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[QUOTE=Akibono]I saw at least 3 people approach her for sessions. However, all three were back at the lockers after 15 minutes!! [/QUOTE]
Doesn't have to mean a thing. I know some top acts who do this if they like to, but also can be great for 30, 60 or 240 minute sessions.
And some men do not look for more than a 15 minute fuck, they are not into after-sex-talk and strive to leave the room as quick as possible.
Hessen Bub
I don't doubt that as I found her friendly and easy to talk to. She was just not my type.
[QUOTE=Peter]toki,
that Anjelika you were talking to is from Omsk, and she was voted ***** of the year by the german board Roemerforum two years ago. She is known for excellent service and really getting into it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Doesn't have to mean a thing. I know some top acts who do this if they like to, but also can be great for 30, 60 or 240 minute sessions.
And some men do not look for more than a 15 minute fuck, they are not into after-sex-talk and strive to leave the room as quick as possible.
Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]
If that is what you look for, that's fine. But most people here are looking for the GFE. They want the illusion that the girl thinks they represent more than a 50E note. I think most people would want more than 15 minutes. Just providing a report for those who might want a bit more than eye candy.
Aki,
I don't want to be the guy who disagrees with you all the time. But I am not really looking for a GFE when I go the clubs. If I want a GFE, I fuck my GF. I'll be honest she probably fucks better than any girls I have fucked in a club, although she is not nearly as good in the BJ department, although she swallows.
But I am not looking for all the emotional attachment she associates with sex. I am just looking for some relaxation, and I lie that after it is over it is over. I have had a couple of girls win clubs who have gotten posessive and clingy like a GF and it really bothers me. That is why I do not understand the guys who go to Thailand or Brasil and hang out with the girl all day or night.
Maybe it is because I am young and decent looking and have no problem meeting girls, but I go to clubs for unattached pleasant fucking. If I rim a girl in a club she doesn't look at me funny thinking I expect her to rim me back. I can sport fuck every now and again, and I can also just choose to lay back and let her blow me for half an hour.
I have some other girls I go with regularly where it is more of a "friends with benefits" experience. We go to the room and just talke for a long time about everything under the sun, and then we fuck for a while and go back out. So I am not really looking for this big deal acting world. sometimes I even tell the girl, "hey it doesn't look like you have earned anything today, let's go and earn you some money"
But I am weird sometimes.
[QUOTE=Peter]Aki,
But I am not looking for all the emotional attachment she associates with sex. I am just looking for some relaxation, and I lie that after it is over it is over. I have had a couple of girls win clubs who have gotten posessive and clingy like a GF and it really bothers me. That is why I do not understand the guys who go to Thailand or Brasil and hang out with the girl all day or night.
I have some other girls I go with regularly where it is more of a "friends with benefits" experience. We go to the room and just talke for a long time about everything under the sun, and then we fuck for a while and go back out. So I am not really looking for this big deal acting world. sometimes I even tell the girl, "hey it doesn't look like you have earned anything today, let's go and earn you some money"
But I am weird sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I could not agree more. I visit these places for the exact same reason and I personally think this a healthy outlook. I have spoken with other forum members about the need to not take this "hobby" too seriously. Relax, fantasize, and have fun. To take our "relationships" with these ladies too seriously and not see them for what they really are is delusional and may create unnecessary difficulties.
Cheers,
Dedalus (Another weirdo)
Hi guys,
I (and I think most including Aki) actually use the term GFE not to imply emotional attachment, but mainly to indicate that the girl performance was more than mechanical RLD kind of sex, showed some "kindness" instead of "discust", and was able to carry out a decent and perhaps interesting conversation. Hell, it can even be nice to get some compliments, even when you know it is a part an illusion. Sometimes you also feel like chilling a little bit afterwards, get some massage or just have a smoke or a sip of drink after sex instead of just watching the girls heels as she sprints ķut of the room. It is a kind of intimacy without much emotion.
The above is what I read form Akibonos comments, but he can correct me if I'm wrong.
The best girls in my opinion are those who are able to mix up GFE/PSE (whatever you like at the time), and c'mon, it is most of the time all acting anyways, even some of the interesting conversation can be acting like the "friends with benefits", although some may be genuine. In terms of getting you back into the room, some of the girls are not stupid. Many will figure out what you want and give it to you, conversation or otherwise.
If the term is associated with the girl hanging on to you afterwards, getting posessive, I agree with Peter, I don't want that kind of GFE. I still think that is most often also an act, just a different kind of act.
IMO, FKKs are providing what most would call GFE when they compare it to other p4p in Europe. It is actually a term some will attach to a girl for barely allowing kissing.
Is'nt all a make believe world, just with different preference on the type of play and acting? Some people like the rides at Disney World while others like to chat with Mickey Mouse ;-)
Just my 2 cents on the issue,
Chivaz
I agree with all of the comments here. I think most of us feel a little uncomfortable when we visit a club and a girl we have previously seen expects us to have a session with them.
