FKK Palace - Frankfurt

Zhanshan

[QUOTE=Seize The Day] I live in the Catholic student dormitory (open to every student) just near Palace FKK, and one American student roommate promised me to let his brother help me ship that jeans and shoes I ordered on Ebay, because the Ebay seller require 40 bucks for shipping a jeans to Germany and totally free for USA inland shipping. But now, his brother has some reason that he could not help me. [/QUOTE]

I see. You were let down by the American student's brother. These things happen. You just have got to have back up plans or be willing to write off the pieces. I take it that the ebay items are still for sale or reserved for you?

Knowing more on the situation I am sorry that I am not in a position to act as a smuggler or mule for your contraband. Many including myself do not hail from that part of the world so logistically it is not going to work.

I understand that our dear and learned colleague Vito Corleone has expressed his willingness to assist in your endeavour. I am sure a favour in return is appreciated.

Have you been to Palace yet? You seem to live so close to what some men have called heaven upon Earth or Men's Disneyland.

I guess if you live so close by and know that it is there that you do not go very often or if do not feel you need to go as its always there. I mean Londoners do not go out of their way to visit Buckingham Palace or the Palace at Westminster or may not have ever been to visit there since its there and always there.

[QUOTE=Seize The Day]Thanks again for your time and help. Your comments and treatments are yardsticks for my future life, especially how you treated others when you are misunderstood by others (e. G. How basket case treated that questioning guy). Unselfishly sharing your knowledge and resource is another thing I like to show my deep respect. In this respect, I would like to say that you are the true Professor, every word from you is useful, every report help us to reach the bliss as fast as possible, it's a pity you cannot get a tenure for your hard and excellent working.[/QUOTE]

Zhanshan, thank you for your kind words. They are appreciated.

I am not sure that I am a Professor. There are people far more experienced than I am this hobby. I suppose the difference for me is that I have more opportunity to do it whereas some people have familial or other destinational or spatial commitments that keep them away.

[QUOTE=Seize The Day]PS: Another Sorry to Mr. Basketcase about my shameful vocabulary. [/QUOTE]

Do not worry. I have been criticised myself by writers here for not writing English here when so much non English is written by others so we are glad that you have taken the time and inclination to post and give your views.

Remember: It is only a game. It is meant to be fun.

Sometimes I forget that and visit too much and become over exposed. A kindly Dutch Ijsberen at Golden Time who I see just about every time I am in Golden Time who I struck up conversation with who said he read but did not write on the forums reminded me as others have that one should come to the club to enjoy the girls. Stop and give it a break if that enjoyment is not there.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]Have you been to Palace yet? You seem to live so close to what some men have called heaven upon Earth or Men's Disneyland.

I guess if you live so close by and know that it is there that you do not go very often or if do not feel you need to go as its always there. I mean Londoners do not go out of their way to visit Buckingham Palace or the Palace at Westminster or may not have ever been to visit there since its there and always there.[/QUOTE]

Do Buckingham Palace and Westminster have Kinos where you can get a toe-curlingly good BJ for 50 Euro? If so, perhaps I have misjudged the British monarchy.

** This is part of a multi-report series on my 10-day trip to Germany / FKK's. **
The main report is here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866231&postcount=3810[/url]

Stayed at Hotel Sophien (Sophienstrasse 36, 60487 Frankfurt). Very basic hotel EUR 60 incl. breakfast. 10 minutes by car to Palace. If Palace is your primary destination (which I wouldn't recommend), the hotel right next to Palace seems to be a better choice, although I don't remember the name.

My flight landed at 1030am, I was in Palace at 1:30pm.
~15 girls. They were all 7-9; almost all full-figured (i.e. not petite), just the way I like them.

Palace is a nice place. Well appointed. As previously observed on the forum, the whole setup is similar to the Rio termas. One thing I liked about this place was that the music is soft and mellow, at least during the day. If you're there to relax (other than fuck, of course) its tough to do with loud music blaring in your ears.

Charges are EUR 75 entrance, which btw is good for the whole day. If you're stepping out, ask them what you'll need to come back - they gave me a ticket that can be used to come back in. BBBJ + sex is additional EUR 50. CIM, COB and anal is another EUR 50 extra, each. All prices clearly posted in the rooms (but not at the front desk).

