.

Next I rolled into Happy a Go Go and that's where I found my girl for the night. Honestly I forgot her name, but her number is either 28 or 82. She has a small petite body, maybe 45 kg (less than 100 lbs) but with nice round ass and fake tits. She's a new girl that had only been there for a week and probably in her late 20's? English is better than most, so I thinking farang friendly. She wears braces but still can suck a mean dick (details later). It took just one drink and she agreed to go to my room. This suggests that she works for barfines, not coyote salary. Meaning, this is advice only, call her down to fuck her and not waste time for chit chat or groping or another customer who offers her the 3000 will steal her from you. Not sure why many guys have a problem with asking the girl ahead of time. Are you working for drinks or working to get barfined? Save the customer and her a lot of time and money. Barfine first and then drink later is the correct order when it comes to Go Go bars. Do it the other way thinking "maybe if I buy her enough drinks, she will like me, and then agree to go," is setting yourself up for big time failure because this is how these girls win at their hustling game. Anyways I paid her all upfront, MY CHOICE, because I used a credit card to pay the 1000 barfine, 3000ST rate, and my 300 drink tab. The club will give her her cut as soon as they run your card. No way around this.

In my room, she did not disappoint. Her pussy was completely clean shaven (now pretty sure she is farang friendly) with some sweet lube that she applied after her shower. I shoved some Pop Rocks candy in her pussy and spent a good 30 minutes eating her wet pink hole out with her coming at least 2 times. Hearing the snapping and crackling of the Pop Rocks in her pussy was music to my ears. She enjoys it when you suck and bite on her clit even after she cums. You will feel the juice gush from her as she struggles to make you stop because she is so sensitive. It's like she from fighting you off stop licking, but not really, if you know what I mean. We then spent about an hour fucking in all sorts of positions. Reverse cowgirl offers the best view of her ass and pussy grip without me having to do so much work. It's the position I use to relax when I'm tired and want the girl to work a big. And to be honest, for a small girl, her small pussy can take some major punishment. Doggy she struggle a little bit but after a few minutes of slowly taking my cock, she was able to manage it deeply until finally my condom broke. I cheated and did a few thrusts even as I knew it had broken. It definitely felt better, but my big head knew better as well. I pulled out and showed her the broken condom. She then performed on me, one of the best BBBJs I had in awhile, even with braces. It took about 10 minutes and I unloaded. She took the first gulp down her throat, but the rest shot in her face, nose, and hair. She was not happy at all. To make matters worse, I stuck a scorpion in her shoe while she was showering the cum out of her hair. Her reaction while she was putting on her shoe was priceless, because I got to hear her scream from horror and not from getting her pussy stretched. Sounded a little bit different. Anyways Monkeypaw strikes again.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2225135]You can't really stereotype like this. The average income in the US is much higher than in Japan or Korea. The average annual household income in South Korea is only $16,000! Japan is 39,000. In the US it's over 60,000. Also more married guys in Japan and Korea than the US. So it just depends who exactly you are talking about. Even if the US you could go fro Trenton New Jersey to the Upper East Side of Manhattan and feel like you crossed an international border.[/QUOTE]Remember I said disposable income not total income. In Japan and Korea the cost of living is way cheaper than the US. Also US citizens have a ton of monthly payments to make such as various taxes, health care etc. The vast majority of Americans are in debt. Koreans and Japanese have a culture of living frugally and saving.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2225244]I stuck a scorpion in her shoe while she was showering the cum out of her hair. Her reaction while she was putting on her shoe was priceless, because I got to hear her scream from horror[/QUOTE]We already know you're a despicable human being, this just confirms it. This is a vivid reminder that Pattaya girls don't always have an easy job, and occasionally encounter various lowlife punters.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2225322]Remember I said disposable income not total income. In Japan and Korea the cost of living is way cheaper than the US. Also US citizens have a ton of monthly payments to make such as various taxes, health care etc. The vast majority of Americans are in debt. Koreans and Japanese have a culture of living frugally and saving.[/QUOTE]Nah sorry, there are no stereotypes like this that apply to countries with tens of millions of people. Anyway, taxes are higher in Japan and Korea than America on top of their lower wages. Japan's entire country is in debt to the tune of twice their annual GDP, they're actually in NEGATIVE INTEREST. It actually costs money to lend them anything. And Tokyo has one of the highest costs of living in the world. Top 10 most expensive cities lists always include Tokyo, sometimes at #1. Tokyo is where half the population lives. In South Korea 80 percent of the population is in Seoul where you need a massive "key money" deposit to even rent an apartment. There are places all over America where you can buy an actual house for $5000. Can't do that anywhere in Japan or Korea. Cars are cheaper in America too.

There are lots of cheap Japanese and Korean backpackers going through Thailand on a few Baht and plenty of big spender Americans making it rain.

Here: [URL]http://www.windmillpattaya.com/about-windmill/vip-membership/[/URL] The Windmill website has its high roller section showing the top ten spenders. There's a picture showing who spent between 25,000 and 103,000 Baht in one night. No Japanese or Koreans on there. USA appears 3 times, more than any other country.

Not every white guy in Thailand is a pensioner on a budget and not ever Japanese and Korean is a big spender. So no, the stereotypes just can't be applied according to the color of a person's passport.

Just say, some people spend a lot of money and some don't. Don't try to tie it to countries.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225214]Shooting between police and mafia boss at All New Mouthburi last night with multiple shots fired by both parties. This club is always packed surprised no one else got hit. For those who have barfined gogo girls I'm sure you've been here.[/QUOTE]When I bar fine go go girls I take them to a room and fuck them.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2222374]Yesterday, my first day in Pattaya, I found a gem on Beach Road across from the famous Mr. 99 restaurant. Her name is Ning and apparently she has only been in town for a few weeks. The crazy thing is that it was only 4 pm in the afternoon and the girl was already out trying to find someone to fuck her. I asked her why is she out so early? She mentioned that some nights it would rain, so it's better to work during the day, than get shut out of customers completely at night if it starts to rain. When I first saw her standing outside, I noticed Ning had a cute face and light skinned but unsure of how her body would be underneath her skimpy shorts and t shirt. But later I found out with clothes off, that her body was very sexy, with a flat stomach, nice round ass and big firm enhanced tits. I bought her and I a coconut to drink and we talked a bit about price. She wanted 1000 for 2 hours short time, and 3000 for 24 hours if I took her now. She told me that if this was at night, she would have accepted 1500 for long time, but only until the next morning. Shots would be unlimited as long as I was able to get hard and can cum. She told me she recently had a customer that she stayed with a whole day and while he only fucked her 4 times in 24 hours, he made her suck his dick like every 3-4 hours, every where they went. He wasn't able to cum all the time, so she had to stop trying. Anyways, it was barely 4 pm, and I can't do long time with any girl, sleep with them or stand a girl for 24 hours, so it was all a moot point. I took the 1000 baht for 2 hours offer and off went back to my condo.

In my room, we took a nice long shower together where she fell to her knees and gave my cock a good sucking for about 10 minutes. She then bent her ass over in the shower, reached from underneath her pussy and started to play with my dick by rubbing it against her clit, while giving me a hand job. It felt so good that I was that close to sticking my cock inside of her and going at it bare. I resisted and told her we can finish up on the bed. I carried her sexy small body to the bed and spread her legs wide for some DATY to which she was very loud and vocal. She kept squirming and lifting her ass up to basically force my tongue inside her pussy. I managed to eat her out for a good 30 minutes until my cock was ready for more attention. She then started another BBBJ with lots of spit, gagging, and deep throat action. Within a few minutes of that, I shot a big ass load of cum down her throat and she ate every drop. Now I see why her previous customer wanted her to suck his dick constantly. Ning thoroughly enjoys having random cocks in her mouth and likes the taste of unrefined organic jizz. I went to the shower to clean up a bit and when I returned to the bedroom, she had her legs wide open, while finger fucking her bare pussy. She asked me if I can get hard again to fuck her. I told her I needed help and then she started to suck my cock while in doggy position with me standing on the floor and her in the bed. 10 minutes later my dick was hard as rock with that jelly still in my system.

We fucked for the next 45 minutes or so in all sorts of positions. The girl likes to scream and enjoys having fingers in her mouth or hand muffle her loudness. Ning also does a lot of DFK and randomly starts to suck your dick in between position changes. She was an awesome reverse cow girl dick rider. In that position and in doggy, you can see the grip her pussy had while it was being stretched. This reminded me of some of the porn I used to watch. You can see from this angle her juices dripping onto my dick as I slid in and out of that bare smooth pussy. I was able to finish up in doggy and shot my second load of cum on her asshole as I split open her cheeks. Speaking of ass, I think she does anal from the way her hole opened up during doggy, but didn't ask. Surprisingly, she didn't get mad at all with my cum dripping in her ass. After we finished up, she gave me a DFK and tipped her 100 baht extra for taxi. Because I spoke a little Thai, she gave me her personal LINE account, not the one she uses for work. I guess she wanted to hang out, but of course, I don't do the whole holiday girlfriend thing with any of these girls. She did mentioned if I wanted to see her again, she's works the same spot I originally met her at night, usually around 8 pm and onwards. I'm thinking that she may also do the 1 hour short time or blow job for 500 baht. That's easy money for her. Reason being is that her dick sucking skills are one of the bests I've come across in Thailand. It took her only maybe 5 minutes for her to make me to cum down her throat. I normally take 15-20 minutes with my eyes closed, ass clinched, and fantasizing in my mind to cum with a BJ. Ning is that good. Also after fucking her, walk across to Mr. 99, and try their rock lobster in white wine sauce. Yummy.[/QUOTE]Fucking hot story bro. Nicely done. How do you get girls to pose for photos? During my trip to Pattaya I asked every single girl and only 2 obliged.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2224186]You don't actually have to add any friends to Facebook and primarily use it as a search engine for photos of gogo girls and soi 6 girls by just searching the bar name. You will remain anonymous to all except Facebook itself. Not sure if your Bangkok bars use Facebook as I've never searched for any but it's a great source in pattaya for many photos.[/QUOTE]Duh you don't have to use your real name. I have a FB account with a fake name that I use for mongering. You can meet freelance girls on all the Pattaya pages. There are dozens of private FB groups like Soi 6, Walking Street, Pattaya Gogos, etc. And yes, many of the bars including beer bars and most of the Soi 6 bars have Facebook pages with real photos of the girls.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2225428]Fucking hot story bro. Nicely done. How do you get girls to pose for photos? During my trip to Pattaya I asked every single girl and only 2 obliged.[/QUOTE]Stop asking and just do it. Or say damn that ass looks good. I got to take a picture of that.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2225383]Nah sorry, there are no stereotypes like this that apply to countries with tens of millions of people. Anyway, taxes are higher in Japan and Korea than America on top of their lower wages. Japan's entire country is in debt to the tune of twice their annual GDP, they're actually in NEGATIVE INTEREST. It actually costs money to lend them anything. And Tokyo has one of the highest costs of living in the world. Top 10 most expensive cities lists always include Tokyo, sometimes at #1. Tokyo is where half the population lives. In South Korea 80 percent of the population is in Seoul where you need a massive "key money" deposit to even rent an apartment. There are places all over America where you can buy an actual house for $5000. Can't do that anywhere in Japan or Korea. Cars are cheaper in America too.

There are lots of cheap Japanese and Korean backpackers going through Thailand on a few Baht and plenty of big spender Americans making it rain.

Here: [URL]http://www.windmillpattaya.com/about-windmill/vip-membership/[/URL] The Windmill website has its high roller section showing the top ten spenders. There's a picture showing who spent between 25,000 and 103,000 Baht in one night. No Japanese or Koreans on there. USA appears 3 times, more than any other country.

Not every white guy in Thailand is a pensioner on a budget and not ever Japanese and Korean is a big spender. So no, the stereotypes just can't be applied according to the color of a person's passport.

Just say, some people spend a lot of money and some don't. Don't try to tie it to countries.[/QUOTE]Whether you accept it or not Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are the heavy rollers all over the world now. Gone are the days when the white mongers ruled the roost. I spent my summer in German FKKs this year and Caucasian bobbyists have to get out of the way or they'll be trampled by the European working girls making a bee line for the Asian mongers. I understand, its a hard pill to swallow but the evidence is everywhere. Whoever throws around the most cash calls the shots.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2225383]Nah sorry, there are no stereotypes like this that apply to countries with tens of millions of people. Anyway, taxes are higher in Japan and Korea than America on top of their lower wages. Japan's entire country is in debt to the tune of twice their annual GDP, they're actually in NEGATIVE INTEREST. It actually costs money to lend them anything. And Tokyo has one of the highest costs of living in the world. Top 10 most expensive cities lists always include Tokyo, sometimes at #1. Tokyo is where half the population lives. In South Korea 80 percent of the population is in Seoul where you need a massive "key money" deposit to even rent an apartment. There are places all over America where you can buy an actual house for $5000. Can't do that anywhere in Japan or Korea. Cars are cheaper in America too.

There are lots of cheap Japanese and Korean backpackers going through Thailand on a few Baht and plenty of big spender Americans making it rain.

Here: [URL]http://www.windmillpattaya.com/about-windmill/vip-membership/[/URL] The Windmill website has its high roller section showing the top ten spenders. There's a picture showing who spent between 25,000 and 103,000 Baht in one night. No Japanese or Koreans on there. USA appears 3 times, more than any other country.

Not every white guy in Thailand is a pensioner on a budget and not ever Japanese and Korean is a big spender. So no, the stereotypes just can't be applied according to the color of a person's passport.

Just say, some people spend a lot of money and some don't. Don't try to tie it to countries.[/QUOTE]Please tell me where I can buy a house in the US for 5 k. Inquiring minds would like to know.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2225513]Please tell me where I can buy a house in the US for 5 k. Inquiring minds would like to know.[/QUOTE]On a whim, I did a quick google search and amusingly / amazingly enough, there are several. Who knew! You'll have to put a lot of extra work into them to make them habitable though.

[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/media/10-homes-you-can-buy-for-5000/[/URL]

Cheers,

FT.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2225513]Please tell me where I can buy a house in the US for 5 k. Inquiring minds would like to know.[/QUOTE]Come on man. Some things you can use google to get the answer to.

I wouldn't pay $5 k for a house in Detroit. I remember a few years ago they were going for $1.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225564]I wouldn't pay $5 k for a house in Detroit. I remember a few years ago they were going for $1.[/QUOTE]I would sell for $5,000.00. Should have invested $100 then. 100 x $4,999.00 profit = &49,990. 00. Crap my $100 went down a warm wet V!

Quick fly by Soi 6 today at 2 pm. The top half of Soi 6 had many girls while the Beach Road part starting from The Clansman was a bit sparse. Not much talent today. I did get a lady drink for one girl in one of the air conditioned bars because it was a bit hot today. No DFK or HJ when buying the drink so I ended my time with her fairly quickly. Tits felt ok though. Cmon guys be more demanding with these girls!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225670]Quick fly by Soi 6 today at 2 pm. The top half of Soi 6 had many girls while the Beach Road part starting from The Clansman was a bit sparse. Not much talent today. I did get a lady drink for one girl in one of the air conditioned bars because it was a bit hot today. No DFK or HJ when buying the drink so I ended my time with her fairly quickly. Tits felt ok though. Cmon guys be more demanding with these girls![/QUOTE]I had one buddy that was being polite and asking them on dates. I said that is not what Soi 6 is for and showed him how you are supposed to be raunchy with the girls.

Hey you guys with boots on the ground in Pattaya, is it true that the authorities are going to allow casinos in Pattaya? That would certainly enhance my retirement experience as I would like to have at least one night per week in a casino.

Americans, unless obviously well off are usually met with a poor welcome compared to other races as Americans are usually poor and cheap Charlie's. The girls learn fast and they know to go to guys from countries that have had wage growth.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2225970]Hey you guys with boots on the ground in Pattaya, is it true that the authorities are going to allow casinos in Pattaya? That would certainly enhance my retirement experience as I would like to have at least one night per week in a casino.[/QUOTE]There's been talk about it for some time but nothing likely to happen for a while. It may come at the expense of part of walking street and Bali Hai pier as it is likely the best location for it.

It definitely will change pattaya. You think there's an issue with Chinese tourists now? Wait until a casino gets here.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2226081]Americans, unless obviously well off are usually met with a poor welcome compared to other races as Americans are usually poor and cheap Charlie's. The girls learn fast and they know to go to guys from countries that have had wage growth.[/QUOTE]Amazing that you say that! When I was in Pattaya in June the majority of girls couldn't tell an Australian accent from an American accent and constantly asked me and my American friend what part of the world we are from.

As I often state these are uneducated farm girls and they would not have a clue what wage growth is little know what country's are experiencing it.

Me thinks 1/ sour grapes and 2/ this comment belongs in Stupid Shit in Thailand thread.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2225970]Hey you guys with boots on the ground in Pattaya, is it true that the authorities are going to allow casinos in Pattaya? That would certainly enhance my retirement experience as I would like to have at least one night per week in a casino.[/QUOTE]In April 2017 the authorities announced that they would allow the construction of the casino and that work would begin in August 2017. From what I know no construction has been started.

[URL]https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/local/new-super-casino-given-go-ahead-pattaya/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2226152]In April 2017 the authorities announced that they would allow the construction of the casino and that work would begin in August 2017. From what I know no construction has been started.

[URL]https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/local/new-super-casino-given-go-ahead-pattaya/[/URL][/QUOTE]When the former Mayor was elected it was speculated he would push for the approval of the casino which his father connection wanted of course rumors. The approval authorization is just locally but has to be approved by the larger government the reason nothing has or can be done. Fifteen years ago I heard about the casino supposedly a piece of land is already in place along the bench in Jomtien located somewhere between Soi 9-11?

Personally, when I heard it I was against and hope it never happens!

[QUOTE=HectorG;2225428]Fucking hot story bro. Nicely done. How do you get girls to pose for photos? During my trip to Pattaya I asked every single girl and only 2 obliged.[/QUOTE]Regarding the ability to pretty girls to take pics, I think I've answered this question before. How does Shane get girls to spread their ass in front of the camera. How does Mr. E get girls to fuck him for free? How did I get girls to fuck me for. 99 cent Jack in the Box tacos? The answer is simple. It's because we are who we are and no one else. You are Hector and I am Monkeypaw. We all have been gifted or cursed, however you want to look at it, with different powers when it comes to understanding others, playing with girls, and with succeeding in life. You can either thank God or curse the devil for your level of knowledge, skills, and abilities. I call this game or gamesmanship. Many people who get upset at this fact, still know it's true. In school, how can two students be given the same book to read but score differently on tests? Why can one Indian get into Baccara but another one can't? Think of P4P as like a hobby or sport. I can play basketball, but I can't do it like Lebron. He can play way better than me. I can only sit back in awe at some of the amazing things Lebron can do. That's all.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2221697]I returned to my hotel for another nap and then headed to Sapphire. Again I've been following their FB page and the gorgeous girls photos. I had a list of about 10 girls and their numbers. My favorite girl Beer no longer works there, my other favorites were nowhere to be found, and one I was hoping to meet (Mook) turned out to be quite stuck up and zero connection.[/QUOTE]The same thing can be said about your experience with Mook. After I read about what happened, I wanted to take revenge for the way she treated you. I've seen Mook for 1 year now, and recognize that she is quite a hustler. Rarely have I seen her go with customers, yet she very popular and good at getting drinks. I've always thought Mook was cute in the face, but quite small. So we never connected or did I even attempt, until read your report. No Go Go bar dancer can treat my boy Hector with a "stuck up" attitude and think she can get away with it. So Monkeypaw decided he was going in to get some payback for Hector.

First off, I can tell she is a lesbian. The way she moves. They way she talks. I know. It's my gift that I can do shit like this. I had to call her down myself because the fat waitress was too busy putting on make up. It was already like 9, the waitress apparently came in late. Not sure why? It's not like the waitress didn't get enough sleep because she got barfined the night before. Anyways no tip for her lazy ass. So anyways I called Mook over for drinks and when it came time, I told her I just wanted to barfine her to feed her skinny ass. I told her she was too thin and if she was 5 kg more (38 kg), I would have no problem dicking her fine ass down. And that when she dances, I'm afraid that another girl will knock her off the stage accidentally. Tonight, I offered to pay her barfine of 1500, buy her 5 drinks, and give her another 1000 for her time, if she would come to my room and eat some Japanese curry (with potatoes and carrots) that I cooked earlier and made too much, to help fatten her up a bit. She looked a little angry at what is said about her spinner type body, but had no problem accepting my deal.

So in my room as she was eating, I got her to look the other way and stuck a plastic roach in her food. Yeah yeah, the despicable shit that Monkeypaw does. I know I'm a sorry excuse for a human being. She screamed in horror of course. Not sure why the Thai girls get mad? I thought they eat this shit while growing up. Weren't roaches and crickets packed in their school lunches? I see bugs and worms on the food carye on Walking Street all the time. While she was cursing me in Thai, this was the perfect time for Monkeypaw to make his move. I told her I wanted to pay her an extra 1000 baht to lick her pussy for about 15-20 minutes. So that would be 2000 baht total. She said okay and finished her food. Afterwards she told me that she was going to shower to get the curry smell out, but I requested that she not brush her teeth. I told her I've never been to India before and never been with an Indian prostitute before, so this was my chance to almost.

When Mook came out of the shower she was fresh, clean, and completely bald. She laid on the bed with her legs spread wide open for me to start my dinner. She had sprayed herself with a sweet strawberry flavored lubricant. Now it was time for my powers versus Mook's. I spent the next 20 minutes carefully and strategically licking, eating, and tongue fucking her. Every time she was about to cum, I would suck on her clit and make it too intense for her to do so. Then after the 3rd time of torturing her ass like this I made her an offer. 1000 baht more to fuck her and let her cum. She whimpered "okay please I want finish. " Then Monkeypaw did you what he does best. I fucked the devil out of her.

She asked me what position I would like. I opted for her on top which she enthusiastically said in a cute voice, "OK". She climbed on top of my throbbing cock, placed it inside (and it felt nice and tight), then slowly commenced into an up and down motion massaging my dick. I grabbed her ass after she got comfortable and could tell she wanted me to control the pace and liked to be fucked. I got more moans out of her when I got faster which turned me on as she is not a very vocal girl, at all. Things started to dry up as condoms do that to her she said, then grabbed more lube as we decided to give K9 a go. She knelt on the side of the bed while I stood which is my favorite position with girls like her. Her hips, ass, and shoulders all within arm's reach, and very fun to hold while fucking. I had to again check my wrapper as it felt like I was fucking her bare, but nope, still on. I sped up to her delight, and one point made her cum as she shivered in orgasm to my cock fucking her tight pussy.

The bed had slid, and she was about to fall off so she stood for a moment after her climax to keep the rhythm going. I didn't take long and had her lay down on her back so I could see the full frontal of her face, nice tits, and hot pussy all below me. I felt like I could cum any minute but held out best I could as I only planned a short time session. I then put her legs to the side and one leg up on the bed which sent me overboard, and her as well. I pulled out, laid down and asked her to lick my balls. She agreed as long as I didn't cum on her face, which was cool with me. The view of her face, tight ass in the air, and tongue on my sack made me shoot my load all over that cute face. I lied, so what. Mook got revenged banged in the name of my bro, Hector and it was game over for her, Monkeypaw wins.

Disclaimer: This story may have been fantasized or fictionalized to protect the identity of all parties involved. Interpretation should cautioned and be used only for entertainment purposes only.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2226129]Amazing that you say that! When I was in Pattaya in June the majority of girls couldn't tell an Australian accent from an American accent and constantly asked me and my American friend what part of the world we are from.[/QUOTE]I know a Pattaya girl who thought Australia was in Europe. Another one asked me "So when is Christmas in Singpaore?" I could go on and on with such interesting exchanges.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2226250]I know a Pattaya girl who thought Australia was in Europe. Another one asked me "So when is Christmas in Singpaore?" I could go on and on with such interesting exchanges.[/QUOTE]LOL. If Manguy said he was in Bali I would believe the ability to tell accents as they are excellent at picking up whether an Aussie, Brit or Yank. They may be sexy and can fuck but the Pattaya bar girls are not Harvard Business School graduates.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2226197]When the former Mayor was elected it was speculated he would push for the approval of the casino which his father connection wanted of course rumors. The approval authorization is just locally but has to be approved by the larger government the reason nothing has or can be done. Fifteen years ago I heard about the casino supposedly a piece of land is already in place along the bench in Jomtien located somewhere between Soi 9-11?

Personally, when I heard it I was against and hope it never happens![/QUOTE]Just curious, why?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2226371]They may be sexy and can fuck but the Pattaya bar girls are not Harvard Business School graduates.[/QUOTE]Really?? Which way does the money flow when you are in town LOL.

Just kidding.

It was a long time a go but I did a double take when a girl was using 120% or her intellect to play Connect4 but could tell me where every vessel of the 6th Fleet was in the Pacific and when they were returning.

Not sure where she got the Security Clearance for the Classified Information. 😁 😎 😉.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2226409]Really?? Which way does the money flow when you are in town LOL.

Just kidding.

It was a long time a go but I did a double take when a girl was using 120% or her intellect to play Connect4 but could tell me where every vessel of the 6th Fleet was in the Pacific and when they were returning.

Not sure where she got the Security Clearance for the Classified Information. 😁 😎 😉.[/QUOTE]In my Pattaya days I had the same experience.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2226389]Just curious, why?[/QUOTE]For the sake of not starting an argument or unnecessary discussion on this thread or any, you have your reasons and I have mines.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2226409]Really?? Which way does the money flow when you are in town LOL.

Just kidding.

It was a long time a go but I did a double take when a girl was using 120% or her intellect to play Connect4 but could tell me where every vessel of the 6th Fleet was in the Pacific and when they were returning.

Not sure where she got the Security Clearance for the Classified Information. 😁 😎 😉.[/QUOTE]She probably has a boyfriend on each ship LOL.

They amaze you sometimes don't they!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225670]Quick fly by Soi 6 today at 2 pm. The top half of Soi 6 had many girls while the Beach Road part starting from The Clansman was a bit sparse. Not much talent today. I did get a lady drink for one girl in one of the air conditioned bars because it was a bit hot today. No DFK or HJ when buying the drink so I ended my time with her fairly quickly. Tits felt ok though. Cmon guys be more demanding with these girls![/QUOTE]The talent seems to have improved quite a bit at some of the bars. A couple of pics from Pussy Club and Where Angels Play really caught my eye. Unfortunately, I don't see a window to hit Pattaya anytime soon this year. And that is solely because I have been busy elsewhere. It will be a shame to break a 2 decade record.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2226129]Me thinks 1/ sour grapes and 2/ this comment belongs in Stupid Shit in Thailand thread.[/QUOTE]Most likely, and you can maybe add number 3.

Sometimes prostitutes say what they think you want to hear. I've been told by some women that they much prefer Americans because we have clean (I guess circumcised) cocks.

I wonder what the girls who go with Indians tell them?

[QUOTE=RickRock;2226573]Most likely, and you can maybe add number 3.

Sometimes prostitutes say what they think you want to hear. I've been told by some women that they much prefer Americans because we have clean (I guess circumcised) cocks.

I wonder what the girls who go with Indians tell them?[/QUOTE]Just do a survey and ask 100 Indians.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2226233]The same thing can be said about your experience with Mook. After I read about what happened, I wanted to take revenge for the way she treated you. I've seen Mook for 1 year now, and recognize that she is quite a hustler. Rarely have I seen her go with customers, yet she very popular and good at getting drinks. I've always thought Mook was cute in the face, but quite small. So we never connected or did I even attempt, until read your report. No Go Go bar dancer can treat my boy Hector with a "stuck up" attitude and think she can get away with it. So Monkeypaw decided he was going in to get some payback for Hector.

First off, I can tell she is a lesbian. The way she moves. They way she talks. I know. It's my gift that I can do shit like this. I had to call her down myself because the fat waitress was too busy putting on make up. It was already like 9, the waitress apparently came in late. Not sure why? It's not like the waitress didn't get enough sleep because she got barfined the night before. Anyways no tip for her lazy ass. So anyways I called Mook over for drinks and when it came time, I told her I just wanted to barfine her to feed her skinny ass. I told her she was too thin and if she was 5 kg more (38 kg), I would have no problem dicking her fine ass down. And that when she dances, I'm afraid that another girl will knock her off the stage accidentally. Tonight, I offered to pay her barfine of 1500, buy her 5 drinks, and give her another 1000 for her time, if she would come to my room and eat some Japanese curry (with potatoes and carrots) that I cooked earlier and made too much, to help fatten her up a bit. She looked a little angry at what is said about her spinner type body, but had no problem accepting my deal..[/QUOTE]A few have pointed out that some of my postings only have pics of the girls lifted from the website, so perhaps then the whole encounter was all a fantasy. So now I have resorted to finding stunt doubles for the girls. I was able to find a girl who sorta maybe looks like Mook from Sapphire to pose for some photos for me. I only had to pay her a free meal. All to make the story above more believable. I think I did a decent job. The random girl looks maybe 70-80% like Mook? You can compare yourself.

