Chat Rooms & Pen Pals

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1167031]. . . . . . . . In the provinces girls are queuing up to work at Chinese owned supermarkets fro 125P a day (way below minimum wage). In this context 1000P for a couple of hours seems to me too generous.[/QUOTE]With all due respect Greg I think equating the working at any sort of menial task (including Chinese Supermarkets) with giving their bodies up to unknown foreigners to use and discard is not "fair".

I think it is noble of anyone to give a girl at least 1000 php for doing the deed. I have never given less than 1000 php for any girl with whom I have shagged. Surely they are entitled to some reward, especially when they do not enjoy the sex work but feel they have no other choice.

Now this is only my humble opinion.

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie; 1167085]What is a goodway to offer them money? Do just use code words like Gifts or Shopping? Or do just state the price you will pay and then let the girl take it from there.

Is there an easy way to spot the students who need cash? [/QUOTE]No it takes time. We call it fishing, trow out the lines and wait for a bite, look it in the eye, decide if you want to keep,

Wow, I really have mixed feelings about this.

I've heard Filipinos disparage girls saying that P4P is easy money, and I couldn't disagree more. It has to be hard work, both physically and emotionally.

But Greg London certainly has a point. In some locations. 1k is way too much, especially if you've gotten poor service.

And things get really complicated with the online gals who have such varied agendas.

X.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1167092]With all due respect Greg I think equating the working at any sort of menial task (including Chinese Supermarkets) with giving their bodies up to unknown foreigners to use and discard is not "fair".

I think it is noble of anyone to give a girl at least 1000 php for doing the deed. I have never given less than 1000 php for any girl with whom I have shagged. Surely they are entitled to some reward, especially when they do not enjoy the sex work but feel they have no other choice.

Now this is only my humble opinion. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1167092]With all due respect Greg I think equating the working at any sort of menial task (including Chinese Supermarkets) with giving their bodies up to unknown foreigners to use and discard is not "fair".

I think it is noble of anyone to give a girl at least 1000 php for doing the deed. I have never given less than 1000 php for any girl with whom I have shagged. Surely they are entitled to some reward, especially when they do not enjoy the sex work but feel they have no other choice.

Now this is only my humble opinion. [/QUOTE]Not surprising I guess, but I agree with RK. This is a country in which almost half the population lives on less than $2 a day, and the economic system, such as it is, provides so few jobs that any opening attracts dozens, if not hundreds of applicants. Is this a reason to bargain with sex workers so ensure that you pay the lowest possible cost, and in so doing help ensure that she can't possibly achieve even a slightly higher standard of living? It's astounding to me that guys will pay a couple of thousand dollars to come and stay here for a while, and then worry about paying a woman about $22 for sex. Does anyone who comes here really need the $5 or so difference between equitable and despicable that badly? If so, my advice would be to stay home and wait until you can afford to treat these women as human beings and not as low-cost sperm receptacles eagerly awaiting whatever pittance you can throw their way.

GE

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1167092]With all due respect Greg I think equating the working at any sort of menial task (including Chinese Supermarkets) with giving their bodies up to unknown foreigners to use and discard is not "fair".

I think it is noble of anyone to give a girl at least 1000 php for doing the deed. I have never given less than 1000 php for any girl with whom I have shagged. Surely they are entitled to some reward, especially when they do not enjoy the sex work but feel they have no other choice.

Now this is only my humble opinion. [/QUOTE]I'm a bit different. Not so noble. Its a service, nothing more. If the girl is not into me as a true lover, then its fair to equate what she's doing with any task, menial or not.

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1167031]It has become increasingly difficult to get decent quality girls in say Cebu interested in 500P for short time unless one puts alot of effort into it. I don't think its wise to encourage this level of inflation in the provinces where the girl's options are much more limited. I don't see why one needs to jump from 500P to 1000P what happened to 600P or 700P. In the provinces girls are queuing up to work at Chinese owned supermarkets fro 125P a day (way below minimum wage). In this context 1000P for a couple of hours seems to me too generous.[/QUOTE]Concur. But also wondering if we should be upping the minimum. Just thinking out loud.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1167120]Not surprising I guess, but I agree with RK. This is a country in which almost half the population lives on less than $2 a day, and the economic system, such as it is, provides so few jobs that any opening attracts dozens, if not hundreds of applicants. Is this a reason to bargain with sex workers so ensure that you pay the lowest possible cost, and in so doing help ensure that she can't possibly achieve even a slightly higher standard of living? It's astounding to me that guys will pay a couple of thousand dollars to come and stay here for a while, and then worry about paying a woman about $22 for sex. Does anyone who comes here really need the $5 or so difference between equitable and despicable that badly? If so, my advice would be to stay home and wait until you can afford to treat these women as human beings and not as low-cost sperm receptacles eagerly awaiting whatever pittance you can throw their way.