As I was walking around, checking out the place, I was approached by Anna, who claims to be from Italy. She is ~5'3", a little older (maybe early-mid thirties), but has a nice firm body and saggy, but good sized, tits. She asked whether we could sit down for a few minutes. I was fresh from sex prison USA and my resistance level was pretty low. Within 30 seconds of sitting down, she was giving me a public BBBJ and 2 minutes later we were in the room going at it. She was pretty decent in the sack, made the appropriate noises, offered to do different positions. Asked once if I wanted to CIM or do anal. When I answered no, she didn't persist. Score: face, body, attitude, service: 6, 7, 8, 8

After Anna, I spent half an hour in the steam room and shower. As I was resuming my tour of the place, I was approached by Ava (Eva?). Younger and better built than Anna (bigger, firmer tits and taller). Making out for about a minute, standing up in the hallway, while fondling her ass was all it took to get me back into a room. Nice attitude as well, but her technique was slightly worse (actually, I think, not well suited to me); she kept sucking a bit too hard on the head. Halfway thru the session, I realized that I wasn't going to cum, since I'm just not built to go back-to-back that quickly. So I enjoyed the blowjob. She tried hard to get me to cum (in mouth, no doubt), but it wasn't gonna happen. Score: face, body, attitude, service: 8, 8, 7, 6

Left palace at about 1600h, planned out my next few days, caught up on sleep a little bit, had dinner at a place called Adolf Wagner (Schweizerstrasse 71, 60594 Frankfurt/M; 069-612565; authentic frankfurt food and the place has a great vibe, worth checking out) and returned to Palace around 2200 hrs. There were, maybe, 40 girls and the boy girl ratio looked not too bad. But around 2230h, it took a definite turn for the worse, when a bunch of guys (including what looked like a football team) walked in. The whole dynamics of the place was very different during the peak time (i.e. at night). Girls' attitude had become markedly worse and they were not willing to spend absolutely any time making out, a big negative, as there is no opportunity for checking out the goods before paying. Even Anna and Ava from the afternoon were giving me the cold shoulder.

I spent about 2 minutes with Yana, a tall, full-figured, half persian / half german, "getting to know" each other and when I turned her down, she left cursing that all I wanted was a groping freebie. Chances of having a good experience with that one are pretty remote. After about an hour and a half, my other head started panicking with the prospect of not seeing any action for the night and I made a bad decision. Had a session with Andrea from Hungary, even though my thinking head was telling me not to do it. It ended in about 5 minutes - a classic bait and switch. She wouldn't do dfk, completely lost interest when I made it clear that I only wanted an EUR 50 service. May be you get decent service if you ARE willing to spend EUR 100? Also, I'd think your chances would be better if you're a regular (at least you know who the sharks are). Would welcome the thoughts of long-timers. Receptionist never bothered asking me, but when I told her that I had a bad experience, the only response she had was "ok". She didn't even care to know who the girl was. The afternoon receptionist, by the way, asked if I had a good time and looked like would have done something, if I had not. Overall, quality of experience was remarkably different between afternoon and night visits. I will not visit Palace again during the peak hours.

This is my report of the second day at Palace (first report: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=864796&postcount=4043[/url])

Being the second time in Palace I started to feel a bit more confident arriwing at the entrance at about 5.30pm. Now, this was the 18th of march (in the iddel of the week) and the whole place was diferent. Not a bad lineup at all but still quite empty compared to last saturday.

I took a good time checking out the girls but that didn't help a lot this evening. I was approached by a very cute girl, half German half Libanese, with a very good DFK-ing (I still have this problem with names...). We talked for a while and she really got me going out in the central room with DFK and a partial HJ. In the room she cooled down quite a bit compared to in public but a fair work. She gave me a good BBBJ for a while but got impatient as I started to enjoy it and she wanted me to cum ASAP. I got quite a good DATY with her and she didn't try to upsell at all. We fucked around in a couple of different positions and I came taking her from behind. She got her 50€ and that was it. Looks about 8 with a very nice handful of boobs. Performance was only 3-4 as she was in such a hurry.

So, even testing out the girls a bit before committing don't give the whole picture.