Over the years I've lost count of the times I've had to get a Thai girl out of my room, or do an you-turn while we we're getting there. Isn't nice and isn't fun, but it happens, normally as soon I realize I'm being manipulated or deceived.

The exact circumstances vary from slight funny to quite ugly. I will always remember a few, like the petite cutie, Sandee from Patong Beach which was a little tiger in bed, wrestling and rolling no stop from a position to another, that kept me entertained the first few times, until the very last night when I wanted just to have a decent fuck and sleep until it was time to to leave. I can't recall what disrespectful shit she came up with, but after a short warning she was out of the door with a very non-smiling face, of course having being paid the minimum agreed. She tried to take revenge later on when I became practically engaged to her friend, which thanks heaven had none of Sandee quirky attitude. She tried all she could to mess up things between us, but with no results. Eventually we got to know she got heavy on ya-ba and it became difficult to recognize her behind the dark glasses she used to hide a quite messed up look. A real pity, because she was blessed having with baby doll face and sexy tight body at the beginning.

Anyway, this trip I had just a slight incident of this type, with Mini (I think) that I had meet at the I-disco. She's around 25 and very slim (too small an ass unfortunately), one of the few with such a body type nowadays, straight red toned hair and a very pretty face with just an hint of skin trouble. In reality she gave a first negative signal when I picked her up, after agreeing to 2 K she wanted by all means waste some more time at Flexx where I paid a round for 300 Bt. She said she wanted to meet a friend, but when that fattie showed up they must have had an argument or something, because they weren't close at all. Anyway she was mannered, in bed it was all good and she provided without a fuss, so when I ran again into her the following night at Lucifer I didn't hesitated to grab her again. There my only mistake was to get a Vodka bottle which with sodas set me back 2. 5 K. About 3 am we agreed to be out at 4, but then at 4:15 she was still there half dancing and dragging her foot. Told her that I was leaving anyway, she said go ad so I did, grabbed my bottle and left it with the bartender, they can keep it for you up to 2 months. Eventually at I-bar, by the patio I found the better company of Tulek, a sweet young Laotian, she has a sexy small body, friendly and good at all except speaking english and sucking cock. Oh well.

This type of incidents happens all the time especially with free-lancers, as some of them think they are free to fool customers. I'm always surprised when I see guys arguing with a Thai woman in the street or wherever. That is so unnecessary, just give here any money still due and move on. A better another is awaiting nearby.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2226470]The talent seems to have improved quite a bit at some of the bars. A couple of pics from Pussy Club and Where Angels Play really caught my eye. Unfortunately, I don't see a window to hit Pattaya anytime soon this year. And that is solely because I have been busy elsewhere. It will be a shame to break a 2 decade record.[/QUOTE]I see photos on Facebook too of some bars and it takes quite a few visits before spotting some of these girls. I don't bother asking for the girl I just figure I come go back the next day. There was one I loved in the photo at Lucky Love. Took over a month to find her. Very disappointing. Way too skinny even though another ISG member warned me she was skinny.

Walked through again 3:30 pm this afternoon. MANY overweight ones today. Talent was even worse than Tuesday at 1:30 pm or so. Not really more girls either and this is Saturday. All my regulars seem to be missing but I was looking for new gems anyways. I like 2 I have never spoken with at Pussy Club and have a regular as well but none there. Paid particular attention to Where Angels Play. Maybe 8-10 girls and nothing that I think would pass Blancqui standards.

Some tough sledding in Pattaya these days and I have loved September and October the past 2 years. No consistency here but we all knew that. I may have to end my gogo bar break much sooner than I thought. I don't know how some of you guys do it not visiting gogo bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2227408]I see photos on Facebook too of some bars and it takes quite a few visits before spotting some of these girls. I don't bother asking for the girl I just figure I come go back the next day. There was one I loved in the photo at Lucky Love. Took over a month to find her. Very disappointing. Way too skinny even though another ISG member warned me she was skinny.

Walked through again 3:30 pm this afternoon. MANY overweight ones today. Talent was even worse than Tuesday at 1:30 pm or so. Not really more girls either and this is Saturday. All my regulars seem to be missing but I was looking for new gems anyways. I like 2 I have never spoken with at Pussy Club and have a regular as well but none there. Paid particular attention to Where Angels Play. Maybe 8-10 girls and nothing that I think would pass Blancqui standards.

Some tough sledding in Pattaya these days and I have loved September and October the past 2 years. No consistency here but we all knew that. I may have to end my gogo bar break much sooner than I thought. I don't know how some of you guys do it not visiting gogo bars.[/QUOTE]BB this is the one that really caught my eye. Surely you have seen this picture too on FB.

IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2226647]A few have pointed out that some of my postings only have pics of the girls lifted from the website, so perhaps then the whole encounter was all a fantasy. So now I have resorted to finding stunt doubles for the girls. I was able to find a girl who sorta maybe looks like Mook from Sapphire to pose for some photos for me. I only had to pay her a free meal. All to make the story above more believable. I think I did a decent job. The random girl looks maybe 70-80% like Mook? You can compare yourself.[/QUOTE]This could be a very interesting pastime for some people who have nothing better to do than criticize and find faults with others posts. I am reminded of the childhood puzzle "Spot 10 differences".

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227427]IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.[/QUOTE]I can afford it and my white face has no trouble getting inside Go Go bars. Except why would I pay 1000-1500 baht Barfine + drinks while I can get a girl from ThaiFriendly for the price of a barfine in my hotel room without even having to go out? I really struggle to see the appeal in Go Gos anymore now. They were fun a couple of times but I find the price / quality to be underwhelming.

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2227495]I can afford it and my white face has no trouble getting inside Go Go bars. Except why would I pay 1000-1500 baht Barfine + drinks while I can get a girl from ThaiFriendly for the price of a barfine in my hotel room without even having to go out? I really struggle to see the appeal in Go Gos anymore now. They were fun a couple of times but I find the price / quality to be underwhelming.[/QUOTE]Are you in any way suggesting that the girls you get from TF are comparable to the top girls inside the top Gogo bars?

For sake of clarity, we are talking about looks and body. Attitude, chemistry and performance are entirely subjective. YMMV was coined for this very purpose.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227427]IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.[/QUOTE]Or Cheap Charlie's.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227427]BB this is the one that really caught my eye. Surely you have seen this picture too on FB.

IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.[/QUOTE]Yes I am pretty sure I have spotted that girl on Soi 6.

Another fly by Soi 6 last night at 6 pm. More girls than a bit earlier but still nothing spectacular. One of my girls has decided to move to one of those mixed girl / ladyboy bars. I asked her why and she said because she is the only hot girl there. Met up with our mutual friend at Pussy Club. Talent so bad I decided food was more important.

I have also walked through Soi 25 a couple times this past week. Is it me or are there more and more ladyboys on that street. Nothing of any interest. Spotted a couple of half decent one on Soi Honey. Can't remember if it was at Paradise or Up to You. Also was one part way down the soi past those 2 places. I notice that Paradise or Up to You has some ladyboys now too.

One group of girls are the massage girls around Soi Buakhao and Soi Lengkee on the SE side beside the 7-11. 2 places and there can be a gem there at times. Spotted one but she was too busy eating and I saw her shoo an old Farang away. I'll check her out soon. The other massage place that can have ok girls is on the NW corner beside the Subway. Forgot the name but it starts with an 'A' and has a red sign. You can find a gem there on occasion.

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2227495]I can afford it and my white face has no trouble getting inside Go Go bars. Except why would I pay 1000-1500 baht Barfine + drinks while I can get a girl from ThaiFriendly for the price of a barfine in my hotel room without even having to go out? I really struggle to see the appeal in Go Gos anymore now. They were fun a couple of times but I find the price / quality to be underwhelming.[/QUOTE]Go-Gos are for guys who have no sense of value. The gogo girl private parts aren't better than the beer bar girl private parts, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2227665]Go-Gos are for guys who have no sense of value. The gogo girl private parts aren't better than the beer bar girl private parts, IMHO.[/QUOTE]I think the fundamental disconnect here is that you might be looking only to drop a load in some girl's private parts. Others might be looking for more.

Over the years I have had very good success with beer bar girls. In fact my reports detail them all. A few BMs have also seen my selections. But the downside to this is the amount of leg work it takes to find that diamond in the rough. I have in one of my previous posts also admitted that beer bar girls are the best VFM, but not necessarily top shelf girls.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227427]...IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.[/QUOTE]Well, your opinion is off. I have taken more than 20 trips to Pattaya over the past 20 years or so. I loved the gogo bars at the beginning, as they had the most eye candy. But over the past 6 or 7 years, the value just was not there anymore. One has to spend an arm and a leg to get a girl out of a gogo bar. I still visit them once in a while for the fun of it, but rarely take a girl from there anymore.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2227665]Go-Gos are for guys who have no sense of value. The gogo girl private parts aren't better than the beer bar girl private parts, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Some gogo girl private parts can appear better but are not always available.

I saw a girl outside Pandas Go-Go I loved) went in and ordered drinks. I was later told this girl does not barfine. Waste of time.

Last visited Pattaya 3 years back. Been some changes since. Still Russian Tourists bringing money to Pattaya. NB All the Russian dancers are strictly above board, no take outs )

What was noticeable is there's now 3 or 4 quite substantial Indian clubs right on Walking st. The biggest is Nashaa which has 2 PR areas where some Western girls hang out. Loud Indian Music and Indian men dancing wildly on stages. Just a few working girls. Not my scene. Those Indian Clubs would pack out maybe 2 thousand Indians every night. With these clubs theres a noticeable influx of Indian Tourists. Many, many more packing out Walking st. Some of them come with problems.

Saw one drunk fat Indian grope a Thai Girl and then when she responded he tried to slap her. All this was right on Walking st. Wow. I couldn't believe it. 3 Thai Mamas came from no-where and he took some real kickboxing to the head and body. These women could really fight. He just wouldn't walk away and drunkenly stood there with his fists up so they did him again and again. What a dumb fuck. His Indian mate was trying trying to join in, I stopped that, I just pushed him away.

Theres a cultural conflict there. The Western 'volunteer' police should be addressing this. I repeatedly saw Indians making nasty comments and harassing girls right on Walking st. Its not the Russian's or Expats causing a lot of problems. Maybe they need an Indian 'Volunteer' policeman ))

Indians complain all over Thailand they don't get into a lot of Clubs. Now I can understand why they don't let them in) LOL. MIXX Bangkok rarely lets them in. MIXX Pattaya is sometimes that way to. Was in MIXX Pattaya last week, theres a mix of non-working tourists there. Saw three Indians who just couldn't understand there were just Russian tourist girls on a night out and kept harassing them. The bar staff actually had to push off the Indians to the other side the venue. And then they had a big angry sulk.

In Bangkok taxi drivers get a commission if they takes passengers to 'Shock89'. So they take Western tourists there seeking a dance club. Its an Indian Club. Again the Indians can't tell the difference between working and non-working. Saw one little Indian groping an Aussie girls butt right on the dance stage. Her boyfriend just pushed him head first off the stage. Sorry I laughed.

Excuse my rant, its just cultural. Thailand is not India. They need to understand that

Cheers Nickc.

I do have some PM info regards some non-Thai girls if interested).

I arrived Tuesday and am having a Blast. There's not enough guys on the ground and the girls are Hungry! They're making me feel like a han-sum man. I keep getting pulled into Soi 6 bars like never before. LOL Best start to my Pattaya trip yet.

[QUOTE=Nickc;2227785]Some gogo girl private parts can appear better but are not always available.

SNIP

I do have some PM info regards some non-Thai girls if interested).[/QUOTE]How is this post in any way contributing to the discussion? Perhaps best to move it to the thread specifically set up as Advise for Indians visiting Thailand.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227427]
IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Point taken. Guys look for "Value" is another way of saying they do not have unlimited funds.

Then becomes a simple choice do I want one fuck with the non value hottie that is a lot of fun, or do I want fucks on two separate occasions with a bargain basement girl (or we could get 3 fucks with a street walker).

Simple choice of choosing quality or quantity just Like I do for my coffee. So far I can afford a better quality coffee, but always look for a good special deal. Am I going to pass up a top wine because it is 3 times the price of the house ordinary taste red? Probably not.

Am I going to pass up a super girl just because she costs me double an el cheapo girl or maybe even triple the street walker. No way. I would take her once in 3 days instead of the street walker 3 times. I try it all, but so far the street walkers are not so memorable. One was even a really good fuck but saggy body. Got bored when she started to want more money because I was not quick, and bored with her looks anyway. So quit her. No keepers. I do find keepers in the gogo bars.

Others don't give a shit about quality of the looks, and want value. We can't complain. Each to their own priority. Obviously the rich man is not so value conscious, his money won't run out soon. The value guys keep trying to argue the price should be the same for the service, regardless if girl is stunner or a hag. Obviously this is dumb assertion. Price is not performance based at all. We have to just accept it, or simply reject the higher cost which many do.

Japanese guys rule the market these days, am I wrong, and they are dominating the gogos that I have been to recently. So whatever the look thy want and the price they are happy to pay. I see some bars have very few Farangs in there. The scene must be does not suit them much any more. My version of value superior girls is getting hard to find. I take new girls less and less.

Reason is combination of cost, lack of time to take a gamble, fussiness, etc. And ability to evaluate the target in more detail. If the gogo girl was a real stunner and her personality okay, then I would take her like a shot, price no big deal. Just has to be sufficiently appealing.

If it just a piece of meat (like chuck steak) then guys want value. LOL Guys that are looking only for service could best lie back blind folded, and enjoy the sensations, but keep the hands off in case of finding something not appealing to the touch.

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2227495]I can afford it and my white face has no trouble getting inside Go Go bars. Except why would I pay 1000-1500 baht Barfine + drinks while I can get a girl from ThaiFriendly for the price of a barfine in my hotel room without even having to go out? I really struggle to see the appeal in Go Gos anymore now. They were fun a couple of times but I find the price / quality to be underwhelming.[/QUOTE]If it's that easy to get good experiences from TF girls at the price of a gogo barfine why on earth did you spend so much money on escort girls (I saw your report on the Smooci thread), given that you probably paid around 10 thousand bahts for so so girls on multiple occasions (yes I know how are the girls that are advertised on smooci, last year I sampled 4 of them, only one was a good pick) ? For the price you paid and the quality that you get from Smooci I'm sure that you could get a lot better from a gogo. The only downside is that you have to go there, chat the girl first and be ready to move to another place if you don't find what you want (but then it's still better than having a girl knocking at your door and looking nothing like the pictures that she did put on a website). As for TF, it's very much time consuming and you have to go through all the crap girls that are on the site for other reasons than yours.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227895]Then becomes a simple choice do I want one fuck with the non value hottie that is a lot of fun, or do I want fucks on two separate occasions with a bargain basement girl (or we could get 3 fucks with a street walker).[/QUOTE]Why is it assumed that the non value hottie is a lot of fun? Maybe the bargain basement girl is more fun. For some reason, you have also assumed that the bargain basement girl is not a hottie.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227895]Others don't give a shit about quality of the looks, and want value. We can't complain. Each to their own priority. Obviously the rich man is not so value conscious, his money won't run out soon. The value guys keep trying to argue the price should be the same for the service, regardless if girl is stunner or a hag. Obviously this is dumb assertion. [/QUOTE]Funny. I thought some of the richest guys in the game (Warren Buffet and Bill Gates) are value conscious, and their money is sure not to run out any sooner than all of ours put together.

This is where you shoot yourself in the foot. The problem that I find with your argument is that it assumes that every non value chick is a hottie. Anybody that has been in a gogo knows that the place is not full of hotties. Regular gogo goers on this board even complain that they can go into several and not find that hottie. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it the usual case for all chicks that work in the same gogo to go for, if not the same price then somewhat close to it?

So when all is said and done, you can also get a hag from a gogo and it will cost you the same as getting that hottie. In these venues cost has nothing to do with how the person looks as your post would have us believe. Your post is pretty faulty since it leads us to assume there are no hags where the non value chicks are found and there are no hotties where the bargain basement chicks can be found.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227895]Then becomes a simple choice do I want one fuck with the non value hottie that is a lot of fun, or do I want fucks on two separate occasions with a bargain basement girl (or we could get 3 fucks with a street walker).[/QUOTE]I really wish agogo bars were filled with hotties. Unfortunately, these days, a typical agogo rarely has even one girl that would favorably compare to any of the top 5 in a single BTS carriage. As for "a lot of fun", there's even less of a chance for that. In fact, I find that cheap girls are more fun, since I can pay them a meaningful extra if they perform, or cut my losses if they don't. The 1000 baht freelancer would happily spend another hour for a 500 baht tip, whereas the agogo girl making 3000 baht ST won't: it makes more sense to wrap it up quickly and look for another customer.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2227965]If it's that easy to get good experiences from TF girls at the price of a gogo barfine why on earth did you spend so much money on escort girls (I saw your report on the Smooci thread), given that you probably paid around 10 thousand bahts for so so girls on multiple occasions (yes I know how are the girls that are advertised on smooci, last year I sampled 4 of them, only one was a good pick) ? For the price you paid and the quality that you get from Smooci I'm sure that you could get a lot better from a gogo. The only downside is that you have to go there, chat the girl first and be ready to move to another place if you don't find what you want (but then it's still better than having a girl knocking at your door and looking nothing like the pictures that she did put on a website). As for TF, it's very much time consuming and you have to go through all the crap girls that are on the site for other reasons than yours.[/QUOTE]I worded myself badly in that post. I have been going on about barfines for about half of my short posting history, apologies for that. But with the price / quality I mentioned, I specifically meant the additional costs of visiting Go-Go bars which always add up on the side as well as other factors which I see as hassle. The barfine which now seems to be consistently over 1000 is a major deal breaker for me. I ain't fucking the barowner, why would I pay that when I can get a lay from TF. Then the drinks costs and lady drinks. Then the constantly hassle from mamas, and the girls begging for lady drinks for their 'sisters'. The horrible 'music'. Those Go-Gos with nudity and shows were fun to see as a first timer but now it got old too. It adds up to up to not enjoying the main selling point of the Go-Gos, meeting the girls and being able to assess them before asking for a takeaway that is.

I have as you rightfully noticed not much of a qualm spending more on a girl themselves. To a limit of course. Aint giving 10 k to a Freelancer for ST, I am not Japanese. That can largely be put down because I come here for holidays and not an expat (I have a hard time assessing if this forum is mostly long term residents or vacationers like me, but I feel the first). If I was living here, Smoochi would likely remain largely unused as I wouldn't be able to afford to smack down 10 k for a long time session constantly.

Apps like TF (and Smoochi in Bangkok for Escorts) give me convenience that I can just sit in my bath tub with a beer in my hand arranging my next bang. I was not longer than an hour at most busy with arranging the next bang. In Pattaya it is insanely easy, the WG's outnumber the non WG's by a vast majority. I tended to start arranging at a time between 12:00 to 15:00 at the latest for the night. That is when the best looking ones pop up in my experience. I also got myself premium (yep, I know I am complaining about barfines but get premium for a website). That is because the INSANE amount of messages they tend to get. You'll put on top of her inbox increasing the chance she notices you exponentially. Be polite, but also direct, asking for instance 'what are you here for on TF?' which nets you the answer you seek very soon and you don't waste too much time. I loved the directness ('I am a freelancer' on the third message LOL). I noticed that many of the better looking girls do have age limits set up which is usually somewhere in the forties. I do not know how negotiable that is though I doubt they would turn a man somewhat above that away when he presents himself properly.

In Bangkok it is different as there are many more non WG. This adds up to the time consumed but has its advantages, the chance of scoring a 'for free'. It definitely was not done in an hour like in Pattaya for me. The better approach there would be to build up some contacts before you arrive. I didn't because I was insanely busy at work before my holiday. Still managed to pull a freebie there but I feel that is more down to luck with my near to non existent game. I also understand why one can't be bothered to do that especially on a shorter trip. I opted for the Smoochi route there more often this time. Convenient, generally good experience barring the #3 I reviewed in the escorts thread. And relatively expensive. Up to you if you feel it is value, which seemingly from your experiences you do not.

To add to the gogo discussion. The Variable is the Girl. Last night I went to the Dollhouse. Found a Hottie, (to me.) At the club she said she would do LT for 3K. She was also showing me some luvin. All good at the gogo. Paid the 1100 BF. Back in the room, before the start of the prelims, she ask for payment. Smelling a setup, (read scam,) I Balked and only gave her 1k. Sure enough, she wasn't into the session, and started to dress upon completion. I felt rushed too. Gave her the other 1k and walked her out. Sure you can have a lame session at a G Club or on Soi 6, but at least you're no out 3k or more. Funny, met a chubby chick at one of the better WS gogo's wanting 4k ST, 6K LT last year. I was like What?!

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2228366]To add to the gogo discussion. The Variable is the Girl. Last night I went to the Dollhouse. Found a Hottie, (to me.) At the club she said she would do LT for 3K. She was also showing me some luvin. All good at the gogo. Paid the 1100 BF. Back in the room, before the start of the prelims, she ask for payment. Smelling a setup, (read scam,) I Balked and only gave her 1k. Sure enough, she wasn't into the session, and started to dress upon completion......[/QUOTE]How much time did she spend with you?

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2228268]I worded myself badly in that post. I have been going on about barfines for about half of my short posting history, apologies for that. But with the price / quality I mentioned, I specifically meant the additional costs of visiting Go-Go bars which always add up on the side as well as other factors which I see as hassle. The barfine which now seems to be consistently over 1000 is a major deal breaker for me. I ain't fucking the barowner, why would I pay that when I can get a lay from TF. Then the drinks costs and lady drinks. Then the constantly hassle from mamas, and the girls begging for lady drinks for their 'sisters'. The horrible 'music'. Those Go-Gos with nudity and shows were fun to see as a first timer but now it got old too. It adds up to up to not enjoying the main selling point of the Go-Gos, meeting the girls and being able to assess them before asking for a takeaway that is.

I have as you rightfully noticed not much of a qualm spending more on a girl themselves. To a limit of course. Aint giving 10 k to a Freelancer for ST, I am not Japanese. That can largely be put down because I come here for holidays and not an expat (I have a hard time assessing if this forum is mostly long term residents or vacationers like me, but I feel the first). If I was living here, Smoochi would likely remain largely unused as I wouldn't be able to afford to smack down 10 k for a long time session constantly.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean to judge your experiences and I'm glad that you enjoyed these girls, but I was just surprised that you put aside the agogos for the price of some ladydrinks and a barfine and at the same time took girls from a website at an expensive price. Now I understand that it's the whole atmosphere of the agogos that you don't like.

If you really like the LT with these website girls and price becomes a concern for you, I may suggest that you take the girl for a 2 h ST first (2 shots on smooci) and if you really like her and she feels comfortable with you, just ask for her contact (Line or phone number), and arrange a meeting with her without having to go through her so called agency. It will cost you a lot cheaper and if you don't like the girl you'll lose a lot less. This is how I did the last time, my first night I booked a girl (it was a first time for me) and I was surprised that she actually looked good and was very nice. After a few days and after meeting a few other girls I realized that I wanted to see that girl again. I then booked her again, and during the conversation I asked her how much she gave back to her agency (750 baht for a 3750 baht girl), finally we agreed that the next time I would contact her directly and give her just the 3000 baht. From that moment, every time she came she was staying for the whole night and it was a great experience. But surprisingly that girl was having very few bookings, she started that job a few weeks before I met her and stopped a few weeks later.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2228518]How much time did she spend with you?[/QUOTE]I didn't look at the clock, but I gusestimate 40 min once in the room.

The Palace Part 1.

I've been slacking on trying to catch up to reports and reviews of girls. I don't honestly see how some folks and experts on here have the time to do so many posts. I have been in Pattaya for over two weeks. The sex capital of the world and hedonist playground, I barely find time report. In my opinion, the more fucking you do, usually equates to the less time behind the keyboard. You don't become an "sexpert" by typing. You become one by doing. Now, since I don't do a report every day and on every girl that I fuck, the nice unique finds and gems are what I like to share. Now we all know, there's only one place where we can go. To see freaky hoes doing' shows. Doing' tricks to make us holler. On a giving night, all for a dollar. Silicone breasts, all on their chests. Nothing' like others, but above the rest. They'll do anything to turn us on. Them hoes got it going' on! And of course, the other night I found myself at Palace, still the #1 ranked Go Go bar again, around 8:15.

The waitress sat me next to a very eccentric and wired up American guy from Hawaii. Couldn't tell if he was on drugs or schizophrenic, but his mind and mouth were running about 100 mph. He had been to Palace, once in his life, a year ago. And has proclaimed himself a professional, knowing everything about what goes on in Palace and on Walking Street. Just to make sure, I did a quick fact check with him to test my new friend. I asked him, "What's the best club. I'm new to all this shit. " he replied anxiously "Living Dolls is the top club in Pattaya. So many hot Asian girls there. " I stared blankly at back at him. His response was enough for me. This guy definitely knew what he was talking about, or did he? I wanted to soak in all the expertise this guy had. For the rest of the time he was there, I just played along that I was a newbie, haven't a clue about Walking Street, nor the girls. Sometimes it's better to bite the lip, so you get the prize.

The guy kept me very entertained. I pointed to Fern #401, who was sitting alone. I told him that she was very hot, but I was too shy to talk to her. (I've barfined and fucked her before). He then tried calling her over for me, but she thought it was him asking and said "no." he said that the way it works is that I should buy her a drink in order for her to come. I told him I didn't know that. I told him I was horribly afraid to spend money on a girl who perhaps didn't like me. He said don't worry and he would pay for the drink for her to come sit with me. Very nice of him. So then I waived Fern over and she smiled, waltzed over shaking her little ass and sat down next to us. When she did, I pulled out this black mini bullet vibrator, turned it on, and ran it across her back to play with her. She shrieked and playfully hit me on my leg. Then I told her, I have a great idea. I'm going to share and hand a bunch of these toys out to some of the customers I see sitting with her model friends. I'm "sure" it will be fun for the girls and customers alike. She rolled her eyes at me and said "you very bad." I pointed to my cheek and told her to kiss it and I won't. Fern did. And that was that. I actually let her keep it and she went around the club, messing and tickling her friends. When she came back, Fern told me, many of her friends asked where she got it from. She would giggle at them and pointed at me. Then many of them then rolled their eyes at her and she didn't know why? I think because I've used those bullet vibrators on her friends' little pussies to make them cum, when I've barfined them in the past. I think they thought I had told Fern our bedroom secrets and was playing with them. There were many "oh my God" faces that night at Palace. But it was still fun.

Back to my buddy from America. For having a mood disorder, the guy was very nice. He was so agreeable to keep buying shots for Fern and even me. What's amazing is the whole time she sat next to us, she did not say a word to him. She is that good at what she does. She can sit next to you, get you to buy drinks for her, and not even say one word to you. She has that power over some. My favorite type of girl. When he finally paid his bill, he told us bye, but ran off too fast. The waitress then came back with his change and it was just me and Fern sitting there. I told waitress what's the problem? She said frantically, "friend you forget him change. " On the tray was about 700 or so baht. Ah, I'm thinking it must be another gift from my Guardian Angels. Little things like this happens to me all the time. I took 100 left it on the tray, took another 100 and handed it to the waitress. Fern pointed at her bra, and asked for the rest for tip. I made a blow job sign with my hand to her mouth and told her "sucky sucky?" She turned her head and just stuck her tongue out at me, so I'm thinking "probably no. " So the rest I kept for myself for lunch the next day. I figure it was my reward from God for being such a nice guy to our little friend from Hawaii.

To be continued.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2229137]I made a blow job sign with my hand to her mouth and told her "sucky sucky?" [/QUOTE]Just a tip. Repeated words are used in Thai occasionally (perhaps similar to Malaysian or Indonesian but less frequently), with basic Meaning "a lot" or "quite".

They will be adverbs or adjectives typically:

"maak maak" means quite a lot.

"boi boi" means quite often.

"glai glai" means quite close (with the right tone).

"same same" is a weird one (since not good English and not Thai either) but could mean very much the same. I suspect Thais copied this one from expats, most likely.

"sucky sucky" seems like pigeon English coming from some other country.

It's either a noun or a verb, and repeating it seems to just sound stupid to me, and possibly to Thais as well.

We don't do this in English.

I suppose it could be imitating the concept where Thais use: "boom boom" for a fuck euphemism but I never heard any Thai say "sucky sucky".

They would ask something like "you want sa-moke?" if trying to do English.