For me sex is important, but I don't like being treated like a 50E note. So, when I am processed for 15 minutes, it just feels that way. I think most people feel this way. I don't think many of us have such an attachment to any girl that we would feel jealous when she goes into the room with another customer. However, many have expressed sadness when a LT provider has left the business.
Was in Palace a few weeks ago and had sessions with Anya as well as Elena.
Elena is one of my favorite providers. She just has everything I am looking for. Fair skin, petite, pretty face, bubbly personality, and most important, she likes to kiss for a long time. I always get alot of passion from her even though she does not speak alot of English. First met her at OAse and she disappeared for quite awhile. Highly recommended.
While I was there (it was a really busy night), I did not have an opportunity to have a session with a dutch girl (I think she has been mentioned here before). She comes to Germany for a few days at a time. She is a tall, thin, blond with slightly curly long hair. Perfect breasts and very friendly. Apparently the locals know her since she had some extended sessions and several approached her to ask when she was free. So, she was booked for the entire night.
Also, had a session with a French girl (kinda surprising since this is the first I have met at a FKK). I will not post her name since I feel she would not want it known. She said she does not come often and more so for the sex than the money. I believe her since we talked for a long time and I actually had to suggest that we go to a room. Sex was passionate, but I suspect that YMMV with this one since she was quite interested in who I am instead of making the most money.
i arrived in ffm at 11:00 and the cute desk girl at the excelsior took one look at my 6 foot eight frame and gave me a nice double, even though i told her i would stay only one night and not three as i reserved. the flight was not too restuful, so i chilled in the room until around 16:00. then it was easy to walk around the corner and catch the u4, changing trains when the overhead announcement said to change for the u6 or 7. i caught a u6 and got off at industriehof, walking across the crossing and ahead through the first gap in the wall and down the block to palace. at 5 pm, the ratio was about even and there were a number of hotties about, about 20 girls total. angelique soon chatted me up, she thought she knew me from atlantis hehe. she looked a bit younger and kind of cute this day, but for me once is enough with her.
i noticed a blonde with an incredible ass and legs with frizzy long blonde hair. soon she was beside me on the couch against the wall near the bar downstairs. she draped herself on top of me comfortably and we schmoozed and smooched and petted a bit before i took her to a room. she is romanian- i'm pretty sure her name was nicolletta? facially, she looks like sarah jessica parker. the sex was okay, but she seemed a bit rushed and kept asking what do you want? anal is 100, cum on face is 50, what do you want?
i ate a delicious buffet of tender braten beef, potato gratin and salads, very good this time. i spotted on the line for food grosse diana and i think marina, other tall lithuanian godesses, the lineup steadily improved in the early evening. i went to eat and rest under the "tent" and two cute slim thai girls sat nearby, then a more plump one. after the food, jani, the plumpest one, began to carress me and massage me for nearly 45 minutes so i took her to a room after we started kissing a bit and she rubbed me hard. she was into the sex it seemed, but i did not fancy her body and so pounded her for almost 40 minutes and paid her 50 since i lost track of the time.
next, i spent some time couch potatoing near the bar watching the dancers. a guy was getting a blow job standing right at the bar from a dominican girl. this is one of my favorite spots- much action and there is an open window at the end of the couch that blows cold air just in front of the dance pole. adorable, young (just 18!) blonde little jessie of romania was putting on quite a show with her open legs, she sat on my lap and i felt her up and played for a while but i have been with her once and she is a young tease and not worth 50 euro except as an optikfick so she went along on her way. greek eleni came by, i could not remember if what i had read was good or bad so i claimed caput. i like her look though and now that i know she is good, i will go next time.
an attractive slim brunette walked by for a second time, perky b cups and a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] ass soon had me joining sarah from croatia in a room, though now we had to wait on a couch for some 15 minutes. another run of the mill session having all of the right acronyms but with little chemistry.
by now it's like 1 am and i am hungering for the real thing. marina is nowwhere to be seen. i have the last couple of pieces of beef and potato gratin- delicious, and go back to my couches for another hour of hunting. the mongers at palace do not seem as friendly as at phg, golden time, or world, when i go to palace alone i seem to remain alone unless i am with a girl. anyway, i see in my notes that i did as a fourth and final girl a romanian named ramona but i cannot for the life of me remember anything about it. jet lag kicks in?
i hung around for another hour or so. i noticed a big buxom porno blonde, is this the amazing cindy? on a final go around i saw marina, sitting by herself behind the whirlpool. as i have been with her twice before, and she did not make any move at all at recognition, i assumed she was tired or otherwise wanted to be alone and walked on by, into the locker and called it a night.
thus ended a less than stellar evening for me at palace- first time i didn't have at least one real good session there. on the wayout, a well dressed englishman was not being allowed to leave since it was claimed he owed another 100 euro to a girl and was refusing to pay it- the female attendents were keeping him inside and he wanted to call police to explain it to them.
slept well at the excelsior and did world the next three days running. more on that later.
beffen
Beffen,
Sorry you did not have such great success this time at Palace. On my last several visits there I have always been lucky and had great times, enjoyed great chemistry and sessions there. I like the Palace kino alot for hanging out in later stages of recovery.