After a bit to eat and some sauna and a movie session, a very small and petit Thai girl (Noname but friend to Dee-Dee) came to my attention. She had small breast and was a bit too much dressed IMHO, but suck things can be fixed. Now, I've had this wish to tace a Thai girl in the ass and we talked about this a while and she sized me up quite thouroughly before deciding. I promised to take it easy on here and we went into a room.

She gave quite a good DFK, her BBBJ was a bit too soft but she sucked them balls soooo nice. She really got my engine going as we continued with a 69. Then, putting on the rubber, she lay down and greesed up her ass with a finger and lots of lubrication. What a sight! I slowly penetrated her anus and she had to put in quite a lot of lube and I had become as hard and horny as I can get. Once we had it all oiled up she took my full shaft all the way in and really gave good account of herself. We fucked like this for a good while in different positions (her on back, side and on all 4) and we both stimulated her pussy meanwhile. I had an incling of the time running out and I let myself come deep inside her ass. She DFKed me really good afterwars too but never raised any complains about going over the allotted half hour. It was a really sweet girl. Looks about 7 (if you like Thai), performance 7-8, good DFK and BBBJ. Really good anal session. A repeater! She took her 50€ and the extra of 100€ for the anal part as agreed upon.

Soo, by this time I was quite tired and ha thoughts of returning to my hotel. But I wanted to see if I could raise mote energy so I took a good long sauna session, drank a lot of orange juice and water and generally just took it easy. I was approached by quite a lot of girls including a EE copule of girls that I'm sorry I didn't have the energy for at that time. They gave me good arguments for coming with them and really tried to meka me cum out in the open, but I told them I didn't want to committ right then and it was ok. They still played a lot with me. They would have been fun to session with I think. They where both dark girls, one of them a bit shorter but both slim.

After some dessert from the kitchen I found Dee-Dee again. She came and sat in my lap and gave me her superb DFK and I was lost. We found a good room and started up with a very good BBBJ while I was standing om the floor. I don't know what she does with her mouth but she sucks them balls so very good. She took her time and we went over to a 69 position on the bed. She was a bit dry to start with but it got better and better. Whe took my shaft quite deep but as I licked her she stopped after a while and she came in a fantastic orgasm with juices flowing down my face. She tasted really good! We continued with sex in different positions including RCG and several others and it all turned out to quite an extended session. When I finally came we must have passed the full hour. She took her tie and we lay in each others arms for quite a while just kissing and talking. She seemed a bit suprised as I was paying her a 100€ (she asked for 50!) after all that time. She was worth it. Best session I've ever experienced.

With that last session in my mind I decided to leave for my hotell. And with it ended my second, and for this trip, last visit in Palace. As a summery I can say that the lineups was good both on Saturday and in the midde of the week but not comparable in numbers, the upsell was minimum, I made som bad choices and I made some really good too. Coming from Sweden this is Paradise. I'll be back but it'll probably take a while as I'm only down in Frankfurt once in a while. The food was quite good and the showers going from cold to acceptable.

Take care all of you

Jan

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i’m visiting palace for the last time. not because i’m upset with the place. i quite like it. because of my business, there is the distinct possibility i could run into someone i know walking the streets of industriehof. it’s gotten uncomfortable trying to scan the people at the u-bahn stop from 100m away for faces i know. i really shouldn’t go there for professional reason. thus i have resolved to swear off palace for good. but not before a farewell visit to palace in saturday night.

the weather was brilliant on saturday, so i expected a reduced crowd. got to palace about 4:30pm. very mellow vibe. probably only about 15-20 girls. only 1 boner killer, an older kind of homely polish woman. some initial approaches which i am able to politely rebuff. after yesterday’s encounter with a romanian [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] squad at world, i’m enjoying a much more relaxed, mellow, vibe. even though the line-up was light, i was liking the diversity. and not a romanian in sight.

i saw about 5 girls i had sessioned with in the past and had good experiences. i noticed czech lina on the prowl. i penciled her in as my closer as the combination of her looks and super blowjob would make a fitting finale. curiously, i noticed as she prowled the room, she avoided making any eye contact with me.