Many think smoke is the English word for suck (as for cigarettes). LOL.

Really we should also not use the term "same same" even if the Thais use it.

My this report is for lads who have never been to a BJ bar. I used to go to these BJ bars whenever I was in Pattaya. This is my recent experience.

The girls were sitting outside this bar on Soi 6 calling for customers over they were signaling every guy who pass over the bar. Went inside and towards back into a cubicle like thing covered with curtain with the girl that I have selected. She undressed my pants and started giving me BJ. Tip before she start tell her that you will give her 100 B if she does a good job. It helps if you know little bit of Thai and pay mamasan while you are walking out of bar.

She gave me an amazing BJ tipped her 100 B and 700 B for mamasan and left the place happily.

My this report is for lads who have never been to a BJ bar. I used to go to these BJ bars whenever I was in pattaya. This is my recent experience.

The girls were sitting outside this bar on Soi 6 calling for customers over they were signaling every guy who pass over the bar. Went inside and towards back into a cubicle like thing covered with curtain with the girl that I have selected. She undressed my pants and started. Just a tip try to convince her that you will tip her 100 B if she does a good job. It helps if you know little bit of Thai.

She cleaned my dick with some tissues before starting and she knows how to blow a dick guys one of amazing blow jobs I have had. Gave her 100 B and 700 B to mamasan and left the place happily.

I am not much of a BJ only person but I wouldn't mind paying 800 B for a good feeling BJ.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2229492]"sucky sucky" seems like pigeon English coming from some other country.[/QUOTE]Sucky sucky was popularized by the movie Full Metal Jacket about the Vietnam War (and the song Me So Horny by the 2 Live Crew). (Also a lesson in negotiating and not displaying valuables.) That is also where I got telling Beach Road chicks that 500 baht is all my mother allows me to spend.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuILfAZ3jWQ[/URL]

Some of you who are Soi 6 regulars will know this girl Tukta. I must have bonked her at least thrice when she used to work at Soi 6. Butterfly Bar if I remember right. I have not seen her in 2 years and it has been over a year that I visited Pattaya. And now she magically pops up at. Hold your breath. Sapphire. Now that is some serious upgrade. And I can see that she still has the same killer body that I so fondly remember.

Would I now pay a barfine equivalent to a sum that would get you a romp with her on Soi 6, and then another 3000 for ST? Yes, most definitely. Her face may not be the most attractive but she makes up for that with her body and with her performance.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2229629]Some of you who are Soi 6 regulars will know this girl Tukta. I must have bonked her at least thrice when she used to work at Soi 6. Butterfly Bar if I remember right. I have not seen her in 2 years and it has been over a year that I visited Pattaya. And now she magically pops up at. Hold your breath. Sapphire.[/QUOTE]I have always said that was the natural progression of things. Chicks come and start on Soi 6 then graduate to the gogos and discos. Many have disagreed but it has been proven once again. Same girl, different venue, different price.

[QUOTE=Carrib;689240]-or would you rather deal with beautiful young non-pros--say a hotel worker who lives far away? The marriott and their new bar (Moore) has some beautiful girls working there...THEY should be the object of your pursuits...

:([/QUOTE]You are quite arrogant in your opinion that all girls working in service outlets can be fucked cheaply.

Do you have any clue what it needs to be employed in a hotelchain like Mariott or Hilton in Thailand? I doubt! A Bachelors degree in HRM is the minimum. Even as waitress in their bar. Those girls come from middle class families and give a hoot to get fucked by a farang. They have their connections to well-to-do young local guys with a perspective to be highly recognized in their society.

So --you better stick with the bar girls or streetwalkers on beach road.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2229644]You are quite arrogant in your opinion that all girls working in service outlets can be fucked cheaply.

Do you have any clue what it needs to be employed in a hotelchain like Mariott or Hilton in Thailand? I doubt! A Bachelors degree in HRM is the minimum. Even as waitress in their bar. Those girls come from middle class families and give a hoot to get fucked by a farang. They have their connections to well-to-do young local guys with a perspective to be highly recognized in their society.

So --you better stick with the bar girls or streetwalkers on beach road.[/QUOTE]Dude. Women are women. Why are you putting them on a pedastal because of where they work or what kind of education they have? The ones that work in hotels and offices like to have fun as much as the next woman.

As luck would have it, I met Carrib a few years ago when he was in Pattaya and staying at the Marriott. Carrib I don't know if you remember the chick that was working in the lounge when you took me in there, but another board member, Pipelayer99, started fucking her soon after. It is not saying shit whether you are foreigner or local. Boy still meets girl and they do nasty things together.

P. S. Whether the girl at the Marriott had some kind of bachelors degree or whatever, I have no idea. But I do remember her living in some type of dorm that Marriott has for the workers. I don't know if you would call that middle class or highly recognized in society.

Part 2.

After Fern left, I decided to call on a new face that I haven't seen before. She had short hair, cute, slim, long legs and a nice round but tight ass in those itty bitty white shorts that they often wear at Palace. You can tell that she was a new girl because she did not have a badge. I pointed her out to mamasan and told her to ask the new girl to come down for a drink "if and only if" she wants to fuck me. Playing with Fern got my dick hard and I was ready to pound some pussy. I was in no mood to play drinking games with anybody. The girl took a quick glance at me, nodded, and was brought over to my table by mamasan. Her number was 69 and it was written on her hand. I didn't pay attention her name but she told me she previously worked some Miami Club (another a Go Go maybe? Goes university in BKK in weekdays, and that she just started, but things were not going so well. I asked her why and she replied that the Asian customers at Palace did not like her. She got barfined and fucked more from Westerners and farangs when she was at Miami. The only problem at working Miami was that she was only getting 1000 for short time and 2000 for long time. At Palace, the Asians would ask her about her pussy and when she told them it was "shaved and bare," they were turned off. A quick word out to my Asian brothers "bare, trimmed, shaved means clean. Don't be afraid of a nice clean smooth shaven pussy!" We did some more quick chat and she told me that she is considering returning back to Miami Club on the weekends in Pattaya. She would rather make a guaranteed few thousand bahts there getting fucked twice a night than have to drive down to Pattaya every weekend, come up empty handed at Palace, and not get any customers. I apparently was her first customer in 6 days of dancing at Palace. On top of that, she has to pay the Palace each day 300 baht to work, so she's been negative in money.

Also she told me that on weekdays in Bangkok she works next to the Hooters and stand across from Nana Plaza. Her fuck and suck rate there is only 1000 short time, and she cannot do long time in BKK because of class. Asked her why she didn't dance at Nana? She said she likes working in front of Nana because of flexibility with school. Anyways though she was only 22 years old, I could tell she was a frisky wild kitten in bed by how dirty she talked. Just for fun, I asked her if she knows what her dance number 69, means when it comes to sex? She said, "Yes, you put your cock in my mouth and lick my pussy at the same time. " From her looks, she had a certain innocence about her, so I just wanted to make sure that she knew what the hell she was getting into by telling her I like it and if she was willing. "I'll probably cum in your mouth," I said. She shrugged, giggled and said, "That's OK, I think cum in yours. " My type of girl. This is where it got a little weird because her pricing was cheaper than the other girls I normally take. She said she was happy with and wanted only 2000 (I figure that it was twice what she usually asked for at Miami, so she was okay with that) for herself ST, if I was willing to pay 1500 barfine (LT rate), so she didn't have to come back to work. That's 3500 total. Normally at Palace, it's 1000 barfine and 3000 for the ST with girl, totaling 4000. I called mamasan over for a quick chat and since it was me, she didn't have to come back and I still only paid 1000 for the barfine. Very convenient to be able to cash in those Monkeypaw privilege points at Palace.

Back in room and after showering, I insisted we keep the lights on. She thought for a moment and then, after making sure his drapes were completely drawn, she nodded her head. Fucking wow, when she stripped off the towel, I couldn't believe my eyes. I knew her body was already white, tight, slim, and toned. But between her long legs was one of the most prettiest pussies I've even seen. She had it shave completely smooth, aside from a small landing strip, with no stubbles, or blemishes. Her pussy folds and lips had the perfect color not too dark and blended in with her light skin tone. I ordered her to crawl up and position herself over me in doggy style. She did so and smiled seductively while turning back to look at me, when I parted her legs, and gently squeezed my face between them. I was about to start flicking my tongue up and down her pussy but then stopped abruptly as she gently took my dick in her hand and guided it into her mouth. At the club, I told her that I wanted us to cum at the same time when we talked about 69 ing and she said she will cum in my mouth as well. So of course, the whole object of this is for us to try and cum together at the same time. I wanted her to tell me when she was close to finishing and if I wasn't near cumming, I would have to slow down the intensity when eating her pussy. Same with me, if I was close and she wasn't, she would do the same. So for the next hour we went at each other licking, sucking, biting, and tongue fucking like a little game. We also let our fingers and hands roam about and explored each other. We both were very vocal because timing and communication was so important. Trying to cum at the same time during 69 is not fucking easy. A few times we both had to slow down in order for the other one to catch up. At times I did my best to concentrate on licking and sucking her pussy but at times it was difficult.

Around that hour mark, coincidentally we both yelled out "I come soon" at the same time. I told her maybe 1 minute and she said "same same. " We kept with that same tit for tat intensity on each other with tongues and mouths. It wasn't long before I felt myself cumming and I increased the speed of my pussy flickering. She was beginning to make all kinds of noises, like as if she was talking with her mouth full, and then her legs started to tremble. I could feel my thick goo moving up and also that she was about to cum, so I gave it everything I got. I grabbed the back of her head down onto my dick to push it deeper as I shot my hot load into her mouth. She gave off a muffled scream due to the fact my cock was still wedged inside of her throat. A split second later she had, what could only be described as, a "giant" orgasm as she screamed even more loudly and choked on my cum at the same time. I released her head from my grip and watched as the rest of jizz just sort of oozed from her mouth. She was a champ! When her body had stopped shaking, she turned around back to me, exhausted and tried to kiss me. My senses kicked in and my natural reaction, I pushed her off the side of the bed. Fuck that, "homey don't play that shit. " So truth be told, she was definitely down with 69, plus some other things. I grabbed a condom and when showered, I snuck in. During our clean up together, I was able to bend her over in the shower for some stand up doggy. I grabbed her ass and had her stand on her tippy toes as I fucked her like this for about 15 minutes. Even though I didn't cum again, I enjoyed messing up her hair and getting it all wet. Getting clean is always fun if you make it fun. Even when you use soap (your know).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2229640]I have always said that was the natural progression of things. Chicks come and start on Soi 6 then graduate to the gogos and discos. Many have disagreed but it has been proven once again. Same girl, different venue, different price.[/QUOTE]This definitely happens. I have had many gogo girls come to me and ask if I remember them and I say no. They say they used to work at so and so soi 6 bar and I used to session with so and so.

Also bumped into a girl I picked up at red car on LK metro. She says she works at one of the gogo bars there but she would come over for 1500 LT on her day off. Cutest girl I ever met at red car. Then she started Lining me. Couldn't believe she still had my Line after over 2 years.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2197404]Kwan has taken the top spot in my opinion. Kwan now has the hottest body on Walking Street now. She jumps over Fine from Baccara because Kwan's is all natural and she hasn't had any surgery done to any part of her body. Her boobs have grown since I last saw her about a year ago. Kwan's tits are an all natural firm full the cup. She dances topless so it's easy to judge them. She doesn't need or want implants. I'm pretty sure all of these girls with or without boob jobs wished they had her tits. Not only are they big, perky, and firm, but there is also no sag whatsoever. Her face is also cute and the ass is the right size and firmness for me. Each time I have taken her it was a 2000 barfine, 5 drinks (my choice), and 5000 (model rates are up the models) for short time. By the way I've seen models in there, especially show models go for as high as 10,000 short time. Honestly, the reason I like to take her from the club although I have her LINE ID, is because of the entertainment she brings to me for the entire night.... SNIP[/QUOTE]Previously I wrote up a report about Kwan, one of my favorite and top girls when she worked What's Up Club. She was a show model, so it cost me 2000 barfine plus 5000 for her, not including drinks. She's hot and fun, but expensive. I ran across her again last night but at Panda Club. Crazy thing is she's not a model there and it's only 1500 plus 3000 and drinks for her at Panda. Crazier than crazy is that while we were talking, she tells me on weekends, she goes back to Huay Kwang in Bangkok and sometimes works Thermae. So weekends at Thermae, she charges 3000, no barfine, no drinks for short time 2 hours. It's all about timing and the venue she chooses to work at. She ssaid something to the fact that if her and her friends want to go party in BKK, they will stop at Thermae around 9, and by 10:30, they will each have gotten paid the money they need for the night to go out. It's like an ATM with one hour wait time at Thermae for her. Anyways, fucked her again last night. Similar performance to the above review, so no need to do again. She is still #1 ranked for me in terms of body and looks and only 21 years old.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2229640]I have always said that was the natural progression of things. Chicks come and start on Soi 6 then graduate to the gogos and discos. Many have disagreed but it has been proven once again. Same girl, different venue, different price.[/QUOTE]Mr. E is right. It's about when and where.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2229644]You are quite arrogant in your opinion that all girls working in service outlets can be fucked cheaply. SNIP [/QUOTE]Did you notice that you are responding to a post from 2008?

I decided to make a quick pit stop in Thailand after some time elsewhere in Asia. Hadn't been to Pattaya yet, so even though it was a pain in the ass for a 1 night trip I bit the bullet.

Logistics note: I used Pattaya Express limo - 2800 Baht round trip. Nice vehicles, door to door service from airport, etc. Ride to Pattya was about 90 min at 10 am and about 75 min back leaving at 7 AM.

After getting settled into the hotel and grabbing lunch, Soi 6 was just starting to wake up. Took the stroll and picked one towards the end. Drained a couple 80 Baht beer and up to the room. BBBJ, CFS, and finished CIM with a petite Thai girl. Some good fun but nothing I couldn't have got staying closer to BKK.

Was a tourist the rest of the afternoon getting ready for things to heat up on Walking Street. The first and only place I stopped was Windmill. Over the course of the next several hours I would spend a lot of money but get the best value of my mongering career!

It was pretty quiet at 8 PM when I arrived but after about 20 min a stunning petite princess sat down next to me and immediately began stroking my cock. At that point I was sure I would bar fine that girl, but fate had something else in store. I got her a lady drink for 180 Baht, which I didn't think was too bad. BTW the Heineken I was drinking was 160 Baht. All this time, two girls on the main stage were catching my eye. They were laying on the stage with a foam dildo connecting them. They looked to be having a lot of fun. Before too long my girl had to go dance 4 songs and the girls who had been on stage made a beeline to me. It was still pretty early and there probably were less than 10 guys in the place. Immediately the first one girl, a very petite early 20's at most stunner, grabbed my beer and inserted it about an inch into her trimmed pussy. After several strokes she hands it back to me with a big smile. I would later find out that her name is Nana. Her friend Kaew, a slightly more curvy early twenties girl sat down on the other side and shoved her hands down my pants. For some reason after a couple minutes the girls stood up and started dancing around. At that point Nana's pussy is right in front of me. I stuck out my tongue jokingly and Nana immediately jams her pussy in my face. She commenced to grind her pussy and ass into my face for a good 3 min. Sometime while that was happening Kaew had taken out my cock and deep throat it a couple times. Before too long girl #1 was back and Nana and Kaew had to dance. Girl #1 tried hard, but now I couldn't get my mind off of Nana and Kaew. After several more beers, lady drinks, and girls coming and going I was back with Nana and Kaew stoking their clits and ready to bar fine. 1000 Baht each for the fine. The girls wanted 2500 Baht a piece for the action but they settled for 2000 ea. I didn't negotiate too hard as I didn't want to spoil the festive atmosphere. We stopped at rooftop bar with a nice view on the way back and shared a bottle of champagne. At that point the girls were having a blast and ready for fun. To save you all the boring details, the best way I can describe them that night was full PSE / full GFE. Imagine recreating all the best porn scenes you've seen with two girls and you'the be pretty close. Total damage for girls was 6000 Baht, and I spend another 1000 Baht in beers and lady drinks. As you can probably tell, I highly recommend you look these girls up.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2229644]You are quite arrogant in your opinion that all girls working in service outlets can be fucked cheaply.

SNIP

So --you better stick with the bar girls or streetwalkers on beach road.[/QUOTE]That is some serious RTFF in action. Responding to post from 10 years ago! Reminiscing the old times, eh?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2229927]That is some serious RTFF in action. Responding to post from 10 years ago! Reminiscing the old times, eh?[/QUOTE]He did not know for sure! Accidentally had the forum in ascending sort sequence LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2229984]He did not know for sure! Accidentally had the forum in ascending sort sequence LOL.[/QUOTE]And may be he didn't noticed because of to many action and a bit tired. 😊.

[QUOTE=Custom404;2229904]Was a tourist the rest of the afternoon getting ready for things to heat up on Walking Street. The first and only place I stopped was Windmill. Over the course of the next several hours I would spend a lot of money but get the best value of my mongering career!

It was pretty quiet at 8 PM when I arrived but after about 20 min a stunning petite princess sat down next to me and immediately began stroking my cock. At that point I was sure I would bar fine that girl, but fate had something else in store. I got her a lady drink for 180 Baht, which I didn't think was too bad. BTW the Heineken I was drinking was 160 Baht. All this time, two girls on the main stage were catching my eye. They were laying on the stage with a foam dildo connecting them. They looked to be having a lot of fun. Before too long my girl had to go dance 4 songs and the girls who had been on stage made a beeline to me. It was still pretty early and there probably were less than 10 guys in the place..[/QUOTE]Very nice report. Windmill's Facebook has pics of all their girls working with their numbers. Do you mind showing us the photos of which girls you took? I'm always curious to see the tastes of others, especially you said there was an "at most a stunner" at a Windmill. Last night, I was there too, upstairs. I did the unthinkable. Something that I thought I'the never do in my entire life. I spent a over 7,000 baht there, barfined, and fucked the shit out of a Windmill girl. I looked down on that club, but after 300 or so girls from other WS clubs, finally, Windmill got some love from me. Yes, the apocalypse is still coming. Report to come soon on Monkeypaw's Windmill adventure. Anyways, thanks to BB for introducing me to Windmill and help making me a little brave to walk in that very first time.

Had my maiden trip to Pattaya on last week of Aug (I know its a month late).

Stayed in Pattaya Blue Sky hotel, very good choice. Nice location near to beach and Soi6.

Day 1: Got ample rest in the morning hours, had nice lunch. Got a very good oil massage on the second road, 100 m from the hotel in the afternoon. Headed to Soi6 around 9 pm, walked back and forth to get a good look at the talent available. I have to admit that it is a different experience altogether (little intimidating as well, to see so many girls with singular objective). Never experienced this before (traveled Malaysia, USA, Vietnam, Indonesia). Casually stopped at Lust bar and I don't know how it happened but one petite lady held my hand as if I know her already and took me inside the bar. Did not really get a chance to react. Decided to go with the flow. She is 21, average looking, very friendly (big plus), no English at all. Got her couple of drinks, she gave a nice lap dance. Headed to short time with her after couple of drinks. Had very nice time with her. Came out of the bar around 12 midnight and decided to sleep for the rest of the night but got pulled into red-point bar by a cutie. She is 24, little chubbier but very cute face (I have a thing for cute face, can compromise a lot for this). Started having drinks with her, she is not shy at all, asked if I need BJ or not. I obliged after couple of drinks and had a good time with her. Got this girls number before leaving the bar. Prices are same as what is already covered in this forum (ST 1000 + barfine around 300/350 + drinks if any).

Day 2: Around 3 pm in the afternoon, cutie from red-point bar messaged "Hi". I asked if she can come over to the hotel. Surprisingly, she agreed and came to hotel in 30 minutes. She became much more friendly this time and spent 3 hours with me. Paid 2500 for her time (she did not quote any price). After she left, got another nice oil massage at the same place on second road. Chose the same girl (from Cambodia) but got much better massage this time (maybe, previous tip of 100 be helped). Her English is good to keep a conversation, she suggested places to see, 808 club etc. Noted them down to try later. Watched the Tiffany show (last show of the day) - it is a very different experience. Felt tired and slept around 11 pm.

Day 3: Went to coral islands in the day time, it is indeed crowded as noted in the online forums. Liked the scenic beach. Back to Soi6 around 9 pm. While walking, same girl at Lust bar caught hold of me and I obliged out of politeness (newbie, still learning). After couple of drinks, she asked if I want her for long time and I politely told no, atleast I thought so. But when the bill came, I realized she added the LT bar fine and went inside to change the dress, Once again I decided to go with the flow. Afterall, I was there for having a good time. Walked to hotel, showered together, had a crazy session for an hour. Went to dinner together, walked on the beach road, I tried to have a conversion but no success because of my non-existent Thai. Went back to hotel, had another great session and slept in each other's arms. She left around 9 am in the morning.

Day 4: Finally, decided to try the world famous Walking Street. Oh, boy, it is an Adult Disney land. I decided to do gogo-bar hopping. Had drinks at Palace, SugarBaby, Atlantis, Sensations. Spent more than 5 hours in these bars, lost count of the beers / tequila shots. Except Palace agogo, rest of the places are not crowded. Too much of selection for a sex-starved person like me. Girls are very friendly as long as drinks are flowing. As expected, SugarBaby had couple of girls dancing without clothes, bathtub where few girls took turns to take shower. Had to end this crazy night around 3 am, wallet felt lighter by 12000 b.

Day 5: Directly went to Sugarbaby, around 10 pm to barfine a girl. Had couple of drinks, bought drinks for few girls to test their attitude. One of them clicked. She is cute, short hair. Asked Mamasan for LT barfine, 1000 be + 4000 be for the girl. Enjoyed the rest of the night. She left around 6 am.

Day 6: Sugarbaby again. Same girl, could not resist.

Day 7: Walked around couple of gogo bars, I saw one fair, tall girl walking into Sugarbaby. Followed her and asked Mamasan (I know them well now due to two prior visits). Barfined her LT (1 k + 4 k for the girl) - best thing that I did, she is a white tiger with pink nipples. Friendly girl, little English and not much conversation happened anyway during the night.

Overall, had an amazing trip. I was always skeptical about visiting Pattaya for various reasons like racism (I am an Indian), too touristy etc. But I don't feel like that anymore. I did not feel any racism. No one stopped me from entering any bar. Girls surrounded and pushed for drinks as expected. Planning for another trip in mid-October.

Excellent report, Lookatworld. Glad you had tremendous success as a concerned Indian. Luckily the clubs allowed you in. 12,000 baht spent in a single night!

Just some advice to a newbie Pattaya guy. Don't fall in to the trap of getting hooked on a single girl or bar. Try out all the bars and many more girls. If you still like the original girl after that then you can go back to her.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2230175] Anyways, thanks to BB for introducing me to Windmill and help making me a little brave to walk in that very first time.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the dark side. Next time it's Wildcats.

About 10 years ago I stayed in an upscale resort type hotel near the waterfront and within a few blocks of Walking street. I liked the semi quiet location away from the hustle of WS.

Can't remember the name of the place, but think it might have been a Marriott. Nice small pool and lush tropical gardens. Multilevel but probably not more than 5 or 6 floors.

Anyone help me out here? Would like to return. I like the look of Royal Wing Suites and Spa which is rated #1 on Tripadvisor, but it seems a little far from Walking street. No problem with cost.

Xdentx, wrong forum but there really are no luxury hotels near Walking Street. I'm guessing that you are referring to Siam Bayshore Resort but I'm certain that has aged since 10 years ago.

Royal Wing Suites is very nice so are Royal Cliff and Intercontinental nearby. All in Pratumnak Hill so taxi is needed but since it doesn't appear you are on a budget taxi fare should not affect your decision. Those pratumnak hill hotels are less than 10 minutes from Walking Street. In pattaya itself there is Dusit Thani on the baht bus route. A favorite of guys on here and within walking distance to Walking Street is Baraquda on Second Road. No where near the class of the other listed hotels but a nice hotel conveniently located for Walking street, LK metro, soi 6,etc.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2230439]Excellent report, Lookatworld. Glad you had tremendous success as a concerned Indian. Luckily the clubs allowed you in. 12,000 baht spent in a single night!

Just some advice to a newbie Pattaya guy. Don't fall in to the trap of getting hooked on a single girl or bar. Try out all the bars and many more girls..[/QUOTE]Being Indian origin too, I don't think I am that concerned FWIW. There is plenty of fish as they say everywhere especially in LOS. Went to Pattaya first time in 2012. Soi 6 used to be mainly a day time BJ thing. Also picked up a few beach road gals usually as a precursor to the evening in WS. Evenings were spent on walking street, picked up a real early 20's stunner from one of the beer bars on WS who I used to hang out late evening-night for the remainder of my stay, about 4 days (was there for a week). She was supposedly recently (a month or so) arrived from Isaan. She was never greedy and always the lady! She asked me to take her shopping once but she only bought one dress! I did pay her every time but do not recall now how much. One evening she asked me to take her to Baccara since she had never been there and neither had I so we went. While we were going in she was having some conversation with the Thai door guy. Later she tells me that she was asking him how many times I have come there, but the guy told her that Indians are discouraged. And she showed some disapproval about that at least in front of me. Anyways we had a few drinks and then left. I did go to another go-go bar the next day (don't remember the name) and the guy at the entrance was starting to say something so I just told him I'm from the US and he waved me in, maybe a slow evening for them, I could care less. Usually now I mainly stay in BKK, just like the food and the scene better. Also never had a problem getting into any club or bar in BKK so far.

However, I did visit Pattaya again during Songkran five years later in 2017. First night, I went to the I-bar disco or whatever it is called. Got a drink and was trying to find a table. It was crowded as hell. I see this girl keep staring at me from a table as I walked by. She was with another girl and two guys. Suddenly she left the table and came and hugged me. Guess what she turned out to be the same gal who I had taken shopping and Bacarra etc and spent four nights with her, 5 years ago. Apparently, she was now a seasoned pro WG at the disco. But five years had taken a toll and she was a ghost of her former self with a lot of make up etc. But still okay attractive. I did end up going with her for a couple of nights but that was it. I moved on although she did want to hang out me for the rest of my stay. I believe that back in 2012 she was excellent material for long term hook ups but now all this time in Pattaya had done a real number on her. Felt a little sad for her though, she was still a good girl although bereft of her early innocence.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2230485]Xdentx, wrong forum but there really are no luxury hotels near Walking Street. I'm guessing that you are referring to Siam Bayshore Resort but I'm certain that has aged since 10 years ago.

Royal Wing Suites is very nice so are Royal Cliff and Intercontinental nearby. All in Pratumnak Hill so taxi is needed but since it doesn't appear you are on a budget taxi fare should not affect your decision. Those pratumnak hill hotels are less than 10 minutes from Walking Street. In pattaya itself there is Dusit Thani on the baht bus route. A favorite of guys on here and within walking distance to Walking Street is Baraquda on Second Road. No where near the class of the other listed hotels but a nice hotel conveniently located for Walking street, LK metro, soi 6,etc.[/QUOTE]If he mentioned old Marriott then it's Avanni. It's supposedly not girl friendly, but there is a way around that. I've stayed and taken girls back, no problem. But you have to know your way around that resort and avoid the night security and front desk. I'm just wondering why the poster did Google this up?

[QUOTE=Xdentx;2230474]About 10 years ago I stayed in an upscale resort type hotel near the waterfront and within a few blocks of Walking street. I liked the semi quiet location away from the hustle of WS. Can't remember the name of the place, but think it might have been a Marriott. Nice small pool and lush tropical gardens. Multilevel but probably not more than 5 or 6 floors.[/QUOTE]I think you are referring to the former Marriott behind Royal Garden Plaza. However this hotel is now called Avani and it's not girl friendly anymore.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2230439] Welcome to the dark side. Next time it's Wildcats.[/QUOTE]In about ten years, when the Asian invasion has completed and all the good looking girls are working in Asian-only agogo's and the farang are left with the dregs, we will sip our beers in some shabby bar in Soi 6, molested by fugly 40+ 'girls', and say: remember the times when there were still stunners in Windmill and Wildcats?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2229851]Previously I wrote up a report about Kwan, one of my favorite and top girls when she worked What's Up Club. She was a show model, so it cost me 2000 barfine plus 5000 for her, not including drinks. She's hot and fun, but expensive. I ran across her again last night but at Panda Club. Crazy thing is she's not a model there and it's only 1500 plus 3000 and drinks for her at Panda. Crazier than crazy is that while we were talking, she tells me on weekends, she goes back to Huay Kwang in Bangkok and sometimes works Thermae. So weekends at Thermae, she charges 3000, no barfine, no drinks for short time 2 hours. It's all about timing and the venue she chooses to work at. She ssaid something to the fact that if her and her friends want to go party in BKK, they will stop at Thermae around 9, and by 10:30, they will each have gotten paid the money they need for the night to go out. It's like an ATM with one hour wait time at Thermae for her. Anyways, fucked her again last night. Similar performance to the above review, so no need to do again. She is still #1 ranked for me in terms of body and looks and only 21 years old.
Mr. E is right. It's about when and where.[/QUOTE]These angels like to party. Some hit on Arabs for $$ short time and then hit the night clubs. They want to enjoy life and make money along the way. That is why they are called good time girls. Though your friend is pretty, her tattoo makes her look as cheap as she is. Fancy the fools who take hardware for her as a trophy wife now or when she has another few years on the clock.

