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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543513]For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.
Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.[/QUOTE]Notice how they harp on long term effects of the vaccine which is basically just part of the virus but pay no attention to the long term effects of the active virus and the disease process itself? Selective memory I guess.
Anyway, none of the data shows a 1.6% occurrence of "serious" side effects or anything of the sort due to any of the vaccines. Pfizer data shows that "serious" adverse side effects (which they actually define what is meant by "serious") showed an incidence of 0. 6% with the background incidence of non-vaccinated group showing 0. 5%. Not exactly groundbreaking.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html[/URL]
For AZ, the most serious [B]possible[/B] side effect discovered thus far (CSVT) showed an incidence of 30 cases in over 20 million+ shots given. That's an incidence rate of 1. 5 per million, still lower than the 4 per million observed in background CSVT incidence.
Also, let's not ignore the most serious "side effect". Case fatality rate for SarsCov2 remains over 2% in Europe and Worldwide. Death from virus is still more likely than this random 1.6% incidence of "serious" side effects he grabbed from this air.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..426&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Case+fatality+rate&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=OWID_WRL~Europe~USA[/URL]
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543513]For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.
Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to add another 2% for another side effect, 2% died.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2543546]The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.
Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please![/QUOTE]For sure I will never take the AZ, or the Pfister and Moderna. I trust 0 in all those politicians and phamaticals why in the contracts with the EU they have ask not to be responsible for any side effects. I advice all the people to do the same it is the responsibility of the leaders to make us believe in them, today there is 0 trust. Ok many companies will bankruptcies and people get unemployed and than is that really my problem?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2543546]The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.
Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please![/QUOTE]Funny I just checked the ANSM website (Agence Nationale de Securite du Medicament, french agency).
[URL]https://ansm.sante.fr/uploads/2021/03/19/20210319-covid-19-vaccins-astrazeneca-rapport-5-2.pdf[/URL]
They report 1 041 526 AZ first injections, 4 184 cases of side effects since the beginning of the AZ vaccination campaign. 66% of those side effects occurred the day of the injection.
Among those cases, 2975 are mild, 1209 are severe.
Among the severe cases: 3 deaths, 7 persons in danger of dying, 31 hospitalized persons, 40 invalid or unable (can't find a good way to translate it), 1129 medically significative (actually the sum is 1210 but maybe they have some problems with maths).
So for me that makes 1 209/1 041 526 x 100=0,12 % of severe side effects among the injected persons (0,29% of mild side effects). Maybe Astra Zeneca mixes well with camembert or French baguette, but that's not exactly the same figures as yours. Probably because your figures come from your secret network of vigilantes who know better than everyone else. Or because every French agency is corrupted by the evil Big Pharma (and probably Bill Gates, the Deep State, George Soros).
Could we have the source of your accurate data please?
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[QUOTE=Abox79;2543348]Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.[/QUOTE]French government asked our medicals and other French to vaccine with cheap and easy AZ, even restrictions for AZ and I m surprised allowed until 75 , when I think it was not tested on older than 65 . But many medicals in France and Germany don't seem to trust AZ, like many Russians don't trust sputnik. Wait for Jonhson to be produced in EU.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543613]For sure I will never take the AZ, or the Pfister and Moderna. I trust 0 in all those politicians and phamaticals why in the contracts with the EU they have ask not to be responsible for any side effects. I advice all the people to do the same it is the responsibility of the leaders to make us believe in them, today there is 0 trust. Ok many companies will bankruptcies and people get unemployed and than is that really my problem?[/QUOTE]I thought You would run for Chinese vaccine, when we all know about Chinese reliability. When I read about more than 3000 deaths daily in Brazil under crazy Bolzonaro, when US got read of crazy Trump and new Biden is making quite good job to try to save US citizens lives. Of course after vaccine, he will have to fight versus war weapons, when no more Pawnies, all killed long ago. When EU should have soon 55 factories producing 300 millions doses, when I see German decision, Italy, France, under UK mutant, wish all those who need and want to get vaccined, for less deaths and when some are sick for long time or handicaped after covid. No Qanon thinking vaccine could be used to track, for me. EU is different than China or Russia, fortunately, even I love Russia, but not ex KGB Putin, sometimes arguing about him with my Russian girls, real ones, not those in FKK who are not able to speak Russian.
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As I said already, most countries are giving out fake numbers. Side effects are not counted, and a lot is being covered up. So always take the worst numbers as facts.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2543585]Notice how they harp on long term effects of the vaccine which is basically just part of the virus but pay no attention to the long term effects of the active virus and the disease process itself? Selective memory I guess.
Anyway, none of the data shows a 1.6% occurrence of "serious" side effects or anything of the sort due to any of the vaccines. Pfizer data shows that "serious" adverse side effects (which they actually define what is meant by "serious") showed an incidence of 0. 6% with the background incidence of non-vaccinated group showing 0. 5%. Not exactly groundbreaking.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html[/URL]
For AZ, the most serious [B]possible[/B] side effect discovered thus far (CSVT) showed an incidence of 30 cases in over 20 million+ shots given. That's an incidence rate of 1. 5 per million, still lower than the 4 per million observed in background CSVT incidence.
Also, let's not ignore the most serious "side effect". Case fatality rate for SarsCov2 remains over 2% in Europe and Worldwide. Death from virus is still more likely than this random 1.6% incidence of "serious" side effects he grabbed from this air.[/QUOTE]Famous last words.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543624]Funny[/QUOTE]I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.
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I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2543799]As I said already, most countries are giving out fake numbers. Side effects are not counted, and a lot is being covered up. So always take the worst numbers as facts.[/QUOTE]
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So, no sources?
I have another interesting number for you:
100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:
A. are bored at work or unemployed.
B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).
See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.
D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.
In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2543903]I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.[/QUOTE]Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2543791]I thought You would run for Chinese vaccine, when we all know about Chinese reliability. When I read about more than 3000 deaths daily in Brazil under crazy Bolzonaro, when US got read of crazy Trump and new Biden is making quite good job to try to save US citizens lives. Of course after vaccine, he will have to fight versus war weapons, when no more Pawnies, all killed long ago. When EU should have soon 55 factories producing 300 millions doses, when I see German decision, Italy, France, under UK mutant, wish all those who need and want to get vaccined, for less deaths and when some are sick for long time or handicaped after covid. No Qanon thinking vaccine could be used to track, for me. EU is different than China or Russia, fortunately, even I love Russia, but not ex KGB Putin, sometimes arguing about him with my Russian girls, real ones, not those in FKK who are not able to speak Russian.[/QUOTE]Belgium again under strict lockdown, closing schools, under UK mutant. In some parts of France, 90% of cases are UK mutant. Really killing our continent.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2543930]Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.[/QUOTE]They have bots to do these things.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2543871]I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.[/QUOTE]Yes you're right, most people have brainwashed now a days.