after about 90 minutes, turkish coco approaches me. we chat for a bit. she tells me she has been in germany from a young age and is from koeln (aren’t they all?). she asks if i have ever been to turkey. no i reply, but point out my love of turkish food. she licks her lips and says, “doener macht schoener.” my chemistry meter is getting serious mixed signals. i’m developing a nice rapport, but something inside me is screaming shark. well, little el decides he likes coco, and the first session is the one to take risks with. i ask is she is game for a session in the kino. she is.

thinks start getting weird from the start. first, she doesn’t want to sit in my corner up top. then she tries to get me to go to the room without at least initiating a bj. i stand my ground. eventually, she settles into a pretty good bj. she wants to be fingered while blowing me. she gets quite wet quite quickly. since she is responding, and things are looking up, i take her off to the room. more weirdness ensues. first, she wants to know if i want to stay for an hour. i decline and say let’s start with half an hour and see how it goes. after some more blasen, i have her get on top of me in 69 position. when i start licking her, she really starts going to town with the bj. deep, wet and soft. she understands pacing as she builds up the speed. i’m under no illusion that i’m the world’s greatest lover, but she really seems into the daty. she matches my speed and pace. if i lick her lightly, she blows me lightly. if i suck deeply on her clit, she sucks me deeply and strongly. kind of an interesting puppet game as i direct her actions by how i lick and suck her. after a while, i tell her i’d like to fuck her. she tells me she doesn’t want to as she is really enjoying this. i decide to go with the flow, as i am quite enjoying it as well. anyway, i finish in her mouth. as she gets off me, she lets my seed dribble out of her mouth onto her chin. she then says, “tasty, just like garlic sauce.” she adds, “you know that is extra, right?” worth the 100e just for the visuals and the laugh.

ok serious mixed feelings on this. her attitude left much to be desired. but the 69 and finish was top notch. the “clit puppet” action was unique and very hot. if i were to come back, i might repeat with her under the right circumstances, but probably not as i expect the girls to do what i want, when i want it, where i want it. i'm paying them after all.

between sessions, lena was still avoiding any eye contact with me. i should probably explain. for years she approached me and i always turned her down. then, after a couple of other mongers told me they had great sessions with her, i took the plunge. very enjoyable session. i didn’t repeat, not because i didn’t want to, just timing was never right. she is a closer, and when i was looking for a closer, she was never around.

a few months back, i steered bc to lena, thinking he would like her. he was shot down as she made clear she would not go with him unless her committed to a 3-some or enhanced compensation.

the russian girls, julia and vanessa are there. they are also talking to a third russian girl who i don’t know but am thinking of trying. i plant myself in the kino to relax. coco comes in and tries to interest me in a 3-some with her and a hard looking dark haired german girl with lots of tats. not interested. julia comes in, and quickly gets me all hot and bothered. she is one of my favorite kino blaslerin. anyway, since it is my final visit to palace, i am feeling like something special. i ask her if she has a freundin. she asks if i want a blond or brunette. egal, i reply, as long as she is nice. i assume she will bring in another russian girl. as luck would have it, she brings in the hard looking german girl. anyway, kind of a waste as i’m just not into her and she is nowhere near as skilled in the bj department as julia. during her turn, julia really goes to town. i’m fingering both julia and the german girl. julia is really getting quite wet, but the german girl is bone dry. when the time comes to award the ft bonus, it gets a bit weird.

i had gently ridiculed ortos for asserting that a woman had maneuvered his dick into an extra when he did not intend to award a bonus. my reasons is that if he can’t keep track of where his dick is pointing, well, i am less than sympathetic. well, i believe i owe him an apology. as i got close, julia asked if i would like to cum in mouth. i really can’t remember if she said her mouth or our mouths. anyway, you can guess what happened next. i was fully prepared to award the ft bonus to julia as she had done a nice job, but not the german as she was not particularly good. as the moment approached, julia was blowing me quite vigorously and deeply. when i exploded, after the first spurt, julia took me out of her mouth and planted my cock firmly in the german girl’s mouth. she also got out of my line of site so there could be no question i was coming in the german girl’s mouth as well. i had not intended to award them both the ft bonus, but as i thought about it, i really could not make an argument about it. 200e. ouch. ok, in fairness i intended to pay 150e. still, not happy about it.