I am back in Pattaya for a week before home to US. I tried Kinnaree last time I was here and want to try again. Would a threesome work there? Just pick a girl and have her pick another? It seems an inexpensive way to go.

Thank you for any advice?

[QUOTE=Horatio;2230597]I am back in Pattaya for a week before home to US. I tried Kinnaree last time I was here and want to try again. Would a threesome work there? Just pick a girl and have her pick another? It seems an inexpensive way to go.

Thank you for any advice?[/QUOTE]That's the way I did it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2230439]Welcome to the dark side. Next time it's Wildcats.[/QUOTE]I love this place. I think it was last year (or the year before that) I went in search of a particular girl at Wildcats who was described by an another BM. Apparently, he did not take her for ST in search of better poon and after searching for nearly 2 hours at other Gogos when he failed to see anything better, he returned. And that girl wasn't there! His description was pretty solid.

Its a crazy bar. MP will love it.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2230562]In about ten years, when the Asian invasion has completed and all the good looking girls are working in Asian-only agogo's and the farang are left with the dregs, we will sip our beers in some shabby bar in Soi 6, molested by fugly 40+ 'girls', and say: remember the times when there were still stunners in Windmill and Wildcats?[/QUOTE]A lot of the non-diehards would move on to greener pastures or step their game up. The weekend warriors would still come because they may have concentrated fun on a 5 day getaway as opposed to an all summer long budget trip.

Most of you must be following several Gogo Bar pages on FB. They give you a reasonable sense of what to expect inside their bar. Most use broke backpackers to shoot a few pics in exchange for a couple of thousand baht while some use a real pro. Some honestly mention that the pics are from an archive and may not represent the actual girls they have on stock currently. Most others prefer to stay silent. Nearly none openly state that they also entertain LBs in their line ups. Some bars are known to openly do it, while the more premium ones tend to toe a strict line. The way it should be (no offense to the LGBT activists, I have my preferences as do they).

Now look at these 2 pics. I am having a hard time telling myself these are really girls. And this is Sapphire, where I know the folks. So I find it really strange. Any thoughts from visitors more frequent than me?

WTF is going on?

I have been saying Sapphire has had ladyboys or at least girls who look like men imo there for about 2 years now. There are a couple much more ladyboy looking than even those photos. Part of the reason I stopped going to sapphire. I tell visiting guys I'll go to shark club when they go to sapphire.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2230562]In about ten years, when the Asian invasion has completed and all the good looking girls are working in Asian-only agogo's and the farang are left with the dregs, we will sip our beers in some shabby bar in Soi 6, molested by fugly 40+ 'girls', and say: remember the times when there were still stunners in Windmill and Wildcats?[/QUOTE]I can already tell you that 10 years past it was far better. Can't imagine how it will be in another 10 years.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2230828]
Now look at these 2 pics. I am having a hard time telling myself these are really girls. And this is Sapphire, where I know the folks. So I find it really strange. Any thoughts from visitors more frequent than me?

WTF is going on?[/QUOTE]Only a guess but the blondish one Bell (2nd) could be a girl because not pretty/exotic enough to be a LB and looks all natural with good hip curve. LOL.

The first one Kim I don't have complete certainty. Quite hard to pic from stills if girl has surgeries, which can look like potential LB. Narrow hips is not very lady like. I would not choose that one either way, as don't like the look. Guess 95% chance LB. Something about the face is disturbing. That = LB for me.

The final June 409 is probably a girl, based on face a bit puffy (double chin) and not scrawny, and nice ass (no guarantees).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2230857]I have been saying Sapphire has had ladyboys or at least girls who look like men imo there for about 2 years now. There are a couple much more ladyboy looking than even those photos. Part of the reason I stopped going to sapphire. I tell visiting guys I'll go to shark club when they go to sapphire.[/QUOTE]Holy cow BB! I spent a lot of time In Sapphire this summer. I never suspected they had ladyboys. I always thought it was a safe haven from LBs. Have your suspicions been confirmed? I'm guessing you know some girls that work there that might tell you the truth.

I can't tell if the pics by Blanquiceleste are LBs.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2230864]I can already tell you that 10 years past it was far better. Can't imagine how it will be in another 10 years.[/QUOTE]I may be too old to be doing bar girls, however maybe there will be a special niche set of bars for farang expats who like the style of girls 15 to 25 years ago, who knows?

How could I be that optimistic? LOL.

Went into Kings Castle 2 in Pat pong. A lot of girls of above average looks. Yet only one other Farang in the place. All the other customers were Asian.

Despite all those girls, no one exactly my spec. A few close, but all were over dressed for me. Could not see if girls without silicone had any tits at all.

A bit iffy for selection. What has driven the Farangs away? What do they look for now? Probably value for money which may not be there, or just that watching girls dancing is too boring when they are over dressed.

[QUOTE=Allover;2230945]Holy cow BB! I spent a lot of time In Sapphire this summer. I never suspected they had ladyboys. I always thought it was a safe haven from LBs. Have your suspicions been confirmed? I'm guessing you know some girls that work there that might tell you the truth.

I can't tell if the pics by Blanquiceleste are LBs.[/QUOTE]I can't confirm if they are ladyboys I just said imo they have a ladyboy look. Even if they are girls I don't care to look up on stage and see imo very unattractive girls who look like guys to me.

Syzy, KC2 is one of the dirtiest gogo bars in Bangkok. If you want to see their tits just ask them. Yes I believe by reading boards like this the common theme for Farang not going to gogo bars is value for money. In pattaya there are some farang dominated gogo bars like Windmill, sapphire, wildcats, electric blue, living dolls, heaven above, Atlantis, sugarbaby, etc. and every gogo bar in Lk metro except Ninja.

[QUOTE=Allover;2230945]Holy cow BB! I spent a lot of time In Sapphire this summer. I never suspected they had ladyboys. I always thought it was a safe haven from LBs. Have your suspicions been confirmed? I'm guessing you know some girls that work there that might tell you the truth.

I can't tell if the pics by Blanquiceleste are LBs.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I have been to Sapphire several times and I never thought that place could ever have an LB inside. Except that the girls in these pics have a strangely disturbing look. For sure, I would not be buying them drinks. 5555.

Hi,

What would be the best month for visiting Pattaya from Dec 18 to Feb 19. Based on availability, quality and price.

Thank in advance.

[QUOTE=Lekhraj;2231067]Hi,

What would be the best month for visiting Pattaya from Dec 18 to Feb 19. Based on availability, quality and price.

Thank in advance.[/QUOTE]Hotels are most expensive over Christmas and new years unless maybe if you book many months in advance. Your chosen time period is high season meaning the most number of guys to fight off. Girl prices are always the same that depends on your ability to negotiate.

To answer your question I would go January 20 to February 3. Book your hotel with free changes and cancelation now.

[QUOTE=Lekhraj;2231067]Hi,

What would be the best month for visiting Pattaya from Dec 18 to Feb 19. Based on availability, quality and price.

Thank in advance.[/QUOTE]How long is your visit? New Year's Day is a long holiday, and many Thais (including working girls) travel upcountry for up to a 10 days. There might be fewer girls working, and visiting other parts of the country may be difficult due to traffic. Personally, I'd go anytime after, say, January 7th.

Many westerners visit in December (for Christmas), so there should be more hotel vacancies in January, but that only matters if you're picky, since it's always possible to find a bed in Pattaya.

I posted this a little less then a year ago. Things have changet a lot. There are not that many attractive women in this area now. Last year there were several women in mid 20's to mid 30's on the sidewalk trying to get me into their bar. Now they are older and fatter. I don't like it when people say that sort of thing but it's definitely true here. 2 of the bars I went to last year always had a good amount of women and are now kind of dead. The big complex, kiss something I think, has quite a bit fewer women. Tabu bar last year was great, not a all this year.

I barfined 4 or 5 from naklua area last year, only 1 this year and that one bc of her personality. The area on naklua now is disapointing.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2104260]I haven't read any reviews on this so I will give one. On nakula road from the dolphin fountain roundabout for about 1 mile, there are several beer bars. The going rate for the girls is 300 baht bar fine and 1000 baht for short time. There are a mixture of women from young to middle age, or 20 to 40's. I suspect my ideas of attractive are different then many here. The 20 year old spinner is kind of young for me. So that being said, I find many of the women attractive enough. The bars all face the road, so there are girls to pull you into the bars. They are more willing to play games like connect four or the dice game if you want a little something to do while you drink. I guess you could grope a little bit, but not really as the bars face a major street and you are out in the open.

The women were not as pushy to be barfined as those at soi 6. Though, a few want to bet on the outcomes of a game, you lose you barfine them. I think these bars are suited for guys like me, mid 50's or older who want a slower pace and think attractive enough is attractive enough. An average looking 30 year old who isn't fat works for me if she has the right personality. Not that there aren't a few younger good lookers. It's just not the prime place to look for those in pattaya.

Tldr, nakula Road is a good place for guys who want a slower pace and aren't super picky on age or looks. The price is decent. The women are freindly.

All my opinion for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]

Pattaya old timers won't find this interesting but people who have never been to pattaya might.

I was walking down soi 6 and a women grabbed my arm, as they do and tried to pull me into her bar. She was nice looking and seemed to have a fun attitude so I said ok and into her bar we went. It was not a an open bar but a bar you walk into separate from outside. She gets me a beer and wants me to get her a drink. I say okay. We talk for a monent. I thought she was about 23 or so, she tells me she's 34 and pats her stomach and says no baby. Then she sits in my lap and lays down. She was wearing little thong panties that barely covered things. I put my hand where it wants to go, she is laughing and giggling. She lays on me like this a couple times, straddles my lap some and sits in my lap the normal way some.

She wants me to take her upstairs for 1000 thb or long time for 2000 thb. The bar fine was 650 thb for long time, or 350 for short time. I guess that is bc it's soi 6, idk.

She was really nice looking and friendly as could be. I was kind of spent so didn't want to barfine her. I don't know how others can do so many women, even viagra doesn't do it for me all the time. So I drank my beer and enjoyed my time with her. She said the next day she was off somewhere so I could see her there the day after.

So that was a fun 10 or 15 minutes on a soi 6 bar that cost me the price of 1 beer, 1 lady drink and 100 thb tip, less then $10 usd.

Thanks MonkeyPaw. The first girl I referenced (the super hot girl that I didn't bar fine) wore #25. I honestly don't remember Nana and Kaew's numbers. I thought it would be easy to pick them out of the pictures from the Windmill website, but its much more difficult than I thought. Evidently, they have 10+ attractive very petite girls that match Nana's look. Kaew has very distinctive eyes and I don't believe that her picture is on the site. I am sure of the spellings of their names however, as they wrote them on a 30 Baht bill they have me to remember them.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2230175]Very nice report. Windmill's Facebook has pics of all their girls working with their numbers. Do you mind showing us the photos of which girls you took? I'm always curious to see the tastes of others, especially you said there was an "at most a stunner" at a Windmill. Last night, I was there too, upstairs. I did the unthinkable. Something that I thought I'the never do in my entire life. I spent a over 7,000 baht there, barfined, and fucked the shit out of a Windmill girl. I looked down on that club, but after 300 or so girls from other WS clubs, finally, Windmill got some love from me. Yes, the apocalypse is still coming. Report to come soon on Monkeypaw's Windmill adventure. Anyways, thanks to BB for introducing me to Windmill and help making me a little brave to walk in that very first time.[/QUOTE]

Greetings Gents,

I'm planning a trip beginning of December with my Pinoy GF to Pattaya and have a couple of questions:

* Is the Penthouse Hotel worth staying at for a couple of nights?

* Need to find a local AC / DC girl to make a trio. Is that going to be a problem?

* Hotel recommendations.

Grateful for any help you guys can offer.

Be safe / PP.

[QUOTE=Pheasantplucker;2231518]Greetings Gents,

I'm planning a trip beginning of December with my Pinoy GF to Pattaya and have a couple of questions:

* Is the Penthouse Hotel worth staying at for a couple of nights?

* Need to find a local AC / DC girl to make a trio. Is that going to be a problem?

* Hotel recommendations.

Grateful for any help you guys can offer.

Be safe / PP.[/QUOTE]Any hotel is worth as much as the next one to stay in. Depends on what you are looking for. If you want to have a fantasy night then Penthouse is a reasonable choice. Other hotel recommendations can be found on the Pattaya. Hotels thread. There are a lot of variables that will help you narrow down on options. The hotel and rooms itself, balcony or no balcony, breakfast, pool, GF friendly, price, location, accessibility, etc are some of the variables.

What do you mean by an AC / DC girl? Surely you are not referring to types of current flow in a circuit now, are you? If you are looking for a girl who is into rock music, then there won't be many. But you will find enough girls who might engage in a menage a trois, but I have never tried a cross-country threesome. My guess is it could go very well or very bad. Nothing in between.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2231545]What do you mean by an AC / DC girl? Surely you are not referring to types of current flow in a circuit now, are you? If you are looking for a girl who is into rock music, then there won't be many.[/QUOTE]I think he meant a girl that shakes him all night long. Or maybe one that puts him on the highway to hell.

Haven't seen anyone mention it so it must just have happened. Walked by Pheronome tonight and saw that the doors were chained shut. Was there about a month ago and business was very slow. Guess they decided to bite the bullet and shut down. Wasn't this the happening go go a few years ago?

[QUOTE=Pheasantplucker;2231518]
* Is the Penthouse Hotel worth staying at for a couple of nights?[/QUOTE]I like it. I think it's fun and unique.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2231545]...................What do you mean by an AC / DC girl?.............[/QUOTE]You guys are really young, back in the day we used that term to describe a girl who swings both ways, a bisexual.

[QUOTE=Pheasantplucker;2231518]Greetings Gents,

I'm planning a trip beginning of December with my Pinoy GF to Pattaya and have a couple of questions:

* Is the Penthouse Hotel worth staying at for a couple of nights?

* Need to find a local AC / DC girl to make a trio. Is that going to be a problem?

* Hotel recommendations.

Grateful for any help you guys can offer.

Be safe / PP.[/QUOTE]The penthouse is ok for a couple of nights but they are strict on the number of girls you bring back to your room, only 2 at a time.

For bi-sexual girls the real ones are worth the hunt but a lot of girls will tell you they are bi but are not. I have found one such couple but unfortunately they are broken up and unlucky me only has the number for one and she won't do threesomes now.

I can recommend the Baraquda Mgallery. It is extremely girl friendly, good location and definitely 4 to 5 star.

All the best.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2231623]You guys are really young, back in the day we used that term to describe a girl who swings both ways, a bisexual.[/QUOTE]You learn something new every day. Thanks mate!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2231593] Wasn't this the happening go go a few years ago?[/QUOTE]Only for a couple of months after it first opened. Then the hot girls left. I have not stayed for a drink there in over a year.

All bars do well when they first open. Very few can maintain girls and customers.

Astute followers of the Pattaya thread will appreciate the cultural conflict on this cruise ship that resulted in the cruise line capitulating and offering the passengers a full refund of their entire fare:

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/cruise-ship-refunds-passengers-after-1300-men-took-over-and-turned-it-giant-1148493[/URL]

While the behavior described in this article certainly sounds cringe-worthy, kudos to the gentlemen for bringing the burlesque dancers and women dressed as playboy bunnies on board. I might have enjoyed that extra scenery.

My favorite quote from the article:

"Families were forced to take refuge inside as the scantily clad women danced on the decks. Even bingo, a popular pasttime on cruises, was canceled due to a lack of interest from the passengers, who were more interested in the cabaret. ".

[and yes, their is a Pattaya connection here however tenuous -- I simply preferred to not directly comment on that aspect]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2231593]Haven't seen anyone mention it so it must just have happened. Walked by Pheronome tonight and saw that the doors were chained shut. Was there about a month ago and business was very slow. Guess they decided to bite the bullet and shut down. Wasn't this the happening go go a few years ago?[/QUOTE]I too walked by a week ago, I don't think they have bitten the bullet? I walked up and there was a notice on the door, although all in Thai, the notice was written on government letterhead which makes me speculated they got busted for something the reason it is closed. Like majority as soon as it is sorted out it will be open? As for open, it has always been slow and overpriced.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2229689]Part 2.

After Fern left, I decided to call on a new face that I haven't seen before. She had short hair, cute, slim, long legs and a nice round but tight ass in those itty bitty white shorts that they often wear at Palace. You can tell that she was a new girl because she did not have a badge. I pointed her out to mamasan and told her to ask the new girl to come down for a drink "if and only if" she wants to fuck me. Playing with Fern got my dick hard and I was ready to pound some pussy. I was in no mood to play drinking games with anybody. The girl took a quick glance at me, nodded, and was brought over to my table by mamasan. Her number was 69 and it was written on her hand. I didn't pay attention her name but she told me she previously worked some Miami Club (another a Go Go maybe? Goes university in BKK in weekdays, and that she just started, but things were not going so well. I asked her why and she replied that the Asian customers at Palace did not like her. She got barfined and fucked more from Westerners and farangs when she was at Miami. The only problem at working Miami was that she was only getting 1000 for short time and 2000 for long time... SNIP [/QUOTE]Sorry been behind on my reports. I'm not even in Pattaya anymore, but rather Angeles City where the hunt for prime pussy is even harder. It's called living life, but I apologize for disrupting for the recent conversations about hotels and such and to my fans who miss my "stories. " Anyways, that awesome 69 session with the cute 22 year old at Palace (above report), I couldn't get it out of my head that all my time spent in Pattaya, and I've never been to Miami a Go Go. Actually, I've never heard about it until I was sent some info about the club from another board member. Apparently, Miami is a day time Go Go bar on a Pattaya Soi 13/2 or known as Soi Post Office and closes at midnight. From the info and the latest review I was given, they do have some nice looking coyote dancers there, so perhaps it was checking out on a lazy Sunday afternoon for 1 drink. And besides, if I was lucky, perhaps I'll run into the cute slim coyote dancer with the perfect pussy that I took last week. She did mentioned that she was considering returning to work back there on weekends to get more customers. About 6 pm, I cut through Avenue Shopping Center from my condo onto Soi 13/2 and rolled up into Miami. The club itself is nothing much to look at outside and inside either. They had some happy hour beer specials, but I don't drink beer. So I ordered a Coke Light. Monkeypaw has to watch calories and weight. It's not easy to be a vacation 365 days a year at the clubs and expect to stay fit and healthy. But that's why I try to fuck everyday a different girl and watch what I eat and drink. Banging hot chicks everyday is the same for me as another guy's daily gym work out, except mine is more expensive than his membership. I pump pussy in my room, while he pumps weights in a room full of dudes. Now back to the girls in Miami. The talent let's say was "meh" and similar to an LK club. Around 15 girls at the time I went. Lots of ladies looking as if they were in their late twenties or pushing thirty, however there were a handful of young slim girls as well. I ended up picking up one, a 24 year old, slim, long legged, cute faced coyote with a very sweet firm ass. Her English was very good when compared with most of the girls on Walking Street. I figure because this was mainly a Westerner club, especially since I heard AC-DC, the a Eagles, and Def Leopard jamming on the speakers. Miami has short time rooms upstairs and is included in the pricing but I chose to take her to my condo which was a 30 second motorbike taxi ride away. The experience she provided was very friendly, but with a lot of chit chat. I'the rather a girl use her mouth other ways than trying to get to know me. I'm a fuck, feed, and fifty type of guy when it comes to hookers. I'll fuck you, feed you, and give you fifty baht for a motorbike taxi. No need to try to get all Chatty Cathy and want to know all about my life. It complicates things and then I may feel affection or remorse later. Anyways she had no hesitation about BBBJ and even allowed CIM with no quit no stop action. Meaning she went at my dick like it was her last meal of Earth and never slowed down until I finally came in her mouth, which took about 15 minutes. She enjoyed eating cum and licked up every drop. The sex itself was pretty good with MSOG and some loud moans mixed in with a few "fuck me darling. " Everything on the menu is available with her including DFK, DATY, and ass play. Doggy is her best position with that amazing ass and pretty pussy. Plus she knows how to stay low, arch her back, and stick up her ass correctly. That's a rarity. But the main attraction and selling point out is that her beautiful pussy was very nice, clean and shaven almost like the other girl that I took, who used to work at Miami. Maybe it's a common thing with the young girls there since most Westerners like clean shaven bald pussies. I prefer them that way as well as opposed to the hairy untrimmed bushes, and I am Asian. Anyways, this was a good experience for a little over 2000 baht including drinks. Keep in mind that includes usage of the short time rooms upstairs but I chose not to use it. To me this would be a step up from Soi 6 bars. The entertainment was better than Soi 6 bars and the girls about similar to an LK bar with a few decent lookers. The experience is whatever you make of it. Definitely worth checking out during the daytime just to get out of that hot ass Sun.

Thanks a lot for all the info!

Yes, By AC / DC I was referring to a bisexual girl just as my Pinoy partner is).

We've done this in other countries and sometimes it works, sometimes not but always worth a try to spice up an existing relationship.

Happy Hunting / PP.

I have been up and down Soi 13/2 many times and never gave any serious consideration to a bar there. Well, opps, I guess I was taken there by a woman I met on WS who worked at some bar there. It was her birthday. I didn't want to be with her, but at that time I was too timid and nice to turn her down. Thankfully, she lacked ID and the wonderful staff at the Dynasty wouldn't let her in. I had enough sense to decline the upstairs room at the bar and thus saved myself from a bad encounter. Well, she was nice and probably would have given a great time, but she was older than what I wanted, had more pounds than I wanted, and had really bad teeth, with one coming out the side of her gums. I shudder.

But I will check out this place next month when I arrive.

[QUOTE=Custom404;2231472]I am sure of the spellings of their names however, as they wrote them on a 30 Baht bill they have me to remember them.[/QUOTE]Has anyone seen a 30 baht bill in Thailand?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2231548]I think he meant a girl that shakes him all night long. Or maybe one that puts him on the highway to hell.[/QUOTE]Maybe this is the girl of his dreams.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232080]Has anyone seen a 30 baht bill in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Good catch.

Luckily not real currency since it is a serious offence to deface Thai money.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2232066]

But I will check out this place next month when I arrive.[/QUOTE]I was shocked when MP showed me her photo. All I ever see outside the gogo bars in this part of town are older round ladies.

Next up for MP is me taking him to places like Camel Toe, Jade House, Kit Kat, Passion, etc. MP reviews to follow, if he survives.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232080]Has anyone seen a 30 baht bill in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Do you believe MonkeyPaw really paid a visit to Windmill?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232080]Has anyone seen a 30 baht bill in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Typo. 10 Baht. However, no one seemed too concerned about defacing it, as evidently someone got to it before Nana and Kaew.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2231762]I've never been to Miami a Go Go. Actually, I've never heard about it until I was sent some info about the club from another board member.[/QUOTE]Perhaps she meant Bar Miami aka Miami Night club on WS, between Sugar Baby and Annabelles. Somehow, I don't see your #69 working Miami agogo on Soi Post office. [URL]https://miamipattaya.com/[/URL].

And of course, they're on facebook: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/BarMiamiPattaya/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2232255]Do you believe MonkeyPaw really paid a visit to Windmill?[/QUOTE]Why would I not? If you notice, the BM who posted about the 30 baht bill was not MonkeyPaw.

Perhaps you are blinded by your own beliefs to notice that.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2232091]Good catch.

Luckily not real currency since it is a serious offence to deface Thai money.[/QUOTE]So they have fake currency notes in Windmill? I have been inside just once (last year) and that was a whistle stop tour of Level 2 and out. I think I stayed for 1 beer. Did not see any fake currency then.

Fake currency would be a real serious offence in Thailand, a potential case for lese majeste?

You know how girls try to pull you into their bar. On soi 6 tonight some woman put her arms around me in a bear hug, trapping my arms to my body and started pushing me backwards to her bar. I thought she was going to topple me over before I got my balance and got loose.

I head for Bangkok tommorrow and back to usa on Saturday. I probably won't be back until 2020.

[QUOTE=Custom404;2232308]Typo. 10 Baht. However, no one seemed too concerned about defacing it, as evidently someone got to it before Nana and Kaew.[/QUOTE]I seen this before, even seen bank tellers marking bills when they count them. You can buy cartoon type bills that look like real at local night food markets.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2230597]I am back in Pattaya for a week before home to US. I tried Kinnaree last time I was here and want to try again. Would a threesome work there? Just pick a girl and have her pick another? It seems an inexpensive way to go.

Thank you for any advice?[/QUOTE]It is perhaps the most inexpensive place to have a threesome. Tried Nok, Jane and Narin. But let them choose the other girl. You pay room charge x 2 using one room. Total damage about 3500 with 5 ladies drinks.

[QUOTE=Custom404;2232308]Typo. 10 Baht. However, no one seemed too concerned about defacing it, as evidently someone got to it before Nana and Kaew.[/QUOTE]Haha! That is a rare note. You don't see 10 baht notes in circulation anymore.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232324]Why would I not? If you notice, the BM who posted about the 30 baht bill was not MonkeyPaw.
Perhaps you are blinded by your own beliefs to notice that.[/QUOTE]No mate, you've got it all wrong once again. I thought Custom404 was replying to MonkeyPaw's rather condescending report of his 'visit' to Windmill in a tongue in cheek way and deliberately mentioned the 30 baht bill. Unfortunately it turns out he made a typo and it was an old 10 baht bill, so apparently he didn't get it that MP's post was not serious.

And I really don't get it that you don't seem to get it either.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2230597]I am back in Pattaya for a week before home to US. I tried Kinnaree last time I was here and want to try again. Would a threesome work there? Just pick a girl and have her pick another? It seems an inexpensive way to go.

Thank you for any advice?[/QUOTE]I had done this back in 2012 at Kinnaree. It was my first threesome. I picked a girl and let her pick the other one. Honestly I kind of regretted it because the one picked by the girl although enthusiastic but the chemistry was lacking. I guess it depends on the draw, also it may be because it was my first time. But one should try picking both yourself because you need to have chemistry with both. I had a few 3 some recently in BKK and as it turned out the one I had gone solo with prior had a few hot friends. So I have been with her and three of her friends on separate threesome occasions and I liked all of them and would have gone with either as a pick, so it worked out great especially with the second friend (the 2nd time), it was a blast. Another time I went with a Vietnamese pair I met at the levels club earlier this year, one hotter than the other, gosh! However at the end of the day I am back to preferring just one, at least for now, getting too old for this, I guess.

Looks like another rainy night in Pattaya, but who cares? I am having a blast. So far hooked up with 2 very sexy Go Go girls. On quality: it's very high in certain Walking Street Go Go's and so are the barfines. Ha Ha.

Skyfall - new bar for me. Girls are very friendly. Quite a number of good lookers. My 1st night girl was a Skyfall girl.

Infinity - another new bar for me, smaller than Skyfall, but I really liked three of their see thru negligee girls who go naked when on stage. The ones I liked are tall, thin, small natural breasted, and pretty. Had a few drinks with one last night, but she was on her period. Will barfine her or another one I had my eye on tonight or tomorrow night.

What's Up - super friendly girls dressed as French maids. The costume hides a lot, but the girls are mainly young, attractive brunette spinners so they don't have much to hide. Very friendly did I say that before and good lighting.

Sapphire - a darkly lit Go Go, but a lot of real hotties here too. I barfined one of them last night. Had a great time with her. She did not leave til 2:30 am.

Sensations - maybe has the hottest lineup. A couple of GORGEOUS girls, but unfortunately they were taken by the time I got there. Will try again.

I consider the above Go Go's the top talent bars of Pattaya (there may be more high quality bars I don't know), but I can confirm that they do compare favorably with BKK Go Go's. All of the above bars have as high or higher talent than Crazy House, Billboard or Twister. Only RB4 and Kings Castle 1 seem to have even better talent level. The downside of all the eye candy is all of the above bars have tiered barfines: example 2000 or 1500 baht before midnight / 1500 or 1000 barfine after midnight. My Sapphire spinner for example was a 1000 baht barfine because we drank Tequilas and fooled around in the bar until midnight. I think the bar won on that decision although I won too because I had a great time. LOL. My girls from last night Sapphire and Wednesday night Skyfall asked for 3000 and got it.