GE[/QUOTE]Disagree a bit. A kid on the street shines my shoes in phils for p50. That's the going rate. GE, by analogy, you are saying that because I am rich (not just by their standards, but our standard also) , I should give him 100, just to be noble? I'm not falling for that. Also the difference between $11 and $22 is considerable, as I have many many fun instances, often with more than one gal.

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1167031]I don't see why one needs to jump from 500P to 1000P what happened to 600P or 700P. In the provinces girls are queuing up to work at Chinese owned supermarkets fro 125P a day (way below minimum wage). In this context 1000P for a couple of hours seems to me too generous.[/QUOTE]GL.

For me there has been no inflation since I have always paid 1000 (at least the vast majority of the time anyway). I am happy with this amount, the girls are happy and it does not IMHO increase a girl's general expectation that everyone will pay the same. I have no problem with guys who pay less or indeed guys who pay more, it is a personal choice that we each make. Anyway I had a sneaking suspicion my original post might regenerate this age old discussion, which never seems to be reconcilled in favour of either camp. So long as we all treat the girls with respect, I think it is immaterial and inconsequential what we pay in financial terms, as individuals.

[QUOTE=Mortman; 1166472]Barba.

Many of the bars in CDO will try to rip you off with high prices but you can find cheaper bars. It also seems like a lot of the more commercial bars are operating a cartel, since I found most of them charged the same rate, which as I recollect was 3500 for take out.[/QUOTE]I could sense that there was variable prices since some of the girls would look clueless or quote me "2000, no I mean 3000. Babbelbabbelbabbel with some other bar girl. It is 3500". Or just ask the mamasan.

Thanks a lot for the advice. If I ever do get back, I will work less and walk more.

B

Even if some mongers pay ridiculous prices it will possible for others to get the same girls for half that amount. The fact is that these girls are dealing in a commodity that has an ever increasing supply that far exceeds demand. If a girl holds out for much higher than the local going rate there will be competitors ready to take her place in a matter of minutes. Bars in remote areas that quote high prices to foreigners are using a dual pricing system based on nationality.

Met this girl several years ago on Yahoo Messenger. Started off as routine chat until one day I got bored and told her I wanted to see her naked. She got mad, but a few days later send a pic sans clothes. Since then there has been regular chat sessions where I get her to do a strip-tease on cam, then have her lie down in bed and then she fingers herself until happy. She likes to take digital pics of herself also, I must have put her in 50 poses by now. Can't show her face, cause she may be a nurse near you very soon.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1167175]Disagree a bit. A kid on the street shines my shoes in phils for p50. That's the going rate. GE, by analogy, you are saying that because I am rich (not just by their standards, but our standard also) , I should give him 100, just to be noble? . . . . . . .[/QUOTE]I cannot speak for GE but if it was me and if I like the kid and his attitude; if he does a good job and he shows a sense of "get up and go" or true entrepreneurial spirit then I will have no hesitation in giving him 100 php (50 php for the task and a tip for his endeavour).

My haircut costs 200 php, and I always tip my cutter 50 php. I have been doing it for 10 years (same person) and the market has remained stable.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1167175]I'm a bit different. Not so noble. Its a service, nothing more. If the girl is not into me as a true lover, then its fair to equate what she's doing with any task, menial or not.

Concur. But also wondering if we should be upping the minimum. Just thinking out loud.

Disagree a bit. A kid on the street shines my shoes in phils for p50. That's the going rate. GE, by analogy, you are saying that because I am rich (not just by their standards, but our standard also) , I should give him 100, just to be noble? I'm not falling for that. Also the difference between $11 and $22 is considerable, as I have many many fun instances, often with more than one gal. [/QUOTE]No. I'm saying that if the going rate if Php50, then you shouldn't try to bargain the kid down to Php25 just because business is slow, some money is better than no money, and the kid will probably have to take it. I'm saying that if a girl quotes you Php1, 000, then that's her rate; you have the option of accepting it or walking away to look for a less expensive provider. I'm against "screwing" people (in the figurative sense) just because you're rich and because you can. I'm for being as fair and equitable as possible without being taken advantage of, and that's all I meant to say.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1167376]No. I'm saying that if the going rate if Php50, then you shouldn't try to bargain the kid down to Php25 just because business is slow, some money is better than no money, and the kid will probably have to take it. I'm saying that if a girl quotes you Php1, 000, then that's her rate; you have the option of accepting it or walking away to look for a less expensive provider. I'm against "screwing" people (in the figurative sense) just because you're rich and because you can. I'm for being as fair and equitable as possible without being taken advantage of, and that's all I meant to say.