i relax for a couple of hours, contemplating my last session. leona, a big dutch girl a sessioned with a couple of times a few years ago recognizes me and talks to me. she seemed happy i remembered her name after a couple of years. she gave a really nice deep vigorous bj as i remember. one time, she was blowing me so vigorously that her hair extensions came off. she also likes for you to finger her ass while blowing you. anyway, we talked about the messe that had just finished up. she said she didn’t like the crowd from this messe as they were mostly hippy people. i got a good laugh out of that.

i also had two thai girls approach me for a 3-some. they were tiny and super hot. here’s where it got weird. they claimed i had sessioned with them in the past. a few months ago, i did a 3-some with 2 thai girls, but i was pretty sure it was not them. i did a 3-some with pom and cindy. the lead girl had bigger tits and a different face than pom. the other girl could have been cindy, as i really didn’t focus on her as much. i tell them i am not ready, but promise to find them in an hour or so. i pencil them in as plan b in case i crash and burn with lena.

i have stalked lena and have figured out her man stalking pattern. when she enters the room, she makes a quick check of the kino. after she returns from a session, i sit at one of the tables by the kino so i can catch her quickly when she enters the room. sure enough, she enters, doesn’t make eye contact and heads right for the kino. i approach her. conversation goes something like:

el: wie geht’s?
lena: what?
el: <smiles>
lena: <turns to leave>
el: you don’t want to go with me?
lena: i went with you once. you were not pleased with me.
el: yes i was quite pleased with you. if you don’t want to go with me, that is fine.
lena: <turns and leaves>

pity, as i mentioned she is super hot and i did quite enjoy the session. it is a good thing i have a plan b.

tiny thai girls look super hot nude. the lead thai girl is wearing nothing but her shoes. most of the thai girls i have seen in the clubs are rather modest and at least wear the pussy hider skirts. the lead thai girl approaches and i let her know i am up for a 3-some with her friend. she goes and gets her friend who is showing after a session. we head into a room together. the immediately ask if i am going to pay them 100e each. i explain that i am now poor because of the finanzkrise, i am now poor and can only afford 50e. ok, how about 75e? no no. just 50e each. the girls are didi and nina, not the two girls i had sessioned with in the past, pom and cindy. interestingly enough, my resistance to the shakedown does not diminish the service in any why. super hot session. i lie on my back while one girl blows me and the other kisses me and then gets on top of me for daty. they swap places a couple of times. after a while i have nina ride me rcg while fingering her ass. didi was kissing me while i fingered her. i changed positions and girls i was fucking a couple of times. during each condom change, didi would blow me for a bit; she was quite good at it. when i was fucking didi mish, nina would have her hands on didi’s tits leaning forward to kiss me. they would also finger each other during sex, so that was quite hot. since they were both thai, tiny and hot, it was a little like a fantasy of fucking to sisters who are into each other. anyway, no matter how hot they were, i was not going to cum from fucking with a condom off. i asked didi to blow me to the end. i also told her i wanted to cum only in her mouth as i only had a total of 150e. didi did a magnificent job of finishing me while i liked nina’s pussy and looked into her eyes. we relaxed and they massaged me the remainder of my half hour. didi implored me to return tomorrow, telling me “i give you tip top blow job”.

i went to pay them and i had exactly 150e left. i had forgotten exactly how much i had left. a good end to my last palace visit. the visit was kind of a paradox. each session had its bad points, but also good points. funny about the complaints of persistent approaches as it was quite relaxed and nowhere near as frequent or intense as with the romanian [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] squad at world. a fitting finale to my palace visits as it was both quite spectacular (clit puppet action with coco, 3-somewiththai cuties) and somewhat bad as well (coco’s general bitchiness in the kino/room and the ft cock hijacking with the german girl). farewell palace ladies, despite what your detractors say, i will miss you.