I also checked out some less expensive Go Go's with normal barfines Super Girls and Shark, but while the girls were friendly, the quality was less, not undoable quality, but less. I also dropped by Soi 6. It's cheap here 1300 (all in), but the talent is low IMHO. At 6 pm I only spotted one girl on the entire Soi that I thought was really attractive and another guy was already talking to her when I approached her bar. There was no 2nd best girl. HA HA.

I also couldn't help notice a few really doable / attractive SW's hanging around Beach Road in front of my hotel south of the Hilton around 8 pm, but as I walked towards Walking Street the girl quality gets worse and worse.

So the bottom line is I am having a real good time on my long weekend escape from BKK and I highly recommend rainy season Pattaya. It's only money and the girls are great.

Glad you are enjoying Pattaya, Natty. Definitely check out Tantra. It can be very good. Palace and Baccara may have some you like also but many there with fakes.

I always have the most fun at Infinity. My group of girls there are fantastic. Problem is that they are always barfined.

Really unfortunate I'm not in town would have liked to have hung out for some drinks.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2232616]I thought Custom404 was replying to MonkeyPaw's rather condescending report of his 'visit' to Windmill in a tongue in cheek way and deliberately mentioned the 30 baht bill. [/QUOTE]Well, you thought wrong. Again. Like always. Nothing new here. Next.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2232663]Looks like another rainy night in Pattaya, but who cares? I am having a blast. So far hooked up with 2 very sexy Go Go girls. On quality: it's very high in certain Walking Street Go Go's and so are the barfines. Ha Ha.

SNIP


So the bottom line is I am having a real good time on my long weekend escape from BKK and I highly recommend rainy season Pattaya. It's only money and the girls are great.[/QUOTE]Good to see your reports NB. As always, they are factual, informative and entertaining.

Damn, I miss Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2232094]I was shocked when MP showed me her photo. All I ever see outside the gogo bars in this part of town are older round ladies.

Next up for MP is me taking him to places like Camel Toe, Jade House, Kit Kat, Passion, etc. MP reviews to follow, if he survives.[/QUOTE]Never been to those places. I have found I tend to stick with familiar places, e. G. Soi 6 and WS. Next month will be my 8th visit to Pattaya (and I don't see too many more trips beyond this next one) so I need to explore more. But yes, 13/1 and 13/2 always seemed to be considerably worse than Soi 6, but like Soi 6, there can always be those hidden gems.

I rtff like 60 pages of it and combined with some google searches I came up with a list of prices. Did I get them right? Also I'm planning on going to Pattaya during high season if that changes any of the prices.

Freelancer (Disco): 1500 LT + 300 drinks best time to go after 2 am when the unbarfined girls done with work.

Freelancer (Beach Road): 500 thb ST. Best time to go after the sun sets around 6 pm 10 pm.

Bar Girl (Soi 6) 1500 thb ST (1000ST + 300 room + 200 drinks).

Soapie Massage 2000 thb 90 minutes.

Gogo (Skyfall, Infinity, What'sup, Sapphire, Sensations) 5000 baht LT (barines like 2 k before midnight).

Beer Bar 1500ST.

I'm looking for the best price that I can get good quality girls at these places aka I can't afford the Monkeypaw lifestyle plus I'm young and good looking if that factors into cost.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2233551]I'm looking for the best price that I can get good quality girls at these places aka I can't afford the Monkeypaw lifestyle plus I'm young and good looking if that factors into cost.[/QUOTE]I would say that you have the general prices down pretty good. So if your boss is young and good looking you will work for less?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2233567]I would say that you have the general prices down pretty good. So if your boss is young and good looking you will work for less?[/QUOTE]I'm old, fat repulsive and silly.

But I'm Jai Dee and that plus my silliness, and the youth and attractiveness of the crisp bills in my wallet, make for a good time. The girls spy me and think, o yeah that's an easy one, especially when I try to negotiate for ST by the minute.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2233567]I would say that you have the general prices down pretty good. So if your boss is young and good looking you will work for less?[/QUOTE]I can't speak for PonkeyMaw, of course, but if my job was to eat my boss' pussy and fuck her with a pleasant attitude I do believe I would accept less pay for the young and good looking employers vs the old and ugly ones. LOL.

But if my job was to paint walls or sweep floors, I doubt the age and looks of my employer would matter to me very much.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2233580]I can't speak for PonkeyMaw, of course, but if my job was to eat my boss' pussy and fuck her with a pleasant attitude I do believe I would accept less pay for the young and good looking employers vs the old and ugly ones. LOL.

But if my job was to paint walls or sweep floors, I doubt the age and looks of my employer would matter to me very much.[/QUOTE]So you will tell the bill collectors that you chose to eat young pussy instead of earning enough to pay them? The bill collectors don't care how young or attractive your boss or clients are. They are going to want their money when it is due.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2233567]I would say that you have the general prices down pretty good. So if your boss is young and good looking you will work for less?[/QUOTE]You make a perfectly valid point the reason I suggested that was because I thought the prices I had were low balls that could be made possible with things like negotiating, rapport, demand, etc. I'm a newbie to pattaya I have only been to Tijuana before so I apologize if I came off as arrogant or rude. The thing I'm looking forward to the most is disco freelancers and if its possible to get 2000 baht for long time then I'm ecstatic.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2233551]plus I'm young and good looking if that factors into cost.[/QUOTE]A non factor except if you are competing for the same girl with a bald fat guy in his 60's. If you are both offering the same money you will likely beat him out, unless he's a known bar regular and you're a tourist.

If you're so good looking why come to Thailand? You can easily pick up girls at home, no? You'd be one of the first good looking men I've ever seen in pattaya that's for sure.

Best value in pattaya is soi 6 along with the numerous G clubs. Almost guaranteed good service and cheap prices. Beach road FLs are cheap if you can find one to your liking. 500 baht is not the going rate but I'm sure you can get one for 500 if you look hard enough. 700 to 1000 is more common. Next level of value are the many bar beers, massage girls, and places like iBar. Next level are the gogo girls. Worst value imo are the soapie girls. 2-3 k or more for mediocre service.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2233586]So you will tell the bill collectors that you chose to eat young pussy instead of earning enough to pay them? The bill collectors don't care how young or attractive your boss or clients are. They are going to want their money when it is due.[/QUOTE]Ah, now you're talking about employees with no choice in the matter of which employer they work for and the stark difference between making no money at all and making enough money to pay all your bills and on time.

That is a very different issue from what the op was wondering.

A lot of girls have a hard time and leave their provinces to support themselves and other Thais. I've heard of good looking guys getting an initial freebie but girls cutting their loss because they need hard baht. You probably have to shoot for one night stands because the looks will not captivate working girls long enough when they need liquor and party money.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2233551]
I'm young and good looking if that factors into cost.[/QUOTE]Other posters have touched on the concept of All Other Things Being Equal, including things like your general easy going and pleasant demeanor, frequency as a customer and so on, and that is important to factor in. But there is no question in my mind that being more physically appealing to the girl will inspire her to want to go with you more than someone less physically appealing. And I don't think 500 baht one way or another on a 2500+ baht transaction is going to swing her into the arms of Godzilla vs Superman.

Bear in mind, much of what Thai girls find attractive or not has to do with ethnic origin and maybe not the facial or physical features some of us think of when WE think of someone "good looking". But they do. So any argument that this thing "doesn't matter" has to ignore a whole bunch of testimonials and easily observable reality to the contrary.

Question, he's young not bad looking offering 2000ST, he's old overweight and offering 3000, what does she do. No one answer but I would hazard an educated guess and say 90% of the time the 3000 wins out. Of course as the difference becomes smaller the choice becomes more complicated. Some always go with an older John because he's less work, some will go with a younger guy to show off to their friends. It's not a one size fits all situation but in my experience bottom line these girls are working not socializing in the hardcore show me the money part of the sandbox.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2233574]I'm old, fat repulsive and silly.

But I'm Jai Dee and that plus my silliness, and the youth and attractiveness of the crisp bills in my wallet, make for a good time. The girls spy me and think, o yeah that's an easy one, especially when I try to negotiate for ST by the minute.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the old Japanese adage 2-1-3.

2 inches, 1 minute, 3000 Bhat.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2233551]I rtff like 60 pages of it and combined with some google searches I came up with a list of prices. Did I get them right? Also I'm planning on going to Pattaya during high season if that changes any of the prices.

Freelancer (Disco): 1500 LT + 300 drinks best time to go after 2 am when the unbarfined girls done with work.

Freelancer (Beach Road): 500 thb ST. Best time to go after the sun sets around 6 pm 10 pm.

Bar Girl (Soi 6) 1500 thb ST (1000ST + 300 room + 200 drinks).

Soapie Massage 2000 thb 90 minutes.

Gogo (Skyfall, Infinity, What'sup, Sapphire, Sensations) 5000 baht LT (barines like 2 k before midnight).

Beer Bar 1500ST.

I'm looking for the best price that I can get good quality girls at these places aka I can't afford the Monkeypaw lifestyle plus I'm young and good looking if that factors into cost.[/QUOTE]Try beach road. Find someone you like, negotiate price, get a room. Contrary to what is said, the going rate is still about 500 baht. Some are also happy to sleep in air-con room.

It's the difference between freelance and casual encounter ladies.

[QUOTE=Custom404;2232308]Typo. 10 Baht. However, no one seemed too concerned about defacing it, as evidently someone got to it before Nana and Kaew.[/QUOTE]10's are almost collectible if perfect. Haven't issued any for 10 years I think. Obsolete. Replaced by coins.

You can get a woman from a beer bar on nakula road for 1000 thb short term and 1500 overnight. If you are worried about money, figure out a lady drink policy and stick to it. I would buy a lady drink and her friend would come sit with us. I would end up buying lady drinks for both, sometimes up to 3 girls. It is easy enough not to do this, you just say no. But you need to do that if you want that.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2233551]I rtff like 60 pages of it and combined with some google searches I came up with a list of prices. Did I get them right? Also I'm planning on going to Pattaya during high season if that changes any of the prices.

Freelancer (Disco): 1500 LT + 300 drinks best time to go after 2 am when the unbarfined girls done with work.

Freelancer (Beach Road): 500 thb ST. Best time to go after the sun sets around 6 pm 10 pm.

Bar Girl (Soi 6) 1500 thb ST (1000ST + 300 room + 200 drinks).

Soapie Massage 2000 thb 90 minutes.

Gogo (Skyfall, Infinity, What'sup, Sapphire, Sensations) 5000 baht LT (barines like 2 k before midnight).

Beer Bar 1500ST.

I'm looking for the best price that I can get good quality girls at these places aka I can't afford the Monkeypaw lifestyle plus I'm young and good looking if that factors into cost.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinghy;2233755]Try beach road. Find someone you like, negotiate price, get a room. Contrary to what is said, the going rate is still about 500 baht. Some are also happy to sleep in air-con room.

It's the difference between freelance and casual encounter ladies.[/QUOTE]Maybe ฿500 each if your part of an Indian train.

Back to Pattaya a few days before a stroll in Isan with my little working girl I caught tapping on the beach road last time in talks with a group (a band?) Of Indians (eurk).

So here, after 2 nights of intense research I managed to find the following equation:

Opinions on Gogos = (number of girls / beauty of girls) + time of evening X (blood alcohol level) 2.

What makes the result of yesterday is not the same as before yesterday for example.

Okay so once said this is my last ranking which is actually a flat rank:

1 - Baccarat: besides I do not know why it never appeared in my classification because it is really very well. Perfect to start the evening, arrive early to enjoy comfortable chairs at the foot of the slopes. We will sprawl on the armrests nose in the air and mouth open (obliged given the position), the concept is the same as that of Soi Cow Boy with the pretty little kitties in the air dancing above. The best of the best.

2 - The Palace: Okay I have a soft spot for the Palace but I must say that I love music, the girls are beautiful and the atmosphere deliciously trendy. Excellent choice.

3 - Sensations: always beautiful girls, quite spacious, full of Korean (actually when there are Korean is that it's good) it falls well I love them.

4 - The Sapphyr: a little abandoned times but it is unfair because the girls are numerous and quality. While there is no atmosphere of old (IE 6 months ago) but the beer is not expensive and they are really pints that are served.

5 - The Windmill: yes always the windmill with its highs and lows but no equivalent in Walkins Street. The girls are nice, we can look at them in every way, very friendly.

Then, and in disorder, we can quote: Farenheit (but decreasing more and more), the Taboo, I forget one or two but for me the others are pretty null.

Visited Kink at LK Metro. Looks like the honeymoon period is over. Recognized a few leftover gogo girls from other bars. Nothing tempting except maybe one but I think I liked her cause she had energy in her dancing more than anything else. Likely not returning any time soon.

Dolls on Soi 6. Actually some decent looking dancers around the door so I popped in. Didn't stay but some potential for another night.

Mandarin. Walked in and it was like the Twilight Zone. It was like I walked in to Nui 2 Runway. All girls, mamasan, door guy, butch ladyboy, waiters all from Nui 2. I guess I need to check out Nui 2 to see if the new mamasan there brought in any new talent.

You saved me at least 2 hours.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2233551]I rtff like 60 pages of it and combined with some google searches I came up with a list of prices. Did I get them right? Also I'm planning on going to Pattaya during high season if that changes any of the prices.

Freelancer (Disco): 1500 LT + 300 drinks best time to go after 2 am when the unbarfined girls done with work.

Freelancer (Beach Road): 500 thb ST. Best time to go after the sun sets around 6 pm 10 pm.

Bar Girl (Soi 6) 1500 thb ST (1000ST + 300 room + 200 drinks).

Soapie Massage 2000 thb 90 minutes.

Gogo (Skyfall, Infinity, What'sup, Sapphire, Sensations) 5000 baht LT (barines like 2 k before midnight).

Beer Bar 1500ST.

I'm looking for the best price that I can get good quality girls at these places aka I can't afford the Monkeypaw lifestyle plus I'm young and good looking if that factors into cost.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinghy;2233755]Try beach road. Find someone you like, negotiate price, get a room. Contrary to what is said, the going rate is still about 500 baht. [/QUOTE]

500 baht is certainly still [I]possible[/I], but that's the bottom end of the range, and given the looks on Beach Road these days, bottom end there is horror zone, and I have a reasonably strong stomach. Over the last few years, the going rate (that most ladies accept without much discussion) has been 700, but some try to stick to 1000.

Either Rasputin didn't find my wad of 1000-baht notes acceptable due to the Black hand holding them, or they're fresh out of Russians, as I was unable to secure one.

Dejected, but still looking to smash (though not at Rasputin, where the quality and quantity were limited at 1 pm), I mototaxi'd over to Honey 2 and took two. Taki has a slender frame with nice tits for her size and tats, and Nam had a curvier figure with great big hugs to boot. Without getting into deep details, both girls were very energetic (and surprisingly proactive about prostate stimulation) both for the soapie and shower portions, and went to great lengths to help me work off the full English brekky I had watching Thursday Night (American) Football at I-Rovers.

5500 total for both girls + 750 for my tea and 2 LDs comes out to 6250 before tip, which is slightly less than the internet's quote for a Russian girl at Rasputin. I get that it's slightly expensive (and I've had / will have cheaper and potentially more expensive lays while I'm here), but if you have the means to do so, I highly recommend it.

Girls 9/10.

Facilities 9/10.

Service 9. 75/10.

Price $$$ out of 4

Around 2:00 am I have a sudden comeback despite my 2 oil massages close to the perfection of the day with goddesses and my 2 liters of beer ingested my favorite gogos WS. No need to be in Pattaya if it's to sleep on the crutch I tell myself. Head to the beach so as the evening before the same symptoms so same treatment.

The beach is the big lottery. Unlike gogos we do not see who we really address: too small? Destroyed belly? I see a pretty little face, bangs and cut squared, I like. OK, but this is the beginning of the search, I take the risk of not seeing it again if I can not find it later. I go back to the beach with the ***** in the belly to cross my little Indian working girl I would not it surprises me she thinks I arrive the next day and then as weird that it may seem I know his "work" to this little ***** but I'm jealous go understand, we'll talk again. I walk. Nothing, not much, not convincing, ugly I decide to go up 6 but everything is closed. I go down and find my bangs and my cup squared she told me she was waiting for me, even if it's not true it's always fun. 1000 be pulls it to me like a glove and I prefer to take a room at 200 be not want to take it to my condo and spend 3 hours there.

It's an occasional, 27 year old, 1 year old 6 year old son its a classical on the beach. We are going to a series of rooms next to South Pattaya I think, the same place where I came yesterday to cure my same symptoms. Rather shy, as I like, and off you go. Everything is going pretty well I do not have any special needs, it's OK if it's at least pretending to participate or even simulate love. But now when it comes to enjoy doggy style she escapes, not wait darling I'm just coming it's just the worst moment but she complains of having a pain pussy however I go cool I am not a savage. In the frustrating series it is necessary to note when one enjoys half in and the other half is a pitiful hiccup between me and the hood.

It's not the first time that a girl from the beach makes me this shot, in addition to the destroyed belly and the rest must also make him sign a questionnaire where she certifies that it has a lot to the pussy.

Good friends I leave you I go to WS there soon and around midnight I go eat a kebab fries with my little working girl for Indians beach travel for a few days in love in her province in Isan brief to new adventures if you ever do not see me come back send the alerts to help me thanks, see you soon I hope LOL.

I wasn't asking but since girls told me tonight thought I'd pass the info along to guys actually in Pattaya now. Seems as though LK Metro will be closed as it usually for any given chance. WS seems to mainly be open Saturday night but the odd gogo bars may be closed. AFAIK alcohol sale is allowed. My sample size is small but just giving you guys a heads up.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;2235241]Dejected, but still looking to smash (though not at Rasputin, where the quality and quantity were limited at 1 pm), I mototaxi'd over to Honey 2 and took two.

Girls 9/10.

Facilities 9/10.

Service 9. 75/10.

Price $$$ out of 4[/QUOTE]Glad you enjoyed yourself. Not many give such high ratings to soapies. I myself have never seen a 9 in a soapie.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2235446]Glad you enjoyed yourself. Not many give such high ratings to soapies. I myself have never seen a 9 in a soapie.[/QUOTE]Neither have I. Even less likely was a 9. 75 for service in a soapie. With all due respect to the OP, not sure how experienced he is with excellent levels of service a good Thai provider can give.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2235475]Neither have I. Even less likely was a 9. 75 for service in a soapie. With all due respect to the OP, not sure how experienced he is with excellent levels of service a good Thai provider can give.[/QUOTE]I don't know about Thai providers, but he is definitely experienced. We hung out in Medellin, Colombia a couple of years ago. I'm in Santa Fe in Bogota right now. This place should be against the fucking law. I have hit 5 chicas in 3 hours. The most I paid one was 423 baht.

Hey guys,

Going to pattaya on the week of Nov 18. Want to go to a club. Where is the best place in your opinion and why? And estimate cost for things. Thanks in advance.

I checked some of the gogos in Pattaya.

Palace: there were some real stunners in that club, the most impressive lineup I ever came across in Thailand. But competition was fierce (the club was packed) and some of the stunners seamed bored.

SugarBaby: Line up not as nice but the girls aren't shy and interact with the customers some of the girls got their pussy licked by customers while on stage. I barfined a girl but she was to eager to get the most out of me money wise: she wanted to see her sister in a disco down the road and when we got there she wanted me to buy lady drinks to her and her sister, then she said she was hungry. I decided to ignore her requests and to took her back to the hotel. At least, she was not shy and I did cum in her mouth twice.

Windmill: same atmosphere as in SugerBaby (nothing surprising) and I barfined for ST a young cutie. Service was adequate.

I also tried Miami on soi 13/2 at 6 PM: very few girls, two of them were good looking. But the ST rooms should be avoided, particularly if, like me, you are staying at Baraquda which is 40 m away.

Dolls LK. Surprisingly better than I thought. Some new faces to me. Some of the old Kaos girls are returning.

Infinity. Finally Infinity is back! Lots of new faces. Even might make MP happy. 2 groups of models and only 1 group of regular girls. I liked one of the coyotes. Very odd looking but she appealed to me. Watched a Japanese guy manhandle her as he patiently sat and waited for my model friend. I told my friend to go talk to him and he instantly barfined her. I'm so generous at times.

Wildcats. Not very good. No need to return any time soon.

Beach Club. Didn't get there til after midnight so not sure if girls all got barfined or there just weren't many around to begin with. Not too many nice ones but I had fun with my main girl there.

Misty's. WTF there's a ladyboy coyote outside who ran out to grab me. I only go to Misty's when my coyote friend makes a rare appearance and I don't think there are ladyboys in there so why have a ladyboy coyote?

Shark. Where did all my Shark girls go? Not good.

Mandarin. The boring Nui 2 girls have ruined this place. So lame. No DFK no lap dancing. Nothing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2235490]...I'm in Santa Fe in Bogota right now...I have hit 5 chicas in 3 hours. The most I paid one was 423 baht.[/QUOTE]You paid what? In Bogota? They take bahts there also?

Beach road is only For the adventurous.

I remember the take for 500 often have a shaggy bell and fallen tits, sometimes menstruation.

For 700\800 better but still risky.

And I m not talking about disease.

If you short of money still good not for people that stay one week.

O maybe you get the rough diamonds.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2235406]I wasn't asking but since girls told me tonight thought I'd pass the info along to guys actually in Pattaya now. Seems as though LK Metro will be closed as it usually for any given chance. WS seems to mainly be open Saturday night but the odd gogo bars may be closed. AFAIK alcohol sale is allowed. My sample size is small but just giving you guys a heads up.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 was totally closed so don't head there tonight if that was your plan. Bars are 50/50 open but definitely no music. Not so certain if Walking Street is open. Trying to make plans with one of my girls now. Have 3 gogo girls messaging me at once now looking to meet up. 2 freebies and 1 p4 p girl. Guess which one is out?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2235624]Soi 6 was totally closed so don't head there tonight if that was your plan. Bars are 50/50 open but definitely no music. Not so certain if Walking Street is open.[/QUOTE]WS closed, discos might open at midnight. LK Metro gogos closed, but bars open. Soi Honey, Pothole, Buakhao bars are open, but no music. Same with the beer complexes. People openly drinking.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2235475]Neither have I. Even less likely was a 9. 75 for service in a soapie. With all due respect to the OP, not sure how experienced he is with excellent levels of service a good Thai provider can give.[/QUOTE]That's a fair assessment to make, given my TR: actual fucking ratio is admittedly on the low end. While I'm not here every year nor a grizzled vet, I have been visiting consistently since I was a Uni student in 2009, back when LK Royal Suites was one of the nicest rooms in my life, the cocktail car more or less referred to one specific spot, and the main late-night grub for expats near Soi Buakhao was a late-night Tex-Mex cart. I'm not saying I'm a subject matter expert, but I m sure as hell familiar with the topic.

As for my ratings, I usually don't toss out high numbers like that either, but I also usually don't come back to base and feel motivated enough to write a fresh TR. In comparison, I took a "model" from Poseidon's 3rd (4th?) floor at the beginning of the trip, and while I had a lot of fun, it didn't merit an immediate write-up.

As for service ratings, I generally tend to have a floor of 7 or so out here, with very few exceptions. I'm dark-skinned to the point where I might be mistaken for a non-Westerner until you hear me speak, so as long as I'm minimally observant, I can tell which ones don't give a fuck about my existence and which ones are digging me / my pocketbook the fishbowl setup makes that doubly easy, and yeah, I'd put that session in My Top 10 all-time, so everything checks out.

Almost got distracted, but I went back yesterday. The "models" sitting on the far left look like their box game is trash and they're just using the wifi until a Korean picks them regardless of expression or body language, but the "M"(3000 bht) sections and below seem to always be lively in the afternoon.

Grabbed M87 (May?) yesterday afternoon, and had a 8. 5/9/9 session. Whereas the previous session was hot, rough, and full of (surprisingly intelligible at times) dirty talk, this one was smooth, sensual, quiet (their music channel had K-Pop on which is an instant dick softener for me at high volumes) and had a fantastic buildup. Felt like I was in a Jodeci or a Dru Hill video, sans the baritone-voiced dude singing the breakdown.

Almost forgot, but I popped in Sabai Room earlier to see if it was popping and was not impressed. Thinking about a 3rd H2 visit in as many days while I try to figure out the timing to get a nap in before (NFL) football starts at midnight.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2235632]WS closed, discos might open at midnight. LK Metro gogos closed, but bars open. Soi Honey, Pothole, Buakhao bars are open, but no music. Same with the beer complexes. People openly drinking.[/QUOTE]TBH I needed a break from drinking anyway, so it worked out for me. Didn't even bother cracking open my bottle of Duty Free Macallan as I'd initially planned for yesterday. Also afternoon service seemed a bit...maybe "brighter" yesterday, with so few girls 6 or 7 beers in before lunchtime.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2234999]Visited Kink at LK Metro. Looks like the honeymoon period is over. Recognized a few leftover gogo girls from other bars. Nothing tempting except maybe one but I think I liked her cause she had energy in her dancing more than anything else.[/QUOTE]Finally visited Kink. The coyote dancers in black are better looking than the regular dancers in silver. The fun is upstairs. It's a hands on Naughty experience with nekkid chicks! There were enough attractive ladies for me. Con: Bought a coyote dancer a drink upstairs, she quickly pushed drinks for some other ladies. They Hard sell the 165bht LD here. My coyote dancer was hands on with me, but had her head on a swivel. The BF for her before 12a is 1500, drops to 1k after 12a. She wanted 3k ST, 5k LT. They have WS gogo prices here!

BTW, a New GoGO opens with agency superstars, they're there temporarily.

XXXDollhouse.

#90 doing 2 girl show upstairs wanted 100 bht to to give a lick. The fuk?! I moved to another dancer and bought her a LD. XXX now advertising a private VIP room, 700bht, 2k for the dancer. Advertising is in the club. Second dancer quickly pushed this on me. Downstairs, bought a cute nekkid dancer a LD. She was a little cold and not due to the AC. I've had similar experiences here before.

Babydolls.

They're older, but more friendly, very hands on, and NO 100bht upsell to lick. LOL.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2237118]Finally visited Kink. The coyote dancers in black are better looking than the regular dancers in silver. The fun is upstairs. It's a hands on Naughty experience with nekkid chicks! There were enough attractive ladies for me. Con: Bought a coyote dancer a drink upstairs, she quickly pushed drinks for some other ladies. They Hard sell the 165bht LD here. My coyote dancer was hands on with me, but had her head on a swivel. The BF for her before 12a is 1500, drops to 1k after 12a. She wanted 3k ST, 5k LT. They have WS gogo prices here!

BTW, a New GoGO opens with agency superstars, they're there temporarily.

XXXDollhouse..[/QUOTE]If you like Babydolls, you should also visit Windmil. For me it's the best Agogo in Pattaya. It's also hands on.

What is the best location that has all the NFL games or at least NFL redzone in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=NewGuy8;2237241]What is the best location that has all the NFL games or at least NFL redzone in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I-Rovers in LK Metro or Retox on Soi Lengkee or Soi Honey.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2237323]I-Rovers in LK Metro or Retox on Soi Lengkee or Soi Honey.[/QUOTE]Nothing against Retox, but I've found I-Rover the best place to watch the game. The manager or owner seems to be always there so if you don't see it on one of the screens just ask him. There seem to be more Americans visiting there so you don't have to go begging them to look for the channels or get that funny look, what is NFL, Baseball, or Basketball? Got real tired of begging plus they have a number of great breakfast and food at decent prices.

Can anyone tell me whether this hotel is ok for a week's stay interms of comfort, cleanliness, girl-friendliness?

Thanks a lot for your help / PP.

Walked in to M Club the other day. Only spotted one girl. Anyone else been lately? Anyone know where cute face Nana is now?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2237403]Nothing against Retox, but I've found I-Rover the best place to watch the game. [/QUOTE]

Why I listed I-Rovers first.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2237403]so you don't have to go begging them to look for the channels or get that funny look, what is NFL, Baseball, or Basketball? [/QUOTE]

There's an App available named Sure that allows you to control the TV channels. I've never used it myself but my buddy does. Pretty sure those clueless waitresses at Retox won't even notice you changed the channel. Just make sure it's ok with the guys at the tables around you it's ok to change.

[QUOTE=Pheasantplucker;2237594]Can anyone tell me whether this hotel is ok for a week's stay interms of comfort, cleanliness, girl-friendliness?[/QUOTE]It's fine for all the above. Like all other LK hotels the girl dumps her ID card at reception. Rooms are clean and decent. Looks to be one of the newest LK hotels. Only issue is it's not on a baht bus route but if you don't mind walking from 3rd Road to Soi Buakhao to catch a baht bus then it's ok. It is convenient to Soi Bumpy, Soi Full Love Inn, and LK Metro. LK Empress, LK Residence, and LK Metropole are better location wise but LK President is usually cheaper than the others.