GE[/QUOTE]Assume the p50 for the shoe-shine is the kano amount. The boy charges locals p25. I'm not shafting him by giving him p50.

I'm saying, when she says 1000, she's starting high, intending to dicker. If I respond with 300, and she then drops her price (any little bit) , she was not serious about the 1000 (in fact, she's trying to rip you off). There is a price, in her head, that she will settle for. That's the price I want. This isn't 'screwing' anyone. If she's willing to go for 500, then why did she say 1000? That would be her attempt at 'screwing' me?

If you buy a car at a dealership, you don't pay the asking price (say, $20k). The salesman, before hitting the car lot this morning, already knows the dealer's bottom line (say, $17k). From the dealer's $20K, you counter with 15k. You and the salesman end up somewhere closer to $17K and a deal is struck. By asking for $20k up front, the dealer is attempting to 'screw' you, yes? I don't want the dealer to have to take $16, 900. On the other hand, I don't want him walking off with $18k (who's money is it?) , either.

Most girls will go for much less (about half) than what they initially ask for. The difference between what she will go for and what she originally asked for is a 'scam' amount. Remember, she will ask local pinoy for much less than she asks from you.

I think this debate is probably endless and I guess largely pointless since no resolution is possible. I'll continue to act as I do since I think it's right for me, and others of course are free to do what feels right to them. If I have to dicker over price for these services then I'd rather not bother, and instead would just walk away. Haggling over sexual service is not, for me that same as buying a car, since I don't really care how the salesman treats me once we've made a deal. Also in the case of a car, we're arguing over hundreds or maybe thousands of dollars and not petty cash.

This is the last post I'm going to write on the subject since it's clear there are as many opinions as there are guys out there.

GE.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1167406]Assume the p50 for the shoe-shine is the kano amount. The boy charges locals p25. I'm not shafting him by giving him p50.

I'm saying, when she says 1000, she's starting high, intending to dicker. If I respond with 300, and she then drops her price (any little bit) , she was not serious about the 1000 (in fact, she's trying to rip you off). There is a price, in her head, that she will settle for. That's the price I want. This isn't 'screwing' anyone. If she's willing to go for 500, then why did she say 1000? That would be her attempt at 'screwing' me?

If you buy a car at a dealership, you don't pay the asking price (say, $20k). The salesman, before hitting the car lot this morning, already knows the dealer's bottom line (say, $17k). From the dealer's $20K, you counter with 15k. You and the salesman end up somewhere closer to $17K and a deal is struck. By asking for $20k up front, the dealer is attempting to 'screw' you, yes? I don't want the dealer to have to take $16, 900. On the other hand, I don't want him walking off with $18k (who's money is it?) , either.

Most girls will go for much less (about half) than what they initially ask for. The difference between what she will go for and what she originally asked for is a 'scam' amount. Remember, she will ask local pinoy for much less than she asks from you. [/QUOTE]

There is something weird about this discussion on prices.

Some or most of the participants in this discussion seem to think that they are being ripped off in some way if the price can be bargained down.

This is just not the case.

This is a country where almost every price is subject to negotiation. You are expected to haggle for most things. When my gf is with me, she bargains fro almost everything. And usually she will get at least 25% less.

The normal procedure, with foreigners, is that the vendor knows the real price. Say 60 pesos.

His opening price is double that. Now 120 pesos.

I counter by offering one third, reminding him that my children will starve if I pay his price.

He will reduce his price, maybe to 100. I will increase to 65, and so we will work toward the final price. We both know that the price is 60.

If I get him to 60, he will respect me. And sometimes vendors will shake my hand and congratulate me.

If you do not bargain, or you do not make a fair fist of it, he will look on you with distain.

But it is important that he saves face, so you must move the price so that he gets the last say.

And the girls are in the same situation.

The bar prices are fixed. And the barfine price is fixed. But if you are bargaining for a fl, then you should be prepared to bargain.

Of course, the girl will not have the same skills, nor the gall of the street vendor, so often she will not ask for double. So it is important that you have some knowledge of what the local prices are before you begin the purchasing process.

G

Most of the girls I see are DIA girls and I have never met one yet (unless she is a pro) ask me for money. The vast majority never ask and if you ask them how much they want, they will often reply "up to you"

Therefore as far as I am concerned there is no bargaining, no rip offs and no overpayment, I pay them what I feel is appropriate, which as you can see from my post that provoked all this discussion is 1000 long or short time, whether Cebu or a provincial girl from Mindanao.

As GE pointed out, this is a discussion that can never reach a natural conclusion because we all pay what we think is appropriate. I will stick to what amount I think is best is best for me and without intending to flame anyone here, nothing you can say will ever change my mind.