[quote=ekliges lauern]i’m visiting palace for the last time.... thus i have resolved to swear off palace for good. but not before a farewell visit to palace in saturday night...

i had forgotten exactly how much i had left. a good end to my last palace visit. the visit was kind of a paradox. each session had its bad points, but also good points. funny about the complaints of persistent approaches as it was quite relaxed and nowhere near as frequent or intense as with the romanian [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] squad at world. a fitting finale to my palace visits as it was both quite spectacular (clit puppet action with coco, 3-somewiththai cuties) and somewhat bad as well (coco’s general bitchiness in the kino/room and the ft cock hijacking with the german girl). farewell palace ladies, despite what your detractors say, i will miss you.[/quote]

excellent post sir. i found a lot of interesting info in both this post and your other post on the oase thread.

but i think this last paragraph is particularly interesting. you forgot exactly how much you had left. that means that for the time you were there you were completely immersed in the experience. and is that not what it is all about? a little fantasy time to forget the other mundane affairs? good on you. we have to step back sometimes, stop analyzing and comparing and not take it all so seriously, have fun and find the enjoyment in the moment. we, the individual, define what the experience was. if i say it was good for me, then it was good. it is what we say it is, and as long as we enjoy ourselves, who cares what others may think! thank you for the reminder. i only hope i can do the same on my pending visit.

[QUOTE=Swedish Jan]
After some dessert from the kitchen I found Dee-Dee again. She came and sat in my lap and gave me her superb DFK and I was lost. We found a good room and started up with a very good BBBJ while I was standing om the floor. I don't know what she does with her mouth but she sucks them balls so very good. She took her time and we went over to a 69 position on the bed. She was a bit dry to start with but it got better and better. Whe took my shaft quite deep but as I licked her she stopped after a while and she came in a fantastic orgasm with juices flowing down my face. She tasted really good! We continued with sex in different positions including RCG and several others and it all turned out to quite an extended session. When I finally came we must have passed the full hour. She took her tie and we lay in each others arms for quite a while just kissing and talking. She seemed a bit suprised as I was paying her a 100€ (she asked for 50!) after all that time. She was worth it. Best session I've ever experienced.
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Didi(Deedee) seems to be a very fast learner. When she was quite new to Palace (recently) and getting not much business, she asked me to help train her up.

I explained the Brazialian style of kissing with very wide open mouth and giving the whole tongue (like Kimi for example). Also showed her that a BBBJ was better if she went really slow.
But I found her to be so good so quickly, that I was feeling that I might have been fooled into thinking she had not much experience.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Didi(Deedee) seems to be a very fast learner. When she was quite new to Palace (recently) and getting not much business, she asked me to help train her up.

I explained the Brazialian style of kissing with very wide open mouth and giving the whole tongue (like Kimi for example). Also showed her that a BBBJ was better if she went really slow.
But I found her to be so good so quickly, that I was feeling that I might have been fooled into thinking she had not much experience.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for training Didi so well. We need all the well-trained workers we can have. Hopefully though she will not follow the alledged lead of Kimi (Kimmi) who Ozzy Ozzman recently reported as now charging for DFK (03-19-2009).

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Didi (Deedee) seems to be a very fast learner. When she was quite new to Palace (recently) and getting not much business, she asked me to help train her up.

I explained the Brazialian style of kissing with very wide open mouth and giving the whole tongue (like Kimi for example). Also showed her that a BBBJ was better if she went really slow.

But I found her to be so good so quickly, that I was feeling that I might have been fooled into thinking she had not much experience.[/QUOTE]Well, if you're the one to "blame" I can only say you did a fantastic job of it. Both the BBBJ and the DFK. She took her time and was really great. If I remember it right she told me she was about 6 months old at Palace.

Jan

I love to kiss while having sex. But isn't Deep French Kissing (DFK) supposed to be included in the EUR 50 fee? I have read different reports on this at the Palace.

Is it officially included in the EUR 50, for instance written on some kind of menu at the club?

Even though I love kissing, I don't think it's worth paying double the amount for it.

What are your takes on this? Probably best to tell the girl straight away that you demand DFK to be included, or else no deal.

[QUOTE=Stakeout]I love to kiss while having sex. But isn't Deep French Kissing (DFK) supposed to be included in the EUR 50 fee? I have read different reports on this at the Palace.

Is it officially included in the EUR 50, for instance written on some kind of menu at the club?

Even though I love kissing, I don't think it's worth paying double the amount for it.