Try something where locals are going. , must be less than beach road.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2235197]500 baht is certainly still [I]possible[/I], but that's the bottom end of the range, and given the looks on Beach Road these days, bottom end there is horror zone, and I have a reasonably strong stomach. Over the last few years, the going rate (that most ladies accept without much discussion) has been 700, but some try to stick to 1000.[/QUOTE]

Santa Fe is the best, no where you can get that many options with low price. Pattaya is safe, relatively clean with nice weather and beach. Bogota has high altitude and language issues. Cost conscious hard core monger will like Bogota.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2235490]I don't know about Thai providers, but he is definitely experienced. We hung out in Medellin, Colombia a couple of years ago. I'm in Santa Fe in Bogota right now. This place should be against the fucking law. I have hit 5 chicas in 3 hours. The most I paid one was 423 baht.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pheasantplucker;2237594]Can anyone tell me whether this hotel is ok for a week's stay interms of comfort, cleanliness, girl-friendliness?

Thanks a lot for your help / PP.[/QUOTE]I probably would not stay there. There are always a bunch of tour buses at that place.

[QUOTE=NewGuy8;2237241]What is the best location that has all the NFL games or at least NFL redzone in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I went to I-Rovers for "Thursday night" football; good people, but it was a bit too air-conditioned for keeping at 7:30 am and I wanted American-style bar food, no matter how solid their Full English is.

My Pats AND Sox played on "Sunday night" though, so come Monday I was looking for a place with both games AND some good buffalo wings. After some googling and a short taxi ride, I pulled up at Tigglebitties Tavern on Soi 17. Good bar menu, ALCS and the SNF game on (and replays of the other games afterwards), American owner runs the spot with his wife, son, and his son's wife. Most importantly, I didn't think I'd have wings like that again in Patts after that guy from Buffalo shut down shop.

Heard the ribs are solid too, was surprised I'd never heard of them (despite the fact I've never been to that part of Pattaya for anything ever really).

Thanks for the information, just trying to find a good place, may have to do some scouting.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;2237720]I went to I-Rovers for "Thursday night" football; good people, but it was a bit too air-conditioned for keeping at 7:30 am and I wanted American-style bar food, no matter how solid their Full English is.

My Pats AND Sox played on "Sunday night" though, so come Monday I was looking for a place with both games AND some good buffalo wings. After some googling and a short taxi ride, I pulled up at Tigglebitties Tavern on Soi 17. Good bar menu, ALCS and the SNF game on (and replays of the other games afterwards), American owner runs the spot with his wife, son, and his son's wife. Most importantly, I didn't think I'd have wings like that again in Patts after that guy from Buffalo shut down shop.

Heard the ribs are solid too, was surprised I'd never heard of them (despite the fact I've never been to that part of Pattaya for anything ever really).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2237237]If you like Babydolls, you should also visit Windmil. For me it's the best Agogo in Pattaya. It's also hands on.[/QUOTE]I'm very familiar with Windmill. Insert Big Grin Here.

Saw quite a few gogo girls today at Terminal 21. Some hired as models to attract customers to stores but most just shopping. More pretty girls at T21 today than I would see in 50 visits to Central Festival. Definitely worth a visit just for the eye candy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2237873]Saw quite a few gogo girls today at Terminal 21. Some hired as models to attract customers to stores but most just shopping. More pretty girls at T21 today than I would see in 50 visits to Central Festival. Definitely worth a visit just for the eye candy.[/QUOTE]Or a perfect time to exchange info to avoid the high cost of the agogos! Like I have always said, those same women go out and about like everyone else in the world. No reason to wait until they are in the most expensive place to then try to talk to them and fuck them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2237873]Saw quite a few gogo girls today at Terminal 21. Some hired as models to attract customers to stores but most just shopping. More pretty girls at T21 today than I would see in 50 visits to Central Festival. Definitely worth a visit just for the eye candy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the warning, so not to take the family there until all the rah rah is over don't want anyone calling me out? Also explains why the traffic so bad on Pattaya Nua, by 1 pm afternoon like always the BIB has no idea how to direct traffic so they do the easy thing close off the ability to turn right into Pattaya Nua from Sukhumvit make all the traffic go down Sukhumvit to Pattaya Klang and when that got too heavy they closed that off too!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2238177]Thanks for the warning, so not to take the family there until all the rah rah is over don't want anyone calling me out? [/QUOTE]Yep. One of the gogo girls affectionately ran up to me yesterday when she spotted me. Would have been fine normally except I was with another girl who got extremely jealous.

Hi all,

Booking my first trip to pattaya. Just curious.
Trying to figure out where I want to book my hotel, but afraid if I book too far. Girls won't be less inclined to come long time?
How far by cab before it becomes a problem?

Trying to find a nice 5 star a little further north of walking street.
Is further north than CAPE DARA hotel too far? Or CAPE DARA already too far north?

Cheers.

EDIT: compared to bangkok gogo girls, are pattaya gogo girls more willing to do LT?

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238415]Hi all,

Booking my first trip to pattaya. Just curious.
Trying to figure out where I want to book my hotel, but afraid if I book too far. Girls won't be less inclined to come long time?
How far by cab before it becomes a problem?

Trying to find a nice 5 star a little further north of walking street.
Is further north than CAPE DARA hotel too far? Or CAPE DARA already too far north?

Cheers.

EDIT: compared to bangkok gogo girls, are pattaya gogo girls more willing to do LT?[/QUOTE]CAPE DARA is a bit off far from the main mongering areas but less than 10 minutes cab ride. Shouldn't be a problem if you are proposing LT.

I am thinking of staying at I Rovers Sport Mar in LK Metro. Accommodation looks good and well sited.

Does anyone know whether you can barfine their bar girls. That would be really convenient, and a couple appear quite good looking, and I will get to know them if I stay there for a week or so.

I sent I-Rovers a message but they have not responded. Any feedback would be much appreciated, especially with rates.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238415]Hi all,

Booking my first trip to pattaya. Just curious.
Trying to figure out where I want to book my hotel, but afraid if I book too far. Girls won't be less inclined to come long time?
How far by cab before it becomes a problem?

Trying to find a nice 5 star a little further north of walking street.
Is further north than CAPE DARA hotel too far? Or CAPE DARA already too far north?

Cheers.

EDIT: compared to bangkok gogo girls, are pattaya gogo girls more willing to do LT?[/QUOTE]IMHO this is much too far. In fact anything North of Dolphin roundabout is all ready too far. There are many good hotels from Soi 1 to 13 between Beach Rd and 2nd Rd. You are on the Baht bus rout here so no necesity to deal with the taxi mafia at all.

Just spend a few minutes reading the Pattaya hotel forum and you will find plenty of suitable hotels.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2238437]IMHO this is much too far. In fact anything North of Dolphin roundabout is all ready too far. There are many good hotels from Soi 1 to 13 between Beach Rd and 2nd Rd. You are on the Baht bus rout here so no necesity to deal with the taxi mafia at all.

Just spend a few minutes reading the Pattaya hotel forum and you will find plenty of suitable hotels.

Enjoy,

Hotman.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, yea never mind. I checked again, nothing that great too far north.

deciding between HILTON, Intercontinental, & Mytt

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2238429]I am thinking of staying at I Rovers Sport Mar in LK Metro. Accommodation looks good and well sited.

Does anyone know whether you can barfine their bar girls. That would be really convenient, and a couple appear quite good looking, and I will get to know them if I stay there for a week or so.

I sent I-Rovers a message but they have not responded. Any feedback would be much appreciated, especially with rates.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between a bar girl and a waitress. IR has waitresses, not bar girls. They probably did not respond because they are still laughing.There are 8 million bars in Pattaya. Stop looking online deciding what you have to have. Wait until you are there and walk around and decide what you want from that.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238415]
How far by cab before it becomes a problem?[/QUOTE]The distance is not the problem but the cab itself is the problem LOL. You really don't want to take a cab in Pattaya. They are mafia.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2238429]I am thinking of staying at I Rovers Sport Mar in LK Metro. Accommodation looks good and well sited.[/QUOTE]

In 2011 I spent one night at I-Rovers and never again it was a fucking nigthmare, loud music 24 hrs, impossible to sleep. I hope for you that they have changed their "music-policy".

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238440] I checked again, nothing that great too far north.

deciding between HILTON, Intercontinental, & Mytt[/QUOTE]Hilton win hands down for the central location. Mytt can be good if you prefer soi6 over WS. Intercontinental too remote.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2238681]Hilton win hands down for the central location. Mytt can be good if you prefer soi6 over WS. Intercontinental too remote.[/QUOTE]Hilton all the way! I actually wonder why would anyone, who wants to stay in a 5 star hotel in Pattaya, even think about any other hotel? It is possibly the most convenient location for all the action Pattaya has to offer.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2238687]Hilton all the way! I actually wonder why would anyone, who wants to stay in a 5 star hotel in Pattaya, even think about any other hotel? It is possibly the most convenient location for all the action Pattaya has to offer.[/QUOTE]Walk of shame and high joiner fee with a lengthy registration process will make you think of more monger-friendly hotels.

But great if you have a GF staying with you there all the time.

Hi,

Will be hitting Pattaya in a couple of weeks, actually there for work. I generally don't like fishbowls, and would rather find free lancers or semipros in discos. What are the best recommendations on where to find them, Inferno? Would also like "Russian" women recommendations, yeah I know, don't want to do the Russian bars or strip clubs looking for freelancers. But figure eat some local and maybe toss in a European (Russian).

Also legit messages, I heard places that have a foot in front, as well as places with women with covered shoulders / older / less attractive?

Last question how do you tell a ladyboy, do you just ask or is that rude, I probably can get the obvious ones, but some arent so obvious. (no I don't want ladyboys, just the opposite).

What is the best chat app for Thailand? I know China is wechat, Korea kaotalk, thailand?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=GatorEngineer;2238896]Hi,

Will be hitting Pattaya in a couple of weeks, actually there for work. I generally don't like fishbowls, and would rather find free lancers or semipros in discos. What are the best recommendations on where to find them, Inferno? Would also like "Russian" women recommendations, yeah I know, don't want to do the Russian bars or strip clubs looking for freelancers. But figure eat some local and maybe toss in a European (Russian).

Also legit messages, I heard places that have a foot in front, as well as places with women with covered shoulders / older / less attractive?

Last question how do you tell a ladyboy, do you just ask or is that rude, I probably can get the obvious ones, but some arent so obvious. (no I don't want ladyboys, just the opposite).

What is the best chat app for Thailand? I know China is wechat, Korea kaotalk, thailand?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Most girls seem to like LINE.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2238761]Walk of shame and high joiner fee with a lengthy registration process will make you think of more monger-friendly hotels.

But great if you have a GF staying with you there all the time.[/QUOTE]Is there actually a joiner fee?? From everything I've read, it just seems they require the girl to leave her ID?

Also, while I do like how the hilton looks. It does bother me that they don't even offer free wifi in your room? LOL what kind of hotel doesn't do that these days.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2238761]Walk of shame and high joiner fee with a lengthy registration process will make you think of more monger-friendly hotels.

But great if you have a GF staying with you there all the time.[/QUOTE]C'mon Man. Walk of shame? You are in Pattaya for crying out loud. Did you think the cute receptionist thinks you are there for the beach and weather only? I have stayed there only twice, and I had booked my room for two at the King Hilton Executive Seaview room. I was not asked for joiner fees. But I have brought back just one girl. Is the joiner fee applied to the third guest? Registration process is really no longer than any other place where it is followed properly. I did not find that to be on any inconvenience.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238929]Is there actually a joiner fee?? From everything I've read, it just seems they require the girl to leave her ID?

Also, while I do like how the hilton looks. It does bother me that they don't even offer free wifi in your room? LOL what kind of hotel doesn't do that these days.[/QUOTE]This is a pain. But in Thailand with the mobile data plans being so cheap and connectivity so good, I rarely use the hotel WiFi, even when it is offered free. How much data do you really use on a holiday?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2238933]C'mon Man. Walk of shame? You are in Pattaya for crying out loud. Did you think the cute receptionist thinks you are there for the beach and weather only?[/QUOTE]Like in Angeles City. Before going out to find a girl, the receptionist tells you good luck.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2238933]C'mon Man. Walk of shame? You are in Pattaya for crying out loud. Did you think the cute receptionist thinks you are there for the beach and weather only? I have stayed there only twice, and I had booked my room for two at the King Hilton Executive Seaview room. I was not asked for joiner fees. But I have brought back just one girl. Is the joiner fee applied to the third guest? Registration process is really no longer than any other place where it is followed properly. I did not find that to be on any inconvenience.

This is a pain. But in Thailand with the mobile data plans being so cheap and connectivity so good, I rarely use the hotel WiFi, even when it is offered free. How much data do you really use on a holiday?[/QUOTE]Nah you right, just separation anxiety lolol.

But joiner fee at hilton?

[QUOTE=GatorEngineer;2238896]
Last question how do you tell a ladyboy, do you just ask or is that rude, I probably can get the obvious ones, but some arent so obvious. (no I don't want ladyboys, just the opposite).

What is the best chat app for Thailand? I know China is wechat, Korea kaotalk, thailand?[/QUOTE]There is a separate thread in the Thailand forum named "identifying transvestites" that discusses distinguishing a ladyboy. I suggest you read it and if you still have questions ask on that thread.

All Thai girls have both Line and Facebook and they are on both constantly.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238928]Most girls seem to like LINE.[/QUOTE]But you cannot search for new girls with Line, so it's only useful if you already have some phone numbers.
You need apps like WeChat or Badoo to look for new girls. Or Thai Friendly for example.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2238928]Most girls seem to like LINE.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mogwai;2239052]But you cannot search for new girls with Line, so it's only useful if you already have some phone numbers.
You need apps like WeChat or Badoo to look for new girls. Or Thai Friendly for example.[/QUOTE]No comment or thanks needed, but let Monkeypaw enlighten you a bit. Once again sharing is caring especially to those who already know it all. Monkeypawed!

Line used to have a feature called People Nearby where you can connect with girls near you. I say used to only because I can't seem to locate it any longer in Line. In Thailand if you see a girl you like just ask for her Line. If she's halfway interested in you she will give you her Line. This is what guys who like non-pros should do.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2239077]Line used to have a feature called People Nearby where you can connect with girls near you. I say used to only because I can't seem to locate it any longer in Line. In Thailand if you see a girl you like just ask for her Line. If she's halfway interested in you she will give you her Line. This is what guys who like non-pros should do.[/QUOTE]It is still there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2239088]It is still there.[/QUOTE]I think the problem is most girls turn off the location sharing because only a few females show up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2239088]It is still there.[/QUOTE]Strange, I don't have it.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2239160]Strange, I don't have it.[/QUOTE]It have been discussed before, this feature comes depending on the country you come from. It seems that it is available for the US and probably a few other countries, for example I'm from Western Europe and I never had it on my line account.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2239160]Strange, I don't have it.[/QUOTE]Me neither.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2239179]Me neither.[/QUOTE]Version control. In addition to that it also depends on which country you have downloaded and installed the app from.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2239160]Strange, I don't have it.[/QUOTE]Do you have an older phone?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2239173]It seems that it is available for the US and probably a few other countries, for example I'm from Western Europe and I never had it on my line account.[/QUOTE]True. I'm from Western Europe too and I never had the people nearby function on my Line.

[QUOTE=GatorEngineer;2238896]
Last question how do you tell a ladyboy, do you just ask or is that rude, I probably can get the obvious ones, but some arent so obvious. (no I don't want ladyboys, just the opposite).[/QUOTE]99% of the ladyboys around town are very easy to recognize. Anyway if you are not sure, just ask politely.

[QUOTE=GatorEngineer;2238896]What is the best chat app for Thailand? I know China is wechat, Korea kaotalk, thailand?[/QUOTE]Line and Wechat. Also tinder, badoo and thaifriendly are good dating site if you like this type of hunting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2239088]It is still there.[/QUOTE]Downloaded the App in Australia and not available.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2239339]Downloaded the App in Australia and not available.[/QUOTE]I live in Australia and downloaded LINE while I was in Thailand. The Nearby function now works in both locations.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2239203]Do you have an older phone?[/QUOTE]No, only a few months old. I think the problem is that I have downloaded it in the Netherlands.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2239543]No, only a few months old. I think the problem is that I have downloaded it in the Netherlands.[/QUOTE]I have an older phone with the near by function, but the function disappeared after an update. The other newer phone I have with the same LINE version downloaded from the same store still has this feature.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2239570]I have an older phone with the near by function, but the function disappeared after an update. The other newer phone I have with the same LINE version downloaded from the same store still has this feature.[/QUOTE]I have never seen the People Nearby function despite using it for many years and downloading in multiple countries. The reason is quite likely that I do not share my location with any Apps, and certainly not LINE. LOL. I think the function became available on Android and iOS quite a while back, over 2 years, maybe more.

Clearly if LINE has no access to my location, it can't say who is nearby. LOL. I value privacy a bit higher. Even my friends best not know where I am quite often. LOL
I was annoyed that a function to auto delete messages a set time after the receiver reads them was removed. I thought that was useful.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239592]I have never seen the People Nearby function despite using it for many years and downloading in multiple countries. The reason is quite likely that I do not share my location with any Apps, and certainly not LINE.
SNIP
Clearly if LINE has no access to my location, it can't say who is nearby.[/QUOTE]Nevertheless the function would still be visible in the menu, if it was there. But if you wanted to use it, it wouldn't work because you have blocked access to your location.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2239640]Nevertheless the function would still be visible in the menu, if it was there. But if you wanted to use it, it wouldn't work because you have blocked access to your location.[/QUOTE]I would rather not have the function and keep access to my location and address book blocked.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2238429]I am thinking of staying at I Rovers Sport Mar in LK Metro. Accommodation looks good and well sited.

Does anyone know whether you can barfine their bar girls. That would be really convenient, and a couple appear quite good looking, and I will get to know them if I stay there for a week or so.

I sent I-Rovers a message but they have not responded. Any feedback would be much appreciated, especially with rates.[/QUOTE]Funny I was interested in barfining one too must be the outfits. Is this possible?

I had been warned soi 6 would be closed today but I hadn't believed it since the Thailand holiday calendar had no entry for today. Managed to session a girl all the same. Had to give a hand at raising the iron curtain to get out.

Terminal 21 was too cold. Filled a form at the info desk to complain about this. Otherwise very crowded and children-infested. Noisy, loud lousy live music with terrible acoustics on the ground floor, interfering sources of canned music elsewhere, everywhere pervading background hum similar to school playground. Queues at the food court, not much sitting space. Terminal 21 useful to shed the load off other places like Central terminal, apart from that not my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2238448]There is a difference between a bar girl and a waitress. IR has waitresses, not bar girls. They probably did not respond because they are still laughing.There are 8 million bars in Pattaya. Stop looking online deciding what you have to have. Wait until you are there and walk around and decide what you want from that.[/QUOTE]IRovers is my go to place for watching my hockey team in the morning. Appearrently the waitresses do bar fine. Much the same as Camel in Ban Chang or Metro Sports Bar. It is discreet compared to bars nearby.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2240556]IRovers is my go to place for watching my hockey team in the morning. Appearrently the waitresses do bar fine. Much the same as Camel in Ban Chang or Metro Sports Bar. It is discreet compared to bars nearby.[/QUOTE]Camel Pub in Ban Chang is no more. It went out of business sometime ago. And Yes the I-Rovers waitresses are barfinable.

The Line people nearby function is not available in every country and Thailand is one of those. If you download the app from the App Store or google play store in another country that offers it, you will get it. However, there will be very few Thai girls there as compared to we chat since the Thai App Store and google play store don't have it in Thailand. There is a thread about this as well. What is all the fuss about with line anyways? It is not a way to meet the ladies, it is only their preferred method of contact. Simple, easy and straight forward. Just like asking for their phone number, you can ask for their line ID. Line is not some magical and mythical way to get a Thai girl into bed. LOL.

Arrived in Patts last night and I can't believe reading 2 or 3 pages back and still no reports for me to reference. What a sad state the Pattaya forum has ended up in. Anyways, I'm staying at LK residence, just around the corner from LK Metro. I love the action to be found in the area away from walking street. Many diamonds in the rough to be found. For 3000 per night you get a huge 80 m2 suite. Headed over to soi 6 to begin my adventures for the weekend and drank with a real spinner from Laos. 150 Baht per lady drink and 1000 to bar fine her and take her back to my hotel plus 2500 LT. A sure fire diamond in the rough. It was a night of no holds barred PSE and GFE action with no mention of a cover. Just like our friend in cream pie Thais LOL. Here's a cute shot of her from her we chat for reference on what can be found there if you look hard enough.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2239897]Funny I was interested in barfining one too must be the outfits. Is this possible?[/QUOTE]I did some recon today here and the waitresses absolutely cannot be bar fined. How do I know you ask? Because I asked them straight. However, the server I spoke to did say she could meet me after her shift. That is not bar fining but it is called freelancing. Furthermore, common sense would prevail when thinking about most ladies working in Patts in a normal job, they have for sure freelanced at one time or another. That's the main attraction for them to work here. They want to catch that farang sponsor or make money freelancing. Why else would they come to Patts to work a 10-12 K per month job they can get in any city in Thailand. Common sense guys! The same is line is not a magical path to pussy either.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2240957]Arrived in Patts last night and I can't believe reading 2 or 3 pages back and still no reports for me to reference. What a sad state the Pattaya forum has ended up in. Anyways, I'm staying at LK residence, just around the corner from LK Metro. I love the action to be found in the area away from walking street. Many diamonds in the rough to be found. For 3000 per night you get a huge 80 m2 suite. Headed over to soi 6 to begin my adventures for the weekend and drank with a real spinner from Laos. 150 Baht per lady drink and 1000 to bar fine her and take her back to my hotel plus 2500 LT. A sure fire diamond in the rough. It was a night of no holds barred PSE and GFE action with no mention of a cover. Just like our friend in cream pie Thais LOL. Here's a cute shot of her from her we chat for reference on what can be found there if you look hard enough.[/QUOTE]Now that's the way to criticize a lack of trip reports.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2240957]Arrived in Patts last night and I can't believe reading 2 or 3 pages back and still no reports for me to reference. What a sad state the Pattaya forum has ended up in. Anyways, I'm staying at LK residence, just around the corner from LK Metro. I love the action to be found in the area away from walking street. Many diamonds in the rough to be found. For 3000 per night you get a huge 80 m2 suite. Headed over to soi 6 to begin my adventures for the weekend and drank with a real spinner from Laos. 150 Baht per lady drink and 1000 to bar fine her and take her back to my hotel plus 2500 LT. A sure fire diamond in the rough. It was a night of no holds barred PSE and GFE action with no mention of a cover. Just like our friend in cream pie Thais LOL. Here's a cute shot of her from her we chat for reference on what can be found there if you look hard enough.[/QUOTE]I too arrived in Pattaya recently. Staying at Hilton for 140 usd a night, a little on the high end but nice rooms. I went to soi 6, and got a 25 yr old w / contacts, 350 for the room upstairs at LALA land bar and 1 k for the girl. Went through the motions but no PSE / GFE. Didn't even know that existed here.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2240957]Arrived in Patts last night and I can't believe reading 2 or 3 pages back and still no reports for me to reference. What a sad state the Pattaya forum has ended up in. Anyways, I'm staying at LK residence, just around the corner from LK Metro. I love the action to be found in the area away from walking street. Many diamonds in the rough to be found. For 3000 per night you get a huge 80 m2 suite. Headed over to soi 6 to begin my adventures for the weekend and drank with a real spinner from Laos. 150 Baht per lady drink and 1000 to bar fine her and take her back to my hotel plus 2500 LT. A sure fire diamond in the rough. It was a night of no holds barred PSE and GFE action with no mention of a cover. Just like our friend in cream pie Thais LOL. Here's a cute shot of her from her we chat for reference on what can be found there if you look hard enough.[/QUOTE]Do you know the name of the shop she works at?

[QUOTE=DionCassius;2235518]I checked some of the gogos in Pattaya.

Palace: there were some real stunners in that club, the most impressive lineup I ever came across in Thailand. But competition was fierce (the club was packed) and some of the stunners seamed bored.

SugarBaby: Line up not as nice but the girls aren't shy and interact with the customers some of the girls got their pussy licked by customers while on stage. I barfined a girl but she was to eager to get the most out of me money wise: she wanted to see her sister in a disco down the road and when we got there she wanted me to buy lady drinks to her and her sister, then she said she was hungry. I decided to ignore her requests and to took her back to the hotel. At least, she was not shy and I did cum in her mouth twice.

Windmill: same atmosphere as in SugerBaby (nothing surprising) and I barfined for ST a young cutie. Service was adequate.

I also tried Miami on soi 13/2 at 6 PM: very few girls, two of them were good looking. But the ST rooms should be avoided, particularly if, like me, you are staying at Baraquda which is 40 m away.[/QUOTE]Miami on Soi Post Office is the same as 13/2? Anyways, did you run into the girl on the far right? She's a cute little thing and eager to please. Those rooms that they have upstairs are free for short time but remind me of Soi 6 rooms. But same like you, I stayed nearby and it didn't cost any extra for the girl I picked to come to my room. 1500 inclusive of everything for a couple of hours of hardcore fucking in your own comfortable room is worth it, especially when you have nothing else to do during the daytime. I've been to Miami 3 times and taken 3 decent slim girls. Happy hunting!

P.S. You mentioned "competition" at Palace? Be careful, some folks might get upset because "supposedly" there is no such thing as competing when it comes to barfining a Go Go bar girl. It's supposed to be easy as show up, buy a drink, and go fuck. So they say.

[QUOTE=VeryInterest;2241359]I too arrived in Pattaya recently. Staying at Hilton for 140 usd a night, a little on the high end but nice rooms. I went to soi 6, and got a 25 yr old w / contacts, 350 for the room upstairs at LALA land bar and 1 k for the girl. Went through the motions but no PSE / GFE. Didn't even know that existed here.[/QUOTE]YMMV of course but I think the difference between my experience and yours was barfined my girl and took her back to my hotel after drinking and partying together for 3 hours. We had time to build a rapport.

I find most girls I take on soi 6 are or at least close to GFE or pse. However, I live here so I'm only taking those I get along with very well. Some girls I don't take for weeks and they're throwing themselves at me since they're so frustrated and confused why I don't go with them.

I read here often 'I took a soi 6 girl for 1000 baht' . Does that mean you didn't hang out with her for some time after buying a lady drink? You can weed out a bunch of useless girls in those first 15 to 30 minutes. That one lady drink can save you an hour of frustration. Buying a ladydrink should at least get you DFK, grinding, and mutual groping. If not, move on unless she's the hottest girl you have ever met in Thailand.

I get so frustrated with guys who don't demand mileage from these girls after buying them a lady drink at a bar or gogo.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2241267]Now that's the way to criticize a lack of trip reports.[/QUOTE]Exactly! If people would stop writing off topic posts there would not be a sudden miraculous increase of on topic posts. The only way to 'beat' the off topic posts is to write on topic posts.

[QUOTE=VeryInterest;2241359]I went to soi 6, and got a 25 yr old w / contacts, [/QUOTE]What contacts? Contact lenses?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2241504]Exactly! If people would stop writing off topic posts there would not be a sudden miraculous increase of on topic posts. The only way to 'beat' the off topic posts is to write on topic posts.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with you but the problem is 90% of the guys who post in the pattaya thread only visit once or twice a year. Most of the ISG guys I know who live here or come every month or two don't post.

I don't live there, but I visit a few times a year, however I gave up on this thread due to the sheer amount of bullshit being posted by certain members.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2241267]Now that's the way to criticize a lack of trip reports.[/QUOTE]I do agree Soi 6 is good value, however, the only reports to be found here were along the lines of " found this stunning 19 year old 500 baht long time on beach road, threw her 600 baht at the end of the morning and she chased me home but I wasn't keen anymore she has been stalking me for days because I paid her 600 baht".

Paid 55 e for Tinder Gold and was a better deal than 25 e / month for Thai Friendly premium. What brought me to Tinder was the tip from my African regular that many African girls in Thailand are now working from Tinder (and not from Thai Friendly).

1st Tinder African today early afternoon. ST 1300. Was an 8 on Tinder but proved to be a 6. Nice personality but broad shoulders no ass. Not at all the impression from the Tinder pics. No paintbrush I think, only selection effect. Name, country and tribe per PM for those interested as I don't want to publicly disparage a girl who was not actually scamming me.

Paid her and rushed to finish the Viagra at soi 6.

When I tell people I am a Pattaya retired expat I'm not being accurate enough. A retired soi 6 expat is a more apposite description based on my sex life here.