I think just being and interacting with the slightly changing girl assemblage at Palace from day to day does help one in selecting the right ones for your sessions. But you seem to have been right on the mark by dismissing girls like the Romanian Jessie.
Just so you know: The first girl you write about, Nicolletta, was quite a well-known girl at Atlantis from 2002-2004. She was one of the earlier Atlantis sessions for me. I never resessioned with her mainly because, like you, I thought she had a great body but a mediocre performance and attitude.
Yeah, you definitely should have given Eleni a try.
Hope you give Palace another try one day...
I too, like Beffen, had a crappy time at Palace last week. I had high expectations for a good time being that it was a Friday night and having been there twice before.
The girl selection wasn't that great, mainly 6 & 7's with a couple of 8's wandering around. There was one girl that was very rude there. I don't know her name but she had blonde hair, tanned, fairly good looking but with a cross-eyed kind of look. Maybe german or east european. Does anyone know who she is? She hangs out with a fairly dark skinned good looking brown haired girl.
Anyways although there was slim pickings, I did manage one session that evening and that was with Isabelle, a petit and slim Rumanian girl. She had only been there a few weeks. The session was ok. Nice talkative girl.
I had better sessions later on that week at Cola, World and Oase.
Howie
[QUOTE=Toki Jo]Report on Palace FKK. Its a short taxi ride from the main train station, cost less than 10 euros to get there. Even the taxi had an advertising banner on its doors.
Anyone wanting a cheap and decent hotel, try the Excelsior on Manheimer Strasse near the station. Book via Hrs.de it will cost you 51 euros which includes a free minbar, free internet access, breakfast and afternoon snacks. Rooms are adequate and clean.
I can only make a comparison to Atlantis where I unfortunately got caught up in the raid a year ago. Palace is quite a big establishment, nicely presented but does not seem to have either the quality and ambience, nor the presence of Atlantis, sadly now closed down.
At reception, I was told of the prices and shown around the place and at 23:45 hrs, a hot and cold buffet was still on offer. You are given a key to two lockers, one for your clothes and another for your valuables. A plastic tag is put on your wrist and is taken off when you leave.
I had a 30 minute massage which I rated top class near the steam room.
After this, I made my way to the action arena. Probably the ratio was 2:1, so choice was not great. Only a handful I would rate at 6-7, no more. At the back of the bar is a large size jucuzzi pool and sauna.
A russian, named Angelika with short brunette/reddish hair came over and started conversation and advised the starting price was 50 euros, but would increase to 100 euros for CIM Angelika was very pleasant and mentioned about this board where she has had very good reviews in the past.
There was some couch action, especially in the video room. During the course of the evening, there was a two girl show pole dancing but both girls who were the best of the bunch that night did not seem to be making themselves available.
Later, I met another pleasant and friendly girl with massive tits from Greece who came over to try to hook up with me.
I left Palace at 3am but personally, I would try Oase and World next as many past reviews on this board advises there is more choice and better quality.[/QUOTE]
Toki Joe,
I noticed you referred to a 30 minute massage near the steam room. Was there a charge for the massage? If so, how much? I have seen massages mentioned in several other posts but never was there a mention if that is a provided service or an extra charge.
Member 2652,
Yes there is a charge for the regular massage at Palace- it is like 30 euro for 30 minutes of neck and shoulders massage, and I think 45 for 30 minutes of whole body massage with an hour costing 60 euro. Pretty much the same as at World and Oase. The hammam treatment is expensive though if I remember.
beffen 1
If you bid for a three star hotel on Frankfurt's West side on Priceline.com , you can get the Courtyard Messe for around a US$45 to US$55 bid. With taxes you come out with US$65 per night for the room.
The hotel has a free courtasy shuttle from the FRA Airport. You can call the hotel at the free call box which is located at the Hotel Shuttle Pick Up Area. The Courtyard Messe's green shuttle picks you up in about 15 minutes (depending on traffic). On departure the shuttle brings you back to the airport from the hotel at no charge too.
The hotel is great for those staying in FRA on a short layover (1 or 2 night). Keep in mind that the hotel is isolated (did not see restaurants, stores within walking distance of the hotel). Yet for a 10 Euro - less than a 10 minute taxi ride you will be at the Palace. If Palace is your only Frankfurt stop the Courtyard Messe is a good choice. You can always partake of the free meals, juices, and softdrinks available at the Palace to keep you fed during your stay.
Keep in mind that the above prices are available when there is no a trade show at the Messe. You will pay much higher in case there is an event at Messe.
[QUOTE=Member #2652]Toki Joe,
I noticed you referred to a 30 minute massage near the steam room. Was there a charge for the massage? If so, how much? I have seen massages mentioned in several other posts but never was there a mention if that is a provided service or an extra charge.[/QUOTE]
I can confirm the 30 minute partial massage (neck, back and shoulders) cost me 30 euros, but it was very professional and relaxing. I cannot remember other prices but you can opt for a 60 minute massage at a higher price.