What are your takes on this? Probably best to tell the girl straight away that you demand DFK to be included, or else no deal.[/QUOTE]

Judging by your last sentence, I would say you seem to have figured it out by yourself. Some girls will DFK, some won't. Definitely let your desire for DFK to be known to your potential session partners. If they tell you they don't kiss, show your disappointment and let them know you would definitely consider session with them if they did kiss. If a girl tells you to pay extra for kissing: Tell her to fuck off! She is a definite shark/rip-off. Don't waste your time or money.

Know this: Over the past couple of years, DFK at Palace has become harder to find as an automatic part of the session. It absolutely does exist amongst many girls there, but in my experience you are more likely to find girls who avoid DFK at both Palace and Artemis. You are probably better off going to Oase or World, where DFK is absolutely the norm and quite prevelant amongst the population of working girls...

Ortos

[QUOTE=Ortos]Judging by your last sentence, I would say you seem to have figured it out by yourself. Some girls will DFK, some won't. Definitely let your desire for DFK to be known to your potential session partners. If they tell you they don't kiss, show your disappointment and let them know you would definitely consider session with them if they did kiss. If a girl tells you to pay extra for kissing: Tell her to fuck off! She is a definite shark/rip-off. Don't waste your time or money.

Know this: Over the past couple of years, DFK at Palace has become harder to find as an automatic part of the session. It absolutely does exist amongst many girls there, but in my experience you are more likely to find girls who avoid DFK at both Palace and Artemis. You are probably better off going to Oase or World, where DFK is absolutely the norm and quite prevelant amongst the population of working girls...

Ortos[/QUOTE]

My only quibble is I don't condone telling a woman to "fuck off" no matter what the circumstances. A simple "thanks, I'm not interested" will get the same message across that she lost business by trying to scam you. Also, other women will notice you behaving aggressively and will not like it. In their eyes, doesn't matter whether you are right or wrong, they will simply think you are a jerk. This is not to say you should not refuse to pay if a woman tries to extract enhanced compensation following a session, time banditry, false extras, etc. It can be done without being ruse.

My only quibble is I don't condone telling a woman to "fuck off" no matter what the circumstances. A simple "thanks, I'm not interested" will get the same message across that she lost business by trying to scam you. Also, other women will notice you behaving aggressively and will not like it. In their eyes, doesn't matter whether you are right or wrong, they will simply think you are a jerk. This is not to say you should not refuse to pay if a woman tries to extract enhanced compensation following a session, time banditry, false extras, etc. It can be done without being ruse.

I don`t agree, Ortos is right by saying fuck off, you send a signal to the girls : you cannot scam me, and the other girls see : here is a man with charachter who can`t be fooled.

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Know this: Over the past couple of years, DFK at Palace has become harder to find as an automatic part of the session. It absolutely does exist amongst many girls there, but in my experience you are more likely to find girls who avoid DFK at both Palace and Artemis. You are probably better off going to Oase or World, where DFK is absolutely the norm and quite prevelant amongst the population of working girls...

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Plenty of reports have been posted naming girls who will normally DFK well without any hassles. So its good to have a list of reliable girls, so that when you meet one of them, you can give her immediate consideration if she meets your spec.
I know I have named quite a few of the very good relaible performers. Most of those are in the slim class because thats what I go for.

e.g. Bee, Kimmi (Brazil), Daniella, Deedee, Nicholetta, etc.

YMMV but these are very relaible girls I think. and plenty of others have been named by other guys whose spec is a bigger build of girl.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]My only quibble is I don't condone telling a woman to "fuck off" no matter what the circumstances. A simple "thanks, I'm not interested" will get the same message across that she lost business by trying to scam you. Also, other women will notice you behaving aggressively and will not like it. In their eyes, doesn't matter whether you are right or wrong, they will simply think you are a jerk. This is not to say you should not refuse to pay if a woman tries to extract enhanced compensation following a session, time banditry, false extras, etc. It can be done without being ruse.[/QUOTE]

It absolutely depends on how (i.e. in what manner and with what tone inflection) you say "fuck off." Clearly one should not be overly rude or agressive, but if you smile at them, or just waive your hand and say "Fuck off" like you would say: "Go fly a kite!" or "Get out of town" etc., then it is not that big a deal. If they are Turkish or Bulgarian, it is always nice to establish that you know the score by saying: "Ah sic teer, curva!" always with a smile on your face and a wink in your eye...Get it?

Ortos