[QUOTE=XXL;2241542]Paid 55 e for Tinder Gold and was a better deal than 25 e / month for Thai Friendly premium.[/QUOTE]A Thaifriendly membership is $99/ year if you live here it is a very cheap option.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2241591]A Thaifriendly membership is $99/ year if you live here it is a very cheap option.[/QUOTE]Did my VPN trip me up? Anyways, I'm glad I went for the monthly google store option as cancelling was easy. No need for two apps covering the same ground. I must say I was a bit peeved at having been "liked" on TF by such a consistent collection of menopausal MILFs. I also like the way Gold members can show interest and boost their standing on Tinder.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241500]Does that mean you didn't hang out with her for some time after buying a lady drink? You can weed out a bunch of useless girls in those first 15 to 30 minutes. That one lady drink can save you an hour of frustration. Buying a ladydrink should at least get you DFK, grinding, and mutual groping. If not, move on unless she's the hottest girl you have ever met in Thailand.[/QUOTE]But there is a saying, an empty wagon makes the most noise. I can't really remember having many bad sessions in Thailand, but one I for sure remember was almost 9 years ago when I first got my place there. When I met the chick in Lucifer she was doing all of the above that you mentioned. When I got her home she was a total dud. A few days later my brother got up on the same chick in the club. I tried to warn him but he took her anyway because of all that shit she was doing. He said she was a dud for him as well.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2241107]I did some recon today here and the waitresses absolutely cannot be bar fined. How do I know you ask? Because I asked them straight.[/QUOTE]Perhaps a new development as they were barfinable before. I saw them get bar fined on several occasions.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2241107]I did some recon today here and the waitresses absolutely cannot be bar fined. How do I know you ask? Because I asked them straight. However, the server I spoke to did say she could meet me after her shift. That is not bar fining but it is called freelancing. Furthermore, common sense would prevail when thinking about most ladies working in Patts in a normal job, they have for sure freelanced at one time or another. That's the main attraction for them to work here. They want to catch that farang sponsor or make money freelancing. Why else would they come to Patts to work a 10-12 K per month job they can get in any city in Thailand. Common sense guys! The same is line is not a magical path to pussy either.[/QUOTE]I barfined a waitress from Scooters bar on soi 6 a few years back so I'm assuming you can barfine them at all of their bars.

Going to be in Pattaya in a few weeks. Are the below prices accurate-ish for what hot gogo girls are asking for these days?

5000 long time.

3000 short time.

I'm mostly going to be interested in LT as I don't like sleeping alone. Just want to make sure I don't overpay and encourage inflating prices.

Presumably, girls will be less inclined to LT too early? Before midnight = 6000+?

Staying at Hilton.

Just got back from my latest trip to Pattaya and I think I am close to done with the town. I'm going back in a few months but I am NOT really looking forward to it. My last trip was during the Mourning Period so that doesn't count as far a judgement on the atmosphere but before that it seemed to have a spark with me perhaps because the town was still a new town from my perspective.

Meanwhile my love for Bangkok only grows larger! I went into Spanky's in Nana and it was great. Saw the hottest Thai I'd ever seen in there and she made me change my opinion that Filipinas are hotter than Thai women.

In Bangkok, you have a wide variety of humans many of whom look happy. In Pattaya you have Chinese tour hordes, insular Russian families and about 90,000 surly, fanny pack wearing Brits and Aussies in tank tops.

The girls in Pattaya seem even more hardcore than the big city girls in Bangkok too!

All just my opinion of course but am I the only guy who feels that Pattaya is a slimy racket of a sleaze town by the sea whereas Bangkok is an actual, energetic city?

[QUOTE=Lou32;2241760]

All just my opinion of course but am I the only guy who feels that Pattaya is a slimy racket of a sleaze town by the sea whereas Bangkok is an actual, energetic city?[/QUOTE]No, you're not.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2241760]Just got back from my latest trip to Pattaya and I think I am close to done with the town. [/QUOTE]

Lou32, which bars did you go to in Pattaya that turned you off so much? Did something in particular happen?

No one is going to argue that Bangkok doesn't have more culture, better places to eat, and more things to do than Pattaya but imo most guys who come to Pattaya aren't looking for any of those. They come to Pattaya for girls girls girls. I don't even consider Pattaya a city since it's so tiny.

I absolutely agree that the low life Cheap Charlies in wife beater shirts wears on you living in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2241713]Are the below prices accurate-ish for what hot gogo girls are asking for these days?

5000 long time.

3000 short time.

I'm mostly going to be interested in LT as I don't like sleeping alone. Just want to make sure I don't overpay and encourage inflating prices.

Presumably, girls will be less inclined to LT too early? Before midnight = 6000+?[/QUOTE]

3000 ST and 5000 LT is pretty standard pricing but there is no rule to say you can't negotiate, especially if your girl is not a top tier gogo girl. A gogo girl does not charge more to leave the bar early. In fact, many top girls are gone within the first hour after a gogo bar opens. The extra charge is the barfine. In Pattaya barfines in gogo bars can range from 1000 to 2000 with some having a reduced rate after midnight.

These are my rules which I have mentioned on here before. Never let a girl order more than one drink during a set. A set lasts for 15 or 20 minutes depending on the bar. Never buy drinks for the a girl's 'sister' unless you want to barfine the 'sister' instead. Never buy drinks for waitresses or mamasan unless you want to barfine the waitress or mamasan, which is highly unlikely! I've only barfined one gogo waitress. IIRC I believe her barfine was even higher than a regular gogo girl because they had to find someone to replace her. A scam I'm sure but I didn't care at the time. On a related topic yes you can take the girls from I-Rovers but I suspect it's as BKKdog says, only after her shift or on a day off.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241782]
3000 ST and 5000 LT is pretty standard pricing but there is no rule to say you can't negotiate, especially if your girl is not a top tier gogo girl. A gogo girl does not charge more to leave the bar early. In fact, many top girls are gone within the first hour after a gogo bar opens. The extra charge is the barfine. In Pattaya barfines in gogo bars can range from 1000 to 2000 with some having a reduced rate after midnight.

These are my rules which I have mentioned on here before. Never let a girl order more than one drink during a set. A set lasts for 15 or 20 minutes depending on the bar. Never buy drinks for the a girl's 'sister' unless you want to barfine the 'sister' instead. Never buy drinks for waitresses or mamasan unless you want to barfine the waitress or mamasan, which is highly unlikely! I've only barfined one gogo waitress. IIRC I believe her barfine was even higher than a regular gogo girl because they had to find someone to replace her. A scam I'm sure but I didn't care at the time. On a related topic yes you can take the girls from I-Rovers but I suspect it's as BKKdog says, only after her shift or on a day off.[/QUOTE]Wdym top girls are gone within 1 hour of bar opening? Don't most gogo bars open at like 6-7 pm?

My experience before in BKK at least was that top girls much preferred doing multiple STs to get more $$$ & that if you wanted to LT barfine her earlier on in the night, she'd quote much higher than if it were later?

I mean shit, please tell me I'm wrong because if pattaya is different. I'm going to be waiting outsite the gogos before they even open and barfining the #1 girl LT every night haha.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2241760]

In Bangkok, you have a wide variety of humans many of whom look happy. In Pattaya you have Chinese tour hordes, insular Russian families and about 90,000 surly, fanny pack wearing Brits and Aussies in tank tops.

The girls in Pattaya seem even more hardcore than the big city girls in Bangkok too!

All just my opinion of course but am I the only guy who feels that Pattaya is a slimy racket of a sleaze town by the sea whereas Bangkok is an actual, energetic city?[/QUOTE]Not just hardcore, but less attractive and generally pathetic in bed for someone like me who considers BBFS and/or BBBJ+CIM with young, attractive girls to be the primary objective instead of getting so shit-faced drunk on the cheap even pathetic sex with barely acceptable girls works fine. I used to hightail it right to Pattaya and only spend the first and last night in Bangkok due to proximity to the airport. But that was 20-25 years ago. Now I only go there instead of Bangkok if a friend insists on the trip.

Anyone who knows me knows I am a BKK'er through & through, but having recently spent a 4 night weekend in Pattaya, I must say I was pretty impressed with the quality I found there. VERY IMPRESSED! Yeah, I went mostly to the agency bars, but that is only because I go where the talent is. I hate the bifurcated barfine shit, but Oh La La on the girls and they were great in bed too. My favorite Go Go's: Infinity, Sapphire, Sensations, and Tantra (thanks BB for the tip). I also liked What's Up although I did not barfine there, and Baccara (Walking Street) although Baccara (Walking Street) is not half as good as Bacarra Cowboy IMHO. Ha Ha. I don't think they are even related.

My favorite Pattaya girl was an Infinity negligee girl. She had it all: looks, fabulous body, personality, and a great sex drive, although I must say that all my Pattaya girls were repeat worthy especially my cute Sapphire girl and my 27 year old 2nd floor Baccara girl impersonating a 22 year old girl pretending to be a 17 year old school girl. In short I had a great time and should have allocated more time here, but you can't be everywhere. I plan to take another 4 or 5 days off my next BKK visit to go Pattaya in May.

One more thing: As stated above, Pattaya in early October was great (May thru October is good as well), but I would not even contemplate going in high high season (Dec - Jan). I would not want to fight the tourist crowds or have to stand in line for the prettiest, most popular girls. That is not my idea of a good time. Hotel rates in high high season are sky high as well and that should tell you all you need to know.

Stay thirsty,

NB (still in Jakarta and loving it)

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2241867]Anyone who knows me knows I am a BKK'er through & through, but having recently spent a 4 night weekend in Pattaya, I must say I was pretty impressed with the quality I found there. VERY IMPRESSED! Yeah, I went mostly to the agency bars, but that is only because I go where the talent is. I hate the bifurcated barfine shit, but Oh La La on the girls and they were great in bed too. My favorite Go Go's: Infinity, Sapphire, Sensations, and Tantra (thanks BB for the tip). I also liked What's Up although I did not barfine there, and Baccara (Walking Street) although Baccara (Walking Street) is not half as good as Bacarra Cowboy IMHO. Ha Ha. I don't think they are even related.

My favorite Pattaya girl was an Infinity negligee girl. She had it all: looks, fabulous body, personality, and a great sex drive, although I must say that all my Pattaya girls were repeat worthy especially my cute Sapphire girl and my 27 year old 2nd floor Baccara girl impersonating a 22 year old girl pretending to be a 17 year old school girl. In short I had a great time and should have allocated more time here, but you can't be everywhere. I plan to take another 4 or 5 days off my next BKK visit to go Pattaya in May.

One more thing: As stated above, Pattaya in early October was great (May thru October is good as well), but I would not even contemplate going in high high season (Dec - Jan). I would not want to fight the tourist crowds or have to stand in line for the prettiest, most popular girls. That is not my idea of a good time. Hotel rates in high high season are sky high as well and that should tell you all you need to know.

Stay thirsty,

NB (still in Jakarta and loving it)[/QUOTE]Guess I'll have to give the place another in a long list of second chances to grab me. LOL. See, it's posts like yours that convince me to agree to another trip with friends who want to go there.

A friend of mine from USA is coming to Thailand for the first time in a few days and I assumed we would take a side trip to Pattaya for 2-3 days so he can check it out. Ok, I'll pony up whatever thousands of baht it takes to try one of those "agency girls" and see what happens. Hopefully I can keep from wasting most of that money and time if I have a brief and audible chat with the girl before laying out serious money to see if it is at all possible to get a clear, unambiguous and truthful "Yes" agreement to just one of my two critical requests. Otherwise, no way am I going to make one of those "go with the flow" bets with a Pattaya girl. And if not, I'm coming to this forum to blame YOU! (hehe).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241869]
A friend of mine from USA is coming to Thailand for the first time in a few days and I assumed we would take a side trip to Pattaya for 2-3 days so he can check it out. Ok, I'll pony up whatever thousands of baht it takes to try one of those "agency girls" and see what happens. Hopefully I can keep from wasting most of that money if I can have a clear and unambiguous chat with the girl before laying out serious money to see if it is at all possible to get a truthful "Yes" agreement to just one of my two critical requests. If not, I'm coming to this forum to blame YOU! (hehe).[/QUOTE]Just bear in mind EihTooms that my requirements are not as stringent as yours are. I do enjoy BBFS, DATY, and 69, for example, with certain select girls that measure up, but I do not expect BBFS, I am just willing to engage in it when it is available from the right girls.

You know Thai girls better than me so you know that a lot of them won't offer it or consider it until they know you better. - usually after 3 or 4 sessions, some won't consider it with a punter for months, and some never. All I am saying is that holding to your requirements eliminates the number of otherwise attractive candidates quite significantly. After my trip is over I will calculate the number of BBFS girls I have had. I have had a number of them, but I estimate not even 50%.

Just as I was fearing a repeat of yesterday's dud I struck gold, the only bad news was that she'll be leaving Thailand in one week for want of a visa extension. Real Kenyan gazelle, a 9 on Tinder and a good 8 in flesh and blood. God those endless legs! And that pussy tasting like pussy, not like rotten fish dissolved in betadine. A black girl I would session even in her own country. Rather uninteractive in bed, no GF bullshit or fake orgasm but what a sight! I needed my eyes to get tintillated, not my ego.

I'll try to pack her into my schedule over the next few days. Meet her in Bali in January if she's still there. Well, provided she has not got too spoiled by Bali prices by then.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2241871]Just bear in mind EihTooms that my requirements are not as stringent as yours are. I do enjoy BBFS, DATY, and 69, for example, with certain select girls that measure up, but I do not expect BBFS, I am just willing to engage in it when it is available from the right girls.

You know Thai girls better than me so you know that a lot of them won't offer it or consider it until they know you better. - usually after 3 or 4 sessions, some won't consider it with a punter for months, and some never. All I am saying is that holding to your requirements eliminates the number of otherwise attractive candidates quite significantly. After my trip is over I will calculate the number of BBFS girls I have had. I have had a number of them, but I estimate not even 50%.[/QUOTE]Understood. But I am still in for a genuine and complete BBBJ+CIM, my other option. The problem with me and Pattaya is my either/or flexibility on this does not eliminate the number of attractive candidates in Bangkok (even last night and this very day too) nearly as severely as it has in Pattaya over the past several years. Which is why I have written off Pattaya as a worthwhile P4P destination of late. For me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241835]Not just hardcore, but less attractive and generally pathetic in bed for someone like me who considers BBFS and/or BBBJ+CIM with young, attractive girls [/QUOTE]I'm happy to read that girls aren't doing BBFS with everyone. I have actually cut off some girls because they offered BBFS. With familiarity, girls including the supposed low mileage gogo girls do BBFS. More common is BBFS on Soi 6 or a G club if you are a repeat customer. BBBJ + CIM is very common on Soi 6 and almost a given in a G Club. Swallowing not so much. Most run to spit. Only time I ever see a Thai girl move quickly.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2241828]Wdym top girls are gone within 1 hour of bar opening? Don't most gogo bars open at like 6-7 pm?

My experience before in BKK at least was that top girls much preferred doing multiple STs to get more $$$ & that if you wanted to LT barfine her earlier on in the night, she'd quote much higher than if it were later?

I mean shit, please tell me I'm wrong because if pattaya is different. I'm going to be waiting outsite the gogos before they even open and barfining the #1 girl LT every night haha.[/QUOTE]Most gogo bars in Pattaya open at 8 pm with a few exceptions like Windmill, Baccara, etc. Some actually aren't opening until 8:30 now. Guess they figure business is slow at 8 pm which it is. You have to act quickly in a gogo bar. Japanese and Korean men are impatient. They barfine a girl within a minute after even seeing the one they like on stage.

Walking Street is full of fairly wealthy Japanese and Korean and more recently Chinese. These guys don't do ST. The 2000 baht is irrelevant to them. They all take girls LT and take them to a disco or other gogo bars before going back to their hotel. It's not that common to see girls return to the bar after a ST. They usually take the opportunity to go out with their friends or guys they like to hang out with. IMHO competition is much stiffer in Pattaya gogo bars than Bangkok for popular girls and you can read here how some guys can't compete, usually by saying how they don't like Pattaya. I've met some older guys who have given up on Pattaya since they can't pull in the girls they want no matter how much money they have.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241960]-snip-

IMHO competition is much stiffer in Pattaya gogo bars than Bangkok for popular girls and you can read here how some guys can't compete, usually by saying how they don't like Pattaya. I've met some older guys who have given up on Pattaya since they can't pull in the girls they want no matter how much money they have.[/QUOTE]That is one way if looking at it. And I might agree with you if the percentage of good looking girls to mediocre looking girls in the scene in Pattaya came close to that in Bangkok. But it doesn't.

In my case and observation, the key words are "attractive girls" in Pattaya that I would want to have real sex with, as in BBFS or BBBJ+CIM.

So my way of looking at it is the girls who cannot compete and have given up trying to get good customers in Bangkok go to Pattaya where the customer base is far less discerning and particular about the looks and skills of the P4P girls.

Not sure I have seen more than 2 girls in the whole city, including non pros working in the malls, that I'd leave my room 10 minutes earlier for in hopes that this will be my lucky day to catch her before the mad rush and be graced with her company for an hour, regardless of the money.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2241674]I barfined a waitress from Scooters bar on soi 6 a few years back so I'm assuming you can barfine them at all of their bars.[/QUOTE]That would be great if my post was about scooters but it wasn't. It was about the I-Rovers sports bar in LK Metro. Why did you think I was talking about Scooters?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2241662]Perhaps a new development as they were barfinable before. I saw them get bar fined on several occasions.[/QUOTE]Really? Who would serve the food and drinks if they could be bar fined?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2242064]Really? Who would serve the food and drinks if they could be bar fined?[/QUOTE]Last time I was in BKK my brother bar fined a server. This restaurant was in Soi 4 NEP opposite side of the road and Country Road was the name. We had dinner there and he jokingly asked how much to barfine and she gave him a price and I remember she said he was her first customer since working there for 1 week. We both went to Nana but he went back and took her.

Whether it was a barfine or after shift I don't know because I wasn't with him but I do recall her confirming barfines before we left.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2242126]Last time I was in BKK my brother bar fined a server. This restaurant was in Soi 4 NEP opposite side of the road and Country Road was the name. We had dinner there and he jokingly asked how much to barfine and she gave him a price and I remember she said he was her first customer since working there for 1 week. We both went to Nana but he went back and took her.

Whether it was a barfine or after shift I don't know because I wasn't with him but I do recall her confirming barfines before we left.[/QUOTE]Country Road was a bar in Soi Cowboy not a restaurant.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2242200]Country Road was a bar in Soi Cowboy not a restaurant.[/QUOTE]There was in February a restaurant / bar called Country Road on Soi 4. It was near the Ibis. The establishment I'm referring to is called the Bus Stop. It is on the opposite side of Soi 4 from NEP.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2242063]That would be great if my post was about scooters but it wasn't. It was about the I-Rovers sports bar in LK Metro. Why did you think I was talking about Scooters?[/QUOTE]At times although we should keep things simple it is just too simple to some?

As you noted I-Rover just because it has the word Bar it doesn't mean it is a place you can barfine the girls. ! There are a number of places just outside of I-Rover, that serve food and have girls you can BF, they are pretty obvious because there are servers and girls sitting on stools doing nothing but being eye candy. Jibby's, Scooters, Billibong there are about a half dozen of them if not more.

As for I-Rover, the girls are mainly servers of food and I-rovers from what I understand there are girls that will go with you but no during work hours and certainly they aren't going to drop their plate of fries for a customer and go upstairs with you for ST or LT, I know this from regulars I know but never ask or care because I never have seen anything I like, plus I have a rule business is business and pleasure is pleasure that means for me what I eat I don't want anyone messing with it?

A place like I-Rover food watching sports girls talk and certainly they aren't going to go with a customer who stays at the place which is what the original question was about. As you noted you ask and if they do it is going to be off hours and at your place not upstairs at I-rover. It isn't a really Bar as the others!

[QUOTE=RobJones;2242231]There was in February a restaurant / bar called Country Road on Soi 4. It was near the Ibis. The establishment I'm referring to is called the Bus Stop. It is on the opposite side of Soi 4 from NEP.[/QUOTE]Country Road was still there October 2018.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241960]
Most gogo bars in Pattaya open at 8 pm with a few exceptions like Windmill, Baccara, etc. Some actually aren't opening until 8:30 now. Guess they figure business is slow at 8 pm which it is. You have to act quickly in a gogo bar. Japanese and Korean men are impatient. They barfine a girl within a minute after even seeing the one they like on stage.

Walking Street is full of fairly wealthy Japanese and Korean and more recently Chinese. These guys don't do ST. The 2000 baht is irrelevant to them. They all take girls LT and take them to a disco or other gogo bars before going back to their hotel. It's not that common to see girls return to the bar after a ST. They usually take the opportunity to go out with their friends or guys they like to hang out with. IMHO competition is much stiffer in Pattaya gogo bars than Bangkok for popular girls and you can read here how some guys can't compete, usually by saying how they don't like Pattaya. I've met some older guys who have given up on Pattaya since they can't pull in the girls they want no matter how much money they have.[/QUOTE]Oh so its quite different than Bangkok where I see top girls cycling through ST customers all night.

So if you say competition is much stiffer. The girls are looking for what?

Young? Fun? Charming? Handsome? Boyfriend?

I'm 4 out of the 5, you can guess which I'm not tryna be LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241960] IMHO competition is much stiffer in Pattaya gogo bars than Bangkok for popular girls and you can read here how some guys can't compete, usually by saying how they don't like Pattaya. I've met some older guys who have given up on Pattaya since they can't pull in the girls they want no matter how much money they have.[/QUOTE]I agree that would be very frustrating if can't get the pretty girls no matter what, for us old guys.

I have been highly frustrated myself on occasion in Bangkok. Two girls kept refusing me in Long Gun years ago. Both stunners, but different bodies. One girl Noi eventualy went with me and then was terrible on the bed, so I could see why she refused me. LOL She might respond to younger spunky guys. At one time I really had the hots for her, a tall model type with really good tits.

Another super hot girl dancing right in front of me, in Baccara, would not even look at me or answer when I asked if she was available. She soon made a beeline for a young handsome Farang, she clearly knew already. These things are just a little frustrating. We all probably like to think of ourselves as one of the better potential customers, treating girls well.

So why go to Pattaya if is going to be so frustrating getting to the top girls? Already found Thermae quite frustrating. The girls I could get, and liked well enough, were never any good on the bed these days. So don't see any point to keep going to Thermae. Right? It's delusional if I keep believing my luck will change. Maybe luck could change once, then go bad again.

Clearly it is realistic to find girls that prefer old Farangs, and still in great shape themselves.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2242282]I agree that would be very frustrating if can't get the pretty girls no matter what, for us old guys.

I have been highly frustrated myself on occasion in Bangkok. Two girls kept refusing me in Long Gun years ago. Both stunners, but different bodies. One girl Noi eventualy went with me and then was terrible on the bed, so I could see why she refused me. LOL She might respond to younger spunky guys. At one time I really had the hots for her, a tall model type with really good tits.

Another super hot girl dancing right in front of me, in Baccara, would not even look at me or answer when I asked if she was available. She soon made a beeline for a young handsome Farang, she clearly knew already. These things are just a little frustrating. We all probably like to think of ourselves as one of the better potential customers, treating girls well.

So why go to Pattaya if is going to be so frustrating getting to the top girls? Already found Thermae quite frustrating. The girls I could get, and liked well enough, were never any good on the bed these days. So don't see any point to keep going to Thermae. Right? It's delusional if I keep believing my luck will change. Maybe luck could change once, then go bad again.

Clearly it is realistic to find girls that prefer old Farangs, and still in great shape themselves.[/QUOTE]Syzy, have you gone to Pattaya recently and surveyed the potential talent there? I would be interested to know where and how often your standards of beauty apply in that location these days. By my observation, seeing a truly well put together girl in terms of basic body and facial features is a very heavy lift in Pattaya. Virtually anywhere in town. There are some, very rare though, in terms of natural DNA, youth, fitness, whatever. But almost without exception they spoil it with big ugly tattoos in the worst possible places, weird piercings, braying nasally voices, heavy cigarette smoking, gobs of garish make-up and general turn off demeanor. For me, that is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242310]Syzy, have you gone to Pattaya recently and surveyed the potential talent there? I would be interested to know where and how often your standards of beauty apply in that location these days. By my observation, seeing a truly well put together girl in terms of basic body and facial features is a very heavy lift in Pattaya. Virtually anywhere in town. There are some, very rare though, in terms of natural DNA, youth, fitness, whatever. But almost without exception they spoil it with big ugly tattoos in the worst possible places, weird piercings, braying nasally voices, heavy cigarette smoking, gobs of garish make-up and general turn off demeanor. For me, that is.[/QUOTE]I'd agree with you. Most are very rough, bordering on feral at times. I just don't like the vibe from most of them. Pattaya used to be charmingly sleazy; now it's just gross. And that harsh Isaan growl and personality. I can do without that. Of course there are exceptions, but more often than naught when I am down there I end up empty handed. Friend was there over the weekend and didn't partake once. He lived in Hong Kong for a long time and still sends me pics of 141 gals that you can have for the equivalent of 1600 Baht. And they just put the Thai gals to shame.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2242282]I agree that would be very frustrating if can't get the pretty girls no matter what, for us old guys.

I have been highly frustrated myself on occasion in Bangkok. Two girls kept refusing me in Long Gun years ago. Both stunners, but different bodies. One girl Noi eventualy went with me and then was terrible on the bed, so I could see why she refused me. LOL She might respond to younger spunky guys. At one time I really had the hots for her, a tall model type with really good tits.

Another super hot girl dancing right in front of me, in Baccara, would not even look at me or answer when I asked if she was available. She soon made a beeline for a young handsome Farang, she clearly knew already. These things are just a little frustrating. We all probably like to think of ourselves as one of the better potential customers, treating girls well.

So why go to Pattaya if is going to be so frustrating getting to the top girls? Already found Thermae quite frustrating. The girls I could get, and liked well enough, were never any good on the bed these days. So don't see any point to keep going to Thermae. Right? It's delusional if I keep believing my luck will change. Maybe luck could change once, then go bad again.

Clearly it is realistic to find girls that prefer old Farangs, and still in great shape themselves.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons for choosing BKK as a place to live in '99 was seeing all the old dudes with the hottest gals. Back in the day the 50's and 60's guys always seems to have the sexiest gals. Not anymore. Now the scene in BKK is dominated by Asian dudes, many of them quite young. They are less demanding, will take what they get, and not make a fuss. It's their scene now. The farang is not going to make a comeback.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2242324]One of the reasons for choosing BKK as a place to live in '99 was seeing all the old dudes with the hottest gals. Back in the day the 50's and 60's guys always seems to have the sexiest gals. Not anymore. Now the scene in BKK is dominated by Asian dudes, many of them quite young. They are less demanding, will take what they get, and not make a fuss. It's their scene now. The farang is not going to make a comeback.[/QUOTE]Another way to look at it is to say that the mongering scene has degenerated into kind of a dating scene.

The SJWs who keep agitating against "dirty old men" abusing pretty young things in Thailand have no clue how far off from the truth they are.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2140991]Thanks for the advice. But look at it this way, when you are hungry, you can get full eating at home, at a Thai street food stall on Beach Road, McDonald's near Beach Road 13/1 or the Hooters Pattaya, next to it. Hopefully you understand that analogy. It's what separates those with higher rationale from others. Unfortunately, we are not all blessed by God with the same abilities and powers to get what we want out of life.

Reasons I pay more.

1. To get the exact experience that I want.

2. To get the exact girls I want.

3. To get it at the exact time I want.

4. To get it done at the exact place I want.

5. And money to me ain't shit..[/QUOTE]Monkey paw,

You are awesome man. I have read your posts and can understand that you are enjoying the life by fucking beautiful girls and living luxurious life without caring about money that you spend. I am very curious and eager to know the basic idea of your method of earnings. Hope you would not mind. Would you please let me know, how have you been able to spend so much money on these girls? Are you a business tycoon? Please ignore if you don't want to answer. But if you don't mind then please let me know either in open forum or through PM. Waiting for your reply.

Charlie28.

[QUOTE=XXL;2242327]Another way to look at it is to say that the mongering scene has degenerated into kind of a dating scene.

The SJWs who keep agitating against "dirty old men" abusing pretty young things in Thailand have no clue how far off from the truth they are.[/QUOTE]I'd actually say it is the opposite. Back in the day the gals wanted long term relationships; now most don't. They are making too much doing loads of Asian guys and milking sponsors from overseas. Used to they had to do their best to catch a dude with the where with all to take care of them. We used to say, "Guys don't come to Thailand to F% P4 P gals, they come to date P4 P gals. " But yes, the old dudes did take care of them pretty well. I know many that live here with gals they have been with for 20 years.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2242324]One of the reasons for choosing BKK as a place to live in '99 was seeing all the old dudes with the hottest gals. Back in the day the 50's and 60's guys always seems to have the sexiest gals. Not anymore. Now the scene in BKK is dominated by Asian dudes, many of them quite young. They are less demanding, will take what they get, and not make a fuss. It's their scene now. The farang is not going to make a comeback.[/QUOTE]I can't shake the suspicion that in the pre-Viagra days, those old dudes with a hot babe on each arm rarely had much sexual use of them. And the hot girl on each arm had carved out quite a deal for herself; get escorted around and supported in every way, had her family supported, and that old dude would be drunk and asleep before 11pm. At which point the girls could contact their young Thai boyfriends and set up quick little trysts somewhere at some time. And everyone who saw them strolling around with old Jasper knew it. Nice catch, honey.

But not today. Today, if such a girl is seen being carted around by an old dude, best guess by anyone observing them is that girl is dreading the evening ahead because it will be another night of very hard earned money. LOL. That would very much alter the quality of girl willing to take on such job for the next critical 10-20 years of her life. Again, just guessing. So I am not surprised that in THESE days, it is much harder to get a real hottie to commit herself to spending night after night for the next decade or more with some old dude 3 1/2 times her age and a boner at the ready almost every damn night.

The smartphone and pervasive online social networks changed the scene dramatically. And, imo, so did the invention and further development of those boner pills.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242397]I can't shake the suspicion that in the pre-Viagra days, those old dudes with a hot babe on each arm rarely had much sexual use of them. And the hot girl on each arm had carved out quite a deal for herself; get escorted around and supported in every way, had her family supported, and that old dude would be drunk and asleep before 11pm. At which point the girls could contact their young Thai boyfriends and set up quick little trysts somewhere at some time. And everyone who saw them strolling around with old Jasper knew it. Nice catch, honey.

But not today. Today, if such a girl is seen being carted around by an old dude, best guess by anyone observing them is that girl is dreading the evening ahead because it will be another night of very hard money earned. LOL. That would very much alter the quality of girl willing to take on such job for the next critical 10-20 years of her life. Again, just guessing. So I am not surprised that in THESE days, it is much harder to get a real hottie to commit herself to spending night after night for the next decade or more with some old dude 3 1/2 times her age and a boner at the ready almost every damn night.

The smartphone and pervasive online social networks changed the scene dramatically. And, imo, so did the invention and further development of those boner pills.[/QUOTE]Also thailand in general is just more developed than it was even 10 years ago. Got to go somewhere way way poor if you want that type of treatment still.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2242231]There was in February a restaurant / bar called Country Road on Soi 4. It was near the Ibis. The establishment I'm referring to is called the Bus Stop. It is on the opposite side of Soi 4 from NEP.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but you have completely lost me mate. Please read both your posts and you will understand why I'm confused.

On my second night, I checked out Papagayo Go Go. It's is located on Soi Diana and Soi Lengkee. Great little Gogo. I met a 22 year old spinner with a killer ass. Darker skin than I'm used to but a cute face and braces. Had a great time playing around with the girls and drinking and she was truly a diamond in the ruff. Lady drinks 160, bar fine 1000, and 3000 LT. She stayed until 2 PM the next day. Sex the night before was an incredible PSE and GFE the next morning. Her name is Bell. She is 1 of only 3 girls that were above average in the bar and like I said a true diamond in the ruff. The attached photos show the girl and the bar name in the background of one of the photos.

Has anybody ever wondered about those little massage shops? I have and I've never ever seen a report on them in the forum. So maybe this is the first one. On Soi Bukow (spelt wrong) beside the Subway, there was a cute girl out front. After checking out of my hotel, I decided to get a massage. 300 Baht for one hour. As I lay naked on the bed, the girl proceeds with a decent oil massage. After about 20 minutes, I was asked about special. I asked about boom boom. She said total 1,500. Next was a decent blow job and a 30 minute pounding. Paid the other 1200, showered and left. Overall worth the 1500 but next time, I will proposition one for an out call at my hotel. Photos from Google steeett view. Not worth the 500 for HJ or 1000 for BJ.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242397]I can't shake the suspicion that in the pre-Viagra days, those old dudes with a hot babe on each arm rarely had much sexual use of them. And the hot girl on each arm had carved out quite a deal for herself; get escorted around and supported in every way, had her family supported, and that old dude would be drunk and asleep before 11pm. At which point the girls could contact their young Thai boyfriends and set up quick little trysts somewhere at some time. And everyone who saw them strolling around with old Jasper knew it. Nice catch, honey.

But not today. Today, if such a girl is seen being carted around by an old dude, best guess by anyone observing them is that girl is dreading the evening ahead because it will be another night of very hard earned money. LOL. That would very much alter the quality of girl willing to take on such job for the next critical 10-20 years of her life. Again, just guessing. So I am not surprised that in THESE days, it is much harder to get a real hottie to commit herself to spending night after night for the next decade or more with some old dude 3 1/2 times her age and a boner at the ready almost every damn night.

The smartphone and pervasive online social networks changed the scene dramatically. And, imo, so did the invention and further development of those boner pills.[/QUOTE]Viagra was plentiful in the late 90's and early 00's. My sneaking suspicion is that the older guys at that time were the main ones with money, most being on fat expat packages.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2242488]Has anybody ever wondered about those little massage shops? I have and I've never ever seen a report on them in the forum. So maybe this is the first one. On Soi Bukow (spelt wrong) beside the Subway, there was a cute girl out front. After checking out of my hotel, I decided to get a massage. 300 Baht for one hour. As I lay naked on the bed, the girl proceeds with a decent oil massage. After about 20 minutes, I was asked about special. I asked about boom boom. She said total 1,500. Next was a decent blow job and a 30 minute pounding. Paid the other 1200, showered and left. Overall worth the 1500 but next time, I will proposition one for an out call at my hotel. Photos from Google steeett view. Not worth the 500 for HJ or 1000 for BJ.[/QUOTE]I have talked about massage places several times when someone has asked. Outcall is 500 for the massage and I give them another 500 for FS. Total 1000. The times that I have done it in-house I still give 500 plus the cost of the massage. After that, I will have the girl's contact info and give them 1000 for staying overnight when they get off work. In a lot of places the girls sleep at the shops anyway.

Many thanks!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2237631]Walked in to M Club the other day. Only spotted one girl. Anyone else been lately? Anyone know where cute face Nana is now?



Why I listed I-Rovers first.



There's an App available named Sure that allows you to control the TV channels. I've never used it myself but my buddy does. Pretty sure those clueless waitresses at Retox won't even notice you changed the channel. Just make sure it's ok with the guys at the tables around you it's ok to change.

It's fine for all the above. Like all other LK hotels the girl dumps her ID card at reception. Rooms are clean and decent. Looks to be one of the newest LK hotels. Only issue is it's not on a baht bus route but if you don't mind walking from 3rd Road to Soi Buakhao to catch a baht bus then it's ok. It is convenient to Soi Bumpy, Soi Full Love Inn, and LK Metro. LK Empress, LK Residence, and LK Metropole are better location wise but LK President is usually cheaper than the others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2237631]There's an App available named Sure that allows you to control the TV channels. I've never used it myself but my buddy does. Pretty sure those clueless waitresses at Retox won't even notice you changed the channel. Just make sure it's ok with the guys at the tables around you it's ok to change.[/QUOTE]I used to use that app a few years ago when I had a Samsung S5. I could control everything in my room with it. TV, AC, etc. Since I moved to an S7 and more recently a Note 9, the app is only good if you have a wifi network in place. It is something to do with infra-red. I am thinking the older phones had some kind of infra-red deal, while the newer ones don't and therefore must be done over the network.

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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2242324]One of the reasons for choosing BKK as a place to live in '99 was seeing all the old dudes with the hottest gals. Back in the day the 50's and 60's guys always seems to have the sexiest gals. Not anymore. Now the scene in BKK is dominated by Asian dudes, many of them quite young. They are less demanding, will take what they get, and not make a fuss. It's their scene now. The farang is not going to make a comeback.[/QUOTE]That was glorious, I loved seeing those couples with a decrepit old Farang with a legitimately hot Thai girl on his arm (secretly giving me a wink). I was in my late 20's back then, really looking forward to my 50's and 60's. Sadly, seems like it won't be happening, either in Thailand or elsewhere.

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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2242714]That was glorious, I loved seeing those couples with a decrepit old Farang with a legitimately hot Thai girl on his arm (secretly giving me a wink). I was in my late 20's back then, really looking forward to my 50's and 60's. Sadly, seems like it won't be happening, either in Thailand or elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Yep, that was one of the main reasons for choosing Thailand. Feel like I have been cheated in a way. And you are correct, won't be happening anywhere. Glad I came when I did and was able to catch the end of the Golden Age.

Can anyone recommend a bar / club / gogo where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?

Any of the soi 6 bars you can go upstairs for full service.

[QUOTE=Atom72;2242735]Can anyone recommend a bar / club / gogo where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Atom72;2242735]Can anyone recommend a bar / club / gogo where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?[/QUOTE]At Telephone bar, you can FS in the open. At Bar LE Post aka La Trafalgar, your babe of choice will move you to a dark corner in the main room. I've gotten a BJ there, but I'm not sure of FS. Since you're new here, with 3 post, you probably don't know where theses places are located: Google is your friend. At Gentlemens Clubs you'll do the deed behind curtains or private room. Soi 6 bars have upstairs rooms.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2242773]At Telephone bar, you can FS in the open. At Bar LE Post aka La Trafalgar, your babe of choice will move you to a dark corner in the main room. I've gotten a BJ there, but I'm not sure of FS. Since you're new here, with 3 post, you probably don't know where theses places are located: Google is your friend. At Gentlemens Clubs you'll do the deed behind curtains or private room. Soi 6 bars have upstairs rooms.[/QUOTE]Thanks Java Man, I really appreciate the information.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2242488]Has anybody ever wondered about those little massage shops? I have and I've never ever seen a report on them in the forum. So maybe this is the first one. On Soi Bukow (spelt wrong) beside the Subway, there was a cute girl out front. After checking out of my hotel, I decided to get a massage. 300 Baht for one hour. As I lay naked on the bed, the girl proceeds with a decent oil massage. After about 20 minutes, I was asked about special. I asked about boom boom. She said total 1,500. Next was a decent blow job and a 30 minute pounding. Paid the other 1200, showered and left. Overall worth the 1500 but next time, I will proposition one for an out call at my hotel. Photos from Google steeett view. Not worth the 500 for HJ or 1000 for BJ.[/QUOTE]I've mentioned these places many times just not by name. On Soi Buakhao across the street from AG Massage on the other side of Soi Lengkee you will see girls in pink t-shirts at Warren Massage and girls in white t-shirts at Oma Massage. Both these places can also have pretty young cute girls at times. These girls can be talked down to 1000 baht for FS if you care to be bothered with the negotiation process. Girl will likely go with you to your room for 1500 before her shift. If during her shift you will still have to pay the 300 shop fee for an oily.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2242481]On my second night, I checked out Papagayo Go Go. It's is located on Soi Diana and Soi Lengkee. Great little Gogo. I met a 22 year old spinner with a killer ass. Darker skin than I'm used to but a cute face and braces. Had a great time playing around with the girls and drinking and she was truly a diamond in the ruff. Lady drinks 160, bar fine 1000, and 3000 LT. She stayed until 2 PM the next day. Sex the night before was an incredible PSE and GFE the next morning. Her name is Bell. She is 1 of only 3 girls that were above average in the bar and like I said a true diamond in the ruff. The attached photos show the girl and the bar name in the background of one of the photos.[/QUOTE]I used to go to Papagayo with some other ISG members who liked the bar but the girls there can not be trained on my 3 or 4 drink per hour maximum so I just gave up. Too many tourist Farang on Soi Diana have ruined Papagayo. No one really hot enough anyways to be of concern for me. Glad you were able to find someone to your liking.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2242488]Has anybody ever wondered about those little massage shops? I have and I've never ever seen a report on them in the forum.[/QUOTE]Off Soi Buakhao is Soi Chalermphrakiat 25 with a lot of massage joints that have been commented on before.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2243476]Off Soi Buakhao is Soi Chalermphrakiat 25 with a lot of massage joints that have been commented on before.[/QUOTE]That is something different. Those are fuck shops. The chicks on that soi would not know how to give a massage if you paid them.

Spotted a girl I liked and who seemed glad to have me. Asked her how much for the room, she said 350. But when I handed out a 500 at the counter I was told "room 500 if not buy lady drink". I demanded my 500 back and walked out.

Picked a girl from the shop next door (room 400).

Live on soi 6. This is busiest I've seen it for a very long time. Almost every bar has girls along the front row waiting for guys.

[QUOTE=XXL;2243627]Spotted a girl I liked and who seemed glad to have me. Asked her how much for the room, she said 350. But when I handed out a 500 at the counter I was told "room 500 if not buy lady drink". I demanded my 500 back and walked out.[/QUOTE]Do you remember the name of the bar? Maybe it's the Miss be-Heaven Bar?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2243702]Do you remember the name of the bar? Maybe it's the Miss be-Heaven Bar?[/QUOTE]Don't remember. It was quite far down towards Beach Road.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2243669]Live on soi 6. This is busiest I've seen it for a very long time. Almost every bar has girls along the front row waiting for guys.[/QUOTE]What does this mean? Is it hard to get girls?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2243745]What does this mean? Is it hard to get girls?[/QUOTE]It means girls girls girls everywhere. Most bars had one or no customers and girls all sitting around.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2243476]Off Soi Buakhao is Soi Chalermphrakiat 25 with a lot of massage joints that have been commented on before.[/QUOTE]Better known as Soi Chiayaphoon or The Poon.

[QUOTE=XXL;2243627]Spotted a girl I liked and who seemed glad to have me. Asked her how much for the room, she said 350. But when I handed out a 500 at the counter I was told "room 500 if not buy lady drink". I demanded my 500 back and walked out.

Picked a girl from the shop next door (room 400).[/QUOTE]Well, okay, on principal, I get it, you win. But dang, in terms of money, you saved $3 and passed up "... a girl I liked and who seemed glad. " So umm, wfh?

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2243937]Well, okay, on principal, I get it, you win. But dang, in terms of money, you saved $3 and passed up "... a girl I liked and who seemed glad. " So umm, wfh?[/QUOTE]Not to mention the negative impression it creates of western tourists. I always try to look nice, so the girls know I have some money I am willing to spend.

I guess I just have more respect for the Thai, as I came late to the scene and don't see them as subhumans I can pay to treat like shit for $15 USD. They are enterprising hookers trying to make money and the market rate is the market rate. An additional charge for not buying a drink is 100% reasonable. I would have just bought the girl a drink.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2243702]Do you remember the name of the bar? Maybe it's the Miss be-Heaven Bar?[/QUOTE]Retraced my steps today. It was indeed be-Heaven.

Some wanderings I made this week.

Soi 6 - per my live update yesterday, tons of girls yesterday around 3:30 pm. Oddly the later it got the fewer girls I saw. Possibly because they were busy or went for dinner. One of my regulars came back after 3 months. Made me happy to see her.

Kinnaree. It was Tuesday and I broke my golden rule never to go on a Monday or Tuesday because it's dead. What a complete waste of time. Could not have been more than 10-12 girls and they were iBar quality only. Same age group as the older iBar girls too. Not my type. Wasted an hour there thinking things may pick up but definitely didn't. Only decent girls there were 2 of 4 Kit Cat girls I know who came in with an obese Indian man. Even worse than the Tuesday lineup I looked around and no guys are getting HJ's or DFK from the girls which was a given 2 years ago. Too many tourists ruining Kinnaree. Reaffirms why I don't ever mention some of my go to bars.

Passion Jomtien. I think this is the current G club to go to. Don't expect gogo quality but at least they're younger and a couple were cute. Maybe 30 girls. Not sure why I chose my girl other than she said Hello, by sticking her tongue down my throat and hands up my shorts. Still didn't go to a room with her since I was waiting for a cute one who was being manhandled by an old Farang. Passion is how a G club should be. Will be back soon. Too bad it's such a pain to get to without a motorbike.

Club 4 - Very old and overweight staff. One bright spot is Ying who I met 2 years ago. Still young and better than average looking. Nice girl.

Carre Blanc. My favorite G girl is long gone from here but I keep going in hopes to find another like her. No luck. Girls are older here so I didn't stay.

M Club. Still dead.

007 - the best of the lot on Full Love Inn but I didn't visit Pirates this week. Talent is still down but I have a regular girl there who is absolutely wild.

Full Love Inn is really suffering. Complaints from all the girls I talked to on how dead it is. Hoping high season changes things. Sorry girls but Full Love Inn is not a usual destination for most tourists.

Anyone been to Jade House, Camel Toe, Kit Cat, Den, Geisha, Come Together, Xzyte, Booze Lounge, Telephone Bar or any of the other G clubs / BJ bars lately?

I was sitting with a bar beer girl I have known since she worked at a LK Metro gogo bar. Imo she can still work at a gogo bar since she's cute, fun, and under 25. However, she is very self conscious about her stretch marks which aren't even terrible. Anyways, while I was sitting with her the manager hands her salary to her. She said it was for the month of October. To my total shock her pay was under 4000 baht for drinks and salary. Is this right? Is this all those bar beer girls make? Or was there something lost in translation that this was pay for the week? I know gogo girls make at least 10k per 7-10 days if they meet their drink quota.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2244134] To my total shock her pay was under 4000 baht for drinks and salary. Is this right? Is this all those bar beer girls make? Or was there something lost in translation that this was pay for the week?[/QUOTE]I used to read the comments in the facebook pages of some of soi 6 bars. When girls were showing interest and ask questions about how much money they can make, management was saying that they can make around 40 K bahts per month. But it was not detailed how much was from fixed salary and drinks and how much from fucking with customers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2244134]I was sitting with a bar beer girl I have known since she worked at a LK Metro gogo bar. Imo she can still work at a gogo bar since she's cute, fun, and under 25. However, she is very self conscious about her stretch marks which aren't even terrible. Anyways, while I was sitting with her the manager hands her salary to her. She said it was for the month of October. To my total shock her pay was under 4000 baht for drinks and salary. Is this right? Is this all those bar beer girls make? Or was there something lost in translation that this was pay for the week? I know gogo girls make at least 10k per 7-10 days if they meet their drink quota.[/QUOTE]What's the point to speculate unless you know how many days she worked, how many fines for late or non-attendance, fines for failure to meet drink quota etc. ?

Many girls lose their entire monthly salary, due to poor attendance, so they don't live of it at all. Oom at Crazy House was one of my regulars. She hardly showed up. Got no salary I am sure. Needed to sell some drinks and fuck a few guys.

At most bars I am familiar with girls get paid drink commissions each night, it is not part of their monthly salary. Salary is to show up by a certain time and to dance in gogo bars. Fines for not selling a drinks minimum and not being BFed a minimum number of times.

Some girls are free lancers and only show up selected days, and get no monthly salary at all. They still sell drinks and get bar fined.

Not an expert on Pattaya's bars of course but I imagine the same principals can apply. The rules in each bar vary a lot though.

In Bangkok, Crazy House started out very successfully because they paid higher than normal monthly salaries, maybe 12 K (5 years ago). This allowed them to attract some very good looking girls and few uglies if any at the start. Unfortunately it did not last. They starting accepting any old girls and pay became less competitive.

Some bars like Suzie Wong had severe penalities for girls failing to meet a drinks sold quota. This means the girl might, in some cases be preferring help to reach her quota over cash tips. I know this sounds crazy as she could buy lady drinks herself. LOL There were ways to help. I would only buy lady drinks, and very little for myself. When no one was looking, I could switch glasses and help drink the lady drink, providing it was satisfactory. So order a lady drink that I could drink, could be tequilas, and order for myself, something she preferred to drink. So more lady drinks than customer drinks and I helped her to drink them, and she got closer to quota.

Was I fooled. I doubt it, since I offered her good cash tips instead but she preferred to sell more drinks, where her commission was less, but cut down her fines.
Girls that struggle to get barfined may have to live off monthly salary. Coyotes get paid more, but why? Some of them are crappy.

What girls end up making varies a hell of a lot. Best girl in Suzie Wong was Cambodian and very hard working. She could do several STs on a good night. Never late for work, sold good amounts of drinks so got a full salary as well. She could make 100K to 150K per month. Was using it to build a huge house back across the border. Eventually ran into the problem of not having a Thai Id card to allow her to work the bar. Police and govt crackdowns on foreign girls. Forced to take on a sponser/boyfriend.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2244134]I was sitting with a bar beer girl I have known since she worked at a LK Metro gogo bar. Imo she can still work at a gogo bar since she's cute, fun, and under 25. However, she is very self conscious about her stretch marks which aren't even terrible. Anyways, while I was sitting with her the manager hands her salary to her. She said it was for the month of October. To my total shock her pay was under 4000 baht for drinks and salary. Is this right? Is this all those bar beer girls make? Or was there something lost in translation that this was pay for the week? I know gogo girls make at least 10k per 7-10 days if they meet their drink quota.[/QUOTE]Almost certainly for the week, if not the day.

I booked my flight to Thailand mid November and it's going to be my first time visiting Pattaya. I have some experience mongering in Tijuana but want to try something new and the current political situation isn't looking good in Mexico.

So the things I'm looking forward to trying are: Soi 6, Freelance Disco, Beach Road, and Soapies.

I don't want to spend over 3000 baht on a girl so I'm going to avoid gogo bars and limit soapies.

What I look for in a girl isn't much: early to mid 20's, performs well in bed, smells normal, not fat.

Also I want to get a full canvas suit made at Ama Fashion for around $300.

Are there any other activities that you recommend I should try or places to visit or just general advise?

I'll be sure to contribute to the forum by writing proper reports.

Oh also some small travel questions, will there be an issue finding a taxi to pattaya at the airport at midnight 1 am or should I book ahead using an online taxi service? I assume it would take about an less than an hour to go through customs and get a sim card because the lines would be shorter during midnight.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2244134]I was sitting with a bar beer girl I have known since she worked at a LK Metro gogo bar. Imo she can still work at a gogo bar since she's cute, fun, and under 25. However, she is very self conscious about her stretch marks which aren't even terrible. Anyways, while I was sitting with her the manager hands her salary to her. She said it was for the month of October. To my total shock her pay was under 4000 baht for drinks and salary. Is this right? Is this all those bar beer girls make? Or was there something lost in translation that this was pay for the week? I know gogo girls make at least 10k per 7-10 days if they meet their drink quota.[/QUOTE]Years pass the general rate for working at a beer bar was 3,000 baht a month so not surprised. If she is still working after all the years she might be doing just fine do to the BF? I know a few Go Go Agencies or whatever call themselves these days make that in a week. Many take 10 day contracts don't make the quote and on payday with all the deductions might get 4-6000 baht.

OK, so it seems FS is not really going to happen in the bar anymore, sign of the times I guess. So how about establishments where they'll pull it out and give you a tug in a dark corner for a couple of lady drinks?

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2244222]Also I want to get a full canvas suit made at Ama Fashion for around $300.[/QUOTE]I don't know what this canvas business is, but I know Chris ain't charging $300 for a suit. You better talk him down to $150. When you get clothes made in Pattaya, the expensive thing is the jacket. Pants and shit are pretty cheap. My friend hooked me on to buying the material and bringing it to one of the ladies at the shops behind Tukcom to sew it up. Will save tons by cutting out the middle man.

You said soi 6, but you should also visit beer bars in other places. Soi 6 is cool but it is a lot different from other beer bars like those on naklua or soi 7 and 8. Some of those are more laid back, you play dice games etc while you get to know the girl. Also try kinnaree gentleman's club or places like that. I didn't really know about them when I was there and only went to kinnaree once.

If you have a list of things you want to try, say 2 girls at a time or similar, make sure and do that. It was easy for me not to do things that were a bit more complicated and I would just get a girl instead of trying to find 2.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2244222]I booked my flight to Thailand mid November and it's going to be my first time visiting Pattaya. I have some experience mongering in Tijuana but want to try something new and the current political situation isn't looking good in Mexico.

So the things I'm looking forward to trying are: Soi 6, Freelance Disco, Beach Road, and Soapies.

I don't want to spend over 3000 baht on a girl so I'm going to avoid gogo bars and limit soapies.

What I look for in a girl isn't much: early to mid 20's, performs well in bed, smells normal, not fat.

Also I want to get a full canvas suit made at Ama Fashion for around $300.

Are there any other activities that you recommend I should try or places to visit or just general advise?

I'll be sure to contribute to the forum by writing proper reports.

Oh also some small travel questions, will there be an issue finding a taxi to pattaya at the airport at midnight 1 am or should I book ahead using an online taxi service? I assume it would take about an less than an hour to go through customs and get a sim card because the lines would be shorter during midnight.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2244222]I booked my flight to Thailand mid November and it's going to be my first time visiting Pattaya. I have some experience mongering in Tijuana but want to try something new and the current political situation isn't looking good in Mexico.

So the things I'm looking forward to trying are: Soi 6, Freelance Disco, Beach Road, and Soapies.

I don't want to spend over 3000 baht on a girl so I'm going to avoid gogo bars and limit soapies.

What I look for in a girl isn't much: early to mid 20's, performs well in bed, smells normal, not fat.

Also I want to get a full canvas suit made at Ama Fashion for around $300.

Are there any other activities that you recommend I should try or places to visit or just general advise?

I'll be sure to contribute to the forum by writing proper reports.

Oh also some small travel questions, will there be an issue finding a taxi to pattaya at the airport at midnight 1 am or should I book ahead using an online taxi service? I assume it would take about an less than an hour to go through customs and get a sim card because the lines would be shorter during midnight.[/QUOTE]Funny as fuck. I'm headed to Tijuana for the first time in a few days and then back to Pattaya. So I'm doing the exact opposite of you. Here's some Monkeypaw advice which is as good as it gets. You will get the type of girl that chooses you. That's the final answer on that. Come here with high expectations and you will get plenty of "what the fuck was that all about" moments. If you do a proper report please include all details and perhaps a pic, if possible. And lastly, Google Cherry Taxi Bangkok. Download LINE and book with them for 1000 baht from BKK to Pattaya in private car. The taxis at the airport will want to charge you 1400-1600 at that time because you have no other choice. Don't worry Monkeypaw will be back in Pattaya mid November to get his his fuck on as well. Enjoy.

Another good session with this extravagant girl. Dental braces, spectacles, overlong artificial eye-lashes, hair dyed blond with venetian blond strands, dense tattoo from neck to waist. Used to have cheek piercings but had them removed. Looks like a hard-core plastic doll. Playful, good attitude. Not too skinny. Pussy not too tight, optimally poundable.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2243896]Better known as Soi Chiayaphoon or The Poon.[/QUOTE]Also know as Soi Pothole. IT HAS to be the worst Soi in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=XXL;2244472]Used to have cheek piercings but had them removed.[/QUOTE]They do that to get dimples. LOL.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2243896]Better known as Soi Chiayaphoon or The Poon.[/QUOTE]That would be "Chaiyaphoon" just to fix the spelling a little.

Seems that even Chaiyaphoon Apartments are designated as in Soi ChalermPhrakiat 25, so must be a very informal nick name, for Americans, since many other countries would not get the joke.

In Bangkok we could say the Wood bar, Chrome bar, Magic tables are in Soi "Eden" LOL (Sukumwit Soi 7/1), Eden being the very long time place there, but only a few would know what we refer to.

The word "Poon" probably doesn't exist in my country unless youth has inherited from USA, but obviously does not appear on American TV shown internationally to my knowledge, so its probably an inter USA joke. We don't have Trash in my country either but at least that word appears regularly on USA TV, so we become aware of it. We don't "root" for a football team either. LOL Seems to have a different meaning in USA.

[QUOTE=Atom72;2244358]OK, so it seems FS is not really going to happen in the bar anymore, sign of the times I guess. So how about establishments where they'll pull it out and give you a tug in a dark corner for a couple of lady drinks?[/QUOTE]Try La Poste on Soi Lengkee for FS in the bar.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244543]That would be "Chaiyaphoon" just to fix the spelling a little.

Seems that even Chaiyaphoon Apartments are designated as in Soi ChalermPhrakiat 25, so must be a very informal nick name, for Americans, since many other countries would not get the joke.

In Bangkok we could say the Wood bar, Chrome bar, Magic tables are in Soi "Eden" LOL (Sukumwit Soi 7/1), Eden being the very long time place there, but only a few would know what we refer to.

The word "Poon" probably doesn't exist in my country unless youth has inherited from USA, but obviously does not appear on American TV shown internationally to my knowledge, so its probably an inter USA joke. We don't have Trash in my country either but at least that word appears regularly on USA TV, so we become aware of it. We don't "root" for a football team either. LOL Seems to have a different meaning in USA.[/QUOTE]I don't know the history but more likely has something to do with my former live-ins home province in Issan of Chaiyaphum. Sounds same but spelt different.